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Speaker 4: I think this is our second Rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 5: About Sheryl Crowe, hmm, she in the Hall.

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Speaker 4: Of Fame possibly, but if she is, we did not

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Speaker 4: interview her until she got in, because I would think

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Speaker 5: A right twenty twenty three. Yeah, so I think we've

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Speaker 4: This is John Fogerty, which, by the way, Creden's clear

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Speaker 4: Water Revival one of my favorite bands ever. I did

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Speaker 4: I want to know, have you ever seen the rain?

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Speaker 4: It ain'ty it a'my, I ain't no fortunate song. Now

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Speaker 5: Oh, he wrote all these, but great one.

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Speaker 4: Come on around the ben, Jam, down on the corner,

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Speaker 4: I could keep going. They have so many freaking songs.

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Speaker 4: We just can't play music on this podcast because you're

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Speaker 4: sure everybody knows just how significant this is. Who stop

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Speaker 4: made a new record with the Suns. It's the Creden's

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Speaker 4: Clearwater Revival Years, which was just released. It's twenty classic tracks,

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Speaker 4: Let's give it a run here. He was born in Berkeley, California,

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Speaker 4: and he's playing at our iHeartRadio Music Festival, and you

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Speaker 4: Lead singer of Creden's Clearwater Revival, John Fogerty, John, it

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Speaker 4: is really good to see you. I'm sure you hear

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Speaker 1: The other way is the way it should happen. You

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Speaker 4: Whenever you take that song and you play it or

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say that it was. It was a

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Speaker 3: That was not unusual.

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Speaker 1: I had to do a cell just to make Creten's

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Speaker 4: Unusual when I think about some of the lyrics of

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Speaker 4: And were you whacked out of your mind when writing

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Speaker 1: growing up, I've always wanted to write a song that

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Speaker 1: feels like what that book was. So and I knew

437
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Speaker 1: even at the time when I was making the song

438
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Speaker 1: and then going to put out the record.

439
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Speaker 3: Yep, when I talk about the creatures danced.

440
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: In the lawn on the lawn, I changed it from grass.

441
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: If I say dancing on the grass, Oh yeah, I see,

442
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: that's shit. So I had left another line in there

443
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: that I was troubling to me, but it didn't mean

444
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Speaker 1: anything about drugs. It said and the flying spoon, right,

445
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: and it was sure some people. I didn't know enough

446
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: about drugs anyway to know how a spoon was connected,

447
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: but I kind of had a inkling that it was.

448
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: I just pictured this great, big, gigantic thing that looked

449
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: like a spoon with big old eagles wings or whatever,

450
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: just you know, the way imagery and some of the

451
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: beetle things like Yellow Submarine or whatever much later would

452
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: fantasizes about that. And I wanted you to see that

453
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Speaker 1: in your mind.

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Speaker 4: See you purposefully, and it makes sense. Took grass and

455
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 4: turned it into lawn. You look at all the happy

456
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 4: people dancing on the lawn. Yeah, because you didn't want that.

457
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

458
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 5: And I knew nothing about drugs. Still really don't know

459
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 5: aything about drugs.

460
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Speaker 4: But I always thought, man, there's some crazy stuff happened

461
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 4: in the song. But it makes sense if it's written

462
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 4: for children. Yes, And my assumption would be people your

463
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 4: whole career. Thought that song was written about the seventies,

464
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 4: just in general, the sixties or seventies.

465
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Speaker 1: Well, I remember once being backstage at the film More

466
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: and certainly By your country was out Born on the

467
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: By you and it might have been even after Green River.

468
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: But a young guy comes up to me, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: and he just got that we were all hippies. Don't

470
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I do not separate myself from the crowd,

471
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: because certainly my mindset was very much the same sort

472
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Speaker 1: of free and you know, there's a lot of hope,

473
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: hopeful for the future. And he comes up to me, John,

474
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: you must the phrase is almost what you've just been

475
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: stoned out of your mind. Tell me when you were

476
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: born on the By, you were just stone and just

477
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 1: up there on it, you know. And I smiled, and

478
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to humor the guy, but it kind of

479
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: ticked me off because it's not that I was anti drug.

480
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: It was the.

481
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Speaker 1: Idea of I didn't want to be so irresponsible when

482
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Speaker 1: I was writing because I thought that I was more

483
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: serious about it. I guess, right, And so what he was.

484
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: Saying to me was.

485
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: I guess what he was doing was saying, if I'm

486
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: my teacher, Tad, well you have no talent, but you

487
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: got stoned and then you wrote that song, and so

488
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: you couldn't have possibly done that if you were just

489
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: sitting there normally. Right, As you well know, the muse,

490
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: the place you go to be creative, is really elusive.

