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Speaker 1: A lot of things to talk about, so many things
Speaker 1: have happened in the last twenty four hours. Come on
Speaker 1: in stay a while. Mike Florio will join us on
Speaker 1: loan from Pro Football Talk. Also the new Raiders head
Speaker 1: coach Josh McDaniels a little bit later on as well. Dolphins, Jags, Saints, Texans,
Speaker 1: Vikings all coachless, although Vikings may find their guy today.
Speaker 1: Jim Harball is going to interview in Minnesota today. I
Speaker 1: don't think Jim's getting on a plane going to Minnesota
Speaker 1: unless Jim thinks he's going to be the next head
Speaker 1: coach of the Vikings. More on that coming up. Eight
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Speaker 1: up in about forty five minutes from now. Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: are for sale. The Washington football team will be officially
Speaker 1: introduced as the Commanders. Coming up later today to dun
Speaker 1: deal the Commanders. Pauli's looking on their website looking for
Speaker 1: gear Commanders. I'm okay with the nickname. I still like
Speaker 1: the Washington football team, but Commanders, all right, great, knock
Speaker 1: yourself out. I'm not big on the new uniforms, but
Speaker 1: I do like the nickname. I'm fine with that. That's
Speaker 1: you know whatever, Fritzie, you'll have the poll question Player
Speaker 1: the day, stat of the day, all of that forthcoming.
Speaker 1: The big news was Miami Dolphins, the former head coach
Speaker 1: Brian Flores filing a class action lawsuit against the NFL
Speaker 1: and the Denver Broncos and the New York Giants and
Speaker 1: his former team, the Dolphins, and this kind it came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere when you think about it, I go
Speaker 1: back to a couple of weeks ago, and I think
Speaker 1: it was around nine forty Eastern time, and I didn't
Speaker 1: think that Brian flores job was in jeopardy. And then
Speaker 1: he got fired. Other guys were being fired. Brian Flores
Speaker 1: at one point one seven games in a row for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and I'm thinking Brian Flores is out in Miami.
Speaker 1: Then maybe Stephen Ross is going to bring in Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Brian Flores is going
Speaker 1: to get all these interviews. Everybody wants to wind up
Speaker 1: for Brian Flores. He's going to be the hot ticket Giants,
Speaker 1: the Bears, and then nothing happened, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're on, wait a minute, is Brian Flores
Speaker 1: going to get a job here? Well, Bear has hired
Speaker 1: their guy. He's not going to get the job in Denver.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to interview for the Giants. Well, then that's
Speaker 1: when things went sideways. Now, the Giants were going to
Speaker 1: interview him, but apparently they had already hired their head coach,
Speaker 1: Brian Dable. It was the Rooney rule. He didn't know
Speaker 1: it until Bill Belichick, his former coach with UH, he
Speaker 1: was on his staff there with New England. His former
Speaker 1: boss texted him and he texted the wrong Brian, this
Speaker 1: is UH. Brian Flores on his text with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: I interviewed for the Giants position. I was set to
Speaker 1: interview on Thursday, the monday prior before before I interviewed
Speaker 1: I received the text message from Bill Belichick saying congratulations
Speaker 1: on the Giants space, essentially the congratulations on the Giants job.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of back and forth and
Speaker 1: some confusion because yeah, you haven't sat down with the
Speaker 1: Giants yet, have not sat down with the Giants or
Speaker 1: some back and forth, and I just uh, I asked him,
Speaker 1: you talked to the right Brian, and as you you've
Speaker 1: seen them through the text messages, he was actually I
Speaker 1: thought he was texting Brian Dable, who they ended up hiring. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: And then the Giants said, look, we hired the more
Speaker 1: qualified guy. No, you didn't. Brian Flores has been a
Speaker 1: successful NFL coach for two years. Brian Dable won seven games.
Speaker 1: He had ownership that reportedly wanted him to tank games.
Speaker 1: To me, that's the more qualified candidate. He's been a coach.
Speaker 1: He was winning games in an organization that didn't want
Speaker 1: him to win games. That's how much he cared about winning.
Speaker 1: So you can't say Brian Dable is more qualified than
Speaker 1: Brian Flores. And then after he found out it was
Speaker 1: a fake interview, I think that's when he decided, look,
Speaker 1: I've had enough and I talked to a source this
Speaker 1: morning said, I said, what is Brian Flores want out
Speaker 1: of this lawsuit against the NFL? And my source said,
Speaker 1: he's a guy of principle. That was the word that
Speaker 1: kept coming up. Principle. This is just about the principle
Speaker 1: of it. You gave me a sham interview, you were
Speaker 1: never interested in hiring me, and he's probably going to Wells.
Speaker 1: Coaching career is going to be on hold. It may
Speaker 1: not ever materialize again. Owners may be afraid to hire
Speaker 1: him with what could happen. But he decided to file
Speaker 1: the lawsuit. And then he also claims that his former owner,
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross, offered him one hundred thousand dollars for every
Speaker 1: loss in twenty nineteen, every loss that's a specific number.
Speaker 1: Now it's not a good look for the league that's
Speaker 1: gone all in on legal sports gambling. I also talked
Speaker 1: to a source this morning about this, you know, same source,
Speaker 1: and they said, you know what matters more to the NFL?
