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Speaker 2: Games with Names, presented by when Bett. On today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we are talking Game five of the two thousand and

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Speaker 2: We get into that, We get into the talk of

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Speaker 3: Rings and things. Baby, We're I would ring watching you.

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Speaker 2: Got seven of them dangs? The secret about being clutch.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into we geting a lot of visualizations, visual success.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like we got scientific sports science.

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Speaker 2: What is that that ship they have on the Worldwide Leader?

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Speaker 3: Ever since. I don't know. He's he's too deep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we get into pot versus Jackson, Phil completely different

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Speaker 2: awesome to awesome to really get to hear where they

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Speaker 3: Rob can speak on both of those. Not a lot

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Speaker 2: Man, And I mean, you can't talk this era of

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Speaker 3: Malice in the Palace.

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Speaker 1: Baby, Malice in the Palace.

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Speaker 2: We all we even dabble in a little college football,

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Speaker 2: Big Alabama guy roll Tide yep. And then we'll wrap

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Speaker 2: up the show talking about some of the most clutch

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Speaker 1: This is Game five of the two thousand and five

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Speaker 1: It is eighteen year NBA career.

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Speaker 2: If you have a word of clutch, his his name

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Speaker 1: Man, welcome, man, thanks for having me. I just you know,

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Speaker 1: Game what Jackie?

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Speaker 1: You're from Bama, I'm from Alabama? Are you big? Are

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Speaker 1: pitched first base to center field.

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Speaker 2: You're throwing gas, clearly.

437
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: That's all I had. I had a change up to

438
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: bastball and the curve ball. I had three pitches. That's all,

439
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 1: could you imagine a big shot bob.

440
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 2: On the mound looking like Randy Johnson, because Randy's what

441
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 2: six to seven?

442
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: You were six to eight, sixteen six.

443
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus, you probably would have been able to throw

444
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 2: for years too, because your body's.

445
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: So big and like lanky. Just man, all right.

446
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 2: I was a Warriors fan growing up, and I changed

447
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: being Warriors fan because they got so good and I

448
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: went to Boston.

449
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: So you're a Celtics fan. I became. I became boys

450
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: with the guys. Okay, I can respect, you know what

451
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and everyone it's kind. That's how I became

452
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: an Astros fan because I became friends with Bagwell and

453
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: Visual and all those guys. I understand that. Yeah, you know.

454
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: So I went to Boston.

455
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 2: They were winning, and when I left, the Warriors were

456
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 2: you know, they were getting good and they were signing.

457
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: You know, it became different than the Warriors I grew up.

458
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: I grew up with.

459
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: Spree my teammate, your teammate from college, choking out coaches

460
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: and stuff, had a Spreewell.

461
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: Jersey loved it.

462
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, any good Spreebee stories from back to school.

463
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: It's you know, Spreewall was believed, not very quiet. I

464
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: didn't say much and he was just you know, it

465
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: was really nothing to say. He loved electronics, he loved cars,

466
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: you know, that's when he had the spinners and stuff

467
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: like that. He was just he was just that quiet guy. Man.

468
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's no stories that we were. So yeah,

469
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: if you look at our team at Bama's, we've had

470
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: like I played like with fifteen pros that went on

471
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: to the NBA. Sorry, and there was never anybody. We

472
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: just we just came and did work. Man. We came

473
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: and worked out, did our job and went home. Nobody

474
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Speaker 1: was though. We had no characters. Yeah, I only got

475
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: the characters as you get to the NBA. That's the

476
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: only time you come across characters. Yeah, but I'm sure

477
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 1: with you was what fifty two of you guys on

478
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Speaker 1: the field.

479
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 2: Fifty three on the squad for six on game day?

480
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 2: Thinking you had like one hundred with practice squad.

481
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Speaker 1: That's the characters right there though. So yeah, there was.

482
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Speaker 1: But where I was at, no nonsense.

483
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 2: It was kind of like probably were you know, like

484
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 2: the Spurs. You know you had structure, yes, and your

485
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: best player was the guy holding the court. And if

486
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: he's working hard and not being a character. Tom Brady,

487
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: you can't have guys do that.

488
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: Now.

489
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Speaker 2: We had fun in different ways, but everyone was out

490
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: that work. Everyone was about the work like practice was

491
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: really hard for us. Everything was evaluated, always everything. It

492
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: was never about like slapping a guy in the butt

493
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: for doing his job. It was more like, this is

494
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: what you did wrong. You're expected to do that. Now,

495
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 2: let's go, let's correct it so we all can sleep

496
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: at night.

497
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Speaker 1: I'm the type of person my wife gets mad because

498
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't give people credit for things they're

499
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: supposed to do same, and so she gets mad with

500
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, well he's supposed to do that. I'm like, no,

501
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: you should. I was like, I tell him, Mary, now,

502
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: he played a good game. And but she says, you

503
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: always focus on the negative. I'm not focusing on the negative.

504
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm pointing out the things that you could have done

505
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: better to make yourself better. And she's like, well, you

506
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: need to focus on some of the good things. I said,

507
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: I do, but not as much as the bad things.

508
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: I said, I have a relations to my son that's

509
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: different than you, and so I appreciate people like that.

510
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: That says, okay, we're gonna work hard. I'm not gonna say, Okay,

511
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: you caught the ball. You're supposed to catch the ball, like,

512
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give you a high fine. Now if

513
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: it's a hell of a catch, when you catch it

514
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: like this with three fingers or something, then I might

515
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: get you a little pressure. Yeah, you know.

516
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: And I have to catch myself with that too, because

517
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: that's that's the environment pre my my era and pre

518
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: my era were like yeah, it wasn't about really like

519
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: we're out here to have fun. It was like we're

520
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: out here to fucking win. Yeah, you know, we're out

521
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: here like to do a job, you know, And a

522
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: lot of people don't like that, you know, especially nowadays,

523
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: it's different.

524
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: You know, things, it's really different.

525
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 2: You know, you got you gotta love kids up and

526
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: if you don't, you know, they could tank or something.

527
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: So you know, it's definitely changed.

528
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: Were those words built different? It applies to so many

529
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: different ways, you know what I mean. I know, even

530
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: with feel when we would do stuff like we would

531
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: practice or and you would come to our practices, you'd

532
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: be like, are they did they just lose? Our practice

533
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: were intense? You know. Nowadays, guys they don't even practice anymore.

534
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: They do walk through the practice. We would need to

535
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: save our bodies, we need to load management. It's like

536
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: all these practices prepared us for the games, that made

537
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: the games easier. You think about Shaq and Kobe and

538
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: you on the second team, they mad that day. They

539
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: coming at you. That's gonna make you better. You know,

540
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna teach you the game even more. And that's

541
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: just the way the games should be played. And it's

542
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: so weird because I learned that when I first got

543
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: in the lead, because I had Vernon Maxwell, Kenny Smith

544
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: for Lodge and Oldest Thort. These guys went hard every day.

545
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Then when I got traded to the Phoenix Suns, I'm

546
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: going in practice, I'm like, what is this a country club?

547
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: They didn't practice hard, they didn't do this. I'm like,

548
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: now I understand why we used to. When we were

549
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: down three to one of you guys, we came back

550
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: and beat you. Then we were down three to two,

551
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: we came back and beach it. Because the mentality and

552
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: the way you taught things in practice, there's no carryover

553
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: to the games. And that's why you see and me

554
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: from watching games, you can tell the teams that practice

555
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: and the teams that don't practice.

556
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's gotten tricky too now because of the

557
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: sports science and all this load management and this and that.

558
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: And it started getting prevalent when I started, like middle

559
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: of my career, where we were on the GPS things

560
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: and they'd say you'd be down or you'd be up

561
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: according to your energy output and your recovery levels and this.

562
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: And it's kind of interesting to me because we're starting

563
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: to see like so many more injuries. Like I was

564
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: talking to our trainer and he goes, you know, we

565
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: do everything by decades. It used to be get one achilles,

566
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: you know, every couple of years. Now we're getting three achilles,

567
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: you know a year. Yes, And it used to be

568
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: where you practice so hard and if you didn't get

569
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: out of camp, like if you'd get hurt in camp,

570
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 2: but whoever calcified and made it through.

571
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Camp, you're going you're.

572
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: Putting yourself in the best situation to finish a season,

573
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Now it's kind of like, well,

574
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: we can't practice them too hard, where maybe it's gone

575
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: to the point where you're not stressing your body enough

576
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: that when you hit that sudden jolt of energy in

577
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: a game situation which you always get five percent higher

578
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: because you're in competition and you have that adrenaline mode,

579
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: so maybe the body's not used to it. So now

580
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot more crazy injuries.

581
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: See, I totally agree with you on that. I said

582
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: to me, that's my philosophy because right now we went

583
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: out and said, Okay, you and I are gonna run

584
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: a hound of our dash and the competitive nature, and

585
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: this is gonna come out. I'm probably gonna pull a hamster.

586
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: You probably gonna finish, but not me because I'm fifty three.

587
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna because we haven't trained. We haven't trained our bodies.

588
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to tell people, like you

589
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: gotta train your body so when you get into that moment,

590
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: you ready for that moment. And Plus I also think

591
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: that due to the fact in the NBA, guys can

592
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, smoke certain things to mask the injuries in

593
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: the pain, so they say, okay, I'm smoke this, I

594
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: don't feel no pain. Now you go out and like, okay,

595
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: this was a worse injury than I thought it was.

596
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: Now is out for the season. Injuries, So I think

597
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: There's so many things like that that go into why

598
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: guys aren't, you know, staying on the field of the

599
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: core or as much as possible because they don't recognize

600
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 1: what's going on.

601
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: It was crazy, which it was my strength, but also

602
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 2: probably what put me out was I would train so

603
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: hard in the off season where you're taxing your body

604
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: so hard that like you're redlining on injury just in

605
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: off season training, just because you want to get your

606
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: body to a whole other level for the season. You

607
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: got to get it prepared for it, you know what

608
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: I mean. So I don't feel like that's happening as much.

609
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: So then when you do put that energy output into

610
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: a game, that's when things can go wrong. Your body's

611
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: got to feel it, you know. So it's it's complicated.

612
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what the answers are, but it just

613
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: to me, it seems like there's a lot more of

614
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: these injuries, a lot more, you know, and maybe guys,

615
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, maybe need to take a teaspoon of.

616
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: Some Yeah, and my trainings processing someone was very hard. Also,

617
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: I've had three NBA players I'm not gonna call your

618
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: name that would work out with me. And then by

619
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: day three like, dude, I'm out a while. Like you

620
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: trained to Art, I'm like, dude, you got to prepare

621
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: yourself for when training camp comes, because back then we

622
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: had training camp for what two weeks and it was

623
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: two days. You want to be ready so you're not

624
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: that third day of training camp you can barely move.

625
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: So the guys like, now you train too hard. They said,

626
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: you got to prepare your body foot so everything else

627
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: will be easy. And it's just weird how there and

628
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: these are superstars that you were like, oh crap. Just

629
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: imagine if you trained Art, how good you would be.

630
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: You know, some guys are just God gifted.

631
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the game in two thousand and five,

632
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: what was life like for you?

633
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: It was amazing, man. You know, you think about this.

634
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: You're on the national stage with world stage because the

635
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: game is so global now and you're able to go

636
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: out and play for a team that you know hated

637
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: you just two years ago because I was on the Lakers,

638
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: And now you're able to go out and perform and

639
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: have such a great perform much that it goes on

640
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: as one of the best games ever. And for me,

641
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: I remember my first year being with the Spurs, I'm

642
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: sitting there. They're getting their rings, they're beat us, and

643
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting like shit, I never on this side of it.

644
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm using getting the ring. So the first year I

645
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: was with the Spurs, I had a bad year. So

646
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: this was my second year with the Spurs. So my

647
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: second I was on a one year deal. I signed

648
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: for like a million dollars. Nobody know this. I could

649
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: have went to the Dallas Marricks and paid for like

650
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: four million a year whatever it was. But I said,

651
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Speaker 1: you know what, I had such a bad year. I

652
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Speaker 1: felt like I owe them, and I stayed. And that's

653
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Speaker 1: the performance I had. And it's like, you know what,

654
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Speaker 1: this is who I am. Don't look at what the

655
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: performance because people, you know, they always say I only

656
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Speaker 1: show up doing the playoffs is which not true. It's

657
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Speaker 1: just you use me more in the playoffs because you

658
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: know you need me and so that and for me,

659
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: that game, that series was just incredible because if you

660
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Speaker 1: go down the history of the nbing people I had

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Speaker 1: to guard, it's been two guys that always giving me problem,

662
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Speaker 1: Tim Duncan and Rashid Wallace because of their side and

663
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Speaker 1: their athletic ability. And Rashih was just he's just a

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00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: tough cover for me, and and and then win that

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Speaker 1: series against him, even though a couple of years before

666
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Speaker 1: that we won that series in Portland. But he was

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Speaker 1: he just he's just one of the greatest players that

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00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: nobody ever talks about because he could do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of everything. So and I look back at that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and looking back at that ball spot a great spot.

