WEBVTT - "2005 NBA Finals: Game 5" with Robert Horry | Spurs vs. Pistons 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.400 And Eminem was behind the bench said you won't be 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.440 getting number sixth to night, buddy. It is Eminem, you know, 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:08.480 one of the greatest rappers all the time them yeah, 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.320 And so I had to talk trash back to where 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.239 trouble now though, they better get me. And then after 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.760 I did this dunk on rip, I looked at him 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.040 like I told you, it's looking over. 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.520 On today's episode, we are talking game five of the 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.720 two thousand and five NBA Finals between the San Antonio 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.760 Spurs and the Detroit Pistons. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.720 You don't tell nobody this, but I go back and 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.360 watch this game and pat myself on the back and 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.040 smile because I had a hell of a game. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.960 Man, Big Shot Bob rob Ari is in studio seven 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:44.640 time championships. 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:46.199 You did it last year in the finals. He's done 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.120 it for us all regular season long, and he's going 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.479 to keep on doing it. And that's Robert for you. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.040 When I look back, I think this is the second 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:53.960 hottest I had a there. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:55.720 So it's a back and forth night. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.320 I sucked in the first hat. I remember sitting in 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.000 the corner talking to myself, Robbie, sucking night. You're supposed 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.200 to be big Shop ob you terrible and Bruce is 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.680 looking at me like dude going crazy and they next 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.080 thing you know, I come on the second half. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.600 I just fall out twenty one points in the last seventeen. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.440 To have the performance I had in the fourth quarter 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.880 and a little bit over time with no plays called 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.039 for me is one of the best performances you can have. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.440 Games of Names is a production of iHeartRadio Welcome to 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:30.759 Games with Names, presented by when Bett. On today's episode, 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.840 we are talking Game five of the two thousand and 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:39.199 five NBA Finals between the San Antonio Spurs and the 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:45.920 Detroit Pistons with Robert Lori. Who's the real big shot? 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.480 We get into that, We get into the talk of 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.200 rings and things. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.160 Rings and things. Baby, We're I would ring watching you. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.640 Got seven of them dangs? The secret about being clutch. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.760 We'll get into we geting a lot of visualizations, visual success. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.200 I feel like I feel like we got scientific sports science. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.400 What is that that ship they have on the Worldwide Leader? 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.560 That guy from sports I don't know. I feel like 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.200 he's been gone ever since. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.000 Ever since. I don't know. He's he's too deep. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.520 Yeah, we get into pot versus Jackson, Phil completely different 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.360 awesome to awesome to really get to hear where they 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.120 were the same and where they were like completely different. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:29.800 Rob can speak on both of those. Not a lot 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.320 of guys can he can. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.360 Man, And I mean, you can't talk this era of 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.920 basketball without talking brawls. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:39.600 Malice in the Palace. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:40.680 Baby, Malice in the Palace. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.000 We all we even dabble in a little college football, 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.160 Big Alabama guy roll Tide yep. And then we'll wrap 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.240 up the show talking about some of the most clutch 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.480 athletes of all time with some game. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.160 Some game. 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When bet brings the excitement of 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.720 the win Las Vegas and Encore Boston Harbor to your phone. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.400 Join win bet today and bet with the official online 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.680 gaming product from win Resorts. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:55.720 Let's go. June nineteenth, two thousand and five. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:00.360 The Palace at Auburn Hills, Auburn Hills, Michigan was. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:05.960 First trail by two with nine point four second left 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:07.680 side out of bounds. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.640 Man Ude gets doubled on the catch, he kicks it 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:12.160 to Ari. 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:17.400 This is Game five of the two thousand and five 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:19.760 NBA Finals. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:30.480 My God, Welcome to Games with Names presented by win Bet, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:35.680 and we have a very special guest today. Big Shot 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:41.640 Bob rob Or is in studio. Seven time champion, which 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.720 he you know. I joked with him. I said, hey man, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.680 you got the Brady. He goes, no, no, no, I got 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.400 the Ori. I started it first. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.039 What did you say? I said, Brady has there there? 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.080 It is eighteen year NBA career. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.480 If you have a word of clutch, his his name 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.200 and his picture is in that dictionary. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:04.800 You know. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.520 They call him big shot Rob for a reason or 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.239 Bob thanks for coming to the studio. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.000 Man, welcome, man, thanks for having me. I just you know, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.839 and they called me in told me that you wanted 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.480 me to be on your podcast, said me, he sure 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.920 to be me, Yeah, because I'm such a big fan 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.080 of you, man, Like when you're on TV Sunday Football, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.240 I'm always watching you. When you go off, I go 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.440 somewhere else. I love what you do. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.120 Man, Man, I appreciate that, and I mean, let's let's 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.360 jump into it. You know what people don't realize. Everyone 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.760 our set time was eleven o'clock. Okay, eleven o'clock, and 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.679 you know I'm in here taking a shower, getting ready. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.479 You just got back from the gym. It's ten fifty, 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.599 and I got people coming to the room. 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.240 Hey, Rob's here, Rob's here. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.200 And that's the kind is that the kind of guy 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.640 you were when you were playing, like you just right 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.200 away ten minutes early, probably doing a couple of shots, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:58.920 getting lubricated. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.280 What's going on? You know? For me is when you're 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.800 an athlete, you know, if practice starts at ten o'clock, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.640 you always gonna be there with nine thirty nine o'clock, 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.040 depending on you need to get treatment. And that's just 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.800 who I am, you know, I value time. Time is 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.960 so precious to me, and I don't want to waste 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.159 your time because I don't know. If you've got Tom 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.159 Brady coming after me, I know I might get bumps 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:20.560 O wut all my time, you know what I mean? 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.640 But I just think that you have to respect people's time, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.640 and I just I always want to be on time, 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.159 and if I'm ever late, I'll probably apologize twenty times 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.920 if I'm late. But you know how it is being 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.960 an athlete. You've got to be ready to go when 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.479 coach has practice at eleven o'clock, you gotta be ready 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.200 to go. You got it with the John Wooden rule. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:39.320 If you're on time, you're late. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:40.359 Yeah, you know. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.640 So today we are looking at the Spurs versus the Pistons. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.120 I mean, we have so many games we could have 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:47.600 got into, but we had to get into the two 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.160 thousand and five NBA Finals Game. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:51.600 Game what Jackie? 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:52.279 Game five? 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:52.679 Baby? 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.240 Game five? Is that an important game? Some would say 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.760 is that an important isn't there some kind of crazy 0:06:58.760 --> 0:06:59.920 stat if it's too two time? 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.960 Seventeen of the last twenty three at this time had 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.520 gone on to win the finals. So game five is pivotal. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.680 Pivotal, by the way, that's Jack, that's Kyler. Robert part 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:11.200 of the crew. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:12.840 Got a great crew here. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.800 Many you're making it. Even you're making it is this 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.840 is all for you? Explain to us why why this game? 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.560 You know, you got to understand it. And when you're 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.600 playing a really good team like we were back then 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.640 and the Detroit Pistons they had just beat the Lakers 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.680 for a championship, so they wanted another championship because you 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.720 know how it is in sports. When you win one, 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.120 someone said, oh it was a fluke, but when you 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.960 win two, they say you're a dynasty, even though you're 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.800 not a dynasty. But they started talking about, oh, this 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.760 is the possibleity a dynasty. So that's a very pivotal game. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.640 And we in Detroit, and for people who don't know, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.360 this was a time when the playoffs was two three two. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.120 So you play two at home, and you go on 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.800 the road and play three, and then you play two 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.800 at home to try to win. So you think about 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.960 this Detroit Pistons, Detroit basketball. These guys don't lose at home. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.720 So we go down three to two, going back to 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.280 our building, it's gonna be hard to win, you know, 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.240 two games in a row. So game five, you know, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.000 I just caught fire and it was was one of 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.560 those games where it was when you go I even 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.560 don't tell nobody this, but I go back and watch 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.400 this game and pat myself on the back and smile 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:18.840 because I had I had a hell of a game. Man. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.000 Now, when when when you're in that kind of zone. Yeah, 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.680 Like I remember once in eighth grade, you know, I 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:30.160 was playing a WPPSL had Mount Carmel, and I felt 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.040 like I was in the zone. Anytime I throw it up, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:33.920 you know, I caught that for like two seconds? 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:34.679 Is that how it was? 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.120 Like you just anytime you catch it, catch shoot, It's in. 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.040 Man. You know, when I look back at certain games, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.120 I think this is the second hottest I ever been 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.679 in the NBA. The first time I was in Cleveland 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.280 when I hit like nine threes in that game and 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.280 I was hot. And then there was another time where 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.199 I was kind of equal to that when Milwaukeer when 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.840 I got my career high forty. But this game, because 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.680 in those games, when I say that they ran plays 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.520 for me, this game, Pop Nutt wasn't play for me. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.600 It was just all shots. I just you know what 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.400 f this, I'm taking this. I'm feeling good and for me. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.960 When you get that hot, the basket is like like 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:12.960 the ocean. Just you know, whatever way you do it, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.760 it goes in. Now, let's talk about some of these facts. 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.480 You're from Bama, I'm from Alabama? Are you big? Are 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.440 you big? Bama fan? Roll tide, roll tile all the way. Man. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:24.679 I love college football. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.720 So is that your Saturdays is dedicated to college football? 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.720 I watch Alabama college football period and I watched everybody 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.640 I watched. I watched Florida State play. I watched Oregon 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:40.080 because my stepdaughter she went to Oregon. I watched you still, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.320 I watched. I just love college I love football. My 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.000 mama wouldn't let me pay, by the way, but I 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.600 love it. But it's it's and I sometimes watch college 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.320 more in the NFL because it's almost like it's like 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.520 a different type of passion. You know. It's like the 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.120 pros are so good and they're so precise, but you 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.160 just like the rawness of the college game. How some 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.920 of those guys came do the precisions that you guys do, 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.600 And I was just like, it's just fun to watch. Yeah. 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.360 Now do you think it's changing a little now that 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.319 these guys are basically professionals making more money than taking 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:10.720 pay cuts once they get the NFL. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.040 Even though Alabama in Alabama. 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.440 Florida and I think Georgia and a lot of these 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.320 other teams when I was playing, they were taking pay 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.280 cuts because they were getting paid by boosters. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.640 So you know, like has it changed. You know it's 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.280 changed because every time you pick up the whatever you want, 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.600 an app or whatever, you see, oh, this quarterback is support. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.800 I think it's like twelve quarterbacks in the portal already. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.280 I mean, like come on, you know, and I know 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.160 it's all about you. And then the loyalty. There's no 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.120 loyalty in sports sor to say, but I just think 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:42.800 it gets to a point where the NC double A. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.560 I think they have to, you know, monitor this. Yeah, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.160 because I seen one guy. He transforms every year. It's like, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.760 are you trying to get to the next level? Are 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.640 you just trying to get paid? Now, don't get me wrong, 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.600 I'm all about you getting your paper, but it has 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.600 to be some type of control. And I know the 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.520 COVID this is the last year, the COVID year whatnot, 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.400 and it just needs they need to get a handle 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:04.680 on it. Without a doubt. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.960 I mean because if you're going to get paid like 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.400 US pros, we signed contracts. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:12.600 Yeah, you can't. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.200 This is the best free agency I've ever seen in 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.640 my life. Yes, I mean legit, it's your free agent 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:20.559 every year if you want to be yes. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.240 Which you know is good and bad. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.360 Yes, I definitely think it's changing a little and they 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:27.800 definitely have to have some kind. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:28.680 Of regulation on it. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.640 Yeah, so you're you're watching college football. What's life for 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.439 you like now that you've been retired a little bit, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.320 you know, and like you said, time allocations everything, what's 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:40.680 the time going to these days? 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.280 Yeah? You know, I'm kind of like, you know, I'm 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.760 in the TV world where I do Laker televisions. I 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.200 work for Spectrum if I can stay to him but 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.280 Charter and then we do the Laker television and I've 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.400 been there for thirteen seasons. And you know, country boy 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.800 from Alabama, I never thought I would be doing Laker 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:00.000 television because la is you know, it's not the dirty side, 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.360 you know, it's some of the slang I use people 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.560 like what the hell did you just say? But I'm 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.760 having fun. But it also allows me to do my 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.960 schedule the way my son's high school schedule. I scheduled 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.040 around his schedule. Since I've been there thirteen years, I 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.720 can do that, and that's the most important thing. Men 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.520 to try to go to each other one of his games. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.520 But I also talk to his coach when I'd be like, yo, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.280 is this a good game? Like, Nah, that's not a 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:22.679 good game. You don't need to be at that one 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.680 because they've been blowing people out by thirty and forty 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.760 because they won state championship last year, so they're really 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.200 really good. And so I'm like, Okay, do I go 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:30.920 make money or do I miss this game or do 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.920 I make this game? And I like my schedule now 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.960 because I can do what I wanted to do thirteen years. Dude, 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:36.960 I mean, you've earned that. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.520 And that's what a lot of people don't realize. When 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.079 we were talking, when you sacrifice as much time and 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.560 energy and attention of your life to a single craft, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.720 which people don't realize. Ten minutes early before the meeting, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.360 mister Ory was here, so you know, he was a 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.800 constant professional that like, once you're done, you know, you 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.319 gotta kind of you got to give your flowers all 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.119 the people in your circle, and that's your family, your friends, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:04.559 and give them. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.360 So you know, that's awesome. That's awesome. It's so important, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.840 you know, to make sure you know, because think about it, 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:11.839 how old are your kids. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.239 My little girls just turned seven. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.000 See, and in ten years you're gonna be like what 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.280 at the time, go she's be off to college and 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.520 you can like, she's never gonna call you. But when 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.560 you wants something. So so it's just it's just like that. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.679 You know. I have two older kids and there it's like, Yo, 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.080 what do you need Dad? I can tell by one 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.600 of a text like, Yo, Papa, I'm like, Okay, what 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.280 do you need. It's so funny he says, like Papa, 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.480 But he says Papa. I'm like, you never call me papa. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.880 But he's like, Papa. I'm like, what do you need? Well, 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.920 my my truck needs new tires. I'm like, well, go 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.760 get some. So but I love my kids, man, I 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.840 do anything in the world for them, and you know, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.559 it's just it's just fun. So enjoy that seven year old. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.600 I know, we just started soccer. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.560 Things are crazy right now getting them in. She's in 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.240 this little club team and trying to see if she 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.040 likes it. Yeah, you know what I mean because she's athletic. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.640 It's just you know, yes, you get that from you 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:14.439 from my mother. What athleticism, I would say me, Yeah, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.640 let's go back the early days. We're did this clutch start? 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.880 You know? For me, I think it happened in high school, 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.200 and I can I can really pinpoint when it happened. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.720 We used to have this tournament, that Andalusia invitation where 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.400 it was a Christmas tournament. My junior year. I'm killing 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.600 it year. I don't really want to say, well, okay, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:41.760 you make me say nineteen eighty seven, all right, eighty 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.240 seven and it's our tournament, and I get we you know, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.400 we get I get fouled and we're down too. I 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.520 go to the free throw line, make the first one, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.240 I missed the second one. We lose the game, and 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.520 I remember walking into that locker room. We hadn't lost 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.240 that tournament in like twenty year. This was the first 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.000 time I was losing. I walk on the lock all 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.840 my teammates are crying. I'm sitting there like what did 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.200 I just do? And from that moment on, I says, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.160 I gotta be better. I gotta be more focused. I 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.160 got to do whatever I can do to make sure 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.840 We're not putting this position again. And then what really 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.000 made me feel bad is, you know the next game 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.320 we played, you know, I had like fifty points. I'm 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.120 killing it, right, but I get MVP and you I 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.320 have a picture of me when I'm holding trophy, like 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.800 I don't deserve this, even though I was the best 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.600 player in that tournament and they gave it to me. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.400 I'm like, this is home cooking. I was like, I 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.600 don't want this, and because I didn't deserve it, because 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.280 I let my team now and from that moment on, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.920 I just been that type of player to do whatever 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.000 it is my team's need to score points, you know, defense, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.520 block shots, rebound, because it wasn't about me. It wasn't 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:50.760 about me being successful, about us being successful. It's so crazy. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:56.760 It's something as little as that that sparks a mindset 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.000 where you don't want to let your team down. And 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.680 I have I have, I have a story. Were the 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.040 same thing where I felt terrible. We were it was 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.520 my sophomore year of high school. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:14.280 I was, huh, what year was that? Two thousand and two? 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:20.480 Oh man, I was on my what fifth I was 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:27.120 watching you and uh we were undefeated nine. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.240 And oh the team that we were playing, Menlo at 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:30.960 the ten. It was our arrival. They were nine and 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:32.840 oh and it was frosh Off. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.040 It was a late bloomer, but we. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:39.200 Were good and I was playing safety and a kid 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.400 they threw it was like, there's six seconds to go. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:43.400 They threw it deep. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.960 I went up and I high pointed it and picked 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:48.840 it and I was trying to run it back and 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:49.880 I did a stumble bum. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.520 A stumblebums when you put your arm down and you 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:54.480 have the ball right. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.800 Here to try to keep yourself up, and I'm going 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.960 and one of their guys took the ball and we 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.160 were tied and scored time off. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:03.800 We lost. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:08.200 Wow, you know, and that's that's what you were talking 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.040 about right there from your story about missing that shot 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.040 and let your team down. I felt so terrible, you 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:18.000 know that. I like that literally hurt me. Still hurts 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.880 me to this day. Losing the menlo Atherton, our rival 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.440 nine and oh versus ninety zero championship on the line. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:25.480 It was bad, man. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.879 But you know, from there on out, and you know, 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.159 it puts a reminder in your head you never want 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.280 to feel that again. So you tighten everything up, tighten everything. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.800 It's amazing how much more focused little things like that 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.360 can make you in your career. And when you don't 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.560 have any adverse or any setbacks like that, it seems 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.760 like everything is like you're going down the path. When 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.280 it hits you, you be like, okay, what It's like a 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.840 shell shock. So I can appreciate that moments. Yeah, Now, 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.119 you were Alabama Player of the year in high school. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.080 Correct grew up in Bama. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.720 Was it a given you were going to go to Bama? 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.920 No? I wanted to go to Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech. Yes, 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.960 I wanted to go to Georgia Tech. And because I 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.560 went to a high school that was we didn't They 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.639 didn't give us pep rallies, they didn't do anything. Our 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.679 football team was never decent, but they weren't as good 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.879 as us. And it just pissed me off each of 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.439 them that they didn't respect basketball. And so I'm like, 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.760 I'm not going to Alabama. Man, you know, Alabama is 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.200 football football football. I said, I want to go to 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.359 the ACC. I want to play for Bobby Krimins in 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.320 Georgia Tech. So how much did they pay you to 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:34.359 get you? No? He's it funny nobody ever gave me anything. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.560 Someone I'm not going to say who offered my mom 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.120 a car. And my mom says, I don't want that shit. 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.639 She said, because I don't feel like I owe you anything, 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.520 just in case my son decides to leave that school. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.400 And so my mom wouldn't take anything. And she heard 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.960 that I took five hundred dollars from someone. She was like, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:51.800 you need to get that money back. I said, okay, 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.159 I didn't give it back, but I said, okay, but 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.320 for me, it's just Georgia Tech, the ACC A basketball 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.520 comphen you say ACC basketball comes to mind, you say 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.359 SEC football comes to mind. So I was like, I 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.200 want to go to the a CC. But you know 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.720 my mom, she gets mad when I tell this story. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.000 My mom said, well, if you go to Georgia Tech, 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.040 you probably won't see me that much. If you go 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.960 to Alabama, you'll see me a lot. And so I 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:22.480 went to Alabama. Yeah, but about back by the way though, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.120 I was also academic player of the Year in Alabama too. 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:30.080 Academic right, Yeah. My mom was a school teacher. My 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.760 dad served eighteen years in the military, So I had 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.080 a lot of discipline in my life. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.200 You know what, I was going to ask he was 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:37.679 ten minutes early I was and say you got you 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:42.280 got family. I swear to God, I was thinking of that. Okay, 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.800 so ACC basketball, SEC football. 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.840 These were good Georgia. These were final four Georgia Tech 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.639 teams Kenny Anderson days. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.280 I got a game real quick. 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.080 What comes to mind when you say Pac ten basketball? 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:00.680 What comes to your mind when you hear Big ten, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.560 Big ten football? And most importantly, what comes your mind 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.720 when you hear the MAC baseball? 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.159 Baseball? Yeah? Who's out of baseball? I don't know. I 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.240 just want to I just want to get baseball from love. 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:14.960 It's too cold for Even. 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.720 Though Kent State my school in the MAC, they went 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.800 to like three or four College World. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.600 Series in the last couple decades, they didn't win. I 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.320 don't think, But I think, who's like? I love baseball too? 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.439 I just like you know, I played baseball growing up. 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.360 A lot of people thought I was going to get 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:34.439 a scholarship in baseball before basketball. What would position? I 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.400 pitched first base to center field. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:38.760 You're throwing gas, clearly. 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.600 That's all I had. I had a change up to 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.080 bastball and the curve ball. I had three pitches. That's all, 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.919 could you imagine a big shot bob. 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.359 On the mound looking like Randy Johnson, because Randy's what 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:50.920 six to seven? 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:52.320 You were six to eight, sixteen six. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.280 Yeah, Jesus, you probably would have been able to throw 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.160 for years too, because your body's. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:02.280 So big and like lanky. Just man, all right. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.359 I was a Warriors fan growing up, and I changed 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.280 being Warriors fan because they got so good and I 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.040 went to Boston. 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.119 So you're a Celtics fan. I became. I became boys 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.520 with the guys. Okay, I can respect, you know what 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.960 I mean, and everyone it's kind. That's how I became 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.840 an Astros fan because I became friends with Bagwell and 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.760 Visual and all those guys. I understand that. Yeah, you know. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.320 So I went to Boston. 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.440 They were winning, and when I left, the Warriors were 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.240 you know, they were getting good and they were signing. 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:32.720 You know, it became different than the Warriors I grew up. 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:33.440 I grew up with. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:37.720 Spree my teammate, your teammate from college, choking out coaches 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:39.080 and stuff, had a Spreewell. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:40.280 Jersey loved it. 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.040 Yeah, any good Spreebee stories from back to school. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.720 It's you know, Spreewall was believed, not very quiet. I 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.760 didn't say much and he was just you know, it 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.600 was really nothing to say. He loved electronics, he loved cars, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:56.439 you know, that's when he had the spinners and stuff 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.800 like that. He was just he was just that quiet guy. Man. 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:04.560 You know, it's no stories that we were. So yeah, 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.600 if you look at our team at Bama's, we've had 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.119 like I played like with fifteen pros that went on 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:14.280 to the NBA. Sorry, and there was never anybody. We 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:16.680 just we just came and did work. Man. We came 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.720 and worked out, did our job and went home. Nobody 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.199 was though. We had no characters. Yeah, I only got 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:23.639 the characters as you get to the NBA. That's the 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.320 only time you come across characters. Yeah, but I'm sure 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.199 with you was what fifty two of you guys on 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:28.800 the field. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.320 Fifty three on the squad for six on game day? 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.359 Thinking you had like one hundred with practice squad. 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.640 That's the characters right there though. So yeah, there was. 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.800 But where I was at, no nonsense. 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.439 It was kind of like probably were you know, like 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.880 the Spurs. You know you had structure, yes, and your 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.440 best player was the guy holding the court. And if 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.320 he's working hard and not being a character. Tom Brady, 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.520 you can't have guys do that. 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:56.800 Now. 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:00.240 We had fun in different ways, but everyone was out 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:03.960 that work. Everyone was about the work like practice was 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:08.200 really hard for us. Everything was evaluated, always everything. It 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.840 was never about like slapping a guy in the butt 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.800 for doing his job. It was more like, this is 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.119 what you did wrong. You're expected to do that. Now, 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.880 let's go, let's correct it so we all can sleep 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:18.280 at night. 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.240 I'm the type of person my wife gets mad because 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.760 I don't. I don't give people credit for things they're 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.480 supposed to do same, and so she gets mad with 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.080 I'm like, well he's supposed to do that. I'm like, no, 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.000 you should. I was like, I tell him, Mary, now, 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:34.879 he played a good game. And but she says, you 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.800 always focus on the negative. I'm not focusing on the negative. 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.720 I'm pointing out the things that you could have done 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.960 better to make yourself better. And she's like, well, you 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.040 need to focus on some of the good things. I said, 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:46.880 I do, but not as much as the bad things. 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:48.920 I said, I have a relations to my son that's 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.800 different than you, and so I appreciate people like that. 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.560 That says, okay, we're gonna work hard. I'm not gonna say, Okay, 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:56.879 you caught the ball. You're supposed to catch the ball, like, 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:58.240 I'm not gonna give you a high fine. Now if 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.000 it's a hell of a catch, when you catch it 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.600 like this with three fingers or something, then I might 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.040 get you a little pressure. Yeah, you know. 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.800 And I have to catch myself with that too, because 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.560 that's that's the environment pre my my era and pre 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:15.760 my era were like yeah, it wasn't about really like 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:17.480 we're out here to have fun. It was like we're 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.000 out here to fucking win. Yeah, you know, we're out 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.760 here like to do a job, you know, And a 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.360 lot of people don't like that, you know, especially nowadays, 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:26.000 it's different. 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:27.600 You know, things, it's really different. 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.719 You know, you got you gotta love kids up and 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.560 if you don't, you know, they could tank or something. 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.240 So you know, it's definitely changed. 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.240 Were those words built different? It applies to so many 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.359 different ways, you know what I mean. I know, even 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.000 with feel when we would do stuff like we would 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.240 practice or and you would come to our practices, you'd 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.520 be like, are they did they just lose? Our practice 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.000 were intense? You know. Nowadays, guys they don't even practice anymore. 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.399 They do walk through the practice. We would need to 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.080 save our bodies, we need to load management. It's like 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.360 all these practices prepared us for the games, that made 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.840 the games easier. You think about Shaq and Kobe and 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:09.840 you on the second team, they mad that day. They 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.040 coming at you. That's gonna make you better. You know, 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.040 that's gonna teach you the game even more. And that's 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.200 just the way the games should be played. And it's 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:18.840 so weird because I learned that when I first got 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.560 in the lead, because I had Vernon Maxwell, Kenny Smith 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.440 for Lodge and Oldest Thort. These guys went hard every day. 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.320 Then when I got traded to the Phoenix Suns, I'm 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:29.840 going in practice, I'm like, what is this a country club? 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.719 They didn't practice hard, they didn't do this. I'm like, 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:35.240 now I understand why we used to. When we were 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.280 down three to one of you guys, we came back 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.119 and beat you. Then we were down three to two, 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.679 we came back and beach it. Because the mentality and 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.840 the way you taught things in practice, there's no carryover 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.240 to the games. And that's why you see and me 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.400 from watching games, you can tell the teams that practice 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.000 and the teams that don't practice. 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.800 You know, it's gotten tricky too now because of the 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.720 sports science and all this load management and this and that. 0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:02.119 And it started getting prevalent when I started, like middle 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.399 of my career, where we were on the GPS things 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.520 and they'd say you'd be down or you'd be up 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:11.560 according to your energy output and your recovery levels and this. 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:17.560 And it's kind of interesting to me because we're starting 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:21.000 to see like so many more injuries. Like I was 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.480 talking to our trainer and he goes, you know, we 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:27.320 do everything by decades. It used to be get one achilles, 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:30.840 you know, every couple of years. Now we're getting three achilles, 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.560 you know a year. Yes, And it used to be 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.600 where you practice so hard and if you didn't get 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.200 out of camp, like if you'd get hurt in camp, 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:42.360 but whoever calcified and made it through. 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:45.040 Camp, you're going you're. 