Speaker 1: And Eminem was behind the bench said you won't be
Speaker 1: getting number sixth to night, buddy. It is Eminem, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest rappers all the time them yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I had to talk trash back to where
Speaker 1: trouble now though, they better get me. And then after
Speaker 1: I did this dunk on rip, I looked at him
Speaker 1: like I told you, it's looking over.
Speaker 2: On today's episode, we are talking game five of the
Speaker 2: two thousand and five NBA Finals between the San Antonio
Speaker 2: Spurs and the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 1: You don't tell nobody this, but I go back and
Speaker 1: watch this game and pat myself on the back and
Speaker 1: smile because I had a hell of a game.
Speaker 2: Man, Big Shot Bob rob Ari is in studio seven
Speaker 2: time championships.
Speaker 1: You did it last year in the finals. He's done
Speaker 1: it for us all regular season long, and he's going
Speaker 1: to keep on doing it. And that's Robert for you.
Speaker 1: When I look back, I think this is the second
Speaker 1: hottest I had a there.
Speaker 2: So it's a back and forth night.
Speaker 1: I sucked in the first hat. I remember sitting in
Speaker 1: the corner talking to myself, Robbie, sucking night. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to be big Shop ob you terrible and Bruce is
Speaker 1: looking at me like dude going crazy and they next
Speaker 1: thing you know, I come on the second half.
Speaker 2: I just fall out twenty one points in the last seventeen.
Speaker 1: To have the performance I had in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: and a little bit over time with no plays called
Speaker 1: for me is one of the best performances you can have.
Speaker 2: Games of Names is a production of iHeartRadio Welcome to
Speaker 2: Games with Names, presented by when Bett. On today's episode,
Speaker 2: we are talking Game five of the two thousand and
Speaker 2: five NBA Finals between the San Antonio Spurs and the
Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons with Robert Lori. Who's the real big shot?
Speaker 2: We get into that, We get into the talk of
Speaker 2: rings and things.
Speaker 3: Rings and things. Baby, We're I would ring watching you.
Speaker 2: Got seven of them dangs? The secret about being clutch.
Speaker 2: We'll get into we geting a lot of visualizations, visual success.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like we got scientific sports science.
Speaker 2: What is that that ship they have on the Worldwide Leader?
Speaker 2: That guy from sports I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 2: he's been gone ever since.
Speaker 3: Ever since. I don't know. He's he's too deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get into pot versus Jackson, Phil completely different
Speaker 2: awesome to awesome to really get to hear where they
Speaker 2: were the same and where they were like completely different.
Speaker 3: Rob can speak on both of those. Not a lot
Speaker 3: of guys can he can.
Speaker 2: Man, And I mean, you can't talk this era of
Speaker 2: basketball without talking brawls.
Speaker 3: Malice in the Palace.
Speaker 1: Baby, Malice in the Palace.
Speaker 2: We all we even dabble in a little college football,
Speaker 2: Big Alabama guy roll Tide yep. And then we'll wrap
Speaker 2: up the show talking about some of the most clutch
Speaker 2: athletes of all time with some game.
Speaker 1: Some game. Jackie throws out, Let's go, baby, let's go.
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Speaker 1: Let's go. June nineteenth, two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: The Palace at Auburn Hills, Auburn Hills, Michigan was.
Speaker 1: First trail by two with nine point four second left
Speaker 1: side out of bounds.
Speaker 2: Man Ude gets doubled on the catch, he kicks it
Speaker 2: to Ari.
Speaker 1: This is Game five of the two thousand and five
Speaker 1: NBA Finals.
Speaker 2: My God, Welcome to Games with Names presented by win Bet,
Speaker 2: and we have a very special guest today. Big Shot
Speaker 2: Bob rob Or is in studio. Seven time champion, which
Speaker 2: he you know. I joked with him. I said, hey man,
Speaker 2: you got the Brady. He goes, no, no, no, I got
Speaker 2: the Ori. I started it first.
Speaker 1: What did you say? I said, Brady has there there?
Speaker 1: It is eighteen year NBA career.
Speaker 2: If you have a word of clutch, his his name
Speaker 2: and his picture is in that dictionary.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They call him big shot Rob for a reason or
Speaker 2: Bob thanks for coming to the studio.
Speaker 1: Man, welcome, man, thanks for having me. I just you know,
Speaker 1: and they called me in told me that you wanted
Speaker 1: me to be on your podcast, said me, he sure
Speaker 1: to be me, Yeah, because I'm such a big fan
Speaker 1: of you, man, Like when you're on TV Sunday Football,
Speaker 1: I'm always watching you. When you go off, I go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. I love what you do.
Speaker 2: Man, Man, I appreciate that, and I mean, let's let's
Speaker 2: jump into it. You know what people don't realize. Everyone
Speaker 2: our set time was eleven o'clock. Okay, eleven o'clock, and
Speaker 2: you know I'm in here taking a shower, getting ready.
Speaker 2: You just got back from the gym. It's ten fifty,
Speaker 2: and I got people coming to the room.
Speaker 1: Hey, Rob's here, Rob's here.
Speaker 2: And that's the kind is that the kind of guy
Speaker 2: you were when you were playing, like you just right
Speaker 2: away ten minutes early, probably doing a couple of shots,
Speaker 2: getting lubricated.
Speaker 1: What's going on? You know? For me is when you're
Speaker 1: an athlete, you know, if practice starts at ten o'clock,
Speaker 1: you always gonna be there with nine thirty nine o'clock,
Speaker 1: depending on you need to get treatment. And that's just
Speaker 1: who I am, you know, I value time. Time is
Speaker 1: so precious to me, and I don't want to waste
Speaker 1: your time because I don't know. If you've got Tom
Speaker 1: Brady coming after me, I know I might get bumps
Speaker 1: O wut all my time, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But I just think that you have to respect people's time,
Speaker 1: and I just I always want to be on time,
Speaker 1: and if I'm ever late, I'll probably apologize twenty times
Speaker 1: if I'm late. But you know how it is being
Speaker 1: an athlete. You've got to be ready to go when
Speaker 1: coach has practice at eleven o'clock, you gotta be ready
Speaker 1: to go. You got it with the John Wooden rule.
Speaker 2: If you're on time, you're late.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: So today we are looking at the Spurs versus the Pistons.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have so many games we could have
Speaker 2: got into, but we had to get into the two
Speaker 2: thousand and five NBA Finals Game.
Speaker 1: Game what Jackie?
Speaker 3: Game five?
Speaker 1: Baby?
Speaker 2: Game five? Is that an important game? Some would say
Speaker 2: is that an important isn't there some kind of crazy
Speaker 2: stat if it's too two time?
Speaker 3: Seventeen of the last twenty three at this time had
Speaker 3: gone on to win the finals. So game five is pivotal.
Speaker 2: Pivotal, by the way, that's Jack, that's Kyler. Robert part
Speaker 2: of the crew.
Speaker 1: Got a great crew here.
Speaker 2: Many you're making it. Even you're making it is this
Speaker 2: is all for you? Explain to us why why this game?
Speaker 1: You know, you got to understand it. And when you're
Speaker 1: playing a really good team like we were back then
Speaker 1: and the Detroit Pistons they had just beat the Lakers
Speaker 1: for a championship, so they wanted another championship because you
Speaker 1: know how it is in sports. When you win one,
Speaker 1: someone said, oh it was a fluke, but when you
Speaker 1: win two, they say you're a dynasty, even though you're
Speaker 1: not a dynasty. But they started talking about, oh, this
Speaker 1: is the possibleity a dynasty. So that's a very pivotal game.
Speaker 1: And we in Detroit, and for people who don't know,
Speaker 1: this was a time when the playoffs was two three two.
Speaker 1: So you play two at home, and you go on
Speaker 1: the road and play three, and then you play two
Speaker 1: at home to try to win. So you think about
Speaker 1: this Detroit Pistons, Detroit basketball. These guys don't lose at home.
Speaker 1: So we go down three to two, going back to
Speaker 1: our building, it's gonna be hard to win, you know,
Speaker 1: two games in a row. So game five, you know,
Speaker 1: I just caught fire and it was was one of
Speaker 1: those games where it was when you go I even
Speaker 1: don't tell nobody this, but I go back and watch
Speaker 1: this game and pat myself on the back and smile
Speaker 1: because I had I had a hell of a game. Man.
Speaker 2: Now, when when when you're in that kind of zone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I remember once in eighth grade, you know, I
Speaker 2: was playing a WPPSL had Mount Carmel, and I felt
Speaker 2: like I was in the zone. Anytime I throw it up,
Speaker 2: you know, I caught that for like two seconds?
Speaker 1: Is that how it was?
Speaker 2: Like you just anytime you catch it, catch shoot, It's in.
Speaker 1: Man. You know, when I look back at certain games,
Speaker 1: I think this is the second hottest I ever been
Speaker 1: in the NBA. The first time I was in Cleveland
Speaker 1: when I hit like nine threes in that game and
Speaker 1: I was hot. And then there was another time where
Speaker 1: I was kind of equal to that when Milwaukeer when
Speaker 1: I got my career high forty. But this game, because
Speaker 1: in those games, when I say that they ran plays
Speaker 1: for me, this game, Pop Nutt wasn't play for me.
Speaker 1: It was just all shots. I just you know what
Speaker 1: f this, I'm taking this. I'm feeling good and for me.
Speaker 1: When you get that hot, the basket is like like
Speaker 1: the ocean. Just you know, whatever way you do it,
Speaker 1: it goes in. Now, let's talk about some of these facts.
Speaker 1: You're from Bama, I'm from Alabama? Are you big? Are
Speaker 1: you big? Bama fan? Roll tide, roll tile all the way. Man.
Speaker 1: I love college football.
Speaker 2: So is that your Saturdays is dedicated to college football?
Speaker 1: I watch Alabama college football period and I watched everybody
Speaker 1: I watched. I watched Florida State play. I watched Oregon
Speaker 1: because my stepdaughter she went to Oregon. I watched you still,
Speaker 1: I watched. I just love college I love football. My
Speaker 1: mama wouldn't let me pay, by the way, but I
Speaker 1: love it. But it's it's and I sometimes watch college
Speaker 1: more in the NFL because it's almost like it's like
Speaker 1: a different type of passion. You know. It's like the
Speaker 1: pros are so good and they're so precise, but you
Speaker 1: just like the rawness of the college game. How some
Speaker 1: of those guys came do the precisions that you guys do,
Speaker 1: And I was just like, it's just fun to watch. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now do you think it's changing a little now that
Speaker 2: these guys are basically professionals making more money than taking
Speaker 2: pay cuts once they get the NFL.
Speaker 1: Even though Alabama in Alabama.
Speaker 2: Florida and I think Georgia and a lot of these
Speaker 2: other teams when I was playing, they were taking pay
Speaker 2: cuts because they were getting paid by boosters.
Speaker 1: So you know, like has it changed. You know it's
Speaker 1: changed because every time you pick up the whatever you want,
Speaker 1: an app or whatever, you see, oh, this quarterback is support.
Speaker 1: I think it's like twelve quarterbacks in the portal already.
Speaker 1: I mean, like come on, you know, and I know
Speaker 1: it's all about you. And then the loyalty. There's no
Speaker 1: loyalty in sports sor to say, but I just think
Speaker 1: it gets to a point where the NC double A.
Speaker 1: I think they have to, you know, monitor this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I seen one guy. He transforms every year. It's like,
Speaker 1: are you trying to get to the next level? Are
Speaker 1: you just trying to get paid? Now, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm all about you getting your paper, but it has
Speaker 1: to be some type of control. And I know the
Speaker 1: COVID this is the last year, the COVID year whatnot,
Speaker 1: and it just needs they need to get a handle
Speaker 1: on it. Without a doubt.
Speaker 2: I mean because if you're going to get paid like
Speaker 2: US pros, we signed contracts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2: This is the best free agency I've ever seen in
Speaker 2: my life. Yes, I mean legit, it's your free agent
Speaker 2: every year if you want to be yes.
Speaker 1: Which you know is good and bad.
Speaker 2: Yes, I definitely think it's changing a little and they
Speaker 2: definitely have to have some kind.
Speaker 1: Of regulation on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're you're watching college football. What's life for
Speaker 2: you like now that you've been retired a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, and like you said, time allocations everything, what's
Speaker 2: the time going to these days?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, I'm kind of like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: in the TV world where I do Laker televisions. I
Speaker 1: work for Spectrum if I can stay to him but
Speaker 1: Charter and then we do the Laker television and I've
Speaker 1: been there for thirteen seasons. And you know, country boy
Speaker 1: from Alabama, I never thought I would be doing Laker
Speaker 1: television because la is you know, it's not the dirty side,
Speaker 1: you know, it's some of the slang I use people
Speaker 1: like what the hell did you just say? But I'm
Speaker 1: having fun. But it also allows me to do my
Speaker 1: schedule the way my son's high school schedule. I scheduled
Speaker 1: around his schedule. Since I've been there thirteen years, I
Speaker 1: can do that, and that's the most important thing. Men
Speaker 1: to try to go to each other one of his games.
Speaker 1: But I also talk to his coach when I'd be like, yo,
Speaker 1: is this a good game? Like, Nah, that's not a
Speaker 1: good game. You don't need to be at that one
Speaker 1: because they've been blowing people out by thirty and forty
Speaker 1: because they won state championship last year, so they're really
Speaker 1: really good. And so I'm like, Okay, do I go
Speaker 1: make money or do I miss this game or do
Speaker 1: I make this game? And I like my schedule now
Speaker 1: because I can do what I wanted to do thirteen years. Dude,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've earned that.
Speaker 2: And that's what a lot of people don't realize. When
Speaker 2: we were talking, when you sacrifice as much time and
Speaker 2: energy and attention of your life to a single craft,
Speaker 2: which people don't realize. Ten minutes early before the meeting,
Speaker 2: mister Ory was here, so you know, he was a
Speaker 2: constant professional that like, once you're done, you know, you
Speaker 2: gotta kind of you got to give your flowers all
Speaker 2: the people in your circle, and that's your family, your friends,
Speaker 2: and give them.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's awesome. That's awesome. It's so important,
Speaker 1: you know, to make sure you know, because think about it,
Speaker 1: how old are your kids.
Speaker 2: My little girls just turned seven.
Speaker 1: See, and in ten years you're gonna be like what
Speaker 1: at the time, go she's be off to college and
Speaker 1: you can like, she's never gonna call you. But when
Speaker 1: you wants something. So so it's just it's just like that.
Speaker 1: You know. I have two older kids and there it's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what do you need Dad? I can tell by one
Speaker 1: of a text like, Yo, Papa, I'm like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: do you need. It's so funny he says, like Papa,
Speaker 1: But he says Papa. I'm like, you never call me papa.
Speaker 1: But he's like, Papa. I'm like, what do you need? Well,
Speaker 1: my my truck needs new tires. I'm like, well, go
Speaker 1: get some. So but I love my kids, man, I
Speaker 1: do anything in the world for them, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just fun. So enjoy that seven year old.
Speaker 1: I know, we just started soccer.
Speaker 2: Things are crazy right now getting them in. She's in
Speaker 2: this little club team and trying to see if she
Speaker 2: likes it. Yeah, you know what I mean because she's athletic.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, yes, you get that from you
Speaker 1: from my mother. What athleticism, I would say me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go back the early days. We're did this clutch start?
Speaker 1: You know? For me, I think it happened in high school,
Speaker 1: and I can I can really pinpoint when it happened.