491
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: I mean, we could.

492
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: Talk all day about that, but I mean, and I'm

493
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: scared of it and very appreciative of it, a little

494
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: wary of it because it doesn't always come around. I

495
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: mean sometimes it's not around for years.

496
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: You know.

497
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: It's a very mysterious, fragile thing. So being able to

498
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: get yourself to go there, as you just said, what

499
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: looking out my back door is like to be able

500
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: to picture those things at the time. For me, in

501
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: other words, it made total sense right or is right now.

502
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: I probably couldn't walk out your front door and sit

503
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: down and be in that sort of elusive, flimsy kind

504
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: of mood. But at the time I got myself there.

505
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask you two more song questions, and one

506
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 4: of them is about Fortunate Son, because you talked about

507
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 4: getting your discharge papers and that is what created Proud Mary,

508
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 4: like that feeling with Fortunate Son. How long after that

509
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: did you write that song, because that's what I think

510
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 4: about when I think about you being discharged and the

511
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: message of the song, Like, how long until then?

512
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: That was probably about a year of just about a year,

513
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: maybe a year and a month, thirteen months something like that.

514
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: So from sometime in the middle in the summer of

515
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: sixty eight for Proud Mary to late summer in sixty

516
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: nine for Fortunate Son.

517
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 5: Did you ever get on like a hot streak?

518
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: Because like I know Dolly a little bit, and she'll

519
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 4: talk about man, I wrote these two songs in this day.

520
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: I wrote another song later that week, and I did

521
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: this song, and she has like three weeks of writing

522
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: like five of her most massive songs. Did you ever

523
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 4: have a time period where they just fell out of you?

524
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: Well, I think that whole period of time as they

525
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: were happening that way. I was working really hard at it.

526
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: I mean, don't.

527
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: In other words, I was what's the word, setting myself

528
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: up for success.

529
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: I would stay up late.

530
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: In other words, I knew my for my band to

531
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: have success, I needed more songs. I also knew that

532
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: it was up to me, and so I would, you know,

533
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: have dinner and then go to my little room and

534
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: stay there, trink a lot of coffee, smoke a lot

535
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: of cigarettes in those days, and stay up till maybe

536
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: four am writing songs.

537
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: And so the idea that.

538
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: One day I'm riding my motorcycle and I think about

539
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: up around the bind, just from the feeling of when

540
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: you're riding a motorcycle that feels so free, and of

541
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: course in those days, we didn't wear helmets and all that,

542
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: and it was just.

543
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: Almost like riding a wild horse, you know.

544
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: The phrase up around the bind came to me, and

545
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: I thought about it for a couple of days, and

546
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: within a week I'd written a song fortunate Son. Now

547
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: that you've talked about that, that was actually the quickest

548
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: song I ever wrote. Wow, all that stuff was in

549
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: my head and I had begun to show the band

550
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: the music for this I wanted. Basically, I wanted an

551
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: unstoppable streaming rocker for my band, you know, one of

552
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: those We'd had some kind of middle tempo things like

553
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: Proud Mary and Low Dye, and you know, I wanted

554
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: something that was just streaming, an edgy and like that.

555
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: So I started showing the band the groove and the

556
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: chords to a song, and eventually I realized, I'm writing.

557
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to write a song called Favorite Son.

558
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: And I knew the song was political. I had grown

559
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: up watching believe it or not, even as an eight

560
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: year old or something, I was kind of interested in

561
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: the national conventions for political parties. They would be on

562
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: television a lot of times in the daytime. In those days,

563
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: black and white, you'd see a lot of really old men,

564
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, seeing different stuff. You know, you're a kid,

565
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: you don't really know what it's all about. But so

566
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: often somebody would stand up, oh, you're sir, the great

567
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: State of Texas would like to nominate her favorite son

568
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: Billy soul estes, you know, and they always use that

569
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: phrase favorite son, and so that's stuck in my mind.

570
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: I actually wrote it in my little book. So as

571
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm teaching my band this song and the chords for

572
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: what became fortunate son. I realized we're getting pretty tight.

573
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: When I knew something was a single, we rehearsed it

574
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: for like six weeks, just rehearsed and rehearse and rehearse.

575
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: You know, I figured, it's me against the whole world,

576
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to get up there with the Beatles,

577
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: trying to make a great single.

578
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: Right, it will go on our radio.

