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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is the one and only Linda Ronstad

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Speaker 1: who has a brand new book, Feels Like Home. Linda,

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Speaker 1: good to have you on the podcast. Oh, thank you

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Speaker 1: for including me. Okay, so what was the inspiration for

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Speaker 1: the book? Well, I made a trip with Lawrence Downs,

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Speaker 1: who writes for the New York Times, and um, he

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Speaker 1: was doing a travel piece on me someplace that I

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Speaker 1: would like to explore, and I said, let's do it

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Speaker 1: out of the Sonoran Desert because it exists on both

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Speaker 1: sides of the border. We can make a trip to

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Speaker 1: Mexico and go visit the little town where my grandfather

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Speaker 1: was born. And he wrote a travel piece about that,

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Speaker 1: and then, um, we decided. When I was in but

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Speaker 1: Im that little town in the Mexican town with my

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Speaker 1: grandfather was born, I was thinking about my great grandmother

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Speaker 1: and I was sitting in the plaza looking across the

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Speaker 1: plaza to the church and realized that that's where she

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Speaker 1: would have taken him to be baptized. And she started

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Speaker 1: her married life in Bonamici. And I thought I'd like

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Speaker 1: to know more about my great grandmother, and I like

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Speaker 1: to write about her. So I um, I asked Lawrence

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Speaker 1: if he wanted to write about our trip too to Mexico.

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Speaker 1: We made some return trips and explore Sonoran culture through

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Speaker 1: the eyes of my great grandmother down through the generations

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Speaker 1: to the fifth generation in Tucson. When you were growing up,

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Speaker 1: did your family discuss this history or did you have

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Speaker 1: to research it? No? They kept letters, so I had

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Speaker 1: to find the letters. There were the Arizona Historical Society.

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Speaker 1: I was lucky that we found letters because there would

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Speaker 1: be no other way to know my great grandmother. My

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Speaker 1: father talked about her a little bit and said she

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Speaker 1: was nice. He was certainly pretty, but um, she dried

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Speaker 1: fairly young. Okay. So in the book it talks about

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Speaker 1: how your family ultimately comes together. There was a relative

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Speaker 1: who came from Germany and ultimately married a woman in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit more about that. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Friedrich Aretaicas just came from Germany, who was my great grandfather,

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Speaker 1: and he was he had been in the military and

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Speaker 1: um Austria where he came from her to Germany, and

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Speaker 1: so he became a colonel in the Mexican Army. But

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Speaker 1: he was also the first mining engineer in the region,

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Speaker 1: and so he was the one that ran all the mines.

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Speaker 1: That's a very rich mining area, silver and gold and copper.

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Speaker 1: And he was also the ran the end of Jenner Piscata,

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Speaker 1: who he was. His colonel Genner Piscada is credited with

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Speaker 1: driving the French out of Sonora, the state of Sonora.

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Speaker 1: So he was and he had his own ranches. He

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Speaker 1: married into the Rodondo family. They were very influential down

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Speaker 1: that they stole from the Indians. And um, she married him.

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Speaker 1: He was fifty years older than she was, I think,

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Speaker 1: but that was normal in those days. The older men

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Speaker 1: were married younger women because they they were widowers. So

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Speaker 1: she was. He was a widower and had five children,

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Speaker 1: traveling around to the mines. And how did your family

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Speaker 1: end up in Tucson. They just migrated to son was

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Speaker 1: in that was part of Mexico. He was probably working

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Speaker 1: my my grandfather was sent to apprentice with with an

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Speaker 1: iron maker, which was a relative of his. Now, one

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Speaker 1: Those are the cactuses with big arms, go really high,

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Speaker 1: you're in the Sonora Desert. You know that you're within

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Speaker 1: When you go south, the organ pipe cactus instead. But

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of the Mexican Revolution

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Speaker 1: the evolution of that. Well, my grandfather was sent north

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Speaker 1: My father worked in that store too. Now you say

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Speaker 1: and how sad that was? Well, the big box stories

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Speaker 1: go into my father's hardvarre store. I took up a

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Speaker 1: did you hang out of your father's store. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: smelled like these loil It was really beautiful, had great