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.200 Putting yourself in the best situation to finish a season, 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.480 you know what I mean. Now it's kind of like, well, 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.399 we can't practice them too hard, where maybe it's gone 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.480 to the point where you're not stressing your body enough 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.480 that when you hit that sudden jolt of energy in 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.399 a game situation which you always get five percent higher 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.440 because you're in competition and you have that adrenaline mode, 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.159 so maybe the body's not used to it. So now 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:09.960 we're seeing a lot more crazy injuries. 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.080 See, I totally agree with you on that. I said 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.640 to me, that's my philosophy because right now we went 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:17.560 out and said, Okay, you and I are gonna run 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.760 a hound of our dash and the competitive nature, and 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:21.840 this is gonna come out. I'm probably gonna pull a hamster. 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.720 You probably gonna finish, but not me because I'm fifty three. 0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:32.520 I'm gonna because we haven't trained. We haven't trained our bodies. 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.119 And that's what I'm trying to tell people, like you 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.560 gotta train your body so when you get into that moment, 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.399 you ready for that moment. And Plus I also think 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.600 that due to the fact in the NBA, guys can 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.000 you know, smoke certain things to mask the injuries in 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.919 the pain, so they say, okay, I'm smoke this, I 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.600 don't feel no pain. Now you go out and like, okay, 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.199 this was a worse injury than I thought it was. 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:58.120 Now is out for the season. Injuries, So I think 0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.280 There's so many things like that that go into why 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.040 guys aren't, you know, staying on the field of the 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.640 core or as much as possible because they don't recognize 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:07.239 what's going on. 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.480 It was crazy, which it was my strength, but also 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.439 probably what put me out was I would train so 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.320 hard in the off season where you're taxing your body 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:22.840 so hard that like you're redlining on injury just in 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.920 off season training, just because you want to get your 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.199 body to a whole other level for the season. You 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:29.840 got to get it prepared for it, you know what 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.879 I mean. So I don't feel like that's happening as much. 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.280 So then when you do put that energy output into 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.440 a game, that's when things can go wrong. Your body's 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.160 got to feel it, you know. So it's it's complicated. 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:44.960 I don't know what the answers are, but it just 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.600 to me, it seems like there's a lot more of 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:51.440 these injuries, a lot more, you know, and maybe guys, 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.120 you know, maybe need to take a teaspoon of. 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:59.600 Some Yeah, and my trainings processing someone was very hard. Also, 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.880 I've had three NBA players I'm not gonna call your 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.320 name that would work out with me. And then by 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.600 day three like, dude, I'm out a while. Like you 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.080 trained to Art, I'm like, dude, you got to prepare 0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.320 yourself for when training camp comes, because back then we 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.640 had training camp for what two weeks and it was 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.080 two days. You want to be ready so you're not 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.400 that third day of training camp you can barely move. 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.040 So the guys like, now you train too hard. They said, 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.080 you got to prepare your body foot so everything else 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.920 will be easy. And it's just weird how there and 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.800 these are superstars that you were like, oh crap. Just 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.760 imagine if you trained Art, how good you would be. 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.720 You know, some guys are just God gifted. 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.080 Let's get back into the game in two thousand and five, 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.080 what was life like for you? 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.000 It was amazing, man. You know, you think about this. 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.200 You're on the national stage with world stage because the 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.600 game is so global now and you're able to go 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:53.080 out and play for a team that you know hated 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.400 you just two years ago because I was on the Lakers, 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.920 And now you're able to go out and perform and 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:00.840 have such a great perform much that it goes on 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.360 as one of the best games ever. And for me, 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.240 I remember my first year being with the Spurs, I'm 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:10.080 sitting there. They're getting their rings, they're beat us, and 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:11.880 I'm sitting like shit, I never on this side of it. 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.080 I'm using getting the ring. So the first year I 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.479 was with the Spurs, I had a bad year. So 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:19.040 this was my second year with the Spurs. So my 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.320 second I was on a one year deal. I signed 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.520 for like a million dollars. Nobody know this. I could 0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:25.880 have went to the Dallas Marricks and paid for like 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:27.880 four million a year whatever it was. But I said, 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:29.440 you know what, I had such a bad year. I 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.280 felt like I owe them, and I stayed. And that's 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.600 the performance I had. And it's like, you know what, 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.840 this is who I am. Don't look at what the 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.280 performance because people, you know, they always say I only 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:41.200 show up doing the playoffs is which not true. It's 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:42.840 just you use me more in the playoffs because you 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.400 know you need me and so that and for me, 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.280 that game, that series was just incredible because if you 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:51.600 go down the history of the nbing people I had 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.360 to guard, it's been two guys that always giving me problem, 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.280 Tim Duncan and Rashid Wallace because of their side and 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.320 their athletic ability. And Rashih was just he's just a 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.520 tough cover for me, and and and then win that 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.120 series against him, even though a couple of years before 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.720 that we won that series in Portland. But he was 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:10.720 he just he's just one of the greatest players that 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:12.680 nobody ever talks about because he could do a little 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.080 bit of everything. So and I look back at that, yeah, 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.120 and looking back at that ball spot a great spot. 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.160 With him two bud lights two but heavies and both 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.480 both to man Man. 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.640 Yeah, So that was it was a fun series man. 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.520 And and for me, like I said earlier, to have 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.240 the performance I had in the fourth quarter and a 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.760 little bit over time with no plays called for me 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.760 is one of the best performances you can have. We'll 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:47.000 be right back after this quick break, dude. 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.120 So we have a segment where we go back in 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:52.160 time of two thousand and five, around the era of 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:56.640 the the game and the number one movie was Batman Beginnings. 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.360 You remember that movie? Yes, I do. The start of 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.360 the trilogy for Christopher Nolan, one of my favorites. 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.040 This is when I fucking loved because I was a 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:06.840 huge Batman fan when I was a kid, and I 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.200 had all the same same but they gave you It 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.120 was like the first movie that gave the origins of 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:13.160 where Batman came. 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.120 From, you know, and the whole like he had to 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:22.320 go and so you d Marl, I'm Batman. Okay, Okay, 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.440 I like that. I like I like Marvel's. I like 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:26.440 the original ones. 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.680 It's just gotten a little too crazy now you know 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.280 where everything's connected. I like like the original Iron Man, 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.080 the original O G. Spider Man. You can never get 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.240 wrong with all the spiders. I like the Spider Man's. 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.600 Yeah. I love Nick Fury though. You know, just who 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.960 doesn't love Samuel Jackson. I just love Nick Ferry. 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:48.240 He can't Samuel Jackson. I used to call Martella's Bennett. 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.920 You remember markin He used to He used to get 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:56.080 on these little tangents and he sounded just like Samuel 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.080 ol Jackson when to me, yeah, just you know how 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.000 like Samuel you got to be, you know, you be 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:03.240 saying that ship team. 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.560 Meetings and stuff. It was crazy. 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.360 Number one song is We Belonged Together Mariah Carey. Actually, 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.760 fun fact, my first concert ever, I was in eighth grade. 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:13.800 I went and saw Maria Carrey. 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.880 I was I was, I was like four foot two and. 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.760 I actually get met her you bet I met her. 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.200 Yeah, and I was four foot two, so you could 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:23.880 only imagine. 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.160 I was like in heaven. I had the pleasure. I 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:28.960 had the pleasure of meeting her once too because of 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.120 Penny Marshall. You know, Penny Marshall was a good friend 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.840 of mine. And she's like, oh, Mariah, has you want 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:35.600 to go and out? Yes, and she is just like 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.200 I was like, wow, she is so pretty. 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:38.720 She is. 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:40.200 I was like that was amazed. 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:44.240 But yeah, and her voice, her regular talking voice, is 0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:49.200 just beautiful. Reddit was founded at this time on June 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:50.520 twenty third. Do you ever go and Reddit? 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:53.800 No, It's like it's basically I know what it is, 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.120 but I never going. Like I have this, like this 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:58.640 game that I have on my iPad and they says 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:00.600 you have to be you go on read it and 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.400 they tell you what to do. I'm like, I ain't 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:03.200 doing that shit. Yeah. 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.560 I have a group, a text chain, a group of 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.800 friends that are always talking about it. I'll jump on 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:10.520 it here and there. 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:10.879 Yeah. 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.359 You know, wedding crashers hits theater. 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:18.040 Did you see that? Oh motor boat man, Yeah, those 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:22.000 bad boys. Everybody loves wedding crashes man. 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.000 Oh, don't don't think my daughter's gonna be all notch 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.360 on the belt, not wearing a belt beltless. 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.320 In the sports row. In two thousand and five, the 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:36.080 Patriots beat the Eagles in Super. 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.839 Bowl thirty four. That was a dream team that they beat. 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.160 Remember that when but Tia bowled out with like a 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:45.359 broken leg. Yeah, those were some good games. Tiger won, 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:47.319 Tiger Woods won his fourth Master. 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:49.800 That was must watch TV for me. Anytime he was 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.040 playing Tiger. Yeah, that was like, that's like my favorite 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.200 thing to watch it you play at golf. No, I 0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:54.880 don't play it all. 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.680 I don't either, But I loved watching Tiger Woods because 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.359 anytime at this era, it was like he was down 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:02.920 three strokes going into Sunday. 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.200 You knew there's blood in the water exactly. He had 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:10.640 the red on. Tiger was just gonna go crazy. G 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.840 Miller's final season in the NBA. What a stud Oh 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.080 he was. You know. We actually tried to get him 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:20.800 to come join the Spurs in two thousand after he retired. 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:22.319 You know, come play with us. You know you got 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.000 a chance to win a championship. He's like, nah, I'm done. 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.120 You know I did it with him. I did it 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.920 with Grant Hill. I'm like, come on, Grant, come join us. Man, 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.920 get a chption. But Grant decided to go to the Suns. 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.000 I'm like, see, I told you I don't lose, dude. 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:40.759 Every other year I win the championship every other literally. Yeah. 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.080 Yeah, they were saying KG tried to do that for 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.480 the Celtics. They tried to get Reggie. 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:46.080 Yeah. 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.480 He said, now again, I mean, hey, you gotta respect 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:51.160 the man that says when he's done, he's done. 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.160 A respect. That's you know what I mean. 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:57.040 Steve Nash won MVP. This is when Steve Nash era. 0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:01.680 This is that controversial. Let's hear it because this is 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.560 the one where Kobe balled out. You know, this is 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.160 what Kobe had to think. He had the eighty one 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.520 point game and he was just and everybody's like, because 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:11.319 when you do? You know, I love Steve Nash. Steve 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.080 Nash was my rookie in Phoenix. It's like the NBA. 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.759 I always look at the previous season. If you have 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.200 the exact same stats, you don't win him. If you 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:23.320 think about because Jordan really so he had the exact 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.880 same stats. The team actually I think had more losses 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.959 and he got MVP and everybody's like, what the hell 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:32.640 is this? And it's just they didn't grade him on 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:36.880 the curve as they graded MJ you know, Barkley and Dreaming, 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.960 all these other guys who had won MVPs before me. 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.600 You know, if you ask Shaq, Shaq say this is 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.799 what he should have won it at Shaq, he should 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:46.840 have won every played. 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:48.920 This was Miami Shack too. 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.600 This is Miami Shaq. Man. I love Shaq. I just 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:54.680 ordered the chakaroni. 0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:57.840 The chacaroni is so underrated. 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:01.000 I mean, I still have heart from Pepperoni. 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:05.200 Ain't That's like my comfort food man, Pizza and football. 0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:08.320 That's the perfect thing. Where's your favorite pizza from? You 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.279 know what? I don't you basketball guys, literally you have 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.720 lives in every city. Yeah, so you like football. 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.839 When we travel, we got meetings from when we get there. 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.759 We got curfew. We got meetings in the morning. There 0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:22.759 ain't nobody leaving. 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:26.759 We got no curfew. I know you guys, man, you 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.440 know when you play in LA you only get to 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.040 go to Miami once. I remember one time, man, we 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.920 got into Miami maybe like at twelve o'clock. We got there, 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:37.279 like five limos lined up and we went straight from 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.080 the bus to Limbo and field, Like, what the hell 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:44.279 y'all going? We're going out. I think everybottle team went out. Man, 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.520 we already had the cars lined up and we went 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:48.359 and hung out. It's like, shit, we don't get that much, 0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.200 so we going to hang out. And that's the one 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.960 thing that you know now with the NBA set up, 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:55.320 they couldn't did it in our era because now you 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.400 think you go to city, you might play two games 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:01.600 in that city. Man, it wouldn't have been no good 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.640 for us. Man, So think about that. You know, you 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:08.439 in Miami for like six days or something like that. Man, 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.160 that's why you should have home home court advantage because 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.719 you in Miami for six days of LA. Think about 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.480 you in LA. Some guys in LA a week because 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:18.839 you got the Clippers and you got the Lakers. I'm like, man, 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:20.919 if you don't win that game, those guys' legs should 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:23.680 be dead from partying and doing all that. That's that 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:27.360 type of stuff. So you know, that's that's for after dark, Edelman, 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:31.799 we talk about the next time, but after dark games 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:36.240 with names unrated baby, Yeah, exactly. Man. You know, Miami 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.160 does start at twelve I mean, that's when you're starting 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.640 to wrap up dinner. Let's set the stage jack for 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.719 the Detroit Pistons going into this game. 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:48.280 Jump into the defending champ Pistons. Rob alluded to earlier. 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.319 They were coming off that four to one win over 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.399 the Lakers in the finals, so they had the bulls 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.040 eye on their back. Larry Brown in his second season, 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.680 second seed in the East. This is a team with 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.720 the Wallace is Rip Hamilton Darko on the bench. Still, 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:06.960 we got Antonio mcdce, We got Carlos Royal, mister big shot. 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:08.319 We'll get into that later. 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:08.920 Who the real pitch. 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.160 We know who the real big shot is though Chauncey 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.440 current Lakers head coach Darvin ham Uh. They had been 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.840 Wallace Defensive Player of the Year. This was also the 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:21.080 Malice in the Palace season, so don't forget that. 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:22.600 It's a little bit of a what is your thoughts 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:23.000 about that? 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.680 What is the what are the boys talking about in 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.680 the locker room after that shit goes down? Are you 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:30.640 guys like I can't believe that happened? 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:33.000 Or like, man, we're like, what the fuck were they think? 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:33.279 You know? 