Speaker 1: We used to have this tournament, that Andalusia invitation where
Speaker 1: it was a Christmas tournament. My junior year. I'm killing
Speaker 1: it year. I don't really want to say, well, okay,
Speaker 1: you make me say nineteen eighty seven, all right, eighty
Speaker 1: seven and it's our tournament, and I get we you know,
Speaker 1: we get I get fouled and we're down too. I
Speaker 1: go to the free throw line, make the first one,
Speaker 1: I missed the second one. We lose the game, and
Speaker 1: I remember walking into that locker room. We hadn't lost
Speaker 1: that tournament in like twenty year. This was the first
Speaker 1: time I was losing. I walk on the lock all
Speaker 1: my teammates are crying. I'm sitting there like what did
Speaker 1: I just do? And from that moment on, I says,
Speaker 1: I gotta be better. I gotta be more focused. I
Speaker 1: got to do whatever I can do to make sure
Speaker 1: We're not putting this position again. And then what really
Speaker 1: made me feel bad is, you know the next game
Speaker 1: we played, you know, I had like fifty points. I'm
Speaker 1: killing it, right, but I get MVP and you I
Speaker 1: have a picture of me when I'm holding trophy, like
Speaker 1: I don't deserve this, even though I was the best
Speaker 1: player in that tournament and they gave it to me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is home cooking. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want this, and because I didn't deserve it, because
Speaker 1: I let my team now and from that moment on,
Speaker 1: I just been that type of player to do whatever
Speaker 1: it is my team's need to score points, you know, defense,
Speaker 1: block shots, rebound, because it wasn't about me. It wasn't
Speaker 1: about me being successful, about us being successful. It's so crazy.
Speaker 2: It's something as little as that that sparks a mindset
Speaker 2: where you don't want to let your team down. And
Speaker 2: I have I have, I have a story. Were the
Speaker 2: same thing where I felt terrible. We were it was
Speaker 2: my sophomore year of high school.
Speaker 1: I was, huh, what year was that? Two thousand and two?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I was on my what fifth I was
Speaker 1: watching you and uh we were undefeated nine.
Speaker 2: And oh the team that we were playing, Menlo at
Speaker 2: the ten. It was our arrival. They were nine and
Speaker 2: oh and it was frosh Off.
Speaker 1: It was a late bloomer, but we.
Speaker 2: Were good and I was playing safety and a kid
Speaker 2: they threw it was like, there's six seconds to go.
Speaker 1: They threw it deep.
Speaker 2: I went up and I high pointed it and picked
Speaker 2: it and I was trying to run it back and
Speaker 2: I did a stumble bum.
Speaker 1: A stumblebums when you put your arm down and you
Speaker 1: have the ball right.
Speaker 2: Here to try to keep yourself up, and I'm going
Speaker 2: and one of their guys took the ball and we
Speaker 2: were tied and scored time off.
Speaker 1: We lost.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, and that's that's what you were talking
Speaker 2: about right there from your story about missing that shot
Speaker 2: and let your team down. I felt so terrible, you
Speaker 2: know that. I like that literally hurt me. Still hurts
Speaker 2: me to this day. Losing the menlo Atherton, our rival
Speaker 2: nine and oh versus ninety zero championship on the line.
Speaker 1: It was bad, man.
Speaker 2: But you know, from there on out, and you know,
Speaker 2: it puts a reminder in your head you never want
Speaker 2: to feel that again. So you tighten everything up, tighten everything.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how much more focused little things like that
Speaker 1: can make you in your career. And when you don't
Speaker 1: have any adverse or any setbacks like that, it seems
Speaker 1: like everything is like you're going down the path. When
Speaker 1: it hits you, you be like, okay, what It's like a
Speaker 1: shell shock. So I can appreciate that moments. Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: you were Alabama Player of the year in high school.
Speaker 1: Correct grew up in Bama.
Speaker 2: Was it a given you were going to go to Bama?
Speaker 1: No? I wanted to go to Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech. Yes,
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Georgia Tech. And because I
Speaker 1: went to a high school that was we didn't They
Speaker 1: didn't give us pep rallies, they didn't do anything. Our
Speaker 1: football team was never decent, but they weren't as good
Speaker 1: as us. And it just pissed me off each of
Speaker 1: them that they didn't respect basketball. And so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to Alabama. Man, you know, Alabama is
Speaker 1: football football football. I said, I want to go to
Speaker 1: the ACC. I want to play for Bobby Krimins in
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. So how much did they pay you to
Speaker 1: get you? No? He's it funny nobody ever gave me anything.
Speaker 1: Someone I'm not going to say who offered my mom
Speaker 1: a car. And my mom says, I don't want that shit.
Speaker 1: She said, because I don't feel like I owe you anything,
Speaker 1: just in case my son decides to leave that school.
Speaker 1: And so my mom wouldn't take anything. And she heard
Speaker 1: that I took five hundred dollars from someone. She was like,
Speaker 1: you need to get that money back. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't give it back, but I said, okay, but
Speaker 1: for me, it's just Georgia Tech, the ACC A basketball
Speaker 1: comphen you say ACC basketball comes to mind, you say
Speaker 1: SEC football comes to mind. So I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to go to the a CC. But you know
Speaker 1: my mom, she gets mad when I tell this story.
Speaker 1: My mom said, well, if you go to Georgia Tech,
Speaker 1: you probably won't see me that much. If you go
Speaker 1: to Alabama, you'll see me a lot. And so I
Speaker 1: went to Alabama. Yeah, but about back by the way though,
Speaker 1: I was also academic player of the Year in Alabama too.
Speaker 1: Academic right, Yeah. My mom was a school teacher. My
Speaker 1: dad served eighteen years in the military, So I had
Speaker 1: a lot of discipline in my life.
Speaker 2: You know what, I was going to ask he was
Speaker 2: ten minutes early I was and say you got you
Speaker 2: got family. I swear to God, I was thinking of that. Okay,
Speaker 2: so ACC basketball, SEC football.
Speaker 3: These were good Georgia. These were final four Georgia Tech
Speaker 3: teams Kenny Anderson days.
Speaker 1: I got a game real quick.
Speaker 2: What comes to mind when you say Pac ten basketball?
Speaker 2: What comes to your mind when you hear Big ten,
Speaker 2: Big ten football? And most importantly, what comes your mind
Speaker 2: when you hear the MAC baseball?
Speaker 1: Baseball? Yeah? Who's out of baseball? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to get baseball from love.
Speaker 1: It's too cold for Even.
Speaker 2: Though Kent State my school in the MAC, they went
Speaker 2: to like three or four College World.
Speaker 1: Series in the last couple decades, they didn't win. I
Speaker 1: don't think, But I think, who's like? I love baseball too?
Speaker 1: I just like you know, I played baseball growing up.
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought I was going to get
Speaker 1: a scholarship in baseball before basketball. What would position? I
Speaker 1: pitched first base to center field.
Speaker 2: You're throwing gas, clearly.
Speaker 1: That's all I had. I had a change up to
Speaker 1: bastball and the curve ball. I had three pitches. That's all,
Speaker 1: could you imagine a big shot bob.
Speaker 2: On the mound looking like Randy Johnson, because Randy's what
Speaker 2: six to seven?
Speaker 1: You were six to eight, sixteen six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus, you probably would have been able to throw
Speaker 2: for years too, because your body's.
Speaker 1: So big and like lanky. Just man, all right.
Speaker 2: I was a Warriors fan growing up, and I changed
Speaker 2: being Warriors fan because they got so good and I
Speaker 2: went to Boston.
Speaker 1: So you're a Celtics fan. I became. I became boys
Speaker 1: with the guys. Okay, I can respect, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and everyone it's kind. That's how I became
Speaker 1: an Astros fan because I became friends with Bagwell and
Speaker 1: Visual and all those guys. I understand that. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So I went to Boston.
Speaker 2: They were winning, and when I left, the Warriors were
Speaker 2: you know, they were getting good and they were signing.
Speaker 2: You know, it became different than the Warriors I grew up.
Speaker 1: I grew up with.
Speaker 2: Spree my teammate, your teammate from college, choking out coaches
Speaker 2: and stuff, had a Spreewell.
Speaker 1: Jersey loved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, any good Spreebee stories from back to school.
Speaker 1: It's you know, Spreewall was believed, not very quiet. I
Speaker 1: didn't say much and he was just you know, it
Speaker 1: was really nothing to say. He loved electronics, he loved cars,
Speaker 1: you know, that's when he had the spinners and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. He was just he was just that quiet guy. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, it's no stories that we were. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you look at our team at Bama's, we've had
Speaker 1: like I played like with fifteen pros that went on
Speaker 1: to the NBA. Sorry, and there was never anybody. We
Speaker 1: just we just came and did work. Man. We came
Speaker 1: and worked out, did our job and went home. Nobody
Speaker 1: was though. We had no characters. Yeah, I only got
Speaker 1: the characters as you get to the NBA. That's the
Speaker 1: only time you come across characters. Yeah, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: with you was what fifty two of you guys on
Speaker 1: the field.
Speaker 2: Fifty three on the squad for six on game day?
Speaker 2: Thinking you had like one hundred with practice squad.
Speaker 1: That's the characters right there though. So yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: But where I was at, no nonsense.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like probably were you know, like
Speaker 2: the Spurs. You know you had structure, yes, and your
Speaker 2: best player was the guy holding the court. And if
Speaker 2: he's working hard and not being a character. Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: you can't have guys do that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: We had fun in different ways, but everyone was out
Speaker 2: that work. Everyone was about the work like practice was
Speaker 2: really hard for us. Everything was evaluated, always everything. It
Speaker 2: was never about like slapping a guy in the butt
Speaker 2: for doing his job. It was more like, this is
Speaker 2: what you did wrong. You're expected to do that. Now,
Speaker 2: let's go, let's correct it so we all can sleep
Speaker 2: at night.
Speaker 1: I'm the type of person my wife gets mad because
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't give people credit for things they're
Speaker 1: supposed to do same, and so she gets mad with
Speaker 1: I'm like, well he's supposed to do that. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you should. I was like, I tell him, Mary, now,
Speaker 1: he played a good game. And but she says, you
Speaker 1: always focus on the negative. I'm not focusing on the negative.
Speaker 1: I'm pointing out the things that you could have done
Speaker 1: better to make yourself better. And she's like, well, you
Speaker 1: need to focus on some of the good things. I said,
Speaker 1: I do, but not as much as the bad things.
Speaker 1: I said, I have a relations to my son that's
Speaker 1: different than you, and so I appreciate people like that.
Speaker 1: That says, okay, we're gonna work hard. I'm not gonna say, Okay,
Speaker 1: you caught the ball. You're supposed to catch the ball, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give you a high fine. Now if
Speaker 1: it's a hell of a catch, when you catch it
Speaker 1: like this with three fingers or something, then I might
Speaker 1: get you a little pressure. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And I have to catch myself with that too, because
Speaker 2: that's that's the environment pre my my era and pre
Speaker 2: my era were like yeah, it wasn't about really like
Speaker 2: we're out here to have fun. It was like we're
Speaker 2: out here to fucking win. Yeah, you know, we're out
Speaker 2: here like to do a job, you know, And a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't like that, you know, especially nowadays,
Speaker 2: it's different.
Speaker 1: You know, things, it's really different.
Speaker 2: You know, you got you gotta love kids up and
Speaker 2: if you don't, you know, they could tank or something.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's definitely changed.
Speaker 1: Were those words built different? It applies to so many
Speaker 1: different ways, you know what I mean. I know, even
Speaker 1: with feel when we would do stuff like we would
Speaker 1: practice or and you would come to our practices, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, are they did they just lose? Our practice
Speaker 1: were intense? You know. Nowadays, guys they don't even practice anymore.
Speaker 1: They do walk through the practice. We would need to
Speaker 1: save our bodies, we need to load management. It's like
Speaker 1: all these practices prepared us for the games, that made
Speaker 1: the games easier. You think about Shaq and Kobe and
Speaker 1: you on the second team, they mad that day. They
Speaker 1: coming at you. That's gonna make you better. You know,
Speaker 1: that's gonna teach you the game even more. And that's
Speaker 1: just the way the games should be played. And it's
Speaker 1: so weird because I learned that when I first got
Speaker 1: in the lead, because I had Vernon Maxwell, Kenny Smith
Speaker 1: for Lodge and Oldest Thort. These guys went hard every day.
Speaker 1: Then when I got traded to the Phoenix Suns, I'm
Speaker 1: going in practice, I'm like, what is this a country club?
Speaker 1: They didn't practice hard, they didn't do this. I'm like,
Speaker 1: now I understand why we used to. When we were
Speaker 1: down three to one of you guys, we came back
Speaker 1: and beat you. Then we were down three to two,
Speaker 1: we came back and beach it. Because the mentality and
Speaker 1: the way you taught things in practice, there's no carryover
Speaker 1: to the games. And that's why you see and me
Speaker 1: from watching games, you can tell the teams that practice
Speaker 1: and the teams that don't practice.
Speaker 2: You know, it's gotten tricky too now because of the
Speaker 2: sports science and all this load management and this and that.
Speaker 2: And it started getting prevalent when I started, like middle
Speaker 2: of my career, where we were on the GPS things
Speaker 2: and they'd say you'd be down or you'd be up
Speaker 2: according to your energy output and your recovery levels and this.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of interesting to me because we're starting
Speaker 2: to see like so many more injuries. Like I was
Speaker 2: talking to our trainer and he goes, you know, we
Speaker 2: do everything by decades. It used to be get one achilles,
Speaker 2: you know, every couple of years. Now we're getting three achilles,
Speaker 2: you know a year. Yes, And it used to be
Speaker 2: where you practice so hard and if you didn't get
Speaker 2: out of camp, like if you'd get hurt in camp,
Speaker 2: but whoever calcified and made it through.
Speaker 1: Camp, you're going you're.
Speaker 2: Putting yourself in the best situation to finish a season,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Now it's kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: we can't practice them too hard, where maybe it's gone
Speaker 2: to the point where you're not stressing your body enough
Speaker 2: that when you hit that sudden jolt of energy in
Speaker 2: a game situation which you always get five percent higher
Speaker 2: because you're in competition and you have that adrenaline mode,
Speaker 2: so maybe the body's not used to it. So now
Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot more crazy injuries.
Speaker 1: See, I totally agree with you on that. I said
Speaker 1: to me, that's my philosophy because right now we went
Speaker 1: out and said, Okay, you and I are gonna run
Speaker 1: a hound of our dash and the competitive nature, and
Speaker 1: this is gonna come out. I'm probably gonna pull a hamster.
Speaker 1: You probably gonna finish, but not me because I'm fifty three.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna because we haven't trained. We haven't trained our bodies.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to tell people, like you
Speaker 1: gotta train your body so when you get into that moment,
Speaker 1: you ready for that moment. And Plus I also think
Speaker 1: that due to the fact in the NBA, guys can
Speaker 1: you know, smoke certain things to mask the injuries in
Speaker 1: the pain, so they say, okay, I'm smoke this, I
Speaker 1: don't feel no pain. Now you go out and like, okay,
Speaker 1: this was a worse injury than I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Now is out for the season. Injuries, So I think
Speaker 1: There's so many things like that that go into why
Speaker 1: guys aren't, you know, staying on the field of the
Speaker 1: core or as much as possible because they don't recognize
Speaker 1: what's going on.
Speaker 2: It was crazy, which it was my strength, but also
Speaker 2: probably what put me out was I would train so
Speaker 2: hard in the off season where you're taxing your body
Speaker 2: so hard that like you're redlining on injury just in
Speaker 2: off season training, just because you want to get your
Speaker 2: body to a whole other level for the season. You
Speaker 2: got to get it prepared for it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So I don't feel like that's happening as much.
