WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Zeke & Tyron 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.600 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:18.320 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. Are you ready 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.160 for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:26.480 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.840 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.960 with Nick Eatman, Brian brought us a bar Garcia and 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:47.320 Derek Eagleton. It's Wednesday, March's first twenty twenty three season eighteen, 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.960 episode number one eighteen. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.680 The Break. We are alive from the s WBC Mortgage 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.760 Studios at the Star present of our miller like the 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.560 Only Beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Got Nick and Amber 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.440 here today. Brian's actually covering baseball all today, so he's 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.800 out of surprise Arizona doing a little baseball coverage. But 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:06.640 we're gonna hold it down today. Talk a little bit 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:11.440 about the NFL Scouting Combine. We've got a news coming 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.200 out of there yesterday. We'll talk a little bit about 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.400 what Steven Jones had to say on a myriad of topics. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.000 We'll also get to our series that we've been running 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.160 through biggest question Cowboys have at each position. Today, we'll 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.160 talk about the offensive line. We might get a little 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.680 farther than that, but judging about how things have been going, 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.840 typically two positions is about as much as we can 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.200 get into a show. So let's start first with Steven 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.440 Jones and his comments yesterday from the scouting combine in Indianapolis. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.800 When asked about the franchise tag. Here was his quote, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.880 more than likely, we'll use our tag, not necessarily on Tony, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.040 but we'll use our tag. That being said, we talked 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:49.680 a little bit about the salary. I mean, I'm sorry 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.559 with the franchise tag last week. Just to remember, remind everyone, 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.080 Dalton Schultz would count about thirteen million if they were 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.680 to tag him again. Tony Pollo would count about ten 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.920 point one million. Odovan Wilson could be an option at 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.640 fourteen almost fourteen and a half million. Layton Vanderesh, I 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.160 don't think, but at least for the sake of this conversation, 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.440 would count about twenty one million if you were to 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.200 tag him. My question for you, guys is, did you 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.440 get anything out of that statement on whether this means 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.360 that even though he said doesn't necessarily mean Tony that 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.480 if they're definitely going to use it, it's going to 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.200 be Tony or did you get some other indication on 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:29.720 maybe the player you think it would be. Yeah. I 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.880 love Stephen, but I mean he's not gonna He's too 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.959 smart to be saying anything that you know that you're like, oh, 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.560 I'm going to read into this. I think they're going 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.680 to use it on Tony Pollard. I think that's the 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:46.200 only franchise tag option that's really in play now. You 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.120 could say that about Schultz. They drafted Ferguson, and they 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.400 have Hendershot, and they look like they're promising enough. You know, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.519 players that you wouldn't want to pay thirteen million for Schultz, 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.840 who is a good player. I don't think he's a 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.320 great player. I think he's a good player. And I 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.400 think any tight end that can get open would catch 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.160 sixty to seventy passes from Dak because that's where Dak's 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.919 going to throw it. So I Tony Polard at ten 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.040 point one million, coming off an injury, that to me 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.600 seems like the best one. Yeah. I don't think there's 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.079 any other player that just seems like it would make 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.239 sense for them to be tagged by the Cowboys. What's interesting, 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.119 Why would it be a big deal? To not want 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:33.079 to say like if there because he did say there 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.400 are planning on using the tag, what would it be 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.080 a big deal to say we're thinking of using it 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.160 for Polar Well, only if they're trying to negotiate a 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.760 long term deal. And that's the part that then he 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.880 can't talk he won't necessarily talk about because I think 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.440 they will do a long term deal. Well I mean, okay, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.800 long term two to three years. But yeah, the tricky 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.560 part about a franchise tag is is a minute that 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.240 you put it on there, he's a ten point one 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.040 million player. That's what he is, and so that's where 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.400 it starts. And so if you're like, well, we're gonna 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.200 tag you or we can get this deal done, but 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.120 they're like, well, the deal's got to be ten million 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.000 a year because that's what you're gonna tag us. So 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.119 if they don't really say it like that, they're trying 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.720 to maybe let's say it three year twenty four, like 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.800 an eight a year, you know, which gives it more guarantees, 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.800 you know, all that kind of stuff. But it I 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.920 think agents always play that game. But if you tag 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.960 me at all, that's where the floor is. And then 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.400 we'll go up from there. So I don't think the 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.599 Cowboys want to do that. Maybe I guess that makes 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.680 sense when you look at it that way. Would it 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.599 be smart to do like even a two or three 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.680 year deal with polar What do you smart for? Who 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.360 smart for the Cowboys or for Polity the Cowboys? Well, 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.239 that's the thing that's what makes this kind of tricky 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.000 for even Pollard. Pollard's got to look at it too 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.520 and say, Okay, I got hurt. What if I get 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.360 hurt again? What if I play on the franchise tack 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.400 and I get hurt like that again? Now with an 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.040 increased load. By the way, problem increased load, le'll say 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:03.320 missed sometime, we'll say doesn't have the best year. Now 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.880 what happens to him? What is his value? At five? 