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Speaker 3: With him two bud lights two but heavies and both

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Speaker 3: both to man Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was it was a fun series man.

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Speaker 1: And and for me, like I said earlier, to have

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Speaker 1: the performance I had in the fourth quarter and a

676
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Speaker 1: little bit over time with no plays called for me

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Speaker 1: is one of the best performances you can have. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back after this quick break, dude.

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Speaker 2: So we have a segment where we go back in

680
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Speaker 2: time of two thousand and five, around the era of

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Speaker 2: the the game and the number one movie was Batman Beginnings.

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Speaker 1: You remember that movie? Yes, I do. The start of

683
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Speaker 1: the trilogy for Christopher Nolan, one of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: This is when I fucking loved because I was a

685
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Speaker 2: huge Batman fan when I was a kid, and I

686
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: had all the same same but they gave you It

687
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Speaker 2: was like the first movie that gave the origins of

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Speaker 2: where Batman came.

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Speaker 1: From, you know, and the whole like he had to

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Speaker 1: go and so you d Marl, I'm Batman. Okay, Okay,

691
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Speaker 1: I like that. I like I like Marvel's. I like

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Speaker 1: the original ones.

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Speaker 2: It's just gotten a little too crazy now you know

694
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Speaker 2: where everything's connected. I like like the original Iron Man,

695
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: the original O G. Spider Man. You can never get

696
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Speaker 2: wrong with all the spiders. I like the Spider Man's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love Nick Fury though. You know, just who

698
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: doesn't love Samuel Jackson. I just love Nick Ferry.

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00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: He can't Samuel Jackson. I used to call Martella's Bennett.

700
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: You remember markin He used to He used to get

701
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: on these little tangents and he sounded just like Samuel

702
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: ol Jackson when to me, yeah, just you know how

703
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: like Samuel you got to be, you know, you be

704
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Speaker 2: saying that ship team.

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Speaker 1: Meetings and stuff. It was crazy.

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Speaker 2: Number one song is We Belonged Together Mariah Carey. Actually,

707
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: fun fact, my first concert ever, I was in eighth grade.

708
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: I went and saw Maria Carrey.

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Speaker 2: I was I was, I was like four foot two and.

710
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Speaker 1: I actually get met her you bet I met her.

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00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was four foot two, so you could

712
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Speaker 2: only imagine.

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Speaker 1: I was like in heaven. I had the pleasure. I

714
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Speaker 1: had the pleasure of meeting her once too because of

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Speaker 1: Penny Marshall. You know, Penny Marshall was a good friend

716
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Speaker 1: of mine. And she's like, oh, Mariah, has you want

717
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: to go and out? Yes, and she is just like

718
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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, she is so pretty.

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Speaker 3: She is.

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Speaker 1: I was like that was amazed.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and her voice, her regular talking voice, is

722
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: just beautiful. Reddit was founded at this time on June

723
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Speaker 2: twenty third. Do you ever go and Reddit?

724
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Speaker 1: No, It's like it's basically I know what it is,

725
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: but I never going. Like I have this, like this

726
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Speaker 1: game that I have on my iPad and they says

727
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Speaker 1: you have to be you go on read it and

728
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: they tell you what to do. I'm like, I ain't

729
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: doing that shit. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I have a group, a text chain, a group of

731
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Speaker 2: friends that are always talking about it. I'll jump on

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Speaker 2: it here and there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, wedding crashers hits theater.

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00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: Did you see that? Oh motor boat man, Yeah, those

736
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: bad boys. Everybody loves wedding crashes man.

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't don't think my daughter's gonna be all notch

738
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Speaker 2: on the belt, not wearing a belt beltless.

739
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Speaker 1: In the sports row. In two thousand and five, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots beat the Eagles in Super.

741
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: Bowl thirty four. That was a dream team that they beat.

742
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: Remember that when but Tia bowled out with like a

743
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 2: broken leg. Yeah, those were some good games. Tiger won,

744
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods won his fourth Master.

745
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: That was must watch TV for me. Anytime he was

746
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: playing Tiger. Yeah, that was like, that's like my favorite

747
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: thing to watch it you play at golf. No, I

748
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: don't play it all.

749
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Speaker 2: I don't either, But I loved watching Tiger Woods because

750
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: anytime at this era, it was like he was down

751
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: three strokes going into Sunday.

752
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: You knew there's blood in the water exactly. He had

753
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Speaker 1: the red on. Tiger was just gonna go crazy. G

754
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: Miller's final season in the NBA. What a stud Oh

755
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: he was. You know. We actually tried to get him

756
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: to come join the Spurs in two thousand after he retired.

757
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: You know, come play with us. You know you got

758
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: a chance to win a championship. He's like, nah, I'm done.

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00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: You know I did it with him. I did it

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00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: with Grant Hill. I'm like, come on, Grant, come join us. Man,

761
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: get a chption. But Grant decided to go to the Suns.

762
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Speaker 1: I'm like, see, I told you I don't lose, dude.

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00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: Every other year I win the championship every other literally. Yeah.

764
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were saying KG tried to do that for

765
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: the Celtics. They tried to get Reggie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: He said, now again, I mean, hey, you gotta respect

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Speaker 2: the man that says when he's done, he's done.

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Speaker 1: A respect. That's you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Steve Nash won MVP. This is when Steve Nash era.

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Speaker 1: This is that controversial. Let's hear it because this is

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Speaker 1: the one where Kobe balled out. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: what Kobe had to think. He had the eighty one

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00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: point game and he was just and everybody's like, because

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00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: when you do? You know, I love Steve Nash. Steve

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00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: Nash was my rookie in Phoenix. It's like the NBA.

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00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: I always look at the previous season. If you have

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00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: the exact same stats, you don't win him. If you

779
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: think about because Jordan really so he had the exact

780
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: same stats. The team actually I think had more losses

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00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 1: and he got MVP and everybody's like, what the hell

782
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: is this? And it's just they didn't grade him on

783
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: the curve as they graded MJ you know, Barkley and Dreaming,

784
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: all these other guys who had won MVPs before me.

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00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: You know, if you ask Shaq, Shaq say this is

786
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: what he should have won it at Shaq, he should

787
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Speaker 1: have won every played.

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Speaker 3: This was Miami Shack too.

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Speaker 1: This is Miami Shaq. Man. I love Shaq. I just

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00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: ordered the chakaroni.

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Speaker 3: The chacaroni is so underrated.

792
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Speaker 2: I mean, I still have heart from Pepperoni.

793
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Ain't That's like my comfort food man, Pizza and football.

794
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: That's the perfect thing. Where's your favorite pizza from? You

795
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: know what? I don't you basketball guys, literally you have

796
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: lives in every city. Yeah, so you like football.

797
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: When we travel, we got meetings from when we get there.

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00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: We got curfew. We got meetings in the morning. There

799
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: ain't nobody leaving.

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Speaker 1: We got no curfew. I know you guys, man, you

801
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: know when you play in LA you only get to

802
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: go to Miami once. I remember one time, man, we

803
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: got into Miami maybe like at twelve o'clock. We got there,

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00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: like five limos lined up and we went straight from

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00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: the bus to Limbo and field, Like, what the hell

806
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: y'all going? We're going out. I think everybottle team went out. Man,

807
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: we already had the cars lined up and we went

808
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: and hung out. It's like, shit, we don't get that much,

809
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: so we going to hang out. And that's the one

810
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: thing that you know now with the NBA set up,

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Speaker 1: they couldn't did it in our era because now you

812
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: think you go to city, you might play two games

813
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: in that city. Man, it wouldn't have been no good

814
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: for us. Man, So think about that. You know, you

815
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: in Miami for like six days or something like that. Man,

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00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: that's why you should have home home court advantage because

817
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: you in Miami for six days of LA. Think about

818
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: you in LA. Some guys in LA a week because

819
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: you got the Clippers and you got the Lakers. I'm like, man,

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00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: if you don't win that game, those guys' legs should

821
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: be dead from partying and doing all that. That's that

822
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: type of stuff. So you know, that's that's for after dark, Edelman,

823
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: we talk about the next time, but after dark games

824
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: with names unrated baby, Yeah, exactly. Man. You know, Miami

825
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: does start at twelve I mean, that's when you're starting

826
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: to wrap up dinner. Let's set the stage jack for

827
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons going into this game.

828
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Speaker 3: Jump into the defending champ Pistons. Rob alluded to earlier.

829
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: They were coming off that four to one win over

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Speaker 3: the Lakers in the finals, so they had the bulls

831
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Speaker 3: eye on their back. Larry Brown in his second season,

832
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: second seed in the East. This is a team with

833
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 3: the Wallace is Rip Hamilton Darko on the bench. Still,

834
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: we got Antonio mcdce, We got Carlos Royal, mister big shot.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into that later.

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Speaker 1: Who the real pitch.

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00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: We know who the real big shot is though Chauncey

838
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: current Lakers head coach Darvin ham Uh. They had been

839
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Speaker 3: Wallace Defensive Player of the Year. This was also the

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00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: Malice in the Palace season, so don't forget that.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a what is your thoughts

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00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: about that?

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00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: What is the what are the boys talking about in

844
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: the locker room after that shit goes down? Are you

845
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: guys like I can't believe that happened?

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00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Or like, man, we're like, what the fuck were they think?

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00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: You know?

848
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: Even because I went into the stands once we get

849
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Speaker 1: Vernon Maxwell. We was in Portland and luckily I just

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00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: grabbed him to get him out of the stands and

851
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: before anything went down. He got suspended I think five games,

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00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't get suspended. I only got like fine,

853
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: like five grand or something like that. But that was bananas. Well,

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00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, people don't realize that year the Pacers probably

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00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: beat them to go through the finals. The Pacers were

856
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: freaking good that year. That team was a beasts. And

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00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: now they open up the opportunity for these guys to

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Speaker 1: do it doing But you know, I have the you

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00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: know the pleasure of doing this at my show with

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Speaker 1: the Lakers with our test sometimes he talks about it.

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00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: He always says, yeah, he says, he don't know what.

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00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: You know, he just clicked and he just lost out. Yeah,

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00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: you know what, because it always started with him and

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00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace getting into it. Yeah, and so you I

865
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Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen The Mouse in the Palace,

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00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: but you have to watch. It's really good and it

867
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: breaks it down and explains everything about the situation.

868
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 3: Very into the game, like garbage times.

869
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: The thing is with basketball, these people are right up

870
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: on you.

871
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you got a chili dog on a

872
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 2: basketball sometimes when he's thrown out a boundary.

873
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy to me, you know. With with football,

874
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: these guys have to be you know, there's like there's

875
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: a there's a fucking block off. And then think about

876
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: football always. I love football, like I said earlier, but

877
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: when you watch it, it's like it's so hard to

878
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: know who every guy is because see your faces, Yeah,

879
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: you always cover it up. And the guys who really

880
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: wear those black shields don't know how they see and

881
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: catch balls with that, you don't know who they are.

882
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: And it's like with us. You know, all we got

883
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: was a tank top and some shorts, so you see

884
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: a pretty much all of us. And so you and

885
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: then the fans are right there on the court and

886
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: they talking trash and they like in your ear and

887
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: so it's it's just it's I I really appreciate my sport,

888
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: but I kind of love your sport. The fact that

889
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: you're walled off from the fans and then you can't

890
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: really hear what they say. I know you probably can,

891
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: but I just assume that you can't.

892
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, worst fan base that that talk the

893
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: most ship yours. Oh, I'll tell you mine afterwards, Utah, Utah.

894
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: You heard that people don't understand the Utah Jazz fan

895
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: or holes they are. They can say some wild and

896
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: out of pocket stuff.

897
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, I have to you know, the I've played

898
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: against some crazy fan bases. Buffalo is always crazy fun.

899
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 2: But I had this part in the back of my head.

900
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: I had these two lines and I went up to

901
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: You're thinking I was tight. I went to Philly had

902
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: like a mohawk thing, a couple of parts.

903
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: This guy for fucking three straight hours talk ship about

904
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: my goddamn partner backed.

905
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: Man, that fucking part in the back is terrible. The

906
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: whole night after I threw.

907
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: A touchdown past that back game, I went right up

908
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: to him, I looked at him and I just pointed

909
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 2: at my part.

910
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, but it's fun, it's fun. Yeah, Well we

911
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: got Jaggie.

912
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that about does it for the Pistons.

913
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 3: Great defensive team.

914
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: Also, also, by the way, shout out. I was at

915
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: Travis Scott two weeks ago and Rip was how was that,

916
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: Travis Scott? Were you here? Rip was right next to

917
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: me and Gronk. Me and Gronk went to it and

918
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 1: we were talking.

919
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: I was talking to Rip, he's a big ass football

920
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: fan because him and Brady were cool. I think because

921
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: he went to Yukon and you know, they were winning

922
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: championships this time.