Speaker 2: So then when you do put that energy output into
Speaker 2: a game, that's when things can go wrong. Your body's
Speaker 2: got to feel it, you know. So it's it's complicated.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the answers are, but it just
Speaker 2: to me, it seems like there's a lot more of
Speaker 2: these injuries, a lot more, you know, and maybe guys,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe need to take a teaspoon of.
Speaker 1: Some Yeah, and my trainings processing someone was very hard. Also,
Speaker 1: I've had three NBA players I'm not gonna call your
Speaker 1: name that would work out with me. And then by
Speaker 1: day three like, dude, I'm out a while. Like you
Speaker 1: trained to Art, I'm like, dude, you got to prepare
Speaker 1: yourself for when training camp comes, because back then we
Speaker 1: had training camp for what two weeks and it was
Speaker 1: two days. You want to be ready so you're not
Speaker 1: that third day of training camp you can barely move.
Speaker 1: So the guys like, now you train too hard. They said,
Speaker 1: you got to prepare your body foot so everything else
Speaker 1: will be easy. And it's just weird how there and
Speaker 1: these are superstars that you were like, oh crap. Just
Speaker 1: imagine if you trained Art, how good you would be.
Speaker 1: You know, some guys are just God gifted.
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the game in two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: what was life like for you?
Speaker 1: It was amazing, man. You know, you think about this.
Speaker 1: You're on the national stage with world stage because the
Speaker 1: game is so global now and you're able to go
Speaker 1: out and play for a team that you know hated
Speaker 1: you just two years ago because I was on the Lakers,
Speaker 1: And now you're able to go out and perform and
Speaker 1: have such a great perform much that it goes on
Speaker 1: as one of the best games ever. And for me,
Speaker 1: I remember my first year being with the Spurs, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there. They're getting their rings, they're beat us, and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting like shit, I never on this side of it.
Speaker 1: I'm using getting the ring. So the first year I
Speaker 1: was with the Spurs, I had a bad year. So
Speaker 1: this was my second year with the Spurs. So my
Speaker 1: second I was on a one year deal. I signed
Speaker 1: for like a million dollars. Nobody know this. I could
Speaker 1: have went to the Dallas Marricks and paid for like
Speaker 1: four million a year whatever it was. But I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I had such a bad year. I
Speaker 1: felt like I owe them, and I stayed. And that's
Speaker 1: the performance I had. And it's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is who I am. Don't look at what the
Speaker 1: performance because people, you know, they always say I only
Speaker 1: show up doing the playoffs is which not true. It's
Speaker 1: just you use me more in the playoffs because you
Speaker 1: know you need me and so that and for me,
Speaker 1: that game, that series was just incredible because if you
Speaker 1: go down the history of the nbing people I had
Speaker 1: to guard, it's been two guys that always giving me problem,
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan and Rashid Wallace because of their side and
Speaker 1: their athletic ability. And Rashih was just he's just a
Speaker 1: tough cover for me, and and and then win that
Speaker 1: series against him, even though a couple of years before
Speaker 1: that we won that series in Portland. But he was
Speaker 1: he just he's just one of the greatest players that
Speaker 1: nobody ever talks about because he could do a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything. So and I look back at that, yeah,
Speaker 1: and looking back at that ball spot a great spot.
Speaker 3: With him two bud lights two but heavies and both
Speaker 3: both to man Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was it was a fun series man.
Speaker 1: And and for me, like I said earlier, to have
Speaker 1: the performance I had in the fourth quarter and a
Speaker 1: little bit over time with no plays called for me
Speaker 1: is one of the best performances you can have. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after this quick break, dude.
Speaker 2: So we have a segment where we go back in
Speaker 2: time of two thousand and five, around the era of
Speaker 2: the the game and the number one movie was Batman Beginnings.
Speaker 1: You remember that movie? Yes, I do. The start of
Speaker 1: the trilogy for Christopher Nolan, one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: This is when I fucking loved because I was a
Speaker 2: huge Batman fan when I was a kid, and I
Speaker 2: had all the same same but they gave you It
Speaker 2: was like the first movie that gave the origins of
Speaker 2: where Batman came.
Speaker 1: From, you know, and the whole like he had to
Speaker 1: go and so you d Marl, I'm Batman. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like that. I like I like Marvel's. I like
Speaker 1: the original ones.
Speaker 2: It's just gotten a little too crazy now you know
Speaker 2: where everything's connected. I like like the original Iron Man,
Speaker 2: the original O G. Spider Man. You can never get
Speaker 2: wrong with all the spiders. I like the Spider Man's.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love Nick Fury though. You know, just who
Speaker 1: doesn't love Samuel Jackson. I just love Nick Ferry.
Speaker 2: He can't Samuel Jackson. I used to call Martella's Bennett.
Speaker 2: You remember markin He used to He used to get
Speaker 2: on these little tangents and he sounded just like Samuel
Speaker 2: ol Jackson when to me, yeah, just you know how
Speaker 2: like Samuel you got to be, you know, you be
Speaker 2: saying that ship team.
Speaker 1: Meetings and stuff. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: Number one song is We Belonged Together Mariah Carey. Actually,
Speaker 2: fun fact, my first concert ever, I was in eighth grade.
Speaker 1: I went and saw Maria Carrey.
Speaker 2: I was I was, I was like four foot two and.
Speaker 1: I actually get met her you bet I met her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was four foot two, so you could
Speaker 2: only imagine.
Speaker 1: I was like in heaven. I had the pleasure. I
Speaker 1: had the pleasure of meeting her once too because of
Speaker 1: Penny Marshall. You know, Penny Marshall was a good friend
Speaker 1: of mine. And she's like, oh, Mariah, has you want
Speaker 1: to go and out? Yes, and she is just like
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, she is so pretty.
Speaker 3: She is.
Speaker 1: I was like that was amazed.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and her voice, her regular talking voice, is
Speaker 2: just beautiful. Reddit was founded at this time on June
Speaker 2: twenty third. Do you ever go and Reddit?
Speaker 1: No, It's like it's basically I know what it is,
Speaker 1: but I never going. Like I have this, like this
Speaker 1: game that I have on my iPad and they says
Speaker 1: you have to be you go on read it and
Speaker 1: they tell you what to do. I'm like, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have a group, a text chain, a group of
Speaker 2: friends that are always talking about it. I'll jump on
Speaker 2: it here and there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, wedding crashers hits theater.
Speaker 1: Did you see that? Oh motor boat man, Yeah, those
Speaker 1: bad boys. Everybody loves wedding crashes man.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't don't think my daughter's gonna be all notch
Speaker 2: on the belt, not wearing a belt beltless.
Speaker 1: In the sports row. In two thousand and five, the
Speaker 1: Patriots beat the Eagles in Super.
Speaker 2: Bowl thirty four. That was a dream team that they beat.
Speaker 2: Remember that when but Tia bowled out with like a
Speaker 2: broken leg. Yeah, those were some good games. Tiger won,
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods won his fourth Master.
Speaker 1: That was must watch TV for me. Anytime he was
Speaker 1: playing Tiger. Yeah, that was like, that's like my favorite
Speaker 1: thing to watch it you play at golf. No, I
Speaker 1: don't play it all.
Speaker 2: I don't either, But I loved watching Tiger Woods because
Speaker 2: anytime at this era, it was like he was down
Speaker 2: three strokes going into Sunday.
Speaker 1: You knew there's blood in the water exactly. He had
Speaker 1: the red on. Tiger was just gonna go crazy. G
Speaker 1: Miller's final season in the NBA. What a stud Oh
Speaker 1: he was. You know. We actually tried to get him
Speaker 1: to come join the Spurs in two thousand after he retired.
Speaker 1: You know, come play with us. You know you got
Speaker 1: a chance to win a championship. He's like, nah, I'm done.
Speaker 1: You know I did it with him. I did it
Speaker 1: with Grant Hill. I'm like, come on, Grant, come join us. Man,
Speaker 1: get a chption. But Grant decided to go to the Suns.
Speaker 1: I'm like, see, I told you I don't lose, dude.
Speaker 1: Every other year I win the championship every other literally. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were saying KG tried to do that for
Speaker 3: the Celtics. They tried to get Reggie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He said, now again, I mean, hey, you gotta respect
Speaker 2: the man that says when he's done, he's done.
Speaker 1: A respect. That's you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Steve Nash won MVP. This is when Steve Nash era.
Speaker 1: This is that controversial. Let's hear it because this is
Speaker 1: the one where Kobe balled out. You know, this is
Speaker 1: what Kobe had to think. He had the eighty one
Speaker 1: point game and he was just and everybody's like, because
Speaker 1: when you do? You know, I love Steve Nash. Steve
Speaker 1: Nash was my rookie in Phoenix. It's like the NBA.
Speaker 1: I always look at the previous season. If you have
Speaker 1: the exact same stats, you don't win him. If you
Speaker 1: think about because Jordan really so he had the exact
Speaker 1: same stats. The team actually I think had more losses
Speaker 1: and he got MVP and everybody's like, what the hell
Speaker 1: is this? And it's just they didn't grade him on
Speaker 1: the curve as they graded MJ you know, Barkley and Dreaming,
Speaker 1: all these other guys who had won MVPs before me.
Speaker 1: You know, if you ask Shaq, Shaq say this is
Speaker 1: what he should have won it at Shaq, he should
Speaker 1: have won every played.
Speaker 3: This was Miami Shack too.
Speaker 1: This is Miami Shaq. Man. I love Shaq. I just
Speaker 1: ordered the chakaroni.
Speaker 3: The chacaroni is so underrated.
Speaker 2: I mean, I still have heart from Pepperoni.
Speaker 1: Ain't That's like my comfort food man, Pizza and football.
Speaker 1: That's the perfect thing. Where's your favorite pizza from? You
Speaker 1: know what? I don't you basketball guys, literally you have
Speaker 1: lives in every city. Yeah, so you like football.
Speaker 2: When we travel, we got meetings from when we get there.
Speaker 2: We got curfew. We got meetings in the morning. There
Speaker 2: ain't nobody leaving.
Speaker 1: We got no curfew. I know you guys, man, you
Speaker 1: know when you play in LA you only get to
Speaker 1: go to Miami once. I remember one time, man, we
Speaker 1: got into Miami maybe like at twelve o'clock. We got there,
Speaker 1: like five limos lined up and we went straight from
Speaker 1: the bus to Limbo and field, Like, what the hell
Speaker 1: y'all going? We're going out. I think everybottle team went out. Man,
Speaker 1: we already had the cars lined up and we went
Speaker 1: and hung out. It's like, shit, we don't get that much,
Speaker 1: so we going to hang out. And that's the one
Speaker 1: thing that you know now with the NBA set up,
Speaker 1: they couldn't did it in our era because now you
Speaker 1: think you go to city, you might play two games
Speaker 1: in that city. Man, it wouldn't have been no good
Speaker 1: for us. Man, So think about that. You know, you
Speaker 1: in Miami for like six days or something like that. Man,
Speaker 1: that's why you should have home home court advantage because
Speaker 1: you in Miami for six days of LA. Think about
Speaker 1: you in LA. Some guys in LA a week because
Speaker 1: you got the Clippers and you got the Lakers. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: if you don't win that game, those guys' legs should
Speaker 1: be dead from partying and doing all that. That's that
Speaker 1: type of stuff. So you know, that's that's for after dark, Edelman,
Speaker 1: we talk about the next time, but after dark games
Speaker 1: with names unrated baby, Yeah, exactly. Man. You know, Miami
Speaker 1: does start at twelve I mean, that's when you're starting
Speaker 1: to wrap up dinner. Let's set the stage jack for
Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons going into this game.
Speaker 3: Jump into the defending champ Pistons. Rob alluded to earlier.
Speaker 3: They were coming off that four to one win over
Speaker 3: the Lakers in the finals, so they had the bulls
Speaker 3: eye on their back. Larry Brown in his second season,
Speaker 3: second seed in the East. This is a team with
Speaker 3: the Wallace is Rip Hamilton Darko on the bench. Still,
Speaker 3: we got Antonio mcdce, We got Carlos Royal, mister big shot.
Speaker 3: We'll get into that later.
Speaker 1: Who the real pitch.
Speaker 3: We know who the real big shot is though Chauncey
Speaker 3: current Lakers head coach Darvin ham Uh. They had been
Speaker 3: Wallace Defensive Player of the Year. This was also the
Speaker 3: Malice in the Palace season, so don't forget that.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a what is your thoughts
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: What is the what are the boys talking about in
Speaker 2: the locker room after that shit goes down? Are you
Speaker 2: guys like I can't believe that happened?
Speaker 1: Or like, man, we're like, what the fuck were they think?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Even because I went into the stands once we get
Speaker 1: Vernon Maxwell. We was in Portland and luckily I just
Speaker 1: grabbed him to get him out of the stands and
Speaker 1: before anything went down. He got suspended I think five games,
Speaker 1: and I didn't get suspended. I only got like fine,
Speaker 1: like five grand or something like that. But that was bananas. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, people don't realize that year the Pacers probably
Speaker 1: beat them to go through the finals. The Pacers were
Speaker 1: freaking good that year. That team was a beasts. And
Speaker 1: now they open up the opportunity for these guys to
Speaker 1: do it doing But you know, I have the you
Speaker 1: know the pleasure of doing this at my show with
Speaker 1: the Lakers with our test sometimes he talks about it.
Speaker 1: He always says, yeah, he says, he don't know what.
Speaker 1: You know, he just clicked and he just lost out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, because it always started with him and
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace getting into it. Yeah, and so you I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen The Mouse in the Palace,
Speaker 1: but you have to watch. It's really good and it
Speaker 1: breaks it down and explains everything about the situation.
Speaker 3: Very into the game, like garbage times.
Speaker 1: The thing is with basketball, these people are right up
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you got a chili dog on a
Speaker 2: basketball sometimes when he's thrown out a boundary.
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy to me, you know. With with football,
Speaker 1: these guys have to be you know, there's like there's
Speaker 1: a there's a fucking block off. And then think about
Speaker 1: football always. I love football, like I said earlier, but
Speaker 1: when you watch it, it's like it's so hard to
Speaker 1: know who every guy is because see your faces, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you always cover it up. And the guys who really
Speaker 1: wear those black shields don't know how they see and
Speaker 1: catch balls with that, you don't know who they are.
Speaker 1: And it's like with us. You know, all we got
Speaker 1: was a tank top and some shorts, so you see
Speaker 1: a pretty much all of us. And so you and
Speaker 1: then the fans are right there on the court and
Speaker 1: they talking trash and they like in your ear and
Speaker 1: so it's it's just it's I I really appreciate my sport,
Speaker 1: but I kind of love your sport. The fact that
Speaker 1: you're walled off from the fans and then you can't
Speaker 1: really hear what they say. I know you probably can,
Speaker 1: but I just assume that you can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, worst fan base that that talk the
Speaker 2: most ship yours. Oh, I'll tell you mine afterwards, Utah, Utah.
Speaker 1: You heard that people don't understand the Utah Jazz fan
Speaker 1: or holes they are. They can say some wild and
Speaker 1: out of pocket stuff.
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, I have to you know, the I've played
Speaker 2: against some crazy fan bases. Buffalo is always crazy fun.
Speaker 2: But I had this part in the back of my head.
Speaker 1: I had these two lines and I went up to
Speaker 1: You're thinking I was tight. I went to Philly had
Speaker 1: like a mohawk thing, a couple of parts.
