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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Neukman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore. Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the bear Grease Render Podcast. So for anybody

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Speaker 1: that is new to this the bear Grease world, the

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Speaker 1: Render podcast is where we talk about the bear Grease podcast.

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Speaker 1: Bear Grease podcast is a documentary style podcast. Brent right, right,

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Speaker 1: and so the Render is where we gather up an

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Speaker 1: eclectic crew of usually just like gritty Americans that come

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Speaker 1: in here, and we talked about last week's podcast. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped about the eclectic group of people that we

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Speaker 1: have here today. So I do my introductions. To my left,

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Speaker 1: Brent Reeves looking sharp.

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Speaker 2: Brother, always clean, socks good right one left.

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Speaker 1: Good man, You're you're this country Life So Brent's the

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Speaker 1: host of this country life podcast. We'll come back to that.

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Speaker 1: To your left two brothers that you guys are like

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Speaker 1: legends in my world. I mean, I'm not kidding I'm

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Speaker 1: going to tell you why I understand it. I've got

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Speaker 1: Andy and Aaron Stanful here today. Aaron was a storyteller

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Speaker 1: on the Dear Stories podcast and he's going to have

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Speaker 1: another story on the next podcast. But let me describe

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Speaker 1: how I know these guys and then friend, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I went to prison in two thousand and three. I

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Speaker 1: knew no. So I was one of my heroes and

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Speaker 1: still is to this day. Is Scott Brown. Scott was

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Speaker 1: like four years older than me, which is the perfect

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Speaker 1: age to idolize somebody and to kind of be influenced

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Speaker 1: by who they are. Scott went to the University of Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: I get married, My first married home was in Faedville.

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Speaker 1: I start working and Scott was from my hometown. Me

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Speaker 1: and Scott start working together, which has worked the same

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Speaker 1: place and so and by that time, Scott had knew

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Speaker 1: you guys and was hunting with y'all, and he talked

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Speaker 1: about you guys like y'all were just like the best

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Speaker 1: hunters that ever lived. He did, and so I just

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Speaker 1: I believed him back then, And no, no, no, do

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Speaker 1: you remember remember one time Aaron, I rode in the

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Speaker 1: truck with you and Scott to go hunting. See, I

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Speaker 1: was just like a little pip squeak. It was just like,

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Speaker 1: it's just like Brown, who's this guy? Why is he here?

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Speaker 1: That's the way I felt around you.

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Speaker 3: It seemed like a group of guys. We hunted all

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Speaker 3: the time. Me, Lucas Scott. We went to the management

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, as I remember it, So you don't.

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Speaker 1: But didn't you come to our camp one year?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah I did, so that would have been after that,

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Speaker 1: probably the same year. Okay, y'all camped in some public

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Speaker 1: ground over here, and I went to the camp and

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Speaker 1: it was all the guys. I'm getting ahead of myself.

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Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and introduce the whole crew, so

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Speaker 1: our our buddy here can jump in to Aaron's left.

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Speaker 1: Is my dad, Gary the Believer? Nukem? How's it going

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Speaker 1: to do? You hear your name come up in the podcast?

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Speaker 5: Come down me and I love it. I'm getting all

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Speaker 5: most of amous is old render man over there. Yeah

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Speaker 5: you agreed with me too. Didn't you knew it was

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Speaker 5: a black panther that stole? There's no question about that.

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Speaker 5: I mean everybody knows that the rector cougar won't go

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Speaker 1: It's like that one right there. You see our black

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Speaker 1: panther over there. Andy. That's nice. Yeah, that's that's a

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Speaker 1: nice touch. So the Dad's left, Lucas Austin Luke, good

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Speaker 1: to have you, man, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: Luke was a storyteller too, he man, he had a

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Speaker 1: first episode he did. It was fantastic, it really was,

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Speaker 1: and I told it so so, Luke, Luke, I've known

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Speaker 6: leaving Fayetteville, right, And uh, I remembered you as a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know where I remember your face most. Lucas

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Speaker 1: Oh killer, There's just some things you just remember. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember there was a picture of you a hog.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, just stuff you remember. But uh, no, I

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Speaker 1: told I told Luke that for what a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: For what I'm trying to do in a stories podcast,

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Speaker 1: a sentimental story is a hard one to pull off,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad I didn't tell him. I'm glad I

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Speaker 1: didn't coach him because I just trusted him that he

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Speaker 1: would know how to handle a story. I often coach

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Speaker 1: people not to tell sentimental stories because everybody's got one

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Speaker 1: and they don't always translate. Do you understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to be like mean or something,

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Speaker 1: but like, everybody's got a story about whether kids first

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Speaker 1: it's super meaningful to you, but as far as entertainment value,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to translate. He knocked it out of the

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Speaker 1: meant it when I said, sitting there listening to you

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Speaker 1: tell the story, I was like, take that gun away

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Speaker 1: from that book. And then and then then Ryan gives

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Speaker 5: That's why I made this statement that I have not

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Speaker 6: And the things have sure changed. They sure have a

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Speaker 1: Well, now to go back, so, so, Lucas, Aaron, and Andy,

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Speaker 3: I was a sophomore or a junior, probably sophomore in college.

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Speaker 4: That's a mark right there, and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna go sit by him. And anyway, we become best

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Speaker 1: Mm we we did?

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Speaker 1: After that? So in our deer camp the next fall? Yes? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now that brings up an interesting name, high Country. When

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Speaker 1: the high Country used to be? This is a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a rabbit trail. But dad will Dad was

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Speaker 1: a big high country man. Back in the day. High

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. It was. It was hard to beat. It

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Speaker 1: was fast, good looking, it was. It was I'd like

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Speaker 1: to do a marketing a marketing inquiry and a business

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Speaker 1: like to understand what happened because they could. They were

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Speaker 1: so big. The name was so good, the bows were

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Speaker 1: so good. And today I think they're actually still in business.

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Speaker 1: I think the name, I think they're still in business,

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Speaker 1: but they're like not a major player. Unfortunately. It'd be

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Speaker 1: interesting to find out what happened.

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Speaker 5: You know, I would bet I would bet they bought

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Speaker 1: What do you mean a lot of companies? You tell

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Speaker 1: me what you mean? Well, uh, it's kind of a dealing.

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Speaker 5: If you get your you know, you first time you

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Speaker 5: and sometimes you buy it about ten years.

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Speaker 1: Too early, Mike dropped moment from the old banker bought

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Speaker 1: an airplane. What kind of high countries did you have?

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Speaker 1: I had ex caliber, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had several, and I blew a lot of up.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: They I got one shooting three hundred and forty feet

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Speaker 5: And I mean you just won a big archery tournament

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Speaker 5: with it because I could shoot out to forty yards

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Speaker 5: pretty flat. I mean you put it at forty yards

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Speaker 5: Took it home and I thought, I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: With a bunch of fannies.

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Speaker 5: And I pulled my bowl back in the backyard and

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Speaker 2: There was a bow shopping Warren, and this was probably

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Speaker 2: shoot this thing, he said, So, I said what you

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Speaker 2: said on He said, seventy pounds, that's all. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: have children for a long time. That was the hardest.

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Speaker 2: That thing was stout, buddy. I mean you had bows

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Speaker 2: back then. A seventy pound bow pulling back today and

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Speaker 2: one back thirty years ago. I guess that's been thirty

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Speaker 4: So it was.

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Speaker 2: I remember that was my first introduction to the high Country.

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Speaker 2: Was that was a man's bow. Yeah, man, I didn't

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Speaker 1: Er, Andy, when did you start bow hunting?