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.000 He's a five year player going into a sixth years, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.720 had a couple of injuries, maybe declining. He's got to say, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.360 all right, if the money is there for a three 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.240 year deal, that I can make twenty million guaranteed over 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.000 three years. That might be better than the ten this year. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.880 So it's a it's a tough one for running backs, 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.159 you know. And I could see both sides wanting to 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.440 say all right, do I bet on myself or do 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.240 I take the money? Yeah, that's a and on the 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.920 Cowboys side, you know, we talked about it last week. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.720 I would be afraid if I were an NFL franchise 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:41.279 of committing long term money to a second, second contract 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.640 running back. And that's not about Tony, that's not about Zeke, 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.240 that's not about anybody in particular. That's just in general. 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.560 The replacement value for running backs, as we all have 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.320 seen and have talked about, is relatively low. You can 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.440 get really really good quality at the running back position 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.440 with not a lot of draft capital and not a 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.159 lot of money. So if you're talking about roster building 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.159 overall and how much money you have to save against 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.680 the cap, and know one you've got to spend big 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.240 deals coming up on CD and Trey Von and Mica, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.640 this may be an area where you could save a 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.839 little money and still good, good quality production. And so 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.160 from the Cowboys standpoint, I think they have to give 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.039 some real consideration to are we willing to do a 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.520 long term deal with Tony Pollard? No matter what we 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.160 think of him. We might think he's a really good 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.479 back and he might last all that time. It's more 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.159 just the value a matter of what can I get 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.080 for what I pay, and you might be able to 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.559 get better as good a value for less money. Yeah, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.960 And I'm just never one that always says, well, you 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.000 can draft the back. Well, I mean, yes, you can. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.360 You can draft the back, and every year there will 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.800 be running backs drafted, and some of them will come 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.920 from the fourth or fifth or sixth round and they'll 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.560 be productive, some of them won't. And so I think 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.240 sometimes I just think it's a little naive for people, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.400 the draft experts. I mean, Brian says a lot of 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.440 times too, and he's not wrong, and that you will 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.120 be able to find the running back that's in the 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.000 middle rounds or whatever. But I think we should just 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.880 not discount the fact that here is a here is 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:11.200 a very quick, fast player who's still tough. He's tough 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.920 for his size, he doesn't fumble, he knows how to 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.920 make big plays. So there's value there of worth, you know, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.800 signing him. And I think you can do both. I 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.200 think you can draft the guy that's getting left out 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.240 here obviously is now. I think that's all fair. The 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.440 one thing I will say, though, is I will trust 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.720 this scouting department to find me a running back. What 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.640 they've done from the standpoint of the draft and really 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.320 in some respects with regards to free agents. I trust 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.600 them enough when draft Day comes that they'll get me 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.840 a back that will be a good back. I just 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.280 trust that they will because they're because their track record 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.040 shows that they're good on draft day. That's why the 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.640 franchise tag makes sense because, like I said the other day, right, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.200 every time Tony Pollard has started a game, they average 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.720 about forty points. It doesn't happen a lot, but it's 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.360 a small enough sample sites to say, may be he 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.280 is maybe he could really take over. I mean, when 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.440 he got some chances to start they had, he had 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.920 huge days. So maybe you should do that with him 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.120 and then draft a guy that's exactly right, and then 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.160 we'll do a thank you graphic for Zeke when when 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.320 he moves on or when they Honestly, I just don't 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.080 know what to think of that. I mean, you heard 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.440 the comments. I still think it's very noncommittal at this 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.880 point one way or the other from Stephen, But what 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.320 are your thoughts on what's going to happen when Zeke? Well, 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.040 I wanted to ask you there because you're you've been 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.360 very pro draft a guy. You know, you talk about 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.600 the running back cycle and how easy quote unquote it 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.640 is to replace, to replace a guy in that position. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.559 Would you see a scenario, well, I wouldn't see it happening, 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.120 But would you see the scenario where they just move 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.040 on from both Zeke and Pauler. I mean it's a 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:58.400 little riskier, but I would look at it and say, oh, 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.719 I'll put it to you like this. If the Cowboys 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.400 feel like, and we're gonna get to this in just 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.680 a second, because Steven has some comments about taking a 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.320 running back in the first round, if the Cowboys feel 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.520 like one of those two top running backs is going 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.320 to be available to them in the first round, then 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.679 I would be a little bit less worried about not 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.800 having either one because, as you talked about last week, Nick, 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:20.840 either one of those first two running backs, if you 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.920 plug them in next year, I think you got a 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.080 really good running game. I mean, it's gonna be about 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.840 your offensive line. It won't be about the running back 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.839 position if you plug either one of those two guys in. Now, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.160 if you don't think based upon kind of how you 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.800 how you look at the draft, and I know they do. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.439 They do these mock drafts, you know, internally to kind 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:39.920 of fair out where they think guys are going to be. 