579
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I had no illusions about me or

580
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: anybody else in the band being this great musicians that

581
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: can just pick everything and all that. To me, the

582
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: whole idea was if you practice enough, rehearse enough, you've

583
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: got every move in your subconscious. It just it just

584
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: comes out of it. And that's what would happen. We'd

585
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: go in the studio after six weeks and just turn

586
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: on the red light record. Within about three takes, got it.

587
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: That's the best we ever played that, right, And I

588
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: knew that time was fast approaching. One night I went

589
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: into my bedroom and say, all right, you got to

590
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: write favorite son. I sat down on the edge without anything,

591
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: no melody, no chorus lines, nothing, and suddenly this idea about.

592
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: So folks are born made the way that you know.

593
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: I like that.

594
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: I finished that first verse and I realized, some folks

595
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: are born. Wow, I can start the second verse that

596
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, what's kind of this this mantra or whatever,

597
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: And it ain't me. You know, it just happened right there,

598
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: And wouldn't you know it, I changed favorite Son into

599
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: the fortunate son because it ain't me. I walked out

600
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: of that bedroom with a finished song in twenty minutes.

601
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I just you know, I mean, I'm marveled at that.

602
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: Now.

603
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that more often.

604
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: Of course, did you feel the way about Fortunate Son

605
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: that you did about Prodmary, where you knew like this

606
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 4: is something?

607
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, The reason I knew because I knew I

608
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: could sing the heck out of it, and it was

609
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: saying everything that was in my mind. You know, I'd

610
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: obviously been thinking all those thoughts about about the military,

611
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: about the war in Vietnam, about the unfairness of people,

612
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, some senators, rich people getting their kids out

613
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: of the draft.

614
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: It was all in my mind.

615
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: And it it came out of me, and was I

616
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: knew it was said, Well, I could just tell it

617
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: this was going to be a lot of fun to play.

618
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 4: Was there any thought of social repercussion, meaning some people

619
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: wouldn't like it and that was gonna be difficult for you?

620
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: If I thought about that at all, I think I

621
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: figured the people that wouldn't like it was probably President Nixon.

622
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: You know, that was okay with me. I was trying

623
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: to send a message and people and people that would

624
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: follow what President and that Nixon would say. In other words,

625
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: it really was kind of a what's the word cultural

626
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: war between young people, mostly under thirty, who were very

627
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: much against the war because there was a draft and

628
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: so you were tapped if you were drafted like I was,

629
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: to go fight in a war you really didn't believe in,

630
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: and that no one had actually explained to the American

631
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: people why we got to do this. And so you

632
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: found that the young people were on one side and

633
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: the other side was mostly older people that believed their icons,

634
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: meaning the president of course, and people like John Wayne

635
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: or Bob Hope and all that. They seemed that just

636
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, they'd been in another war years before, probably

637
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: before I was born, and they just sort of went

638
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: along with stuff like that. In fact, I remember one

639
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: of my idols actually I remember tex Ritter had been

640
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: on one of those high jacked airplanes in the sixties,

641
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: so he was in the news again. But at one

642
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: point he said, those young people, if they would just

643
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: stop marching, stop that marching. You know, he was clearly

644
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: on the other side of the fence about those things.

645
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: Some now, something I'd really like to state because I

646
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: was drafted, and I did serve in the Army Reserves

647
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: and was on active duty, and every day, excuse me,

648
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: during my three years of military service, there was the

649
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: specter of, you know, at any time, my unit could

650
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: be activated and there we go. We're often to Vietnam.

651
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: So can I say I had very much mixed emotions

652
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: because I was against the war, but yet I'd been

653
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: through that experience and there was some important stuff I

654
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: had really learned, just you know, without even thinking about it.

655
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: After I was out of the military and then my

656
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: career started to take off with credence, there would be

657
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: all kinds of situations where I'm in a group of

658
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: people who are saying like minded that were quote unquote

659
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: hippie and against the war and all that sort of thing,

660
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: and some would be sometimes we'd be confronted with there'd

661
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: be some army guys over there, because we're going through

662
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: airports all the time, and so was the military, right,

663
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: And somebody'd say something mean about, you know, at the

664
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: army over there and all that sort of stuff, and

665
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: i'd have to I'm going to sound a little bit

666
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: like a preacher or something. But I realized I was old,

667
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: I was an old soul or whatever I had evolved,

668
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: and i'd stop them from saying, listen, look over there

669
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: at those people that you know, they're all in uniform

670
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: and fatigues, you know, going through and they're staying together

671
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: because they're kind of being shunned by everybody else. Now

672
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: take a good look over there. That guy is nineteen

673
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: years old. He's your age. He likes all the same

674
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: music you like. He likes all the same cultural stuff

675
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: like girls, guitars, cars, you know, all that kind of stuff,

676
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: and he hates the freaking war. But he got drafted

677
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: unlike you, so he has to go do that. And

678
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I said that to people,

679
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: which you know, I was still against the war. That

680
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: was my liberal position, I suppose, but I had that

681
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: insight about, yeah, but don't yell at those guys, they're

682
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: not making the war.