Speaker 2: This guy for fucking three straight hours talk ship about
Speaker 2: my goddamn partner backed.
Speaker 1: Man, that fucking part in the back is terrible. The
Speaker 1: whole night after I threw.
Speaker 2: A touchdown past that back game, I went right up
Speaker 2: to him, I looked at him and I just pointed
Speaker 2: at my part.
Speaker 1: You know, but it's fun, it's fun. Yeah, Well we
Speaker 1: got Jaggie.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that about does it for the Pistons.
Speaker 3: Great defensive team.
Speaker 1: Also, also, by the way, shout out. I was at
Speaker 1: Travis Scott two weeks ago and Rip was how was that,
Speaker 1: Travis Scott? Were you here? Rip was right next to
Speaker 1: me and Gronk. Me and Gronk went to it and
Speaker 1: we were talking.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Rip, he's a big ass football
Speaker 2: fan because him and Brady were cool. I think because
Speaker 2: he went to Yukon and you know, they were winning
Speaker 2: championships this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rip was thinking about sending his kids to Harvard
Speaker 1: West like they I think they went to Campbell Hall.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Rip always you know, he tells his kids
Speaker 1: he's never been dunked on, and then one of his
Speaker 1: kids says, then Robert Oloray dunk on you in the
Speaker 1: finals in the game five. Be like, uh, that don't
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Speaker 1: Let's get into these Spurs.
Speaker 3: These Spurs man another heck of a team. One started
Speaker 3: out super hot sixteen in the first twenty games, ended
Speaker 3: up winning fifty of their first sixty five tim battle
Speaker 3: a little bit of injury down the stretch. Missed twelve
Speaker 3: of the last sixteen games, but battled back that ankle
Speaker 3: injury was nagging. This was the team with Parker or
Speaker 3: Bruce Bowen, big shot Bob Jenobili. This was kind of
Speaker 3: Genobi's coming out party first year, who was an All star,
Speaker 3: really came into his own. Picked up Nausey Muhammad in
Speaker 3: the mid season, which was big down the stretch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: other big body helped him out there. All stars Genobili
Speaker 3: and Duncan Pop of course. This was I mean middle
Speaker 3: of the dynasty one in nine and then three and
Speaker 3: now we're going for the the second and three years.
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So you go from Lake Show with Coach Jackson and
Speaker 2: Kobe and Shaq and then you go like to Pop
Speaker 2: and you got Duncan. What like, what's that culture? Like?
Speaker 2: How is that like going from a team that you
Speaker 2: guys probably hated and be like similar pillar type organizations
Speaker 2: that have.
Speaker 1: Superstars that run the league. So it'll be like going
Speaker 1: from the city with big lights to a small country town.
Speaker 1: It's just how it is. You think about all the flash.
Speaker 1: You know, you got all these celebrities. You know, you
Speaker 1: look up. Halle Berry's over there, look up there, Gwynith
Speaker 1: Pouth throws over there. You got all these stars. You know,
Speaker 1: Denzel's coming up to you saying, yo, man, y'all sucked
Speaker 1: the now you need to get you know, get it going.
Speaker 1: And then you get to yeah motivating, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get to san Antonio. You got Tommy Lee over there,
Speaker 1: who don't say thathing, you know. But it's it's a
Speaker 1: big difference in the culture as far as what you
Speaker 1: have access to pop control. San Antonio, like he wouldn't
Speaker 1: let you do anything that if it wasn't a part
Speaker 1: of their organization. Like I had. I used to do
Speaker 1: a clinic, a basketball clinic and they were an HB sponsor,
Speaker 1: and I had Walmart. He got mad at me because
Speaker 1: you know, HGB is our sponsor, Like that ain't got
Speaker 1: shit to do with me. You know, I'm doing this
Speaker 1: for the kids, and this is who my sponsor is.
Speaker 1: And he literally they literally got mad at me because
Speaker 1: I'm like, you, well, if you want to donate fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to my charity, let's go and let's do it.
Speaker 1: And then they were like, now you go ahead and
Speaker 1: do your thing. And so he had so much control
Speaker 1: of that town and the players were just like very disciplined.
Speaker 1: You think about it, the culture. We always talk about
Speaker 1: culture and sports. You got Pop Military, you got bless You,
Speaker 1: you got David Robinson, who's melitary. Those were the two
Speaker 1: seeds that really started that franchise. Yeah, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: get these guys. And Tim Duncan is just, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a product of his environment. He's very disciplined. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do much, you know, if it ain't
Speaker 1: about video games, cars, a poker, he don't want nothing
Speaker 1: to do it. You know. But I think basketball is
Speaker 1: probably fourth on that list. And so he's just that
Speaker 1: type of individual where he's just gonna lock in and
Speaker 1: do this. And Manu was like that. Tony was the
Speaker 1: only one that was kind of like a wild child.
Speaker 1: When he started dating Eva, it was like, hold on,
Speaker 1: we don't want the spotlight on us. And now you're
Speaker 1: dating even Longoria that's more of a spotlight. And pot
Speaker 1: was like he didn't really like it too much, but
Speaker 1: you know, you can't get in the way of love.
Speaker 1: And then you got Bruce, who was that type of
Speaker 1: it was. It was the culture, it was who he
Speaker 1: brought in is how he wanted it. And he controlled
Speaker 1: the narrative so much. That's why the teams were so
Speaker 1: good because he put his stamp on the team as
Speaker 1: far as field feels like, hey, we're gonna run the triangle,
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it this way. We can be disciplined
Speaker 1: enough to run the system like it's supposed to and
Speaker 1: only yoga. Yeah, we're gonna talk our feelings. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's no difference in you know when you get to
Speaker 1: the great coaches. Yeah, they're all very structured and you
Speaker 1: believe in them and you believe in their system, so
Speaker 1: you kind of do what you need to do and
Speaker 1: if you get a wild child, you kind of next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of either out the door or
Speaker 1: at the end of the bench.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's so similar to what Yeah, I lived in,
Speaker 2: you know, because if you think about it, we're in
Speaker 2: we were in Foxborough, which is it's a town. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you have Boston, you have Providence, but like
Speaker 2: most of the guys, I didn't everyone lived in Foxboro,
Speaker 2: like Plainville, which is right there. It's very small towny,
Speaker 2: and you know, I just wonder if like Pop and Belichick,
Speaker 2: like they sound eerly similar.
Speaker 1: They probably are, you know, that's what they you know,
Speaker 1: they probably do. They kind of look alike sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: messed up here and don't give a shit how they look,
Speaker 1: just dressed what it would. I think the best thing
Speaker 1: for Pop was the fact that we got that the
Speaker 1: coaches now don't have to wear suits, because that's just
Speaker 1: the San Antonio culture.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: They never wanted to wear suits. They just want to,
Speaker 1: you know, do their job and go home.
Speaker 3: I hate the quarter ziplification, man, I hate the quarter zips.
Speaker 1: You gotta get back the suits.
Speaker 3: I'm looking, I'm doing deep dives on Alabama basketball. I'm
Speaker 3: seeing Wim Sanderson wearing the sickest plaid sport good of
Speaker 3: all time. And now I get quarter zip universe over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, look, you gotta think about it, man.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now.
Speaker 2: For a coach on that hardwood with them dress shoes
Speaker 2: in a suit, man, for two hours, what is it
Speaker 2: two hours two and a half hours basketball game? I
Speaker 2: mean some of the sores I've ever been is when
Speaker 2: I preseason games and you just stand in some shitty
Speaker 2: shoes or some cleats, like because.
Speaker 1: You're not playing, yeah, and you stand for three hours.
Speaker 1: I'll tip my hat to coaches in the fucking dress shoes.
Speaker 1: That's why most coaches that are smart, you know, they
Speaker 1: sit down. They just sit there. You see. Now all
Speaker 1: these coaches want to stay on the sideline, Like why
Speaker 1: you cut on the side, Let's go sit down. You're
Speaker 1: in the damn way, young, young coach.
Speaker 2: Are the pop dinners as legendary as people say they are?
Speaker 1: If it's nochi lop lops of nochi? And why he
Speaker 1: loves his wine he loves his noch and those dinners
Speaker 1: were we would go to those dinners and I'm like,
Speaker 1: fuck nocchi again, man, dude, everybody doesn't like what you like.
Speaker 1: And so I was always make friends with whoever to
Speaker 1: show hey, man, can you bring me a bring me
Speaker 1: a kettle, one tonic, bring me something you know, and
Speaker 1: then bring me a uh, bring me a steak. And
Speaker 1: I will always try to find a way around what
Speaker 1: he wanted. You know. So he got to a point
Speaker 1: where he was like, just order what you want, guys,
Speaker 1: it's on me, and don't ever do that. I was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: bring me something that louis out here. Now. He did
Speaker 1: that just to build the team he was trying to build.
Speaker 1: He just dove doing it, you know, because it's his team.
Speaker 1: It's ding team building. But I think to me, it
Speaker 1: was more so to keep us together. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you got a team, you got to worry
Speaker 1: about keeping us together. Now, this was the Lakers, we'd
Speaker 1: be all over the place. But this team, everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to do stuff together. We wanted to go to movies together.
Speaker 1: We wanted to go to comedy shows together. We just
Speaker 1: did a lot of stuff together.
Speaker 2: So that's the difference between the Dynasties and Lakers. You know,
Speaker 2: they were out and about doing that thing intensil town, Hollywood,
Speaker 2: Oh Hollywood's good, and then you know.
Speaker 1: You're going to comedy shows. Nity. Is that the biggest
Speaker 1: difference between the Dynasties. That's that's the biggest diference. And
Speaker 1: because if you really think, you think about the dynamics,
Speaker 1: you had a really good guard in Jenobli and Kobe,
Speaker 1: you had a really good big and Tim and Shaq,
Speaker 1: and then you had really like Bruce Bourne's pretty much
Speaker 1: our Rick Fox and I was me and me on
Speaker 1: both teams. So you look at the culture you have him,
Speaker 1: you kind of have mirror images of everybody, but they
Speaker 1: had this was probably better in this aspect and vice versa.
Speaker 1: But I just think when you look at this era
Speaker 1: of basketball, you always had something center around a really
Speaker 1: good big. And for me, even though everybody now looks
Speaker 1: at the madel that Golden State put out there and
Speaker 1: they went in there all their championships, and everybody tries
Speaker 1: to immilate that now, you know, back then it was MLA,
Speaker 1: you know, dream MLA, Patrick Ewing, Shack, Tim Duncans, all
Speaker 1: these legendary bigs, and now it's all about legendary guards
Speaker 1: and not realizing there's only been one team that's one
Speaker 1: with the legendary guards outside you know, outside of the Bulls.
Speaker 1: But they had Scotty Pepper, who he's a guard. But
Speaker 1: everybody wants to immlate Golden State wars like it only
Speaker 1: happened because you got the two best shooters of all
Speaker 1: time on one team. And if you have that you
Speaker 1: can do it because you know, Milwaukee wanted big, Lakers
Speaker 1: want it big. You know, look at Denver want it big.
Speaker 1: You gotta have a dominant big to win this game
Speaker 1: and be but every now and then you have a
Speaker 1: lucky guy like the Golden State Warriors. I like, I
Speaker 1: like seeing them do well.
Speaker 2: I like seeing them, but it's not my squad anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they still have a good big and Draymond Green.
Speaker 1: So Ramon, he's the stir that that that stirs that thing.
Speaker 1: He's the straw that stirs the drink. That's what the saying.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to basketball, I think you always
Speaker 1: have to have someone with a little nasty in him.
Speaker 1: It's not afraid to like talk trash, elbow someone in
Speaker 1: the mouth or something like that, because you you have
Speaker 1: to have that to try to intimidate people. Got to you,
Speaker 1: got it? We got any Kobe stories before we go
Speaker 1: to our next summent. I think for me, you know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about hard workers, you know, you hear
Speaker 1: the stories and you hear what he's doing, but and
Speaker 1: you appreciate everything. But the thing he had that nobody
Speaker 1: ever told me. He had a thirst for knowledge. That's
Speaker 1: what I always say yeah he has. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can talk about football, basketball, the piano, you know, movies, music.
Speaker 1: He had a thirst for everything, you know. I remember
Speaker 1: we were on the plane coming from somewhere. We were
Speaker 1: playing spades and he's sitting there like this, just looking
Speaker 1: and just looking because he wanted to learn how to
Speaker 1: play space. I'm like, dude, I said, you're black. You're
Speaker 1: supposed to have to play space. Dude. He's like, see,
Speaker 1: this is what happened. When you don't go to college.
Speaker 1: You don't have downtime. We have to play space and
Speaker 1: so and it was just weird that, you know, I
Speaker 1: taught him how to play space, and I'm gonna back
Speaker 1: this thing up. And the first moment I ever met Kobe,
Speaker 1: I had just got traded to the Lakers and we
Speaker 1: just finished a shoot around and this shoot around. This
Speaker 1: dude going like one hundred miles power. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: this is shoot around. Calm down. I gotta get better.
Speaker 1: I said, you're not gonna get better when we're walking
Speaker 1: and you're running. So after practice he comes over. I
Speaker 1: thought he's gonna you know, I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: to know me. He was like, so, how was dream?
Speaker 1: He wanted to know how Dream was with, how Dream
Speaker 1: footwork were, what kind of work he put in, And
Speaker 1: then he want to know about Vernon's defense because Vernon
Speaker 1: was one of the ones that was known to guard
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan the best. He just wanted to know. He's
Speaker 1: just picking my brain about everybody I played with because
Speaker 1: he's like, you're champion, tom me, how it was. I'm
Speaker 1: like sitting there and we literally sat out the practice
Speaker 1: for like forty five minutes, you know, just talking about
Speaker 1: my two championships with the with the Rockets and how
Speaker 1: it was and how we won and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. He was just amazed at, you know, learning
Speaker 1: Dreams footwork.
Speaker 2: That is, I mean, that is such a perfect way.
Speaker 2: I don't I didn't know him, but he came and
Speaker 2: spoke to our team. Uh And we used to have
Speaker 2: guys all the time come in speak in the off season,
Speaker 2: come speak to the team. And that's exactly what I
Speaker 2: what I think about when I think of Kobe Bryant. Knowledge, thirsty, yes,
Speaker 2: and how diversified.
Speaker 1: His interests were. Yes, and the killer instinct that he had.
Speaker 1: Those are the three things.
Speaker 2: Because he was asking, you know, we broke up into
Speaker 2: some groups, and you know, a couple of us sat
Speaker 2: with them and talked, and he was asking us just
Speaker 2: as many questions as we were asking him.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Because he wants he loved winning. Yes,
Speaker 1: he just wanted to win. He wanted to do anything.
Speaker 1: It took just from the two hours that I got
Speaker 1: to spend around him. Yeah, And I think his intensity
Speaker 1: was too intense for a lot of people, especially in
Speaker 1: the basketball world, because if you go back, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of people that didn't like him because they
Speaker 1: understand him. He's like he had that philosophy is like
Speaker 1: most people from the ain'ts had, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: to be your friend. I'm not trying to go hang
Speaker 1: out with you. I'm trying to kick your butt, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing that I appreciate about what
Speaker 1: Yanna said. Now he says, I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: anybody's friend. You can come play with me and then
Speaker 1: I'll be your friend. But other than that, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be your friend because if I got to
Speaker 1: punch you in the mouth, I gotta punch in the mouth.
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the attitude you gotta have. And
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is with you guys like
Speaker 1: I couldn't do with you guys at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. You go out there and you shake hands
Speaker 1: with it. But I can't do that shit unless I
Speaker 1: played with him in college. I ain't doing that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's definitely changed.