Speaker 1: They said, well, look, the hiring practices. They know that's
Speaker 1: an issue. That's why they created the Rooney Rule. The
Speaker 1: bigger issue is Stephen Ross paying. This is fixing games,
Speaker 1: fixing games to lose one hundred thousand dollars for every loss.
Speaker 1: Can you prove it? Did Brian Flores? Maybe tell his
Speaker 1: assistant coaches, Hey, you know they want us to lose.
Speaker 1: Is the GM involved. Stephen Ross is going to be deposed.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask him, this is where you lose
Speaker 1: your team. That's fixing games. I want you to lose.
Speaker 1: I'm going to incentivize you to lose games. But if
Speaker 1: the reports turn out to be true, the lawsuit has
Speaker 1: potential to shed some light on the dark side of
Speaker 1: the NFL, and maybe, you know, we're going to look
Speaker 1: back on Brian Flores in twenty years and treat him
Speaker 1: the way we did Kurt Flood Major League Baseball. You know,
Speaker 1: there's other guys who are waiting to see if they're
Speaker 1: going to be interviewed. Eric b Enemy I said this
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to get a job because the Vikings were supposed to
Speaker 1: be the team, and then it felt like they were
Speaker 1: waiting to see if Jim Harball really wanted to coach
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and Eric b Enemy probably not going
Speaker 1: to get a job. You know, David Culley with the
Speaker 1: Texans got fired after one year, Brian Flores after two years.
Speaker 1: And this is where the African American coaches are saying,
Speaker 1: we don't get a second chance, we don't get an
Speaker 1: extended first chance. And that's the problem that they have.
Speaker 1: And if you're going to interview us, then interview us,
Speaker 1: don't bring us in and all of a sudden, you go,
Speaker 1: I got to check the box here. The reason why
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule came up is because they did have
Speaker 1: a problem. They do have a problem. That's why they
Speaker 1: created this. But this is you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of facets here and Mike Floria, who's a lawyer, is
Speaker 1: going to join us coming up. But you know the
Speaker 1: giants say they have the more qualified candidate. They didn't
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule is there. Stephen Ross with the possibility
Speaker 1: of being deposed and having to talk about this or
Speaker 1: deny this. Where is this trial going to be held?
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. You know, where what's the forum
Speaker 1: going to be? The access? Are you going to depot?
Speaker 1: Is Bill Belichick? I mean, this is this is a
Speaker 1: whole lot bigger than you know, just one guy taken
Speaker 1: on the NFL. I was also told by a source
Speaker 1: the lawyers that Brian Flores hired are well respected. They
Speaker 1: are they are great. Now NFL is full of lawyers.
Speaker 1: But if you have all this information, if you collected
Speaker 1: this information, if there's a paper trail, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is what happens. You know the NFL. Are they going
Speaker 1: to settle with Brian Flores? Settle They settled with Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: They going to settle here. You don't want to go
Speaker 1: in and have your owner deposed. You don't want the commissioner.
Speaker 1: You don't want John Elway with the Broncos. No, you
Speaker 1: don't want that. But if you're Brian Flores, how far
Speaker 1: are you taking this? What do you want out of this?
Speaker 1: But he's been making the rounds and it certainly sounds like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's all in because it might be career suicide.
Speaker 1: But in his mind, hey, somebody has to do this.
Speaker 1: And I was texting with Tony Dungee last night and
Speaker 1: I said, you know, is this gonna matter? Is this
Speaker 1: you know something that's gonna be helpful to the big picture?
Speaker 1: And Tony sadly says, probably not. It's exposing it. But
Speaker 1: I was told once again the NFL it more concerned
Speaker 1: about that gambling you know they're all in on gambling.
Speaker 1: You cannot have this like one owner did not worth it.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta say to Stephen Ron, Stephen, if
Speaker 1: this is true, you're gone. You're gonna, you know, put
Speaker 1: it up for sale. I mean Donald Sterling lost, you know,
Speaker 1: hit ownership of the Clippers for just being a racist.
Speaker 1: You know, he lost it. You know, that's when Adam
Speaker 1: Silver came in and said you're gone, and uh, here
Speaker 1: we go. Who wants it? I'd be a lot of
Speaker 1: people want to buy the Dolphins. But you know that's
Speaker 1: that's just some of the stuff that's happening right now.
Speaker 1: All right, let's pull question today, Todd. All right, one
Speaker 1: idea was if Tom Brady did return to the Bucks
Speaker 1: next season, they would win the Super Bowl, lose the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, win a playoff game, lose their first playoff game,
Speaker 1: miss the postseason altogether. Um well, first of all, why
Speaker 1: is this a question? I just think it's kind of
Speaker 1: a fun thing. He just retired yesterday. I know all
Speaker 1: the news is Brian Flores. I couldn't come up with
Speaker 1: a comfortable question for that on the poll, so I
Speaker 1: went Tom Brady. Okay, we have a few others though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if anybody cares what the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: are gonna be, like if Tom Brady came back, you know,
Speaker 1: Poul Monday morning, Jim Harbaugh is dot dot dot if
Speaker 1: you had to bet today the Vikings coach man, how
Speaker 1: sudden is that? Yeah? You know, but talking to people yesterday,
Speaker 1: him like, why why is Harball doing it? And I
Speaker 1: was told, you know, he's done. It feels like he's
Speaker 1: done with Michigan. They may be done with him. And
Speaker 1: you know, Jim put himself in the situation where he
Speaker 1: performed poorly, they cut his salary, then he has this
Speaker 1: unbelievable run this year, and then now you know he's
Speaker 1: gonna go to the NFL. So it's not like, hey, Michigan,
Speaker 1: you did this to Jim Harball. Jim Harball did it
Speaker 1: to Jim Harball. He performed poorly or not up to
Speaker 1: the expectations that he promised, then they had this incredible
Speaker 1: run this year. So maybe it's just time. Hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, go to the NFL. You always wanted to go.