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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety five? I believe so I was fifteen and

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Speaker 1: How much younger Aaron's older brother. I think there's three

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Speaker 1: and a half years between us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just wasn't strong enough to shoot a

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Speaker 3: compound bow until you know, ninety five. Really, I shot

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Speaker 3: a crossbow there for a couple of years, and uh

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Speaker 3: started bowl hunting ninety five and that was the first

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Speaker 3: the podcast last week, Aaron you mentioned, you know, how

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Speaker 3: but we it wasn't. I mean, I was hunting hard

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Speaker 6: Between my dad, my uncle, and my grandpa, it was

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Speaker 6: He was a good man. Loved them July hounds, and

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Speaker 6: If you're seeing the associations around the state still to

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Speaker 6: Most of My family's gone. My uncle still living, but

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Speaker 1: third shot I got that next one, but man, it

439
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: was awesome. I mean, we were all excited and I was,

440
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: I was hoping to holler and had a great time

441
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: doing that. I'd like to have got to do that more. Yeah, yeah,

442
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, to me, it's a lot, it's a lot

443
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: bigger issue than just can you do it in one

444
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: spot or not. When you look across the big traditions

445
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: of hunting in North America, there's really not a lot

446
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: of places where you can still run dogs. And I

447
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: said on the podcast, I grew up as a bow

448
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: hunter in an area where they could run dogs, and

449
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: I killed a few deer in front of dogs unt

450
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: with the cunning Hams, some good friends of mine, and uh,

451
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: and I loved it. But it's you know, we didn't

452
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: have deer dogs. That's not the way we hunted. Dad

453
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: was a bow hunter. But now I am adamant. I mean,

454
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: just I'll debate anybody in the world Brent Reeves on

455
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: the the just the importance, the cultural importance of keeping

456
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: some of this stuff alive. I mean, and yeah, and

457
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: if you live in some area where they're running dogs

458
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: and you don't want to have dogs, and I you know,

459
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: I could talk about the pros and cons, and the

460
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: cons would be dogs don't understand private property, lines and

461
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: they just don't and the deer's going to run somewhere

462
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: and the dog's gonna follow it. And man, the way

463
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: that that was handled in the decades past, when people

464
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: knew their neighbors, they they understood kind of what people

465
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: were doing. Is they just they just kind of tolerated

466
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: when things when a dog came across, or when it

467
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: was just kind of a known thing. And and it worked.

468
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: That a system that worked. And then as the world

469
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: has changed, which it has, a lot people are moving

470
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: into these rural areas. I mean in the seventies, eighties

471
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: and nineties where we all grew up, there wasn't a

472
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: lot of people quote unquote yeah outside, Yeah, there was

473
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: no reason to go there. Today, a lot of people

474
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: buying recreational property in rural America everywhere, coming from different places,

475
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: and and so it's a lot more of a society

476
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: that is it doesn't know each other, that's and so

477
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: there's there's there was a system that worked, and it's

478
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: much harder now. And and even back then when I

479
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: was a kid, I remember people that hated the dog

480
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: runners for sure, and uh, and in my mind, it's

481
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: like for what we're for what we're up against culturally.

482
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, and I love that

483
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: there's still there's still a lot of dog running going on.

484
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: A lot of families are still are still doing it,

485
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: and even even some younger generation to people that are

486
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: still running dogs and whatnot.

487
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's not it's not extinct. In some of

488
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 6: the counties that you have a lot of national forest

489
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 6: in Scott Montgomery Polk, still still a lot of dog hunters.

490
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: You know.

491
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 6: And I miss it just because you know, it was

492
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 6: a it was something that generations of my family did

493
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 6: and uh and still have you know, the connection to

494
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 6: the memories that were made doing all those things, and

495
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 6: and you know, I could probably reel off ninety percent

496
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 6: of the dogs that my uncle and my dad owned.

497
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 6: I could still I could describe them to you, tell

498
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 6: them to tell you their names and all those things.

499
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 4: And uh uh.

500
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 6: It was the night before modern gun Deer season in

501
00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 6: my family was was better than Christmas Eve gather at

502
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 6: my grandparents' house. And my grandpa was a War two veteran,

503
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 6: hardest working man I ever knew, ever will know. He

504
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 6: had no hobbies zero, but other than he liked to

505
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 6: go deer hunting. And carried a shot gun buckshot. He'd

506
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 6: shoot the whirl down.

507
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: He shot.

508
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 6: I guess he shot at every dear everything and didn't

509
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 6: kill a lot. You know, he's kind of like, you know,

510
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 6: kind of like Barney Brown. My grandpa was born. It

511
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 6: was either in nineteen sixteen or nineteen seventeen, and one time,

512
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 6: my grandpa was not one to throw a lot of

513
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 6: kudos your way, a lot of compliments.

514
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: He was a real tough guy.

515
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 6: But I skinned a deer one day in front of him,

516
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 6: and he said, you know what you're doing right there,

517
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 6: And that was maybe one of the first and only

518
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 6: compliments I ever got for my grandfather and got all that.

519
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: It meant the world to me.

520
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 6: You know that I had a skill that my grandpa

521
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 6: thought was pretty neat. But I think that year, I

522
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 6: think in that one season, I killed more deer in

523
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 6: one season my grandpa did in his entire life. And

524
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 6: my grandpa lived to be eighty three years old, so

525
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 6: he was in that generation of where there were no

526
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 6: deer at all. You know, I can remember a story.

527
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 6: I can't remember who told this story, but I know

528
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 6: it was true because I heard it from more than

529
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 6: one person that somebody had not made it to church

530
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 6: that Sunday morning, and on the wherever they were at

531
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 6: to send it deer across the road, and they drove

532
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 6: to the church house, kicked open the door, and announced

533
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 6: to the congregation in the middle of the sermon, I

534
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 6: just seen it deer across the road. And everybody filtered

535
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 6: out of the church house, went to the house, gathered

536
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 6: the dogs, and the race commenced. And to the best

537
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 6: of my knowledge, this occurred in July.

538
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: It was.

539
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 6: It was not even a hint of deer. Season, you know,

540
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 6: season didn't Season did not matter. They've seen it, Dear,

541
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 6: They're gonna they're gonna do their best try to collect it.

542
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: So, Brent, of the stories you heard, which one stood

543
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: out to you? So there was seven seven stories on

544
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: this episode.

545
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: Well, they were all good.

546
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: Uh. I figured you'd probably like mine the best.

547
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 4: Did you tell one?

548
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: Probably the apple story? M hmm was great, Craig.

549
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: It was.

550
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: It was, absolutely it was wonderful. And while I was

551
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: listening to it, I could I could see he told

552
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: the story very well, and I could say when he

553
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: dropped that apple, when apple started rolling, I thought, Oh,

554
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: I know where this is going.

555
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: Man, Oh, did you think he was gonna call it, dear.

556
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: I did.

557
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: I did, I really did. I thought this is going

558
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: to be good, and it fell out. It went that

559
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: way because I was reminded of a story a friend

560
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: of mine told me twenty years ago when when the

561
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: snort weeze craze just started coming out, he said, no.

562
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 7: Deer never did that before. Two thousand and one, exactly before.

563
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 7: But he said, he said, I bought one of these things.

564
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 7: He said, I climbed up on my deer stand. He said,

565
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 7: I was sitting there, he said, I when I first

566
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 7: sat down on that stand, he said, I pulled it

567
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 7: out of my pocket. He said, I didn't know which

568
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 7: end of this thing to blow. He said, I just

569
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 7: went and blowed it like that. He said, I looked

570
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 7: at it the next thing I know. I mean it

571
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 7: was a good deer. It's a one hundred and forty

572
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 7: inch deer come crashing through and he shot him at

573
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 7: the bottom of his stand, just from that one little

574
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 7: blow thing, you know that he did, he said, And

575
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 7: he wasn't even close to what it sounded like, he said,

576
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 7: but I heard it coming. So they reminded me of

577
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 7: that story that I had.

578
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: You know, some unexpected calling in a deer exactly. Yeah.

579
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: And I killed a turkey one time in Missouri, crossing

580
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: the fence, and I was a lot closer to that

581
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: turkey than I thought. When I put my hand on

582
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: that barb war it screeched in the in the staple,

583
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: it went in the turkey golf. I said that by

584
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: the fence posting. Ten seconds later, the turkey poked his

585
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: head up over a heel and I killed him.

586
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 4: So I know what that guy was dealing with.

587
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, so identified you know this, this episode came together

588
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: and I had I had more. I've got twice as

589
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: many stories as what it's been told on this first one,

590
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: and I I cherry picked kind of entitled at the Unexpected,

591
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: because every story there was something unexpected that happened, from

592
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: Dale's Apple to Aaron Peen out of a tree calling

593
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: one in, to uh to uh most Shepherd's mysterious deer

594
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: in the tree, to Andy Brown's dad hitting one with

595
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: a truck.

596
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: Me.

597
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: I threw mine in just because I could my me,

598
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: my daughter down below me, which was just different.

599
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: That's the best story you have ever. You said that,

600
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: I loved it.

601
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: You know what I did. I told that story to Aaron.

