WEBVTT - Ep. 152: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - Deer, Dogs, & Old Friends 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.239 My name is Clay Neukman. This is a production of 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.400 the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.760 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:31.320 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:36.520 American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:43.199 to be as rugged as the place as we explore. Well, 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:48.360 welcome to the bear Grease Render Podcast. So for anybody 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.559 that is new to this the bear Grease world, the 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:57.440 Render podcast is where we talk about the bear Grease podcast. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:04.600 Bear Grease podcast is a documentary style podcast. Brent right, right, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.160 and so the Render is where we gather up an 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:14.280 eclectic crew of usually just like gritty Americans that come 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.320 in here, and we talked about last week's podcast. Man, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.560 I'm pumped about the eclectic group of people that we 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.720 have here today. So I do my introductions. To my left, 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.480 Brent Reeves looking sharp. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.560 Brother, always clean, socks good right one left. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:35.200 Good man, You're you're this country Life So Brent's the 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.360 host of this country life podcast. We'll come back to that. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:43.360 To your left two brothers that you guys are like 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.720 legends in my world. I mean, I'm not kidding I'm 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.680 going to tell you why I understand it. I've got 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:55.560 Andy and Aaron Stanful here today. Aaron was a storyteller 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.560 on the Dear Stories podcast and he's going to have 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.000 another story on the next podcast. But let me describe 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:07.000 how I know these guys and then friend, Well, yeah, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.400 I went to prison in two thousand and three. I 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.800 knew no. So I was one of my heroes and 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.920 still is to this day. Is Scott Brown. Scott was 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.280 like four years older than me, which is the perfect 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.720 age to idolize somebody and to kind of be influenced 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.880 by who they are. Scott went to the University of Arkansas. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.440 I get married, My first married home was in Faedville. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.919 I start working and Scott was from my hometown. Me 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.480 and Scott start working together, which has worked the same 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:41.040 place and so and by that time, Scott had knew 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:46.600 you guys and was hunting with y'all, and he talked 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.600 about you guys like y'all were just like the best 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.680 hunters that ever lived. He did, and so I just 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:59.640 I believed him back then, And no, no, no, do 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.240 you remember remember one time Aaron, I rode in the 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.400 truck with you and Scott to go hunting. See, I 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.320 was just like a little pip squeak. It was just like, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.680 it's just like Brown, who's this guy? Why is he here? 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.000 That's the way I felt around you. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.880 It seemed like a group of guys. We hunted all 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.000 the time. Me, Lucas Scott. We went to the management 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.880 area three days a week. So you've may have been 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:26.680 on one of those trips. 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.400 Yeah, I was, as I remember it, So you don't. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.440 But didn't you come to our camp one year? 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:32.160 Well? 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.240 Yeah I did, so that would have been after that, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.400 probably the same year. Okay, y'all camped in some public 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.600 ground over here, and I went to the camp and 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.600 it was all the guys. I'm getting ahead of myself. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.600 Let me go ahead and introduce the whole crew, so 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.360 our our buddy here can jump in to Aaron's left. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.880 Is my dad, Gary the Believer? Nukem? How's it going 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.160 to do? You hear your name come up in the podcast? 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.520 Come down me and I love it. I'm getting all 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:05.040 most of amous is old render man over there. Yeah 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:06.840 you agreed with me too. Didn't you knew it was 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.760 a black panther that stole? There's no question about that. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.080 I mean everybody knows that the rector cougar won't go 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.040 up a tree. Yeah, of course, you gotta had to 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:17.920 be in a black one like that. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.719 It's like that one right there. You see our black 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.960 panther over there. Andy. That's nice. Yeah, that's that's a 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:27.760 nice touch. So the Dad's left, Lucas Austin Luke, good 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:28.920 to have you, man, Thank you. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:29.040 So. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.760 Luke was a storyteller too, he man, he had a 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.240 home run on the last the last story on this 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.480 first episode he did. It was fantastic, it really was, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.800 and I told it so so, Luke, Luke, I've known 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.320 you most of my life, but we weren't our circles 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:50.200 never they overlapped briefly because you're enough younger than me. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.320 And uh and then when you and Scott when you 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.600 came to Fatteville, it was about the time I was 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:01.240 leaving Fayetteville, right, And uh, I remembered you as a 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.400 as a young pup, your dad bringing you the bow shoots, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:09.280 and I mean you was a youngster. And uh, I remember, 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.720 so I've known you. When you said a long time, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:12.840 that's that's accurate. 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.480 Yeah, you know where I remember your face most. Lucas 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:23.440 was on uh, polaroid pictures at the bow shop for real. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.960 Oh killer, There's just some things you just remember. Yeah, 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.880 I remember seeing, you know, this guy four or five 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.640 years older than me that was killing deer and hogs 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.880 and stuff. I feel like you killed. I feel like 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.599 I remember there was a picture of you a hog. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.880 So anyway, just stuff you remember. But uh, no, I 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.839 told I told Luke that for what a lot of times. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.480 For what I'm trying to do in a stories podcast, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.520 a sentimental story is a hard one to pull off, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.640 and I'm glad I didn't tell him. I'm glad I 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.880 didn't coach him because I just trusted him that he 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.880 would know how to handle a story. I often coach 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:08.360 people not to tell sentimental stories because everybody's got one 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.440 and they don't always translate. Do you understand what I'm saying. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.920 I mean, I'm not trying to be like mean or something, 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.680 but like, everybody's got a story about whether kids first 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.240 deer or this or that, and a lot of times 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.400 it's super meaningful to you, but as far as entertainment value, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.760 it's hard to translate. He knocked it out of the 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.960 park with this one, Like the I meant it, I 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.560 meant it when I said, sitting there listening to you 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.920 tell the story, I was like, take that gun away 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:42.720 from that book. And then and then then Ryan gives 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.840 him the gun and I'm like, oh, dang. I was 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.040 a little upset. I was like, shoot, I didn't really 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.200 want him to take it. And then he gets to 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:52.880 beat and I'm like, yeah, he's about to shoot that 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.960 buck and he's like nope, and I'm like, no, Luke, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.800 don't give it back to it. Back when I knew Luke, 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:03.520 he'd have shot the two dos I ever got there. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.120 That's why I made this statement that I have not 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:11.760 always been this way, because yeah, one, because when Aaron 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.000 and I run around together, there was nothing safe with me. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.480 And the things have sure changed. They sure have a 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:20.760 lot of things have changed. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:29.880 Well, now to go back, so, so, Lucas, Aaron, and Andy, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:35.600 y'all all knew each other real well for years and years. Aaron, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.160 tell me how you met Lucas. 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:44.080 I was a sophomore or a junior, probably sophomore in college. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:49.280 Went to the University of Arkansas, and well about the 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.680 first week I walked into a computer class. I don't 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.800 even remember what the class was called, but Anyway, I 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.360 walked in there and I was lost and just just 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.120 trying to find somebody. It looked like me, you know, 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.560 to sit by. And I saw no we sitting over 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.000 the High Country Archery shirt on. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:04.120 And. 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.000 That's a mark right there, and I'm. 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:14.480 Gonna go sit by him. And anyway, we become best 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:15.440 friends immediately. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.720 Mm we we did? 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:19.680 That? Was it? When? 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:26.200 After that? So in our deer camp the next fall? Yes? Yeah, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.200 Now that brings up an interesting name, high Country. When 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.120 you told that story to me the other day, what 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.640 the high Country used to be? This is a little 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.080 bit of a rabbit trail. But dad will Dad was 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.360 a big high country man. Back in the day. High 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.719 Country was the top of the line bow in the 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:48.440 nineteen nineties. It was. It was hard to beat. It 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:53.440 was fast, good looking, it was. It was I'd like 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:59.720 to do a marketing a marketing inquiry and a business 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.000 like to understand what happened because they could. They were 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.000 so big. The name was so good, the bows were 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.720 so good. And today I think they're actually still in business. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.680 I think the name, I think they're still in business, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.000 but they're like not a major player. Unfortunately. It'd be 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.760 interesting to find out what happened. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.240 You know, I would bet I would bet they bought 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.800 an airplane. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.800 What do you mean a lot of companies? You tell 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.880 me what you mean? Well, uh, it's kind of a dealing. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.920 If you get your you know, you first time you 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.480 really get in a big buck, you want an airplane, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.040 and sometimes you buy it about ten years. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:46.760 Too early, Mike dropped moment from the old banker bought 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.719 an airplane. What kind of high countries did you have? 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:50.240 Oh? 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.920 I had ex caliber, Yeah. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:10:00.400 Yeah, I had several, and I blew a lot of up. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:00.960 You know. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.160 They I got one shooting three hundred and forty feet 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.360 per second back when guys were shooting two twenty, you know. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.920 And I mean you just won a big archery tournament 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.440 with it because I could shoot out to forty yards 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.559 pretty flat. I mean you put it at forty yards 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.400 and just come up two inches and wacko, and uh. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.360 I you know, it was pretty amazing. 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.880 Took it home and I thought, I'm going to go 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.000 to this really big shoot down in South Arkansas. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.600 With a bunch of fannies. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.079 And I pulled my bowl back in the backyard and 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.920 both limbs just folded up. And I never went to 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:45.120 another tournament until you know, Louie Dell got me to 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.440 go to a tournament one year out of his house, 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.679 and so I just quitch tournaments after that. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.800 There was a bow shopping Warren, and this was probably 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:01.640 been man, it was rarely. It was late eighties, maybe 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.200 ninety at the most, and they had a seventy pound 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.880 high Country in there, and I knew the guy that 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.720 run the bow shop and he said, Man, you gotta 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.000 shoot this thing, he said, So, I said what you 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.240 said on He said, seventy pounds, that's all. Yeah, I 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.040 can pull that back. I was worried I wasn't gonna 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.199 have children for a long time. That was the hardest. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.720 That thing was stout, buddy. I mean you had bows 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.360 back then. A seventy pound bow pulling back today and 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.240 one back thirty years ago. I guess that's been thirty 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.880 years in it. It's a big difference. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:33.400 So it was. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.600 I remember that was my first introduction to the high Country. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:41.439 Was that was a man's bow. Yeah, man, I didn't 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:41.800 get one. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.040 Er, Andy, when did you start bow hunting? 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:52.199 Nineteen ninety five? I believe so I was fifteen and 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:52.800 nine year. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.480 How much younger Aaron's older brother. I think there's three 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.000 and a half years between us. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.320 Yeah, so I just wasn't strong enough to shoot a 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.080 compound bow until you know, ninety five. Really, I shot 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.000 a crossbow there for a couple of years, and uh 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.440 started bowl hunting ninety five and that was the first 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.040 year that I hadn't even killed a deer before then 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.960 at all, and hunted a lot. And I think in 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.040 the podcast last week, Aaron you mentioned, you know, how 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.599 hard it was to even kill a deer with a 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.719 bow back then. Uh, you know, I don't know if 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.720 it was just a lack of experience or what it was, 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.560 but we it wasn't. I mean, I was hunting hard 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.920 out there and just you know, wasn't seeing the number 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.120 of deer. And anyway, that first year that I started 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.679 bow hunting, ninety five, I killed my limit. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.319 I limited out that very first year. And uh so, yeah, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.720 ninety five, yep, ninety five. Dad brought up an interesting 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.840 name there that came upon the podcast Louis Delle Louis. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:54.280 If you if you've listened to the Beargrease podcasts, you 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.040 know who Louisdale and Charlie Edwards are. I actually went 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.559 back and listened to all three of those episodes from 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.160 early in the Bear Grease world on Loue Dale and Charlie. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.280 Because on this episode lou Deale and Charlie came up. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.520 You probably knew them pretty good, didn't you lose? 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.160 Yeah this, you know, coming from a dog hunting family, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.880 you know, there were just certain areas of dog men, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.800 you know, and you knew not to go that way 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.480 with your dogs because that Edwards, you know, that was 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.520 their territory. We had our territory, and uh, you know, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.199 and back then everybody had a pen full of dogs. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:38.560 And of course my family was similar to what Travis 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.760 Ross said. They running his dad, Jean, and my dad 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.840 and uncle and all them running the same circles. 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:44.200 You know. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.280 Okay, so your dad fox and wolf hunting was the 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.319 main thing, and uh, and then they just ran ran deer. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.640 When season opened, it wasn't that they had specific deer dogs. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.880 They just had running dogs that would run a deer. 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.120 You told me how many many dogs your dad and 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:02.280 uncle had at one time. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.560 Between my dad, my uncle, and my grandpa, it was 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.480 not uncommon for us to have fifty hounds. And when 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:14.240 I say fifty hounds, I'm talking fifty walker running dogs, 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:18.480 not tree They were specific to running kyotes and fox 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:23.200 and deer. And uh so I grew up in that 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.280 still hunting was not in my family, so I kind 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.400 of broke the mold with still hunting. You know, in 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.840 my my dad's generation, there were no deer, kind of 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.880 like Andy Brown talking about his dad, Barney, who I 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:45.000 knew as a young man. He was a character, let 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:50.240 me tell you. And if you were offended by language, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.160 you would get offended quickly with it in his presence. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:54.680 But he was. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.240 He was a good man. Loved them July hounds, and 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.680 Andy even mentioned, you know, his dad casting them July 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.960 as well. I come from a family of folks. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:06.720 That hated julyes. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.040 Oh really, yeah, my, if it wasn't a walker, it 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:11.560 wasn't worth having now. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:13.680 But a July as a walker? 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:15.600 Not in my world? 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.560 Okay, uh not in my world. They weren't. But they 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.600 looked there were. They were a tricolored white, black and 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.440 brown dog. Did they would they have looked any different? 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:29.320 They were built built basically the same, but there was 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.280 you could tell looking at them if it was a walker, 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:32.320 if his July. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.240 What would a July would be? 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:40.200 Sleeker, thinner, not necessarily, uh maybe, but more they're coloring. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.200 They'd be more of a yellowish color. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:44.680 Uh, then have a lot of white on them. 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.880 You said, really they were they were really they were 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.480 not black white ten They were kind of yellow yellow 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:52.040 black tan. 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:52.600 Okay. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.560 Uh, but it is always fun to listen to them 0:15:55.560 --> 0:16:00.120 old timers, you know, fuss the July men, very wi 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.560 is the Walker men. I mean, it was a dividing line. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.400 It was just like OU and OSU. If you're if 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.840 you're a Sooner fan, if you're a Cowboy fan, you know, 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:10.640 you could get in to fight quick. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.480 Now. Travis said something that I would have qualified, but 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.520 I kind of just let it go. He said his 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:22.240 dad was a fox and wolf hunter. Yes, sir, which 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.720 we all know and he knows it too, that there 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.240 hadn't been wolves around here for one hundred years, right, 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.120 or probably one hundred and thirty years, but. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.280 That was what everybody referred to as you know, I 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.880 guess back in the original days of whenever it was 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.240 one hundred and thirty years ago or whatever long ago 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:46.360 it was, we did have wolves and uh. But when 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.640 you hear somebody talking about fox and wolf dogs, that's 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:49.360 what they're talking about. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:49.960 Coyotes. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.720 Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of just a given. I 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.640 knew he was talking about running kyotes. Yep, and he 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:56.120 did too. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:56.520 Yeah. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:57.600 Fox and Wolf Hunter. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:57.960 Yeah. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.600 If you're seeing the associations around the state still to 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.800 this day, they don't say fox and Coat, it's Fox 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:09.600 and Wolf Foxner associations. Yeah, huh, at least the ones 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:10.480 I'm familiar with. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.520 Dad. Did you know Barney Brown and his dad? I 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:18.000 did not. He dies in the mid nineties. Maybe, Yeah, 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.600 we're pretty young. We're Scott and I were. There's about 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:22.720 a year difference to Scott and I. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:23.600 He was. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.640 Probably ten or so when his when his grandpa passed. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.520 Uh. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.800 He loved his hounds, probably more I mean I and 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.119 you you've probably heard Andy say this very thing that 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.639 the dogs ate before the family did. I mean, he 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.000 cared for his dogs and because they put meat on 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.360 the table, you know, it was it's kind of a net. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.840 It was a tool. Yeah. And uh, does your family, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.679 any of your family still run dogs? They do not. 