Speaker 1: No hard feelings here. Thank you for what you've done
Speaker 1: for the program, but you can't be telling your recruits
Speaker 1: and he has I might not be here today, yes,
Speaker 1: like National signing Dagg and I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: know if anybody's going into the transfer portal, but they could.
Speaker 1: But National Sighting Day and Jim is in Minnesota. Some
Speaker 1: linebacker in the Midwest is I can't wait to play
Speaker 1: for a coach to be named later? What else do
Speaker 1: you have? Ton we've got? If you're a top football recruit,
Speaker 1: you'd most want to sign with Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, LSU,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC or other just some
Speaker 1: of the top programs in the recent years, if there's one,
Speaker 1: unless we think Alabama would run away with that, I
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily that's true. What else are you going?
Speaker 1: And I had one fun one based on the day
Speaker 1: that is today. How does a date that's all the
Speaker 1: same number like two two two two make you feel
Speaker 1: excited that something special will happen, uneasy and a feeling
Speaker 1: of dread two two twenty two too. I'm about you
Speaker 1: put on a two two. I thought you'd like though,
Speaker 1: But the data is just a consequence. It doesn't mean anything,
Speaker 1: but it's just a very rare thing. The day and
Speaker 1: month and year to all the same number. Does that
Speaker 1: make you feel uplifted and enlighten the excited? Do anything
Speaker 1: different today? I'm not. I think I believe in numerology
Speaker 1: all that is that something. I wonder if everyone feels
Speaker 1: like that's something something good and special can happen when
Speaker 1: all the numbers aligned like that, or something absolutely awful?
Speaker 1: What do you I don't. I don't understand what you
Speaker 1: it's not to understand. It's just the fun. It's two
Speaker 1: to twenty two. It's a rare thing that all the
Speaker 1: numbers are the same when you see something like that.
Speaker 1: Is that if you have a good feeling about what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen during the course of those twenty four hours?
Speaker 1: Or oh my god, I don't like that all these
Speaker 1: numbers are the name. I think people think of stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe I'm the weird one. Don't know, very possible.
Speaker 1: Or where's Jim Harbor going to be Vikings coach? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just pick one, but I don't want where you have,
Speaker 1: like seven. I've got a little carried away with the choice.
Speaker 1: I think the Harbor, Michigan or Vikings probably makes the
Speaker 1: most sense for now. Yeah, just just one good one
Speaker 1: is all I am not nine every day nine? Just
Speaker 1: one good question? Yeah, you know, did Tom Brady purposely
Speaker 1: not acknowledge the Patriots? They're good at this, how about that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just saying, well, I'm good at
Speaker 1: asking questions. But you know, when Tom left the Patriots,
Speaker 1: he had a pretty good goodbye to the Patriots videos.
Speaker 1: He thanked everybody. All of a sudden, he steps down
Speaker 1: from the Buccaneers and he's, wait, you gotta do it again.
Speaker 1: I mean, this one felt a little more media created that.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if Tom had to thank
Speaker 1: the Patriots again. I guess in his in retrospector, you know,
Speaker 1: he's looking back on his career. I mean, after I
Speaker 1: moved on from ESPN, I didn't have to keep thanking ESPN.
Speaker 1: You just move on and you thank the people who
Speaker 1: you're with. Now. I think that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1: He was being fair to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. What
Speaker 1: happens if Tom goes to you know, signs a one
Speaker 1: year deal with the Patriots. Is everybody okay with that?
Speaker 1: Then a one day deal? Everybody okay with that? It
Speaker 1: just felt like, uh, you know what, we gotta we
Speaker 1: to keep this Brady story alive? How do we keep
Speaker 1: it alive? He didn't mention the Patriots? Yeah, Paul, you
Speaker 1: see the media sends a film crew out to somewhere
Speaker 1: in Boston and convince it to Patriots fans to burn
Speaker 1: a jersey. It's totally created and concocted for TV. Yeah. Hey, Tommy,
Speaker 1: what do you think about Tom Brady not acknowledging the Patriots?
Speaker 1: All right? Think Itch buch who's got light of fluid? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm sick, sick of this Brady. Anybody got a match?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna burn my Brady. Josey. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if that's the accident. Yes, yes, Marvin. Now they got
Speaker 1: to rename their dogs in their kids. Oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: it was Brady, but now it's mac Brad. So ungrateful.
Speaker 1: Mike Florio is going to join us next. We'll see
Speaker 1: how ugly this is gonna get with Brian Flores and
Speaker 1: a few other things. Jim Harbag gonna take this job.
Speaker 1: Certainly feels that way. Your phone call is always welcome.
