WEBVTT - 1146 | MLB Trade Deadline Mock Trades With ESPN's Paul Hembekides 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:17.520 The Times record. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:33.159 Bring we will sue you. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:33.880 To thank Tom's the Gunner. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.280 Welcome Flaming hang Out. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.440 Welcome to the Just Baseball Show. It is Thursday, July 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.839 twenty third. That's arm Late and that's Paul Hem the 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.960 Ketis and I am Peter Raffle and today a mock 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:55.400 trade episode. On yesterday's show, arm Jack and Fink, they 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.600 did a deadline prime or bring it up? Really the 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.960 top fifty potential deadline movie again at this deadline. But 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.600 here Hembo and I we ranked ten stars that we 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.160 think are likely going to get traded, and both of 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.240 us have a mock trade and we're gonna throw it 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.640 over to Arum and he's going to decide who's got 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.960 the best one. And it's all brought to you by 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.920 bet MGM. Did your home run bet come up short? 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.200 Thanks to this MLB no Sweat home run token, you 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.400 don't have to worry if your bet didn't clear the fences. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.480 Just activate your token when you bet on any player 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.240 to hit a home run in any MLB game, and 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.080 if that player fails to go yard, you'll get your 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.319 stake back in bonus bets. Remember to use code just 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.800 Baseball on bet MGM, because again, if your first pick loses, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.040 you get it all back at bonus bets up to 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.400 fifteen hundred bucks. Hembo, you and I have been texting 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.920 all morning, all yesterday, and really over the past week 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.600 because we cannot be more excited for this episode. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.960 Yeah, that's right. My wife is currently away on assignment 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.320 for work, so I've got three girls under the age 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.880 of four for like five days. I have spent an 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.520 irresponsible amount of time preparing for this, considering the responsibilities 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:09.840 that I have at home. But the only thing that 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.200 matters is that we win here. I mean, I'm not 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.919 looking to compete. I'm not going to win. An arbiter 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.240 arm over there who's looking like just so to my 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.000 ore in the mid nineties, is gonna take that job. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.200 Really seriously, I can assure. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.320 You, I'm just here for equitable trades. That's all I 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.280 care about, is just equitable trades. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.840 As as the fanos on top of the throne, the arbiter, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.799 explain how you're going to judge our trades, because you're 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.840 not just choosing the prospect package that has better prospects. 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.440 Because if Heimbo and I were to make those trades, 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.639 we would just overpay for everything so we could win 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.920 this quote unquote episode. How are you going to be 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.800 judging our mock trades? 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.480 I think I'm just gonna pick the trades where I 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.760 know both fan bases are going to be mad. But 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.760 now I think it's one where that if I was 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.000 in the GM seat of either side, I would painfully 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.880 say send it in and like grip. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:04.840 My teeth and do it right. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.480 And I think it's it really comes down to, like 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.880 what should the asking price? What's a fair asking price 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.480 for this player on the big league side? And was 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.400 that asking price met do I think? And which was 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.360 closest to that? And you know, maybe some of that 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.600 will be skewed where I may value you know, a 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.000 prospect a little bit more, and that's the fun part 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:26.720 of it. The other side is where I want to 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.000 make sure we get like even, and I'll probably throw 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:34.480 in some calibration questions is our value of these big leaguers? 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.560 But I think that's important too, like how much are 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.080 we weighing control with certain guys? How much are weighing 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.320 which I thought was great in the last episode, how 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.320 much these guys have to get paid, like treks Google's 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.280 salary for the rest of the year is not something 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.280 that you can just gloss over. Because he's really good 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:51.440 at pitching. It matters. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.920 So it's all things that definitely want to bake into 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:54.360 the equation. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.960 And let's say that both of our packages are tied. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:03.080 Will you then will the type breaker be your favorite fit? Like, 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.600 for example, if you like the package with said team 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.680 just a little bit more, even if the prospect returns 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:10.640 are equal. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.440 I'll go fit and likelihood. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.920 If you're giving me like a Brewers deal that will 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.200 never happen, I might. I might just end up not 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.839 making the cut if it's like if it's a Brewers 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.200 deal versus a Preller deal, going to lean towards the 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:27.120 pre Er deal. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.479 And hembo, You and I discussed this too offline. We said, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.320 you know, there's a lot of trade deadline podcast episodes. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:35.840 A lot of people cover the trade deadline, and a 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.040 lot of people do it really well, but you don't 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.520 see a lot of all, right, you think that this 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.080 guy's going to get traded, Who is going to get 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.680 traded and to who, and really narrowing it down to 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.000 what we think is going to be a likely package 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.000 for these ten guys at the deadline. And again, these 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.920 ten players, not only on Jeff Passon's article, are they 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:00.960 forty percent or higher likelihood to get trade, but we 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.599 think it's probably closer to sixty percent. And every player 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.560 here is good. So we're not just thrown around random names. 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.680 These are ten stars we really think are going to 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:09.200 get traded. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.880 No, I'm, for all intentsive purposes, pretending to be the 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.880 GM of all thirty teams across baseball over the next hour, 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.080 and I'm confident that I'm going to win this whatever 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.040 it is, quote card contest, whatever we're going to call it, let's. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.720 Call it a cool card contest. All right, let's break 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.680 straight into it, and we're going to start at the 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:30.640 very top. Terrek Scooble mock trades for Trek Scooble, Hembo. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.640 You are our esteemed guest, our friend, So of course 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.120 the first mock trade for Terrek Scooble goes to you. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.080 I'm sending Tara Scooble to the Tampa Bay Rays. That 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.120 might surprise a lot of people within the side of 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.680 my voice. But if not. Now, when Steo Epstein once 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.920 famously said, we know the system has become absolutely stacked down, there. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.160 You know that the American League is clearer right now 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.320 the path to winning it than it's been for many, 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.000 many years. And this is a club that's only won 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.960 it twice in its history. It has a clear path 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.520 they're doing so right now. They've loaded up in the draft, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.159 most recently drafting Grady Emerson. They made out like a 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.919 bandit last year when they traded Shane Bosse. My package 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.240 as as follows, it's a loaded package. They're going to 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.200 send Cooper Fleming, and they're going to send Brody Hopkins 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.359 to Detroit in exchange for Tarrett schouble In. What was 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.520 You know, probably you could consider the least Rays like 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.680 move that you could ever make. But like I said, 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.400 I think time is of the essence, and given the 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.760 fact that they're operating from a position of strength, that's 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:25.080 what I'm sending into our arbiter. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.760 So I like it hard not to like the Rays 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.280 because I have a couple players on this list headed 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.400 to the Rays. I think we're all aligned that the 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.279 Rays are going to be one of the most active 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.880 teams at this deadline. They got money to spend, they 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.800 got a new owner, They're atop the American League East. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.960 I like what you said, Heimbo if not now went, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.359 and they're in a great position to pounce on a 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.640 guy like Tarek Scooble. But another team that is in 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.200 maybe a better spot to go get Trek Scouble is 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.920 the LA Dodgers. And it's obvious, but sometimes the obvious 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.000 answer is the right one. And my package is Headler 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:05.599 by Zayr Hope, one of the four elite outfield prospects 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.719 on the LA Dodgers that they would not feel if 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.040 he were to go. Obviously incredible prospect, But when you 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.960 look at the current Dodger situation, I think they're okay 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.880 if they only have three elite outfielders and then you 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.320 give up Emma Sheen, who's an MLB ready arm right 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.880 now can slot directly into the Tiger's rotation has always 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.280 had really good stuff bounced in between the bullpen and 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.320 the rotation for the Dodgers, and that's mostly because the 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:36.520 Dodgers are just so freaking good. And I understand you saying, well, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.000 did the Dodgers really need to do this? Look at 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:43.200 how good their team is right now. The Dodgers' rotation 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.960 with Tyler Glass now on the shelf and Blake Snell 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.720 on the shelf. It's not as daunting of a rotation 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.200 as we might be used to, or if you haven't 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.400 been watching Dodger baseball recently, you might not have realized that. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:02.360 It's kind of Yoshinoba Yamamoto, Justin Robleski, Emmett Shean, Roki Sasaki, 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.880 and Eric Lauer. So I'm not saying they need a pitcher. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.560 Dave Roberts even came out and said, we don't really 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.040 need anything. We might be sellers over buyers, and I 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.440 agree with him. However, in this deal, even though it's 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:21.200 an overpay, they don't feel it. And if the Dodgers 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.960 truly want a three P you get Trek Skouoble good Night, 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.080 and all it costs is Emmett Shean and one of 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.200 your four elite outfielders. I think this might even be 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.360 a stronger package than what the Rays could give him. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.040 But Arum, you're the arbiter. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.319 You tell me so, I think both of these are 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:46.760 like fair packages here and in previous years I'd say, well, 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.840 obviously the Dodgers are more likely to do this like 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.640 no way the Rays do it. But for all the 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.800 things that Hemba laid out, I think it's important to 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.920 note that also the financial aspect is not as much 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.040 of a factor for the Rays, I think with ownership 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.320 and the message that they want to send generally speaking 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.800 as well. And I think when you're just looking at 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.679 what we've got as my video. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.720 Just goes out, I have no idea what happened there. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.320 But when we think about it from that lens, I 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.720 just I think it's a tough gauge because the funniest 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.000 part is are I can't decide if the Dodgers are 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.440 playing koy right now and just deciding that they don't 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.640 want to set the market, or if it's one of 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.680 those situations where they actually just don't want to make 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.160 that kind of move like they because anytime you make 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.160 this trade, it's going to be a model defying move, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.240 right Like it's always going to say not worth it, 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.240 not worth it, not worth it. And I wonder if 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.000 the Dodgers this is the one time with where they're 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.440 at position like in terms of where they're at, that 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.000 they don't want to defy the model. At the same time, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.959 we haven't seen the Rays really do this do this in. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.040 A little bit now. And I go back and forth, but. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.280 I think this is a tiebreaker of likelihood, and with 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.840 the way and the messaging that we're hearing from the Dodgers, 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.679 unless it's all like a trick, like they don't want 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.800 to set the market, they're just saying this, I think 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.360 the Rays are more likely to do it. And if 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.440 the Rays make this trade, Brody Hopkins is the most 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.280 frustrating pitching prospect for me in baseball right now. He's 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.480 either six perfect with ten k's or he walks six. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.199 But the upside there is so amens. He's already in 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.800 tripa A. Fleming is a hit first, left handed hitting infielder, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:33.080 which I think is the number one addiction of this 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.560 Tiger's front office in Scott Harris. So I think I 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.760 know that's why I had both threw him in there. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.520 Shean is gonna hit ARB next year, but I think 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.280 they would love to throw him in there and have 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.400 him in the rotation the Tigers. But they're also in 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.560 a spot now where it's like you're trying to find 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.600 a spot for a couple guys that are really throwing 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:53.960 the ball. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.360 Well, I go Zire Hope doesn't. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.400 Totally fit what they typically like, but he has been 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.800 destroying the ball and I think they need an outfielder 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.320 or left in a hitting outfielder in the fold there 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:04.400 would help a little bit more. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:06.600 This is probably the toughest one. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.400 But I'm going to answer before you answer, Hambo. I 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.400 think we did a good job here, because you can't decide. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.360 It's like pick it between, you know, a really good 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.160 New York strip and a really good Ribbi. It's what 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.000 are you more in the mood for? In the mood 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.640 for a little bit more fat on your steak or 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.000 you want to go a little bit healthier, a little 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:22.839 bit leaner ar them. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.960 I'm going to go with the one I actually think 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.960 is more likely, which is crazy, and it's the Rays. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:29.680 I think I'm going to go with the Rays on 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.079 this one, but it's also because I want to see 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.240 the race makes splash. But I think the Dodgers messaging 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.840 is just unless it's all bullshit, I just don't see 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:39.520 him doing this. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.040 Question for you real quick. In the two players from 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.480 the Rays and the Dodgers, what package do you think 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.920 is better? Just in a vacuum. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.280 In a vacuum, it's it's the Dodgers package. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:55.280 Okay, so you think you think the Dodgers if the 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.880 Tiger said, we want zay R Hope and Emma Shean 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.719 instead of what the Rays and the Dodgers wouldn't feel that. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.040 You still think. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.280 It's more I don't think they're gonna you know, I 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:11.040 always I kind of reject the like wouldn't feel that 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:12.880 thing the more I've thought about it, because it's like, 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:13.920 of course you feel it. 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:14.960 It's a really good player. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.760 So if you're giving up a really good two really 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.040 good players for a rental, no matter how many you have, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.480 you could have a hundred of them. You could have 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.720 moved them for something else. So I think the Dodgers 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:31.840 package bad better. But I also think Scott Harris may 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.600 value Fleming just as close as Hope, who knows and 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.559 and the upside of Hopkins as a guy that hasn't 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.120 even started as big League clock yet could be more appealing. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.120 Or Harris may just want to plug in a guy 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.360 into the rotation next year, but he'll be an RB already, 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.960 So that's one of the only other drawbacks too. 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.600 Hambo takes a one to zero lead you he go there. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.960 The whole point was the watch rum just twist himself 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.280 and not for the last five minutes and still not 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.839 feel confident in his answer. So we did our job 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.720 there for sure. So as far as off, we both 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.280 won the Terror Schooble trade. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.400 Should we take a draw? Now you won, arm picked you, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.600 you won. It's one zero hembo that we move over 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.800 to Michael Waka. Not quite Trek Scooble, but a damn 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.760 good pitcher. And he's pitched to a mid to low 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.800 threes era and it feels like for the last decade, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.080 and he comes with one and a half years of 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.480 control and a club option in twenty twenty eight. So 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.520 I don't think necessarily that he's going to have like 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.000 it's going to be cheap to go get a Michael Waka. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.440 I know the underlying metrics aren't great, but he has 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.520 some postseason success under his belt. Like, this is a 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:44.480 really good sound pitcher is on the older end, but 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.840 any team would be I think jumping for joy to 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.959 bring Michael Waka in hemball. Throw it over to you again. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.840 You're going first, my friend, the package mock trades for 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:56.680 Michael Waka. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.720 I'm saying Michael Waka to the Chicago Cubs because Michael 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.360 Waka represents every single thing that they need in their rotation. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.600 Namely consistency, namely durability. I don't view him as a 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.920 frontline starter. I view him more as a mid rotation 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.120 starter based upon those two notions, his consistency and his durability. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.760 He's among the very best mid rotation starters in all 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.080 of ball and there's nothing that the Cubs need right 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.320 now more than average, if not slightly above average innings eating. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.240 That's exactly what he provides. I don't think that the 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.560 market is going to be that hot for him. Candidly, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.760 I don't think the industry views him as being much 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.360 more than what I just described. But look, desperate times 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.480 in Chicago call for desperate measures, and he's someone that 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.320 you could absolutely pencil in the start Game three of 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.120 a postseason series. The package is this, I'm sending two prospects. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.640 I'm sending King Kepley, a twenty two year old center fielder, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.320 and I'm sending Caleb Wing, a nineteen year old right 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.160 handed pitcher. It's going to be a two for one 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.400 Chicago to Kansas City as the Royals do whatever it 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.480 is tearing down that they do here before the deadline, 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.240 which of course is absolutely necessary considering the way that 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:58.360 their season has been tanked. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.560 When you look at this package, I'm gonna value Michael 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.160 Waka a little bit higher than you are. And that'll 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.400 that's why it's good that Arms here as kind of 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:13.160 that balancing act. But again, Michael Waka just continues to shove, Like, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.080 how many more seasons of a mid three cra eating 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:17.880 one hundred and seventy two hundred and eighty innings do 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.320 we have to see before we call him at least 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.760 a really solid number three in a playoff rotation. And 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.480 I think for a really solid three in a playoff rotation, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:29.920 you're gonna have to give up a little bit more. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.400 And I would also say the Braves might need him 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.040 even more than the Cubs do. I was shocked to 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:42.600 see this that innings from starters on both the Cubs 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.440 and the Braves. Brave starters have thrown less innings than 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.840 Cubs starters have this year. The Braves are in desperate 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.760 need of a guy to solidify this rotation. Because you 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.840 have Chris Sale at the top, that's awesome. We're still 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:02.440 waiting on Spencer Schwellenbach. Strider is hurt and I don't 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.200 really know what the update is on him. And after 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:11.760 that it's Waldrop, Ranaldo Lopez, Martin Perez. I think the 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.040 Braves desperately need a guy who can routinely give them 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.200 six innings of two to three run ball, and I 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.320 think it's going to cost number one Owen Murphy, who's 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.400 already been up to the Big league's twenty year old 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.120 first round pick in twenty twenty two. He's a really 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.360 solid prospect. And then Alex low Diese, twenty two year 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.720 old in a ball having a good season. He was 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.040 his second round pick in twenty twenty five. So that's 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:40.520 my offer. I think it's steeper than Hembo's offer, but 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.400 I think Michael Waka deserves it, so arm you're the arbiter, 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:45.680 does he deserve it? 