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Speaker 1: you used to play around stuff? Did you break stuff

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Speaker 1: dad's or it was all made of metal. But they

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Speaker 1: really cool, and at a housewards department two. So did

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Speaker 1: you get a lot of toys since they were in

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Speaker 1: the store more than your friends? No, I got it,

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Speaker 1: Madame Alexander All usually every Christmas. That was pretty cool. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you're growing up in Tucson and the fifties, you know,

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Speaker 1: is there television, how many stations radio? Does Tucsson feel

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Speaker 1: and found out that everybody else had green lawns and popsicles,

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Speaker 1: I thought everybody was like that until I went to school.

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Speaker 1: But I always knew I was Mexican. If you ever

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Speaker 1: mm hmm. And were you good in school? No? It

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Speaker 1: went to Catholic school and they all they tell those

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Speaker 1: was a good reader, and I've always been a reader,

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Speaker 1: but I couldn't do school very well. You were mean

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Speaker 1: bad in school? I wasn't bad in school. I just

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Speaker 1: didn't I just didn't like it. I mean I could

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Speaker 1: pay attention. So what was occupying your time growing up?

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Speaker 1: Horses and put my pony? So when did you get

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Speaker 1: far from home? Oh? Away, far to the base of

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Speaker 1: for us. But they weren't. They were negligent parents. That

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Speaker 1: ever have any trouble that far from home? I fell

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Speaker 1: And did you get hurt? Broke my arm, broke your arm?

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Well, I fell with my sister's

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Speaker 1: immediately know it was broken? Well, I know it hurt.

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Speaker 1: signed their names? Yep? Did that exactly? Uh huh. Now,

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Speaker 1: you have a recipe for refried beans. And as long

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Speaker 1: a century, I did not know that. That didn't mean

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Speaker 1: that in your book. So growing up, did you eat

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Speaker 1: Who made the tortillas amalia? When that worked for us?

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Speaker 1: And that's a big point in the book that that

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Speaker 1: Sonoran tortillas are thinner and larger than what many people

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Speaker 1: paper thin and they're delicious. They're making with really good

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Speaker 1: wheat which they grow in Mexico, which they don't they

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Speaker 1: And so as I say, there's a number of recipes

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Speaker 1: tortillas and beans. So you're living in Tucson and you

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Speaker 1: and do you remember that from a young age. But

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Speaker 1: be roasted chilis and roasted different roasted peppers, and different

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Speaker 1: I was protected from stuff like that. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: to deal with the record company. Okay, the book, the

428
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 1: new Book Feels like Home, has a lot of recipes,

429
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: goes into food. Yet there's uh a lot of stars

430
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: talk about how they're pressured to be skinny. So what

431
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: was that like when you were a star? I don't know.

432
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: I wait ten pounds less than I did in high school.

433
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: I was thinned for a long time just naturally, and

434
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: then just naturally gained weight and it just naturally lost

435
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: it again when his body are made to expand and contract,

436
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: and it was very contracted. How did you meet David

437
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: Geffen on the Troubador and did he approach you? Well,

438
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: we had a kind of brendan common. He didn't approach me.

439
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: We had a friend in common that had worked with him. Um,

440
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: it was his room. It was his college roommate in school.

441
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: He said, you got made. My friend, David Geffen, he's

442
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: moving out to Los Angeles and he'll love you. I said, okay,

443
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: I'll look for him at the Troubador. It came up

444
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: and introduced him as the friend of this friend of mine,

445
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: his old college roommate, and he was very charming. We

446
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: got along fine. And how did you end up being

447
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: signed to Asylum Records? Well? I had offers from Colombia

448
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: and Warner Brothers and what was however Grossman's label and

449
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: from David and John Boyland was advising me then, and

450
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: he advised me to go with David because the Eagles

451
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: are already over there, and Joni Mitchell and James Um

452
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: James James Taylor wasn't with the music Peter Esher, but anyway,

453
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: it just seemed like a more natural context for me?

454
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: And how did j d end up producing the first record? Um,

455
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: I can't remember, to tell the truth, the record wasn't

456
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: coming out and I listed him to help and that

457
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: record was a mess. Well, the record came out and

458
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: was not financially successful. Uh commercially successful? Was that disheartening?