Speaker 2: And Brady went on record a couple of days ago
Speaker 2: saying that, you know how it's changed like that. We
Speaker 2: I remember I hated the New York Jets when I
Speaker 2: first got there. I remember Bart Scott getting in my
Speaker 2: fucking offensive coordinator Billy O'Brien's face.
Speaker 1: And saying, fuck you White.
Speaker 2: Literally there's close I'm sitting there, Billy Oh's motherfuck him.
Speaker 2: I was like, these people, we really hate this team.
Speaker 2: That was my introduction to like hating someone. And uh,
Speaker 2: just a lot of messes that, you know, but that
Speaker 2: was that's competition, you know.
Speaker 1: And speaking of messes, let's segue to how we clean
Speaker 1: up messes.
Speaker 2: We have the bounty Wingman question of the day, because
Speaker 2: when you have a mess, you know how to clean
Speaker 2: up the mess with the bounty paper. How can you
Speaker 2: bring them in here?
Speaker 1: Sam?
Speaker 2: So we have this wingman question segment. These are the
Speaker 2: one not those wings that are so hot when we
Speaker 2: don't do that. Here, take one of these.
Speaker 1: And it's time for the Bounty wingman question.
Speaker 2: Bounty is everyone's favorite wingman because you can't have football
Speaker 2: without wings, and you can't have wings without Bounty.
Speaker 1: We got the wings. Let's try these wings. We got
Speaker 1: the blue. That's your hun Did you make these yourself?
Speaker 1: So my question for you is who is someone from
Speaker 1: your career you consider your wingman? Someone you knew that
Speaker 1: when they were on the cord, even without them, you
Speaker 1: could always be like you knew where they're at. Who's
Speaker 1: your wing man from the From the Rockets, I had
Speaker 1: really two wing men. It was Sam Cassel because we
Speaker 1: were you know, same age, came in the league at
Speaker 1: the same time. But when I know, if I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready to get into a fight or some you know,
Speaker 1: some pushing, and Shoven's gonna be there, Vernon Maxwell right
Speaker 1: there behind you, you know, to probably take over the fight.
Speaker 2: You got always guys that you bringing his alley.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then when I got to the Lakers, it
Speaker 1: was it was more show Rick Fox. Rick Fox was
Speaker 1: my wing man, Rick Yeah. Is he not too pretty
Speaker 1: to be a wing man? No? Rick rick Iss Feiston
Speaker 1: man you forget him, I know, but you wing man
Speaker 1: is supposed to But and then you got to think
Speaker 1: about it. If you know, if you're going out in
Speaker 1: the town, who better than have a pretty ball with
Speaker 1: you man? You get and the crazy part of his
Speaker 1: ex wife, my ex wife when we were married to
Speaker 1: our best friends now still today because he and I
Speaker 1: were wingmen. Yeah, so and then they get the spurs.
Speaker 1: It was. It was Bruce Boyne. You know, we sat
Speaker 1: next to each other on the plane, you know, same
Speaker 1: age kind of, and so we just kind of hung out.
Speaker 1: So those are my those are wing men's. It's different
Speaker 1: when you have three different teams, you know. And if
Speaker 1: you for me, it is you always kind of gravitate
Speaker 1: towards people who have the same work ethic as you,
Speaker 1: who have from similar backgrounds, without a doubt. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that because some of my wing men, oh you
Speaker 1: know they did.
Speaker 2: We didn't have the same backgrounds, but we definitely have
Speaker 2: the same values, you know, Matthew Slater, I had different kind.
Speaker 1: Of wing man's.
Speaker 2: You know, you have wingman for like if you if
Speaker 2: you need some some holiness or or some some loving up,
Speaker 2: or you need some to feel good, that was Matthew Slater.
Speaker 2: If I'm going out for a little mischief, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have a little crazy night.
Speaker 1: My wingman's Danny A. Mondola, you know, you know. And
Speaker 1: if I need some production and I need that rock,
Speaker 1: my wing man is Brady. I gotta go with Brady.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Bounty and Wings my favorite duo. And that was the
Speaker 2: Bounty wing man question. What a delicious, delicious wing and
Speaker 2: even leaner.
Speaker 1: Face because of Bounty. It gets in your beard, right,
Speaker 1: So when you and Danny every went out, did they
Speaker 1: ever get y'all confused? No, that's pretty racist. Due it's
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: No, honestly, it happens all the time. And I say
Speaker 2: the same things.
Speaker 1: White guys. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Because it'll either be you know, they mix you, mix
Speaker 2: you up with Welker Amondola or or or me.
Speaker 1: But think about the three of y'all together, which is great.
Speaker 1: We didn't know well, I know you didn't play together.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, y'all, just the things y'all able
Speaker 1: to do is just pro like will and greatness to me,
Speaker 1: and and the precision y'all used to do it, and
Speaker 1: the way that y'all used to just you know, put
Speaker 1: your bodies on the line. Was like, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't do that. Ship you could if it.
Speaker 2: Was your field, if mom would have let you play football,
Speaker 2: you would.
Speaker 1: Have done it. Man, I got too much area to hit.
Speaker 2: Mantonio Gates basketball guys.
Speaker 1: Man, they can go out there and make a ball.
Speaker 2: But the funny thing is, you said, Sam Cassell, you
Speaker 2: know the same.
Speaker 1: You know Sam? He's my boy, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Me and Mondola one day because Sam we got We
Speaker 2: linked up one time and we brought him out over
Speaker 2: to the bungalow over in Santa Monica. He was coaching,
Speaker 2: I think, and we had a crazy day at the
Speaker 2: bungalow and we've stayed in contact ever since.
Speaker 1: But he's he's because now he's in Boston. He's in Boston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just hit me up. But Sam's Sam. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a good dude. Yeah. We lived across the street from
Speaker 1: each other. When we first got to the Rockets. We
Speaker 1: was dry to practice together. We used to complained about
Speaker 1: Rudy t not running no plays for us to gether.
Speaker 1: We did allowed to have a guy to complain with. Yeah, exactly, Matthew,
Speaker 1: are you sitting there like fuse coach. Yeah, Jackie set
Speaker 1: up the stage of.
Speaker 3: This game all right, leading it up. As we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 3: before this game this game five were tied to to
Speaker 3: We stressed on the importance of a game five in
Speaker 3: these kind of series seventeen the last twenty three winners
Speaker 3: of Game five go on to win the series. That
Speaker 3: is true in this instance as well. Each game leading
Speaker 3: up to Game five was decided by double digits, which
Speaker 3: was which was kind of a surprise given this was
Speaker 3: This was a battle of two defensive minded teams to
Speaker 3: top five defenses pretty evenly matched.
Speaker 1: As the day we're defense wins championships, which was it was.
Speaker 3: It was surprising that all these games were were double digits,
Speaker 3: so people were kind of waiting for that one game
Speaker 3: turned out to be Game five where it was gonna
Speaker 3: be neck and neck overtime down to the wire. The
Speaker 3: game before this, Game four was a thirty one, ugly,
Speaker 3: one oh two seventy one loss for the Spurs. Pop
Speaker 3: called it the worst half of basketball he's seen an
Speaker 3: NBA playoff team play, So I can only imagine how
Speaker 3: that that went. After that game, Robert, you know, it
Speaker 3: was weird.
Speaker 1: After that game, Pop was like, you know, he came in,
Speaker 1: we just got to ask kick. You know, forget about it.
Speaker 1: Let's prepare for tomorrow, go get some rests, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna go on to the next one. It's like and
Speaker 1: as a player, when you get your ass kicked, you
Speaker 1: know you got and the coach can come in in
Speaker 1: and say, because you already pissed, especially in the situation
Speaker 1: like this game four, you should have won this game.
Speaker 1: You know, you thought you should have won the game,
Speaker 1: but we just got to ask him and see, you
Speaker 1: know what, wash it. And the worst thing they ever
Speaker 1: do to someone is beat them like that because the
Speaker 1: next game, you know you're gonna be really pissed off.
Speaker 1: So it's that added motivation.
Speaker 3: And this was this was tough because, as Robert was
Speaker 3: saying earlier, this was back in the days of two
Speaker 3: three to two. So you just get your ass kicked there.
Speaker 3: You're hoping to go home these days, you go back
Speaker 3: to your place, you win game five, but we're steal
Speaker 3: in Auburn Hills here, So this was this was a
Speaker 3: tough turnaround before game five. Also noted that the series
Speaker 3: prior to this went seven games, so Detroit was kind
Speaker 3: of come and off a short wrestling lant two days
Speaker 3: two days rest before the series started, So some say
Speaker 3: maybe that's why they dropped the first two. I mean, quick, ress,
Speaker 3: they got right back into it. This was also the
Speaker 3: first meeting of two NBA Prior champions since eighty seven
Speaker 3: Celtics Lakers in this matchup. But yeah, getting into this
Speaker 3: all kind of leading up to Game five.
Speaker 2: Man, So I just want to know what's the mindset
Speaker 2: going into finals for your team going into this because
Speaker 2: you're you're playing the champs from the year before, but
Speaker 2: you guys were kind of I mean, you're a champ,
Speaker 2: you've been champing all your career, but you guys were
Speaker 2: kind of in that process of becoming a team that
Speaker 2: had that dynasty, you know what I mean. Yeah, So like,
Speaker 2: how do you what's the mindset going into it as
Speaker 2: a team? And then individually for you, someone who's played
Speaker 2: in every other year is in a fucking championship, So
Speaker 2: what made you know? What were the what were the mindsets?
Speaker 1: The mindset is to clear your mind of all the
Speaker 1: outside noise and what gonna be My dad is not
Speaker 1: the think about tickets, not think about you know, your parents,
Speaker 1: your wife, your kids, Because you can get off track.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird. You know, you think about
Speaker 1: your kids, but you just say, you know, you have
Speaker 1: a partner that's really good. Did like, I got you,
Speaker 1: this is the most important time in your career. I
Speaker 1: got everything. If anything pops up that I think you
Speaker 1: need to be involved in, I'll let you know. But
Speaker 1: you clear your mind. So your only focus is basketball.
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing about what Popper was really
Speaker 1: good about. He was good at showing you not to
Speaker 1: do this, not do that, block out this, block out that.
Speaker 1: So the only thing you need to do is basketball.
Speaker 1: And I kind of already knew that though before coming
Speaker 1: into the situation. I learned that, you know, dealing with
Speaker 1: you know, the Rockets and the Lakers and five championships
Speaker 1: before this one, and so you learn how to block
Speaker 1: out the noise. And my whole thing was I used
Speaker 1: to always take a moment and just kind of meditate
Speaker 1: and do visualization. That was my key, where I vision
Speaker 1: the ball going in, the vision the ball going in,
Speaker 1: you know, locking this up, playing this role defense, thinking
Speaker 1: about my opponent has to do, and going over the
Speaker 1: plays and these were all things that you know I
Speaker 1: would do personally and then you know that, you know,
Speaker 1: and I would tell like Tim like like dude, I'd
Speaker 1: be in his ear like, you Knowshid kicks your ass man,
Speaker 1: you know, little motivating things like that. And I would
Speaker 1: go to Genova, Yo, man, just play wild and fierce,
Speaker 1: but under control. And you look at me, like what
Speaker 1: I said, play wild and fish under control. When I
Speaker 1: say under control means if it's not one hundred percent
Speaker 1: sure you can get that pass to a guy, don't
Speaker 1: throw it. It's like, okay, gotcha. And you had to
Speaker 1: just and some of the guys you talked to Tony,
Speaker 1: I would Tony, just played under control. I love Tony.
Speaker 1: You didn't really to say much to him. So it
Speaker 1: was all these things that within the game, within the
Speaker 1: game that we had to do to prepare. But it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a hell of a series.
Speaker 2: People don't realize that the distractions that come with going
Speaker 2: into a championship series for you guys, for a game.
Speaker 1: For us, that was the thing.
Speaker 2: You know, like as soon as you made to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, we'd have that week off and you go
Speaker 2: into you know, you you had to deal with tickets,
Speaker 2: getting the hotels for your family, friends, getting all that
Speaker 2: situated in the first two days so you could literally
Speaker 2: do everything you could to win the game. Because this
Speaker 2: is one thing Belichick used to tell us. He goes,
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to go out and have
Speaker 2: fun with your family, this that you know, and you
Speaker 2: lose the game, it ain't gonna be a good memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You do all this, it's for your The festivities are
Speaker 2: for your family. You go out and win, You're gonna
Speaker 2: have the greatest memory of your life, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So put everything that you can control, your
Speaker 2: blinders on, do extra of the little things so you
Speaker 2: can go out and play fast, free and subconsciously like
Speaker 2: dialed for the game, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: it's crazy to hear you talk about visualization, because I
Speaker 2: used to do that every every day, you know, with
Speaker 2: I do these bald drills off the walls to get
Speaker 2: my eyes right for the day, you know, so for
Speaker 2: reactions and ship and I would always want I was
Speaker 2: doing and I was visualizing, you know, catch hit cat,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, all those little things. And
Speaker 2: it's crazy how far that takes an athlete, you know, So.
Speaker 1: Did it take did it carry over into your dreams though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I had the same dream since I was
Speaker 2: like twelve.
Speaker 1: I had a coach. His name was I think it was.
Speaker 1: He was an older guy soccer football, football's.
Speaker 2: I think it's he's Polly and uh. I remember he
Speaker 2: was teaching me. I was a little running back and
Speaker 2: he I remember him telling me about this. You got
Speaker 2: to use a stiff arm too when you're on the sideline.
Speaker 2: Stiff arm and a spin so the guy overruns it.
Speaker 1: And you can throw him by.
Speaker 2: And I've had and I had the same dream where
Speaker 2: I was at Santa Clara High School playing against Oak
Speaker 2: Grove and I did the move and I scored. I
Speaker 2: still have that dream of this day, Like I don't
Speaker 2: know why.
Speaker 1: It's crazy like for me, I would literally have that
Speaker 1: and then my wife, my first wife, would wake me up,
Speaker 1: like you're doing it again. I'm literally playing a game
Speaker 1: and we literally have to get up and change the
Speaker 1: sheets because I would literally be sweating like I played
Speaker 1: the game. It was the weirdest thing ever. And that
Speaker 1: shows you how powerful the mind is if you can
Speaker 1: you know, believe it, achieve it, and see if you
Speaker 1: can do it. So it was like crazy, how like okay,
Speaker 1: then I go out another game like that's one of
Speaker 1: the when I had those dreams like that, I usually
Speaker 1: shot the ball really good the next game because my
Speaker 1: mind just took over. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's a back and forth night.
Speaker 1: Yeah all night.
Speaker 2: Were there any of the big game adjustments from Pop
Speaker 2: at halftime or anything.
Speaker 1: No, The only big game adjustment was me at halftime
Speaker 1: because I think I was zero for three or oh
Speaker 1: for four. I sucked in the first at And I
Speaker 1: remember sitting in the corner, and I like to always
Speaker 1: put my locker in the corner doing the playoffs, So
Speaker 1: you know, no distracts even from my teammates with guys
Speaker 1: listening to their music. As a girl, you know, talking
Speaker 1: on the phone. I was like I was literally there
Speaker 1: talking to myself, and I could see Bruce Boyn kind
Speaker 1: of look at me because I was like saying, Yo, Rob,
Speaker 1: you fucking sucked the night you're supposed to be big
Speaker 1: shop Bob, you fucking terrible. I'm telling myself that I said,
Speaker 1: you got to get going. You know this, you don't
Speaker 1: you don't win this game, you might lose, I'm telling
Speaker 1: And Bruce is looking at me like this dude going crazy, right,
Speaker 1: And so I and I rarely do that. And then
Speaker 1: I did that, and then next thing, you know, I
Speaker 1: come out in the second half, I just ball out
Speaker 1: because it's you have to play those mind tricks with yourself.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to talk yourself into a moment. And
Speaker 1: I talk myself to me to one of the greatest
Speaker 1: moments in NBA history as far as like you know,
Speaker 1: dropping twenty one with no plays call for you and
Speaker 1: not being the main car get the machine. So I
Speaker 1: just felt like, Okay, I did what I needed to
Speaker 1: do to get me over that hump.