602
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: I learned a trick a lot of times. If I'm

603
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: telling a story I recorded in here by myself and

604
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: he was here at the office. Aaron came here at

605
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: the office to tell me a story, and I said, hey,

606
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: let me tell you a story, and it was it

607
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: was easier. It's easier to like kind of. I feel

608
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: like you could do a part two, three, four through

609
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: thirty on deer stories and they would all be fantastic episodes,

610
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, really well, I'm gonna make at least

611
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: one more and maybe even two more. And uh, you know,

612
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: I could have done one on big Bucks. I probably

613
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: will at some point. It's not nearest fun well, it

614
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: might it would be. It could be, though. I mean

615
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: to hear everybody's like biggest Buck story. Might do one

616
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: on the deer that got away. You know, Dad tells

617
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: a story on the next one of a big one

618
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: that got away. It was a great story. I want

619
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: to go back though, to Dale Cragg and the Apple.

620
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: When Dale Craig told me that story, he I told

621
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: him afterwards, I said, that's one of the best stories

622
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: that I've ever heard told on this podcast. I thought

623
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: that just just the way, just the way it happened.

624
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: That's the kind of story I like. But Dale Craig

625
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that I don't. I can't

626
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: say that he's never listened to a podcast, but it

627
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: would not surprise me in the least if you just

628
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: if he said, Claire, I've never listened to a podcast

629
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: in my life. I mean, you know Dale Craig Dad,

630
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: You know him, Uh, he's he's a rural cattleman, cowboy, ferrier.

631
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: And I went to his house and this first time

632
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: I've been to his house. I kind of just have

633
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: known him most of my life and I went to

634
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: school with his boys, but they were just kind of

635
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: people I knew and always had a lot of respect for.

636
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: And so I finally went to his house and I said, man,

637
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: I'd love to see some of your deer. And he

638
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I got a few out here. And

639
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean people like me have him hanging on the

640
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: wall like right here, you know, and if I meet you,

641
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, you want to see my deer? Dale

642
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, I got a few. And we

643
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: went out to a storage building and he had some

644
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: racks in there and he pulled them out and set

645
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: them in the grass, and I mean they were just

646
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: all just it was five or six, you know, one

647
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: forty to one fifty inch deer. And I was just like,

648
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: oh man, wow, this and he's telling me the stories.

649
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: You know, this one came from here, and this one

650
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: came from here. Some of the places he could see

651
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: from his house. He looking miles away into the mountains

652
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: from his house. He'd say that deer came from over there.

653
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: And then he's like, come out here for a minute.

654
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: And we walk into his barn and these deer weren't up.

655
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: I envisioned, like just deer all over this barn. He

656
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: had barrels full of racks that he probably hadn't looked

657
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: at in fifteen years that he starts pulling out, and

658
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean like deer that would be mounted on my wall.

659
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: I mean, like one hundred and thirty five one hundred

660
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: and fifty inch deer just on the skull.

661
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 4: He just just admit something to him, wouldn't he as well?

662
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: It reminded me of again, I'm kind of reminiscent on

663
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: the Louisdale and Charlie episodes, but the final episode of

664
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: the louis Dale and Charlie series, I asked Stony Edwards.

665
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: I said, do you have a bunch of the racks

666
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: of the deer that your dad killed? And he was

667
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: like no. And I was like, what do you mean

668
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: you don't have any deer horns or your dad's and

669
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: he said they didn't keep them. I was just like

670
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: what and he said, he said, Clay, he said, when

671
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: we'd have deer camp, he said that week of deer camp,

672
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: whoever killed the biggest deer was a big deal, was

673
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: as big a deal as anything in the world. And

674
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: we'd have those racks setting over there, and he said

675
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: when we started packing up deer camp, Dad would have

676
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: to tell some kid, Hey, if you want to take

677
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: those horns home, you can. I mean, it just didn't

678
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: mean anything to him, and these horns meant something to Dale.

679
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: But my point is this guy is a big buck killer,

680
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: I mean a big buck killer, and you know he's

681
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: not advertising it to the world. He's not. I just

682
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: went to him and cherry picked some of his stories.

683
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: But those are the kind of guys I like to

684
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: have on the Bear Grease podcast, Guys like Luke and

685
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Aaron and Andy that hadn't been on many podcasts. Well,

686
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: he's a good storyteller. He did a great job of that.

687
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

688
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something. He is he is

689
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 6: one of the hardest working human beings that's ever lived.

690
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 6: And probably it'd be hard to it'd be hard to

691
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 6: argue this probably one of the most successful cattle ranchers.

692
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: Around.

693
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 6: And he is a working dude, and he has he

694
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 6: has raised some hard working deer killing machines too, and

695
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 6: his daughter is one of them. She's killed some thumpers.

696
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 6: But he's he's taught all his kids, Yeah, to live life,

697
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 6: live a life like him, hard working ex you know,

698
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 6: good hunters. So yeah, Dale, could they could sit around

699
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 6: and tell you stories till the cows came home?

700
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: Literally?

701
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: M h Yeah, that was a good one. Andy, which

702
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: which of the stories did you like? Man?

703
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: I remember listening to the episode, I thought, man, this

704
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: is you know, I'm going to talk about this one.

705
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: I mean, every every one of these guys, you know,

706
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: had had something that really struck home with me. You know,

707
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 3: I just went through the roller coaster emotions throughout the

708
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: whole episode. I felt like, uh, you know, some of

709
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: them are funny. Eron's and Andy's were hilarious, you know,

710
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: and Uh.

711
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: Were you surprised when Annie's dad ran that deer over?

712
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: Unbelievable? You know, to back over the thing again. Was

713
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: just putting the icing on the cake for me. But

714
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: you know, back then, like he said, you know, it

715
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: was you know, there wasn't all that very many deer.

716
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: So when you've seen, when you finally seen a deer,

717
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: you did what you had to do to put meat

718
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: on the table. So that's just where we come from.

719
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: And I really appreciate that that episode or that and

720
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: telling that story, but uh, no for me, you know,

721
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: Luke yours really. I mean, I just want to give

722
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 3: you a big old bear hug when you finish, you know, man,

723
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: because I can relate with that.

724
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a six year old boy and

725
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm getting in you know.

726
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: Uh, he's finally getting into it, you know, and he's

727
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: really wanting to be out there. And and this is

728
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: our first year, opening day of weekend, opening weekend of

729
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: both seasons, our first time get out there. And you know,

730
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: every year previously, I've been shooting my bowl a lot,

731
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: you know, in the summer and getting ready and doing

732
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: it all for me. But it's not about me right now.

733
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: It's I just want to get him going. So I

734
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: related to you, you know so much. It's a huge

735
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: sacrifice for you to let you know, him pull the

736
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: trigger on it. And uh yeah, I was basically just

737
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: about in tears at the end of your at the

738
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: end of yours, like I said, I just want to

739
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: give you a big bear hug.

740
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: Yeah I had. I had a lot of feedback on yours, Luke.

741
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: A lot of people really said that was a neat story.

742
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: It was you did a really good job. Luke appreciate it. Yeah, Aaron,

743
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: which one stood out to you? And you can't say Luke's, now, okay, Luke's.

744
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: You could say mine, you want. If mine stood out

745
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: to you, that's fine. I'd like to hear about it.

746
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: But we've given Luke all credit he needs. I mean,

747
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: this is his like second podcast, so I don't want

748
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: him to like start thinking.

749
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 6: Hey man, you know, man, I'm too busy to be

750
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 6: a podcaster or so.

751
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: I liked all of them. I did, I liked I

752
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: didn't have a favorite. I did like the fact that

753
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: Andy Brown said he said, if we'd have met a car,

754
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: we'd just run over him.

755
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: Yeah a minute, Yeah, you know, yeah, man, stories like

756
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: Andy I'm cutting you off to be your turn just

757
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: a minute. To me, when I hear a good storyteller,

758
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: it's always some obscure thing they say that isn't relevant,

759
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, Is it highly relevant that you never forget?

760
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

761
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Andy said, we were coming down through there

762
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: and we're going so fast we to just run over somebody.

763
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: If we'd have seen him, you kind of you just

764
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: like he would have met a car. We'd run over them.

765
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: We did just run over them. Yeah, it's like kids

766
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: and cussing. You can be talked about anything and say

767
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: one cuss word and that's what the kid's gonna go

768
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 2: back in the house. How do you know that, Brent,

769
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I saw it on TV.

770
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, But I likeed Andy's honesty with his with

771
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: his dad. Yeah. I enjoyed that.

772
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the history of his dad and what that meant,

773
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: you know, to his dad. Killing a deer was a

774
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: big deal Feather family. It was part of the sport too.

775
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: But I mean, none of that deer went to waste.

776
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: It would be totally unethical today, you know, to do

777
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: something like that, But back then it was.

778
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: A different time. Yeah, I had enjoyed that. I really did.

