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Speaker 1: Welcome to Daily Variety, your daily dose of news and

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Speaker 1: analysis for entertainment industry insiders. It's Wednesday, September three, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. I'm your host, Cynthia Littleton. I am co

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of Variety alongside Ramin Setuda. I'm in

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Speaker 1: the world covering the business entertainment. In today's episode, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk with Variety Chief correspondent Daniel Diderio about his cover

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Speaker 1: story on Channing Tatum and director Derek c and France

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Speaker 1: and their new movie Roofman. Variety's cheeky cover line for

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Speaker 1: this is I don't want to grow up, and Dan

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Speaker 1: only Elsa Caslasi, Variety's international editor, on what was happening

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Speaker 1: at a busy and buzzy Venice Film Festival. But before

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Speaker 1: to conversations with Variety journalists about news and trends in

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Speaker 1: show business. Dan Didario joins me to talk about a

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Speaker 1: movie that tells the story of a modern day crime

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Speaker 1: that is emblematic of our times. Before we hear from Dan,

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Speaker 1: let's hear a clip from Varieties cover story video. Here,

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Speaker 1: Channing Tatum and Derek san Franz explain how they forged

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Speaker 1: a working partnership on roof Man, the Dark comedy from

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Speaker 2: I didn't really know what to expect about because I've

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Speaker 2: seen his other movies, and I talked to Bradley Cooper

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Speaker 2: But it again like when you think it's done, you're

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Speaker 2: I think we've done everything. I don't have any more ideas.

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Speaker 2: We've only gotten halfway there. And because you were just

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Speaker 2: a relentless digger.

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Speaker 3: If you're making a film, there's no greater ally than

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Speaker 3: Channing For a filmmaker. When you're making a movie, you

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Speaker 3: need someone to believe in your delusion as much as

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Speaker 4: Me, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: You are our ace cover story writer. You are so

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Speaker 1: good at getting people to open up and talk about

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Speaker 1: their craft and their lives, and you certainly did not

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Speaker 1: Film Festival about one of the falls most intriguing new films,

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Speaker 1: roof Man. Tell me where you found the star, Channing

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Speaker 1: Tatum and director Derek san France in their lives and

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Speaker 1: in their careers. As you all sat down to tell

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Speaker 4: Interesting story to report because Channing Tatum I think of

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Speaker 4: as the guy from Magic Micro twenty one, Jump Street, Fun,

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Speaker 4: since then. Those movies were almost fifteen years ago, and

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Speaker 4: at forty five, he is extremely reflective about the kind

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Speaker 4: Not acknowledge the passage of time is a fool's errand

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Speaker 1: Truth really is stranger than fixed. This is about a

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a really moving and compelling element

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Speaker 1: What was it like on the leado this year? Hi,

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Speaker 1: it was also very clear that Gaza was a big

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Speaker 5: So there was actually a protest in Venice that was

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Speaker 1: And climate change is definitely bearing down on the festival.

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Speaker 5: The funny thing is, although the two years were so different,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the movies that impressed.

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Speaker 5: You now, I would say the first one is Yogostantemus

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Speaker 1: Let me conclude by asking you, Julia Roberts after the Hunt.

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Speaker 5: I'm headed to Doville, actually, the Doville American Film Festival.

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