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.160 Even because I went into the stands once we get 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.440 Vernon Maxwell. We was in Portland and luckily I just 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.400 grabbed him to get him out of the stands and 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:45.680 before anything went down. He got suspended I think five games, 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.120 and I didn't get suspended. I only got like fine, 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.319 like five grand or something like that. But that was bananas. Well, 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:55.000 you know, people don't realize that year the Pacers probably 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.279 beat them to go through the finals. The Pacers were 0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.719 freaking good that year. That team was a beasts. And 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.160 now they open up the opportunity for these guys to 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.680 do it doing But you know, I have the you 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.040 know the pleasure of doing this at my show with 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.719 the Lakers with our test sometimes he talks about it. 0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:14.480 He always says, yeah, he says, he don't know what. 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.719 You know, he just clicked and he just lost out. Yeah, 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.320 you know what, because it always started with him and 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.719 Ben Wallace getting into it. Yeah, and so you I 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.560 don't know if you've seen The Mouse in the Palace, 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.759 but you have to watch. It's really good and it 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:29.800 breaks it down and explains everything about the situation. 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.240 Very into the game, like garbage times. 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.319 The thing is with basketball, these people are right up 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:34.560 on you. 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.880 Yeah, I mean, you got a chili dog on a 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.240 basketball sometimes when he's thrown out a boundary. 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.320 I mean it's crazy to me, you know. With with football, 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.239 these guys have to be you know, there's like there's 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.279 a there's a fucking block off. And then think about 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.920 football always. I love football, like I said earlier, but 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.840 when you watch it, it's like it's so hard to 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.040 know who every guy is because see your faces, Yeah, 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:02.839 you always cover it up. And the guys who really 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.560 wear those black shields don't know how they see and 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:06.440 catch balls with that, you don't know who they are. 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.160 And it's like with us. You know, all we got 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.040 was a tank top and some shorts, so you see 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.040 a pretty much all of us. And so you and 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:13.680 then the fans are right there on the court and 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.160 they talking trash and they like in your ear and 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:20.200 so it's it's just it's I I really appreciate my sport, 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.000 but I kind of love your sport. The fact that 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.680 you're walled off from the fans and then you can't 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:26.160 really hear what they say. I know you probably can, 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:27.439 but I just assume that you can't. 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.840 Yeah, I mean, worst fan base that that talk the 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:37.680 most ship yours. Oh, I'll tell you mine afterwards, Utah, Utah. 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:40.680 You heard that people don't understand the Utah Jazz fan 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:45.080 or holes they are. They can say some wild and 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:46.080 out of pocket stuff. 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.319 Man, yeah, I have to you know, the I've played 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.439 against some crazy fan bases. Buffalo is always crazy fun. 0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.399 But I had this part in the back of my head. 0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.800 I had these two lines and I went up to 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:04.279 You're thinking I was tight. I went to Philly had 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.080 like a mohawk thing, a couple of parts. 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:11.160 This guy for fucking three straight hours talk ship about 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:12.960 my goddamn partner backed. 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:17.160 Man, that fucking part in the back is terrible. The 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.320 whole night after I threw. 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.960 A touchdown past that back game, I went right up 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:23.840 to him, I looked at him and I just pointed 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:24.479 at my part. 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:31.520 You know, but it's fun, it's fun. Yeah, Well we 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:32.200 got Jaggie. 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.040 Oh yeah, that's that about does it for the Pistons. 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:34.919 Great defensive team. 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:37.359 Also, also, by the way, shout out. I was at 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.200 Travis Scott two weeks ago and Rip was how was that, 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.040 Travis Scott? Were you here? Rip was right next to 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:45.920 me and Gronk. Me and Gronk went to it and 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:46.959 we were talking. 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.400 I was talking to Rip, he's a big ass football 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:51.760 fan because him and Brady were cool. I think because 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.600 he went to Yukon and you know, they were winning 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:55.680 championships this time. 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.520 Yeah, Rip was thinking about sending his kids to Harvard 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.120 West like they I think they went to Campbell Hall. 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.520 But yeah, Rip always you know, he tells his kids 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.680 he's never been dunked on, and then one of his 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.920 kids says, then Robert Oloray dunk on you in the 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.919 finals in the game five. Be like, uh, that don't 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.040 count because that was a charge. I'm like, no, dog, 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:21.960 you got dunked on block baby all day YouTube exactly. 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:24.440 You can't. You know. 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:28.480 It's like our parents could be like, yeah, I walked 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:30.960 uphill in the snow for four miles. 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:33.919 I'm like that, we live in San Francisco. There's no snow, 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:38.520 and now, like you can literally google shit, especially when 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.680 you like, you say something, you know, because you don't 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.640 remember a lot of you said no, someone said no, 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.000 you didn't have twenty points. You had nineteen points, And 0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:47.480 I'm just gonna fact check you and let you know 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:49.399 you line to the public. 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If you or someone you know 0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.759 has a gambling problem called one eight hundred five two 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:08.720 to two, four to seven zero zero. 0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:12.759 One eight hundred five to two two four seven zero zero. 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:15.000 Let's get into these Spurs. 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:19.080 These Spurs man another heck of a team. One started 0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:22.319 out super hot sixteen in the first twenty games, ended 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.200 up winning fifty of their first sixty five tim battle 0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.439 a little bit of injury down the stretch. Missed twelve 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:30.040 of the last sixteen games, but battled back that ankle 0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:33.640 injury was nagging. This was the team with Parker or 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:38.000 Bruce Bowen, big shot Bob Jenobili. This was kind of 0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:40.080 Genobi's coming out party first year, who was an All star, 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:45.080 really came into his own. Picked up Nausey Muhammad in 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.080 the mid season, which was big down the stretch. Yeah, 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:52.320 other big body helped him out there. All stars Genobili 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:58.560 and Duncan Pop of course. This was I mean middle 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:02.640 of the dynasty one in nine and then three and 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.120 now we're going for the the second and three years. 0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:07.280 I mean it's crazy. 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:12.800 So you go from Lake Show with Coach Jackson and 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:18.439 Kobe and Shaq and then you go like to Pop 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.440 and you got Duncan. What like, what's that culture? Like? 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.600 How is that like going from a team that you 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:31.560 guys probably hated and be like similar pillar type organizations 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:32.000 that have. 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:38.239 Superstars that run the league. So it'll be like going 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:43.439 from the city with big lights to a small country town. 0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.040 It's just how it is. You think about all the flash. 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.160 You know, you got all these celebrities. You know, you 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.640 look up. Halle Berry's over there, look up there, Gwynith 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:56.759 Pouth throws over there. You got all these stars. You know, 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.439 Denzel's coming up to you saying, yo, man, y'all sucked 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:00.879 the now you need to get you know, get it going. 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:04.560 And then you get to yeah motivating, Oh yeah, yeah, 0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:06.440 you get to san Antonio. You got Tommy Lee over there, 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:09.440 who don't say thathing, you know. But it's it's a 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.000 big difference in the culture as far as what you 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:17.160 have access to pop control. San Antonio, like he wouldn't 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.000 let you do anything that if it wasn't a part 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:22.759 of their organization. Like I had. I used to do 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:27.880 a clinic, a basketball clinic and they were an HB sponsor, 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.640 and I had Walmart. He got mad at me because 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:32.960 you know, HGB is our sponsor, Like that ain't got 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:34.920 shit to do with me. You know, I'm doing this 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:36.800 for the kids, and this is who my sponsor is. 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.240 And he literally they literally got mad at me because 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.279 I'm like, you, well, if you want to donate fifty 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:43.880 thousand dollars to my charity, let's go and let's do it. 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:45.120 And then they were like, now you go ahead and 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.600 do your thing. And so he had so much control 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:51.360 of that town and the players were just like very disciplined. 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.839 You think about it, the culture. We always talk about 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:58.080 culture and sports. You got Pop Military, you got bless You, 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.480 you got David Robinson, who's melitary. Those were the two 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:05.640 seeds that really started that franchise. Yeah, yeah, and you 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:07.640 get these guys. And Tim Duncan is just, you know, 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.800 he's a product of his environment. He's very disciplined. He 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:12.480 doesn't want to do much, you know, if it ain't 0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:15.359 about video games, cars, a poker, he don't want nothing 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:17.080 to do it. You know. But I think basketball is 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.880 probably fourth on that list. And so he's just that 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.160 type of individual where he's just gonna lock in and 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.160 do this. And Manu was like that. Tony was the 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:26.839 only one that was kind of like a wild child. 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.759 When he started dating Eva, it was like, hold on, 0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:32.279 we don't want the spotlight on us. And now you're 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.520 dating even Longoria that's more of a spotlight. And pot 0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.520 was like he didn't really like it too much, but 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.239 you know, you can't get in the way of love. 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:41.520 And then you got Bruce, who was that type of 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.600 it was. It was the culture, it was who he 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:47.400 brought in is how he wanted it. And he controlled 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:49.320 the narrative so much. That's why the teams were so 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:51.960 good because he put his stamp on the team as 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.440 far as field feels like, hey, we're gonna run the triangle, 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:56.360 We're gonna do it this way. We can be disciplined 0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:58.960 enough to run the system like it's supposed to and 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:03.279 only yoga. Yeah, we're gonna talk our feelings. Yeah, but 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:06.480 there's no difference in you know when you get to 0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:10.719 the great coaches. Yeah, they're all very structured and you 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:12.960 believe in them and you believe in their system, so 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:14.920 you kind of do what you need to do and 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.239 if you get a wild child, you kind of next thing, 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:18.840 you know, they kind of either out the door or 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:19.759 at the end of the bench. 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:23.040 I mean, that's so similar to what Yeah, I lived in, 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:26.840 you know, because if you think about it, we're in 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.160 we were in Foxborough, which is it's a town. Yeah, 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:32.680 you know, you have Boston, you have Providence, but like 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.800 most of the guys, I didn't everyone lived in Foxboro, 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:39.360 like Plainville, which is right there. It's very small towny, 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:43.600 and you know, I just wonder if like Pop and Belichick, 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.920 like they sound eerly similar. 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:49.960 They probably are, you know, that's what they you know, 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.400 they probably do. They kind of look alike sometimes, you know, 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:56.080 messed up here and don't give a shit how they look, 0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:57.960 just dressed what it would. I think the best thing 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.560 for Pop was the fact that we got that the 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.160 coaches now don't have to wear suits, because that's just 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:04.360 the San Antonio culture. 0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:04.520 You know. 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:06.520 They never wanted to wear suits. They just want to, 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:07.879 you know, do their job and go home. 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.960 I hate the quarter ziplification, man, I hate the quarter zips. 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:12.960 You gotta get back the suits. 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.160 I'm looking, I'm doing deep dives on Alabama basketball. I'm 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:19.360 seeing Wim Sanderson wearing the sickest plaid sport good of 0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:22.200 all time. And now I get quarter zip universe over here. 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:24.680 Yeah, right, look, you gotta think about it, man. 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:25.480 I'll tell you right now. 0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:27.840 For a coach on that hardwood with them dress shoes 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:30.600 in a suit, man, for two hours, what is it 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.400 two hours two and a half hours basketball game? I 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:35.960 mean some of the sores I've ever been is when 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:40.280 I preseason games and you just stand in some shitty 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:43.200 shoes or some cleats, like because. 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.399 You're not playing, yeah, and you stand for three hours. 0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.359 I'll tip my hat to coaches in the fucking dress shoes. 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:52.120 That's why most coaches that are smart, you know, they 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.480 sit down. They just sit there. You see. Now all 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.839 these coaches want to stay on the sideline, Like why 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:58.520 you cut on the side, Let's go sit down. You're 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.239 in the damn way, young, young coach. 0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:05.000 Are the pop dinners as legendary as people say they are? 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.120 If it's nochi lop lops of nochi? And why he 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.240 loves his wine he loves his noch and those dinners 0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:14.320 were we would go to those dinners and I'm like, 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.360 fuck nocchi again, man, dude, everybody doesn't like what you like. 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:20.040 And so I was always make friends with whoever to 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.719 show hey, man, can you bring me a bring me 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:26.320 a kettle, one tonic, bring me something you know, and 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.040 then bring me a uh, bring me a steak. And 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:31.680 I will always try to find a way around what 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:33.600 he wanted. You know. So he got to a point 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:35.640 where he was like, just order what you want, guys, 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:38.000 it's on me, and don't ever do that. I was like, yo, man, 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:41.960 bring me something that louis out here. Now. He did 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.200 that just to build the team he was trying to build. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.719 He just dove doing it, you know, because it's his team. 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.840 It's ding team building. But I think to me, it 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.040 was more so to keep us together. And I'm like, 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:54.480 I'm like, you got a team, you got to worry 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:56.919 about keeping us together. Now, this was the Lakers, we'd 0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.480 be all over the place. But this team, everybody wanted 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:01.600 to do stuff together. We wanted to go to movies together. 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.719 We wanted to go to comedy shows together. We just 0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:04.920 did a lot of stuff together. 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:08.520 So that's the difference between the Dynasties and Lakers. You know, 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:12.040 they were out and about doing that thing intensil town, Hollywood, 0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.160 Oh Hollywood's good, and then you know. 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:16.560 You're going to comedy shows. Nity. Is that the biggest 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:19.239 difference between the Dynasties. That's that's the biggest diference. And 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.400 because if you really think, you think about the dynamics, 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:25.560 you had a really good guard in Jenobli and Kobe, 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:27.480 you had a really good big and Tim and Shaq, 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.640 and then you had really like Bruce Bourne's pretty much 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.160 our Rick Fox and I was me and me on 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:36.200 both teams. So you look at the culture you have him, 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:40.880 you kind of have mirror images of everybody, but they 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:43.759 had this was probably better in this aspect and vice versa. 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.399 But I just think when you look at this era 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:50.000 of basketball, you always had something center around a really 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:54.960 good big. And for me, even though everybody now looks 0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:56.960 at the madel that Golden State put out there and 0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:59.879 they went in there all their championships, and everybody tries 0:52:59.920 --> 0:53:03.000 to immilate that now, you know, back then it was MLA, 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:08.400 you know, dream MLA, Patrick Ewing, Shack, Tim Duncans, all 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:12.040 these legendary bigs, and now it's all about legendary guards 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:15.560 and not realizing there's only been one team that's one 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:19.000 with the legendary guards outside you know, outside of the Bulls. 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.520 But they had Scotty Pepper, who he's a guard. But 0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:25.719 everybody wants to immlate Golden State wars like it only 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:28.480 happened because you got the two best shooters of all 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:30.840 time on one team. And if you have that you 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:34.480 can do it because you know, Milwaukee wanted big, Lakers 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.399 want it big. You know, look at Denver want it big. 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.600 You gotta have a dominant big to win this game 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:43.600 and be but every now and then you have a 0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:49.080 lucky guy like the Golden State Warriors. I like, I 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:50.200 like seeing them do well. 0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:52.280 I like seeing them, but it's not my squad anymore. 0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:54.120 Yeah, but they still have a good big and Draymond Green. 