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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, Brian brought us a bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: episode number one eighteen. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break. We are alive from the s WBC Mortgage

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Speaker 1: here today. Brian's actually covering baseball all today, so he's

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Speaker 1: out of surprise Arizona doing a little baseball coverage. But

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hold it down today. Talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the NFL Scouting Combine. We've got a news coming

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Speaker 1: out of there yesterday. We'll talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what Steven Jones had to say on a myriad of topics.

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Speaker 1: We'll also get to our series that we've been running

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Speaker 1: through biggest question Cowboys have at each position. Today, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line. We might get a little

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Speaker 1: farther than that, but judging about how things have been going,

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Speaker 1: typically two positions is about as much as we can

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Speaker 1: get into a show. So let's start first with Steven

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Speaker 1: Jones and his comments yesterday from the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: When asked about the franchise tag. Here was his quote,

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Speaker 1: more than likely, we'll use our tag, not necessarily on Tony,

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Speaker 1: with the franchise tag last week. Just to remember, remind everyone,

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Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz would count about thirteen million if they were

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Speaker 1: to tag him again. Tony Pollo would count about ten

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Speaker 1: point one million. Odovan Wilson could be an option at

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Speaker 1: fourteen almost fourteen and a half million. Layton Vanderesh, I

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read into this. I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to use it on Tony Pollard. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: only franchise tag option that's really in play now. You

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Speaker 1: for Polar Well, only if they're trying to negotiate a

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Speaker 1: left tackle that you have at left guard, you'd say five.

428
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Speaker 1: I mean that you would say five if you got him,

429
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: So you say five if you cut him. I think

430
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: you could save more if you did it after June one.

431
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: But again to that point and then get and then

432
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Speaker 1: get who the somebody gets banged up Tyler to Aaron

433
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,239
Speaker 1: Steele gets hurt again, and now you're sitting you know.

434
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: So if you're thinking about from a standpoint, let's say

435
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 1: you're just looking at the room. And that's why I

436
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: asked the question of what his role is if you

437
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: wanted to continue to develop Tyler Smith as your left tackle,

438
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: is there any scenario into which you would have Tyron

439
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 1: Smith be your swing tackle? I don't know, he said.

440
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: Tyler Tyler. Oh no, Tyrn Tyrn, tyrone um. I think

441
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: we just swing into retirement if that happens. I just

442
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: don't you think he'll swing in every time where you

443
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: get the Cowboys. I just don't think that's what he's

444
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna do. But I don't. I don't know. I've had

445
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 1: four conversations. But he's not a man of many words.

446
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: Spot Track has him the twenty third ranked salary in

447
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: the league with left tackles. Not bad, it's pretty good.

448
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: But either way, you know, every year, I wonder, at

449
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: what point is it enough? What point is it like

450
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: your time is up? And I'm not talking about necessarily

451
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys, uh you, but also from him as

452
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: a player, Like I get it. He's he's a big,

453
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: strong guy, he's a machine. He's someone like we always

454
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: talk about it like it's insane, the fact that he

455
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: is still when he is on the field, the way

456
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: he plays and he looks aside from all the injuries,

457
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,719
Speaker 1: but what point is it that your body's like, Okay,

458
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: that's enough injuries. You can only take so many. So

459
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: it does make me wonder. And and he's been out

460
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: here working, he's been working out, and you know, I

461
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: just I don't know where he stands mentally and where

462
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: he is as far as like how long he sees

463
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: himself kind of keep playing. But going back to like

464
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: what you think his role would be, you talk about

465
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: the amount of different guys that you plug in, and

466
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: we saw that with the Cowboys this last year, with

467
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: how many times they flipped and move guys around. But

468
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: I think we would all agree that ideally you want

469
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: to keep you're five in the same spot as often

470
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: as possible. But I don't know how long he can

471
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Speaker 1: count on him, and I think I would rather start

472
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: off the season, would know. I just it's hard to

473
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: sideline a guy like Tyrant Smith. But I just I

474
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: don't know what his real role is. You don't know

475
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: if he's gonna get injured at training camp. You don't

476
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: know at what point he's gonna pull something and get hurt.

477
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: He ended up playing how many games last here? Like five? Yeah?

478
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: You know, I mean bas based on his injury history.

479
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: How how comfortable do you guys feel with having him

480
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: be a week one starter? Um, if he does, it

481
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: means he'll be rusty because he didn't have any work

482
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: in training camp. Because if he gets work in training camp,

483
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: he'll probably get banged up. So so to answer your question,

484
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm not then your backup is getting reps right and

485
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 1: getting ready just incase, here's what I worry about with

486
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith. I worry about Tyler Smith being Tyrone Crawford.