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.480 If they don't think those two running backs will be there, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.440 they think they'll both be gone before they get to 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.640 that point. Now, I do think that going to Knick's point, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.640 it might be a safer option for you to say, hey, 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.160 at the very least, we want to do a one 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.760 year franchise tag with Tony Pollard because we do want 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.680 to at least have somebody for a year in order 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.600 to make we've got an option. But but outside of that, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.840 I wouldn't I would not be at all worried if 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.560 they thought they could draft one of those two running 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.319 backs and they didn't have either one of the running 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.040 backs they currently. I really wish draft and free agency 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:19.840 dates were flipped. Draft would come first and then free 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.680 agency and then you go from there and figure out 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.800 what that big money that also wouldn't that also bring 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.440 you the opposite problem, Like I know right now, a 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.760 lot of teams try to kind of fill in gaps 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.599 with free agency and then they get to draft and 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.719 kind of know that they can kind of draft a 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.600 lot of different things. It would be the flip, right, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.520 you would basically be trying to fill in gaps maybe 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.360 with the draft, and then you would kind of go 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.200 into free agency. I think it would still present the 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.120 same kind of challenges, right, I guess, you know, I 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.240 think it's different because of the amount of money and 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.320 the contract, the amount of money you're spending on play. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.000 It would always it would always be a different kind 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.080 of challenge. I mean, it's just funny. I was I 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.559 was as you was saying that, I was literally thinking 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.320 what if they were flipped, you know, like like I 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.600 was thinking the same thing like timing. But yeah, there 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.240 always would be something else that you'd have to deal 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.120 with it, you know, I mean, because then you know, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.560 it'd be like, all right, well you know who do 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.360 we you know? I mean, its one hundred percent would 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.320 would be issues. But I like this this situation the 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.679 way it is. I mean, it forces their hand to 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.360 to do something. And also it would be a little 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.040 bit more creative for agents if it was the other 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.000 way around too. It's like, now you drafted somebody, so 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.160 now I know, you know we're gonna hold this out, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.080 or you didn't draft anyone and yeah you know so 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.280 so yeah, it would it would be fun. But I mean, 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:43.760 in this this particular case, I definitely think, um, it helps, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.559 you know, it helps the Cowboys to say, all right, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.640 we're gonna we're gonna do this with running back, and 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.320 we don't know at twenty six, you just don't know 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.079 who's gonna fall. I think if Eishan Robinson's as good 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.160 as everyone says he is, I don't still understand why 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.439 he would fall that far. I mean, running backs, running 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.760 backs still get drafted in the first round. Yeah, but 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.240 that's what we're seeing over the years is that I 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.560 think they just don't They don't tend to go as 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.760 early as like I'll put it to you like this, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.760 most everything I've read, Brian's even talked about it, most 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.880 everything I've read is if you don't look at the 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.800 position Jean Robinson is, from a talent standpoint, a top 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.280 five player in this draft. He's not gonna sniff top five. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.400 He won't probably stiff top ten. But that's also up. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.760 The point is because yeah, he's a really good running back, 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.880 but when you think about just your overall team's ability 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.600 to be successful, you don't need that kind of running 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.320 back in order to do it. There are some positions 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:41.040 that you do obviously, quarterback positions like cornerback, left tackle, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.760 those are positions where having that guy makes much more 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.520 of a difference. In having the running back you can 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.800 get a you know, look at the two teams that 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.960 were in the Super Bowl this year, neither one had 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.760 a what you would call a premier running back. And 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.800 so there is a way to be able to be 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.480 successful with lesser running backs. And I think that's really 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.480 more the key than than is the guy worth it, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.840 Like in the case of Tony Pollock, he's worth it, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.839 it's just do you necessarily need to do that in 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.720 order to be successful? Yeah? Well, great questions the right 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.679 formula here. If he's the first round you think he's 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:18.240 first round talent, be John Robinson, Yes, not even a question. Perfect. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.120 If I'm drafting at twenty six and I have a 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.679 chance to get first round talent, then I'm in. I'm in, 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.120 And I'm in for other positions too, you know. But 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.960 but I mean, anytime you can get a first round 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.120 grade at that point in the draft, that's and that's 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.959 what they did last year. I mean, even though, and 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.680 I wish people would go back and revisit that because 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.360 everyone just kind of eraces. You know, these these draft 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.480 gurus or fans of the draft or whatever. They think 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.080 the Cowboys you know, aren't going to do this or that, 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.520 and they forget how much they just crapped on Tyler 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.280 Smith's pick. They hated that pick. They thought it was 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.959 a reach. This guy was you know, he guess what 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.679 he had thirteen holding penalties last year, or thirteen penalties, 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.439 not holding thirteen penalties, he had twelve a tulsa and 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.440 everyone was like, oh my god, this guy's got yeah, 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.439 well he had thirteen. Got a problem with that. I'm 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.920 good too. He played left guard, left tackle, left guard, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.559 and sometimes in the middle of the game, sometimes in 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.839 the middle of the practice, went back and forth tyran Smith. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.640 I mean he ended up moving to right tackle because 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.680 Tyler was playing so well. Okay close. El Adams had 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.680 a false start every game, you know, for one year, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:20.880 and he made the Pro Bowl. I mean, he was 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:25.400 pretty good. So, I mean, when you have a hard 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.080 time trying to find the picture of a guy that 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.760 was drafted in the first round for whatever articles were posting, 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.520 you're like scratching your head, like, okay, that's a good 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.600 indication that the media's probably gonna have a problem with you, right, Yeah, 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.040 who is this guy that has no pictures? Oh? You 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.840 know it's funny about that. I have a story in 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.680 two thousand and five, remember going into your office after 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.320 the draft after they took DeMarcus Ware who I was 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.520 also in charge of finding photos. I couldn't really find 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.600 a lot of photos of this guy from Troy State, 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.640 you know, and he's rushing the passer or whatever. The 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.160 guy that I wanted him to draft was Derek Johnson 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.160 out of Texas because every photo that I was searching 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.440 for this linebacker he had the ball in his hands, 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.480 hit the ball as a linebacker, and I was like, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.480 I want this guy. And he was a good point. 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.040 He was a really good player, but he was in 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.240 the NFL. Yeah, he did not turn out to be 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.880 a Hall of His jacket is blue, yeah, or burnt 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.400 orange or whatever he wears. Yeah, probably got a burn 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.200 orange jacket, I'm guessing, yeah, he probably does. Yeah. Now 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.200 he ended up injuries at first, and then I felt 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.640 like he ended up career a really good NFL career. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.880 He just wasn't Debarcus. 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His answer was, yes, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.800 what do you think Tyrant's role would be if he's 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:09.520 back with this team? As Stephen indicated yesterday, Uh, I 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:14.080 think he's a starter at left tackle, and I think 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:20.960 Tyler Smith this year left guard unless something changes, like 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.080 unless they draft someone that's better at guard, or you know, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.639 unless Tyrants not one year at best five. But I 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.199 think he I think that they would bring him back. Um. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.480 You know, again, this is one of those where Steven 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.520 said it, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't try 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.800 to rework something. I mean he also said something else 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.480 in there about the competition committee and how they talk 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.240 about linemen and they say you can never have enough lineman. 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.679 You can't. You just can't. And look go look at 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.560 if you want to if you're bored. You know, go 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.720 watch the XFL if you want to and just see 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.840 how many linemen are there. I mean, it's it's the 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.840 same as a fourth quarter of a preseason game. Nobody 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:04.240 in block, nobody came out. Just there's just no backup lineman. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.040 There's just not And that's that's what that's what the 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.000 issue is. And so even when you get a guy 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.280 like Isaac, you know you're going to a coleman. I 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.640 can't say it, right, but um, you're going to keep 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.479 developing him even though he is very, very raw. He's big, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.840 he's strong, smart, and he's going you just develop him 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.680 because you don't want to let go of any of 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:27.960 lineman like that. I say all that to say, I 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.240 just don't know if they're just gonna let Tyrn Smith 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.600 walk out the door. His salary is not that crazy. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.800 And what's the amount that he's counting next year, do 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.639 you know? Yeah, it's like, uh seventeen million on the 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.639 cow m She's mean, that's not that crazy. That's a 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.760 lot of money, right, Yeah, But that's your left tackle. 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.479 He's your he's your left tackle. And if he's replaced, 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.879 he's replaced by a guy that makes one. So I 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.879 mean you're stealing with your left tackle of Tyler Smith 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.440 and then Terrence Steele, who you can just get him 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.080 on a restricted deal, a one year deal, So I 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.080 mean right, but I mean that all makes sense. So 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:03.960 just look at the room. No, I get that, But 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:05.639 I guess the way I'm looking at it is if 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.879 you're looking at the team that's still seventeen million that 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.199 you don't necessarily have to spend because you have a 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.320 left tackle that you have at left guard, you'd say five. 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:18.240 I mean that you would say five if you got him, 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.320 So you say five if you cut him. I think 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.520 you could save more if you did it after June one. 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.840 But again to that point and then get and then 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.600 get who the somebody gets banged up Tyler to Aaron 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.239 Steele gets hurt again, and now you're sitting you know. 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.560 So if you're thinking about from a standpoint, let's say 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.679 you're just looking at the room. And that's why I 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.439 asked the question of what his role is if you 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.280 wanted to continue to develop Tyler Smith as your left tackle, 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.280 is there any scenario into which you would have Tyron 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.360 Smith be your swing tackle? I don't know, he said. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:54.440 Tyler Tyler. Oh no, Tyrn Tyrn, tyrone um. I think 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.720 we just swing into retirement if that happens. I just 0:21:57.760 --> 0:21:59.399 don't you think he'll swing in every time where you 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:03.160 get the Cowboys. I just don't think that's what he's 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.160 gonna do. But I don't. I don't know. I've had 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:09.880 four conversations. But he's not a man of many words. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.680 Spot Track has him the twenty third ranked salary in 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.960 the league with left tackles. Not bad, it's pretty good. 