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.679 Most of My family's gone. My uncle still living, but 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.600 in poor health. And he was the he was the 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.280 sure enough dog man of and who was that. Uh, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:10.639 everybody's gonna know him as as dude Austin. His his handle, 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.480 his CB handle is the watchmaker. 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.040 Okay. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.000 He he worked at Thomas Jewelry and had his own 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.840 jewelry store for years, and he his trade was working 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:22.480 on watches. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.240 Okay, okay? 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.280 Is it? Are you a little bit sad that that's gone? 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:34.480 I am because some of my greatest memories of my 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:39.639 my previous generations, my father, my grandfather, my uncle, and 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.439 all those guys that a lot of them have passed 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.600 on our memories that I was that were made with dogs, 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:51.119 and and it was a totally different kind of hunting. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.120 And I know, for for folks that have never done 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.120 it, it might have been you know, it might have been controversial. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:58.280 It was never controversial. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:18:58.560 For me. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:03.160 I understood, Yeah, you know, I understood the game because 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.719 I saw the love and respect that my family had 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:13.760 for their hounds and the feeling two different, two totally 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.600 different feelings that you get from running dogs to steal 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:24.480 hunting running dogs an adrenaline rush, like like I can't explain, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:29.320 you know, And there ain't no deer management with that. 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.000 You're not you're not being very select You're not being 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.880 very selective, you know, as I've heard my uncle say 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.359 plenty of times. You know, you just you just build 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.440 a fence of bullets and hope they run into it. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.680 And but most of them guys did it not for 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:49.480 not for killing anything. They want to hear good race. Yeah, 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.000 And so having a good dog was was better than 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.000 money and because you could sit. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.440 Around and talk about it. A good dog for. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:03.440 Generations and he's gone, you know. And some of the 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.280 finest men I ever knew, the best storytellers. 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.080 I ever knew, we were dog hunters. They could tell 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.400 a story. And it's kind of an art to telling 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.439 a good story. And not everybody is home their craft. 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:19.000 I'm afraid I want to get off on a wild 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.480 goose chase here, But I'm afraid our younger generations are 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.159 losing that because of social media and texting and the 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.560 lack of communication. But I'm gonna tell you something, telling 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:34.920 a story to me will last outlast most things, because 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.000 people are gonna remember a story that they heard, you know, 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.760 just like all of us in here right now, I 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.359 could tell so many stories that we'd be here a week. 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.640 And I'm not sure that a younger person could could 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.240 duplicate that, because I don't know that they've soaked it 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:56.720 all in or know how to articulate what they've seen, 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:02.520 what they've experienced. Extremely thankful to have been exposed to 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.280 people that could tell stories, have some stories of my own, 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.600 and and so very important. 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:22.200 Yeah, did y'all have any exposure to dog hunting, Aaron Andy, 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:27.120 Very little, but we did have some. So listen. In Arkansas, 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:31.720 there's like basically four regions of Arkansas. There's the Ozarks, 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.440 there's the Washitalls, which is a southern mountainous region, It's 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.920 the Gulf Coastal Plain, and there's the Delta. It's not 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:45.160 really four quadrants, but it's like that. In the mountains. Well, 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:47.600 I mean fifty years ago, you could have run dogs 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.760 anywhere in the whole state, and that would have been 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.600 common throughout the southern United States. Running deer with dogs 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:58.320 was the way that deer were hunted. And then gradually 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:07.560 just things changed and dog hunting in the Delta it 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.040 was less practical there because of lots of private land. 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.080 But in the Ozarks. I heard I heard this from 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:18.160 someone who knows the story that in the nineties there 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.360 was a commissioner of the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.879 that lived in the Ozarks. That just wanted dog hunting gone, 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:25.280 and that was his agenda on his seven year term 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:28.040 as a Game and Fish officer was to eliminate dog 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.280 hunting in the Ozarks, and he did that. 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.679 I was going to say, I think one reason we 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.800 weren't exposed as much as we hunted public land. Yeah, 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.200 and I think just prior to when we really got 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.119 to hunting, they'd banned hunting with dogs on public land. 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:43.959 There's the early nineties. 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.240