923
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rip was thinking about sending his kids to Harvard

924
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: West like they I think they went to Campbell Hall.

925
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, Rip always you know, he tells his kids

926
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: he's never been dunked on, and then one of his

927
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: kids says, then Robert Oloray dunk on you in the

928
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: finals in the game five. Be like, uh, that don't

929
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: count because that was a charge. I'm like, no, dog,

930
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: you got dunked on block baby all day YouTube exactly.

931
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: You can't. You know.

932
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: It's like our parents could be like, yeah, I walked

933
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: uphill in the snow for four miles.

934
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: I'm like that, we live in San Francisco. There's no snow,

935
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: and now, like you can literally google shit, especially when

936
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: you like, you say something, you know, because you don't

937
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: remember a lot of you said no, someone said no,

938
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: you didn't have twenty points. You had nineteen points, And

939
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna fact check you and let you know

940
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: you line to the public. I'm like, dude, nineteen twenty,

941
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: what's the difference, you know.

942
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,440
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943
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little joker.

944
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,120
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Speaker 1: Let's get into these Spurs.

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00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: These Spurs man another heck of a team. One started

967
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,319
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968
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,200
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969
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,439
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970
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,040
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971
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,640
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972
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,000
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973
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,080
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974
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,080
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975
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,080
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976
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: other big body helped him out there. All stars Genobili

977
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: and Duncan Pop of course. This was I mean middle

978
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,640
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979
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,120
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980
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy.

981
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: So you go from Lake Show with Coach Jackson and

982
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 2: Kobe and Shaq and then you go like to Pop

983
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: and you got Duncan. What like, what's that culture? Like?

984
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: How is that like going from a team that you

985
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: guys probably hated and be like similar pillar type organizations

986
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: that have.

987
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: Superstars that run the league. So it'll be like going

988
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: from the city with big lights to a small country town.

989
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: It's just how it is. You think about all the flash.

990
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: You know, you got all these celebrities. You know, you

991
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: look up. Halle Berry's over there, look up there, Gwynith

992
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: Pouth throws over there. You got all these stars. You know,

993
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: Denzel's coming up to you saying, yo, man, y'all sucked

994
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: the now you need to get you know, get it going.

995
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: And then you get to yeah motivating, Oh yeah, yeah,

996
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: you get to san Antonio. You got Tommy Lee over there,

997
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: who don't say thathing, you know. But it's it's a

998
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: big difference in the culture as far as what you

999
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: have access to pop control. San Antonio, like he wouldn't

1000
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: let you do anything that if it wasn't a part

1001
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: of their organization. Like I had. I used to do

1002
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: a clinic, a basketball clinic and they were an HB sponsor,

1003
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: and I had Walmart. He got mad at me because

1004
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, HGB is our sponsor, Like that ain't got

1005
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: shit to do with me. You know, I'm doing this

1006
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: for the kids, and this is who my sponsor is.

1007
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: And he literally they literally got mad at me because

1008
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, you, well, if you want to donate fifty

1009
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to my charity, let's go and let's do it.

1010
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: And then they were like, now you go ahead and

1011
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: do your thing. And so he had so much control

1012
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: of that town and the players were just like very disciplined.

1013
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: You think about it, the culture. We always talk about

1014
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: culture and sports. You got Pop Military, you got bless You,

1015
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: you got David Robinson, who's melitary. Those were the two

1016
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: seeds that really started that franchise. Yeah, yeah, and you

1017
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: get these guys. And Tim Duncan is just, you know,

1018
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: he's a product of his environment. He's very disciplined. He

1019
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do much, you know, if it ain't

1020
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: about video games, cars, a poker, he don't want nothing

1021
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: to do it. You know. But I think basketball is

1022
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: probably fourth on that list. And so he's just that

1023
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: type of individual where he's just gonna lock in and

1024
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: do this. And Manu was like that. Tony was the

1025
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: only one that was kind of like a wild child.

1026
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: When he started dating Eva, it was like, hold on,

1027
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: we don't want the spotlight on us. And now you're

1028
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: dating even Longoria that's more of a spotlight. And pot

1029
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: was like he didn't really like it too much, but

1030
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, you can't get in the way of love.

1031
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: And then you got Bruce, who was that type of

1032
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: it was. It was the culture, it was who he

1033
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: brought in is how he wanted it. And he controlled

1034
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: the narrative so much. That's why the teams were so

1035
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: good because he put his stamp on the team as

1036
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: far as field feels like, hey, we're gonna run the triangle,

1037
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it this way. We can be disciplined

1038
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: enough to run the system like it's supposed to and

1039
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: only yoga. Yeah, we're gonna talk our feelings. Yeah, but

1040
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: there's no difference in you know when you get to

1041
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: the great coaches. Yeah, they're all very structured and you

1042
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: believe in them and you believe in their system, so

1043
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: you kind of do what you need to do and

1044
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: if you get a wild child, you kind of next thing,

1045
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of either out the door or

1046
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: at the end of the bench.

1047
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's so similar to what Yeah, I lived in,

1048
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: you know, because if you think about it, we're in

1049
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: we were in Foxborough, which is it's a town. Yeah,

1050
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, you have Boston, you have Providence, but like

1051
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: most of the guys, I didn't everyone lived in Foxboro,

1052
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: like Plainville, which is right there. It's very small towny,

1053
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: and you know, I just wonder if like Pop and Belichick,

1054
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: like they sound eerly similar.

1055
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: They probably are, you know, that's what they you know,

1056
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: they probably do. They kind of look alike sometimes, you know,

1057
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: messed up here and don't give a shit how they look,

1058
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: just dressed what it would. I think the best thing

1059
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: for Pop was the fact that we got that the

1060
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: coaches now don't have to wear suits, because that's just

1061
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: the San Antonio culture.

1062
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: You know.

1063
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: They never wanted to wear suits. They just want to,

1064
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: you know, do their job and go home.

1065
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: I hate the quarter ziplification, man, I hate the quarter zips.

1066
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: You gotta get back the suits.

1067
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: I'm looking, I'm doing deep dives on Alabama basketball. I'm

1068
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: seeing Wim Sanderson wearing the sickest plaid sport good of

1069
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: all time. And now I get quarter zip universe over here.

1070
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, look, you gotta think about it, man.

1071
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now.

1072
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: For a coach on that hardwood with them dress shoes

1073
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: in a suit, man, for two hours, what is it

1074
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: two hours two and a half hours basketball game? I

1075
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: mean some of the sores I've ever been is when

1076
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 2: I preseason games and you just stand in some shitty

1077
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: shoes or some cleats, like because.

1078
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: You're not playing, yeah, and you stand for three hours.

1079
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: I'll tip my hat to coaches in the fucking dress shoes.

1080
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: That's why most coaches that are smart, you know, they

1081
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: sit down. They just sit there. You see. Now all

1082
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: these coaches want to stay on the sideline, Like why

1083
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: you cut on the side, Let's go sit down. You're

1084
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: in the damn way, young, young coach.

1085
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: Are the pop dinners as legendary as people say they are?

1086
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: If it's nochi lop lops of nochi? And why he

1087
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: loves his wine he loves his noch and those dinners

1088
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: were we would go to those dinners and I'm like,

1089
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: fuck nocchi again, man, dude, everybody doesn't like what you like.

1090
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: And so I was always make friends with whoever to

1091
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: show hey, man, can you bring me a bring me

1092
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: a kettle, one tonic, bring me something you know, and

1093
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: then bring me a uh, bring me a steak. And

1094
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: I will always try to find a way around what

1095
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: he wanted. You know. So he got to a point

1096
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: where he was like, just order what you want, guys,

1097
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: it's on me, and don't ever do that. I was like, yo, man,

1098
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: bring me something that louis out here. Now. He did

1099
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: that just to build the team he was trying to build.

1100
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: He just dove doing it, you know, because it's his team.

1101
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: It's ding team building. But I think to me, it

1102
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: was more so to keep us together. And I'm like,

1103
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, you got a team, you got to worry

1104
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: about keeping us together. Now, this was the Lakers, we'd

1105
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: be all over the place. But this team, everybody wanted

1106
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: to do stuff together. We wanted to go to movies together.

1107
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: We wanted to go to comedy shows together. We just

1108
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: did a lot of stuff together.

1109
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: So that's the difference between the Dynasties and Lakers. You know,

1110
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: they were out and about doing that thing intensil town, Hollywood,

1111
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: Oh Hollywood's good, and then you know.

1112
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: You're going to comedy shows. Nity. Is that the biggest

1113
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: difference between the Dynasties. That's that's the biggest diference. And

1114
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: because if you really think, you think about the dynamics,

1115
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: you had a really good guard in Jenobli and Kobe,

1116
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: you had a really good big and Tim and Shaq,

1117
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: and then you had really like Bruce Bourne's pretty much

1118
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: our Rick Fox and I was me and me on

1119
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: both teams. So you look at the culture you have him,

1120
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: you kind of have mirror images of everybody, but they

1121
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: had this was probably better in this aspect and vice versa.

1122
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: But I just think when you look at this era

1123
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: of basketball, you always had something center around a really

1124
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: good big. And for me, even though everybody now looks

1125
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: at the madel that Golden State put out there and

1126
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: they went in there all their championships, and everybody tries

1127
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: to immilate that now, you know, back then it was MLA,

1128
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, dream MLA, Patrick Ewing, Shack, Tim Duncans, all

1129
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: these legendary bigs, and now it's all about legendary guards

1130
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: and not realizing there's only been one team that's one

1131
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: with the legendary guards outside you know, outside of the Bulls.

1132
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: But they had Scotty Pepper, who he's a guard. But

1133
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: everybody wants to immlate Golden State wars like it only

1134
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: happened because you got the two best shooters of all

1135
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: time on one team. And if you have that you

1136
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: can do it because you know, Milwaukee wanted big, Lakers

1137
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: want it big. You know, look at Denver want it big.

1138
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: You gotta have a dominant big to win this game

1139
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: and be but every now and then you have a

1140
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: lucky guy like the Golden State Warriors. I like, I

1141
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: like seeing them do well.

1142
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 2: I like seeing them, but it's not my squad anymore.

1143
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they still have a good big and Draymond Green.

1144
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: So Ramon, he's the stir that that that stirs that thing.

1145
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: He's the straw that stirs the drink. That's what the saying.

1146
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: But when it comes to basketball, I think you always

1147
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: have to have someone with a little nasty in him.

1148
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: It's not afraid to like talk trash, elbow someone in

1149
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: the mouth or something like that, because you you have

1150
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: to have that to try to intimidate people. Got to you,

1151
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: got it? We got any Kobe stories before we go

1152
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: to our next summent. I think for me, you know,

1153
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: when you talk about hard workers, you know, you hear

1154
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: the stories and you hear what he's doing, but and

1155
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: you appreciate everything. But the thing he had that nobody

1156
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: ever told me. He had a thirst for knowledge. That's

1157
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: what I always say yeah he has. I mean, you

1158
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: can talk about football, basketball, the piano, you know, movies, music.

1159
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: He had a thirst for everything, you know. I remember

1160
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: we were on the plane coming from somewhere. We were

1161
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: playing spades and he's sitting there like this, just looking

1162
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: and just looking because he wanted to learn how to

1163
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: play space. I'm like, dude, I said, you're black. You're

1164
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: supposed to have to play space. Dude. He's like, see,

1165
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: this is what happened. When you don't go to college.

1166
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: You don't have downtime. We have to play space and

1167
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: so and it was just weird that, you know, I

1168
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: taught him how to play space, and I'm gonna back

1169
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: this thing up. And the first moment I ever met Kobe,

1170
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: I had just got traded to the Lakers and we

1171
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: just finished a shoot around and this shoot around. This

1172
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: dude going like one hundred miles power. I'm like, dude,

1173
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: this is shoot around. Calm down. I gotta get better.

1174
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: I said, you're not gonna get better when we're walking

1175
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: and you're running. So after practice he comes over. I

1176
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: thought he's gonna you know, I just wanted to get

1177
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: to know me. He was like, so, how was dream?

1178
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: He wanted to know how Dream was with, how Dream

1179
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: footwork were, what kind of work he put in, And

1180
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,479
Speaker 1: then he want to know about Vernon's defense because Vernon

1181
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: was one of the ones that was known to guard

1182
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan the best. He just wanted to know. He's

1183
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: just picking my brain about everybody I played with because

1184
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: he's like, you're champion, tom me, how it was. I'm

1185
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: like sitting there and we literally sat out the practice

1186
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,479
Speaker 1: for like forty five minutes, you know, just talking about

1187
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: my two championships with the with the Rockets and how

1188
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: it was and how we won and all that kind

1189
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: of stuff. He was just amazed at, you know, learning

1190
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: Dreams footwork.

1191
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: That is, I mean, that is such a perfect way.

1192
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: I don't I didn't know him, but he came and

1193
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: spoke to our team. Uh And we used to have

1194
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: guys all the time come in speak in the off season,

1195
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: come speak to the team. And that's exactly what I

1196
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: what I think about when I think of Kobe Bryant. Knowledge, thirsty, yes,

1197
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 2: and how diversified.