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:57.399 So Ramon, he's the stir that that that stirs that thing. 0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:59.879 He's the straw that stirs the drink. That's what the saying. 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.000 But when it comes to basketball, I think you always 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:03.960 have to have someone with a little nasty in him. 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:08.120 It's not afraid to like talk trash, elbow someone in 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.040 the mouth or something like that, because you you have 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:12.640 to have that to try to intimidate people. Got to you, 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:15.480 got it? We got any Kobe stories before we go 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.719 to our next summent. I think for me, you know, 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:20.359 when you talk about hard workers, you know, you hear 0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:23.279 the stories and you hear what he's doing, but and 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.960 you appreciate everything. But the thing he had that nobody 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:29.520 ever told me. He had a thirst for knowledge. That's 0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:32.320 what I always say yeah he has. I mean, you 0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:36.600 can talk about football, basketball, the piano, you know, movies, music. 0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:39.840 He had a thirst for everything, you know. I remember 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.279 we were on the plane coming from somewhere. We were 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.520 playing spades and he's sitting there like this, just looking 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:47.759 and just looking because he wanted to learn how to 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:50.000 play space. I'm like, dude, I said, you're black. You're 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:52.600 supposed to have to play space. Dude. He's like, see, 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:54.320 this is what happened. When you don't go to college. 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:58.560 You don't have downtime. We have to play space and 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.400 so and it was just weird that, you know, I 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:04.480 taught him how to play space, and I'm gonna back 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:07.759 this thing up. And the first moment I ever met Kobe, 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.480 I had just got traded to the Lakers and we 0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:14.160 just finished a shoot around and this shoot around. This 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:16.359 dude going like one hundred miles power. I'm like, dude, 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.399 this is shoot around. Calm down. I gotta get better. 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:20.680 I said, you're not gonna get better when we're walking 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.640 and you're running. So after practice he comes over. I 0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:26.239 thought he's gonna you know, I just wanted to get 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:29.319 to know me. He was like, so, how was dream? 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:31.799 He wanted to know how Dream was with, how Dream 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:33.880 footwork were, what kind of work he put in, And 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.479 then he want to know about Vernon's defense because Vernon 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:37.759 was one of the ones that was known to guard 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:40.040 Michael Jordan the best. He just wanted to know. He's 0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:42.439 just picking my brain about everybody I played with because 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:44.879 he's like, you're champion, tom me, how it was. I'm 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.160 like sitting there and we literally sat out the practice 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.479 for like forty five minutes, you know, just talking about 0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.680 my two championships with the with the Rockets and how 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:54.440 it was and how we won and all that kind 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:57.320 of stuff. He was just amazed at, you know, learning 0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:58.640 Dreams footwork. 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:01.040 That is, I mean, that is such a perfect way. 0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:03.160 I don't I didn't know him, but he came and 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:06.600 spoke to our team. Uh And we used to have 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.360 guys all the time come in speak in the off season, 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:14.120 come speak to the team. And that's exactly what I 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:18.319 what I think about when I think of Kobe Bryant. Knowledge, thirsty, yes, 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:22.399 and how diversified. 0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:26.120 His interests were. Yes, and the killer instinct that he had. 0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:27.200 Those are the three things. 0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:29.560 Because he was asking, you know, we broke up into 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.200 some groups, and you know, a couple of us sat 0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:34.719 with them and talked, and he was asking us just 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:36.640 as many questions as we were asking him. 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.680 You know what I mean, Because he wants he loved winning. Yes, 0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:42.000 he just wanted to win. He wanted to do anything. 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:44.640 It took just from the two hours that I got 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.279 to spend around him. Yeah, And I think his intensity 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.600 was too intense for a lot of people, especially in 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:52.440 the basketball world, because if you go back, there was 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.759 a lot of people that didn't like him because they 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:58.279 understand him. He's like he had that philosophy is like 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.359 most people from the ain'ts had, Like I don't want 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:03.279 to be your friend. I'm not trying to go hang 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:05.360 out with you. I'm trying to kick your butt, you know. 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.640 And that's the one thing that I appreciate about what 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:09.520 Yanna said. Now he says, I'm not trying to be 0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:11.839 anybody's friend. You can come play with me and then 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:13.520 I'll be your friend. But other than that, I don't 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:14.759 want to be your friend because if I got to 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:16.200 punch you in the mouth, I gotta punch in the mouth. 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.200 And that's the that's the attitude you gotta have. And 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:21.600 I don't know how it is with you guys like 0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:23.800 I couldn't do with you guys at the end of 0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:25.240 the game. You go out there and you shake hands 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.120 with it. But I can't do that shit unless I 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:30.160 played with him in college. I ain't doing that. You know, 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:31.360 it's definitely changed. 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:33.600 And Brady went on record a couple of days ago 0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:36.040 saying that, you know how it's changed like that. We 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:38.440 I remember I hated the New York Jets when I 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:40.400 first got there. I remember Bart Scott getting in my 0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:43.080 fucking offensive coordinator Billy O'Brien's face. 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:44.200 And saying, fuck you White. 0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:48.920 Literally there's close I'm sitting there, Billy Oh's motherfuck him. 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:50.919 I was like, these people, we really hate this team. 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:54.960 That was my introduction to like hating someone. And uh, 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.280 just a lot of messes that, you know, but that 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:00.480 was that's competition, you know. 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:04.439 And speaking of messes, let's segue to how we clean 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:05.080 up messes. 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:10.480 We have the bounty Wingman question of the day, because 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:13.040 when you have a mess, you know how to clean 0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:17.360 up the mess with the bounty paper. How can you 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:18.120 bring them in here? 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:18.479 Sam? 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:22.320 So we have this wingman question segment. These are the 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:25.000 one not those wings that are so hot when we 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:26.320 don't do that. Here, take one of these. 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:32.400 And it's time for the Bounty wingman question. 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:36.320 Bounty is everyone's favorite wingman because you can't have football 0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:40.280 without wings, and you can't have wings without Bounty. 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:43.640 We got the wings. Let's try these wings. We got 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:47.160 the blue. That's your hun Did you make these yourself? 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:52.040 So my question for you is who is someone from 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:57.280 your career you consider your wingman? Someone you knew that 0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:00.160 when they were on the cord, even without them, you 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.160 could always be like you knew where they're at. Who's 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:05.480 your wing man from the From the Rockets, I had 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:09.160 really two wing men. It was Sam Cassel because we 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:10.920 were you know, same age, came in the league at 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.960 the same time. But when I know, if I'm getting 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:16.040 ready to get into a fight or some you know, 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:19.080 some pushing, and Shoven's gonna be there, Vernon Maxwell right 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:22.000 there behind you, you know, to probably take over the fight. 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:24.200 You got always guys that you bringing his alley. 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:26.920 Yeah. And then when I got to the Lakers, it 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:29.880 was it was more show Rick Fox. Rick Fox was 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.960 my wing man, Rick Yeah. Is he not too pretty 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.480 to be a wing man? No? Rick rick Iss Feiston 0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:37.720 man you forget him, I know, but you wing man 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:39.440 is supposed to But and then you got to think 0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:41.000 about it. If you know, if you're going out in 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:42.680 the town, who better than have a pretty ball with 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.920 you man? You get and the crazy part of his 0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:47.960 ex wife, my ex wife when we were married to 0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:50.200 our best friends now still today because he and I 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:52.880 were wingmen. Yeah, so and then they get the spurs. 0:59:52.920 --> 0:59:54.840 It was. It was Bruce Boyne. You know, we sat 0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:57.160 next to each other on the plane, you know, same 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:59.000 age kind of, and so we just kind of hung out. 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:00.959 So those are my those are wing men's. It's different 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:03.320 when you have three different teams, you know. And if 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:06.760 you for me, it is you always kind of gravitate 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:08.880 towards people who have the same work ethic as you, 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:12.840 who have from similar backgrounds, without a doubt. I wouldn't 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:16.160 say that because some of my wing men, oh you 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:16.600 know they did. 1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:19.600 We didn't have the same backgrounds, but we definitely have 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:23.240 the same values, you know, Matthew Slater, I had different kind. 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:23.720 Of wing man's. 1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:25.440 You know, you have wingman for like if you if 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:29.080 you need some some holiness or or some some loving up, 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:31.720 or you need some to feel good, that was Matthew Slater. 1:00:33.040 --> 1:00:36.080 If I'm going out for a little mischief, I'm gonna 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:37.440 have a little crazy night. 1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:40.920 My wingman's Danny A. Mondola, you know, you know. And 1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:44.720 if I need some production and I need that rock, 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:47.200 my wing man is Brady. I gotta go with Brady. 1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:48.120 You know. 1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:53.560 Bounty and Wings my favorite duo. And that was the 1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:58.360 Bounty wing man question. What a delicious, delicious wing and 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:00.600 even leaner. 1:01:01.880 --> 1:01:04.680 Face because of Bounty. It gets in your beard, right, 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.960 So when you and Danny every went out, did they 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:15.680 ever get y'all confused? No, that's pretty racist. Due it's 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:16.280 a thing. 1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:20.440 No, honestly, it happens all the time. And I say 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:23.080 the same things. 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.760 White guys. Yeah, it's funny. 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:29.400 Because it'll either be you know, they mix you, mix 1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:33.080 you up with Welker Amondola or or or me. 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:35.960 But think about the three of y'all together, which is great. 1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:38.240 We didn't know well, I know you didn't play together. 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:40.240 But I'm just saying, y'all, just the things y'all able 1:01:40.280 --> 1:01:43.560 to do is just pro like will and greatness to me, 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:46.800 and and the precision y'all used to do it, and 1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:51.240 the way that y'all used to just you know, put 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:53.720 your bodies on the line. Was like, I'm like, I 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:56.360 can't do that. Ship you could if it. 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:59.280 Was your field, if mom would have let you play football, 1:01:59.280 --> 1:01:59.760 you would. 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:02.080 Have done it. Man, I got too much area to hit. 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:06.440 Mantonio Gates basketball guys. 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:08.120 Man, they can go out there and make a ball. 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:11.000 But the funny thing is, you said, Sam Cassell, you 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:11.400 know the same. 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.160 You know Sam? He's my boy, is it? Yeah? 1:02:14.040 --> 1:02:18.000 Me and Mondola one day because Sam we got We 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:20.240 linked up one time and we brought him out over 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:25.040 to the bungalow over in Santa Monica. He was coaching, 1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:27.480 I think, and we had a crazy day at the 1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:29.840 bungalow and we've stayed in contact ever since. 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.800 But he's he's because now he's in Boston. He's in Boston. Yeah, 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:36.640 he just hit me up. But Sam's Sam. Yeah, he's 1:02:36.680 --> 1:02:39.080 a good dude. Yeah. We lived across the street from 1:02:39.080 --> 1:02:41.000 each other. When we first got to the Rockets. We 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:43.760 was dry to practice together. We used to complained about 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:45.840 Rudy t not running no plays for us to gether. 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:49.840 We did allowed to have a guy to complain with. Yeah, exactly, Matthew, 1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:56.560 are you sitting there like fuse coach. Yeah, Jackie set 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:57.200 up the stage of. 1:02:57.200 --> 1:02:59.960 This game all right, leading it up. As we mentioned earlier, 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.960 before this game this game five were tied to to 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:07.440 We stressed on the importance of a game five in 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:10.720 these kind of series seventeen the last twenty three winners 1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:13.440 of Game five go on to win the series. That 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:16.640 is true in this instance as well. Each game leading 1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:19.760 up to Game five was decided by double digits, which 1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:21.800 was which was kind of a surprise given this was 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:24.720 This was a battle of two defensive minded teams to 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:27.880 top five defenses pretty evenly matched. 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:33.600 As the day we're defense wins championships, which was it was. 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:36.960 It was surprising that all these games were were double digits, 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:39.520 so people were kind of waiting for that one game 1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:42.040 turned out to be Game five where it was gonna 1:03:42.040 --> 1:03:45.400 be neck and neck overtime down to the wire. The 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:50.280 game before this, Game four was a thirty one, ugly, 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:53.919 one oh two seventy one loss for the Spurs. Pop 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:56.320 called it the worst half of basketball he's seen an 1:03:56.400 --> 1:04:00.960 NBA playoff team play, So I can only imagine how 1:04:01.040 --> 1:04:03.720 that that went. After that game, Robert, you know, it 1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:04.439 was weird. 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:06.920 After that game, Pop was like, you know, he came in, 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:09.720 we just got to ask kick. You know, forget about it. 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:13.040 Let's prepare for tomorrow, go get some rests, and we're 1:04:13.040 --> 1:04:14.960 gonna go on to the next one. It's like and 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:17.320 as a player, when you get your ass kicked, you 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:19.160 know you got and the coach can come in in 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:21.920 and say, because you already pissed, especially in the situation 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:24.320 like this game four, you should have won this game. 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:26.040 You know, you thought you should have won the game, 1:04:26.080 --> 1:04:27.760 but we just got to ask him and see, you 1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:29.960 know what, wash it. And the worst thing they ever 1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:33.480 do to someone is beat them like that because the 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:36.480 next game, you know you're gonna be really pissed off. 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:37.920 So it's that added motivation. 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:41.000 And this was this was tough because, as Robert was 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:42.440 saying earlier, this was back in the days of two 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:45.200 three to two. So you just get your ass kicked there. 1:04:45.240 --> 1:04:47.200 You're hoping to go home these days, you go back 1:04:47.240 --> 1:04:49.240 to your place, you win game five, but we're steal 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:51.680 in Auburn Hills here, So this was this was a 1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:57.040 tough turnaround before game five. Also noted that the series 1:04:57.080 --> 1:04:59.800 prior to this went seven games, so Detroit was kind 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:01.480 of come and off a short wrestling lant two days 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:04.400 two days rest before the series started, So some say 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:07.120 maybe that's why they dropped the first two. I mean, quick, ress, 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:09.960 they got right back into it. This was also the 1:05:10.040 --> 1:05:14.960 first meeting of two NBA Prior champions since eighty seven 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:19.400 Celtics Lakers in this matchup. But yeah, getting into this 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:21.000 all kind of leading up to Game five. 1:05:21.160 --> 1:05:24.320 Man, So I just want to know what's the mindset 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:29.080 going into finals for your team going into this because 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.440 you're you're playing the champs from the year before, but 1:05:31.560 --> 1:05:34.000 you guys were kind of I mean, you're a champ, 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:36.920 you've been champing all your career, but you guys were 1:05:37.000 --> 1:05:39.680 kind of in that process of becoming a team that 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:42.560 had that dynasty, you know what I mean. Yeah, So like, 1:05:42.680 --> 1:05:45.160 how do you what's the mindset going into it as 1:05:45.160 --> 1:05:47.880 a team? And then individually for you, someone who's played 1:05:47.920 --> 1:05:50.600 in every other year is in a fucking championship, So 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:52.800 what made you know? What were the what were the mindsets? 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:56.240 The mindset is to clear your mind of all the 1:05:56.360 --> 1:05:59.680 outside noise and what gonna be My dad is not 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:03.200 the think about tickets, not think about you know, your parents, 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:07.640 your wife, your kids, Because you can get off track. 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:10.000 I know that sounds weird. You know, you think about 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:12.000 your kids, but you just say, you know, you have 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:14.480 a partner that's really good. Did like, I got you, 1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:17.280 this is the most important time in your career. I 1:06:17.400 --> 1:06:20.080 got everything. If anything pops up that I think you 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:22.120 need to be involved in, I'll let you know. But 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:25.320 you clear your mind. So your only focus is basketball. 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:27.320 And that's the one thing about what Popper was really 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:30.440 good about. He was good at showing you not to 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:33.800 do this, not do that, block out this, block out that. 1:06:33.960 --> 1:06:35.800 So the only thing you need to do is basketball. 