779
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: I had to talk Andy into telling that story. So

780
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: Scott told me, he said, man, you ought to get

781
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: my dad to tell about Barnie Brown in that particular story.

782
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: And I had texted Andy and he he didn't respond

783
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: back immediately, and he called me and he said, Clay,

784
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: if I tell that story, they're going to run us

785
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: out of town or you know, something like that. And

786
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I said, I hear what you're saying.

787
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't want you to tell if

788
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: you don't want to, I said, for real, But I said,

789
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: I think we can give the context in such a

790
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: way that it'll be it'll actually be really powerful because

791
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: that's where we came from, whether we want to acknowledge

792
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: it or not. And I felt like it the he

793
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: did such a good job of telling the context, the

794
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: history of his dad, I mean, his dad going to

795
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: prison and you know, just the hard times, what it

796
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: meant for them to kill a deer. I mean, just

797
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: it was perfect. I loved it. I loved it. I

798
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: did too break it in Abner Store.

799
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 4: I wish.

800
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of listeners might not know what he

801
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: was talking about, right, I mean, it's lumb and Abner.

802
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 5: I mean they were the star Hollywood people and probably

803
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 5: what the twenties or so.

804
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: So the Dick, I'm glad you said that. So the Dick,

805
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: the Dick Huddleson store in pine Ridge, Arkansas was the

806
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: basically the home office of lum and Abner, which was

807
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: a national radio program that ran for twenty three years

808
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: in America. And these two basically these guys we talked

809
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: about them on our Arkansas podcast, we did, but Lumon

810
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: Abner were the face of the American hillbilly for twenty

811
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: three years when radio was the biggest thing. I mean,

812
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: they were national celebrities like you would have recognized the

813
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: President of the United States and Lomon Abner and and uh.

814
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: And they were based out of pine Ridge, Arkansas, down

815
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: there where we were at. And so the Dick Huddleston

816
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: Store was the Dick Huddleston Lumon Abner store.

817
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 6: The down store is still there today, it's.

818
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 5: Now you put a post of that store, yeah, a

819
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 5: couple of months ago.

820
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

821
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 5: So Barney, he he knew how to pickle man.

822
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, do I get the little grocery store

823
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: down here? The Lumon Abner stores yeah, well, I thought

824
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: it was interesting that they turned he turned himself in,

825
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: he went and told his uncle. You know, boy, I'd

826
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: like to hear how that story went, you know, yeah,

827
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: what happened there. But uh no, that was probably I'm

828
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: kind of like, I'm kind of like, well, a couple

829
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: of you have said all of them. All the stories

830
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: were really meaningful. Andy's was probably was my favorite, just

831
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: because it's so unique. He's just so gifted as a storyteller. Yeah,

832
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: it's yes, he's one of the best storyteller. Yeah.

833
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I've obviously I've known Andy my entire life,

834
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 6: spent a lot of time hunting with him, worked with

835
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 6: him for almost eleven years. And uh that guy can

836
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 6: tell a story like nobody else. And you you can

837
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 6: see the same thing. You be standing right next to him,

838
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 6: see the same thing, and he tells that story, and

839
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 6: you're sitting there the man that is a At times

840
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 6: you'll be like, no, wait a minute, was I was

841
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 6: I there? You know he's got a little more les. Yeah, yeah,

842
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 6: and uh oh, yeah, Scott's got some of the same. Yes,

843
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 6: Scott can tell he can tell a good story, but

844
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 6: uh Andy can sit around and tell you countless countless

845
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 6: stories about his dad, about all his wild youth and

846
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 6: and all the hunting trips he's been on. And he's

847
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 6: I know, he won't be offended to be telling this,

848
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 6: but he is literally a calamity just waiting to happen.

849
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 6: And you know he's he's notorist for dropping stuff out

850
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 6: of the tree stand. In fact, he dropped He dropped

851
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 6: his light out of his tree standing two days ago,

852
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 6: you know, and it's shining up in the tree.

853
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Right at him. Crawl down and get it. Yeah, he

854
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: crawled down, got it.

855
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 6: But uh uh, you know he's he come by it honest.

856
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 6: His dad, Barney was a storyteller. Uh Barney was Uh,

857
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 6: he was full of it. I mean he could he

858
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 6: could put a little icing on the cake and uh

859
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 6: uh but anyway, that.

860
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's to me, it's uh, it's a unique

861
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: intersection with somebody with a high level of competency and

862
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: a high level of ability to tell a story come together,

863
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: because anybody could. I mean, you could go to school

864
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: and learn how to tell the story, or you know,

865
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, storytelling is a big deal in the world. Really,

866
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: when you look at just even television, I mean, everything

867
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: is a story. But when you have somebody like Andy

868
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: who's a veteran hunter and is a is a what

869
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean, I would one say. I mean,

870
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: he's a bonafide woodsman for the woods. He hunts, he

871
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: knows what's going on, and so when when those two

872
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: things meet, it's it's pretty unique. Yeah, yeah, that which

873
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: one stood out to you? No question?

874
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 5: They were all pretty boring. And now I tell you what,

875
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 5: I did you remember that story?

876
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 6: No?

877
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: I did not.

878
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: It's not one I've really thought. I don't even know.

879
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 5: I didn't probably didn't even know what happened, but uh,

880
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 5: you know that it was pretty neat in that you

881
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 5: accomplished a lot that you you you you held up

882
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 5: your duties as a father, and you twisted it to

883
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 5: where you could deer hunt.

884
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: I think we've all done that one way or the other.

885
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: But probably you know. I'm like you, guys.

886
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 5: Every story was just unbelievable, but I would go with

887
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 5: most Shepherd.

888
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: Really, I mean, you find your deer up in a tree. Yeah.

889
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: And you know another thing I liked about it.

890
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 5: You know, I'm out of that age where I don't

891
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 5: know how to corn hunt, I don't know how to

892
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 5: put a camera on the side of a tree. I

893
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: just go out and hunt deer, and that's what he

894
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 5: was doing. He was out there just hunting deer the

895
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 5: old fashioned way, and he killed that buck and a

896
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 5: mountain lion pulled it up in that tree. I just

897
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 5: almost one hundred percent sure or a black panther. It

898
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 5: could have been a black panther.

899
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: That was That was part of Mo's story that if

900
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: you were paying attention, you would have caught something. He

901
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: said they were deer in that area in the fall,

902
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: and he hadn't even been in there scouting, but he

903
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: knew when the ice came that those deer were going

904
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: to be in those old home places with the greenbrier

905
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: above the ice. That's good woodsman. Yeah, he knew. He

906
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: didn't even have to go scout. He's just like, there'll

907
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: be deer there.

908
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 5: He wasn't hunting a pinch point or a trail. I mean,

909
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 5: he was hunting where they were going to eat.

910
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: And I can relate to that. So yep.

911
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, that was a significant ice storm that year. I

912
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: told you the story that the day. I remember, well,

913
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: I told you the story the other day of that

914
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: same ice storm. Yes, yeah, yeah, they were starving.

915
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: It was bad.

916
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had trails in that ice. That's the only

917
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: place they could walk. If they got off those cutout trails,

918
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: they were slipping and sliding everywhere.

919
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: What do y'all think happened to his deer? I mean,

920
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: there's there's debate you could debate, and it would just

921
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: be speculation of did a animal drag his deer from

922
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: that pool of blood? Because I mean a question I

923
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: would have had for it is like, wouldn't you have

924
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: seen drag marks through the ice, like if an like

925
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: if the deer had been laying there and something carried

926
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: it off, But the ice was so hard that they weren't.

927
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't like snow. So But there is not a

928
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: beast in these woods that carries like a jaguar or

929
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: a leopard carries stuff up in trees to eat. I

930
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: mean even a mountain lion doesn't do that. A bear

931
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. Oh you were serious when you said

932
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: they don't do that? Yeah? I thought you were. Could they? Well, well,

933
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: black panther will no. I mean, I'm I'm saying some

934
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: animal acted outside of its norm.

935
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: What do y'all think? Anybody have any Hey? I got

936
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 5: I got the answer. I know what happened. I mean,

937
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 5: I know black panthers, and I know I know mountain lions.

938
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 5: That mountain lion caught that deer right where the big

939
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 5: block of blood was, and he knew if he drug

940
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 5: it off, every animal in the woods would follow that trail.

941
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 5: So he ate quite a bit of it, cleaned the

942
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 5: blood up was real neat, drug it off, drug it up.

943
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: In that tree, and he was probably a black panther.

944
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 5: But I don't know that that could be crazy, but

945
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 5: I just know it could be the deer.