1198
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: His interests were. Yes, and the killer instinct that he had.

1199
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: Those are the three things.

1200
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: Because he was asking, you know, we broke up into

1201
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: some groups, and you know, a couple of us sat

1202
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: with them and talked, and he was asking us just

1203
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: as many questions as we were asking him.

1204
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Because he wants he loved winning. Yes,

1205
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: he just wanted to win. He wanted to do anything.

1206
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: It took just from the two hours that I got

1207
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: to spend around him. Yeah, And I think his intensity

1208
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: was too intense for a lot of people, especially in

1209
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: the basketball world, because if you go back, there was

1210
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: a lot of people that didn't like him because they

1211
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: understand him. He's like he had that philosophy is like

1212
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: most people from the ain'ts had, Like I don't want

1213
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: to be your friend. I'm not trying to go hang

1214
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: out with you. I'm trying to kick your butt, you know.

1215
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing that I appreciate about what

1216
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: Yanna said. Now he says, I'm not trying to be

1217
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: anybody's friend. You can come play with me and then

1218
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: I'll be your friend. But other than that, I don't

1219
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: want to be your friend because if I got to

1220
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: punch you in the mouth, I gotta punch in the mouth.

1221
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the attitude you gotta have. And

1222
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is with you guys like

1223
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't do with you guys at the end of

1224
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: the game. You go out there and you shake hands

1225
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: with it. But I can't do that shit unless I

1226
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: played with him in college. I ain't doing that. You know,

1227
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: it's definitely changed.

1228
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: And Brady went on record a couple of days ago

1229
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: saying that, you know how it's changed like that. We

1230
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: I remember I hated the New York Jets when I

1231
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: first got there. I remember Bart Scott getting in my

1232
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: fucking offensive coordinator Billy O'Brien's face.

1233
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: And saying, fuck you White.

1234
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: Literally there's close I'm sitting there, Billy Oh's motherfuck him.

1235
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 2: I was like, these people, we really hate this team.

1236
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: That was my introduction to like hating someone. And uh,

1237
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: just a lot of messes that, you know, but that

1238
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: was that's competition, you know.

1239
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: And speaking of messes, let's segue to how we clean

1240
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: up messes.

1241
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: We have the bounty Wingman question of the day, because

1242
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: when you have a mess, you know how to clean

1243
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: up the mess with the bounty paper. How can you

1244
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: bring them in here?

1245
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:18,479
Speaker 1: Sam?

1246
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: So we have this wingman question segment. These are the

1247
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: one not those wings that are so hot when we

1248
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: don't do that. Here, take one of these.

1249
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: And it's time for the Bounty wingman question.

1250
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: Bounty is everyone's favorite wingman because you can't have football

1251
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: without wings, and you can't have wings without Bounty.

1252
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: We got the wings. Let's try these wings. We got

1253
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: the blue. That's your hun Did you make these yourself?

1254
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: So my question for you is who is someone from

1255
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: your career you consider your wingman? Someone you knew that

1256
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: when they were on the cord, even without them, you

1257
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: could always be like you knew where they're at. Who's

1258
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: your wing man from the From the Rockets, I had

1259
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: really two wing men. It was Sam Cassel because we

1260
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: were you know, same age, came in the league at

1261
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: the same time. But when I know, if I'm getting

1262
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: ready to get into a fight or some you know,

1263
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: some pushing, and Shoven's gonna be there, Vernon Maxwell right

1264
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: there behind you, you know, to probably take over the fight.

1265
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: You got always guys that you bringing his alley.

1266
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then when I got to the Lakers, it

1267
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: was it was more show Rick Fox. Rick Fox was

1268
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: my wing man, Rick Yeah. Is he not too pretty

1269
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: to be a wing man? No? Rick rick Iss Feiston

1270
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: man you forget him, I know, but you wing man

1271
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: is supposed to But and then you got to think

1272
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: about it. If you know, if you're going out in

1273
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: the town, who better than have a pretty ball with

1274
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: you man? You get and the crazy part of his

1275
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: ex wife, my ex wife when we were married to

1276
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: our best friends now still today because he and I

1277
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: were wingmen. Yeah, so and then they get the spurs.

1278
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: It was. It was Bruce Boyne. You know, we sat

1279
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: next to each other on the plane, you know, same

1280
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: age kind of, and so we just kind of hung out.

1281
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,959
Speaker 1: So those are my those are wing men's. It's different

1282
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: when you have three different teams, you know. And if

1283
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: you for me, it is you always kind of gravitate

1284
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: towards people who have the same work ethic as you,

1285
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: who have from similar backgrounds, without a doubt. I wouldn't

1286
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: say that because some of my wing men, oh you

1287
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: know they did.

1288
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: We didn't have the same backgrounds, but we definitely have

1289
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: the same values, you know, Matthew Slater, I had different kind.

1290
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Of wing man's.

1291
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: You know, you have wingman for like if you if

1292
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: you need some some holiness or or some some loving up,

1293
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: or you need some to feel good, that was Matthew Slater.

1294
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: If I'm going out for a little mischief, I'm gonna

1295
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: have a little crazy night.

1296
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: My wingman's Danny A. Mondola, you know, you know. And

1297
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: if I need some production and I need that rock,

1298
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: my wing man is Brady. I gotta go with Brady.

1299
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1300
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: Bounty and Wings my favorite duo. And that was the

1301
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: Bounty wing man question. What a delicious, delicious wing and

1302
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: even leaner.

1303
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: Face because of Bounty. It gets in your beard, right,

1304
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: So when you and Danny every went out, did they

1305
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: ever get y'all confused? No, that's pretty racist. Due it's

1306
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: a thing.

1307
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 2: No, honestly, it happens all the time. And I say

1308
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: the same things.

1309
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: White guys. Yeah, it's funny.

1310
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Because it'll either be you know, they mix you, mix

1311
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: you up with Welker Amondola or or or me.

1312
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: But think about the three of y'all together, which is great.

1313
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: We didn't know well, I know you didn't play together.

1314
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, y'all, just the things y'all able

1315
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: to do is just pro like will and greatness to me,

1316
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: and and the precision y'all used to do it, and

1317
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: the way that y'all used to just you know, put

1318
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: your bodies on the line. Was like, I'm like, I

1319
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: can't do that. Ship you could if it.

1320
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: Was your field, if mom would have let you play football,

1321
01:01:59,280 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: you would.

1322
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: Have done it. Man, I got too much area to hit.

1323
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: Mantonio Gates basketball guys.

1324
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: Man, they can go out there and make a ball.

1325
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: But the funny thing is, you said, Sam Cassell, you

1326
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: know the same.

1327
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: You know Sam? He's my boy, is it? Yeah?

1328
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: Me and Mondola one day because Sam we got We

1329
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: linked up one time and we brought him out over

1330
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: to the bungalow over in Santa Monica. He was coaching,

1331
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: I think, and we had a crazy day at the

1332
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: bungalow and we've stayed in contact ever since.

1333
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: But he's he's because now he's in Boston. He's in Boston. Yeah,

1334
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: he just hit me up. But Sam's Sam. Yeah, he's

1335
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: a good dude. Yeah. We lived across the street from

1336
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: each other. When we first got to the Rockets. We

1337
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: was dry to practice together. We used to complained about

1338
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: Rudy t not running no plays for us to gether.

1339
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: We did allowed to have a guy to complain with. Yeah, exactly, Matthew,

1340
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: are you sitting there like fuse coach. Yeah, Jackie set

1341
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: up the stage of.

1342
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: This game all right, leading it up. As we mentioned earlier,

1343
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: before this game this game five were tied to to

1344
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: We stressed on the importance of a game five in

1345
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: these kind of series seventeen the last twenty three winners

1346
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 3: of Game five go on to win the series. That

1347
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: is true in this instance as well. Each game leading

1348
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 3: up to Game five was decided by double digits, which

1349
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 3: was which was kind of a surprise given this was

1350
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 3: This was a battle of two defensive minded teams to

1351
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 3: top five defenses pretty evenly matched.

1352
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: As the day we're defense wins championships, which was it was.

1353
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 3: It was surprising that all these games were were double digits,

1354
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 3: so people were kind of waiting for that one game

1355
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 3: turned out to be Game five where it was gonna

1356
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 3: be neck and neck overtime down to the wire. The

1357
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 3: game before this, Game four was a thirty one, ugly,

1358
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 3: one oh two seventy one loss for the Spurs. Pop

1359
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: called it the worst half of basketball he's seen an

1360
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: NBA playoff team play, So I can only imagine how

1361
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 3: that that went. After that game, Robert, you know, it

1362
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 3: was weird.

1363
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: After that game, Pop was like, you know, he came in,

1364
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: we just got to ask kick. You know, forget about it.

1365
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: Let's prepare for tomorrow, go get some rests, and we're

1366
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: gonna go on to the next one. It's like and

1367
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: as a player, when you get your ass kicked, you

1368
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: know you got and the coach can come in in

1369
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: and say, because you already pissed, especially in the situation

1370
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: like this game four, you should have won this game.

1371
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, you thought you should have won the game,

1372
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: but we just got to ask him and see, you

1373
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: know what, wash it. And the worst thing they ever

1374
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: do to someone is beat them like that because the

1375
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: next game, you know you're gonna be really pissed off.

1376
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: So it's that added motivation.

1377
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: And this was this was tough because, as Robert was

1378
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: saying earlier, this was back in the days of two

1379
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: three to two. So you just get your ass kicked there.

1380
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 3: You're hoping to go home these days, you go back

1381
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 3: to your place, you win game five, but we're steal

1382
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 3: in Auburn Hills here, So this was this was a

1383
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 3: tough turnaround before game five. Also noted that the series

1384
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 3: prior to this went seven games, so Detroit was kind

1385
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 3: of come and off a short wrestling lant two days

1386
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 3: two days rest before the series started, So some say

1387
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 3: maybe that's why they dropped the first two. I mean, quick, ress,

1388
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 3: they got right back into it. This was also the

1389
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: first meeting of two NBA Prior champions since eighty seven

1390
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 3: Celtics Lakers in this matchup. But yeah, getting into this

1391
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: all kind of leading up to Game five.

1392
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: Man, So I just want to know what's the mindset

1393
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: going into finals for your team going into this because

1394
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: you're you're playing the champs from the year before, but

1395
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: you guys were kind of I mean, you're a champ,

1396
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: you've been champing all your career, but you guys were

1397
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 2: kind of in that process of becoming a team that

1398
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 2: had that dynasty, you know what I mean. Yeah, So like,

1399
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: how do you what's the mindset going into it as

1400
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: a team? And then individually for you, someone who's played

1401
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: in every other year is in a fucking championship, So

1402
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 2: what made you know? What were the what were the mindsets?

1403
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: The mindset is to clear your mind of all the

1404
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: outside noise and what gonna be My dad is not

1405
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: the think about tickets, not think about you know, your parents,

1406
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: your wife, your kids, Because you can get off track.

1407
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird. You know, you think about

1408
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: your kids, but you just say, you know, you have

1409
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: a partner that's really good. Did like, I got you,

1410
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: this is the most important time in your career. I

1411
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: got everything. If anything pops up that I think you

1412
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: need to be involved in, I'll let you know. But

1413
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: you clear your mind. So your only focus is basketball.

1414
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing about what Popper was really

1415
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: good about. He was good at showing you not to

1416
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: do this, not do that, block out this, block out that.

1417
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: So the only thing you need to do is basketball.

1418
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: And I kind of already knew that though before coming

1419
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: into the situation. I learned that, you know, dealing with

1420
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, the Rockets and the Lakers and five championships

1421
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,959
Speaker 1: before this one, and so you learn how to block

1422
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: out the noise. And my whole thing was I used

1423
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: to always take a moment and just kind of meditate

1424
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: and do visualization. That was my key, where I vision

1425
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: the ball going in, the vision the ball going in,

1426
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, locking this up, playing this role defense, thinking

1427
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: about my opponent has to do, and going over the

1428
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: plays and these were all things that you know I

1429
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: would do personally and then you know that, you know,

1430
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: and I would tell like Tim like like dude, I'd

1431
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: be in his ear like, you Knowshid kicks your ass man,

1432
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, little motivating things like that. And I would

1433
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: go to Genova, Yo, man, just play wild and fierce,

1434
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: but under control. And you look at me, like what

1435
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: I said, play wild and fish under control. When I

1436
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: say under control means if it's not one hundred percent

1437
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: sure you can get that pass to a guy, don't

1438
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: throw it. It's like, okay, gotcha. And you had to

1439
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: just and some of the guys you talked to Tony,

1440
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: I would Tony, just played under control. I love Tony.

1441
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: You didn't really to say much to him. So it

1442
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: was all these things that within the game, within the

1443
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: game that we had to do to prepare. But it was,

1444
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: it was. It was a hell of a series.