Speaker 1: I'll get to those. I think we have our pole question.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I think I
Speaker 1: like that one. The Brady ones that he intentionally not
Speaker 1: acknowledge the patron. We can start with that, but then
Speaker 1: here I am accusing the media making it a story,
Speaker 1: and then I'm making it a story. Yeah, we're just
Speaker 1: having a little fun with it. It's not to be
Speaker 1: taken that seriously. Okay, thank you to You're welcome. All right,
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Speaker 1: get to phone calls coming up. As some of our
Speaker 1: astute listeners pointed out, Fritzie is fascinated that it's two
Speaker 1: to twenty two. And then we had some of our
Speaker 1: members of the audience saying, what's Fritzie gonna do when
Speaker 1: it's two two two? Didn't think that through complete in
Speaker 1: twenty days, it'll be the same exact two across the
Speaker 1: boardom of day. What is what are your plans on
Speaker 1: that day? Because I know this is a big day.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk on eggshells and not go into ladders,
Speaker 1: avoid black hats, and be very careful. I'm one that
Speaker 1: doesn't like all the numbers lined up like that. It's
Speaker 1: not like, oh I gotta play that lottery number or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Fritzie came in, he goes, you know, it's two to
Speaker 1: twenty two and I and made it to the poll choices.
Speaker 1: He's like a numerology. I'm into numerology. I go, okay,
Speaker 1: what about when it's two two two two less than
Speaker 1: three weeks from now, It'll be the same exact thing,
Speaker 1: not a special day. I guess right. Let's bring on
Speaker 1: Mike Florio Pro Football TONK Live co host Mike, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for that. What's he gonna do when it's two
Speaker 1: twenty two this afternoon, that's one twenty two on two
Speaker 1: to twenty two, his head's going to explode. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us, walk us through this being an attorney. Um,
Speaker 1: what is the lawsuit about. Let's start there. Well, the
Speaker 1: lawsuit is about specifically Brian Flores being fired by the
Speaker 1: Dolphins when he believed he shouldn't have been, and also
Speaker 1: not being hired by the Giants. Are being given a
Speaker 1: fair opportunity to compete for the Giants job. More broadly,
Speaker 1: it is a referendum on the NFL's decades long issue
Speaker 1: with racial bias in the hiring of coaches, hiring of coaches,
Speaker 1: retention of coaches, compensation of coaches. Black coaches obviously opportunities
Speaker 1: available for them as head coaches than executives. Black executives
Speaker 1: not becoming general managers. Just the failures that have been
Speaker 1: hiding in plain sight for years. The fails that brought
Speaker 1: about the Rooney Rule twenty years ago was the threat
Speaker 1: of litigation, not actual litigation from the late Johnny Cochrane
Speaker 1: and Cyrus Mary that got the NFL to adopt the
Speaker 1: Rooney Rule. Here we are twenty years later, not much
Speaker 1: progress has been made. And the thing that will I
Speaker 1: think spur change for the NFL is the thing that
Speaker 1: they never thought they would have to deal with, someone
Speaker 1: coming forward trading his career because there's a practical He
Speaker 1: goes into this knowing the risk he's taking. He's trading
Speaker 1: his career for the opportunity to be the one who
Speaker 1: affects meaningful, permanent change for the NFL. Suing the Broncos,
Speaker 1: the Giants, the NFL. Is that all Is that separate
Speaker 1: or is it collective civil lawsuit? Well, the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: part of it as well, and it's an attack on
Speaker 1: the entire structure, the entire system. Now he can specifically
Speaker 1: point to incidents with the Dolphins. He was held to
Speaker 1: a different standard, he was held to a higher standard.
Speaker 1: He was fired when he shouldn't have been. He's regarded
Speaker 1: as the angry black man who must be dealt with
Speaker 1: instead of the demanding head coach who is going to
Speaker 1: lead the team to victory. That's the perception, that may
Speaker 1: be the reality. That's what the case will try to prove.
Speaker 1: In Denver, he claims he had a sham interview in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, that's why they are in the lawsuit. And
Speaker 1: in New York, he contends that he had a sham
Speaker 1: interview last week, that they knew they were hiring Brian
Speaker 1: Dayball before they even brought him in for the interview.