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.879 But either way, you know, every year, I wonder, at 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.600 what point is it enough? What point is it like 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.240 your time is up? And I'm not talking about necessarily 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:33.680 from the Cowboys, uh you, but also from him as 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.320 a player, Like I get it. He's he's a big, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.359 strong guy, he's a machine. He's someone like we always 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.879 talk about it like it's insane, the fact that he 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.320 is still when he is on the field, the way 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.080 he plays and he looks aside from all the injuries, 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.719 but what point is it that your body's like, Okay, 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:56.359 that's enough injuries. You can only take so many. So 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.960 it does make me wonder. And and he's been out 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:03.800 here working, he's been working out, and you know, I 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:09.240 just I don't know where he stands mentally and where 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.439 he is as far as like how long he sees 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:17.000 himself kind of keep playing. But going back to like 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:21.159 what you think his role would be, you talk about 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:23.879 the amount of different guys that you plug in, and 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.760 we saw that with the Cowboys this last year, with 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.320 how many times they flipped and move guys around. But 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.680 I think we would all agree that ideally you want 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:35.159 to keep you're five in the same spot as often 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:40.080 as possible. But I don't know how long he can 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.400 count on him, and I think I would rather start 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:47.040 off the season, would know. I just it's hard to 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:50.359 sideline a guy like Tyrant Smith. But I just I 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.720 don't know what his real role is. You don't know 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.720 if he's gonna get injured at training camp. You don't 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.400 know at what point he's gonna pull something and get hurt. 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:03.680 He ended up playing how many games last here? Like five? Yeah? 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.800 You know, I mean bas based on his injury history. 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:11.200 How how comfortable do you guys feel with having him 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:17.399 be a week one starter? Um, if he does, it 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.480 means he'll be rusty because he didn't have any work 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:21.640 in training camp. Because if he gets work in training camp, 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.359 he'll probably get banged up. So so to answer your question, 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.560 I'm not then your backup is getting reps right and 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:29.959 getting ready just incase, here's what I worry about with 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:33.320 Tyler Smith. I worry about Tyler Smith being Tyrone Crawford. 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:35.840 And I say that as a guy that could play end, 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.440 he could play tackle. Let's do him at both. Let's 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.359 play you know, he never knows exactly where where to 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.160 put his weight at during the offseason because he could 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.800 get moved at any time to end. So he's now 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.000 he's gonna play tackle, but then he gets moved out 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:50.880 to end and they're always doesn't get any sacks. Well, 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:52.600 he doesn't have the burst because you had him at 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.040 three hundred pounds at where he's just not working at 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:59.399 that position. And so Kyle Wilbur was another guy like that. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.720 They always move, move him around and all that. But 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.680 he has a lot more talent, a lot more talent, 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.359 and he's smart to to to do it all. I 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.720 just wonder, Yeah, Okay, he could be your tackle unless 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.320 he has to play guard. He plays plays guard and 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.199 then he could move back to tackle or whatever. But 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:15.560 are you are you leaving a pro bowler on the 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:19.400 table by just saying this is your spot. You could 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.480 be a pro bowler if you just you know, hone 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.240 in on that as opposed to be really as opposed 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.359 to being good players kind of bounce back a little bit. 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.560 That's that's the dilemma. That's why position flex sounds great 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.800 when you're drafting, but it also can be a curse 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.399 of a player if they if they just lean on 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.840 your position flex all the time and never develop you 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.960 as a as a full time starter at that spot. Yeah, 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.000 that's one of the things that Stephen Jones pointed out 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.960 the fact that he's young and versatile. Yeah, how you 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:51.280 say um? And it just made me want, oh my gosh. 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:56.440 I would hope that second year he has a spot, 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.159 a specific spot where you're not moving him around, just 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.920 because of what was mentioned, you develop and get better 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.159 and better at that position. And it also makes me 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:08.280 wonder what's the best for the quarterback and the running 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.600 game if you keep moving guys around a whole you 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.919 know too much? I would assume yeah, based on what 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.760 we saw as far as like the struggles at times 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:22.280 with the running game where it just wasn't as consistent 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:24.879 or as good as you wanted it to be. So 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.200 that's where I go back to you. Okay, I want 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.320 to make sure I pin down all my starters at 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.560 the right spot and go with that as long as possible, 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.800 where I can now improve my running game with whoever 0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:38.920 the running back is. Yeah, I just changed my mind 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:42.360 in the whole in this conversation. I think probably if 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:43.960 I had to, if I had to think about what 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:45.880 they're going to do and what they probably should do, 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.520 I think they move on now that now that I 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.640 think about, because I don't I don't trust that he'll 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.080 stay healthy all the time. And it's like Zeke in 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.400 this sense of you can lower the salary to make 0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.399 it work, but the guy has done so much for you. 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.120 He is a Dallas cowboy. He's one of your your 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.880 cornerstone players or be in the Ring of Honor at 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:11.000 some point. Yes, And so they can. They can offer 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.280 Zeke a deal. It's just like they can offer Tyrn 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.439 a deal. They don't want to do that. They did 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.159 not want to offer it. What will really make sense 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:22.399 for them? And five billion isn't a ton to save. 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:27.240 But you gotta have to sign Terrence Steele. Terren Steele 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.280 is a guy that is you know, they want to. 