487
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: And I say that as a guy that could play end,

488
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: he could play tackle. Let's do him at both. Let's

489
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: play you know, he never knows exactly where where to

490
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: put his weight at during the offseason because he could

491
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: get moved at any time to end. So he's now

492
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna play tackle, but then he gets moved out

493
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: to end and they're always doesn't get any sacks. Well,

494
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the burst because you had him at

495
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds at where he's just not working at

496
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: that position. And so Kyle Wilbur was another guy like that.

497
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: They always move, move him around and all that. But

498
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: he has a lot more talent, a lot more talent,

499
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: and he's smart to to to do it all. I

500
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: just wonder, Yeah, Okay, he could be your tackle unless

501
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: he has to play guard. He plays plays guard and

502
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: then he could move back to tackle or whatever. But

503
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: are you are you leaving a pro bowler on the

504
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: table by just saying this is your spot. You could

505
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: be a pro bowler if you just you know, hone

506
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: in on that as opposed to be really as opposed

507
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: to being good players kind of bounce back a little bit.

508
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: That's that's the dilemma. That's why position flex sounds great

509
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: when you're drafting, but it also can be a curse

510
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: of a player if they if they just lean on

511
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: your position flex all the time and never develop you

512
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: as a as a full time starter at that spot. Yeah,

513
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that Stephen Jones pointed out

514
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: the fact that he's young and versatile. Yeah, how you

515
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: say um? And it just made me want, oh my gosh.

516
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: I would hope that second year he has a spot,

517
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: a specific spot where you're not moving him around, just

518
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: because of what was mentioned, you develop and get better

519
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: and better at that position. And it also makes me

520
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: wonder what's the best for the quarterback and the running

521
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: game if you keep moving guys around a whole you

522
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: know too much? I would assume yeah, based on what

523
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: we saw as far as like the struggles at times

524
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: with the running game where it just wasn't as consistent

525
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: or as good as you wanted it to be. So

526
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: that's where I go back to you. Okay, I want

527
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: to make sure I pin down all my starters at

528
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: the right spot and go with that as long as possible,

529
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: where I can now improve my running game with whoever

530
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: the running back is. Yeah, I just changed my mind

531
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: in the whole in this conversation. I think probably if

532
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: I had to, if I had to think about what

533
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: they're going to do and what they probably should do,

534
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: I think they move on now that now that I

535
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: think about, because I don't I don't trust that he'll

536
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: stay healthy all the time. And it's like Zeke in

537
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: this sense of you can lower the salary to make

538
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: it work, but the guy has done so much for you.

539
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: He is a Dallas cowboy. He's one of your your

540
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: cornerstone players or be in the Ring of Honor at

541
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: some point. Yes, And so they can. They can offer

542
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: Zeke a deal. It's just like they can offer Tyrn

543
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: a deal. They don't want to do that. They did

544
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: not want to offer it. What will really make sense

545
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: for them? And five billion isn't a ton to save.

546
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: But you gotta have to sign Terrence Steele. Terren Steele

547
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: is a guy that is you know, they want to.

548
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: They want to. He's gonna get a big contract. They

549
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: really like him, and and he's gonna be it. He's

550
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: gonna be one of their guys for a while, so

551
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: every everything counts. You probably need another left guard. You

552
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: do need a left guard, and you've got to figure

553
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: that out with Connor McGovern. I mean, maybe McGovern comes

554
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: back to I don't I don't know about that one,

555
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, you know, Tyrn came back, but

556
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: the problems didn't just get fixed. Even with him on

557
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: the right side. They weren't as good as they were

558
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: with Terren Steele. Based on what you've seen Tyma Smith's

559
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: career so far. Is he a Hall of Famer? Yeah?

560
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: I think so, because was he any different than Joe Thomas.

561
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas I only played eight years and he was Cleveland.

562
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: And I think they look for ways to get Cleveland

563
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, just like they look for

564
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: him to get in the Hall of Fame. Game and

565
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: they get one Cleveland versus the Jets, because I mean,

566
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking the Cowboys could play the Jets or

567
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: they play Cleveland. I don't remember who told me this.