Speaker 1: As evidenced, he believes by an accidental text message that
Speaker 1: was sent by Bill Belichick, of all people, to Brian,
Speaker 1: just Brian dave Ball instead of Brian Flores. You know,
Speaker 1: I still go back to the Dolphins. If you know
Speaker 1: he the Giant said that they hired the more qualified guy,
Speaker 1: Brian Dable, and I go, how can you possibly say
Speaker 1: that Flores has been a coach head coach in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He worked for an owner who wanted him to lose
Speaker 1: and he still won. How are you telling me Daball
Speaker 1: is more qualified that that's you know, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: good line on the resume. Had back to back winning
Speaker 1: seasons despite being employed by a guy who wanted me
Speaker 1: to lose. But you're right, Dan, Look, every time a
Speaker 1: coordinator becomes a head coach, there's a risk that is
Speaker 1: being taken that the coordinator who steps into a very
Speaker 1: different job won't be able to do the job. But
Speaker 1: Brian Flores, we've seen it. He's done it. He swapped
Speaker 1: the Patriots in twenty twenty one for crying out loud,
Speaker 1: so he's proven he can make the adjustment from coordinator
Speaker 1: to head coach. He's more qualified than Brian Dable from
Speaker 1: that perspective. But the Dolphins thing is fascinating too, And
Speaker 1: this needs to get proper attention and scrutiny this idea
Speaker 1: that and it's an allegation, I know, but that Stephen
Speaker 1: Ross offered Brian Flores one hundred thousand dollars per loss
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. When I believe that Stephen Ross was
Speaker 1: trying to do a full season tank to get the
Speaker 1: number one pick in twenty twenty. Originally wanted twa, then
Speaker 1: he fell in love with Joe Burrow. How does the
Speaker 1: NFL not aggressively investigate that and if any of it
Speaker 1: is even remotely true immediately ejects Stephen Ross from club
Speaker 1: Oligarch Well, I don't know how you prove it, but
Speaker 1: to have you know a number like not Hey, he
Speaker 1: offered me money. He offered me one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Did Flores collaborate that story with his assistant coaches or
Speaker 1: anybody else? Is there a paper trail there? I was
Speaker 1: told by a source this morning Mike had said, look,
Speaker 1: you know there are repercussions with racism and the hiring practices.
Speaker 1: This could be bigger than that story because Ross could
Speaker 1: lose his team and the gambling allegation he would be
Speaker 1: fixing games. I mean, I don't think it's hard to
Speaker 1: connect the dots of an owner saying to your coach,
Speaker 1: I want you to lose. Yeah, right, it's fixing games.
Speaker 1: Not for the purposes of fixing games, Tim Donahey's style.
Speaker 1: It's fixing games with a broader, strategic objective in mind,
Speaker 1: We're going to take our lumps. We're gonna be bad
Speaker 1: all of twenty nineteen, not just once we know we're
Speaker 1: not a playoff team. We know we're not a playoff
Speaker 1: team going in. Let's just go ahead and be as
Speaker 1: bad as we can to secure a prime position in
Speaker 1: the draft next year so I can finally get the
Speaker 1: next Dan Marino for this team. That was the plan
Speaker 1: I believe for Stephen Ross in twenty nineteen. And you know,
Speaker 1: the difference doesn't matter if you're trying to lose. In
Speaker 1: an environment where the NFL has partnerships with seven different
Speaker 1: sports books and gambling is spreading everywhere, everyone has to
Speaker 1: be trying to win every game. And this is going
Speaker 1: to spark a broader conversation I believe about the connection
Speaker 1: between draft position and losing games late in the season
Speaker 1: when you're out of the playoffs. They need to find
Speaker 1: a way to take away the incentive to lose, because
Speaker 1: it's there. It's there, and teams have done it from
Speaker 1: time to time. They do it adroitly, they cover their tracks,
Speaker 1: but the incentive is obvious to try to lose games
Speaker 1: once you know you're not in the playoffs, you get
Speaker 1: a better spot when it's time to pick the best
Speaker 1: players the next year. I'm going to play something for you.
Speaker 1: If you've ever wanted to hear what six hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars sounds like, this is what it sounds like. This
Speaker 1: is May of twenty seventeen when I had Mark Cuban
Speaker 1: the Mavericks own and he admitted to the MAVs tanking.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, look, you know, we all, you know,
Speaker 1: the MAVs once we were eliminated from the playoffs, we
Speaker 1: did everything possible to lose games. And so if we
Speaker 1: did it up front, if we knew that this was
Speaker 1: a rebuild season and we just did it up front,
Speaker 1: then you know, you know, you kind of know what
Speaker 1: kind of team you have. And if you could get
Speaker 1: eliminated early and then start building momentum, you can finish,
Speaker 1: you know, your season thirty and ten and end up
Speaker 1: with a boatload of ping pong balls. How did you tank?
Speaker 1: How do you play all your young players? Okay, that
Speaker 1: was it, but there is is it? You send out
Speaker 1: a memo or you just say oh no, because the guys,
Speaker 1: once the guy walks on the court, they're gonna play
Speaker 1: the hard out particularly the young guys, because they have
Speaker 1: something to prove. So you know, Dorian Finney, Smith, um,
Speaker 1: Yogi Ferrell. There's nothing you could say or due to
Speaker 1: them to say don't play hard or try to lose
Speaker 1: this game. That wouldn't be right, and I don't think
Speaker 1: any NBA team would ever do that. But when you
Speaker 1: have solom MESR Shooting threes, that's not a good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that cost him six hundred thousand dollars. He violated the
Speaker 1: first rule of ten club. Don't talk about ten club, right,
Speaker 1: But the incentive is there and is coach too, Well, no,
Speaker 1: But but this is how it works. You make the
Speaker 1: decision as the owner of the team. You want to
Speaker 1: evaluate the young players. You want to see how the
Speaker 1: third string quarterback does. I thought that's what the Texans
Speaker 1: were doing late in the season when they decided to
Speaker 1: go with Davis Mills over Tyrod Taylor. They want games,
Speaker 1: though it doesn't always work out, but the incentive is there.