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.400 They want to. He's gonna get a big contract. They 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.760 really like him, and and he's gonna be it. He's 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:37.480 gonna be one of their guys for a while, so 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:41.960 every everything counts. You probably need another left guard. You 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:43.720 do need a left guard, and you've got to figure 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.120 that out with Connor McGovern. I mean, maybe McGovern comes 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:47.880 back to I don't I don't know about that one, 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:52.160 but I'm just saying, you know, Tyrn came back, but 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.679 the problems didn't just get fixed. Even with him on 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.359 the right side. They weren't as good as they were 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:01.000 with Terren Steele. Based on what you've seen Tyma Smith's 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:06.560 career so far. Is he a Hall of Famer? Yeah? 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:12.720 I think so, because was he any different than Joe Thomas. 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:18.280 Joe Thomas I only played eight years and he was Cleveland. 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.359 And I think they look for ways to get Cleveland 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.000 in the Hall of Fame, just like they look for 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:23.440 him to get in the Hall of Fame. Game and 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:28.720 they get one Cleveland versus the Jets, because I mean, 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.480 I was thinking the Cowboys could play the Jets or 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.080 they play Cleveland. I don't remember who told me this. 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.600 Someone told me this that probably not going to happen 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:41.160 that the Cowboys would get in, because they'll they'll definitely 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.920 get in when Witton goes in, but that's still a 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.400 few years away. He's still three years away. Yeah, so 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:51.880 we'll see. But he's Cowboys, Jets and uh Browns for 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:57.800 that one um for the Hall of Fame game. So sorry, 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.400 finish just saying three preseason games for the Cowboys. They 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.520 will not get the fourth game. You like that, Like, 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.120 that is a tough trip, man, it is to clean 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.360 to Cleveland, to Cleveland and they can't you're actually going 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.600 to can't. Yeah. I always say that always makes me 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.080 feel like a bad person. Yeah, because it's not my 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.240 favorite trip in the world. And you're always sitting around somebody, 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.960 some young person that works with us. It's never been 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:21.600 they're like, we're going to the Hall of Fame and 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:25.120 you're like, it's I've been like five times. It's fine, okay, 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:28.680 And then you know, it makes you feel like, oh, okay, Scrooge, 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.040 you're going to the Hall of Fame. Sorry, you know, 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.080 and but but but then it's just it's a tough 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:35.840 You go to Cleveland, then you bust over the game, 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:37.160 then you go to the game. Then you fly out 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.719 at like Akron or Toledo or whatever. We fly all 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.000 the way to Lax and then you you take the 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.120 bus from there to Oxnard. You get in at five 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.000 in the morning, you put your change time zones and 0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:49.920 all that stuff. It's hard. Good luck on that Sunday, Yeah, 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.760 but you don't want to discredit, like if you've never 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:54.760 been to the Hall of Fame, even if you've only 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.000 been waits, I would have awesome. I would have liked 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.160 to be able to be there when DeMarcus goes in, 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.680 just because you know, yeah, kind of root for him. 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.080 So that would have been nice. But that trip is 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.120 a hard and it's it's tough for the for the 0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:09.720 team too. Yeah, it's another game that you have to play. 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.600 You start camp earlier, which you know, coach is probably 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.160 like that part of it because you do get to 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:19.360 have more practices and you start but you still you know, yeah, 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.040 but it's definitely one of those. And I don't want 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.520 to sound ungrateful at all, because it's great anytime you 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:26.480 get to be a part of anything like that. But 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.400 I think once you've been to it once, you're like, okay, 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.760 it was cool all right. I don't think next time 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.120 it's gonna be as different as it was this time. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.960 So you're kind of good with one. Yeah, But um, 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.600 back to Tyrn Smith, I was gonna say that. For me, 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.120 that's hard to answer because I feel most of the 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.400 he's been out most of the time that I've been 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.080 covering the team. I feel like with injuries, you ask 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.760 him about a guy like Sack Martin a thousand percent absolutely, 0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.520 But then you look at Tyrant Smith, I'm like, Okay, 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:05.080 how can I really judge a guy that's been hurt 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:08.360 so much? And that's nothing against him, he just hasn't 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.000 been in as many games. And I feel like in 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:13.880 my time here, I've been talking more about his injuries 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.840 than him on the field. And that's not to say 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.160 that when he's been on the field and there. I 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:24.200 forgot that year that we play against Atlanta, how bad 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:28.960 it was and god that were just abusing Dak. And 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:33.120 you've definitely noticed what a difference maker he's been in 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.440 past year for the Cowboys. But I don't, I don't, 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.000 I don't know. It seems like sometimes some of these 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:44.480 requirements for all of famers, it's kind of tricky. Yeah, 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.680 I'll tell you this for a lot of years. Maybe 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.240 it was before you got here. I could have sworn 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:53.080 it was some years after you're here. But anyway, he 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:58.520 was as steady just from a standpoint, always there, really 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:02.800 and certainly from the standpoint of production, was just a 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.760 phenomenal player. And I just to me, it's all gonna 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.120 be a matter of how the how the people that 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:09.840 vote for the Hall of Fame view him from your 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.880 from what you just talked about, from the latter part 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.320 of his career where he was injured a lot of 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:17.640 versus the earlier part of his career where he was 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.239 there and he was very dominant and people didn't get 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:21.760 around him. I don't care who you were, I don't 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.560 care who the defensive end that was trying to go against, 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.840 Like nobody got around him, he didn't give up sacks 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.240 like he was that good and uh and that guy 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:33.080 I think from that standpoint, he probably should be in 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.240 the Hall of Fame. Yeah, eight Pro Bowls is a lot. 