683
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 3: You know.

684
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: It's the powerful people that declare the war, and then

685
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: the poor people got to go wage.

686
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: The war, which was a bit of unfortunate. Son was reflecting, yep,

687
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 4: which was exactly that.

688
00:38:52,800 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 7: It The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is

689
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 7: the Bobby Cast.

690
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: I was in Paris and I saw a signas that

691
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: you were playing in Paris. You're playing everywhere right now,

692
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: all over the world.

693
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: There you go, rocking all over the world.

694
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

695
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: Still, well it's fun. Sure, it's actually more fun now

696
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: than ever. Why is that because I'm with my family,

697
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: because because all this music I'm making now is from

698
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: a place of joy and love, and you know, it's

699
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: it's very hard to describe, but it's like going on

700
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: a great vacation every day.

701
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: Was there a time and I'm sure that it ebbed

702
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 4: and flowed where you fell in love with music, You

703
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: kind of probably got burnt out, maybe falling out of

704
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 4: love with music, and then you fell back in love again.

705
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 5: Is that would that be consistent with your career?

706
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: The words are right, but I didn't. I didn't fall

707
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: out of love with music. I just got to a

708
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: place where I was so hurt about things that there

709
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: would be pain involved, you know. I mean Julie tells

710
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: me about the times when we first were together, something

711
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: would be on the radio and all that and I would,

712
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, turn it off. That's you probably didn't want

713
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: to hear all that.

714
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: I've read your book, so like, like I know all

715
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 4: the stories and you know so it to me, it's like,

716
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: you know, what are I don't know what you want

717
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: to talk about today? Like what kind of I guess

718
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 4: some days I'm in the mood to talk about it all.

719
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: Some days I'm not.

720
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

721
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: So I mean as when you first start, when you

722
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: were a kid, as I've said a couple of times,

723
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: music captured me.

724
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: I mean I really had no vote.

725
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: I think I think it just happened, and I went

726
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: through the whole process of being young and discovering. And

727
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, my mom shared her likes early with me.

728
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: So that's how I heard about Stephen Foster, that Stephen

729
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: Foster was a songwriter, and that just mystified me. Oh,

730
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, Stephen Foster wrote Oh Susannah, Wow. And then

731
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, getting to where I thought, wow, maybe I

732
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: like to try music, you know, And I heard an

733
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley record called My Baby Left Me and the Guitar,

734
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: and it was so.

735
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: Dramatic.

736
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: I guess is the word, and Elvis is singing, you know,

737
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: in a bluesy style. But I mean, I knew who

738
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: Elvis was. He was all over the TV and radio

739
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: at the time, but I didn't know this song, so

740
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: I therefore didn't know.

741
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: Who it was.

742
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: It was on a jukebox in a little country store,

743
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: and when I discovered what it was, I just liked

744
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: it so much. I looked at the record going around.

745
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know what they're doing there, but

746
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do.

747
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: And I made up my mind right there.

748
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: The first song that I ever learned to play fully

749
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 4: and played publicly at a school event was Down on

750
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 4: the Corner.

751
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 5: Guys, you're talking about that.

752
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: The first song I ever played all the way through

753
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: and played publicly was that was Down on the Corner.

754
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: Wow.

755
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: Because I could actually play the down down, down't down.

756
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: I could play that, and then I could go FCG.

757
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: You know, I felt like that was a And yeah,

758
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 4: you were telling that. I wasn't really planning to share that.

759
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: But when you're talking about the first song that you

760
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: ever played in my music careers, all in comedy. That

761
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 4: was my first ever song was Down on the Corner.

762
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: It's a lot more complicated than the one I learned.

763
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: I think maybe you were a bit more complicated of

764
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: a writer, but I was pretty proud of myself for

765
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: playing that one. When you talk about Sun Records, I

766
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: think sonically of those those songs and how they were

767
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: made and how approachable they were, which is how you

768
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: describe them. I feel like a lot of your famous sound,

769
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 4: like the Bayou sound, was very approachable sonically. Do you

770
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 4: feel like that is what you know influenced your It

771
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 4: sounded like a dick Southern sound.

772
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.

773
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: Because I think a lot of people assumed you guys

774
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 4: were from Louisiana.