459
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: I didn't paid head just things like that. So ultimately,

460
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: how do you meet Andrew gold and what influence did

461
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: he have on your music? I met Andrew Golden was

462
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: in the Stone Ponies and we had a friend who

463
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: was a teacher at us sort of a Tony private

464
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: school in the valley, I can remember the name of it.

465
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: And we went there to visit my friend the teacher's class,

466
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Andrew Golden, Wendy Wendy Steiner she had now called Wendy Waldman.

467
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: We're there in a band, and we thought they were

468
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: really good. Wendy Whendy Wendy Waldman is really talented singer

469
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: and absolutely first album, Love has Got Me unbelievable. I'm

470
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: friends with Wendy, I'm a big fan. I'm a huge

471
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: fan too, And I heard her singing the songs from

472
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: Love Has Got Me at her school, at her high school,

473
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: and I thought She was really good, and I thought

474
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: Andrew was good too, and they eventually formed a band together.

475
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: But there they were. All was Wendy things back up

476
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: on my live album that Live in Hollywood, that's Wendy

477
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: and and and Kenny singing together. Wendy, Kenny and Andrew

478
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: had a band. And also, um basn't remember. So how

479
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: do you end up working with Andrew? I just hired

480
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: him to go on the road. I had him to

481
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: be my guitar player. Peter Asher was impressive too, and

482
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: whose idea was it? To you do? You're no good?

483
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: And how did that come? Fine? It was a song

484
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: we added as an afterthought to the show. Because I

485
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: sang bellots all the time, it got boring, so I

486
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: had to learn a tempo song. So I played that

487
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: for Peter and he liked it. And Peter did very

488
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 1: good work on that production. He and Andrew did it together,

489
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: but it was Peter keeping everything straight. He did great

490
00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: arrangement ideas, and it was a good sounding record. I thought, well,

491
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: it certainly was. So when the record was done, did

492
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: you know it was a hit? I thought it was strong?

493
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: And how did you find the mcgaricle's heart like a wheel?

494
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: I was sitting in a taxicab with Jerry Jeff Walker

495
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: about five in the morning, sun was just rising, and

496
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: I said, I am looking for songs. I come to

497
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: New York looking for songs. And we spent the night.

498
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: We spent the evening at Gary Gary White's house, the

499
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: guy that wrote a long time, and he said, I

500
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: know a song you could do. He said, there's these

501
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: two girls, these two sisters. I'll see them at the

502
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Folk Festival, which was in a couple of weeks.

503
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: And she said they wrote the song called hard Like

504
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: a Wheel. And he sang me the first two lines

505
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: of three lines of hard Like a Wheel, and I

506
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: just flipped out. I said, you could please tell them

507
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: they have to send it and I'm going home in

508
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: About two weeks later, it came this real, the real

509
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: tape in the mail. It was mcgarriel's sisters. They recorded

510
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: with a piano and a cello. This just gave me

511
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: the idea to the string trio on it. So and

512
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: how about when will I Be Loved? How did you

513
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: decide to do that? I heard that from the Amally brothers,

514
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter anymore. I heard diferent Buddy Holly

515
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Well, when you would go

516
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: to make these albums, what was the procedure in finding

517
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: songs and ultimately deciding the ten or twelve that would

518
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: be on the record. Well, it was always hard to

519
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: find material because I hadn't found my voice yet, and

520
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I didn't really find my voice until But I was

521
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: still learning and I was doing the best I could,

522
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: and I chose songs that were inappropriate for me. Often

523
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of singer songwriters and they

524
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: write like Brandy Newman rights for his own boys. It's

525
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: hard to do his songs until you get really good

526
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: at it. So the songs that I loved and wanted

527
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: to sing, I wouldn't been in sing very well. So

528
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: tell me about finding your voice. Well, I started singing

529
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: better time in my phrasing. He had rushing the time

530
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: when I got with musicians that were demanding it body

531
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: Wotel mainly, and I improved my singing. And then I

532
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: had always wanted to do work in a real theater,

533
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: and I left Gilbert and Sullivan. So I was taken

534
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: to me Joe pap By. John Rockwell has always been

535
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: a friend and the mentor to me. You know who. Jocolm.