946
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: We all almost every deer I've had the track, I

947
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: don't like tracking them. They're going to do that.

948
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 5: They're gonna run, They're gonna lay down, they're gonna bleed,

949
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 5: they're gonna jump, and then the blood gets real thin.

950
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 5: So the deer probably laid down, something scared it, it

951
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 5: jumped ran off, and then the mountain lion came in

952
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 5: drugge good.

953
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 4: That's the good.

954
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: Maybe it jumped it and then it killed it somewhere else. Yeah.

955
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: The other part of the story was that it was

956
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: real steel deep country and Moe went downhill looking for

957
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: that deer. He kind of made an emphasis that he

958
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: was he didn't go uphill, but that deer was two

959
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: benches up. Yeah, but what do you think, Well, the

960
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: bobcat do that? I mean no, but bobcat won't do that.

961
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean they don't. It's not typical for and I

962
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: mean I'm not a bobcat. Well, I am a bobcat expert.

963
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: I mean, look at me. They're not a leopard or

964
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: African a jaguar. Leopard will take kills up in a tree.

965
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean typically, I don't think a Bobcat's gonna do that.

966
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't think.

967
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: They're big enough. Yeah, not as big as that deer was.

968
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: I thought maybe, and I listened to it. I had

969
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,959
Speaker 2: to back up. I thought, well, he shot the deer

970
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: and it jumped off that bench and letting a tree.

971
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: But it was up above where he shot him.

972
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 4: Correct.

973
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I went back and I thought that, mo,

974
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: I got your answer. I'm fished to call you up.

975
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: And I thought, wait a minute, maybe it was above

976
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: And so I went back to listen to it again,

977
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was above where he shot it. So

978
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: the only other thing other than something dragging it up

979
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: in that tree is it makes the loop and jumps.

980
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bed if Moe was here. I bet he'd

981
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: tell you that that physically wouldn't be possibve. I mean,

982
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: I I'm just.

983
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 4: Having the picture how he's describing it, you know.

984
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I found a deadhead one time,

985
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: about fifteen feet up in a tree. I have no

986
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: idea how I got up there. It was tangled in

987
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: like small small branches. Deerhead, Yeah, deerhead weapon a tree.

988
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of bald eagles, you know. The

989
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: deer may ran off. The deer may ran off and

990
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: died the moment I found it. It may have rotted down

991
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: the ground and buzzards, coons, everything might have chewed it

992
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: up for days, and then an old bald eagle may

993
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 3: come in there and grabbed it or I don't know,

994
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: I mean and put up in a tree.

995
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a melanistic bald eagle. There you go.

996
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 5: What do you got, Dad? You're right, I didn't know this.

997
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 5: Mountain lions do not carry prey up trees. So there

998
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 5: you go. I've been wrong my whole life.

999
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: I didn't say black pans, right. But here's the thing

1000
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: is that they're in all animals. There's a typical way

1001
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: in which they're going to act, and would a mountain

1002
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: line be capable of carrying a deer up a tree?

1003
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: And and the thing that's not up for the bait

1004
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: is that something carried that up a tree and it

1005
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: wasn't a human. I mean it's like a human didn't

1006
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: do it, an animal did it. So something did it

1007
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: that was here.

1008
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 4: And then it was.

1009
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: Pretty compelling to hear him say three years later he

1010
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: saw a mountain lion. And you know, for those of

1011
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: you guys that don't know Mo, in my mind, Moe

1012
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: is like highly credible in terms of any way I

1013
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: evaluate someone in the woods. I mean like he's he's

1014
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: a real deal, like a lot of these guys that

1015
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And so I mean he tells me

1016
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: he sees him out in line. I believe him, And

1017
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: so interesting story.

1018
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you spend as many hours in the woods

1019
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: as a guy like him, yeah, you're gonna have a

1020
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 3: story like that. I mean, everything happens to you, you know.

1021
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a great Have you ever seen him

1022
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: out in line?

1023
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 4: No? But he has.

1024
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: Have you you have seen one in Kansas?

1025
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 4: Oh?

1026
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: I have absolutely? You forgot I did. I wouldn't. Well,

1027
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: I was thinking around here.

1028
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, twelve thirty in the afternoon, eighty degrees middle of Kansas,

1029
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 3: wide open cattle pasture both sides of the road. Andy

1030
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: and I are driving down the dirt road and a

1031
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 3: cat jumps the road. I don't know if he landed

1032
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: once or twice, but he jumped a fence, jumps the fence,

1033
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: hits the road, jumps again over the fence, and just

1034
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: goes right out across a pasture.

1035
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: And was gone.

1036
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: Middle of the day. And there was no question what

1037
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: it was. Mm hm yeah, probably two thousand and ten,

1038
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: just guessing. Really, yeah, sure enough.

1039
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: Big can in Arkansas, you think, Andy.

1040
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: So, my cousin Jared and I were bow hunting around

1041
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 3: Eureka Springs and two the guy that owned the local bow.

1042
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: Shop whatever his name, I can't remember.

1043
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 3: We still got the bow shop over on Beaver Dam. Anyway,

1044
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 3: he had pictures of some cattle that had some claw

1045
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: marks on the hands of the cattle, and so anyway,

1046
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: going knowing that we uh we got permission to bow

1047
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: hunt on him and uh yeah. So we we were

1048
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 3: just sitting there bow hunting and a a doe come

1049
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 3: running through the field out of the woods, just really

1050
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 3: you know, running running hard.

1051
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: We thought, what in the world you know? And this

1052
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't all that far away.

1053
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: And I wish Jared was here too to confirm the story,

1054
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 3: but because it seems like you always need to people

1055
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 3: to confirm it.

1056
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're not. I know it sure enough. You know,

1057
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: here comes a big cat and it was it was

1058
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: right as a pasture. So you saw it playing his day.

1059
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: Blain's day, running over after this dough up over the

1060
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: hill and that was that. So as we sat there,

1061
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: Jared he always had a predator call in his pocket,

1062
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: and he thought it'd be funny or smart to try

1063
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: to call this thing in. He started, you know, on

1064
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: this call that like, what in the world are you doing?

1065
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: I was trying to get the heck out of there.

1066
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 4: That's the last with Jared.

1067
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't come back, didn't come back, didn't come back.

1068
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: Well interesting, I've never seen I've never seen one in Arkansas,

1069
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: seen seeing them in different parts of the world. But uh, Luke,

1070
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: which story stood out to you?

1071
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 6: Well, uh, just like the rest of you guys, they

1072
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 6: all stood out to me. The dog hunting connection with Travis.

1073
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it because talking about transitioning from being a

1074
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 6: lifer dog hunter, going all the way to the mountains

1075
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 6: to try this new method of hunting with Dale and

1076
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 6: to end up right back in the dog race. Because

1077
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 6: I've been in this, I've been in several situations exactly

1078
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 6: like that. You know, I'm off, you know, in the

1079
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 6: nineties and the early two thousands, trying to trying to

1080
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 6: still hunt. You're hear in the distance, you hear that

1081
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 6: dog open, and immediately you start looking to man the

1082
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 6: battle station because you know, golly, I'm sitting in the

1083
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 6: right spot right here, and a lot of times here

1084
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 6: they come.

1085
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: Everything changes when you hear a dog too, Guarantee it does.

1086
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're carrying a lever gun, the hammers getting

1087
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 5: caught getting snapped off your shoulder and your gun trying

1088
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 5: to get all comfortable, and because when it happens, it's

1089
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 5: like that, and you you're shooting skills and all those

1090
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 5: things out the window.

1091
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 6: They go and and you just sling as much ammunition

1092
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 6: towards them as you can.

1093
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm. Well, Isaac, what was your favorite story?

1094
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: Being out of the tree gave Isaac validation.

1095
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 4: I've heard relief, didn't it.

1096
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: I heard that story. I've heard that story for for years,

1097
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: and that was the first time I heard it straight

1098
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: from you. You're pretty sure you damaged your bladder, huh.

1099
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of hours in a tree stand.

1100
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: I mean I used to hunt a lot, and I

1101
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 3: didn't know any better. You know, I'd hold it and

1102
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 3: I remember holding this bad that I would just get

1103
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 3: to hurting, and uh, I don't do that anymore, but.

1104
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: I carry a bottle now. I don't know where it does.

1105
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, I think I damaged my bladder as

1106
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: a kid just holding it because I just knew that

1107
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: if I was in the bathroom, the deer would smell

1108
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 3: me and then I wouldn't get to kill a deer,

1109
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 3: you know. But that particular day that all worked out,

1110
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: that all worked out, that was that was I'll never

1111
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 3: forget that. And they come in just like you had

1112
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: a breadcrumbs to the woods.