Speaker 2: Talking yourself into moments, folks, kids, talk yourself in the moments,
Speaker 2: says Bruce Lee used to say when you say negative
Speaker 2: things in your mind. I don't know the actual quote,
Speaker 2: but I should set it on Instagram, you know.
Speaker 1: But it stays there. It stays there, and it all.
Speaker 3: It all boils down to what Rob said before this
Speaker 3: game in the presser. A lot of people talk to talk.
Speaker 3: We gotta go out there and walk the walk.
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta take us, you gotta take us. Okay,
Speaker 2: They're back and forth, back and forth. We're here to
Speaker 2: talk about one thing, and one thing. Take us through
Speaker 2: the last shot. Beat by beat.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we're sitting there. The play was actually
Speaker 1: for my Minu Genoble. It wasn't for me. I was
Speaker 1: supposed to mbound into Minu and then set a pick,
Speaker 1: pick and roll for so he can get to the rat.
Speaker 1: And so I'm seeing him come off the pick from
Speaker 1: Tim and I was like, Okay, the only past I
Speaker 1: can do is to bounce pass, because that's the only
Speaker 1: I can get to a bounce path. And bounce passes
Speaker 1: I hate, but sometimes you got. And when I bounced it,
Speaker 1: Rashid kind of looked at it like, oh, he's really close,
Speaker 1: so he went for the trap, and so I just
Speaker 1: stepped in and I was on fire. So I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to try to put it on the floor to
Speaker 1: create for you anyone. So I took the shot and
Speaker 1: and after I was watching, I didn't realize Tayshawn Prince,
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players in the game. He
Speaker 1: almost blocked the shot. But when you so focused on
Speaker 1: your shot, you don't even see him. And then next
Speaker 1: thing you know, it rattles in and we go up,
Speaker 1: we go up, and we win this game. Man. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, you know, I noticing the clip
Speaker 1: earlier that you had. You showed Eminem up there, and
Speaker 1: I never talked trash. And Eminem was behind the bench,
Speaker 1: said you won't be getting number six to night, buddy,
Speaker 1: and I looked at him, and so I started talking
Speaker 1: trash to Eminem because I said, I said, after they
Speaker 1: hit that first, I said, you in fucking trouble now, dog,
Speaker 1: they better fucking get me. I SAIDs on s. He
Speaker 1: just started smiling, right. He didn't say much. And then
Speaker 1: after I did this dunk on rip, I looked at
Speaker 1: him like, I told you, it's fucking over. So it
Speaker 1: was just it was just one of those things. I
Speaker 1: never talked trash. But when someone talks trash me and
Speaker 1: it's Eminem, you know, one of the greatest rappers all
Speaker 1: the time, go we them. Yeah, And so I had
Speaker 1: to talk trash back to her man. So moment we
Speaker 1: got to rename this game. This is the Eminem game.
Speaker 2: Eminem, thank you for talking ship the big shot Bob,
Speaker 2: because it made him talk himself into a moment. He
Speaker 2: talked himself into a moment.
Speaker 3: Twenty one points in the last seventeen minutes.
Speaker 2: Twenty one points in the last seventeen.
Speaker 3: We also got who's who of Michigan here tonight. Chris
Speaker 3: Weber's in the building. Jalen Rose is in the building.
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders is in the Barry Sanders, tom Izzo's in
Speaker 3: the building. Michael Moore's in the building.
Speaker 1: We got we got Kid Rocket.
Speaker 3: Rock Car America the Beautiful before the game. Yeah, Penny Marshall,
Speaker 3: the homie, is in the building. Just to name a few.
Speaker 3: How'd you guys become tight?
Speaker 1: By the way, uh, you know Lakers with the Lakers,
Speaker 1: My seats used to be behind Penny Marshall's seats for
Speaker 1: the Lakers, and my middle son was he will always
Speaker 1: come to the court and give me a hug before
Speaker 1: the games, and and Penny would see the relationship we had.
Speaker 1: So next thing, I know, two games later, I'm looking,
Speaker 1: He's sitting in Penny's lap eating Krispy Kreme, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the hell going on? He just I just loved
Speaker 1: She's like, I just love your son. And that's the
Speaker 1: one thing about you know, the Lakers season ticket holes
Speaker 1: that sit on the court some of the nicest people
Speaker 1: you ever meet, and if you treat them with respect,
Speaker 1: they gonna you know, you know, develop a relationship I
Speaker 1: remember this one lady. I can't. I can't. I cannot
Speaker 1: remember her name anymore. But I fell on her doing
Speaker 1: the game and I tried to avoid her, but it's
Speaker 1: one of these ones you can't avoid. And she was
Speaker 1: the elder lady. Every game I will go out and
Speaker 1: ask her how she's doing actually doing so. She remember
Speaker 1: like three games before the season, she came to me.
Speaker 1: She's like, Robert, come over. She's like, I said, how
Speaker 1: are you? She says, don't you have a sick daughter.
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah. She says, do you mind if I
Speaker 1: get your address and send you something like sure, I
Speaker 1: don't mind. So season's over. Next thing, I get this
Speaker 1: big ass box on my front step. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the heck is this? And it was from her. Apparently
Speaker 1: her husband was one of the guys who worked for
Speaker 1: Disney that died in that plane crash way way back,
Speaker 1: and she was a part of Disney. She seen me
Speaker 1: all this Disney stuff for my kids. I mean, my
Speaker 1: kids room were decorated Disney. I gave out Christmas gifts
Speaker 1: for kids in the neighborhood with Disneys for long cause
Speaker 1: she just sent me a whole box of stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: it was just it was just That's but I'll always
Speaker 1: tell people it's about the relationships that you make with
Speaker 1: the people in so many guys are arrogant, they are
Speaker 1: like they're above the people that come to these games.
Speaker 1: I always, you know, speak to fans, and you know,
Speaker 1: I try to talk to them when I'm in a
Speaker 1: good movie. That's what I'm always in it. But you
Speaker 1: just try to form those relationships because you never know
Speaker 1: who you're talking to, especially with you know, people that
Speaker 1: you see so often.
Speaker 2: Like I had a couple, you know, fans that became
Speaker 2: real close friends, Susan Reagan, Trish Kennedy, you know these
Speaker 2: ladies that like they were they were like our team moms.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I mean that, Like they always
Speaker 1: took care of us.
Speaker 2: They were always at every charity event that were holding,
Speaker 2: you know, and just sweet people. And that's the cool
Speaker 2: thing about sport. It's it's a community that allows you
Speaker 2: to learn people that you never thought you'd get to learn,
Speaker 2: Like who.
Speaker 1: Like I remember one time I got a phone call
Speaker 1: from Jack Nicholson actually invite me to a party. I
Speaker 1: got a call from Seldom High. Did he give you
Speaker 1: a voicemail or is his voice just sounds so cool.
Speaker 1: He has the coolest voice. Is he has the coolest voice?
Speaker 1: How did do you say? Hey?
Speaker 2: Rob?
Speaker 1: He says, I have an event I want to invite
Speaker 1: you to. You come, I says, yes, I come, all right?
Speaker 1: See that it was really quick, comfortable. It's not like
Speaker 1: it was like straight to the point. I'm like, in
Speaker 1: the back of your mind, like, how the hell you
Speaker 1: get my number in the same And I know I
Speaker 1: knew how Sea High it got my number, and it
Speaker 1: was just it was just playing in La you get
Speaker 1: to meet these celebrities who are such fans of yours
Speaker 1: and vice versa. So it's I said, the Lakers are
Speaker 1: the best organizations to play for, not just for the
Speaker 1: fact that they always win and and they take care
Speaker 1: of their family, but the people you have access to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, you talked to Sheet or Chauncey.
Speaker 1: Oh Shot. I talked to Sheet about it. I talked
Speaker 1: because she's cool to say. I have never No, I
Speaker 1: never talked to Chance about it. You know. I think
Speaker 1: I think being Chance to have a rival that he
Speaker 1: don't know about is because he calls himself missed big shot,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, really, you just can't take my
Speaker 1: name and throw miss on the front of him, try
Speaker 1: to make it yours. You can't. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: how many rings he got? What he got?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Three? Two? What do you go? You got as many
Speaker 1: as me? That's all I know, one alive other than
Speaker 1: sir ru Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, Chauncey's only got one year before. Yeah, Johnson only
Speaker 3: got one year before.
Speaker 1: Yeah he does player though. Yeah, I love Chance you know,
Speaker 1: doing good, big things with Portland right now. Chaunce and
Speaker 1: I want we have the same common really good friend
Speaker 1: Roy Rogers, not the actor of the basketball player, and
Speaker 1: he you know, we both went his wedding. So I
Speaker 1: love Chancey, but I'm the real big shot, not him with.
Speaker 2: Doubt And it doesn't even sound right, big shot, big
Speaker 2: shot Chance, big shot billups Nah, big shot Bob.
Speaker 1: Bob just rolls off the tome. What about Bob? Remember
Speaker 1: that movie? Yeah? Yeah, that's that's one thing. You realize
Speaker 1: that you watch a lot of movies when you travel
Speaker 1: a lot in the NBA, y'all, y'all, I think what
Speaker 1: y'all travel? Like? What seven times? Maybe if that ten?
Speaker 1: Like we're traveling all the time. So I used to
Speaker 1: have just a laundry list of movies that have my
Speaker 1: little I don't remember what they called it, but it
Speaker 1: had all the movies on it. I just watched movie
Speaker 1: for days. Even the team used to come like, Rob,
Speaker 1: what's good to watch? Because I'm just a movie free Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a lot of downtime at our house,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So like you're at the
Speaker 2: facility for twelve thirteen hours, twelve hours and do that. Man,
Speaker 2: then you know, you get home and there'd be a
Speaker 2: lot of video game guys, a lot of movie guys,
Speaker 2: you know, and then you got your guys that are
Speaker 2: single and mingling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think I think y'all would y'all have
Speaker 1: to be at the facility with like an eight in
Speaker 1: the morning eight, you know, I'd get there probably fifteen.
Speaker 1: I like to get my routine in before because I
Speaker 1: had to.
Speaker 2: I'd have to like do I'd like get my body right,
Speaker 2: I'd get a lift in, I'd do my ball drills.
Speaker 2: I had like a routine of things that made me
Speaker 2: comfortable to go out and have my best day, you know.
Speaker 2: And I saw the I saw the guys before me
Speaker 2: that were around for a long time that did that,
Speaker 2: you know, the Troy Brown's, the Tom's, the Kevin Falkes,
Speaker 2: the Teddy Brusk. He's like, you know, you watch when
Speaker 2: you're a young guy and you watch, you watch the studs.
Speaker 1: You know, at least that's what I did.
Speaker 2: I watched them and I'd sit and they were always
Speaker 2: doing something to make themselves better, you know. And you
Speaker 2: know I didn't have a wife or you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't have I was a mercenary bro. I was there
Speaker 2: for football, you know, pretty much my whole career. I
Speaker 2: had my daughter, you know, probably my eighth ninth year,
Speaker 2: eighth year, but you know, like when it was football time,
Speaker 2: everyone knew that it was football time.
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing about you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: the two sports that you guys are way more I
Speaker 1: think sometimes they're way more disciplined when it comes to
Speaker 1: your craft because for us, it's like we have those
Speaker 1: days when you shoot the ball back. Okay, I gotta
Speaker 1: get there early and get some shots up because a
Speaker 1: typical day for us is, you know, you might get
Speaker 1: there like this is different for the guys like Cob
Speaker 1: will get there eight o'clock practices at eleven o'clock. He
Speaker 1: gets there like I would get to practice at ten o'clock.
Speaker 1: Practice is over at one o'clock. I'm probably out to
Speaker 1: do about three o'clock. You know, it's almost half the
Speaker 1: time you guys do because you got meetings. We hardly
Speaker 1: ever had meetings.
Speaker 2: You know, when everything comes down to you performing once
Speaker 2: a week for three hours, you know, you have to
Speaker 2: make sure you get every kind of thing tendency, you know,
Speaker 2: film that like you dial and put your eggs all
Speaker 2: in that one basket. You know, you can't afford to
Speaker 2: slip a game. You know, every game there's only seventeen
Speaker 2: now there were sixteen when I was playing. You know,
Speaker 2: every game means something, which in basketball, you guys could
Speaker 2: go and you know, you guys have a couple off
Speaker 2: night in Miami or something.
Speaker 1: But you got eighty six more, uh no, eighty two
Speaker 1: game season. You drop one game, you can make it
Speaker 1: up on a team like that, someone's injured or you
Speaker 1: just like have one of those hot shooting nights. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the final score ninety six, ninety five, they couldn't
Speaker 2: there was one one second left.
Speaker 1: They couldn't do anything. You go on, you get the.
Speaker 2: Ship, you get your sixth ring.
Speaker 1: How come you guys, couldn't go back to back. People
Speaker 1: in San Antonio get mad at me for telling this story.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it. So you know, that's the year
Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks won. Yeah so they So we playing Dallas.
Speaker 1: We're up three in game seven, were up three. He says,
Speaker 1: don't file. If they get a layup, fine, take it out.
Speaker 1: So Derek has it. He goes to the whole Man
Speaker 1: New thousand and one, goes to the free throw line,
Speaker 1: makes the free though, we go in overtime. We lose,
Speaker 1: and so they go on to win that championship. And
Speaker 1: if Monu doesn't file, we you know, we win that game.
Speaker 1: We win game seven, We're going to win that series.
Speaker 1: Were going to the finals.
Speaker 2: So we not give them the sit down before the game.
Speaker 2: We got to play fast hard.
Speaker 1: But if the passes we said, we literally said do
Speaker 1: not foul in the huddle. Later maybe it was we
Speaker 1: needed Spanish.
Speaker 2: You know they say Spanish different in Argentina.
Speaker 1: It's like not kay. Maybe yeah. So and then people
Speaker 1: get mad at me, like I'm not blaming Mono, do
Speaker 1: you know me for that? I'm not blaming him, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if we win that game, we three
Speaker 1: peat three. So I'm sitting here at eight time championship
Speaker 1: and Brady is still want to go to catch me.
Speaker 2: Come on, Tommy gotta come on. You know you gotta
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, what's your best championship parade story?
Speaker 1: Is it from here? Is it from la? Is it
Speaker 1: from where? Is it? I? You know, Houston? I would
Speaker 1: have to say Houston. And the only reason I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say Houston is because we went back to back. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie. I got so hammered that night after
Speaker 1: that game. You think about it, we swept the Orlando Magic.
Speaker 1: We went back to back, a sixth seed. I'm hammered.
Speaker 1: I wake up in some girls apartment. It's not it
Speaker 1: was my buddy's girlfriend. I wake up in an apartment.
Speaker 1: I'm like on the floor and of a tree. I
Speaker 1: think I'm literally outside and I look at my You know,
Speaker 1: this is before cell phones, so I look at my watch.