1445
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 2: People don't realize that the distractions that come with going

1446
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: into a championship series for you guys, for a game.

1447
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: For us, that was the thing.

1448
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: You know, like as soon as you made to the

1449
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, we'd have that week off and you go

1450
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: into you know, you you had to deal with tickets,

1451
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: getting the hotels for your family, friends, getting all that

1452
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: situated in the first two days so you could literally

1453
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: do everything you could to win the game. Because this

1454
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: is one thing Belichick used to tell us. He goes,

1455
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to go out and have

1456
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: fun with your family, this that you know, and you

1457
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: lose the game, it ain't gonna be a good memory.

1458
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1459
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: You do all this, it's for your The festivities are

1460
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 2: for your family. You go out and win, You're gonna

1461
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: have the greatest memory of your life, you know what

1462
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 2: I mean. So put everything that you can control, your

1463
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 2: blinders on, do extra of the little things so you

1464
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 2: can go out and play fast, free and subconsciously like

1465
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 2: dialed for the game, you know what I mean. And

1466
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: it's crazy to hear you talk about visualization, because I

1467
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: used to do that every every day, you know, with

1468
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 2: I do these bald drills off the walls to get

1469
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: my eyes right for the day, you know, so for

1470
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: reactions and ship and I would always want I was

1471
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 2: doing and I was visualizing, you know, catch hit cat,

1472
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, all those little things. And

1473
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: it's crazy how far that takes an athlete, you know, So.

1474
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: Did it take did it carry over into your dreams though.

1475
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I had the same dream since I was

1476
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: like twelve.

1477
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: I had a coach. His name was I think it was.

1478
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: He was an older guy soccer football, football's.

1479
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: I think it's he's Polly and uh. I remember he

1480
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 2: was teaching me. I was a little running back and

1481
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: he I remember him telling me about this. You got

1482
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: to use a stiff arm too when you're on the sideline.

1483
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: Stiff arm and a spin so the guy overruns it.

1484
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: And you can throw him by.

1485
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: And I've had and I had the same dream where

1486
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 2: I was at Santa Clara High School playing against Oak

1487
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 2: Grove and I did the move and I scored. I

1488
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 2: still have that dream of this day, Like I don't

1489
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: know why.

1490
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: It's crazy like for me, I would literally have that

1491
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: and then my wife, my first wife, would wake me up,

1492
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: like you're doing it again. I'm literally playing a game

1493
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: and we literally have to get up and change the

1494
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: sheets because I would literally be sweating like I played

1495
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: the game. It was the weirdest thing ever. And that

1496
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: shows you how powerful the mind is if you can

1497
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, believe it, achieve it, and see if you

1498
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: can do it. So it was like crazy, how like okay,

1499
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: then I go out another game like that's one of

1500
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: the when I had those dreams like that, I usually

1501
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: shot the ball really good the next game because my

1502
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: mind just took over. Yeah.

1503
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 2: So it's a back and forth night.

1504
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah all night.

1505
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: Were there any of the big game adjustments from Pop

1506
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: at halftime or anything.

1507
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: No, The only big game adjustment was me at halftime

1508
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: because I think I was zero for three or oh

1509
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: for four. I sucked in the first at And I

1510
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: remember sitting in the corner, and I like to always

1511
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: put my locker in the corner doing the playoffs, So

1512
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: you know, no distracts even from my teammates with guys

1513
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: listening to their music. As a girl, you know, talking

1514
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: on the phone. I was like I was literally there

1515
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: talking to myself, and I could see Bruce Boyn kind

1516
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: of look at me because I was like saying, Yo, Rob,

1517
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: you fucking sucked the night you're supposed to be big

1518
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: shop Bob, you fucking terrible. I'm telling myself that I said,

1519
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: you got to get going. You know this, you don't

1520
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: you don't win this game, you might lose, I'm telling

1521
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: And Bruce is looking at me like this dude going crazy, right,

1522
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: And so I and I rarely do that. And then

1523
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: I did that, and then next thing, you know, I

1524
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: come out in the second half, I just ball out

1525
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: because it's you have to play those mind tricks with yourself.

1526
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to talk yourself into a moment. And

1527
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: I talk myself to me to one of the greatest

1528
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: moments in NBA history as far as like you know,

1529
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: dropping twenty one with no plays call for you and

1530
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: not being the main car get the machine. So I

1531
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: just felt like, Okay, I did what I needed to

1532
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: do to get me over that hump.

1533
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: Talking yourself into moments, folks, kids, talk yourself in the moments,

1534
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 2: says Bruce Lee used to say when you say negative

1535
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: things in your mind. I don't know the actual quote,

1536
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 2: but I should set it on Instagram, you know.

1537
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: But it stays there. It stays there, and it all.

1538
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 3: It all boils down to what Rob said before this

1539
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 3: game in the presser. A lot of people talk to talk.

1540
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 3: We gotta go out there and walk the walk.

1541
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta take us, you gotta take us. Okay,

1542
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 2: They're back and forth, back and forth. We're here to

1543
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: talk about one thing, and one thing. Take us through

1544
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: the last shot. Beat by beat.

1545
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we're sitting there. The play was actually

1546
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: for my Minu Genoble. It wasn't for me. I was

1547
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: supposed to mbound into Minu and then set a pick,

1548
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: pick and roll for so he can get to the rat.

1549
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: And so I'm seeing him come off the pick from

1550
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: Tim and I was like, Okay, the only past I

1551
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: can do is to bounce pass, because that's the only

1552
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: I can get to a bounce path. And bounce passes

1553
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,560
Speaker 1: I hate, but sometimes you got. And when I bounced it,

1554
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 1: Rashid kind of looked at it like, oh, he's really close,

1555
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: so he went for the trap, and so I just

1556
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: stepped in and I was on fire. So I wasn't

1557
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: going to try to put it on the floor to

1558
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: create for you anyone. So I took the shot and

1559
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 1: and after I was watching, I didn't realize Tayshawn Prince,

1560
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players in the game. He

1561
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: almost blocked the shot. But when you so focused on

1562
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: your shot, you don't even see him. And then next

1563
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: thing you know, it rattles in and we go up,

1564
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: we go up, and we win this game. Man. You know,

1565
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: it's just you know, you know, I noticing the clip

1566
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: earlier that you had. You showed Eminem up there, and

1567
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: I never talked trash. And Eminem was behind the bench,

1568
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: said you won't be getting number six to night, buddy,

1569
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: and I looked at him, and so I started talking

1570
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: trash to Eminem because I said, I said, after they

1571
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: hit that first, I said, you in fucking trouble now, dog,

1572
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: they better fucking get me. I SAIDs on s. He

1573
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: just started smiling, right. He didn't say much. And then

1574
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: after I did this dunk on rip, I looked at

1575
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: him like, I told you, it's fucking over. So it

1576
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: was just it was just one of those things. I

1577
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: never talked trash. But when someone talks trash me and

1578
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: it's Eminem, you know, one of the greatest rappers all

1579
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: the time, go we them. Yeah, And so I had

1580
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: to talk trash back to her man. So moment we

1581
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: got to rename this game. This is the Eminem game.

1582
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: Eminem, thank you for talking ship the big shot Bob,

1583
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: because it made him talk himself into a moment. He

1584
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: talked himself into a moment.

1585
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 3: Twenty one points in the last seventeen minutes.

1586
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 2: Twenty one points in the last seventeen.

1587
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 3: We also got who's who of Michigan here tonight. Chris

1588
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 3: Weber's in the building. Jalen Rose is in the building.

1589
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders is in the Barry Sanders, tom Izzo's in

1590
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 3: the building. Michael Moore's in the building.

1591
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: We got we got Kid Rocket.

1592
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 3: Rock Car America the Beautiful before the game. Yeah, Penny Marshall,

1593
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 3: the homie, is in the building. Just to name a few.

1594
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 3: How'd you guys become tight?

1595
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: By the way, uh, you know Lakers with the Lakers,

1596
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: My seats used to be behind Penny Marshall's seats for

1597
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: the Lakers, and my middle son was he will always

1598
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: come to the court and give me a hug before

1599
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: the games, and and Penny would see the relationship we had.

1600
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: So next thing, I know, two games later, I'm looking,

1601
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: He's sitting in Penny's lap eating Krispy Kreme, and I'm like,

1602
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: what the hell going on? He just I just loved

1603
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: She's like, I just love your son. And that's the

1604
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: one thing about you know, the Lakers season ticket holes

1605
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: that sit on the court some of the nicest people

1606
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: you ever meet, and if you treat them with respect,

1607
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: they gonna you know, you know, develop a relationship I

1608
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: remember this one lady. I can't. I can't. I cannot

1609
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: remember her name anymore. But I fell on her doing

1610
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: the game and I tried to avoid her, but it's

1611
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: one of these ones you can't avoid. And she was

1612
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: the elder lady. Every game I will go out and

1613
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: ask her how she's doing actually doing so. She remember

1614
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: like three games before the season, she came to me.

1615
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: She's like, Robert, come over. She's like, I said, how

1616
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: are you? She says, don't you have a sick daughter.

1617
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah. She says, do you mind if I

1618
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: get your address and send you something like sure, I

1619
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: don't mind. So season's over. Next thing, I get this

1620
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: big ass box on my front step. I'm like, what

1621
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: the heck is this? And it was from her. Apparently

1622
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: her husband was one of the guys who worked for

1623
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: Disney that died in that plane crash way way back,

1624
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: and she was a part of Disney. She seen me

1625
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: all this Disney stuff for my kids. I mean, my

1626
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: kids room were decorated Disney. I gave out Christmas gifts

1627
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: for kids in the neighborhood with Disneys for long cause

1628
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: she just sent me a whole box of stuff. Man,

1629
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: it was just it was just That's but I'll always

1630
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: tell people it's about the relationships that you make with

1631
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: the people in so many guys are arrogant, they are

1632
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: like they're above the people that come to these games.

1633
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: I always, you know, speak to fans, and you know,

1634
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: I try to talk to them when I'm in a

1635
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: good movie. That's what I'm always in it. But you

1636
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: just try to form those relationships because you never know

1637
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: who you're talking to, especially with you know, people that

1638
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: you see so often.

1639
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 2: Like I had a couple, you know, fans that became

1640
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: real close friends, Susan Reagan, Trish Kennedy, you know these

1641
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 2: ladies that like they were they were like our team moms.

1642
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I mean that, Like they always

1643
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: took care of us.

1644
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 2: They were always at every charity event that were holding,

1645
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, and just sweet people. And that's the cool

1646
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: thing about sport. It's it's a community that allows you

1647
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: to learn people that you never thought you'd get to learn,

1648
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 2: Like who.

1649
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: Like I remember one time I got a phone call

1650
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: from Jack Nicholson actually invite me to a party. I

1651
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: got a call from Seldom High. Did he give you

1652
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: a voicemail or is his voice just sounds so cool.

1653
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: He has the coolest voice. Is he has the coolest voice?

1654
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: How did do you say? Hey?

1655
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 2: Rob?

1656
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: He says, I have an event I want to invite

1657
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: you to. You come, I says, yes, I come, all right?

1658
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: See that it was really quick, comfortable. It's not like

1659
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 1: it was like straight to the point. I'm like, in

1660
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: the back of your mind, like, how the hell you

1661
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: get my number in the same And I know I

1662
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: knew how Sea High it got my number, and it

1663
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: was just it was just playing in La you get

1664
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: to meet these celebrities who are such fans of yours

1665
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: and vice versa. So it's I said, the Lakers are

1666
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: the best organizations to play for, not just for the

1667
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: fact that they always win and and they take care

1668
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: of their family, but the people you have access to.

1669
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, you talked to Sheet or Chauncey.

1670
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh Shot. I talked to Sheet about it. I talked

1671
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: because she's cool to say. I have never No, I

1672
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: never talked to Chance about it. You know. I think

1673
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: I think being Chance to have a rival that he

1674
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: don't know about is because he calls himself missed big shot,

1675
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, really, you just can't take my

1676
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 1: name and throw miss on the front of him, try

1677
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: to make it yours. You can't. I mean, how many

1678
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: how many rings he got? What he got?

1679
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: What?

1680
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: Three? Two? What do you go? You got as many

1681
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: as me? That's all I know, one alive other than

1682
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: sir ru Yeah.

1683
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 3: Wow, Chauncey's only got one year before. Yeah, Johnson only

1684
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 3: got one year before.

1685
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah he does player though. Yeah, I love Chance you know,

1686
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: doing good, big things with Portland right now. Chaunce and

1687
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: I want we have the same common really good friend

1688
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 1: Roy Rogers, not the actor of the basketball player, and

1689
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: he you know, we both went his wedding. So I

1690
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: love Chancey, but I'm the real big shot, not him with.

1691
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: Doubt And it doesn't even sound right, big shot, big

1692
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: shot Chance, big shot billups Nah, big shot Bob.