1113
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1114
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: The part that he didn't tell was he calls me

1115
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: and he says, hey, I've shot some deer, you know.

1116
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: So I it was getting dark and I drove up

1117
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: there and he's sitting there on the side of the road,

1118
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: sitting on top of his climbing tree stand. It's blaring

1119
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 3: you know, where's your deer at He gets up, picks

1120
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: up his climbing tree stand and both of those deer

1121
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: underneath that time.

1122
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: That's to tell that party. That's my favorite part of

1123
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: this story. I mean you it was a big deal.

1124
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: Lots of my life I to this day. Probably if

1125
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't after a big buck man, a Yearland deer

1126
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: comes by. Oh the idea that you wouldn't shoot at

1127
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: Yearland is beyond me. There was no chance I to

1128
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: pass them up. I mean that was a big deal.

1129
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: Now we were to kill one, I killed two. I

1130
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: was talking of the camp. It didn't matter if they

1131
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: were Yearlands or not.

1132
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: You know that was that was my favorite part about

1133
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: that story. And you remember what I said. Do you

1134
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: remember how I introduced him. Oh yeah, this man has

1135
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: killed at Lite well as of two days ago, twenty

1136
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: five deer that went over this story to me that

1137
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, you got a big time deer hunter here.

1138
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 5: But when he gets started, there's not as many deer

1139
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 5: back then. No, So I mean, to kill two deer

1140
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 5: in one day, I could relate to that man. I

1141
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 5: mean when I started in seventy seven, Holy Kell people,

1142
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 5: the entire city of Hot Springs. There was only two

1143
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 5: of us that could kill a deer with a bowling era.

1144
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 5: It is a you know, the gun hunter guys didn't

1145
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 5: know how to do it. Yeah, they're raised in deer camps.

1146
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 5: They don't know why to kill the deer with a bow.

1147
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 5: And I didn't even know how to hunt. But it

1148
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 5: just hit me one day, Hey, if i'm hunting humans,

1149
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 5: I'm gonna going to McDonald's and I'm gonna find the McDonald's.

1150
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 5: And so it was real easy for me to kill deer. Now,

1151
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 5: if I could kill two little deer. I told this story.

1152
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's on a podcast, but I'm

1153
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 5: sitting in the stand one day and a big dough

1154
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 5: comes out boy, and I'm getting already I'm gonna nail her.

1155
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 5: And I look back and she's got a smaller dough

1156
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 5: behind her, and I'm thinking, okay, easier to get to

1157
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 5: the truck. Well, I look back and there's two more,

1158
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 5: and the last one was the small one. So I

1159
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 5: let them all walk and I whacked that little doy.

1160
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: That's where I come from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is

1161
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: no zero shame and killing a killing small deer. I mean,

1162
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: as long as it's within the boundaries of the law.

1163
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 5: Hey, I got another deal that that might be good

1164
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 5: for some of the youngs. You set your goals in life,

1165
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 5: and many many times you set them way too low.

1166
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 5: But because I started in the seventies, my goal, and

1167
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to deer hunt, My goal was

1168
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 5: to kill a deer every year with a bowl and

1169
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 5: eraw All my buddies thought it was funny, my dad

1170
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 5: thought it was funny. Everybody just laughed at me. So

1171
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 5: my goal was to kill a doe, a deer with

1172
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 5: a bowl and era. So when it got up to

1173
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 5: where you guys were coming on killing big bucks, hey,

1174
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 5: I was still happy.

1175
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: To kill a doe.

1176
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know where if I said I'm going to

1177
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 5: be a big buck hunter, you know.

1178
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, no, you always said that to me,

1179
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: and that made a lot of sense. And it also

1180
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: But what I've seen you do, though, is stay true

1181
01:03:54,680 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: to your roots and not really be influenced by what

1182
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: society said was valuable. And I'm kind of I kind

1183
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: of live in both worlds, like you know. I mean,

1184
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: I love to target the mature deer and try to

1185
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: kill him, and that's really important to me. But I

1186
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: also very quickly can turn into a dough hunter and

1187
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: go out and shoot a doe and it just be

1188
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: like a big deal and it and it comes from

1189
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: that and and yeah, what you would the trend of

1190
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: the age is, and especially now that we have exponentially

1191
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: more deer than we used to have, options are there's

1192
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: more options. They're they're they're you know, and and it's

1193
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of funny. It's like something happened about two thousand

1194
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: and five twenty ten, and everybody and their mom could

1195
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: kill a deer with a bow, I mean it, and

1196
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: it it happened probably because of just more people were

1197
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: doing it. It happened because there was more information about

1198
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: how to do it.

1199
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 3: Uh you know, our technique. The technique changed about that time.

1200
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in states where you can bait I mean,

1201
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: where where you can bait a deer on private land. Absolutely,

1202
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's happened around here. I mean it. He

1203
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: changed the.

1204
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And we can talk about that another time. But yeah,

1205
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 3: uh it it changed the way deer hunting is today.

1206
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, probably for the worst, but that's a discussion

1207
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 3: we have some of time. But uh, prior to that,

1208
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: I did I didn't know people baited deer at all.

1209
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 3: I mean, it just wasn't that something that you heard

1210
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: that happened in South Texas.

1211
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: We hunted, we hunted, We'd hunt for days to see

1212
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: a deer. Yeah.

1213
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: I can go get a fourth grader right now, put

1214
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: him in a line with a crossbow over a corn pond.

1215
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: He can harvest a deer this afternoon and he's never

1216
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: shot a deer up cross bow before today. That was

1217
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 3: unheard of on our day. But just the way things

1218
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: have changed, and it's a good or bad, it is

1219
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 3: what it is.

1220
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt, Aaron.

1221
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 6: I think that, like when you and I first met you,

1222
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 6: you thought you didn't have very mey deer coming from

1223
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 6: where I was from first time y'all took me hunting,

1224
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 6: I thought I had died and went to heaven.

1225
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: I remember that.

1226
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 6: I mean because I saw more than one deer.

1227
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, there were, well I.

1228
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 5: Saw six or seven deer, you know, I mean, I'm like,

1229
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 5: by golly, the fact. First the first I told this

1230
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 5: to Clay when we were talking about how you and

1231
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 5: I met and everything. The first day we ever hunted together,

1232
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 5: Aaron killed at eleven point buck shot him in the throat.

1233
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: Because they got that, because deer still got in my shop. Yeah,

1234
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: I said, what happened? He goes, well that's what I

1235
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: could see. I'm like, good enough. I was so proud

1236
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 3: of that deer. That's the biggest buck that's ever lived.

1237
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 3: It probably ninety five inches. I mean, I was so

1238
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: proud of him.

1239
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: Hey, I was gonna I was gonna bring up Aaron

1240
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: killed two days ago, Dad one hundred and forty seven

1241
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: inch deer with his bowl here.

1242
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 5: Really, yes's amazing, man, I really congratulate people that do that.

1243
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 5: But hey, you one thing I did, I was so

1244
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 5: impatient if a deer walked up, I'm going to kill it.

1245
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 5: No one that if I'd sit there all day, a

1246
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 5: buck probably would walk in. And the way I hunted,

1247
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 5: I had several big bucks come in, usually October twentieth

1248
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 5: through November the fifth, and just it wasn't meant for

1249
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 5: me to kill them. I mean I very seldom ever

1250
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 5: missed a deer. They usually dropped within fifty yards, but

1251
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 5: a big buck would come in. I wouldn't even be nervous,

1252
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 5: you know, And I just do all this kind of

1253
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 5: stuff and finally get on it and forget it's at

1254
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 5: thirty yards and I got my twenty pence. Stuff like

1255
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 5: that just happened.

1256
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: And you were and you were hunting public land too. Yeah,

1257
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you ever killed a deer on private land.

1258
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: Probably you probably did one or two.

1259
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 5: Maybe in Texas. I went on a Texas hunt a

1260
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 5: couple of times where I did. But anyway, and another thing,

1261
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 5: most of you guys have be embarrassed to tell this,

1262
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 5: I'm not, but I was afraid of heights. I jumped

1263
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 5: off a big old building when I was ten years old,

1264
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 5: and I think that's why I had my knees replaced.

1265
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 5: And I mean I could not stand up on a stand.

1266
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 5: I could not shoot to the back. I couldn't shoot.

1267
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 5: I let so many deer go on the right hand,

1268
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 5: left hand side. I just let them walk. I mean,

1269
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 5: I hunted for the deer to be right here. I

1270
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 5: didn't even want them in front. I wanted them right there.