1:06:35.920 --> 1:06:37.600 And I kind of already knew that though before coming 1:06:37.600 --> 1:06:39.720 into the situation. I learned that, you know, dealing with 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:42.520 you know, the Rockets and the Lakers and five championships 1:06:42.560 --> 1:06:44.959 before this one, and so you learn how to block 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:47.360 out the noise. And my whole thing was I used 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:50.840 to always take a moment and just kind of meditate 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:54.120 and do visualization. That was my key, where I vision 1:06:54.160 --> 1:06:56.000 the ball going in, the vision the ball going in, 1:06:56.320 --> 1:06:59.600 you know, locking this up, playing this role defense, thinking 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:02.000 about my opponent has to do, and going over the 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:05.400 plays and these were all things that you know I 1:07:05.520 --> 1:07:09.160 would do personally and then you know that, you know, 1:07:09.480 --> 1:07:12.080 and I would tell like Tim like like dude, I'd 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:14.480 be in his ear like, you Knowshid kicks your ass man, 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:17.800 you know, little motivating things like that. And I would 1:07:17.800 --> 1:07:20.960 go to Genova, Yo, man, just play wild and fierce, 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:23.400 but under control. And you look at me, like what 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:26.160 I said, play wild and fish under control. When I 1:07:26.160 --> 1:07:28.880 say under control means if it's not one hundred percent 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:31.280 sure you can get that pass to a guy, don't 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:33.360 throw it. It's like, okay, gotcha. And you had to 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:35.000 just and some of the guys you talked to Tony, 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:37.280 I would Tony, just played under control. I love Tony. 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:39.320 You didn't really to say much to him. So it 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:42.200 was all these things that within the game, within the 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:44.200 game that we had to do to prepare. But it was, 1:07:44.480 --> 1:07:46.320 it was. It was a hell of a series. 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:50.240 People don't realize that the distractions that come with going 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:53.640 into a championship series for you guys, for a game. 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:55.000 For us, that was the thing. 1:07:55.080 --> 1:07:56.720 You know, like as soon as you made to the 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:58.880 Super Bowl, we'd have that week off and you go 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:01.560 into you know, you you had to deal with tickets, 1:08:01.840 --> 1:08:05.280 getting the hotels for your family, friends, getting all that 1:08:05.880 --> 1:08:09.440 situated in the first two days so you could literally 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:13.520 do everything you could to win the game. Because this 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:16.160 is one thing Belichick used to tell us. He goes, 1:08:17.040 --> 1:08:18.760 you know, if you want to go out and have 1:08:19.120 --> 1:08:23.400 fun with your family, this that you know, and you 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:26.120 lose the game, it ain't gonna be a good memory. 1:08:26.960 --> 1:08:27.960 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:31.800 You do all this, it's for your The festivities are 1:08:31.840 --> 1:08:34.599 for your family. You go out and win, You're gonna 1:08:34.600 --> 1:08:36.960 have the greatest memory of your life, you know what 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:40.880 I mean. So put everything that you can control, your 1:08:40.960 --> 1:08:44.800 blinders on, do extra of the little things so you 1:08:44.920 --> 1:08:50.439 can go out and play fast, free and subconsciously like 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:52.560 dialed for the game, you know what I mean. And 1:08:53.040 --> 1:08:55.720 it's crazy to hear you talk about visualization, because I 1:08:55.840 --> 1:08:58.439 used to do that every every day, you know, with 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:01.760 I do these bald drills off the walls to get 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:04.080 my eyes right for the day, you know, so for 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:07.120 reactions and ship and I would always want I was 1:09:07.200 --> 1:09:09.880 doing and I was visualizing, you know, catch hit cat, 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:11.439 you know what I mean, all those little things. And 1:09:11.520 --> 1:09:15.439 it's crazy how far that takes an athlete, you know, So. 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:18.200 Did it take did it carry over into your dreams though. 1:09:18.600 --> 1:09:20.800 Yeah, but I had the same dream since I was 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:21.360 like twelve. 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:25.960 I had a coach. His name was I think it was. 1:09:27.800 --> 1:09:33.280 He was an older guy soccer football, football's. 1:09:34.080 --> 1:09:37.840 I think it's he's Polly and uh. I remember he 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:40.240 was teaching me. I was a little running back and 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:43.120 he I remember him telling me about this. You got 1:09:43.240 --> 1:09:45.439 to use a stiff arm too when you're on the sideline. 1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:48.880 Stiff arm and a spin so the guy overruns it. 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:49.760 And you can throw him by. 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:52.800 And I've had and I had the same dream where 1:09:52.840 --> 1:09:57.360 I was at Santa Clara High School playing against Oak 1:09:57.439 --> 1:10:00.920 Grove and I did the move and I scored. I 1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:02.840 still have that dream of this day, Like I don't 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:03.120 know why. 1:10:03.200 --> 1:10:06.920 It's crazy like for me, I would literally have that 1:10:07.200 --> 1:10:09.720 and then my wife, my first wife, would wake me up, 1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:12.680 like you're doing it again. I'm literally playing a game 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:14.400 and we literally have to get up and change the 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:17.360 sheets because I would literally be sweating like I played 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:19.280 the game. It was the weirdest thing ever. And that 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:21.439 shows you how powerful the mind is if you can 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:23.320 you know, believe it, achieve it, and see if you 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:26.120 can do it. So it was like crazy, how like okay, 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:28.240 then I go out another game like that's one of 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:30.599 the when I had those dreams like that, I usually 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:32.800 shot the ball really good the next game because my 1:10:32.960 --> 1:10:34.280 mind just took over. Yeah. 1:10:34.920 --> 1:10:36.280 So it's a back and forth night. 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:37.760 Yeah all night. 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:41.240 Were there any of the big game adjustments from Pop 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:42.360 at halftime or anything. 1:10:42.680 --> 1:10:45.280 No, The only big game adjustment was me at halftime 1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:47.640 because I think I was zero for three or oh 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:50.519 for four. I sucked in the first at And I 1:10:50.800 --> 1:10:54.040 remember sitting in the corner, and I like to always 1:10:54.040 --> 1:10:56.200 put my locker in the corner doing the playoffs, So 1:10:56.400 --> 1:10:58.599 you know, no distracts even from my teammates with guys 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:00.920 listening to their music. As a girl, you know, talking 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:03.479 on the phone. I was like I was literally there 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:06.479 talking to myself, and I could see Bruce Boyn kind 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:08.960 of look at me because I was like saying, Yo, Rob, 1:11:09.000 --> 1:11:10.960 you fucking sucked the night you're supposed to be big 1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:14.160 shop Bob, you fucking terrible. I'm telling myself that I said, 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:15.840 you got to get going. You know this, you don't 1:11:16.000 --> 1:11:17.639 you don't win this game, you might lose, I'm telling 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:20.080 And Bruce is looking at me like this dude going crazy, right, 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:23.920 And so I and I rarely do that. And then 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:25.600 I did that, and then next thing, you know, I 1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:27.400 come out in the second half, I just ball out 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:32.040 because it's you have to play those mind tricks with yourself. 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:35.000 Sometimes you have to talk yourself into a moment. And 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:37.280 I talk myself to me to one of the greatest 1:11:37.320 --> 1:11:39.960 moments in NBA history as far as like you know, 1:11:40.160 --> 1:11:42.320 dropping twenty one with no plays call for you and 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:44.760 not being the main car get the machine. So I 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:47.080 just felt like, Okay, I did what I needed to 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:48.280 do to get me over that hump. 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:54.000 Talking yourself into moments, folks, kids, talk yourself in the moments, 1:11:54.040 --> 1:11:56.360 says Bruce Lee used to say when you say negative 1:11:56.439 --> 1:11:59.280 things in your mind. I don't know the actual quote, 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:02.519 but I should set it on Instagram, you know. 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:05.599 But it stays there. It stays there, and it all. 1:12:05.680 --> 1:12:07.400 It all boils down to what Rob said before this 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:10.639 game in the presser. A lot of people talk to talk. 1:12:10.880 --> 1:12:12.240 We gotta go out there and walk the walk. 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:15.880 You gotta you gotta take us, you gotta take us. Okay, 1:12:16.160 --> 1:12:18.800 They're back and forth, back and forth. We're here to 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:21.040 talk about one thing, and one thing. Take us through 1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:22.240 the last shot. Beat by beat. 1:12:22.479 --> 1:12:26.120 Well, you know, we're sitting there. The play was actually 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:29.000 for my Minu Genoble. It wasn't for me. I was 1:12:29.040 --> 1:12:32.519 supposed to mbound into Minu and then set a pick, 1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:34.559 pick and roll for so he can get to the rat. 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:38.280 And so I'm seeing him come off the pick from 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:40.760 Tim and I was like, Okay, the only past I 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:43.280 can do is to bounce pass, because that's the only 1:12:43.360 --> 1:12:45.599 I can get to a bounce path. And bounce passes 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:48.560 I hate, but sometimes you got. And when I bounced it, 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:51.759 Rashid kind of looked at it like, oh, he's really close, 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:55.120 so he went for the trap, and so I just 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:58.200 stepped in and I was on fire. So I wasn't 1:12:58.240 --> 1:12:59.400 going to try to put it on the floor to 1:12:59.479 --> 1:13:02.320 create for you anyone. So I took the shot and 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:05.719 and after I was watching, I didn't realize Tayshawn Prince, 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:08.200 one of the best defensive players in the game. He 1:13:08.400 --> 1:13:11.360 almost blocked the shot. But when you so focused on 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.639 your shot, you don't even see him. And then next 1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:16.439 thing you know, it rattles in and we go up, 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:21.640 we go up, and we win this game. Man. You know, 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:23.719 it's just you know, you know, I noticing the clip 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:26.960 earlier that you had. You showed Eminem up there, and 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:30.320 I never talked trash. And Eminem was behind the bench, 1:13:30.400 --> 1:13:32.559 said you won't be getting number six to night, buddy, 1:13:33.040 --> 1:13:35.200 and I looked at him, and so I started talking 1:13:35.280 --> 1:13:38.200 trash to Eminem because I said, I said, after they 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:40.040 hit that first, I said, you in fucking trouble now, dog, 1:13:40.280 --> 1:13:43.240 they better fucking get me. I SAIDs on s. He 1:13:43.439 --> 1:13:45.880 just started smiling, right. He didn't say much. And then 1:13:45.920 --> 1:13:48.439 after I did this dunk on rip, I looked at 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:51.720 him like, I told you, it's fucking over. So it 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:53.439 was just it was just one of those things. I 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:56.800 never talked trash. But when someone talks trash me and 1:13:57.160 --> 1:13:59.680 it's Eminem, you know, one of the greatest rappers all 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:02.120 the time, go we them. Yeah, And so I had 1:14:02.160 --> 1:14:04.640 to talk trash back to her man. So moment we 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:06.920 got to rename this game. This is the Eminem game. 1:14:07.960 --> 1:14:12.320 Eminem, thank you for talking ship the big shot Bob, 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:16.680 because it made him talk himself into a moment. He 1:14:16.800 --> 1:14:18.400 talked himself into a moment. 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:20.719 Twenty one points in the last seventeen minutes. 1:14:20.880 --> 1:14:23.600 Twenty one points in the last seventeen. 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:27.080 We also got who's who of Michigan here tonight. Chris 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:29.599 Weber's in the building. Jalen Rose is in the building. 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:32.600 Barry Sanders is in the Barry Sanders, tom Izzo's in 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:34.439 the building. Michael Moore's in the building. 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:37.040 We got we got Kid Rocket. 1:14:36.439 --> 1:14:39.960 Rock Car America the Beautiful before the game. Yeah, Penny Marshall, 1:14:40.080 --> 1:14:42.720 the homie, is in the building. Just to name a few. 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:44.519 How'd you guys become tight? 1:14:44.600 --> 1:14:47.519 By the way, uh, you know Lakers with the Lakers, 1:14:47.800 --> 1:14:50.880 My seats used to be behind Penny Marshall's seats for 1:14:50.920 --> 1:14:55.360 the Lakers, and my middle son was he will always 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:58.800 come to the court and give me a hug before 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:01.880 the games, and and Penny would see the relationship we had. 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:05.240 So next thing, I know, two games later, I'm looking, 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:08.640 He's sitting in Penny's lap eating Krispy Kreme, and I'm like, 1:15:08.920 --> 1:15:10.599 what the hell going on? He just I just loved 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:13.320 She's like, I just love your son. And that's the 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:17.880 one thing about you know, the Lakers season ticket holes 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:20.479 that sit on the court some of the nicest people 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:23.160 you ever meet, and if you treat them with respect, 1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:25.479 they gonna you know, you know, develop a relationship I 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:28.599 remember this one lady. I can't. I can't. I cannot 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:32.960 remember her name anymore. But I fell on her doing 1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:34.720 the game and I tried to avoid her, but it's 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:36.720 one of these ones you can't avoid. And she was 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:38.519 the elder lady. Every game I will go out and 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:41.240 ask her how she's doing actually doing so. She remember 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:43.720 like three games before the season, she came to me. 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.160 She's like, Robert, come over. She's like, I said, how 1:15:46.200 --> 1:15:48.400 are you? She says, don't you have a sick daughter. 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:50.720 I'm like yeah. She says, do you mind if I 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:53.280 get your address and send you something like sure, I 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:57.680 don't mind. So season's over. Next thing, I get this 1:15:57.800 --> 1:16:00.320 big ass box on my front step. I'm like, what 1:16:00.400 --> 1:16:03.120 the heck is this? And it was from her. Apparently 1:16:03.400 --> 1:16:06.080 her husband was one of the guys who worked for 1:16:06.160 --> 1:16:09.240 Disney that died in that plane crash way way back, 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:11.080 and she was a part of Disney. She seen me 1:16:11.240 --> 1:16:13.760 all this Disney stuff for my kids. I mean, my 1:16:13.880 --> 1:16:17.040 kids room were decorated Disney. I gave out Christmas gifts 1:16:17.120 --> 1:16:19.280 for kids in the neighborhood with Disneys for long cause 1:16:19.520 --> 1:16:21.479 she just sent me a whole box of stuff. Man, 1:16:21.560 --> 1:16:24.479 it was just it was just That's but I'll always 1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:27.400 tell people it's about the relationships that you make with 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:30.519 the people in so many guys are arrogant, they are 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:33.240 like they're above the people that come to these games. 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:35.680 I always, you know, speak to fans, and you know, 1:16:35.760 --> 1:16:36.960 I try to talk to them when I'm in a 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:38.840 good movie. That's what I'm always in it. But you 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:40.920 just try to form those relationships because you never know 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:44.120 who you're talking to, especially with you know, people that 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:45.160 you see so often. 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:48.719 Like I had a couple, you know, fans that became 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:52.679 real close friends, Susan Reagan, Trish Kennedy, you know these 1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:55.200 ladies that like they were they were like our team moms. 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:57.719 Okay, you know what I mean that, Like they always 1:16:57.720 --> 1:16:58.280 took care of us. 1:16:58.320 --> 1:17:00.559 They were always at every charity event that were holding, 1:17:01.240 --> 1:17:04.360 you know, and just sweet people. And that's the cool 1:17:04.400 --> 1:17:08.360 thing about sport. It's it's a community that allows you 1:17:08.920 --> 1:17:11.040 to learn people that you never thought you'd get to learn, 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:11.719 Like who. 1:17:11.800 --> 1:17:14.559 Like I remember one time I got a phone call 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:18.120 from Jack Nicholson actually invite me to a party. I 1:17:18.200 --> 1:17:20.519 got a call from Seldom High. Did he give you 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:22.920 a voicemail or is his voice just sounds so cool. 1:17:23.200 --> 1:17:25.439 He has the coolest voice. Is he has the coolest voice? 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:26.400 How did do you say? Hey? 1:17:26.479 --> 1:17:26.679 Rob? 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:30.880 He says, I have an event I want to invite 1:17:30.920 --> 1:17:33.400 you to. You come, I says, yes, I come, all right? 1:17:33.439 --> 1:17:35.680 See that it was really quick, comfortable. It's not like 1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:37.680 it was like straight to the point. I'm like, in 1:17:37.720 --> 1:17:39.320 the back of your mind, like, how the hell you 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:40.880 get my number in the same And I know I 1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:43.040 knew how Sea High it got my number, and it 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:45.800 was just it was just playing in La you get 1:17:45.840 --> 1:17:48.599 to meet these celebrities who are such fans of yours 1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:52.160 and vice versa. So it's I said, the Lakers are 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:54.120 the best organizations to play for, not just for the 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:56.320 fact that they always win and and they take care 1:17:56.320 --> 1:17:58.640 of their family, but the people you have access to. 1:17:58.960 --> 1:18:02.559 Yeah, wow, you talked to Sheet or Chauncey. 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:06.840 Oh Shot. I talked to Sheet about it. I talked 1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:09.040 because she's cool to say. I have never No, I 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:11.080 never talked to Chance about it. You know. I think 1:18:11.360 --> 1:18:13.640 I think being Chance to have a rival that he 1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:17.360 don't know about is because he calls himself missed big shot, 1:18:17.520 --> 1:18:19.920 And I'm like, dude, really, you just can't take my 1:18:20.080 --> 1:18:21.639 name and throw miss on the front of him, try 1:18:21.680 --> 1:18:25.599 to make it yours. You can't. I mean, how many 1:18:25.640 --> 1:18:27.400 how many rings he got? What he got? 1:18:27.439 --> 1:18:27.479 What? 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:29.559 Three? Two? What do you go? You got as many 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:33.080 as me? That's all I know, one alive other than 1:18:34.120 --> 1:18:35.160 sir ru Yeah. 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:39.680 Wow, Chauncey's only got one year before. Yeah, Johnson only 1:18:39.760 --> 1:18:40.840 got one year before. 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:44.240 Yeah he does player though. Yeah, I love Chance you know, 1:18:44.920 --> 1:18:47.880 doing good, big things with Portland right now. Chaunce and 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:50.519 I want we have the same common really good friend 1:18:50.600 --> 1:18:53.600 Roy Rogers, not the actor of the basketball player, and 1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:56.000 he you know, we both went his wedding. So I 1:18:56.080 --> 1:18:58.840 love Chancey, but I'm the real big shot, not him with. 1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:02.880 Doubt And it doesn't even sound right, big shot, big 1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:06.800 shot Chance, big shot billups Nah, big shot Bob. 1:19:08.280 --> 1:19:11.040 Bob just rolls off the tome. What about Bob? Remember 1:19:11.080 --> 1:19:15.559 that movie? Yeah? Yeah, that's that's one thing. You realize 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:17.719 that you watch a lot of movies when you travel 1:19:17.720 --> 1:19:19.640 a lot in the NBA, y'all, y'all, I think what 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:21.920 y'all travel? Like? What seven times? Maybe if that ten? 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:24.320 Like we're traveling all the time. So I used to 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:26.200 have just a laundry list of movies that have my 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:28.960 little I don't remember what they called it, but it 1:19:29.000 --> 1:19:31.080 had all the movies on it. I just watched movie 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:32.720 for days. Even the team used to come like, Rob, 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:34.840 what's good to watch? Because I'm just a movie free Yeah. 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:38.400 Yeah, we have a lot of downtime at our house, 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:41.000 you know what I mean. So like you're at the 1:19:41.120 --> 1:19:44.439 facility for twelve thirteen hours, twelve hours and do that. Man, 1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:47.160 then you know, you get home and there'd be a 1:19:47.200 --> 1:19:49.040 lot of video game guys, a lot of movie guys, 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:50.800 you know, and then you got your guys that are 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:52.200 single and mingling. 1:19:52.320 --> 1:19:55.000 Yeah, because I think I think y'all would y'all have 1:19:55.040 --> 1:19:56.240 to be at the facility with like an eight in 1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:58.960 the morning eight, you know, I'd get there probably fifteen. 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:02.280 I like to get my routine in before because I 1:20:02.800 --> 1:20:03.000 had to. 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:06.320 I'd have to like do I'd like get my body right, 1:20:06.360 --> 1:20:08.960 I'd get a lift in, I'd do my ball drills. 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:11.240 I had like a routine of things that made me 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:14.479 comfortable to go out and have my best day, you know. 1:20:15.320 --> 1:20:17.519 And I saw the I saw the guys before me 1:20:17.640 --> 1:20:20.400 that were around for a long time that did that, 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:24.320 you know, the Troy Brown's, the Tom's, the Kevin Falkes, 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:27.880 the Teddy Brusk. He's like, you know, you watch when 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:30.599 you're a young guy and you watch, you watch the studs. 