Speaker 1: The system creates the incentive. The draft. The way they
Speaker 1: do the draft creates the incentive. And the NFL never
Speaker 1: wants to acknowledge the obvious connection between losing once you're done,
Speaker 1: Like Mark Cuban said, and rising in the opportunity to
Speaker 1: get the potentially generational talent that transforms your team. It's obvious,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been kicking around some ideas on
Speaker 1: what to do about it. There's no easy solution. These
Speaker 1: solutions to get rid of the draft, they're never going
Speaker 1: to do that. But there's got to be a way
Speaker 1: to remove the incentive to lose, because the incentive to
Speaker 1: lose is there when you look at the draft order
Speaker 1: and you look at how much it's given up. Look
Speaker 1: at what they gave up to go from twelve to
Speaker 1: three last year, two more first round picks in the
Speaker 1: third round pick every year, significant assets are surrendered to
Speaker 1: go a little bit higher. Hey, if we just would
Speaker 1: have lost this game or this game, Chase Young would
Speaker 1: be a giant if the Giants had lost to Washington
Speaker 1: Week seventeen at the twenty nineteen season. So there's a
Speaker 1: real benefit to it, and they just need to remove
Speaker 1: the incentive. And this is how it's biting them in
Speaker 1: the butt. And it'll be interesting to see whether they
Speaker 1: take it seriously and investigate it or look the other way. Dan,
Speaker 1: I think they're going to brush it under the rug.
Speaker 1: I think they've got too much that can happen to
Speaker 1: the NFL collectively congress on the scene. Potentially, they're going
Speaker 1: to rally around Stephen Ross and they're gonna brush the
Speaker 1: brush this underruck. I hope I'm wrong. I never have
Speaker 1: hoped that I am more wrong than I am right
Speaker 1: now about it. I hope they take it seriously. My
Speaker 1: guess is that they can't because the ramifications are two significant.
Speaker 1: He's a Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host.
Speaker 1: Why isn't there a union for coaches in the NFL, Well,
Speaker 1: because coaches don't want to trade their careers for signing
Speaker 1: a union car and with only thirty two teams and
Speaker 1: so many more qualified individuals who could come in and
Speaker 1: become even if they're not good coaches right out of
Speaker 1: the gates, they could grow into the job supply out
Speaker 1: ways demand, the coaches would never come together and create
Speaker 1: the union. It also becomes complicated when you become a
Speaker 1: head coach, because head coach is management. I think the
Speaker 1: union would consist of assistant coaches. Then you'd exit the
Speaker 1: union when you become a head coach. But that's part
Speaker 1: of the problem. It's part of the problem talk to
Speaker 1: John pay A bounty gate, and it becomes crystal clear
Speaker 1: the difference between having a union which fought and beat
Speaker 1: back all of the players suspensions and being a coach
Speaker 1: and having no right the commissioner suspended you, well, I
Speaker 1: want to appeal it. Okay, you appeal it to the commissioner,
Speaker 1: appeal to nied. See you next year. Jim Harball, I
Speaker 1: don't think gets on that plane unless when he gets off,
Speaker 1: he's expected to be the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: What do you think he wants to come back to
Speaker 1: the NFL. He wants to win a Super Bowl. He
Speaker 1: has to deal with the fact that his brother John
Speaker 1: won the one that Jim thought he was going to
Speaker 1: win in twenty twelve, and he's got an ally there
Speaker 1: and the new general manager, Quessiat Dopho Menza. Whatever happened
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, however, it went sideways between Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: and former forty nine Ers general manager Trent Bauki. However
Speaker 1: ownership was involved in the dysfunction. A Dopho Mensa was
Speaker 1: there for the last two years of Harbaugh's time there,
Speaker 1: and whatever he saw, whatever he witnessed, whatever he observed
Speaker 1: and experienced put Harbaugh at the top of his list
Speaker 1: of coaches to hire when he becomes a general manager.
Speaker 1: That tells you something. And I think the Vikings are
Speaker 1: a little bit leary about Harbaugh. There's a sense that
Speaker 1: maybe he's got to win the job today in the interview,
Speaker 1: and you know, you just gotta ask yourself, do you
Speaker 1: want a guy that was forty four nineteen and one
Speaker 1: in four seasons? Do you want a guy that took
Speaker 1: a team that was six and ten with no offseason
Speaker 1: program because of the lockout in twenty eleven and took
Speaker 1: his team to the brink of the Super Bowl But
Speaker 1: for a couple of muff punts by Kyle Williams, they
Speaker 1: would have been in the super Bowl that year. It
Speaker 1: was an amazing turnaround. That's what the Will's haves asked themselves.
Speaker 1: Do we want to roll the dice on a guy
Speaker 1: who was shown he can do it? Or do we
Speaker 1: want to roll the dice on a guy who has
Speaker 1: never even had a head coaching job before. I didn't
Speaker 1: even ask you about Tom Brady. Do you think Tom
Speaker 1: left out acknowledging the Patriots on purpose? There is no
Speaker 1: way that that multi page statement was something he thumbed
Speaker 1: on his iPhone sitting on the toilet yesterday morning. That
Speaker 1: thing was written and rewritten and revised and vetted, and
Speaker 1: everything in there was there for a reason. Everything not
Speaker 1: in there was not in there for a reason. I
Speaker 1: think it was deliberated, whatever the reason, whatever the reason,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, people think he's going to
Speaker 1: show up at Gillette Stadium and do a one day
Speaker 1: contract and he'll do his Patriots victory lap then who knows.