1271
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 5: And so I mean, I think about all the deer

1272
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 5: I killed, I probably could have killed twice that many

1273
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 5: if I could have stood up and turned. And as

1274
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 5: I got the last five years, I got a little

1275
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 5: bit over that.

1276
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 4: But it's kind of.

1277
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 5: Everybody's got their own little niche and you got the

1278
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 5: big bucks. And you, I know, you killed a bunch

1279
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 5: of big bucks.

1280
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent, you did it. Deer Stories. So this country

1281
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: life with Deer Camp, Deer Camp Stories, Deer Camp.

1282
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: Man, let me tell you, petty jam baloney made right

1283
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: here in Arkansas. But the pepper realist that that was

1284
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 2: the trick.

1285
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1286
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: That was good, good stuff.

1287
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: It sounded good to me. Man, I thought it was funny.

1288
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: He said.

1289
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 3: He still had his mouth full. He was chewing as

1290
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 3: fast as he could when he walked up there. He

1291
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: won't make sure his buddy didn't get any of this.

1292
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: You have to be hungry. If Brent had half a

1293
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: baloney and relish sandwich and you walked up to him

1294
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, you might have had the rest.

1295
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 4: That's my nephew. Now.

1296
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: He's twice as tall as I am, and he could

1297
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: he would eat it.

1298
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: Sure, that's funny, that's funny. Well, shoot, guys, that's been good,

1299
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 1: been real good. This is just the just the beginning

1300
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: of the Deer Stories podcast. This is always one of

1301
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: my favorite times of the year because I get to

1302
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: go and meet with guys. I mean, just like Luca

1303
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: came down to where you live, met with you, Aaron

1304
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: came over here. Dad's got a story. I went and

1305
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: saw Andy, I went and saw Mo. I mean, you know,

1306
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: just like it's kind of like for me, it's it's

1307
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: a lot of fun gathering up all these stories. And

1308
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm interested in other people's stories too. It's hard in

1309
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: some ways doing what I'm doing is it's kind of

1310
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: a bummer because there's a lot of great people that

1311
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast that hear these stories and are like, oh,

1312
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: they need to Clay needs to hear this story. And

1313
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to like parse through. Like if you

1314
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: message me, you're like, Clai, I got a great story.

1315
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean you do? You probably do? I know you do.

1316
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 2: I tell you what I'm interested in. I would like

1317
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: to hear. Does Willow remember that? I would love she?

1318
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: I actually brought it up to her. I told her,

1319
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: I said, well, you're on the podcast this week, and

1320
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: I told her, and she she I don't think she

1321
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: has any recollection of that?

1322
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 4: Is that right?

1323
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 2: Because the whole time I was listening to it, and

1324
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: I sent you a text when I listened to it,

1325
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: that's the best story you have ever told. And I

1326
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: was there with you when we told the world the

1327
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 2: story about the bear slipping in on us, you know,

1328
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: But that to me was the best story.

1329
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: Was it the story or the way told it or both?

1330
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: It had to be a combination of all of it,

1331
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: because I could see the whole thing playing out, because

1332
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 2: you know, I know you obviously, and Willow, and I

1333
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 2: could see her and I've seen pictures of her when

1334
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: she was that age, and I could see all that

1335
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: playing out in my head because I would take my

1336
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 2: oldest daughter Amy with me when we would go duck hunting,

1337
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: and she'd be sitting in the blind, or i'd take

1338
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: Bailey with me, now you know, and she would at

1339
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 2: that age and she'd just be playing the color and

1340
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: then just having a ball and while I'm trying to

1341
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 2: kill a deer, but really just spending time with them.

1342
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 2: But to hear them, to hear my daughter Amy, and

1343
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 2: to hear Bailey or my son Hunter tell a story

1344
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: from their viewpoint of a story that I've told with

1345
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 2: them with me, it's it's it's different. They see a

1346
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 2: whole different thing, and it's to me, it's a better story.

1347
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: So I hate that she don't remember because that's the

1348
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: story I would love to.

1349
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I think it was just like

1350
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to say that we did that

1351
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuff all the time, but we did that

1352
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: stuff all the time. I mean, I think it was

1353
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: just like a Tuesday. I mean it was special because

1354
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: we killed a deer, and it's special because I, you know,

1355
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: just the unit. I never did that again, just like that.

1356
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 1: But I mean they went with me a lot.

1357
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 4: Well, it was just imperfect. It was a perfect story. Yeah,

1358
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 4: that was perfect. It was good.

1359
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: I looked. I thought about too a photo I took.

1360
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: I've taken a picture of almost every deer that I've

1361
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: ever killed, and I cannot find that picture. And I

1362
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: think it was the the beginning of the digital age

1363
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: for me when I went from actually taking real photos

1364
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: that you went to develop. And I think we took

1365
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: pictures of that on a cell phone and they just

1366
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: are gone. And it was before social media. I wasn't

1367
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: on social media then, or nobody was, I guess two

1368
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: thousand and six to speak of. And so I think

1369
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 1: that now I can go back twelve years into social

1370
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: media and find pictures, which is risky because I mean,

1371
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: who's to say, Facebook's gonna be around tomorrow. I mean,

1372
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: but anyway, it just it was a gap of about

1373
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: five years or were. I hardly have any pictures.

1374
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 5: I know, you run out of time, but I'm the grandpa.

1375
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something that it really impressed me

1376
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 5: is you got a little girl that's real compliant and

1377
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 5: real smart, and you just say you've got to do

1378
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 5: these things and she goes okay, and she did them.

1379
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: You're a little boy.

1380
01:13:55,160 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 5: You got a little boy rocks just forget totally what

1381
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 5: the instructions are, Yeah, and start pitching rocks in the creek.

1382
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: Hey, Daddy to watch this. Yeah. Yeah, But little Willow

1383
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: she followed the rules. She did she did. You know what.

1384
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: I actually thought about another hunt that took place in

1385
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: almost the same spot, different scenario with with my two

1386
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: youngest sons, Bear and Shepherd. That was a that didn't

1387
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: turn out so good. It was in that same field,

1388
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: but we had a blind. I actually had a pop

1389
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: up blind, and I don't remember the scenario, but I

1390
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: had both the boys in there and they were probably

1391
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: three and five. So it's been a couple of years

1392
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: later because his sister's older and I remember seeing some

1393
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: deer way off, like a quarter mile away, off like

1394
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: twenty minutes before dark, and the deer weren't gonna make it.

1395
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: And I had a bow and I told the boys,

1396
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: I said, boys, y'all stay here, I'm going to go

1397
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: try to get that deer. And I had them stay

1398
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: in the blind, and I slipped out the back and

1399
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: went and stalked these deer and was gone for way

1400
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: longer than I thought I was gonna be. And when

1401
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: I came back, I heard shepherd just crying in the blind,

1402
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 1: just bawling. I mean for like three hundred yards away.

1403
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: I could hear him, and I was like, oh no,

1404
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: And I went over there, and they got scared. They

1405
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: got scared, you know, but I could they could They

1406
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: could have seen me the whole time. I was never

1407
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: out of sight of that blind, but I was a

1408
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: long ways off, and so they lost track of me.

1409
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: And then I was on these deer, Aaron, I mean,

1410
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: I was like about to kill them, and it got

1411
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: dark on me, you know, and I went back. I

1412
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: felt terrible, I mean to the point to the point

1413
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: I just like almost cried because I could hear him

1414
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: from anyway. That was a nightmare. And I learned something

1415
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: on that one. I really did like, I was like,

1416
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: I will never do that again. And I, you know,

1417
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: leaving a kid cuz my dad. I don't off I

1418
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: ever told y'all about my dad. But my dad wasn't

1419
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: afraid at all to leave me in the woods for

1420
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: long in the dark. And I would it. I would

1421
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: get scared as could be. But I'm kidding dead, I'm not.

1422
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: I did it.

1423
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 5: A lot of it had to do with I didn't

1424
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 5: know how to hunt. Everybody thought you couldn't kill a deer,

1425
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 5: and I was so committed to kill a deer that

1426
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 5: that I wasn't gonna I mean, you know, I'm gonna

1427
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 5: kill deer, and I don't know. If we've got time,

1428
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 5: you can cut this out.

1429
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't tell.

1430
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 5: These dead gum followers of years what a whimp you are.

1431
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 5: He's ten years old, true bothers me to see him

1432
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 5: thirteen fifteen years old. He kills his first deer. Well

1433
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 5: at ten years old. I got the best spot in

1434
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 5: the host thinking world, man. I mean I hunted forty years.