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.400 Couple of Michael Waka things. I think his contract's fascinating. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.000 This is the most expensive year that you'll have of 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.200 three years of control, or I guess two more after this, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.640 so two and a quarter, and then it's fourteen mil 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.000 next year, which I mean you're getting him for eight 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.600 million less than the qoh no problem, and then fourteen 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.640 million the year after that. He does hit a lot 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.800 of incentives that'll probably end up driving him closer to 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.960 fifteen sixteen million because they're all innings based incentives, but 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.560 great thing, sign up for it. I have one problem 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.359 with him post package, and this might be me over valuing, 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.439 kind of like the state of the Org. But the 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:28.920 Cubs have eight thousand hitting prospects and they have two 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:29.960 I think really. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.679 Relevant pitching prospects at this point. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.159 One is Jackson Wiggins, who's been banged up most of 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.560 the year, and the other is Caleb Wing. And Wing 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.440 is striking out what thirteen fourteen per nine. He's still 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.080 at the lower levels, a lot of time to figure 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.840 things out. But I do wonder like you trade I mean, 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.720 obviously you have the guy you just drafted in Kaid 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.600 Townsend as well, and that helps. But entering the draft, 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.960 that's where you stood. Do you want to trade a 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.200 little bit of that pitching depth with for a vet arm. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.960 He is controllable and so maybe that would be worth 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.160 it for them. I don't know. I love King Kane Kepley, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.560 and I think he would fit. I could glove out 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.920 there and his power would play out out there. And 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.520 I think he's one of the most underrated prospects in baseball. 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.200 Great defender. I think he's already got forty five bags 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.320 this year in eighty three games, he's only been caught 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.639 four times. Sneaky pop, really fun player. I'm trying to 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.520 think too of what the Royals would want here, and 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.200 I don't see this as a team that I think 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:27.800 with where they're at, I don't know if they want 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.400 guys that are further off. I do wonder if they 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.720 want guys that can kind of help them a little 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.720 bit more quickly, because I imagine maybe they feel like 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.480 they're not as far off as the record may suggest. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.280 Where do you stand on that, Henm, But what do 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.960 you think the Royals feel right now about where they're at? 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:44.160 Maybe going into twenty seven? 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.320 Somewhat delusionally, I think the Royals are teetering on an 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:52.760 Angels like sort of worldview of themselves, which I think 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.840 is very dangerous and very damaging. I personally see a 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.439 system that is devoid of talent, not just at the 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.600 lower levels, not just at the upper levels, but in 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.560 the big leagues two like this is in my judgment, 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.520 if you were to just stack surplus across organizations, they're 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.000 going to be in the bottom third for sure, if 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.120 not even worse than that. I don't see much talent here. 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.720 I think this team is much closer to a full on, 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.000 full fledged rebuilder, at least reset than most people realize. Yes, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.359 we remember fondly than making the playoffs a couple of 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.800 years ago. Yes, we all love Bobby Wood Junior and 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.080 what we've seen from CAGs, what we've seen from Carter Jensen. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.360 But it's a roster that doesn't make much sense now 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.040 because they're young bats. They're veteran arms that are somewhat 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.639 expensive that aren't that wiffy. Many of those pitchers are 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.080 out performing their peripherals because the ballpark is so friendly. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.120 I'm just not right now a big fan of where 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.240 this organization is, and so I think what they should 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.439 be doing is operating under the assumption that we're going 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.240 to build out our roster for the twenty twenty eight 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.560 and twenty twenty nine season, not try and microwave any success. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:48.719 But that's just my two cents. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.159 I agree with you wholeheartedly. But do you think that 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:51.960 it will do. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.280 I think that's much less likely than what I just said, 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.480 because I think they have a few of themselves much 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.880 closer to the team that hung the Yankees in the playoffs. 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.680