568
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Someone told me this that probably not going to happen

569
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would get in, because they'll they'll definitely

570
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: get in when Witton goes in, but that's still a

571
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: few years away. He's still three years away. Yeah, so

572
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: we'll see. But he's Cowboys, Jets and uh Browns for

573
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: that one um for the Hall of Fame game. So sorry,

574
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: finish just saying three preseason games for the Cowboys. They

575
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: will not get the fourth game. You like that, Like,

576
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: that is a tough trip, man, it is to clean

577
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: to Cleveland, to Cleveland and they can't you're actually going

578
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: to can't. Yeah. I always say that always makes me

579
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: feel like a bad person. Yeah, because it's not my

580
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: favorite trip in the world. And you're always sitting around somebody,

581
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: some young person that works with us. It's never been

582
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: they're like, we're going to the Hall of Fame and

583
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: you're like, it's I've been like five times. It's fine, okay,

584
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: And then you know, it makes you feel like, oh, okay, Scrooge,

585
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: you're going to the Hall of Fame. Sorry, you know,

586
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: and but but but then it's just it's a tough

587
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: You go to Cleveland, then you bust over the game,

588
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: then you go to the game. Then you fly out

589
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: at like Akron or Toledo or whatever. We fly all

590
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: the way to Lax and then you you take the

591
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: bus from there to Oxnard. You get in at five

592
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: in the morning, you put your change time zones and

593
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's hard. Good luck on that Sunday, Yeah,

594
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: but you don't want to discredit, like if you've never

595
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: been to the Hall of Fame, even if you've only

596
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: been waits, I would have awesome. I would have liked

597
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: to be able to be there when DeMarcus goes in,

598
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: just because you know, yeah, kind of root for him.

599
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: So that would have been nice. But that trip is

600
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: a hard and it's it's tough for the for the

601
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: team too. Yeah, it's another game that you have to play.

602
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: You start camp earlier, which you know, coach is probably

603
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: like that part of it because you do get to

604
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: have more practices and you start but you still you know, yeah,

605
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: but it's definitely one of those. And I don't want

606
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: to sound ungrateful at all, because it's great anytime you

607
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: get to be a part of anything like that. But

608
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: I think once you've been to it once, you're like, okay,

609
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: it was cool all right. I don't think next time

610
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be as different as it was this time.

611
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: So you're kind of good with one. Yeah, But um,

612
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: back to Tyrn Smith, I was gonna say that. For me,

613
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: that's hard to answer because I feel most of the

614
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: he's been out most of the time that I've been

615
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: covering the team. I feel like with injuries, you ask

616
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: him about a guy like Sack Martin a thousand percent absolutely,

617
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: But then you look at Tyrant Smith, I'm like, Okay,

618
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: how can I really judge a guy that's been hurt

619
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: so much? And that's nothing against him, he just hasn't

620
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: been in as many games. And I feel like in

621
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: my time here, I've been talking more about his injuries

622
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: than him on the field. And that's not to say

623
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: that when he's been on the field and there. I

624
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: forgot that year that we play against Atlanta, how bad

625
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: it was and god that were just abusing Dak. And

626
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: you've definitely noticed what a difference maker he's been in

627
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: past year for the Cowboys. But I don't, I don't,

628
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like sometimes some of these

629
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: requirements for all of famers, it's kind of tricky. Yeah,

630
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this for a lot of years. Maybe

631
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: it was before you got here. I could have sworn

632
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: it was some years after you're here. But anyway, he

633
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: was as steady just from a standpoint, always there, really

634
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: and certainly from the standpoint of production, was just a

635
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: phenomenal player. And I just to me, it's all gonna

636
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: be a matter of how the how the people that

637
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: vote for the Hall of Fame view him from your

638
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: from what you just talked about, from the latter part

639
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: of his career where he was injured a lot of

640
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Speaker 1: versus the earlier part of his career where he was

641
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Speaker 1: there and he was very dominant and people didn't get

642
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: around him. I don't care who you were, I don't

643
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: care who the defensive end that was trying to go against,

644
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Like nobody got around him, he didn't give up sacks

645
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: like he was that good and uh and that guy

646
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Speaker 1: I think from that standpoint, he probably should be in

647
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Yeah, eight Pro Bowls is a lot.