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:39.320 It is, um And one thing that that it comes 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.920 up a lot in the in the discussion, seems to 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:47.400 be the all Decade team UM, which you know, if 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.160 you if you get into your career from twenty fifteen 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.600 to twenty twenty five. You may not make either one 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.800 of them. He but I think he probably would make 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.640 the All Decade team, where I guess it's already been 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:04.920 out make it. I don't know about thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.640 eighteen and nineteen. You would think he should have been 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:11.480 in the Joe Thomas. You know, Joe Thomas is eligible now, 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.600 so that means he must have stopped in like eighteen 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:15.560 or so, so he could be one. I think Tyring 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.160 and I think he was the best. I think I 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.440 think he's probably an All Decade player, and I think 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.400 you could say he's the best, you know, one of 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.000 the best tackles of his errors. So yeah, I think so. 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.000 And to answer your question about when you know at 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:32.400 twenty fifteen he played every game, twenty sixteen he missed three, sixteen, 0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.120 seventeen and eighteen he missed three games each every year, 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.400 and then nineteen he also missed three. So he was 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.840 missing three games a year until twenty twenties when he 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:43.959 got hurt and he was out the whole year. Twenty 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.240 twenty one he missed five games. I mean, it's crazy. 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:52.120 He's like when you said, yeah, like thirteen. The last 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.920 three years, he's missed a lot more than any other 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.160 and so it's going in that direction. But you know, 0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.560 he was about three a year. But even though back 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.800 then you say three. Now now he sounds like, oh no, 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.719 that many, but I don't know. At the time, it 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.680 felt like a whole lot. Also back then, if Tyren 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:11.960 Smith missed the game, probably gonna lose. Yeah, him and 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:16.200 Sean Leeve, they were out. Everything's everything downhill. You're not 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.279 gonna win that game. So I think that's part of 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.720 it too. But that also may speak to how valuable 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:24.080 Tyron was this team, right, Yeah, Yeah, that twenty twenty 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:27.080 season that he I just remember he was hurting Week one, 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.240 didn't play. Then Week two he just kind of fought 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.160 through it and they played really really well. And then 0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.719 the next week he went on ir and for the year, 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.360 you know, with neck injury or surgery or whatever. And 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:40.360 it's just kind of like, you know, he was hurting 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.759 in that game he played, but he played and he 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:44.560 and he locked it down. I mean, that's the thing. 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:47.160 He just doesn't. He doesn't when he's out there, he 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.120 doesn't suck. He doesn't. I mean, he could be hurt. 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:52.480 He could be, he could he wasn't a great game 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.719 when he played that playoff game at right tackle, I 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:56.600 don't think. I think that was probably one of the 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:58.560 games where I've seen in his career, one of the 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.719 very very few games. Yeah, while I was just like, 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.040 he was very average that game in my opinion. 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Well, I don't 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.359 want to exhaust the running back conversation. But as we 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:19.560 were talking about and you missed, as we were talking 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.120 about Tyrant Smith and the injuries and all of that 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:23.879 and the time being out, it just kind of led 0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:30.040 me back to thinking how valuable those types of players are, 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:34.120 the type of players that can't play through injuries. And 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.799 he made me think of Ezekiel Elliott, how tough that 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.200 guy is and how often and people tend to not 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:45.000 realize this, and you want to say every player in 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:48.759 the NFL is dealing with something something, but Seek has 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.719 been one of those guys that it takes a lot 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.440 to get him off the field. And he's a very 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:58.000 team player, you know, he's been great with the whole 0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:01.520 adding Tony Poller into the mix and just being a 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:05.239 team player. But when you look at these past few 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.960 years and you realize, just talking behind the scenes and 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.480 all that, how often he's been dealing with something. He's 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:16.520 still out there producing whatever it is, I'm my owner, whatever, 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:18.560 But the fact that he's still out there doing things 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.520 and we know and I'm not I'm not gonna name 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.279 any names, but we know, we all know there are 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.400 those types of players that as soon as like you 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:32.399 pull a little something, you're like, ohh and you kind 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:36.560 of I'm not saying exaggerated, but you know, those type 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.080 of players that are not like fighting, fighting, fighting and 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:41.840 wanting to be out there on the field. So it 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:47.120 is I see so much value in a guy like 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.640 him and the amount of times that he fights and 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.240 wants to be out there, and you need those type 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:55.840 of players that, despite what you're dealing with, are gonna 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.879 be out there so much. Similar to despite Tyren smith 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.399 injury history, when he is dealing with something, I mean, 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.480 it takes a lot for him also to be pulled 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.520 off the field and he's still out there finishing games 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.839 or whatever. So again, and I wanted to reharsh all 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:12.440 of that, but those are a lot of things that 0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:16.480 I'm positive the front office is taken into consideration. And 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.400 when Steven Jones mentions, we look at things that are 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.759 not stats and numbers, We look at a lot more 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.919 things that are aside of what's looked at or seen 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:28.799 in paper. Do you think