536
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: John rock fell is right wrote for the for the

537
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: New York Times. He was the head head critic for

538
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: years there. He and I were and I were great friends.

539
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: So he took me to meet Joe pap and I said,

540
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: I want to sing in the theater with the curtain

541
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: because I was tired of singing and arena's and he

542
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: said he probably had it was an idiot. And a

543
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: month later so one of his actors came and wanted

544
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: to do Gilbert and Sullivan and he said, but I

545
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: want to use a pop singer, not a classical singer.

546
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: So he said, oh, I know no one lived around,

547
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: said she came in. She wants to work here. So

548
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: they called me up and asked me if I wanted

549
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: the job. But Jerry Brown answered the phone and he

550
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: remembered he remember the HMS Pentaforre because that's the Gilbert

551
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: and Sullivan show he's seeing. And I knew that the

552
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: whole show of a J. M. S. Pinafore because my

553
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: sister sung it in junior high school and I had

554
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: memorized the whole thing. I said, I I'd love to

555
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: do a Pinafore and they said, no, it's Pirates depens Dance.

556
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know that one, so I had to learn

557
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: it and ultimately let me put a song from part

558
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: from Pinafore in there. Anyway, I'm sorry my voice is

559
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: going out well. Ultimately you've got great reviews. But how

560
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: anxious were you about opening that show? I was wildly

561
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: keen to do it. It had a great cast, it

562
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: was a real ensemble addiction, and the music is great.

563
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I got to use my high voice, and when I

564
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: put in my high voice really well, it integrated it

565
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: into the rest of my voice and I could do

566
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: the standards. And after I sang with Nelson Riddle, I

567
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: felt like I knew how to sing. So let's go

568
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: back to some of these earlier records. You do Love

569
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: as a Rose by Neil Young before he records it,

570
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: so how to second gave it to me? He gave

571
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: it to you, saying what on a demo? He said,

572
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: this is perfect for you. No, he said, he's just

573
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: my new demo. He was on his way. He had

574
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: a place in Zooma Beach, which was a little bit

575
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: farther northern my place in Malibu. I used to drop

576
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: by on his way up there, and my day he

577
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: had a bunch of new demos. I said, let let

578
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: me listen to them. And Nicola Larson was living with

579
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: me then, and I said, this will be so perfect

580
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: for you, Nikki, and it was hit for her. So

581
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: we both recorded Neil Young songs now. Also, you did

582
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: Roll Them Easy by Lowell George. How did you meet

583
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: Lowell George? I'm in the mid Atlanta. He was playing

584
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: with it with little feet and I flipped over him.

585
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: I thought he was one of the best singers I've

586
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: ever heard, and did a great guitar player. So he

587
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: was playing that song and I said I wanted to

588
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: learn it, taking over and talk to me, but he

589
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: didn't need tuning, I think, or I didn't need to me.

590
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: I had a change his tuning for my key and

591
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: I learned it on the guitar in my living room. Okay,

592
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: and then, uh, you end up doing the Tattler, which

593
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: is originally on Paradise and Lunch, the Rye Couterer album.

594
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: How did you end up doing the Tattler? I can't remember.

595
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: We needed an extra song. It's hard to find twelve

596
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: songs in a year. Hard of found twelve songs in

597
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: ten years, And at this point in time him with

598
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: this level of success where people constantly pitching you songs,

599
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm not really I mean people. J D. South suggested

600
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: I recorded Blue Bay that Journe to be Fortunate. And

601
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: we were just hanging out of my house one night

602
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: and we were playing songs and Jackson played um for

603
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Pitiful Me that he was he was in the studio

604
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: working with whoever perpetual Me, Warren's even and it would

605
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: be like Jackson de pitches pitches friends song over his own.

606
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: He's really generous that way. It was a great admirer Warre.