Speaker 1: It was eleven o'clock. The parade starts at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: So literally, if people look at the parade the second parade,
Speaker 1: it was held up because I didn't make it there
Speaker 1: on time. You talk about not being on time, but
Speaker 1: I had to go home shower, explaining my fiance what happened,
Speaker 1: and she looking at me cross side and she was
Speaker 1: like And then we went to the parade and I
Speaker 1: got it was I was so hungover on the prayer.
Speaker 1: I'm like this on the fire truck waving up people.
Speaker 1: I was just that's the memorable, you know. The LA
Speaker 1: one was nice too, though. To see all the fans
Speaker 1: come out for LA and see Mark Mattson dance, it
Speaker 1: was just it was bananas for that because I grew
Speaker 1: up a Lakers fan and to be able to finally
Speaker 1: bring a championship to the Lakers after having great years
Speaker 1: in the Forumhound four All Stars, getting swept by all
Speaker 1: the drama that we had, and then being a new building,
Speaker 1: the State per Center, and bring that championship back to LA.
Speaker 1: It was an amazing feeling. You know, they're two different,
Speaker 1: you know, reasons why you love certain things, and when
Speaker 1: you win championship. You know, on multiple teams, there's always
Speaker 1: a factor for everything, but the San Antonio ones. But
Speaker 1: I hate to say this was kind of boring because
Speaker 1: we just went around the riverwalk, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and the people, the fans, the Sanatori fans are bananas
Speaker 1: and freaks. But I want to be able to know,
Speaker 1: you know, look not up at fans, looking down the fans,
Speaker 1: not nothing. I don't mean in a bad way, because
Speaker 1: you can throw them shirts and stuff like that and
Speaker 1: you have it's a better interaction, you know, in San
Speaker 1: Antonio in the middle of the river walk and the
Speaker 1: people up here and it's they can't throw bees and
Speaker 1: confitte on you because you can't pollute the riverwalk. So
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I mean by that. So because
Speaker 1: I have to be careful what I say, because people
Speaker 1: in San Antonio always feel like I'm just bashing them
Speaker 1: when I'm not. I mean, it's probably a little different.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: My my parade moments are, you know, going down Boilston
Speaker 2: on a duck boat, almost getting hitting the head with
Speaker 2: a beer, catching a couple, chugging them, throwing them. It's
Speaker 2: so crazy. The parades I used to try. I used
Speaker 2: to tream, like Ferris Bueller day off. Did you on
Speaker 2: top of the fucking floats?
Speaker 1: Did you have your shirt off? A couple of times
Speaker 1: it was like twenty degrees. You know, that's the thing
Speaker 1: that every parade now, every athlete has to take this
Speaker 1: shirt off and show off their body, like, look at me,
Speaker 1: I got I got a six pack eight fact, I'm ripped.
Speaker 2: I was in a T shirt definitely shouldn't have been
Speaker 2: T shirt. Whether well, let's let's let's get into this.
Speaker 2: Where does Pop rank among the greatest coaches of all time?
Speaker 2: Is it Pop or is it coach Jackson? You know what,
Speaker 2: It's different, they're they're they're different but the same. The
Speaker 2: fact that you know, Phil wasn't a yeller. He wouldn't
Speaker 2: yell at you. Pop will yell at you. And that's
Speaker 2: the difference in them. But they all emphasized defense and
Speaker 2: you know, doing your job. You know, we responsible for
Speaker 2: you number and then re responsible for the team. And
Speaker 2: I think those are the two things that that that
Speaker 2: you can compare them with. And they had a control
Speaker 2: of the team, and they had a respect from the team,
Speaker 2: because once you coach great players that guys view as
Speaker 2: great ones, and you win a championship with those great ones,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the ultimate respect for us and and
Speaker 2: for me though, it's like I look at them and
Speaker 2: everybody once you always pick When I said, why do
Speaker 2: I have to pick just one?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I love both of them.
Speaker 1: But I, you know, but it's weird though I never
Speaker 1: had a relationship with either one of those guys. I
Speaker 1: had a relationship with Rudy T when I played with
Speaker 1: the Rockets, neither one of those guys, because that was
Speaker 1: more so on my end because I had such a
Speaker 1: great relationship with Rudy T. And when they traded me
Speaker 1: to Phoenix, I felt like that was a stab in
Speaker 1: the back. So I never wanted to have a relationship
Speaker 1: with coaches anymore. You went from personal slash business or
Speaker 1: just straight business. Yeah, it's hard. People don't realize that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's why some coaches, you could say,
Speaker 2: are like that with certain players, you know, the straight business,
Speaker 2: because they know there's going to be a time where
Speaker 2: feelings get involved.
Speaker 1: And for me, you know, it's a business from day
Speaker 1: one because you're getting paid for it, and you shouldn't, like,
Speaker 1: you know, people get their feelings involved. And I had
Speaker 1: to said, all right, on the flip end of this,
Speaker 1: what would you do if this was your business and
Speaker 1: you had an employee who wasn't living up to your expectations?
Speaker 1: Would you keep them around just because you love him? Oh?
Speaker 1: You put them out to passion. And that's just how
Speaker 1: you know sports is. You gotta understand it's a business.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make money. These these the reason these guys
Speaker 1: own these teams, these billionaires, because they are no nonsense
Speaker 1: type of guys, and so you got to take it
Speaker 1: like that. It is a production business.
Speaker 2: You know what's more impressive winning seven rings with one
Speaker 2: team or seven rings with three teams?
Speaker 1: You know, I'll be honest, I think if you can
Speaker 1: win seven rings with one team, and this era is
Speaker 1: impressive because you got to think about the turnover and
Speaker 1: the other teams trying to build their team to beat you.
Speaker 1: There's so many teams that you say, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to have this guy just for shock. So I need
Speaker 1: to know the files. I had the file because you
Speaker 1: look at the way the Sacramento Kings were built. They
Speaker 1: had like two guys that sound the bench, didn't play
Speaker 1: all year until they played the LA Lakers. The beat
Speaker 1: up shock and you got and these teams do that
Speaker 1: because it's it's reality. Like when you sit down, like
Speaker 1: right now in the NBA, everybody's like, we need to
Speaker 1: find a way to beat Yokics. That's what every team
Speaker 1: is saying because he's such a dominant player on the
Speaker 1: offensive end, you know, the defensive end. We need to
Speaker 1: beat Yokis. You know, before it was how to beat Curry,
Speaker 1: but now it's how to beat your Yokis because he's
Speaker 1: on top of the ground, on top of the hill.
Speaker 1: So that's what every team does. They try to figure
Speaker 1: out how to beat you. And for you to win
Speaker 1: that many championships in the road means everything everybody threw
Speaker 1: out you, U was able to dodge it and get
Speaker 1: to your mountaintop. So I say seven, but it's don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. Now, seven championships in general is hard
Speaker 1: to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with the constant turnover of teams now and
Speaker 2: the parody in the league and new guys coming, is
Speaker 2: anyone ever going to get seven rings again?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't believe so. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought it would be Lebron, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be Lebron now. I hope
Speaker 1: so because that means the Lakers win championships. That means,
Speaker 1: you know, I get another ring because I'm a part
Speaker 1: of the Lakers staff. But and I don't think and
Speaker 1: if you look at Steph unless he goes to another team,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he will because of the lord
Speaker 1: the factor there. I don't see it, and there's nobody
Speaker 1: else that's even you know, close to that, I think
Speaker 1: who I think Lebron and Steph are the only ones
Speaker 1: that have four rings. Then that means they got to
Speaker 1: win it three more years, so they can't. Then how
Speaker 1: you're gonna make the playoffs. I think he's an incredible player,
Speaker 1: I think, but young. He's young. But my my roocular
Speaker 1: year is chet Check Holmern because he's basically what Wenby
Speaker 1: was last year as far as physicality. He was that skinny,
Speaker 1: but because he got hurt, he was able to get
Speaker 1: in the weight room, put some some weight on it,
Speaker 1: and start to understanding the NBA game. So I think
Speaker 1: in about three to four years, you know, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a beast to continue because he's so he's so skilled.
Speaker 1: He's able to block shots from forty feet away. So
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be amazing what he's able to do
Speaker 1: once he gets a little weight and a little bit
Speaker 1: more NBA knowledge. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I've only watched him a couple of times
Speaker 2: and you can definitely see, you know, the Euro game
Speaker 2: and the ness and you know, he can make every
Speaker 2: shot and do all that.
Speaker 1: But I was watching. I don't know who it was,
Speaker 1: but there was some.
Speaker 2: Some some dude about seven inches smaller than them man
Speaker 2: handling him.
Speaker 1: Daron Fox, I know exactly what you're talking about. Daron
Speaker 1: Fox pushed him so far out of the out of
Speaker 1: the box and then he traveled on top of that
Speaker 1: instead of just you know, putting the ball if it
Speaker 1: turned around. Looking at him, But he'll learn that.
Speaker 2: We got to all remember kids nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's eighteen. He's a fucking little boy. He can't
Speaker 1: by b yet. I bet you might get three more inches, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's so weird, just think about it.
Speaker 1: He can still grow and he can get stronger. Just
Speaker 1: I just hope he stays healthy, because that's the thing
Speaker 1: with when you get started getting big. Yeah, human bodies.
Speaker 2: Aren't supposed to be doing that, you know, especially with
Speaker 2: shoes and stuff.
Speaker 1: The feet, yeah, the feet for the big has.
Speaker 2: Always scare me. Yeah, because you guys are on that
Speaker 2: hard surface and I had a lot.
Speaker 1: Of foot problems. You had a lot of foot problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I broke both my feet well, just from you
Speaker 2: know over cutting and cutting so hard and I was.
Speaker 1: Very fortunately I only had one. I have two injuries
Speaker 1: to keep me out for a long period time. I
Speaker 1: strained my m c L and then I had a
Speaker 1: virus to attack my heart which gave me extra beats.
Speaker 1: So I missed a total of like three weeks for
Speaker 1: that and like five weeks for my knee. Jeez. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people don't realize how hard, yeah that is to stay
Speaker 1: that hell healthy. But it was all from training and
Speaker 1: the off season to prepare your body for that. Grind
Speaker 1: man got to you. Gotta we got to get into
Speaker 1: scoring the game real quick.
Speaker 3: Oh we got We got a couple quick stat corrections.
Speaker 1: Oh did I miss anything, Jackie?
Speaker 3: You were born March twenty second, nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2: Well I was born May twenty second, but yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: born eighty six.
Speaker 3: There is the year eighty six football for a long time.
Speaker 3: Oh my Kobe dropped eighty one and six, not five.
Speaker 3: On the Vernon Maxwell incident February seventh, nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 3: Rockets Blazers at the Old Memorial Coliseum, Vernon went in
Speaker 3: the crowd in the infamous quote he said, kiss my ass,
Speaker 3: motherfucker to this guy. He went for him. He ended
Speaker 3: up getting suspend a ten games find twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: The fans sued him for four point five million. It
Speaker 3: was settled out of court, so we don't know, we
Speaker 3: don't know the exact figures there.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that the bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a bump move.
Speaker 1: But the fans the part would set Vernon off. Vernon's
Speaker 1: daughter was still born, and so he had a tattoo
Speaker 1: her of her on his arm. And I remember I
Speaker 1: was sitting at the end of the bench and I
Speaker 1: could hear the fancy who's that bitch on your arm?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? And all I see was Vernon go
Speaker 1: cross the path me. I was like, oh shit, and
Speaker 1: I went up there to get him. So it was
Speaker 1: like and I hate when, like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to love to know that
Speaker 1: situation happened, how much he got and it was selled
Speaker 1: out of court. Did David Stern step in? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, there's a big difference of saying someone's
Speaker 2: face and behind a keyboard. I stick to buying a keyboard. Boys,
Speaker 2: guys getting getting the gridiron jokers are coming up for you.
Speaker 3: Bro also in the crowd that night, Jerry Seinfeld and
Speaker 3: Bill Gates. They were lucky it wasn't them Seinfeld. Seinfeld
Speaker 3: probably has some dope ass shoes on.
Speaker 2: He's a sneaker junkie, low key. If you watch he
Speaker 2: has a bunch of cool sneakers. If you watch the show, He's.
Speaker 3: A Superman, guysm super Superman.
Speaker 1: Superman was in every episode, somewhere in every episode. Did
Speaker 1: you know that? I did not? Yeah, did you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry loves He's obsessed with the Mets and Superman.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to be a Mets fan. Really yeah, Gary
Speaker 1: Carter fan. Yeah, I love the Giants.
Speaker 2: But also I was gonna get into you know, it's
Speaker 2: cool to like people that have good imaginations and like superheroes.
Speaker 1: Thatman's real, Man, he's real. He's the only one didn't
Speaker 1: have powers, right.
Speaker 2: He didn't have no powers. He had a bunch of
Speaker 2: gadgets and toys.
Speaker 1: Tony Star didn't have any powers either. I like Tony
Speaker 1: Stark too though. Yeah, just his brain, that's his superpower.
Speaker 1: Any guy that's hello rich with cool toys, that's me.
Speaker 1: I want that score this game.
Speaker 2: What's the name of this game? The Eminem game. I
Speaker 2: need to be eminem pissing off big shot Bob. What
Speaker 2: it's a good ring, a good jingle, I need a
Speaker 2: good jingle.
Speaker 3: I think the Eminem game sounds pretty good to me.
Speaker 1: The Eminem game. We got to get them on games
Speaker 1: and names.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after this quick break. So this
Speaker 2: is score the game presented by win Bet. We go
Speaker 2: through and we score all the games that we've done
Speaker 2: with our guests, and then we go and see where
Speaker 2: it lays on the chart of our games.
Speaker 1: So steak, So I have to be honest, is what
Speaker 1: you're saying. You gotta be honest. You gotta be honest.
Speaker 2: Steaks zero to ten decimals, Ok, one to ten?
Speaker 1: This game was it was had to be a ten
Speaker 1: man ten. Yeah, because you got to think about this.
Speaker 1: Game five won of the pivotal games you know you won,
Speaker 1: went away from winning a championship. I mean we did
Speaker 1: see game five.
Speaker 3: What's the stat, Jackie, seventeen out of the last twenty
Speaker 3: three win it. It's it's very important. In the seven game.
Speaker 2: Series, Kyler, what wherever are you shaking your head on the.
Speaker 3: Tyler's more, Game seven is what deserves a ten. So
Speaker 3: if you look at them.
Speaker 1: I think I only played in like what one game
Speaker 1: seven in the finals, two game seven in the finals.
Speaker 1: None in this playoff mix the Knicks played in. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the NBA Finals. The Knicks we went game
Speaker 1: seven and this one went game seven. Because with the
Speaker 1: Lakers we never went game seven. We swept Orlando Magic,
Speaker 1: and then we swept the Nets. We lost one game
Speaker 1: against the Phillies. We won games you know six against
Speaker 1: the Pacers. Yeah, I only been to game seven, and
Speaker 1: then we swept the Cleveland Cavaliers in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: So think I've been part of three sweeps in the finals.
Speaker 2: He never lost in the fun he gets ten ten.
Speaker 1: So that's why making the game, that's why I get
Speaker 1: it to ten. You got seven.
Speaker 2: It goes a long way.
Speaker 1: Go nine point nine to make it better. Let's go
Speaker 1: nine point nine, nine point nine. I've been pressured into it,
Speaker 1: pure pressure. Star power.
Speaker 2: I mean we went over the stars, teams, crowd, everything.