that's enough for them to 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:34.399 at least consider keeping Zeke this coming year, knowing that 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.160 he is, like like you said, he's very reliable from 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.920 the standpoint of health, and even when he's not healthy, 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:43.080 he's still there and he's still playing. Do you think 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.279 that's enough for them to say that that should be 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.239 factored in as to when we make a decision on 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:49.759 where we're gonna keep him around or not. Yeah, I 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.480 mean I think it could be factored in. I just 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:57.800 don't see a scenario that Zeke can be the number 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.319 three running back. So if you're going if you're not 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:03.560 going to keep Pollard, if you're gonna let him go 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.440 free agency, and then you draft the guy for sure, 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.080 and then you draft the one and you have Zeke, Okay, 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:13.879 I can I can live with that. But I just 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.239 but even at that, what's he gonna make? I mean, 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.440 would you rather put him down to seven eight million 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.200 a year or just keep Pollard for ten? I mean, 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.400 I think I'd rather have Pollard. You know, I just 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:27.560 don't see a scenario where Zeke can be your third 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:31.319 running How much longer if you had to guess, how 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:36.040 much longer would his career be if he wasn't with 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.719 the Dallas Cowboys, if he was to part ways and 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:42.279 goes to another team, they could play a few more years, 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.120 I would guess, because that's the thing, like there will 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.120 be there will be teams out there that are like, 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.000 you know, yeah, we could take a Zeke Elliot, we 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.080 could work a role for him. I mean, we see 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:52.799 it happened with running backs all the time. You get 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:54.759 a Levion Bell who's really great, and then he goes 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.600 somewhere else and he just kind of meanders a little bit. 0:41:57.680 --> 0:41:59.520 You know, you see it. You saw it with Todd Gurley, 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.760 like he's really good running backs. They can go somewhere 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:03.919 else and they can play for a few more years 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.839 where a team can kind of just get a little 0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.480 and the expectation is different. As long as he's here, 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.799 he's gonna be Zeke. You know, when you go somewhere else, 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:14.640 then their expectations are a little less because they know 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.960 they're getting him at a stage in his career where 0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.799 he's not Zeke that you drafted, you know, so in 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.680 twenty sixteen. So so yeah, I think he'd go another 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.400 three years to say, and he's got he's such a 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:27.920 good short yardage back, he's a goal line back, and 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.440 we saw it this year. I mean it might be 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.319 the last year of his career with the Cowboys, but 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.440 he had twelve touchdowns, you know, and he had another 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:38.040 guy that was making the Pro Bowl that we were 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:41.440 sharing the load with. But he still was productive. And 0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.320 he can be productive for another team, especially for everything 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:46.400 you just set on. You know, he's gonna give you 0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:48.399 everything he's got. He's gonna be out there, he's gonna 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.040 be you know, he's gonna get his body ready enough 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.279 to play, and you know he sacrifices abody. Plus he's 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:58.319 a really really good pass protection running back. So he's 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.120 got some traits like Steve and was saying, got traits 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:05.640 that don't necessarily you know, you know, always work out 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:07.520 on the stat sheet. Yeah, you put him with a 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.640 run heavy team, you put him with a team that 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.839 maybe plays in cold weather, and I think they could 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:15.960 find a really good role for him for another few years. 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:17.719 And by the way, that could be here with Dallas. 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.960 Dallas could look at it and say, hey, we have 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.920 a role for you, Zeke. We're gonna cut the salary. 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:24.879 He may be okay with that, maybe he's not, but 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.040 maybe they find a role that they say, you know, 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.560 we think we're gonna have We're gonna go a little 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.840 younger at running back. We want a little more juice, 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.200 but we still want you to be here. We want 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.080 you to be a kind of our short yardage goal 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.759 line type back. I still think there's value in him, 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:41.319 but it just can't be at the price that he's 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.840 been accustomed to being paid. And you kind of have 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:47.040 to tear up that that thought process of well as Zeke. 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:48.880 We don't really want to give him a price that 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.560 insults him. It might not insults him. He may look 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:53.360 at him and say, I know exactly where I am 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:56.680 in my career, and I'm good with staying here, continuing 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.280 to live in Dallas, be a part of the community 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.160 I've build here, and I'll take less money to do 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.239 that role. Who knows, but at least that's something I 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.560 think should be considered. If the Cowboys are willing to 0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:11.200 consider it. Yeah, I guess we'll see. We definitely will see. 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.320 There's a lot that has to play out over the 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:14.799 next couple of weeks, but make sure you check out 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:18.000 the website the mobile app. This week we'll be covering 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:21.680 scouting combine in Indianapolis. We got three of our reporters 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:24.560 down there covering covering what's going on down there, so 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:26.359 there'll be lots of content coming out of there. I'm 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.759 sure Jerry will be talking some time this week. Mike 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:32.279 McCarthy's actually coming up today at one o'clock. I think 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.560 actually it's gonna be twelve o'clock here, but we're gonna 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.439 stream it live on the website and the mobile app. 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:38.680 So if you want the opportunity to be able to 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:40.160 check that out, and make sure you check that out 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:43.120 until next week. For Nicki minambergar See. I'm Derek Kielton. 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.120 This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:49.280 Com Radio. 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