1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:32.160 You know, at least that's what I did. 1:20:32.200 --> 1:20:34.559 I watched them and I'd sit and they were always 1:20:34.600 --> 1:20:37.880 doing something to make themselves better, you know. And you 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:40.040 know I didn't have a wife or you know, I 1:20:40.080 --> 1:20:42.320 didn't have I was a mercenary bro. I was there 1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:45.760 for football, you know, pretty much my whole career. I 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:49.240 had my daughter, you know, probably my eighth ninth year, 1:20:49.880 --> 1:20:53.280 eighth year, but you know, like when it was football time, 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:55.320 everyone knew that it was football time. 1:20:56.000 --> 1:20:58.360 That's that's the thing about you know, you talk about 1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:01.200 the two sports that you guys are way more I 1:21:01.280 --> 1:21:03.600 think sometimes they're way more disciplined when it comes to 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:06.960 your craft because for us, it's like we have those 1:21:07.040 --> 1:21:09.120 days when you shoot the ball back. Okay, I gotta 1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:11.920 get there early and get some shots up because a 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:14.320 typical day for us is, you know, you might get 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:16.840 there like this is different for the guys like Cob 1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:19.080 will get there eight o'clock practices at eleven o'clock. He 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:21.639 gets there like I would get to practice at ten o'clock. 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:25.080 Practice is over at one o'clock. I'm probably out to 1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:27.920 do about three o'clock. You know, it's almost half the 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.599 time you guys do because you got meetings. We hardly 1:21:30.600 --> 1:21:31.400 ever had meetings. 1:21:31.600 --> 1:21:34.599 You know, when everything comes down to you performing once 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:37.320 a week for three hours, you know, you have to 1:21:37.400 --> 1:21:42.640 make sure you get every kind of thing tendency, you know, 1:21:43.080 --> 1:21:46.559 film that like you dial and put your eggs all 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:48.640 in that one basket. You know, you can't afford to 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:51.479 slip a game. You know, every game there's only seventeen 1:21:51.600 --> 1:21:54.160 now there were sixteen when I was playing. You know, 1:21:54.240 --> 1:21:57.000 every game means something, which in basketball, you guys could 1:21:57.040 --> 1:21:59.720 go and you know, you guys have a couple off 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:01.360 night in Miami or something. 1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:06.120 But you got eighty six more, uh no, eighty two 1:22:06.200 --> 1:22:08.240 game season. You drop one game, you can make it 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:10.920 up on a team like that, someone's injured or you 1:22:11.120 --> 1:22:13.200 just like have one of those hot shooting nights. Yeah. 1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:18.920 So the final score ninety six, ninety five, they couldn't 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:20.960 there was one one second left. 1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:24.920 They couldn't do anything. You go on, you get the. 1:22:25.000 --> 1:22:28.000 Ship, you get your sixth ring. 1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:30.920 How come you guys, couldn't go back to back. People 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:33.120 in San Antonio get mad at me for telling this story. 1:22:33.240 --> 1:22:36.120 I'm gonna tell it. So you know, that's the year 1:22:36.160 --> 1:22:41.080 the Dallas Mavericks won. Yeah so they So we playing Dallas. 1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:47.920 We're up three in game seven, were up three. He says, 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:52.519 don't file. If they get a layup, fine, take it out. 1:22:52.960 --> 1:22:56.679 So Derek has it. He goes to the whole Man 1:22:56.680 --> 1:23:00.360 New thousand and one, goes to the free throw line, 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:03.920 makes the free though, we go in overtime. We lose, 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:09.040 and so they go on to win that championship. And 1:23:09.160 --> 1:23:13.679 if Monu doesn't file, we you know, we win that game. 1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:16.599 We win game seven, We're going to win that series. 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:17.599 Were going to the finals. 1:23:17.640 --> 1:23:20.960 So we not give them the sit down before the game. 1:23:23.080 --> 1:23:24.719 We got to play fast hard. 1:23:25.960 --> 1:23:30.519 But if the passes we said, we literally said do 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:34.880 not foul in the huddle. Later maybe it was we 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:35.719 needed Spanish. 1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:38.320 You know they say Spanish different in Argentina. 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:43.000 It's like not kay. Maybe yeah. So and then people 1:23:43.080 --> 1:23:45.640 get mad at me, like I'm not blaming Mono, do 1:23:45.680 --> 1:23:47.920 you know me for that? I'm not blaming him, but 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:50.960 I'm just saying, if we win that game, we three 1:23:51.040 --> 1:23:54.160 peat three. So I'm sitting here at eight time championship 1:23:54.400 --> 1:23:56.880 and Brady is still want to go to catch me. 1:23:57.600 --> 1:24:02.479 Come on, Tommy gotta come on. You know you gotta 1:24:02.520 --> 1:24:02.880 come back. 1:24:03.080 --> 1:24:03.280 Yeah. 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:07.280 Now, what's your best championship parade story? 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:10.800 Is it from here? Is it from la? Is it 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:15.400 from where? Is it? I? You know, Houston? I would 1:24:15.439 --> 1:24:17.920 have to say Houston. And the only reason I'm gonna 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:21.880 say Houston is because we went back to back. I 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:24.200 ain't gonna lie. I got so hammered that night after 1:24:24.280 --> 1:24:27.000 that game. You think about it, we swept the Orlando Magic. 1:24:27.120 --> 1:24:30.360 We went back to back, a sixth seed. I'm hammered. 1:24:31.000 --> 1:24:35.519 I wake up in some girls apartment. It's not it 1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:37.719 was my buddy's girlfriend. I wake up in an apartment. 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:39.519 I'm like on the floor and of a tree. I 1:24:39.560 --> 1:24:42.720 think I'm literally outside and I look at my You know, 1:24:42.800 --> 1:24:45.719 this is before cell phones, so I look at my watch. 1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:49.719 It was eleven o'clock. The parade starts at eleven o'clock. 1:24:50.840 --> 1:24:53.880 So literally, if people look at the parade the second parade, 1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:56.120 it was held up because I didn't make it there 1:24:56.160 --> 1:24:58.640 on time. You talk about not being on time, but 1:24:59.040 --> 1:25:03.400 I had to go home shower, explaining my fiance what happened, 1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:05.960 and she looking at me cross side and she was 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:08.840 like And then we went to the parade and I 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:11.080 got it was I was so hungover on the prayer. 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:13.719 I'm like this on the fire truck waving up people. 1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:16.439 I was just that's the memorable, you know. The LA 1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:18.439 one was nice too, though. To see all the fans 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:21.479 come out for LA and see Mark Mattson dance, it 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:23.960 was just it was bananas for that because I grew 1:25:24.040 --> 1:25:26.519 up a Lakers fan and to be able to finally 1:25:26.600 --> 1:25:29.960 bring a championship to the Lakers after having great years 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:33.000 in the Forumhound four All Stars, getting swept by all 1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:35.599 the drama that we had, and then being a new building, 1:25:35.680 --> 1:25:38.080 the State per Center, and bring that championship back to LA. 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:40.519 It was an amazing feeling. You know, they're two different, 1:25:40.600 --> 1:25:43.160 you know, reasons why you love certain things, and when 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:46.240 you win championship. You know, on multiple teams, there's always 1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:48.960 a factor for everything, but the San Antonio ones. But 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:50.800 I hate to say this was kind of boring because 1:25:50.840 --> 1:25:53.160 we just went around the riverwalk, you know what I mean, 1:25:53.520 --> 1:25:56.000 and the people, the fans, the Sanatori fans are bananas 1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:58.720 and freaks. But I want to be able to know, 1:25:58.920 --> 1:26:02.120 you know, look not up at fans, looking down the fans, 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:03.880 not nothing. I don't mean in a bad way, because 1:26:04.040 --> 1:26:05.800 you can throw them shirts and stuff like that and 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:09.120 you have it's a better interaction, you know, in San 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:11.360 Antonio in the middle of the river walk and the 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:14.240 people up here and it's they can't throw bees and 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:16.880 confitte on you because you can't pollute the riverwalk. So 1:26:16.960 --> 1:26:19.080 that's what That's what I mean by that. So because 1:26:19.320 --> 1:26:21.120 I have to be careful what I say, because people 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:24.040 in San Antonio always feel like I'm just bashing them 1:26:24.040 --> 1:26:28.439 when I'm not. I mean, it's probably a little different. 1:26:28.520 --> 1:26:28.640 You know. 1:26:28.840 --> 1:26:32.959 My my parade moments are, you know, going down Boilston 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.920 on a duck boat, almost getting hitting the head with 1:26:34.960 --> 1:26:38.720 a beer, catching a couple, chugging them, throwing them. It's 1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:42.400 so crazy. The parades I used to try. I used 1:26:42.400 --> 1:26:44.240 to tream, like Ferris Bueller day off. Did you on 1:26:44.360 --> 1:26:45.479 top of the fucking floats? 1:26:45.640 --> 1:26:47.519 Did you have your shirt off? A couple of times 1:26:49.000 --> 1:26:53.559 it was like twenty degrees. You know, that's the thing 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:56.320 that every parade now, every athlete has to take this 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:58.320 shirt off and show off their body, like, look at me, 1:26:58.439 --> 1:27:01.080 I got I got a six pack eight fact, I'm ripped. 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:05.880 I was in a T shirt definitely shouldn't have been 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:10.320 T shirt. Whether well, let's let's let's get into this. 1:27:10.439 --> 1:27:13.599 Where does Pop rank among the greatest coaches of all time? 1:27:13.720 --> 1:27:17.120 Is it Pop or is it coach Jackson? You know what, 1:27:17.360 --> 1:27:20.880 It's different, they're they're they're different but the same. The 1:27:21.000 --> 1:27:24.040 fact that you know, Phil wasn't a yeller. He wouldn't 1:27:24.120 --> 1:27:26.519 yell at you. Pop will yell at you. And that's 1:27:26.560 --> 1:27:29.280 the difference in them. But they all emphasized defense and 1:27:29.439 --> 1:27:32.080 you know, doing your job. You know, we responsible for 1:27:32.080 --> 1:27:34.760 you number and then re responsible for the team. And 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:37.120 I think those are the two things that that that 1:27:37.560 --> 1:27:40.440 you can compare them with. And they had a control 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:43.720 of the team, and they had a respect from the team, 1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:48.559 because once you coach great players that guys view as 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:52.160 great ones, and you win a championship with those great ones, 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:54.880 you're gonna get the ultimate respect for us and and 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:58.560 for me though, it's like I look at them and 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:00.680 everybody once you always pick When I said, why do 1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:01.920 I have to pick just one? 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:04.080 You know what I mean? I love both of them. 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:06.519 But I, you know, but it's weird though I never 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:08.880 had a relationship with either one of those guys. I 1:28:08.960 --> 1:28:11.320 had a relationship with Rudy T when I played with 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:14.320 the Rockets, neither one of those guys, because that was 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:16.720 more so on my end because I had such a 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:19.640 great relationship with Rudy T. And when they traded me 1:28:19.760 --> 1:28:21.720 to Phoenix, I felt like that was a stab in 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:24.600 the back. So I never wanted to have a relationship 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:28.400 with coaches anymore. You went from personal slash business or 1:28:28.439 --> 1:28:32.519 just straight business. Yeah, it's hard. People don't realize that. 1:28:33.120 --> 1:28:37.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's why some coaches, you could say, 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:40.880 are like that with certain players, you know, the straight business, 1:28:40.960 --> 1:28:43.120 because they know there's going to be a time where 1:28:43.680 --> 1:28:44.759 feelings get involved. 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:48.720 And for me, you know, it's a business from day 1:28:48.800 --> 1:28:50.720 one because you're getting paid for it, and you shouldn't, like, 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:53.200 you know, people get their feelings involved. And I had 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:54.680 to said, all right, on the flip end of this, 1:28:54.960 --> 1:28:57.680 what would you do if this was your business and 1:28:57.760 --> 1:29:01.400 you had an employee who wasn't living up to your expectations? 1:29:01.720 --> 1:29:04.200 Would you keep them around just because you love him? Oh? 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:06.000 You put them out to passion. And that's just how 1:29:06.200 --> 1:29:08.719 you know sports is. You gotta understand it's a business. 1:29:08.840 --> 1:29:11.599 You're gonna make money. These these the reason these guys 1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:15.479 own these teams, these billionaires, because they are no nonsense 1:29:15.560 --> 1:29:17.360 type of guys, and so you got to take it 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:19.679 like that. It is a production business. 1:29:20.400 --> 1:29:24.240 You know what's more impressive winning seven rings with one 1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:27.800 team or seven rings with three teams? 1:29:28.479 --> 1:29:30.160 You know, I'll be honest, I think if you can 1:29:30.200 --> 1:29:33.200 win seven rings with one team, and this era is 1:29:33.400 --> 1:29:37.160 impressive because you got to think about the turnover and 1:29:37.280 --> 1:29:40.880 the other teams trying to build their team to beat you. 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:44.080 There's so many teams that you say, Okay, I'm going 1:29:44.160 --> 1:29:46.680 to have this guy just for shock. So I need 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:48.200 to know the files. I had the file because you 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:50.760 look at the way the Sacramento Kings were built. They 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:52.840 had like two guys that sound the bench, didn't play 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:55.679 all year until they played the LA Lakers. The beat 1:29:55.760 --> 1:29:58.200 up shock and you got and these teams do that 1:29:58.320 --> 1:30:01.000 because it's it's reality. Like when you sit down, like 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:03.760 right now in the NBA, everybody's like, we need to 1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:06.080 find a way to beat Yokics. That's what every team 1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:09.080 is saying because he's such a dominant player on the 1:30:09.160 --> 1:30:11.920 offensive end, you know, the defensive end. We need to 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:14.360 beat Yokis. You know, before it was how to beat Curry, 1:30:14.600 --> 1:30:16.400 but now it's how to beat your Yokis because he's 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:18.160 on top of the ground, on top of the hill. 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:21.479 So that's what every team does. They try to figure 1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:23.080 out how to beat you. And for you to win 1:30:23.320 --> 1:30:27.080 that many championships in the road means everything everybody threw 1:30:27.080 --> 1:30:28.680 out you, U was able to dodge it and get 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:31.639 to your mountaintop. So I say seven, but it's don't 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:34.960 get me wrong. Now, seven championships in general is hard 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:35.240 to win. 1:30:35.400 --> 1:30:39.560 Yeah, So with the constant turnover of teams now and 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:44.680 the parody in the league and new guys coming, is 1:30:44.720 --> 1:30:47.240 anyone ever going to get seven rings again? 1:30:47.360 --> 1:30:51.000 You know, I don't. I don't believe so. And I think, 1:30:51.120 --> 1:30:54.200 you know, I thought it would be Lebron, but I 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:56.040 don't think it's going to be Lebron now. I hope 1:30:56.080 --> 1:30:58.559 so because that means the Lakers win championships. That means, 1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:01.120 you know, I get another ring because I'm a part 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:03.600 of the Lakers staff. But and I don't think and 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:07.160 if you look at Steph unless he goes to another team, 1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:10.080 and I don't think he will because of the lord 1:31:10.160 --> 1:31:13.839 the factor there. I don't see it, and there's nobody 1:31:13.960 --> 1:31:17.200 else that's even you know, close to that, I think 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:19.680 who I think Lebron and Steph are the only ones 1:31:19.760 --> 1:31:22.080 that have four rings. Then that means they got to 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:25.400 win it three more years, so they can't. Then how 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:30.479 you're gonna make the playoffs. I think he's an incredible player, 1:31:30.960 --> 1:31:34.280 I think, but young. He's young. But my my roocular 1:31:34.360 --> 1:31:38.559 year is chet Check Holmern because he's basically what Wenby 1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:42.320 was last year as far as physicality. He was that skinny, 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:44.559 but because he got hurt, he was able to get 1:31:44.600 --> 1:31:47.240 in the weight room, put some some weight on it, 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:50.240 and start to understanding the NBA game. So I think 1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:53.040 in about three to four years, you know, he's gonna 1:31:53.040 --> 1:31:56.519 be a beast to continue because he's so he's so skilled. 1:31:56.560 --> 1:31:58.960 He's able to block shots from forty feet away. So 1:31:59.040 --> 1:32:01.160 it's just gonna be amazing what he's able to do 1:32:01.880 --> 1:32:03.559 once he gets a little weight and a little bit 1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:05.400 more NBA knowledge. Yeah. 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:07.960 I mean I've only watched him a couple of times 1:32:08.520 --> 1:32:11.519 and you can definitely see, you know, the Euro game 1:32:11.600 --> 1:32:14.439 and the ness and you know, he can make every 1:32:14.520 --> 1:32:15.320 shot and do all that. 1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:17.280 But I was watching. I don't know who it was, 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:18.080 but there was some. 1:32:18.520 --> 1:32:23.240 Some some dude about seven inches smaller than them man 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:23.920 handling him. 1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:26.559 Daron Fox, I know exactly what you're talking about. Daron 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:28.680 Fox pushed him so far out of the out of 1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:30.880 the box and then he traveled on top of that 1:32:30.960 --> 1:32:32.960 instead of just you know, putting the ball if it 1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:35.240 turned around. Looking at him, But he'll learn that. 1:32:35.640 --> 1:32:37.360 We got to all remember kids nineteen. 1:32:37.520 --> 1:32:40.479 Yes, he's eighteen. He's a fucking little boy. He can't 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:44.240 by b yet. I bet you might get three more inches, yeah, 1:32:44.360 --> 1:32:46.200 you know, and it's it's so weird, just think about it. 1:32:46.240 --> 1:32:48.800 He can still grow and he can get stronger. Just 1:32:48.880 --> 1:32:50.840 I just hope he stays healthy, because that's the thing 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:54.320 with when you get started getting big. Yeah, human bodies. 1:32:54.040 --> 1:32:56.519 Aren't supposed to be doing that, you know, especially with 1:32:56.920 --> 1:32:57.759 shoes and stuff. 1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:00.439 The feet, yeah, the feet for the big has. 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:02.439 Always scare me. Yeah, because you guys are on that 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:03.800 hard surface and I had a lot. 1:33:03.760 --> 1:33:05.599 Of foot problems. You had a lot of foot problems. 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:08.080 Yeah, I broke both my feet well, just from you 1:33:08.160 --> 1:33:11.400 know over cutting and cutting so hard and I was. 1:33:11.600 --> 1:33:15.240 Very fortunately I only had one. I have two injuries 1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:17.560 to keep me out for a long period time. I 1:33:17.720 --> 1:33:19.800 strained my m c L and then I had a 1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:22.679 virus to attack my heart which gave me extra beats. 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:25.040 So I missed a total of like three weeks for 1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:28.559 that and like five weeks for my knee. Jeez. Yeah, 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:32.439 people don't realize how hard, yeah that is to stay 1:33:32.479 --> 1:33:34.840 that hell healthy. But it was all from training and 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:36.920 the off season to prepare your body for that. Grind 1:33:37.000 --> 1:33:39.599 man got to you. Gotta we got to get into 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:41.240 scoring the game real quick. 1:33:41.439 --> 1:33:43.200 Oh we got We got a couple quick stat corrections. 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:44.880 Oh did I miss anything, Jackie? 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:47.639 You were born March twenty second, nineteen eighty six. 1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:52.400 Well I was born May twenty second, but yeah, I'm 1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:54.439 born eighty six. 1:33:54.680 --> 1:33:57.599 There is the year eighty six football for a long time. 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:02.599 Oh my Kobe dropped eighty one and six, not five. 1:34:03.080 --> 1:34:06.400 On the Vernon Maxwell incident February seventh, nineteen ninety five, 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:11.800 Rockets Blazers at the Old Memorial Coliseum, Vernon went in 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:14.559 the crowd in the infamous quote he said, kiss my ass, 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:18.680 motherfucker to this guy. He went for him. He ended 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:22.000 up getting suspend a ten games find twenty thousand dollars. 1:34:22.320 --> 1:34:25.160 The fans sued him for four point five million. It 1:34:25.280 --> 1:34:27.040 was settled out of court, so we don't know, we 1:34:27.080 --> 1:34:28.400 don't know the exact figures there. 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:30.280 I didn't even know that the bullshit. 1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:31.880 Yeah, but it's a bump move. 1:34:32.080 --> 1:34:36.959 But the fans the part would set Vernon off. Vernon's 1:34:37.400 --> 1:34:39.920 daughter was still born, and so he had a tattoo 1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:43.280 her of her on his arm. And I remember I 1:34:43.360 --> 1:34:45.560 was sitting at the end of the bench and I 1:34:45.600 --> 1:34:48.519 could hear the fancy who's that bitch on your arm? 1:34:48.640 --> 1:34:51.200 Oh my god? And all I see was Vernon go 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:54.640 cross the path me. I was like, oh shit, and 1:34:54.720 --> 1:34:55.960 I went up there to get him. So it was 1:34:56.040 --> 1:34:58.439 like and I hate when, like, you know, I don't know, 1:34:58.479 --> 1:35:00.080 I want to I want to love to know that 1:35:00.400 --> 1:35:02.880 situation happened, how much he got and it was selled 1:35:02.920 --> 1:35:06.040 out of court. Did David Stern step in? Yeah? 1:35:06.240 --> 1:35:10.200 Hey, you know, there's a big difference of saying someone's 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:13.080 face and behind a keyboard. I stick to buying a keyboard. Boys, 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:17.920 guys getting getting the gridiron jokers are coming up for you. 1:35:18.360 --> 1:35:20.560 Bro also in the crowd that night, Jerry Seinfeld and 1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:24.679 Bill Gates. They were lucky it wasn't them Seinfeld. Seinfeld 1:35:25.160 --> 1:35:26.600 probably has some dope ass shoes on. 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:29.360 He's a sneaker junkie, low key. If you watch he 1:35:29.439 --> 1:35:32.160 has a bunch of cool sneakers. If you watch the show, He's. 1:35:32.000 --> 1:35:35.400 A Superman, guysm super Superman. 1:35:35.560 --> 1:35:39.400 Superman was in every episode, somewhere in every episode. Did 1:35:39.439 --> 1:35:41.320 you know that? I did not? Yeah, did you know? 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:44.280 Yeah, Jerry loves He's obsessed with the Mets and Superman. 1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:44.679 Yeah. 1:35:45.200 --> 1:35:48.719 I used to be a Mets fan. Really yeah, Gary 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:51.400 Carter fan. Yeah, I love the Giants. 1:35:51.640 --> 1:35:53.880 But also I was gonna get into you know, it's 1:35:53.960 --> 1:35:58.520 cool to like people that have good imaginations and like superheroes. 