Speaker 1: Well, you got to understand, like that star power is
Speaker 1: Michigan star power. And for me, it didn't mean to
Speaker 1: mean crap that those guys only start power. Me was
Speaker 1: Eminem you know, May Barry. I love Barry and so
Speaker 1: everybody else in the izo Michigan State who really cares
Speaker 1: about that? You know. So I'm gonna say this star
Speaker 1: power is like a six. Six, yeah, five, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: drop it down to a five because you gotta realized,
Speaker 1: a regular season game in a Laker uniform, we have
Speaker 1: all of that.
Speaker 3: A Michigan A lister is like an l a c lister.
Speaker 2: I mean, was at the top of the crowd.
Speaker 1: Writer, It's true.
Speaker 3: He had his shirt off in the crowd. I saw
Speaker 3: he was doing the PD Pablo twisting on his head.
Speaker 3: He was wild, you know, PD Pablo Carolina Man.
Speaker 1: Okay, no cac lay, all right, he is revered. What's
Speaker 1: the gameplay? One to ten game shot? You know, when overtime.
Speaker 1: So I have to get this, like, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to get this ten because it was overtime. It was
Speaker 1: you know, on the court, their coord you know, and
Speaker 1: then you have some guy by the name a big
Speaker 1: shot Bob that you know, just lit the ass up.
Speaker 1: So I had to get us on a ten, the
Speaker 1: real big shot, and he had to manifest it.
Speaker 2: He had to talk himself and do a moment because
Speaker 2: of Eminem the name of the game is the eminem game?
Speaker 1: What is zero to ten? I got it. I gotta
Speaker 1: get that an eight I don't get at eight eight
Speaker 1: eight eight straight eight straight the eminem game. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know it'd been better if you know
Speaker 1: it's a big shot, Bob, you know something like that.
Speaker 3: We can change that.
Speaker 1: We can change it. I mean giving too much them?
Speaker 2: No right now, I love, I love, have probably got
Speaker 2: like fifteen is.
Speaker 1: One of you know, he's one of the greatest rappers. Man,
Speaker 1: it's eight two.
Speaker 2: Where does it go on to the board?
Speaker 1: These are all the games we've done so ranked number one, okay,
Speaker 1: number two.
Speaker 3: It's because we had Mark Cuban in here and he
Speaker 3: screwed up our whole system. Can you give everything at ten?
Speaker 3: Rob and Rob?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Rob Rigel just gave everything straight tens Ara Man ninety
Speaker 2: nine Women's World Cup.
Speaker 1: Fine, okay, yeah, So this one's this one's right between
Speaker 1: the bush push.
Speaker 3: This one was right between that nineteen eighty five AFC
Speaker 3: Championship game and they Can't Wait game with with part
Speaker 3: Scott there and rich Eyes and can't wait.
Speaker 1: So you had Gibs in here, we had Gill in here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Gill hates me. Really no, we have like it's a
Speaker 1: it's at Little Robber because you know, every show he
Speaker 1: likes it to say would you rather have three hundred
Speaker 1: million plan? Or would you rather have seven rings? And
Speaker 1: only made I think it's a I'm just say forty million,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, you know you want to
Speaker 1: put me out there, So I rather have seven champions No,
Speaker 1: I rather have the money. And so many people, you know,
Speaker 1: especially Jack Captain Jackson's you're a loser because you don't
Speaker 1: want to win. You just care about the money. And
Speaker 1: and just the other day he had Rashid on this show,
Speaker 1: and Rashid was like, I take the rings, and he
Speaker 1: shocked when people say they take take the rings because
Speaker 1: it's what you value more. Do you value winning or
Speaker 1: you value money more? You know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: so here's my question. You would you rather have seven
Speaker 1: championships to make forty million or have no championships with
Speaker 1: three hundred million?
Speaker 2: And be honest, because what people don't realize if you
Speaker 2: give yourself to the game and you win everything for winning,
Speaker 2: that forty million is going to turn way over to
Speaker 2: three hundred million because of the longevity you'll always have.
Speaker 1: For being a champion.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I mean, Like, what are you
Speaker 2: gonna celebrate when you have one hundred mel a three
Speaker 2: hundred mil? Yeah you got you know, you got seven
Speaker 2: rings and things.
Speaker 1: Yes. I always like, you know, you get so many
Speaker 1: time with me. Yeah, so many people say, I think
Speaker 1: it's three hundred million. It said, I can buy the
Speaker 1: many rings I want. But it's like, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: buy the rings, but they don't. It's not from your
Speaker 1: hard work and your sacrifice, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: your dedication to the game. And you know, getting to
Speaker 1: the upper echelne, the apex of the mountain, well, only
Speaker 1: a few sits.
Speaker 2: There's only like three guys that shit in there, that apex.
Speaker 2: Rob we miss anything from the game. From the game
Speaker 2: other than that.
Speaker 1: We went on went home and played Game six and
Speaker 1: lost to them, and then we won Game seven and
Speaker 1: won a championship. And I think I think I started
Speaker 1: a trend then because when we wanted, you know, my
Speaker 1: whole thing was always out every game. I always grabbed
Speaker 1: the basketball. So I grabbed the basketball. And if you
Speaker 1: look at the picture, it's me and my son sitting there.
Speaker 1: So now everybody brings their sons out, you know, they
Speaker 1: do the press conference with their son. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like I was one of the guys that started that
Speaker 1: because I brought my son to Core. Now you know,
Speaker 1: I did everything with him, and I was just trying
Speaker 1: to because I knew my career was about to come
Speaker 1: to the end, but I wanted to share that moment
Speaker 1: with my kids. And from that and just so many
Speaker 1: other things that go on at from you know, me
Speaker 1: being the originator of small ball, you know, back when
Speaker 1: I was with Houston, and then just you know, now
Speaker 1: his transcending to what the game is today, and there's
Speaker 1: just so many things like that that I think about,
Speaker 1: even though I might not ever make the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: but I was a trendsetter. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're You're in our Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 2: you should be in the Hall of Fame. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's got to be a reason. You don't just go
Speaker 2: on teams and win championships for no reason. There's a
Speaker 2: chemical makeup, there's something that's been touched by God that
Speaker 2: allows people to do that, and I mean, I've never
Speaker 2: seen anything like that. I actually kind of hated you
Speaker 2: for a second because I jumped off that Warriors bandwagon
Speaker 2: for a while and went over to the Kings and
Speaker 2: you know a lot of web we had, you know,
Speaker 2: everyone bib and you put us down too.
Speaker 1: Well, you know the thing that people don't Yeah maybe,
Speaker 1: but you know the thing that people understand what comes
Speaker 1: along with the game. Now you're gonna go down this path.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Now. You know, everybody says
Speaker 1: that rep they want to blame the guy who got
Speaker 1: you know, arrested and put in jail. If you go
Speaker 1: back and look at game six, they made up for that.
Speaker 1: Nobody talks about Game six where they got all the calls.
Speaker 1: They got a couple of calls where they stepped out
Speaker 1: of bounds, clearly, they got a couple of calls where
Speaker 1: they shot the ball after the shot clock. They got
Speaker 1: that call. But nobody talks about what happened. You know
Speaker 1: what happened in game seven. Pager doesn't play in game seven.
Speaker 1: You remember that, there's no freaking way if you win
Speaker 1: this game, you know, you win the NBA Champions. He
Speaker 1: turned his ankle and did not play in that series.
Speaker 1: In this game seven and from getting to know you
Speaker 1: just now there's nowhere in hell that you wouldn't be
Speaker 1: out there on that court. You at least test it
Speaker 1: out to see if your ankle could go right. I'm
Speaker 1: going he didn't even test it out, So now they
Speaker 1: had to start a diet. And we win that series.
Speaker 1: So but nobody they want to talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the game five, you know, the cheating and this and that.
Speaker 1: It's like, at the end of the day, you still up,
Speaker 1: you still have a chance to win. You have two
Speaker 1: more games to win that series. And you don't don't
Speaker 1: blame it all on one game because there's no telling
Speaker 1: if you go up three to one, there's no guarantee
Speaker 1: you win that game. You forgot who we had the
Speaker 1: best duo in basketball, Shaq and Kobe and you. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. So everybody's like, oh, we
Speaker 1: could have wanted no guarantee you win that game.
Speaker 2: You know, no, man, you gotta plug anything, you know.
Speaker 1: I just you know, for me, I'm doing my podcast.
Speaker 1: I did the Big Shot Pod Big Shot Pod podcast
Speaker 1: with a couple of Rob Jenners and Brandon Dude. We
Speaker 1: you know, we just sit around. We just have fun.
Speaker 1: We like have fun. What am I coming on? Whenever
Speaker 1: you have the time, man, you know, time and place
Speaker 1: I said it up place. I set it up with
Speaker 1: your people's man. You know. We usually you know, we
Speaker 1: we do it out of the home so you can
Speaker 1: be in your bath robe, where you can be on
Speaker 1: the toilet, whatever you want to do, we do it
Speaker 1: that it comfort your own home. But I like this
Speaker 1: set up. I like to come and be nosy and
Speaker 1: see what kind of ideas I can steal, like the
Speaker 1: Bruce willis you know, yeah, and that you know, and
Speaker 1: off the court, I'm on. You know. I'm working with
Speaker 1: this company called Shirko, which is kind of fun. It's
Speaker 1: about trying to help people save money's company save money
Speaker 1: where we come in and we do it. We analyze
Speaker 1: your company, and we talk to human resources and we
Speaker 1: make the insurance for each individual that come to better
Speaker 1: for the people. You know. It's it's it's weird how
Speaker 1: you know, there's a blanket, uh slate when it comes
Speaker 1: to insurance when a company comes to oh, you're just
Speaker 1: gonna get a B and C, but it might not
Speaker 1: work for you, and it might not work for him
Speaker 1: or her over there. And we come in and we
Speaker 1: we we analyze it and we we we we adjusted
Speaker 1: it works specifically for your needs. And so that's what
Speaker 1: I'm doing now, which is kind of fun. I love
Speaker 1: going into companies and trying to get them to, you know,
Speaker 1: come join our company. Let us do it. Let's talk
Speaker 1: to your HR and let us, you know, save your
Speaker 1: million dollars, like we save a couple of companies like
Speaker 1: three million dollars and so and this is all due
Speaker 1: to me being about this company, all due to me
Speaker 1: being a seven time NBA champion. So now this is
Speaker 1: out making that three hundred million ups. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know what it takes to win.
Speaker 2: And when you deal with companies and corporations that are
Speaker 2: all thirsty to win, and they want to know what
Speaker 2: the X factor is. You bring in an X factor,
Speaker 2: big shot Bob.
Speaker 1: They want to know, you know how, how the winning
Speaker 1: attitude of win, the mentality winning mentality. And to me,
Speaker 1: there is something that can't be explained. Yeah, you score
Speaker 1: a lot of points, Yeah you did this, but did
Speaker 1: you win? What did you bring to the team other
Speaker 1: than your points? And did you bring the right attitude?
Speaker 1: Did you bring the right the right work ethic? Did
Speaker 1: you inspire others? Is another way? Did you know how
Speaker 1: to you know what was? What's what Michael Jordan's say,
Speaker 1: take things personal and you know and turn that into dubbs.
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: You know who won today games with names. For having
Speaker 2: you on here once again, Big shot Bob, thanks for
Speaker 2: coming on.
Speaker 1: Man, my pleasure brother. Thank you inviting me anytime. Boy.
Speaker 2: I could have sat and talked to him for hours,
Speaker 2: Big Shot Bob, what a guy. Military time here early
Speaker 2: early tech stories.
Speaker 3: Take fleece On took his shoes off the minute he
Speaker 3: entered the house.
Speaker 2: I respectful. I felt obligated to take my shoes off
Speaker 2: in my own house.
Speaker 1: I did too. Can I just bring the real quick?
Speaker 1: Ten minutes before a shoot is not that early?
Speaker 2: How many athletes have you worked with? And how many
Speaker 2: athletes have ever been ten minutes early to.
Speaker 3: A t facts facts A man that played under Greg
Speaker 3: Popovich pop pop, military, fam Bama football Baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was so cool and it was cool to
Speaker 2: get his perspective from both Pop and Jackson and a
Speaker 2: lot of that pop stuff. Sound belichicky, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Like I know you got the Air Force with Poppy,
Speaker 2: got Navy with Bill, but like the brain and trust
Speaker 2: and just but instead of like the same time, my
Speaker 2: comparison would be like see you know, we're at the
Speaker 2: trail mixed station at the fucking cafeteria.
Speaker 3: Bill was a trail mix guy.
Speaker 2: He put his hands in it in the communal pot
Speaker 2: bro bro coach. What the fuck, dude, there's the Scoopers.
Speaker 2: They literally have the Scoopers. I feel like we've talked
Speaker 2: about this before.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 3: I don't know that we have. Dude, imagine what if
Speaker 3: he did that like the Whole Foods. If he did
Speaker 3: it the Whole.
Speaker 2: Foods afinitely does it at the Whole Foods.
Speaker 3: Scoopers, Bill Foods ain't no Billy the Whole Foods man.
Speaker 1: That was That was a fun episode.
Speaker 2: And uh, I can't wait to see him just continue insurance, right,
Speaker 2: it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a whole he got man, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: He was blowing my mind. I went way over my head.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get together again.
Speaker 3: We'll do it well, link up, Gotta get big shot
Speaker 3: Bob on. We got quick little post show segment. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna put you through the gauntlet again. You're ready to
Speaker 3: post show segment. It's only right that we talk clutch guys.
Speaker 3: If we had Robert Ori on. So we're gonna go
Speaker 3: through the world of Mount Clutch Moore. The best clutch
Speaker 3: guys might be a couple of wrinkles in here. Heads up,
Speaker 3: and we're doing a little word association. First thing that
Speaker 3: comes to mind when you hear these guys, and I
Speaker 3: can't just be clutch man. I hate these I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: You'll be in the torture chamber. Baby, I'll put you
Speaker 3: in the torture chamber.
Speaker 1: You ready.
Speaker 3: There it is Michael Jordan Go, Tom Brady Go, Derek Cheeter, Clutch,
Speaker 3: David Ortiz, Boppy, Joe Montana, Smooth, James Harden, Euro Step Thing,
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods Masters, Adam Vinitierry.
Speaker 1: Adam Vinitarry.
Speaker 3: He's like Jack now Bobby or Fearless, Dan Marino, great Thrower,
Speaker 3: Big Bob, Big Shot Bob, Jim Kelly, Kirk Gibson, Ola,
Speaker 3: Brittany Chastain stud That's it, baby, You like how I
Speaker 3: threw those wrinkles in there? Of some some not so
Speaker 3: clutch guys.
Speaker 1: Now who's not so clutch?
Speaker 3: I mean Dan Marino, Jimmy Harden, Is he not Jim Kelly?
Speaker 3: I mean they didn't win the Big Game, they don't
Speaker 3: have the rep. I don't think he'd put their face
Speaker 3: up there on the mountain. But I mean they had
Speaker 3: a hell of a careers made.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's calling shots with it seems like
Speaker 2: mister Ross over there. I see him in the Hard Knocks.
Speaker 2: He's in the locker room every time, like it's like
Speaker 2: Daddy Dan in there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, but I feel like the
Speaker 3: I feel like you passed that with flying Colors. I
Speaker 3: did three goats in a row. I could have just said,
Speaker 3: go this is they were that worked for all three
Speaker 3: of those. I thought you were gonna say gift basket
Speaker 3: for Jeter though.
Speaker 1: That was That was a good one.
Speaker 3: That was a good one.
Speaker 2: Well what an episode. Thanks again to Robert or Big
Speaker 2: Shot Bob. That's been another episode of Games with Names
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