Speaker 1: But it really was glaring to see pretty much every
Speaker 1: one of the Buccaneers organization thanked and no mention of
Speaker 1: the Patriots whatsoever. You okay with the Washington commanders. I'm
Speaker 1: okay with the fact that the name isn't what it
Speaker 1: used to be. And I was fine with Washington football team. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like the uniforms, but you know, I like
Speaker 1: I like the old school uniforms. I love it when
Speaker 1: the Raiders and the Cowboys play, when the Browns and
Speaker 1: the Packers play. The nicification of the NFL continues, and
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Speaker 1: Please buy them now and buy them quickly because in
Speaker 1: two years they'll be changing again. Uh. Good stuff. Thank you, Mike,
Speaker 1: great talk, talking to you, Dan, Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk,
Speaker 1: take a break, play the day's up next phone calls,
Speaker 1: and Satan O'Connor will join us from somewhere outside of
Speaker 1: Memphis back after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan
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Speaker 1: here in a moment. Today's the last day to enter
Speaker 1: the contest. Two two two two right, Tod exactly? Yeah,
Speaker 1: two two twenty two, Like Tod is really like on
Speaker 1: nerved by this. You think something bad is going to
Speaker 1: happen because it's two too. Yeah. Isn't there something about
Speaker 1: eleven eleven? Look, there's look, there's some things with numbers.
Speaker 1: There's three six. Is this all kinds of stuff with
Speaker 1: numbers being in a row? That's bad. It's MBUSA dot
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Speaker 1: Todd goes, I don't know if I'm gonna stop at
Speaker 1: Burger King on the way home, something bad could happen
Speaker 1: because they have like the two for six special or
Speaker 1: something to get the original Chicken. Anything with a two
Speaker 1: in it. I'm gonna avoid as best I can, as
Speaker 1: we all know. And then the old take It number two.
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Seaton O'Connor, who just from the road. Well, well,
Speaker 1: where are you right now? Seaton? So I'm in Memphis.
Speaker 1: Guess where I am. You're at Graceland. Let's go. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, man, I was actually just walking
Speaker 1: through there. I just got a little tour. It is
Speaker 1: so rad It's an awesome place. Now, what's the coolest
Speaker 1: thing you saw at Graceland? Okay, I'll give you two things.
Speaker 1: Um Down in the basement, Elvis has uh he's got
Speaker 1: sort of the original man Cave. Now that's the Jungle Room,
Speaker 1: isn't it. No, So the Jungle Room is a different
Speaker 1: room which I just walked through too, which is really radica.
Speaker 1: But he's got this room down in the basement where
Speaker 1: so Elvis is a huge UM football fan, right and
Speaker 1: he wanted to watch all the games at one time.
Speaker 1: And since there's only there was three networks at the time,
Speaker 1: he had three TVs put into the wall so he
Speaker 1: could watch football because he was just like a rabid
Speaker 1: football fan. And there's like an awesome couch and a
Speaker 1: bar in there and a fireplace and like mirrors all
Speaker 1: over the wall and the ceiling and stuff. It's really
Speaker 1: cool place. And you stayed in Memphis last night. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we stayed in Memphis last night. And I met this
Speaker 1: dude who knows Robert Plant. Yeah, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Dan would be dying right now if
Speaker 1: he was hearing these stories. And he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's because I was telling known a story about the Peabody. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And you can figure out how to like, like how
Speaker 1: do I go start a conversation with this dude? And
Speaker 1: the guy that I was talking to said that Robert
Speaker 1: Plant is a huge sports fan and like just super
Speaker 1: down to earth, super you like, oh, yeah, he'll talk
Speaker 1: your ear off about like football or soccer or whatever
Speaker 1: that he comes down here all the time to Memphis.
Speaker 1: And good restaurant last night in Memphis. Yeah, Blue City
Speaker 1: Cafe Blue City Cafe. Probably yea on Beal. It was
Speaker 1: probably the best ribs I've ever had in my entire life.
Speaker 1: They were phenomenal, fell right off the bone. They're unbelievable,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people say that they're probably the
Speaker 1: best ribs in Memphis. What's the plan for you and
Speaker 1: the French Kid today? Plan today? We're gonna wrap up
Speaker 1: here and then head down to Right now, it's not raining,
Speaker 1: which is nice. We're gonna try and beat the weather
Speaker 1: and head down to Houston. Oh so, wait were you?
Speaker 1: That's a different route. That is a different route. So
Speaker 1: I think we're trying to We're gonna try to go
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City is gonna get slammed with the storm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think we're gonna go a little further south
Speaker 1: to try and stay with either like the rain or
Speaker 1: the less bad side of the storm. So I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a little bit more of a roundabout
Speaker 1: route to get to LA. It's not the most direct route,
Speaker 1: but it feels like maybe the smartest route. PAULI do
Speaker 1: you have the mileage Memphis to Houston? Of course I do, Dan,
Speaker 1: I got five hundred and sixty eight miles today. Have
Speaker 1: you and the French Kid had an argument yet? Have
Speaker 1: we had an argument yet? No, No, it's we've been
Speaker 1: doing really well. Actually, there are some some stretches of
Speaker 1: quiet for sure, which I'm very comfortable sitting in the
Speaker 1: quiet and not talking to the only other person there.