648
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: It is, um And one thing that that it comes

649
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Speaker 1: up a lot in the in the discussion, seems to

650
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Speaker 1: be the all Decade team UM, which you know, if

651
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Speaker 1: you if you get into your career from twenty fifteen

652
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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five. You may not make either one

653
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: of them. He but I think he probably would make

654
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Speaker 1: the All Decade team, where I guess it's already been

655
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Speaker 1: out make it. I don't know about thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,

656
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Speaker 1: eighteen and nineteen. You would think he should have been

657
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Speaker 1: in the Joe Thomas. You know, Joe Thomas is eligible now,

658
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: so that means he must have stopped in like eighteen

659
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Speaker 1: or so, so he could be one. I think Tyring

660
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Speaker 1: and I think he was the best. I think I

661
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: think he's probably an All Decade player, and I think

662
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Speaker 1: you could say he's the best, you know, one of

663
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Speaker 1: the best tackles of his errors. So yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: And to answer your question about when you know at

665
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen he played every game, twenty sixteen he missed three, sixteen,

666
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Speaker 1: seventeen and eighteen he missed three games each every year,

667
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Speaker 1: and then nineteen he also missed three. So he was

668
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: missing three games a year until twenty twenties when he

669
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Speaker 1: got hurt and he was out the whole year. Twenty

670
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: twenty one he missed five games. I mean, it's crazy.

671
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Speaker 1: He's like when you said, yeah, like thirteen. The last

672
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: three years, he's missed a lot more than any other

673
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: and so it's going in that direction. But you know,

674
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Speaker 1: he was about three a year. But even though back

675
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Speaker 1: then you say three. Now now he sounds like, oh no,

676
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: that many, but I don't know. At the time, it

677
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: felt like a whole lot. Also back then, if Tyren

678
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Speaker 1: Smith missed the game, probably gonna lose. Yeah, him and

679
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: Sean Leeve, they were out. Everything's everything downhill. You're not

680
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: gonna win that game. So I think that's part of

681
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: it too. But that also may speak to how valuable

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00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Tyron was this team, right, Yeah, Yeah, that twenty twenty

683
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: season that he I just remember he was hurting Week one,

684
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: didn't play. Then Week two he just kind of fought

685
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Speaker 1: through it and they played really really well. And then

686
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: the next week he went on ir and for the year,

687
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, with neck injury or surgery or whatever. And

688
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, you know, he was hurting

689
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: in that game he played, but he played and he

690
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: and he locked it down. I mean, that's the thing.

691
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: He just doesn't. He doesn't when he's out there, he

692
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: doesn't suck. He doesn't. I mean, he could be hurt.

693
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: He could be, he could he wasn't a great game

694
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Speaker 1: when he played that playoff game at right tackle, I

695
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: don't think. I think that was probably one of the

696
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Speaker 1: games where I've seen in his career, one of the

697
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: very very few games. Yeah, while I was just like,

698
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: he was very average that game in my opinion. Yeah,

699
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: speaking of her, I know we have to go to break,

700
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Speaker 1: but can I kind of take it back to running

701
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Speaker 1: back for a quick sagon after we come back from

702
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Speaker 1: break to us, Yeah, let's do that, and you know

703
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Speaker 1: we'll do We'll just we'll do that and then we'll

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Speaker 1: see if we get into these our series, we might

705
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Speaker 1: put off the series or let's see, we'll come back

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Speaker 1: Up Right before the Break, you had a question. What's

752
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: your question? Yeah, okay, you've got a problem. We're a

753
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: little aggressive with a paper over there. Well, I don't

754
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: want to exhaust the running back conversation. But as we

755
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: were talking about and you missed, as we were talking

756
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: about Tyrant Smith and the injuries and all of that

757
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: and the time being out, it just kind of led

758
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: me back to thinking how valuable those types of players are,

759
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: the type of players that can't play through injuries. And

760
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: he made me think of Ezekiel Elliott, how tough that

761
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: guy is and how often and people tend to not

762
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: realize this, and you want to say every player in

763
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: the NFL is dealing with something something, but Seek has

764
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: been one of those guys that it takes a lot

765
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: to get him off the field. And he's a very

766
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: team player, you know, he's been great with the whole

767
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: adding Tony Poller into the mix and just being a

768
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: team player. But when you look at these past few

769
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: years and you realize, just talking behind the scenes and

770
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: all that, how often he's been dealing with something. He's

771
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: still out there producing whatever it is, I'm my owner, whatever,

772
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: But the fact that he's still out there doing things

773
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: and we know and I'm not I'm not gonna name

774
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: any names, but we know, we all know there are

775
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: those types of players that as soon as like you

776
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: pull a little something, you're like, ohh and you kind

777
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: of I'm not saying exaggerated, but you know, those type

778
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: of players that are not like fighting, fighting, fighting and

779
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: wanting to be out there on the field. So it

780
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: is I see so much value in a guy like

781
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: him and the amount of times that he fights and

782
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: wants to be out there, and you need those type

783
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: of players that, despite what you're dealing with, are gonna