1693
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: Bob just rolls off the tome. What about Bob? Remember

1694
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: that movie? Yeah? Yeah, that's that's one thing. You realize

1695
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 1: that you watch a lot of movies when you travel

1696
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: a lot in the NBA, y'all, y'all, I think what

1697
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: y'all travel? Like? What seven times? Maybe if that ten?

1698
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: Like we're traveling all the time. So I used to

1699
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: have just a laundry list of movies that have my

1700
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: little I don't remember what they called it, but it

1701
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: had all the movies on it. I just watched movie

1702
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: for days. Even the team used to come like, Rob,

1703
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: what's good to watch? Because I'm just a movie free Yeah.

1704
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a lot of downtime at our house,

1705
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So like you're at the

1706
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 2: facility for twelve thirteen hours, twelve hours and do that. Man,

1707
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: then you know, you get home and there'd be a

1708
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: lot of video game guys, a lot of movie guys,

1709
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: you know, and then you got your guys that are

1710
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: single and mingling.

1711
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think I think y'all would y'all have

1712
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: to be at the facility with like an eight in

1713
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: the morning eight, you know, I'd get there probably fifteen.

1714
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: I like to get my routine in before because I

1715
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: had to.

1716
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 2: I'd have to like do I'd like get my body right,

1717
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: I'd get a lift in, I'd do my ball drills.

1718
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 2: I had like a routine of things that made me

1719
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 2: comfortable to go out and have my best day, you know.

1720
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: And I saw the I saw the guys before me

1721
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: that were around for a long time that did that,

1722
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, the Troy Brown's, the Tom's, the Kevin Falkes,

1723
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: the Teddy Brusk. He's like, you know, you watch when

1724
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 2: you're a young guy and you watch, you watch the studs.

1725
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: You know, at least that's what I did.

1726
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: I watched them and I'd sit and they were always

1727
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: doing something to make themselves better, you know. And you

1728
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: know I didn't have a wife or you know, I

1729
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: didn't have I was a mercenary bro. I was there

1730
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 2: for football, you know, pretty much my whole career. I

1731
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 2: had my daughter, you know, probably my eighth ninth year,

1732
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: eighth year, but you know, like when it was football time,

1733
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: everyone knew that it was football time.

1734
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing about you know, you talk about

1735
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: the two sports that you guys are way more I

1736
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: think sometimes they're way more disciplined when it comes to

1737
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: your craft because for us, it's like we have those

1738
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: days when you shoot the ball back. Okay, I gotta

1739
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: get there early and get some shots up because a

1740
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: typical day for us is, you know, you might get

1741
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: there like this is different for the guys like Cob

1742
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: will get there eight o'clock practices at eleven o'clock. He

1743
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: gets there like I would get to practice at ten o'clock.

1744
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: Practice is over at one o'clock. I'm probably out to

1745
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: do about three o'clock. You know, it's almost half the

1746
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: time you guys do because you got meetings. We hardly

1747
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: ever had meetings.

1748
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 2: You know, when everything comes down to you performing once

1749
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 2: a week for three hours, you know, you have to

1750
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 2: make sure you get every kind of thing tendency, you know,

1751
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 2: film that like you dial and put your eggs all

1752
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 2: in that one basket. You know, you can't afford to

1753
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 2: slip a game. You know, every game there's only seventeen

1754
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: now there were sixteen when I was playing. You know,

1755
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: every game means something, which in basketball, you guys could

1756
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: go and you know, you guys have a couple off

1757
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 2: night in Miami or something.

1758
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: But you got eighty six more, uh no, eighty two

1759
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: game season. You drop one game, you can make it

1760
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: up on a team like that, someone's injured or you

1761
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: just like have one of those hot shooting nights. Yeah.

1762
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 2: So the final score ninety six, ninety five, they couldn't

1763
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: there was one one second left.

1764
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: They couldn't do anything. You go on, you get the.

1765
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: Ship, you get your sixth ring.

1766
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: How come you guys, couldn't go back to back. People

1767
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: in San Antonio get mad at me for telling this story.

1768
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it. So you know, that's the year

1769
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks won. Yeah so they So we playing Dallas.

1770
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: We're up three in game seven, were up three. He says,

1771
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: don't file. If they get a layup, fine, take it out.

1772
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 1: So Derek has it. He goes to the whole Man

1773
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: New thousand and one, goes to the free throw line,

1774
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: makes the free though, we go in overtime. We lose,

1775
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: and so they go on to win that championship. And

1776
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 1: if Monu doesn't file, we you know, we win that game.

1777
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: We win game seven, We're going to win that series.

1778
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: Were going to the finals.

1779
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: So we not give them the sit down before the game.

1780
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 2: We got to play fast hard.

1781
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: But if the passes we said, we literally said do

1782
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: not foul in the huddle. Later maybe it was we

1783
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 1: needed Spanish.

1784
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 2: You know they say Spanish different in Argentina.

1785
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: It's like not kay. Maybe yeah. So and then people

1786
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: get mad at me, like I'm not blaming Mono, do

1787
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: you know me for that? I'm not blaming him, but

1788
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if we win that game, we three

1789
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: peat three. So I'm sitting here at eight time championship

1790
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: and Brady is still want to go to catch me.

1791
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: Come on, Tommy gotta come on. You know you gotta

1792
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: come back.

1793
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1794
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 2: Now, what's your best championship parade story?

1795
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: Is it from here? Is it from la? Is it

1796
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: from where? Is it? I? You know, Houston? I would

1797
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: have to say Houston. And the only reason I'm gonna

1798
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: say Houston is because we went back to back. I

1799
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie. I got so hammered that night after

1800
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: that game. You think about it, we swept the Orlando Magic.

1801
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: We went back to back, a sixth seed. I'm hammered.

1802
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: I wake up in some girls apartment. It's not it

1803
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 1: was my buddy's girlfriend. I wake up in an apartment.

1804
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: I'm like on the floor and of a tree. I

1805
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: think I'm literally outside and I look at my You know,

1806
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: this is before cell phones, so I look at my watch.

1807
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 1: It was eleven o'clock. The parade starts at eleven o'clock.

1808
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: So literally, if people look at the parade the second parade,

1809
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: it was held up because I didn't make it there

1810
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 1: on time. You talk about not being on time, but

1811
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: I had to go home shower, explaining my fiance what happened,

1812
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: and she looking at me cross side and she was

1813
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: like And then we went to the parade and I

1814
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: got it was I was so hungover on the prayer.

1815
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm like this on the fire truck waving up people.

1816
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: I was just that's the memorable, you know. The LA

1817
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: one was nice too, though. To see all the fans

1818
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: come out for LA and see Mark Mattson dance, it

1819
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: was just it was bananas for that because I grew

1820
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: up a Lakers fan and to be able to finally

1821
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: bring a championship to the Lakers after having great years

1822
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: in the Forumhound four All Stars, getting swept by all

1823
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: the drama that we had, and then being a new building,

1824
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: the State per Center, and bring that championship back to LA.

1825
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: It was an amazing feeling. You know, they're two different,

1826
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, reasons why you love certain things, and when

1827
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: you win championship. You know, on multiple teams, there's always

1828
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: a factor for everything, but the San Antonio ones. But

1829
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: I hate to say this was kind of boring because

1830
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: we just went around the riverwalk, you know what I mean,

1831
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: and the people, the fans, the Sanatori fans are bananas

1832
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 1: and freaks. But I want to be able to know,

1833
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, look not up at fans, looking down the fans,

1834
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: not nothing. I don't mean in a bad way, because

1835
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: you can throw them shirts and stuff like that and

1836
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: you have it's a better interaction, you know, in San

1837
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: Antonio in the middle of the river walk and the

1838
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: people up here and it's they can't throw bees and

1839
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: confitte on you because you can't pollute the riverwalk. So

1840
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I mean by that. So because

1841
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: I have to be careful what I say, because people

1842
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: in San Antonio always feel like I'm just bashing them

1843
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: when I'm not. I mean, it's probably a little different.

1844
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1845
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,959
Speaker 2: My my parade moments are, you know, going down Boilston

1846
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 2: on a duck boat, almost getting hitting the head with

1847
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 2: a beer, catching a couple, chugging them, throwing them. It's

1848
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: so crazy. The parades I used to try. I used

1849
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: to tream, like Ferris Bueller day off. Did you on

1850
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 2: top of the fucking floats?

1851
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: Did you have your shirt off? A couple of times

1852
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: it was like twenty degrees. You know, that's the thing

1853
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: that every parade now, every athlete has to take this

1854
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: shirt off and show off their body, like, look at me,

1855
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: I got I got a six pack eight fact, I'm ripped.

1856
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 2: I was in a T shirt definitely shouldn't have been

1857
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 2: T shirt. Whether well, let's let's let's get into this.

1858
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: Where does Pop rank among the greatest coaches of all time?

1859
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 2: Is it Pop or is it coach Jackson? You know what,

1860
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: It's different, they're they're they're different but the same. The

1861
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: fact that you know, Phil wasn't a yeller. He wouldn't

1862
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 2: yell at you. Pop will yell at you. And that's

1863
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: the difference in them. But they all emphasized defense and

1864
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, doing your job. You know, we responsible for

1865
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: you number and then re responsible for the team. And

1866
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 2: I think those are the two things that that that

1867
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,440
Speaker 2: you can compare them with. And they had a control

1868
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 2: of the team, and they had a respect from the team,

1869
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 2: because once you coach great players that guys view as

1870
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: great ones, and you win a championship with those great ones,

1871
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the ultimate respect for us and and

1872
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 2: for me though, it's like I look at them and

1873
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 2: everybody once you always pick When I said, why do

1874
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 2: I have to pick just one?

1875
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I love both of them.

1876
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: But I, you know, but it's weird though I never

1877
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: had a relationship with either one of those guys. I

1878
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: had a relationship with Rudy T when I played with

1879
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: the Rockets, neither one of those guys, because that was

1880
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: more so on my end because I had such a

1881
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: great relationship with Rudy T. And when they traded me

1882
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: to Phoenix, I felt like that was a stab in

1883
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 1: the back. So I never wanted to have a relationship

1884
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: with coaches anymore. You went from personal slash business or

1885
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: just straight business. Yeah, it's hard. People don't realize that.

1886
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's why some coaches, you could say,

1887
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: are like that with certain players, you know, the straight business,

1888
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 2: because they know there's going to be a time where

1889
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 2: feelings get involved.

1890
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: And for me, you know, it's a business from day

1891
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: one because you're getting paid for it, and you shouldn't, like,

1892
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, people get their feelings involved. And I had

1893
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: to said, all right, on the flip end of this,

1894
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 1: what would you do if this was your business and

1895
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: you had an employee who wasn't living up to your expectations?

1896
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: Would you keep them around just because you love him? Oh?

1897
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: You put them out to passion. And that's just how

1898
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 1: you know sports is. You gotta understand it's a business.

1899
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: You're gonna make money. These these the reason these guys

1900
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: own these teams, these billionaires, because they are no nonsense

1901
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: type of guys, and so you got to take it

1902
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: like that. It is a production business.

1903
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 2: You know what's more impressive winning seven rings with one

1904
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 2: team or seven rings with three teams?

1905
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'll be honest, I think if you can

1906
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 1: win seven rings with one team, and this era is

1907
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: impressive because you got to think about the turnover and

1908
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: the other teams trying to build their team to beat you.

1909
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: There's so many teams that you say, Okay, I'm going

1910
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: to have this guy just for shock. So I need

1911
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: to know the files. I had the file because you

1912
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: look at the way the Sacramento Kings were built. They

1913
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: had like two guys that sound the bench, didn't play

1914
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 1: all year until they played the LA Lakers. The beat

1915
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: up shock and you got and these teams do that

1916
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: because it's it's reality. Like when you sit down, like

1917
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: right now in the NBA, everybody's like, we need to

1918
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: find a way to beat Yokics. That's what every team

1919
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: is saying because he's such a dominant player on the

1920
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: offensive end, you know, the defensive end. We need to

1921
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: beat Yokis. You know, before it was how to beat Curry,

1922
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: but now it's how to beat your Yokis because he's

1923
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: on top of the ground, on top of the hill.

1924
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: So that's what every team does. They try to figure

1925
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: out how to beat you. And for you to win

1926
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: that many championships in the road means everything everybody threw

1927
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: out you, U was able to dodge it and get

1928
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 1: to your mountaintop. So I say seven, but it's don't

1929
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: get me wrong. Now, seven championships in general is hard

1930
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: to win.

1931
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with the constant turnover of teams now and

1932
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 2: the parody in the league and new guys coming, is

1933
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 2: anyone ever going to get seven rings again?