Speaker 1: But no, we've been doing good. You know, I think
Speaker 1: today might be the test. You know, it's sort of
Speaker 1: in the middle where we just did all that those
Speaker 1: miles and now we got to go all the way
Speaker 1: out there. Today could be a good test. And I
Speaker 1: think if we're if we're going through Houston, that means
Speaker 1: we have to go through West Texas, and I don't
Speaker 1: know that there's a lot out in West Texas, so
Speaker 1: that sort of direct things up heading over to Phoenix
Speaker 1: might be a little interesting. All right, Well, keep us
Speaker 1: up today, safe travels. Yeah, all right, awesome, thanks Guys's
Speaker 1: Seatan O'Connor with the French Kid in Memphis, Elvis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always heard of the Jungle Room, didn't Mark Cohen
Speaker 1: walking in Memphis talk about Yeah, you know of the
Speaker 1: Jungle Room. So he'll be going through Little Rock, then
Speaker 1: through like by Shreveport, Louisiana, down through Houston, Texas. Right,
Speaker 1: Andrew and Washington. Hi Andrew, what's on your mind this morning?
Speaker 1: Good morning guys, Thanks for taking my call again. Sure,
Speaker 1: what's on my mind this morning? Two things? I kind
Speaker 1: of had a question with that Brian Flores lawsuit came out.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned it. Do you think that the hiring practices
Speaker 1: and the Rooney rule or the possible tanking allegations. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see what your thoughts are on which one
Speaker 1: will hold more weight at the end of this lawsuit.
Speaker 1: Two other comments. First of all, are his lawyers as
Speaker 1: good as Tom Brady Season's assist lawyers? Are they up
Speaker 1: to that level? And one more thing for Fritzie. Fritzie's
Speaker 1: having a great week, gotten guests on in a pinch,
Speaker 1: and I just hope that he's not an NCAA basketball
Speaker 1: team peeking before the tournament, which is Super Bowl week
Speaker 1: next week, and then having a letdown and losing in
Speaker 1: the first round. So Fritzie, don't don't get everything this
Speaker 1: week save next week. I want to let you down.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Andrew, Thank you. You know they're they're separate,
Speaker 1: But I feels like if there's fixing games or telling,
Speaker 1: you're asking, you know, saying, incentivizing your coach to lose games.
Speaker 1: You know, that's where you lose your team. And the
Speaker 1: amount of money, you know, the billions of dollars with gambling,
Speaker 1: and the NFL's all in with gambling, like, you cannot
Speaker 1: have this. You might not want to play your best
Speaker 1: players at the end of a season, or you may
Speaker 1: want to see, hey, let's see what the younger guys
Speaker 1: can do. I understand that, but this is this is
Speaker 1: fixing a game by telling your coach to lose from
Speaker 1: the owner if that, if that's true, This isn't play
Speaker 1: different players. This is you know, I need you to
Speaker 1: lose these games because he wanted Joe Burrow and you
Speaker 1: put a number on it too. Keep in mind Sean
Speaker 1: Payton lost eight million dollars in salary because his defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator had a bounty out on players they were trying
Speaker 1: to win. Sean was you know it was it was
Speaker 1: on his watch, so he got suspended for a year.
Speaker 1: That's not tanking, uh, Sean and Kansas y Sean, what's
Speaker 1: on your Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call again.
Speaker 1: Happy groundhog Day. I hope Fritzie's not freaking out having
Speaker 1: a groundhog day experienced himself. I just wanted to say
Speaker 1: before Sunday's game, I thought Eric b Enemy should get
Speaker 1: a job as a head coach. But I think now
Speaker 1: after watching that meltdown, whether it was his play calling
Speaker 1: or Andy, one of them should have looked at the
Speaker 1: other one told them it was a three man rush
Speaker 1: started running the ball again. And I think any GM
Speaker 1: or owner is going to see that. You know, if
Speaker 1: they can't even see that, if they can't even fix
Speaker 1: that in the second half, why would I want him
Speaker 1: coaching my team for a whole year. But now that
Speaker 1: Brian Pores brought this lawsuit, I wonder if owners might
Speaker 1: take a second look at him, just to maybe not
Speaker 1: look racist your thoughts. Thank you, Sean Well. I did
Speaker 1: wonder in the second half that the Bengals were rushing
Speaker 1: three had a spy on Mahomes and you didn't take
Speaker 1: what they we're giving you. I just didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: But you know it's always Andy Reid gets credit when
Speaker 1: they do something well when the offense is clicking. But
Speaker 1: here the offense isn't clicking. And now we're going to
Speaker 1: bring a Eric B enemy. I gues's not fair to him.
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's supposed to be the genius there. And he's
Speaker 1: had other assistance get head coaching jobs and they weren't
Speaker 1: calling the plays either. Matt Nagee did it. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why Eric b Enemy is still waiting to become
Speaker 1: a head coach. I don't know how he is in
Speaker 1: the interviewing process, but if you look at his resume,
Speaker 1: why is he any different than Matt Nagge Adam Gaze.
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze has gotten a couple of opportunities. Josh McDaniels,
Speaker 1: he's going to join us. Coming up last hour, got
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