784
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: be out there so much. Similar to despite Tyren smith

785
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: injury history, when he is dealing with something, I mean,

786
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: it takes a lot for him also to be pulled

787
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: off the field and he's still out there finishing games

788
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: or whatever. So again, and I wanted to reharsh all

789
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: of that, but those are a lot of things that

790
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm positive the front office is taken into consideration. And

791
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: when Steven Jones mentions, we look at things that are

792
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: not stats and numbers, We look at a lot more

793
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: things that are aside of what's looked at or seen

794
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: in paper. Do you think that's enough for them to

795
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: at least consider keeping Zeke this coming year, knowing that

796
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: he is, like like you said, he's very reliable from

797
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: the standpoint of health, and even when he's not healthy,

798
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: he's still there and he's still playing. Do you think

799
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: that's enough for them to say that that should be

800
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: factored in as to when we make a decision on

801
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: where we're gonna keep him around or not. Yeah, I

802
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: mean I think it could be factored in. I just

803
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: don't see a scenario that Zeke can be the number

804
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: three running back. So if you're going if you're not

805
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: going to keep Pollard, if you're gonna let him go

806
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: free agency, and then you draft the guy for sure,

807
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: and then you draft the one and you have Zeke, Okay,

808
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: I can I can live with that. But I just

809
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: but even at that, what's he gonna make? I mean,

810
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Speaker 1: would you rather put him down to seven eight million

811
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Speaker 1: a year or just keep Pollard for ten? I mean,

812
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: I think I'd rather have Pollard. You know, I just

813
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: don't see a scenario where Zeke can be your third

814
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Speaker 1: running How much longer if you had to guess, how

815
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: much longer would his career be if he wasn't with

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00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, if he was to part ways and

817
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: goes to another team, they could play a few more years,

818
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: I would guess, because that's the thing, like there will

819
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: be there will be teams out there that are like,

820
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we could take a Zeke Elliot, we

821
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: could work a role for him. I mean, we see

822
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: it happened with running backs all the time. You get

823
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: a Levion Bell who's really great, and then he goes

824
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: somewhere else and he just kind of meanders a little bit.

825
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, you see it. You saw it with Todd Gurley,

826
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: like he's really good running backs. They can go somewhere

827
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: else and they can play for a few more years

828
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: where a team can kind of just get a little

829
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: and the expectation is different. As long as he's here,

830
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: he's gonna be Zeke. You know, when you go somewhere else,

831
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: then their expectations are a little less because they know

832
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: they're getting him at a stage in his career where

833
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: he's not Zeke that you drafted, you know, so in

834
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So so yeah, I think he'd go another

835
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: three years to say, and he's got he's such a

836
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: good short yardage back, he's a goal line back, and

837
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: we saw it this year. I mean it might be

838
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: the last year of his career with the Cowboys, but

839
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Speaker 1: he had twelve touchdowns, you know, and he had another

840
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: guy that was making the Pro Bowl that we were

841
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: sharing the load with. But he still was productive. And

842
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: he can be productive for another team, especially for everything

843
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: you just set on. You know, he's gonna give you

844
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: everything he's got. He's gonna be out there, he's gonna

845
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: be you know, he's gonna get his body ready enough

846
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: to play, and you know he sacrifices abody. Plus he's

847
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: a really really good pass protection running back. So he's

848
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: got some traits like Steve and was saying, got traits

849
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: that don't necessarily you know, you know, always work out

850
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: on the stat sheet. Yeah, you put him with a

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that could be here with Dallas.

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Speaker 1: He may be okay with that, maybe he's not, but

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Speaker 1: but it just can't be at the price that he's

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Speaker 1: We don't really want to give him a price that

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Speaker 1: insults him. It might not insults him. He may look

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Speaker 1: in my career, and I'm good with staying here, continuing

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Speaker 1: to live in Dallas, be a part of the community

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Speaker 1: I've build here, and I'll take less money to do

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Speaker 1: that role. Who knows, but at least that's something I

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Speaker 1: consider it. Yeah, I guess we'll see. We definitely will see.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot that has to play out over the

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, but make sure you check out

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Speaker 1: the website the mobile app. This week we'll be covering

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Speaker 1: scouting combine in Indianapolis. We got three of our reporters

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Speaker 1: there'll be lots of content coming out of there. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Jerry will be talking some time this week. Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's actually coming up today at one o'clock. I think

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Speaker 1: actually it's gonna be twelve o'clock here, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: stream it live on the website and the mobile app.

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Speaker 1: So if you want the opportunity to be able to

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