1934
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't believe so. And I think,

1935
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, I thought it would be Lebron, but I

1936
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be Lebron now. I hope

1937
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: so because that means the Lakers win championships. That means,

1938
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, I get another ring because I'm a part

1939
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 1: of the Lakers staff. But and I don't think and

1940
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: if you look at Steph unless he goes to another team,

1941
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: and I don't think he will because of the lord

1942
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,839
Speaker 1: the factor there. I don't see it, and there's nobody

1943
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: else that's even you know, close to that, I think

1944
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: who I think Lebron and Steph are the only ones

1945
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 1: that have four rings. Then that means they got to

1946
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: win it three more years, so they can't. Then how

1947
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna make the playoffs. I think he's an incredible player,

1948
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: I think, but young. He's young. But my my roocular

1949
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 1: year is chet Check Holmern because he's basically what Wenby

1950
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: was last year as far as physicality. He was that skinny,

1951
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: but because he got hurt, he was able to get

1952
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: in the weight room, put some some weight on it,

1953
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: and start to understanding the NBA game. So I think

1954
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: in about three to four years, you know, he's gonna

1955
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: be a beast to continue because he's so he's so skilled.

1956
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: He's able to block shots from forty feet away. So

1957
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be amazing what he's able to do

1958
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: once he gets a little weight and a little bit

1959
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: more NBA knowledge. Yeah.

1960
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean I've only watched him a couple of times

1961
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 2: and you can definitely see, you know, the Euro game

1962
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 2: and the ness and you know, he can make every

1963
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 2: shot and do all that.

1964
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: But I was watching. I don't know who it was,

1965
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: but there was some.

1966
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 2: Some some dude about seven inches smaller than them man

1967
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 2: handling him.

1968
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: Daron Fox, I know exactly what you're talking about. Daron

1969
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Fox pushed him so far out of the out of

1970
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 1: the box and then he traveled on top of that

1971
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: instead of just you know, putting the ball if it

1972
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: turned around. Looking at him, But he'll learn that.

1973
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 2: We got to all remember kids nineteen.

1974
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: Yes, he's eighteen. He's a fucking little boy. He can't

1975
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: by b yet. I bet you might get three more inches, yeah,

1976
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's so weird, just think about it.

1977
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: He can still grow and he can get stronger. Just

1978
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: I just hope he stays healthy, because that's the thing

1979
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: with when you get started getting big. Yeah, human bodies.

1980
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 2: Aren't supposed to be doing that, you know, especially with

1981
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 2: shoes and stuff.

1982
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: The feet, yeah, the feet for the big has.

1983
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 2: Always scare me. Yeah, because you guys are on that

1984
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 2: hard surface and I had a lot.

1985
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: Of foot problems. You had a lot of foot problems.

1986
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I broke both my feet well, just from you

1987
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 2: know over cutting and cutting so hard and I was.

1988
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: Very fortunately I only had one. I have two injuries

1989
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,560
Speaker 1: to keep me out for a long period time. I

1990
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: strained my m c L and then I had a

1991
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 1: virus to attack my heart which gave me extra beats.

1992
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: So I missed a total of like three weeks for

1993
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 1: that and like five weeks for my knee. Jeez. Yeah,

1994
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: people don't realize how hard, yeah that is to stay

1995
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: that hell healthy. But it was all from training and

1996
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: the off season to prepare your body for that. Grind

1997
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 1: man got to you. Gotta we got to get into

1998
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: scoring the game real quick.

1999
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 3: Oh we got We got a couple quick stat corrections.

2000
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: Oh did I miss anything, Jackie?

2001
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 3: You were born March twenty second, nineteen eighty six.

2002
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Well I was born May twenty second, but yeah, I'm

2003
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 2: born eighty six.

2004
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 3: There is the year eighty six football for a long time.

2005
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 3: Oh my Kobe dropped eighty one and six, not five.

2006
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 3: On the Vernon Maxwell incident February seventh, nineteen ninety five,

2007
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 3: Rockets Blazers at the Old Memorial Coliseum, Vernon went in

2008
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 3: the crowd in the infamous quote he said, kiss my ass,

2009
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 3: motherfucker to this guy. He went for him. He ended

2010
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 3: up getting suspend a ten games find twenty thousand dollars.

2011
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 3: The fans sued him for four point five million. It

2012
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 3: was settled out of court, so we don't know, we

2013
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 3: don't know the exact figures there.

2014
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that the bullshit.

2015
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a bump move.

2016
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:36,959
Speaker 1: But the fans the part would set Vernon off. Vernon's

2017
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: daughter was still born, and so he had a tattoo

2018
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: her of her on his arm. And I remember I

2019
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,560
Speaker 1: was sitting at the end of the bench and I

2020
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: could hear the fancy who's that bitch on your arm?

2021
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god? And all I see was Vernon go

2022
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 1: cross the path me. I was like, oh shit, and

2023
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I went up there to get him. So it was

2024
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: like and I hate when, like, you know, I don't know,

2025
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: I want to I want to love to know that

2026
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: situation happened, how much he got and it was selled

2027
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: out of court. Did David Stern step in? Yeah?

2028
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, there's a big difference of saying someone's

2029
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 2: face and behind a keyboard. I stick to buying a keyboard. Boys,

2030
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 2: guys getting getting the gridiron jokers are coming up for you.

2031
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,560
Speaker 3: Bro also in the crowd that night, Jerry Seinfeld and

2032
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,679
Speaker 3: Bill Gates. They were lucky it wasn't them Seinfeld. Seinfeld

2033
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 3: probably has some dope ass shoes on.

2034
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 2: He's a sneaker junkie, low key. If you watch he

2035
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 2: has a bunch of cool sneakers. If you watch the show, He's.

2036
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 3: A Superman, guysm super Superman.

2037
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Superman was in every episode, somewhere in every episode. Did

2038
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: you know that? I did not? Yeah, did you know?

2039
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry loves He's obsessed with the Mets and Superman.

2040
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2041
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 1: I used to be a Mets fan. Really yeah, Gary

2042
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: Carter fan. Yeah, I love the Giants.

2043
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 2: But also I was gonna get into you know, it's

2044
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:58,520
Speaker 2: cool to like people that have good imaginations and like superheroes.

2045
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 1: Thatman's real, Man, he's real. He's the only one didn't

2046
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: have powers, right.

2047
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 2: He didn't have no powers. He had a bunch of

2048
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 2: gadgets and toys.

2049
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 1: Tony Star didn't have any powers either. I like Tony

2050
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,839
Speaker 1: Stark too though. Yeah, just his brain, that's his superpower.

2051
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: Any guy that's hello rich with cool toys, that's me.

2052
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 1: I want that score this game.

2053
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 2: What's the name of this game? The Eminem game. I

2054
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 2: need to be eminem pissing off big shot Bob. What

2055
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 2: it's a good ring, a good jingle, I need a

2056
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 2: good jingle.

2057
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 3: I think the Eminem game sounds pretty good to me.

2058
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 1: The Eminem game. We got to get them on games

2059
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 1: and names.

2060
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 2: Will be right back after this quick break. So this

2061
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 2: is score the game presented by win Bet. We go

2062
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 2: through and we score all the games that we've done

2063
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 2: with our guests, and then we go and see where

2064
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 2: it lays on the chart of our games.

2065
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: So steak, So I have to be honest, is what

2066
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 1: you're saying. You gotta be honest. You gotta be honest.

2067
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 2: Steaks zero to ten decimals, Ok, one to ten?

2068
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 1: This game was it was had to be a ten

2069
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: man ten. Yeah, because you got to think about this.

2070
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Game five won of the pivotal games you know you won,

2071
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 1: went away from winning a championship. I mean we did

2072
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: see game five.

2073
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 3: What's the stat, Jackie, seventeen out of the last twenty

2074
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,719
Speaker 3: three win it. It's it's very important. In the seven game.

2075
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: Series, Kyler, what wherever are you shaking your head on the.

2076
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 3: Tyler's more, Game seven is what deserves a ten. So

2077
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 3: if you look at them.

2078
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 1: I think I only played in like what one game

2079
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: seven in the finals, two game seven in the finals.

2080
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 1: None in this playoff mix the Knicks played in. I'm

2081
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 1: talking about the NBA Finals. The Knicks we went game

2082
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 1: seven and this one went game seven. Because with the

2083
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 1: Lakers we never went game seven. We swept Orlando Magic,

2084
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: and then we swept the Nets. We lost one game

2085
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: against the Phillies. We won games you know six against

2086
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 1: the Pacers. Yeah, I only been to game seven, and

2087
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: then we swept the Cleveland Cavaliers in two thousand and seven.

2088
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 1: So think I've been part of three sweeps in the finals.

2089
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 2: He never lost in the fun he gets ten ten.

2090
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: So that's why making the game, that's why I get

2091
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 1: it to ten. You got seven.

2092
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 2: It goes a long way.

2093
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Go nine point nine to make it better. Let's go

2094
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: nine point nine, nine point nine. I've been pressured into it,

2095
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: pure pressure. Star power.

2096
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,839
Speaker 2: I mean we went over the stars, teams, crowd, everything.

2097
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Well, you got to understand, like that star power is

2098
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 1: Michigan star power. And for me, it didn't mean to

2099
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: mean crap that those guys only start power. Me was

2100
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: Eminem you know, May Barry. I love Barry and so

2101
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 1: everybody else in the izo Michigan State who really cares

2102
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: about that? You know. So I'm gonna say this star

2103
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: power is like a six. Six, yeah, five, I'm gonna

2104
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: drop it down to a five because you gotta realized,

2105
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: a regular season game in a Laker uniform, we have

2106
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: all of that.

2107
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 3: A Michigan A lister is like an l a c lister.

2108
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean, was at the top of the crowd.

2109
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: Writer, It's true.

2110
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 3: He had his shirt off in the crowd. I saw

2111
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 3: he was doing the PD Pablo twisting on his head.

2112
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 3: He was wild, you know, PD Pablo Carolina Man.

2113
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: Okay, no cac lay, all right, he is revered. What's

2114
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,919
Speaker 1: the gameplay? One to ten game shot? You know, when overtime.

2115
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 1: So I have to get this, like, I'm gonna have

2116
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: to get this ten because it was overtime. It was

2117
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, on the court, their coord you know, and

2118
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: then you have some guy by the name a big

2119
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: shot Bob that you know, just lit the ass up.

2120
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 1: So I had to get us on a ten, the

2121
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:37,640
Speaker 1: real big shot, and he had to manifest it.

2122
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,679
Speaker 2: He had to talk himself and do a moment because

2123
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 2: of Eminem the name of the game is the eminem game?

2124
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: What is zero to ten? I got it. I gotta

2125
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: get that an eight I don't get at eight eight

2126
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 1: eight eight straight eight straight the eminem game. You know,

2127
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know it'd been better if you know

2128
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 1: it's a big shot, Bob, you know something like that.

2129
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 3: We can change that.

2130
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 1: We can change it. I mean giving too much them?

2131
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 2: No right now, I love, I love, have probably got

2132
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 2: like fifteen is.

2133
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 1: One of you know, he's one of the greatest rappers. Man,

2134
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: it's eight two.

2135
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:18,160
Speaker 2: Where does it go on to the board?

2136
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: These are all the games we've done so ranked number one, okay,

2137
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: number two.

2138
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 3: It's because we had Mark Cuban in here and he

2139
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 3: screwed up our whole system. Can you give everything at ten?

2140
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:32,640
Speaker 3: Rob and Rob?

2141
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2142
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 2: Rob Rigel just gave everything straight tens Ara Man ninety

2143
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 2: nine Women's World Cup.

2144
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,719
Speaker 1: Fine, okay, yeah, So this one's this one's right between

2145
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: the bush push.

2146
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 3: This one was right between that nineteen eighty five AFC

2147
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 3: Championship game and they Can't Wait game with with part

2148
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 3: Scott there and rich Eyes and can't wait.

2149
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 1: So you had Gibs in here, we had Gill in here. Yeah,

2150
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: Gill hates me. Really no, we have like it's a

2151
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 1: it's at Little Robber because you know, every show he

2152
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: likes it to say would you rather have three hundred

2153
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 1: million plan? Or would you rather have seven rings? And

2154
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: only made I think it's a I'm just say forty million,

2155
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, you know you want to

2156
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 1: put me out there, So I rather have seven champions No,

2157
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,560
Speaker 1: I rather have the money. And so many people, you know,

2158
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 1: especially Jack Captain Jackson's you're a loser because you don't

2159
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: want to win. You just care about the money. And

2160
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: and just the other day he had Rashid on this show,

2161
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: and Rashid was like, I take the rings, and he

2162
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: shocked when people say they take take the rings because

2163
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: it's what you value more. Do you value winning or

2164
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,519
Speaker 1: you value money more? You know what I mean? So

2165
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 1: so here's my question. You would you rather have seven

2166
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: championships to make forty million or have no championships with

2167
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: three hundred million?

2168
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 2: And be honest, because what people don't realize if you

2169
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,759
Speaker 2: give yourself to the game and you win everything for winning,

2170
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 2: that forty million is going to turn way over to

2171
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 2: three hundred million because of the longevity you'll always have.

2172
01:41:58,200 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 1: For being a champion.