775
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: Because I've heard people from Louisiana. Actually we didn't know

776
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: if you were over by Thibodeaux or you.

777
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, yeah, And that to me is the conclusion

778
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: that I draw by hearing how influenced you were by

779
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: Sun Records, is that your music with CCR in the

780
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: early days, when people thought you were this Louisiana band

781
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 4: creating this Byou sound, seemed very approachable in the same

782
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: way that you felt that was and I think it's

783
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 4: probably because of that. Maybe you were influenced by that

784
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: sound when you were making music.

785
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: Bobby.

786
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: The truth is that wonderful place that I go to

787
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: and I sometimes call it Sun Records, but you know,

788
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of the swamp thing or buy you whatever.

789
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: I feel most comfortable there. I actually feel like that's

790
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: my own element or my own personality or something like that.

791
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: And you know which probably me trying to be in

792
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: the band with Carl Perkins something like. I've actually used

793
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: that as said, that would have been in my life

794
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: stream to be standing back there playing rhythm guitar while

795
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 1: Carl's doing his thing, and I could just be part

796
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: of that groove.

797
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: So I mean, along with that.

798
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: There's you know, you could get a college professor in

799
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: here to take all the music apart and talk about

800
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: all the things, one of the big things being to me,

801
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: it was simple instrumentation. There wasn't twenty five instruments or

802
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: one synthesizer playing twenty five parts or something. It was

803
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: three guys maybe playing and therefore they had to work

804
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: their butt off to make that work. And that's a

805
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: huge part of what I always try to make clear.

806
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: I guess I tried to express it, and some people

807
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: can understand it, mostly musicians. I'll use a sun to

808
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: be the example and then maybe talk about myself. But

809
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: for instance, Blue Suede Shoes. You know that that song

810
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: was such a hit in the day and all that

811
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: you tend to almost not hear it anymore because it

812
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: just comes at you.

813
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: But when you actually just put the record.

814
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: Down or the you know, the arm down and play

815
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: the record and listen the groove on, it is so unstoppable.

816
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just.

817
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: And all of those four records I quoted about Carl

818
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: had that that there was a lot of air between

819
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: the instruments and between even what they struck. You know,

820
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: there was a big hole between the downbeat and the

821
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: back feet. I don't know. I was very aware of that.

822
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: I didn't try to cover it up by making noise

823
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: all over it. I wanted to learn, well, how is

824
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: he doing that? Because and it's it's feel, of course,

825
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about, And you really can't put

826
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: that on the sheet music.

827
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: It's it's just a way of doing.

828
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 4: I've also felt like it's confidence too, to even a conversation.

829
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: But if you have the confidence to be quiet that

830
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: can be very powerful, And.

831
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: To Lincoln said that, yeah.

832
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 4: And when you talk about the music, especially the music

833
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 4: they made it Sun Records, And even when you guys

834
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: are playing as a band, like there's confidence in pregnant

835
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 4: pauses or a single guitar playing a lick.

836
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: And I think that you guys did that.

837
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 4: You did that very well obviously, But now I kind

838
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 4: of know and the reasoning that you did that, Like

839
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 4: who you were influenced by the most? Were you a

840
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: kid that practiced all the time, Like did you go

841
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 4: int your room and just practice for hours?

842
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: Yes, But I have to say the difference between then

843
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: and now, I thought I was practicing a lot, but

844
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: kind of well, Number one, I had no teacher. I

845
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: was kind of making up stuff other than those folk

846
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: music lessons that my mom had shared with me, and

847
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: those were mostly about learning some cords and then singing

848
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: down in the Valley or Careless Love or something like that.

849
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: And not Tom Dooley, because the whole folk music crowd

850
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: was very very I call him the folk music Police,

851
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: the Kingston Trio and Tom Dooley which popularized the whole movement.

852
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: For some reason, the so called legit people were very

853
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: suspicious of all.

854
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: That because it was commercial. I didn't care.

855
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: I was a kid.

856
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: I loved it.

857
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, that that that I didn't progress very

858
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: quickly with the way I practiced, where I still practice

859
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: now a whole lot, but I'm much more aggressive and

860
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: trying to learn new stuff.

861
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 4: So you create a band in high school, Like, that's

862
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 4: the first time that you got guys together to actually play.

863
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 4: It was junior high, eighth grade, and so what was

864
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 4: the intent just playing like for each other? Or were

865
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 4: you like, were our dream is to go out and

866
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 4: play and make a little money at the you know,

867
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: the dance, Like, what was the dream in eighth grade?