1435
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 5: This spot was the spot. I mean, you had everything

1436
01:16:55,160 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 5: there you wanted, sixty piles of droppings, everything, And I counted.

1437
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: Her a single acron tree.

1438
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 5: I counted him, and so I put a stand up

1439
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 5: and there everything was set up perfect. Ten years old.

1440
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 5: We had to be back to town by like ten o'clock.

1441
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 5: I need to kill a deer because I'm only hunting

1442
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 5: on Saturdays, you know, and maybe Sunday morning occasionally.

1443
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: And uh, so I walk him in here and I go, okay, right, Clay.

1444
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: He climbs up in that tree.

1445
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 5: It's black dark, and so I turned around to walk off,

1446
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 5: and I hear I hear him cray. You know, most

1447
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 5: daddies would have said, hey, don't worry about Clay. I'm

1448
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 5: going to get over here in the corner and sit

1449
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 5: down in that bush and I'm will be right here

1450
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 5: the whole time. But that never entered my mind because

1451
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 5: I got I got one day to kill this deer.

1452
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 5: And if this little dirt ball won't set up there,

1453
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 5: I put him in the car and the truck and

1454
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 5: we went over and I killed. I shot that little deer,

1455
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 5: and uh I got my gold done for the year,

1456
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 5: and I'm ready to quit now. So but but that

1457
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 5: was the craziest thing I'd ever seen. And you don't

1458
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 5: see that anymore. But you're when you got when you

1459
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 5: guys came up and started hunting, you couldn't find stuff

1460
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 5: like that. But for some reason, first ten years I hunted,

1461
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 5: to see thirty forty fifteen piles of droppings under a

1462
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:24,799
Speaker 5: white oak tree was very common.

1463
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: Sixty was kind of unusual.

1464
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 5: So I don't know what if you had to come

1465
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 5: in there, there'd have been a whole herd little doze

1466
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 5: walk in.

1467
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: So no that that that hunt, It's a wonder I

1468
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: made it through. It's because I just it was the

1469
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: first time I'd hunted by myself. And I mean it's

1470
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: like probably an hour and a half before daylight because

1471
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: he had to go drive ten miles to get to

1472
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: his It's not like we were hunting like down the ridge.

1473
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: He was going somewhere else. It's just the way we

1474
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: had to hunt. There were just two good spots, and

1475
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,440
Speaker 1: they happened to be miles apart. I don't remember the details,

1476
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: but he put me up in that stand and I

1477
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 1: was just like bro oh, I cried like I was scared.

1478
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: I was in the fourth grade by myself, and uh oh, yeah.

1479
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: It was intense. But really you were so tough. He

1480
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: was so tough. We were. We would scout a lot

1481
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,520
Speaker 1: of times on full waders, fast forwarders.

1482
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 5: I mean, we'd be running through the woods going right,

1483
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 5: here's a spot, uh anyway, and he'd be he'd be right.

1484
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 5: Might take him a while to catch you up, you know.

1485
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 5: Me and my buddy, we'd do that a lot of

1486
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 5: time just for the fun of it. But it's a

1487
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 5: real effective way of scouting. And Clay would be right

1488
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 5: there with us, never wore out, just wouldn't quit. So

1489
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 5: I thought, man, put him in a tree. Holy cow,

1490
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 5: this would be easy.

1491
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: Got scared, Got scared Clay.

1492
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 6: I'd like to say something before we wrap this up,

1493
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 6: because it sounds like we're coming to a close here.

1494
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 6: I don't want to say thank you uh for for

1495
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 6: us getting together. I have to thank our our friend

1496
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 6: Scott Brown for getting us together. Scott's one of the

1497
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 6: He's one of the best hunters woodsman. He does not

1498
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 6: hunt bait. He does not go and travel all over

1499
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:18,839
Speaker 6: the country hunting.

1500
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: He hunts.

1501
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 6: He hunts some of the in my opinion, some of

1502
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 6: the worst places you could go to go there, But

1503
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 6: that sir, career is consistent. He'll kill there when nobody

1504
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 6: else will. He's the real deal hunter. But he got

1505
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 6: us together, and in doing so, I'm sitting here today,

1506
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 6: He's sitting across from a couple of guys that I

1507
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 6: realized sitting here, I have missed y'all a lot. And

1508
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 6: as I'm walking up, Aaron's like, how long has it been?

1509
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 6: It's been over twenty years? Has been over twenty years,

1510
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 6: and my goodness, life will just fly right on by,

1511
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 6: right in front of you. And I think of all

1512
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 6: the things that have happened since the last time we've

1513
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 6: seen each other till today, a lot. I mean, both

1514
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 6: my folks are gone, both my brothers are gone. You know,

1515
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 6: I've married and got step sons and you know, and

1516
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 6: done all these different things. I know, y'all, you know,

1517
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 6: probably done the same. And I'm sitting here thinking to myself,

1518
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,440
Speaker 6: I'm I'm grateful that that you cut, that you shot

1519
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 6: me a text now and said, hey, you want to

1520
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 6: tell a dear story, And I'm like, I sure, do

1521
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 6: you know, not knowing I was gonna be sitting right

1522
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 6: here looking at you two boy before.

1523
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 3: We got here, Lucas thinking of the very same thing,

1524
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 3: how a white tailed deer can bring us back together,

1525
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 3: you know, and bring us together in the first place. Yeah,

1526
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 3: you hadn't had that high country shirt on. Yeah, we

1527
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be here together.

1528
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 6: And that was in the That was in the fall

1529
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 6: of nineteen ninety seven when Aaron and I both that

1530
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 6: was both that we were both transferred students going to

1531
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 6: Faetteville not knowing a soul. I mean I didn't, I

1532
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:06,560
Speaker 6: didn't know anybody.

1533
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: I didn't either. You know what you said at the

1534
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: end of your story, I thought was really powerful in that.

1535
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not there's nothing about a white tailed

1536
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: deer that is is gonna cause somebody to have a

1537
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing magical, and we talk about a

1538
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: deer being magical and all this stuff. We loved hunt

1539
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: yea yeah, yeah, but really what brought us together because

1540
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: what's valuable is a human relationship. Yeah, and all the

1541
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: everything that I do inside of Bear Greece and stuff.

1542
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: Really we're talking about deer hunting, we're talking about the land,

1543
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about rivers, we're talking about mountains and lions

1544
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: and deer like all this natural stuff. But really what's

1545
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 1: interesting to me is how humans interact with that, and

1546
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: then how humans interact together around those things, like the

1547
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: relationships that we have and you did such a good

1548
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: job of saying, you know, a white tailed deer is

1549
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: really what brought us all together and uh and and

1550
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,480
Speaker 1: becomes a medium to which you can exchange and have relationship,

1551
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: like you'd have a bond like I hadn't seen Area, well,

1552
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: I saw you ten years ago. I hadn't seen Andy

1553
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: in probably twenty years. And I mean me and you,

1554
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: we can anytime we see each other. It's like we

1555
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: got a connection. And it's it's deer, but it's but

1556
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: it's bigger than that, and that's special. It is it's special.

1557
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there are other things in the world

1558
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: that people can connect over, but there is nothing in

1559
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: the world that is more more in order and or

1560
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: I could even use the word primal than the hunting

1561
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: connection between humans. I mean that is the bond that

1562
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: made the human species, was hunters connecting. I mean really,

1563
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 1: when you it just like boiled it down to like

1564
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: I have to be safe and warm and have shelter.

1565
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: I have to reproduce and find a wife, and I

1566
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: have to kill stuff to eat. Maybe maybe you could

1567
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: throw it a little bit later. I got to find

1568
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: some land to grow some crops on. I mean, it's

1569
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: like pretty basic level human stuff. So for us to

1570
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 1: come together and talk about deer hunting and how it's

1571
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 1: connected us, it's like, I love it. So yeah, yeah,

1572
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: I thought you did a good job of saying that.

1573
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

1574
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 4: Good stuff.

1575
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you for having us on. It's been fun.

1576
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, well, well we'll do it again. Brent

1577
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: closing words Wisdom Go one two three.

1578
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: I talked about it in my podcast. It's tradition and

1579
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 2: legacy and the value of sharing something good with people

1580
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: that you love and people that you like. There was

1581
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 2: only how many stories were on this podcast. Seven There

1582
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 2: were seven examples of everything right there.

1583
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 4: It was good stuff. M hm. That's it for me.

1584
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: Excellent. Thank you all for kind of great to see everybody.

1585
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:09,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you,