607
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: And I moved into Warren's apartment when I was living

608
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: in Hollywood after he lived in it, and I knew

609
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: him slightly, but I loved his songs well as good

610
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: as his version of poor Poor Pitiful Me is on

611
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: his first album forst Asylum album, Your version is the

612
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: definitive version. How did you end up coming recording poor

613
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Pitiful Me? Jackson Brown's just suggested it. Read that place

614
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: Meliba I used to live, were playing songs and J D.

615
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: South there was there and suggested Blue Bay You and

616
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: Jackson was there and he said, you can you could

617
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: think more Pitiful Me? So I learned it. I taped

618
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: it with him singing it. I learned. I still have

619
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: the tape. And Uh, how did you because you know

620
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: and hastened down the wind. You do multiple Carla Bonoff

621
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: records songs. How did you meet and find those songs

622
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: from Carla Bonoff? Oh? Carlo was Kenny Edwards girlfriend. He

623
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: lived together and Kenny was in my band. So I

624
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: met Carla and you mentioned Jerry Brown earlier. How did

625
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: you end up meeting and getting involved with Jerry Brown?

626
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: I Madam and Lucy's lab cafe where everybody went to

627
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: eat Mexican food, and ultimately they had his picture in

628
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: the front window. What was appealing about Jerry? I'm not sure.

629
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: He's honest. He's a real he's honest with himself. He

630
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: has an amazing sense of humor that nobody knows about.

631
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: But and it was cute. And at the time, although

632
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: we was known as Governor Moonbeam, he was governor of California.

633
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: He ended up running for president. Uh. The Eagles and

634
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: other acts did fundraisers. You had a front row seat

635
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: for that. What was that like? I don't know. We

636
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: didn't go out in public munch, So what do you

637
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: think about the political situation today. I think it's I'm

638
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: terrified by it. It seems like there's fascist governments all

639
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Speaker 1: over the world that are taking over. I think it'll

640
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Speaker 1: lead the chaos and famine and war and all the

641
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Speaker 1: kinds of things that we can think of. And this

642
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Speaker 1: Elon Musk character is there's nothing but a chaos creator.

643
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Speaker 1: People think. People think that people can people can run

644
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Speaker 1: a business, which he was not a great businessman, nor

645
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Speaker 1: was Trump. But they get rich and they think they

646
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Speaker 1: know how to run the country and they don't, and

647
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: they have government sized budgets to accomplish what evil they

648
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Speaker 1: want to accomplish, Like like Ta Tongue decided the huge

649
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Speaker 1: plat part of China ship be planeted to wheat, and

650
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Speaker 1: it was the areas that we didn't grow very well

651
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Speaker 1: in and it caused a family that starts millions of people.

652
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Speaker 1: That's what happens if you get to just be a

653
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Speaker 1: dictator and say what what's going on? That's what Elon

654
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Speaker 1: Musk wants. So it sounds like you follow the news

655
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: pretty closely. Oh I do, so how do you how

656
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Speaker 1: do you get your information? Finally from the New Yorker,

657
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Speaker 1: the New York Times, But I also like um public

658
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Speaker 1: television is Judith Judith list your name would drift, Judy

659
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Speaker 1: would drift. And do you think there's any place well,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the evolution. I mean, musical acts were

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Speaker 1: raising money for politicians back in the seventies. Is there

662
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Speaker 1: any place for music to change the landscape politically today?

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Speaker 1: I don't have any idea what we'll go on in

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Speaker 1: the future of music. It could be anything. People in

665
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Speaker 1: my age always think music is in decline, and I

666
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Speaker 1: think that to a degree. I'm not very interested in

667
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Speaker 1: music that is happening today. There's a couple of good people,

668
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Speaker 1: there's some really good singers, but the talent doesn't leave

669
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: the gene pool just gets shaped in drastically different forms

670
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Speaker 1: by the culture. And I think our culture is failing.

671
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Speaker 1: What in what way is just the culture failing? What's

672
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Speaker 1: getting less? To my democratic truth doesn't matter? And in journalism,

673
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 1: mean where don't nobody cares whether he tells the truth?

674
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Speaker 1: And I just tell bald face line. People believe you.

675
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: They're stupid enough, And that's really concerning to me. And

676
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: hatred is getting fashionable, and uh, you know Trump got

677
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Speaker 1: elected in sixteen. Did you find out some of your

678
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: close friends were Trumpers or no, no, no friends of

679
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: mine voted for him. It wouldn't be friends if they did.