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:02.840 Thatman's real, Man, he's real. He's the only one didn't 1:36:02.840 --> 1:36:03.599 have powers, right. 1:36:03.680 --> 1:36:05.320 He didn't have no powers. He had a bunch of 1:36:05.520 --> 1:36:06.639 gadgets and toys. 1:36:06.760 --> 1:36:08.960 Tony Star didn't have any powers either. I like Tony 1:36:09.000 --> 1:36:11.839 Stark too though. Yeah, just his brain, that's his superpower. 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:15.000 Any guy that's hello rich with cool toys, that's me. 1:36:15.280 --> 1:36:18.040 I want that score this game. 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:20.680 What's the name of this game? The Eminem game. I 1:36:20.880 --> 1:36:24.280 need to be eminem pissing off big shot Bob. What 1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:26.080 it's a good ring, a good jingle, I need a 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:26.599 good jingle. 1:36:26.840 --> 1:36:28.600 I think the Eminem game sounds pretty good to me. 1:36:29.479 --> 1:36:31.639 The Eminem game. We got to get them on games 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:32.400 and names. 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:39.560 Will be right back after this quick break. So this 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:42.880 is score the game presented by win Bet. We go 1:36:43.000 --> 1:36:44.920 through and we score all the games that we've done 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:48.559 with our guests, and then we go and see where 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:52.360 it lays on the chart of our games. 1:36:52.600 --> 1:36:55.160 So steak, So I have to be honest, is what 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:57.960 you're saying. You gotta be honest. You gotta be honest. 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:02.880 Steaks zero to ten decimals, Ok, one to ten? 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:05.720 This game was it was had to be a ten 1:37:05.880 --> 1:37:08.479 man ten. Yeah, because you got to think about this. 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:10.680 Game five won of the pivotal games you know you won, 1:37:10.760 --> 1:37:12.800 went away from winning a championship. I mean we did 1:37:12.920 --> 1:37:14.240 see game five. 1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:17.800 What's the stat, Jackie, seventeen out of the last twenty 1:37:17.840 --> 1:37:21.719 three win it. It's it's very important. In the seven game. 1:37:21.640 --> 1:37:24.240 Series, Kyler, what wherever are you shaking your head on the. 1:37:24.560 --> 1:37:27.040 Tyler's more, Game seven is what deserves a ten. So 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:28.320 if you look at them. 1:37:28.920 --> 1:37:30.920 I think I only played in like what one game 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:32.920 seven in the finals, two game seven in the finals. 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:35.720 None in this playoff mix the Knicks played in. I'm 1:37:35.720 --> 1:37:37.720 talking about the NBA Finals. The Knicks we went game 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:40.519 seven and this one went game seven. Because with the 1:37:40.600 --> 1:37:44.679 Lakers we never went game seven. We swept Orlando Magic, 1:37:45.280 --> 1:37:48.599 and then we swept the Nets. We lost one game 1:37:48.720 --> 1:37:52.479 against the Phillies. We won games you know six against 1:37:52.520 --> 1:37:56.320 the Pacers. Yeah, I only been to game seven, and 1:37:56.400 --> 1:37:59.400 then we swept the Cleveland Cavaliers in two thousand and seven. 1:37:59.479 --> 1:38:01.840 So think I've been part of three sweeps in the finals. 1:38:01.960 --> 1:38:04.920 He never lost in the fun he gets ten ten. 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:09.080 So that's why making the game, that's why I get 1:38:09.120 --> 1:38:11.599 it to ten. You got seven. 1:38:12.240 --> 1:38:13.320 It goes a long way. 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:16.840 Go nine point nine to make it better. Let's go 1:38:17.040 --> 1:38:21.439 nine point nine, nine point nine. I've been pressured into it, 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:22.800 pure pressure. Star power. 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:27.839 I mean we went over the stars, teams, crowd, everything. 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:30.600 Well, you got to understand, like that star power is 1:38:30.720 --> 1:38:33.200 Michigan star power. And for me, it didn't mean to 1:38:33.360 --> 1:38:35.880 mean crap that those guys only start power. Me was 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:39.439 Eminem you know, May Barry. I love Barry and so 1:38:39.560 --> 1:38:42.320 everybody else in the izo Michigan State who really cares 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:45.360 about that? You know. So I'm gonna say this star 1:38:45.479 --> 1:38:50.000 power is like a six. Six, yeah, five, I'm gonna 1:38:50.040 --> 1:38:52.160 drop it down to a five because you gotta realized, 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:55.760 a regular season game in a Laker uniform, we have 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:56.479 all of that. 1:38:56.760 --> 1:38:59.080 A Michigan A lister is like an l a c lister. 1:39:00.439 --> 1:39:01.960 I mean, was at the top of the crowd. 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:03.200 Writer, It's true. 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:05.400 He had his shirt off in the crowd. I saw 1:39:05.880 --> 1:39:07.920 he was doing the PD Pablo twisting on his head. 1:39:07.960 --> 1:39:10.800 He was wild, you know, PD Pablo Carolina Man. 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:16.040 Okay, no cac lay, all right, he is revered. What's 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:19.919 the gameplay? One to ten game shot? You know, when overtime. 1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:22.920 So I have to get this, like, I'm gonna have 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:25.760 to get this ten because it was overtime. It was 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:30.080 you know, on the court, their coord you know, and 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:31.800 then you have some guy by the name a big 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:34.040 shot Bob that you know, just lit the ass up. 1:39:34.200 --> 1:39:35.640 So I had to get us on a ten, the 1:39:35.720 --> 1:39:37.640 real big shot, and he had to manifest it. 1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:40.679 He had to talk himself and do a moment because 1:39:40.760 --> 1:39:44.240 of Eminem the name of the game is the eminem game? 1:39:44.320 --> 1:39:47.960 What is zero to ten? I got it. I gotta 1:39:48.040 --> 1:39:52.280 get that an eight I don't get at eight eight 1:39:52.479 --> 1:39:55.479 eight eight straight eight straight the eminem game. You know, 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:58.360 you know, you know it'd been better if you know 1:39:58.439 --> 1:40:01.120 it's a big shot, Bob, you know something like that. 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:02.400 We can change that. 1:40:02.920 --> 1:40:05.800 We can change it. I mean giving too much them? 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:11.880 No right now, I love, I love, have probably got 1:40:11.920 --> 1:40:13.240 like fifteen is. 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:16.000 One of you know, he's one of the greatest rappers. Man, 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:16.800 it's eight two. 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:18.160 Where does it go on to the board? 1:40:18.880 --> 1:40:23.040 These are all the games we've done so ranked number one, okay, 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:24.439 number two. 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:27.280 It's because we had Mark Cuban in here and he 1:40:27.320 --> 1:40:29.680 screwed up our whole system. Can you give everything at ten? 1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:32.640 Rob and Rob? 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:33.000 Yeah? 1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:36.880 Rob Rigel just gave everything straight tens Ara Man ninety 1:40:36.960 --> 1:40:37.920 nine Women's World Cup. 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:40.719 Fine, okay, yeah, So this one's this one's right between 1:40:41.160 --> 1:40:41.920 the bush push. 1:40:42.439 --> 1:40:45.400 This one was right between that nineteen eighty five AFC 1:40:45.560 --> 1:40:50.639 Championship game and they Can't Wait game with with part 1:40:50.720 --> 1:40:52.559 Scott there and rich Eyes and can't wait. 1:40:52.680 --> 1:40:55.639 So you had Gibs in here, we had Gill in here. Yeah, 1:40:55.720 --> 1:40:58.519 Gill hates me. Really no, we have like it's a 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:01.640 it's at Little Robber because you know, every show he 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:04.040 likes it to say would you rather have three hundred 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:06.800 million plan? Or would you rather have seven rings? And 1:41:06.880 --> 1:41:09.840 only made I think it's a I'm just say forty million, 1:41:09.960 --> 1:41:12.040 and I was like, wow, you know you want to 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:14.040 put me out there, So I rather have seven champions No, 1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:16.560 I rather have the money. And so many people, you know, 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:19.920 especially Jack Captain Jackson's you're a loser because you don't 1:41:19.920 --> 1:41:21.760 want to win. You just care about the money. And 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:24.559 and just the other day he had Rashid on this show, 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:27.240 and Rashid was like, I take the rings, and he 1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:30.240 shocked when people say they take take the rings because 1:41:30.280 --> 1:41:33.360 it's what you value more. Do you value winning or 1:41:33.400 --> 1:41:35.519 you value money more? You know what I mean? So 1:41:35.800 --> 1:41:38.240 so here's my question. You would you rather have seven 1:41:38.320 --> 1:41:41.519 championships to make forty million or have no championships with 1:41:41.560 --> 1:41:42.320 three hundred million? 1:41:42.880 --> 1:41:47.120 And be honest, because what people don't realize if you 1:41:47.360 --> 1:41:50.759 give yourself to the game and you win everything for winning, 1:41:51.400 --> 1:41:53.680 that forty million is going to turn way over to 1:41:54.040 --> 1:41:58.080 three hundred million because of the longevity you'll always have. 1:41:58.200 --> 1:41:59.120 For being a champion. 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:02.320 Yes, you know what I mean, Like, what are you 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:04.880 gonna celebrate when you have one hundred mel a three 1:42:04.960 --> 1:42:07.479 hundred mil? Yeah you got you know, you got seven 1:42:07.560 --> 1:42:09.200 rings and things. 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:13.200 Yes. I always like, you know, you get so many 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:15.160 time with me. Yeah, so many people say, I think 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:16.640 it's three hundred million. It said, I can buy the 1:42:16.680 --> 1:42:18.680 many rings I want. But it's like, yeah, you can 1:42:18.760 --> 1:42:20.639 buy the rings, but they don't. It's not from your 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:22.519 hard work and your sacrifice, you know what I mean, 1:42:22.640 --> 1:42:25.760 your dedication to the game. And you know, getting to 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:29.760 the upper echelne, the apex of the mountain, well, only 1:42:29.800 --> 1:42:30.519 a few sits. 1:42:32.120 --> 1:42:34.799 There's only like three guys that shit in there, that apex. 1:42:36.680 --> 1:42:39.920 Rob we miss anything from the game. From the game 1:42:40.920 --> 1:42:41.360 other than that. 1:42:41.520 --> 1:42:44.040 We went on went home and played Game six and 1:42:44.160 --> 1:42:46.519 lost to them, and then we won Game seven and 1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:49.439 won a championship. And I think I think I started 1:42:49.439 --> 1:42:52.800 a trend then because when we wanted, you know, my 1:42:52.880 --> 1:42:55.840 whole thing was always out every game. I always grabbed 1:42:55.880 --> 1:42:58.280 the basketball. So I grabbed the basketball. And if you 1:42:58.360 --> 1:43:02.360 look at the picture, it's me and my son sitting there. 1:43:02.400 --> 1:43:05.040 So now everybody brings their sons out, you know, they 1:43:05.160 --> 1:43:07.679 do the press conference with their son. Like I feel 1:43:07.760 --> 1:43:10.840 like I was one of the guys that started that 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:13.320 because I brought my son to Core. Now you know, 1:43:13.360 --> 1:43:15.479 I did everything with him, and I was just trying 1:43:15.479 --> 1:43:17.200 to because I knew my career was about to come 1:43:17.240 --> 1:43:18.719 to the end, but I wanted to share that moment 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:22.040 with my kids. And from that and just so many 1:43:22.120 --> 1:43:24.320 other things that go on at from you know, me 1:43:24.560 --> 1:43:27.519 being the originator of small ball, you know, back when 1:43:27.520 --> 1:43:29.880 I was with Houston, and then just you know, now 1:43:29.960 --> 1:43:32.639 his transcending to what the game is today, and there's 1:43:32.720 --> 1:43:36.320 just so many things like that that I think about, 1:43:36.760 --> 1:43:38.599 even though I might not ever make the Hall of Fame, 1:43:38.680 --> 1:43:40.400 but I was a trendsetter. Yeah. 1:43:40.520 --> 1:43:42.560 Yeah, well you're You're in our Hall of Fame, and 1:43:42.680 --> 1:43:44.240 you should be in the Hall of Fame. I mean, 1:43:45.600 --> 1:43:49.519 there's got to be a reason. You don't just go 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:52.600 on teams and win championships for no reason. There's a 1:43:52.720 --> 1:43:56.439 chemical makeup, there's something that's been touched by God that 1:43:56.600 --> 1:43:59.599 allows people to do that, and I mean, I've never 1:43:59.680 --> 1:44:02.640 seen anything like that. I actually kind of hated you 1:44:02.760 --> 1:44:06.760 for a second because I jumped off that Warriors bandwagon 1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:09.840 for a while and went over to the Kings and 1:44:10.160 --> 1:44:13.080 you know a lot of web we had, you know, 1:44:13.200 --> 1:44:16.719 everyone bib and you put us down too. 1:44:16.920 --> 1:44:21.519 Well, you know the thing that people don't Yeah maybe, 1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:24.559 but you know the thing that people understand what comes 1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:27.800 along with the game. Now you're gonna go down this path. 1:44:27.840 --> 1:44:30.800 I'm gonna tell you something. Now. You know, everybody says 1:44:30.920 --> 1:44:33.639 that rep they want to blame the guy who got 1:44:33.760 --> 1:44:36.040 you know, arrested and put in jail. If you go 1:44:36.400 --> 1:44:39.000 back and look at game six, they made up for that. 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:42.960 Nobody talks about Game six where they got all the calls. 1:44:43.000 --> 1:44:44.680 They got a couple of calls where they stepped out 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:46.720 of bounds, clearly, they got a couple of calls where 1:44:46.720 --> 1:44:49.040 they shot the ball after the shot clock. They got 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:50.920 that call. But nobody talks about what happened. You know 1:44:50.960 --> 1:44:54.479 what happened in game seven. Pager doesn't play in game seven. 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:57.680 You remember that, there's no freaking way if you win 1:44:57.880 --> 1:45:00.560 this game, you know, you win the NBA Champions. He 1:45:00.720 --> 1:45:03.120 turned his ankle and did not play in that series. 1:45:03.520 --> 1:45:05.280 In this game seven and from getting to know you 1:45:05.400 --> 1:45:07.840 just now there's nowhere in hell that you wouldn't be 1:45:07.880 --> 1:45:10.120 out there on that court. You at least test it 1:45:10.200 --> 1:45:12.679 out to see if your ankle could go right. I'm 1:45:12.720 --> 1:45:15.360 going he didn't even test it out, So now they 1:45:15.400 --> 1:45:18.280 had to start a diet. And we win that series. 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:20.519 So but nobody they want to talk about, you know, 1:45:21.200 --> 1:45:24.120 the game five, you know, the cheating and this and that. 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:26.880 It's like, at the end of the day, you still up, 1:45:27.040 --> 1:45:28.599 you still have a chance to win. You have two 1:45:28.640 --> 1:45:30.400 more games to win that series. And you don't don't 1:45:30.400 --> 1:45:32.800 blame it all on one game because there's no telling 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:35.080 if you go up three to one, there's no guarantee 1:45:35.120 --> 1:45:37.360 you win that game. You forgot who we had the 1:45:37.479 --> 1:45:41.960 best duo in basketball, Shaq and Kobe and you. Yeah. Yeah, 1:45:42.080 --> 1:45:43.840 So that's what I'm saying. So everybody's like, oh, we 1:45:43.880 --> 1:45:45.679 could have wanted no guarantee you win that game. 1:45:46.160 --> 1:45:49.680 You know, no, man, you gotta plug anything, you know. 1:45:49.880 --> 1:45:52.759 I just you know, for me, I'm doing my podcast. 1:45:52.840 --> 1:45:55.320 I did the Big Shot Pod Big Shot Pod podcast 1:45:55.439 --> 1:45:58.040 with a couple of Rob Jenners and Brandon Dude. We 1:45:58.280 --> 1:45:59.760 you know, we just sit around. We just have fun. 1:45:59.760 --> 1:46:02.160 We like have fun. What am I coming on? Whenever 1:46:02.240 --> 1:46:04.840 you have the time, man, you know, time and place 1:46:05.920 --> 1:46:07.760 I said it up place. I set it up with 1:46:07.880 --> 1:46:09.680 your people's man. You know. We usually you know, we 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:12.320 we do it out of the home so you can 1:46:12.360 --> 1:46:13.680 be in your bath robe, where you can be on 1:46:13.760 --> 1:46:15.720 the toilet, whatever you want to do, we do it 1:46:15.800 --> 1:46:17.640 that it comfort your own home. But I like this 1:46:17.800 --> 1:46:19.760 set up. I like to come and be nosy and 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:21.600 see what kind of ideas I can steal, like the 1:46:21.680 --> 1:46:26.120 Bruce willis you know, yeah, and that you know, and 1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:28.240 off the court, I'm on. You know. I'm working with 1:46:28.320 --> 1:46:31.240 this company called Shirko, which is kind of fun. It's 1:46:31.280 --> 1:46:34.160 about trying to help people save money's company save money 1:46:34.240 --> 1:46:36.519 where we come in and we do it. We analyze 1:46:36.520 --> 1:46:39.840 your company, and we talk to human resources and we 1:46:40.720 --> 1:46:43.040 make the insurance for each individual that come to better 1:46:43.080 --> 1:46:45.320 for the people. You know. It's it's it's weird how 1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:48.920 you know, there's a blanket, uh slate when it comes 1:46:48.960 --> 1:46:50.840 to insurance when a company comes to oh, you're just 1:46:50.880 --> 1:46:52.960 gonna get a B and C, but it might not 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:54.479 work for you, and it might not work for him 1:46:54.560 --> 1:46:56.120 or her over there. And we come in and we 1:46:56.280 --> 1:46:59.840 we we analyze it and we we we we adjusted 1:47:00.120 --> 1:47:02.280 it works specifically for your needs. And so that's what 1:47:02.360 --> 1:47:04.479 I'm doing now, which is kind of fun. I love 1:47:04.600 --> 1:47:07.960 going into companies and trying to get them to, you know, 1:47:08.280 --> 1:47:10.439 come join our company. Let us do it. Let's talk 1:47:10.479 --> 1:47:12.920 to your HR and let us, you know, save your 1:47:12.960 --> 1:47:14.760 million dollars, like we save a couple of companies like 1:47:14.800 --> 1:47:17.080 three million dollars and so and this is all due 1:47:17.160 --> 1:47:19.360 to me being about this company, all due to me 1:47:19.479 --> 1:47:22.640 being a seven time NBA champion. So now this is 1:47:22.680 --> 1:47:25.600 out making that three hundred million ups. I mean, you 1:47:26.200 --> 1:47:27.840 know what it takes to win. 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:32.000 And when you deal with companies and corporations that are 1:47:32.040 --> 1:47:34.000 all thirsty to win, and they want to know what 1:47:34.080 --> 1:47:37.160 the X factor is. You bring in an X factor, 1:47:37.720 --> 1:47:38.519 big shot Bob. 1:47:38.720 --> 1:47:41.799 They want to know, you know how, how the winning 1:47:42.200 --> 1:47:45.560 attitude of win, the mentality winning mentality. And to me, 1:47:46.400 --> 1:47:49.080 there is something that can't be explained. Yeah, you score 1:47:49.080 --> 1:47:51.040 a lot of points, Yeah you did this, but did 1:47:51.120 --> 1:47:53.640 you win? What did you bring to the team other 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.000 than your points? And did you bring the right attitude? 1:47:56.280 --> 1:47:58.920 Did you bring the right the right work ethic? Did 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:01.280 you inspire others? Is another way? Did you know how 1:48:01.360 --> 1:48:04.360 to you know what was? What's what Michael Jordan's say, 1:48:04.720 --> 1:48:08.759 take things personal and you know and turn that into dubbs. 1:48:08.800 --> 1:48:09.639 That's what it's all about. 1:48:10.600 --> 1:48:13.639 You know who won today games with names. For having 1:48:13.720 --> 1:48:17.560 you on here once again, Big shot Bob, thanks for 1:48:17.640 --> 1:48:18.000 coming on. 1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:23.439 Man, my pleasure brother. Thank you inviting me anytime. Boy. 1:48:24.320 --> 1:48:25.920 I could have sat and talked to him for hours, 1:48:26.000 --> 1:48:29.639 Big Shot Bob, what a guy. Military time here early 1:48:29.920 --> 1:48:32.040 early tech stories. 1:48:32.280 --> 1:48:34.760 Take fleece On took his shoes off the minute he 1:48:34.880 --> 1:48:35.320 entered the house. 1:48:35.439 --> 1:48:38.840 I respectful. I felt obligated to take my shoes off 1:48:38.880 --> 1:48:39.559 in my own house. 1:48:39.760 --> 1:48:41.920 I did too. Can I just bring the real quick? 1:48:42.479 --> 1:48:44.679 Ten minutes before a shoot is not that early? 1:48:45.240 --> 1:48:47.960 How many athletes have you worked with? And how many 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:51.360 athletes have ever been ten minutes early to. 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:55.200 A t facts facts A man that played under Greg 1:48:55.240 --> 1:49:01.320 Popovich pop pop, military, fam Bama football Baby. 1:49:01.680 --> 1:49:03.760 Yeah, he was so cool and it was cool to 1:49:03.800 --> 1:49:07.840 get his perspective from both Pop and Jackson and a 1:49:07.880 --> 1:49:10.559 lot of that pop stuff. Sound belichicky, Oh my god, 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:13.320 Like I know you got the Air Force with Poppy, 1:49:13.360 --> 1:49:16.240 got Navy with Bill, but like the brain and trust 1:49:16.320 --> 1:49:19.760 and just but instead of like the same time, my 1:49:19.840 --> 1:49:21.680 comparison would be like see you know, we're at the 1:49:21.720 --> 1:49:24.040 trail mixed station at the fucking cafeteria. 1:49:24.520 --> 1:49:25.559 Bill was a trail mix guy. 1:49:25.960 --> 1:49:29.679 He put his hands in it in the communal pot 1:49:30.600 --> 1:49:35.080 bro bro coach. What the fuck, dude, there's the Scoopers. 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:37.679 They literally have the Scoopers. I feel like we've talked 1:49:37.720 --> 1:49:38.439 about this before. 1:49:38.520 --> 1:49:38.880 I want to. 1:49:39.240 --> 1:49:40.920 I don't know that we have. Dude, imagine what if 1:49:40.960 --> 1:49:42.840 he did that like the Whole Foods. If he did 1:49:42.920 --> 1:49:43.479 it the Whole. 1:49:43.280 --> 1:49:46.040 Foods afinitely does it at the Whole Foods. 1:49:46.040 --> 1:49:52.280 Scoopers, Bill Foods ain't no Billy the Whole Foods man. 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:54.760 That was That was a fun episode. 1:49:56.040 --> 1:49:59.640 And uh, I can't wait to see him just continue insurance, right, 1:50:00.000 --> 1:50:00.400 it's awesome. 1:50:00.479 --> 1:50:02.960 Yeah, he's got a whole he got man, Yeah, I was. 1:50:03.000 --> 1:50:04.559 He was blowing my mind. I went way over my head. 1:50:04.680 --> 1:50:05.760 We're gonna get together again. 1:50:05.800 --> 1:50:07.479 We'll do it well, link up, Gotta get big shot 1:50:07.520 --> 1:50:11.439 Bob on. We got quick little post show segment. I'm 1:50:11.439 --> 1:50:13.200 gonna put you through the gauntlet again. You're ready to 1:50:13.960 --> 1:50:17.719 post show segment. It's only right that we talk clutch guys. 1:50:17.720 --> 1:50:20.000 If we had Robert Ori on. So we're gonna go 1:50:20.200 --> 1:50:23.320 through the world of Mount Clutch Moore. The best clutch 1:50:23.400 --> 1:50:25.720 guys might be a couple of wrinkles in here. Heads up, 1:50:25.840 --> 1:50:27.680 and we're doing a little word association. First thing that 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:29.519 comes to mind when you hear these guys, and I 1:50:29.560 --> 1:50:32.360 can't just be clutch man. I hate these I'm sorry. 1:50:33.200 --> 1:50:34.800 You'll be in the torture chamber. Baby, I'll put you 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:35.920 in the torture chamber. 1:50:36.439 --> 1:50:36.840 You ready. 1:50:37.600 --> 1:50:42.719 There it is Michael Jordan Go, Tom Brady Go, Derek Cheeter, Clutch, 1:50:43.160 --> 1:50:48.479 David Ortiz, Boppy, Joe Montana, Smooth, James Harden, Euro Step Thing, 1:50:48.880 --> 1:50:51.560 Tiger Woods Masters, Adam Vinitierry. 1:50:51.760 --> 1:50:52.800 Adam Vinitarry. 1:50:53.960 --> 1:50:59.120 He's like Jack now Bobby or Fearless, Dan Marino, great Thrower, 1:50:59.600 --> 1:51:05.040 Big Bob, Big Shot Bob, Jim Kelly, Kirk Gibson, Ola, 1:51:05.920 --> 1:51:09.200 Brittany Chastain stud That's it, baby, You like how I 1:51:09.240 --> 1:51:10.960 threw those wrinkles in there? Of some some not so 1:51:11.080 --> 1:51:11.599 clutch guys. 1:51:12.400 --> 1:51:13.599 Now who's not so clutch? 1:51:14.040 --> 1:51:17.880 I mean Dan Marino, Jimmy Harden, Is he not Jim Kelly? 1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:20.160 I mean they didn't win the Big Game, they don't 1:51:20.160 --> 1:51:22.080 have the rep. I don't think he'd put their face 1:51:22.160 --> 1:51:24.000 up there on the mountain. But I mean they had 1:51:24.000 --> 1:51:25.000 a hell of a careers made. 1:51:26.200 --> 1:51:28.960 I mean, he's he's calling shots with it seems like 1:51:29.120 --> 1:51:31.320 mister Ross over there. I see him in the Hard Knocks. 1:51:31.479 --> 1:51:34.439 He's in the locker room every time, like it's like 1:51:34.560 --> 1:51:35.439 Daddy Dan in there. 1:51:36.479 --> 1:51:38.360 I mean, I don't know, but I feel like the 1:51:38.840 --> 1:51:41.200 I feel like you passed that with flying Colors. I 1:51:41.280 --> 1:51:43.000 did three goats in a row. I could have just said, 1:51:43.040 --> 1:51:45.920 go this is they were that worked for all three 1:51:45.960 --> 1:51:47.719 of those. I thought you were gonna say gift basket 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:48.360 for Jeter though. 1:51:49.200 --> 1:51:51.439 That was That was a good one. 1:51:51.600 --> 1:51:52.240 That was a good one. 1:51:52.720 --> 1:51:56.439 Well what an episode. Thanks again to Robert or Big 1:51:56.560 --> 1:52:00.519 Shot Bob. That's been another episode of Games with Names 1:52:00.640 --> 1:52:02.000 presented by when Bet. 1:52:02.240 --> 1:52:04.240 Remember to follow Games with Names on. 1:52:04.400 --> 1:52:09.679 YouTube, Instagram, x TikTok, and snapchat. We'll see you guys 1:52:09.840 --> 1:52:14.040 next week. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. 1:52:14.360 --> 1:52:20.080 For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 1:52:20.240 --> 1:52:22.360 or wherever you get your podcasts.