868
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: That was exactly it? Yeah, oh well I was going places. Hey,

869
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: come on. It all started that I had a music

870
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: teacher in junior high, both seventh and eighth grade, Missus Stark,

871
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: and she was wonderful. Anyway, She'd let me come in

872
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: right after school, you know, three ten or whatever and

873
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: sit at the piano and play. So I started doing

874
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: that and after a day or two, kids were gathering around.

875
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: That's eventually how I met the two guys, Doug and

876
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: ste that were in Creden's. They just happened to be

877
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: part of that crowd of people when they Doug said, well,

878
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: I played drums, maybe you can come over to my house.

879
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: Well I got to his house and he had a

880
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: snare drum that he put on a flower pot stand,

881
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: and I believe he might have had a high hat,

882
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: but it was made in metal, wasn't a store bought thing,

883
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: which is kind of what the level we were all

884
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: at in those days.

885
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 5: And so where did you play?

886
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: Well, after we met the piano players do by the

887
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: end of that year, we were already I had named

888
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: us the Blue Velvets and we played a sock hop

889
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: at in the gym at the junior high. As we

890
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: got into high school age, we played. We began to

891
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: play for some parties and things that kids would have,

892
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: so we you know, it was kind of my job

893
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: to make it kind of started on day one, you

894
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: know now that I think about it. I became the

895
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: musical director. So I was the guy coming up with

896
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: what are we going to play? Well, what's the function? Well,

897
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: it's a party or kids want to dance. They want

898
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: to dance fast, they want to dance slow. So you

899
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: got to have those kind of songs, meaning you're playing

900
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: hits on off the radio, top forty band.

901
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: In other words, I.

902
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 4: Read in your book that you were talking about how

903
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: you were obviously the musical director, but you had to

904
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 4: kind of lay the law down, like we're gonna practice,

905
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 4: We're not gonna drink, We're not gonna we're gonna, we're

906
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: gonna I mean, so you.

907
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 5: Were the police as well as the musical leader. Did

908
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 5: you feel that.

909
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: There were Yeah, at various times in our career over

910
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: the years. Actually, because I was pretty serious about getting

911
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: better and being able to play the music, you know,

912
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: there were certainly times we at some point, I think

913
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: it was either our senior year of high school or

914
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: the year after, we were playing a lot of frat

915
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: parties up in Berkeley, right for the UC campus and

916
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: various other colleges that might have been close frat parties,

917
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: a lot of drinking, a lot of beer, a lout

918
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: of that, which included the band. So those times weren't

919
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: all that serious. But the funny thing was ahead of

920
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: the frat would always come to us, Come to me, really, Oh,

921
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: you guys, I want a bunch of slow songs because

922
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: we're trying to hustle the chicks, you know, blah blah blah. Okay, sir,

923
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: and we might play like one song like Sleepwalk, but

924
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: then Louie Louie and wipe Out and all the rest

925
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: happened and everybody was really happy. So you know, whatever

926
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: those designs he had, it went out the window.

927
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 6: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Wow,

928
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 6: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

929
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 5: Was it fun to remake this record?

930
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 4: Because you did Legacy the creative clut Water Revival years

931
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 4: and I was looking at the track list and I

932
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 4: think I would either be super pumped to do all

933
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 4: these great songs or maybe I've played them ten thousand

934
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,240
Speaker 4: times and I'm like.

935
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 5: I don't know, do I need to play it again?

936
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 5: Was it exciting for you to do them again?

937
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: Totally? Completely?

938
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: I'll look at this, I got it right here. Look

939
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 4: at this guy. What would you tell this guy right here?

940
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 4: If you could talk to him, what would you tell

941
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: How old are you in this picture?

942
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm about twenty three, I want to say, maybe twenty four.

943
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: What would you tell him?

944
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: I would tell him it's all going to be all right.

945
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: You have no way of understanding how it's all going

946
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: to work out. But it's going to And this is

947
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: something I absolutely believe when you get to.

948
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: Where I am, you wouldn't.

949
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade places with that guy even for one day, really,

950
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: because I am completely happy and joyful in my life now,

951
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: and that fella was kind of unhappy. He was kind

952
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: of besiized with a lot of different forces that were

953
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: making him not happy. But that is exactly what I

954
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: would say to him.

955
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 5: And what about these songs?

956
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: You asked me?

957
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 4: How I did cut off my own question because I thought,

958
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: what a great picture, like, that's a that's a strapping

959
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 4: fella right there.

960
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 5: That's a good looking dude.

961
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: I always said that he looks a little I don't know,

962
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: he's he's there's a lot of energy coming out of him.

963
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: You can't can't quite contain it, all right.