2173
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I mean, Like, what are you

2174
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 2: gonna celebrate when you have one hundred mel a three

2175
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 2: hundred mil? Yeah you got you know, you got seven

2176
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 2: rings and things.

2177
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 1: Yes. I always like, you know, you get so many

2178
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: time with me. Yeah, so many people say, I think

2179
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 1: it's three hundred million. It said, I can buy the

2180
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 1: many rings I want. But it's like, yeah, you can

2181
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 1: buy the rings, but they don't. It's not from your

2182
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 1: hard work and your sacrifice, you know what I mean,

2183
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: your dedication to the game. And you know, getting to

2184
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: the upper echelne, the apex of the mountain, well, only

2185
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 1: a few sits.

2186
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:34,799
Speaker 2: There's only like three guys that shit in there, that apex.

2187
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 2: Rob we miss anything from the game. From the game

2188
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 2: other than that.

2189
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: We went on went home and played Game six and

2190
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 1: lost to them, and then we won Game seven and

2191
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 1: won a championship. And I think I think I started

2192
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: a trend then because when we wanted, you know, my

2193
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: whole thing was always out every game. I always grabbed

2194
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: the basketball. So I grabbed the basketball. And if you

2195
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: look at the picture, it's me and my son sitting there.

2196
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 1: So now everybody brings their sons out, you know, they

2197
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,679
Speaker 1: do the press conference with their son. Like I feel

2198
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: like I was one of the guys that started that

2199
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 1: because I brought my son to Core. Now you know,

2200
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 1: I did everything with him, and I was just trying

2201
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 1: to because I knew my career was about to come

2202
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,719
Speaker 1: to the end, but I wanted to share that moment

2203
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: with my kids. And from that and just so many

2204
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 1: other things that go on at from you know, me

2205
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 1: being the originator of small ball, you know, back when

2206
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: I was with Houston, and then just you know, now

2207
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 1: his transcending to what the game is today, and there's

2208
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: just so many things like that that I think about,

2209
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: even though I might not ever make the Hall of Fame,

2210
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 1: but I was a trendsetter. Yeah.

2211
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're You're in our Hall of Fame, and

2212
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 2: you should be in the Hall of Fame. I mean,

2213
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 2: there's got to be a reason. You don't just go

2214
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 2: on teams and win championships for no reason. There's a

2215
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 2: chemical makeup, there's something that's been touched by God that

2216
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 2: allows people to do that, and I mean, I've never

2217
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,640
Speaker 2: seen anything like that. I actually kind of hated you

2218
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 2: for a second because I jumped off that Warriors bandwagon

2219
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 2: for a while and went over to the Kings and

2220
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 2: you know a lot of web we had, you know,

2221
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,719
Speaker 2: everyone bib and you put us down too.

2222
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 1: Well, you know the thing that people don't Yeah maybe,

2223
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 1: but you know the thing that people understand what comes

2224
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 1: along with the game. Now you're gonna go down this path.

2225
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Now. You know, everybody says

2226
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,639
Speaker 1: that rep they want to blame the guy who got

2227
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, arrested and put in jail. If you go

2228
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: back and look at game six, they made up for that.

2229
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Nobody talks about Game six where they got all the calls.

2230
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 1: They got a couple of calls where they stepped out

2231
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:46,720
Speaker 1: of bounds, clearly, they got a couple of calls where

2232
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 1: they shot the ball after the shot clock. They got

2233
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 1: that call. But nobody talks about what happened. You know

2234
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 1: what happened in game seven. Pager doesn't play in game seven.

2235
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 1: You remember that, there's no freaking way if you win

2236
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,560
Speaker 1: this game, you know, you win the NBA Champions. He

2237
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: turned his ankle and did not play in that series.

2238
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 1: In this game seven and from getting to know you

2239
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 1: just now there's nowhere in hell that you wouldn't be

2240
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: out there on that court. You at least test it

2241
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,679
Speaker 1: out to see if your ankle could go right. I'm

2242
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 1: going he didn't even test it out, So now they

2243
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: had to start a diet. And we win that series.

2244
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: So but nobody they want to talk about, you know,

2245
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 1: the game five, you know, the cheating and this and that.

2246
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 1: It's like, at the end of the day, you still up,

2247
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:28,599
Speaker 1: you still have a chance to win. You have two

2248
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: more games to win that series. And you don't don't

2249
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: blame it all on one game because there's no telling

2250
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: if you go up three to one, there's no guarantee

2251
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: you win that game. You forgot who we had the

2252
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: best duo in basketball, Shaq and Kobe and you. Yeah. Yeah,

2253
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. So everybody's like, oh, we

2254
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:45,679
Speaker 1: could have wanted no guarantee you win that game.

2255
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:49,680
Speaker 2: You know, no, man, you gotta plug anything, you know.

2256
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,759
Speaker 1: I just you know, for me, I'm doing my podcast.

2257
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 1: I did the Big Shot Pod Big Shot Pod podcast

2258
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: with a couple of Rob Jenners and Brandon Dude. We

2259
01:45:58,280 --> 01:45:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, we just sit around. We just have fun.

2260
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 1: We like have fun. What am I coming on? Whenever

2261
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: you have the time, man, you know, time and place

2262
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 1: I said it up place. I set it up with

2263
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 1: your people's man. You know. We usually you know, we

2264
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: we do it out of the home so you can

2265
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:13,680
Speaker 1: be in your bath robe, where you can be on

2266
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 1: the toilet, whatever you want to do, we do it

2267
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,640
Speaker 1: that it comfort your own home. But I like this

2268
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: set up. I like to come and be nosy and

2269
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:21,600
Speaker 1: see what kind of ideas I can steal, like the

2270
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 1: Bruce willis you know, yeah, and that you know, and

2271
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: off the court, I'm on. You know. I'm working with

2272
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: this company called Shirko, which is kind of fun. It's

2273
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: about trying to help people save money's company save money

2274
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: where we come in and we do it. We analyze

2275
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: your company, and we talk to human resources and we

2276
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 1: make the insurance for each individual that come to better

2277
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: for the people. You know. It's it's it's weird how

2278
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's a blanket, uh slate when it comes

2279
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 1: to insurance when a company comes to oh, you're just

2280
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 1: gonna get a B and C, but it might not

2281
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: work for you, and it might not work for him

2282
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 1: or her over there. And we come in and we

2283
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 1: we we analyze it and we we we we adjusted

2284
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 1: it works specifically for your needs. And so that's what

2285
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: I'm doing now, which is kind of fun. I love

2286
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 1: going into companies and trying to get them to, you know,

2287
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: come join our company. Let us do it. Let's talk

2288
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: to your HR and let us, you know, save your

2289
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 1: million dollars, like we save a couple of companies like

2290
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 1: three million dollars and so and this is all due

2291
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: to me being about this company, all due to me

2292
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 1: being a seven time NBA champion. So now this is

2293
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:25,600
Speaker 1: out making that three hundred million ups. I mean, you

2294
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 1: know what it takes to win.

2295
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 2: And when you deal with companies and corporations that are

2296
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 2: all thirsty to win, and they want to know what

2297
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 2: the X factor is. You bring in an X factor,

2298
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 2: big shot Bob.

2299
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:41,799
Speaker 1: They want to know, you know how, how the winning

2300
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:45,560
Speaker 1: attitude of win, the mentality winning mentality. And to me,

2301
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 1: there is something that can't be explained. Yeah, you score

2302
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: a lot of points, Yeah you did this, but did

2303
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 1: you win? What did you bring to the team other

2304
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: than your points? And did you bring the right attitude?

2305
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 1: Did you bring the right the right work ethic? Did

2306
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 1: you inspire others? Is another way? Did you know how

2307
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 1: to you know what was? What's what Michael Jordan's say,

2308
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:08,759
Speaker 1: take things personal and you know and turn that into dubbs.

2309
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:09,639
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about.

2310
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:13,639
Speaker 2: You know who won today games with names. For having

2311
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:17,560
Speaker 2: you on here once again, Big shot Bob, thanks for

2312
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 2: coming on.

2313
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 1: Man, my pleasure brother. Thank you inviting me anytime. Boy.

2314
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 2: I could have sat and talked to him for hours,

2315
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 2: Big Shot Bob, what a guy. Military time here early

2316
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 2: early tech stories.

2317
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 3: Take fleece On took his shoes off the minute he

2318
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 3: entered the house.

2319
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,840
Speaker 2: I respectful. I felt obligated to take my shoes off

2320
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 2: in my own house.

2321
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: I did too. Can I just bring the real quick?

2322
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:44,679
Speaker 1: Ten minutes before a shoot is not that early?

2323
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 2: How many athletes have you worked with? And how many

2324
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 2: athletes have ever been ten minutes early to.

2325
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 3: A t facts facts A man that played under Greg

2326
01:48:55,240 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 3: Popovich pop pop, military, fam Bama football Baby.

2327
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was so cool and it was cool to

2328
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 2: get his perspective from both Pop and Jackson and a

2329
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 2: lot of that pop stuff. Sound belichicky, Oh my god,

2330
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,320
Speaker 2: Like I know you got the Air Force with Poppy,

2331
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 2: got Navy with Bill, but like the brain and trust

2332
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 2: and just but instead of like the same time, my

2333
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:21,680
Speaker 2: comparison would be like see you know, we're at the

2334
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 2: trail mixed station at the fucking cafeteria.

2335
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 3: Bill was a trail mix guy.

2336
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,679
Speaker 2: He put his hands in it in the communal pot

2337
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 2: bro bro coach. What the fuck, dude, there's the Scoopers.

2338
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:37,679
Speaker 2: They literally have the Scoopers. I feel like we've talked

2339
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 2: about this before.

2340
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: I want to.

2341
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 3: I don't know that we have. Dude, imagine what if

2342
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 3: he did that like the Whole Foods. If he did

2343
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:43,479
Speaker 3: it the Whole.

2344
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 2: Foods afinitely does it at the Whole Foods.

2345
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 3: Scoopers, Bill Foods ain't no Billy the Whole Foods man.

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01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: That was That was a fun episode.

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01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,640
Speaker 2: And uh, I can't wait to see him just continue insurance, right,

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01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 2: it's awesome.

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01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a whole he got man, Yeah, I was.

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01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 3: He was blowing my mind. I went way over my head.

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01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna get together again.

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01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 3: We'll do it well, link up, Gotta get big shot

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01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 3: Bob on. We got quick little post show segment. I'm

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01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:13,200
Speaker 3: gonna put you through the gauntlet again. You're ready to

2355
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,719
Speaker 3: post show segment. It's only right that we talk clutch guys.

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01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 3: If we had Robert Ori on. So we're gonna go

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01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 3: through the world of Mount Clutch Moore. The best clutch

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01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 3: guys might be a couple of wrinkles in here. Heads up,

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01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,680
Speaker 3: and we're doing a little word association. First thing that

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01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 3: comes to mind when you hear these guys, and I

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01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 3: can't just be clutch man. I hate these I'm sorry.

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01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:34,800
Speaker 3: You'll be in the torture chamber. Baby, I'll put you

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01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 3: in the torture chamber.

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01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: You ready.

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01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:42,719
Speaker 3: There it is Michael Jordan Go, Tom Brady Go, Derek Cheeter, Clutch,

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01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:48,479
Speaker 3: David Ortiz, Boppy, Joe Montana, Smooth, James Harden, Euro Step Thing,

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01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,560
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods Masters, Adam Vinitierry.

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01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 1: Adam Vinitarry.

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01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 3: He's like Jack now Bobby or Fearless, Dan Marino, great Thrower,

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01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 3: Big Bob, Big Shot Bob, Jim Kelly, Kirk Gibson, Ola,

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01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 3: Brittany Chastain stud That's it, baby, You like how I

2372
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 3: threw those wrinkles in there? Of some some not so

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01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:11,599
Speaker 3: clutch guys.

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01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 1: Now who's not so clutch?

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01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 3: I mean Dan Marino, Jimmy Harden, Is he not Jim Kelly?

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01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 3: I mean they didn't win the Big Game, they don't

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01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 3: have the rep. I don't think he'd put their face

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01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:24,000
Speaker 3: up there on the mountain. But I mean they had

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01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 3: a hell of a careers made.

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01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's calling shots with it seems like

2381
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 2: mister Ross over there. I see him in the Hard Knocks.

2382
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 2: He's in the locker room every time, like it's like

2383
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:35,439
Speaker 2: Daddy Dan in there.

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01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, but I feel like the

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01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 3: I feel like you passed that with flying Colors. I

2386
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 3: did three goats in a row. I could have just said,

2387
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 3: go this is they were that worked for all three

2388
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:47,719
Speaker 3: of those. I thought you were gonna say gift basket

2389
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 3: for Jeter though.

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01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 1: That was That was a good one.

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01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:52,240
Speaker 3: That was a good one.

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01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 2: Well what an episode. Thanks again to Robert or Big

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01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 2: Shot Bob. That's been another episode of Games with Names

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01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 2: presented by when Bet.

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01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:04,240
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01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:09,679
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