964
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know I think God, he couldn't because

965
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 5: he created some great art.

966
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: Well that's it's because of that. Yeah, it's because of that.

967
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: Making this record was an absolute joy. You know, I'm

968
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: probably going into it. I had some trepidations. Some people

969
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: from the outside would say, well, wasn't it daunting to

970
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: try and live up to these things that are you know,

971
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: so they're so exalted, and they've.

972
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: Been around all those years.

973
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: Everybody has their you know, they're they've already they already

974
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: know it all.

975
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 3: He might say.

976
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: Of course, all those things were there, and that's why

977
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: maybe I had some trepidation. I went into this though.

978
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: It was certainly at the urging of my beautiful wife Julie,

979
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: who is the manifestor of the universe. I mean, she

980
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: really has, in a very helpful way, moved elements that

981
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: other people would say were immovable. My son Shane and

982
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: I co produced the record together. I worked on the record,

983
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: created the record with my sons Tyler and Shane supplying

984
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: background vocals and guitars and instruments and you know, all

985
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: the and all the parts that were necessary. And because

986
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: I did it that way, because it was so joyful,

987
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: I get. I feel this happened to me. I feel

988
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: that the spirit God allowed me to go on a

989
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: journey that I had no idea about the truth something

990
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: that And as I've thought about it since the record's done,

991
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many people get to.

992
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: Go through this process. I'm going to describe.

993
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: At the beginning of getting the record made, a small

994
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: group of just a bass player drummer and guitar player.

995
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: Being Shane recorded basic tracks, very basic, bare bones tracks

996
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: of the songs. At the time, it was most of them,

997
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: but we got some more done later. But anyway, and

998
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: when I learned that they proceeded that far, I went

999
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: in to do vocals. Seemed to be my next step.

1000
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: And I know that first day I walked in and saying,

1001
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: Proud Mary, there she is again, you know. And I

1002
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: probably did maybe three four songs that day, but on

1003
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: each song I would do probably four takes, maybe five.

1004
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: What you're doing is you're going to take the best

1005
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: part of each take and compile or comp a one,

1006
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, really strong track, a vocal track. So I

1007
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: had done that that first day, and the first song

1008
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: was Proud Mary. And then we continued Shane and Tyler

1009
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: and I producing the record, meaning filling in the parts

1010
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: of all the songs and getting the thing to really shine,

1011
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, listening to the originals. And in many cases

1012
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: I had to relearn. Sometimes Shane was the one that Dad,

1013
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: you're not playing that right, you know, learning how to

1014
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: how to play a guitar part, or in one case

1015
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: with up around the bind that Shane, you're not wiggling

1016
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: that thing up there. Look, take this guitar home over

1017
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: the weekend and I'll see you monday. I gave him

1018
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: some homework. He came back and ripped an incredible version

1019
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: of up around the Bench. Okay, So anyway, we got

1020
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: pretty far along in the making of the record. And

1021
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: now I went back and I listened to Proud Mary,

1022
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: all complete with all the parts, and there's my vocal

1023
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: I had done many many months before, thinking I was

1024
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: pretty hot stuff. You know, walked in been singing Proud

1025
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: Mary for fifty years. Anyhow, I mean this, this is

1026
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: the little bubble that was in my head. I listened,

1027
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, and I got Shanon Tyler, and I think

1028
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: Julie was sitting there and I listened, and I mean,

1029
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: the track is stunning, It's just great. And the background

1030
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: vocals of rolling rolling on the river's great. I'm hearing

1031
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: this guy singing and I'm underwhelmed, right, and I'm but then,

1032
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's a little bit of that. I mean,

1033
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: you you want to move along, like tapping you on

1034
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: the shoulder.

1035
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: How long are you gonna be here?

1036
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 5: You know?

1037
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: And I'm listening, and so then the bubble in my

1038
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: head is I'm gonna turn around and I'm gonna roll

1039
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: up myself. All right, somebody tell me that's not great.

1040
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 5: Huh.

1041
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna just impose my will and it'll

1042
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: be declared finished. But I actually didn't feel that way.

1043
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: There was something wrong with it. And as I listened,

1044
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, I played again. As I listened, I realized

1045
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: back in the day when I sang Proud Mary, I

1046
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: didn't have anything. There was no big, long career with

1047
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: a lot of success and you know, a nice house

1048
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: and car and all that. It was basically coming from nothing.

1049
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: I hadn't experienced success yet. I'm singing Proud Mary and

1050
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: it's life and death. And I've used that phrase way

1051
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: back in the day. And I said, John, that track

1052
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: up there is not life and death. You've got to

1053
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: sing it like it's life and death. And the experience

1054
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: is this gift I was given that I got to

1055
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: go on, was okay, how do you do that? I

1056
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: guess I have to adjust my mind or my soul

1057
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's kind of like hypnosis or what's that

1058
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: other word they use.

1059
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 5: X X.

1060
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1061
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: There was a bunch of movements in the seventies about

1062
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: exists like, yeah, yeah, I get it, figuring yeah, out right,

1063
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: and I've placed myself in that feeling like you've got nothing.

1064
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: Everything depends on it.

1065
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: And the more I thought about it, everything did depend

1066
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: on it, because everybody's going to say, well, you have

1067
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: this record over here, you know, all these records you made,

1068
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: why would you do this now? And I realized it's

1069
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: got to be it's got to be convincing, and that

1070
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: it was kind of the same situation again. And so

1071
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 1: by placing myself in that mindset and then going out,

1072
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, and of course you go out, you sing,

1073
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: you come back and you listen, you nah, go out again,

1074
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, And it became a process of finally getting

1075
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: to a place where I believed it. I actually okay,

1076
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: all right, and you know, it passed my own muster,

1077
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: meaning I believe it now. I don't know what to

1078
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: call that, because it was fine before, it just wasn't convincing. Later,

1079
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: long long after the record was finished and you know,

1080
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: ready to come out, Julie told me she could see

1081
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: that on my face, what I was doing, and she

1082
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: understood that.

1083
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 5: Yes.

1084
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: Sorry, sometimes when I talk about Julie, I get emotional.

1085
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: That's who we are to each other. By the way,

1086
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: there's an instant just support and I guess knowledge of

1087
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: the other person's it's unconditional love. And she's always that

1088
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Speaker 1: person that's there. Anyhow, she told me later, did she

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Speaker 1: she understood, She realized what I was doing and she

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Speaker 1: felt it.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it was working. So there you were.

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Speaker 1: So and that's what I went through for all the

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Speaker 1: rest of this song.

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Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate you sharing that story. That's a great story.

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Speaker 4: The Credence Clear what Revival Years, which it came out

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Speaker 4: about a month ago, and you're playing a lot of shows.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, I saw you.

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Speaker 4: I was in Europe and I saw posters for you

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01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 4: playing all over Europe, and I really wanted one of

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01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 4: the dates to match up. And my old manager left

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01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 4: me to go run your record label.

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Speaker 5: And I was like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he left me to go to you and my goodness,

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Speaker 4: and his name's Tom Betchy, and I was like, hey,

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Speaker 4: Tom Betchy, you have John Fogerty. I would love to

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Speaker 4: meet him just for a minute. And so now you're here,

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Speaker 4: and this has been like a really great hour for me.

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Speaker 4: I hope everybody checks out the album, but I just

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01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 4: really appreciate the time because you've been a favorite of

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Speaker 4: mine since I was nine years old. And not only that,

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 4: you were a reason that me I don't have a

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Speaker 4: dad growing up, You're a reason that me and my

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 4: stepdad were able to bond oh cool because he was

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Speaker 4: a massive fan and that's why I took interest was

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Speaker 4: because of him. And so every song, I can name

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Speaker 4: every song within like two notes because it's what we

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01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 4: did is we listened to a lot of credence.

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Speaker 5: So this means a lot to me for a lot

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Speaker 5: of reasons. So I really.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate the time that you dedicated to come over and

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Speaker 4: do this, and I hope the record does what you.

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Speaker 5: Wanted to do.

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Speaker 4: You don't need the money anymore, but I hope you

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Speaker 4: got the you know, the fulfillment out of making it

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Speaker 4: and your two sons, and I hope that it became

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Speaker 4: what you wanted it to be.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely it was a joy to make. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's a sense of feeling of joy when you listen

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Speaker 1: to it. I think that's part of the experience of

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Speaker 1: playing this record, this album. I think what happens is

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01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 1: then then and they say it people they I think

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Speaker 1: they can sense that that word I used before. It

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Speaker 1: had to be convincing. I think that happens when the

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Speaker 1: listener listens as well. Well, I'm sincere about this.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time and this has really been

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Speaker 4: an awesome and go check out John and he's playing

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Speaker 4: iHeartRadio Music Festival as well. Can't wait for that. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna be in Vegas for that show. I don't even

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Speaker 4: know if you know what shows you up coming up.

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Speaker 4: You're just all over the place, so yeah, I'm really

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Speaker 4: looking forward to seeing you liven there.

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Speaker 5: He is the great John Fogarty.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.