680
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Speaker 1: And you know we're lucky we live in California, we

681
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Speaker 1: have newsom Do you think that Biden should run for

682
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Speaker 1: another term? I don't know, let to ask him. I

683
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: think he did a really good job. He's gotten legislation

684
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Speaker 1: through that Republican roadblock that nobody else has been able

685
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Speaker 1: to do. Well. What I don't like is that the

686
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: his own team doesn't give him any credit. They're not

687
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: running on his success. They're just reacting to the Republican attacks.

688
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Makes me crazy. Well, he's going to go down in history,

689
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: is a real important president, I think. But you know

690
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: he's trying. It's the age is um. So do you

691
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Speaker 1: believe since he's doing a good job if he continues

692
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Speaker 1: to do this job, although if the Republicans take over

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Speaker 1: the House, which is what it looks like is going

694
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Speaker 1: to happen, um, do you think that he should serve

695
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: another term? I don't know. I mean, I don't understand

696
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Speaker 1: how the nuances of the presidency were. I'm sure it's

697
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people making deals. Do something makes more

698
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Speaker 1: moral to I think his moral person. I think he's

699
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: very smart. I think he's very experienced. But he's a

700
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: gazer like me, but he's smarter gazer than I am.

701
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: And do you do you know Newsom? Gavin Newsom? Oh,

702
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: he's very charming and very smart. I think he'd be

703
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: probably a good president, being aggressive, which I certainly like.

704
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: And how do you feel about Ron de santasist success?

705
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: I think he's a creep. Well, you know, there's a

706
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: lot of analysis that says, irrelevant of his political positions,

707
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: that he's a very cold guy and people can't warm

708
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Speaker 1: up to him. And you you're saying he's a creep.

709
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Speaker 1: Do you think people can overlook that and you think

710
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: it's going to ultimately hurt him? I don't know. I

711
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised anything. When Trump announced he was going

712
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: to run, I was sure he was going to win.

713
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Speaker 1: And I said, this is the Weimar Republican, It's Germany

714
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Speaker 1: in the thirties and hump Trump is Hitler and the

715
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Speaker 1: Jews of the new the Mexicans ader the new Jews.

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Speaker 1: What I mean that mark about Mexicans being rapists. It's

717
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: clear where he was going with that. People demonized groups

718
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: of people to cover up their own political inadequacies are

719
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: not new to this the history of this country. But

720
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Speaker 1: he's a he's a champion. And if I snapped my

721
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: fingers and you were control of immigration, what policy would

722
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Speaker 1: you want to enact? I wouldn't take it on with

723
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Speaker 1: a ten foot poll. It's so complicated. It's the third

724
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Speaker 1: rail of politics. I've got to is something that there's

725
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Speaker 1: a lot of suffering down there. I've been to the

726
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Speaker 1: border a lot. Well, you know the fact that they

727
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Speaker 1: don't have the the uh you know, we have a

728
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Speaker 1: brain drain with technology forget people immigrating. People you know

729
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: from India and other countries come to study here. They

730
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Speaker 1: used to stay working technology companies, but now they leave

731
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Speaker 1: because of the visa situation. It's insane. I got about

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Speaker 1: a quarter of that. I really am hard of hearing,

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Speaker 1: you know. Oh okay, um, well tell me when did

734
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Speaker 1: you tell me the status of your hearing? I think

735
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: I've lost about fifty hearing? So you did you lose it?

736
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: From major from loud music? Who knows? Could be anything,

737
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Speaker 1: could be genetics, it could be I'm sure I lost

738
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Speaker 1: some hearing. I lost some top and from standing in

739
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: front of rock and roll bands, but not to the

740
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Speaker 1: I don't know, not in your doctor. And when did

741
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Speaker 1: you notice and start wearing the hearing aids? About a

742
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: year ago? Two years ago, my hearing was a lot

743
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: better than hearing aids suck. I'm sure somebody can invent

744
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: a better hearing aid. So do you wear them all

745
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: the time? I wear the moree I'm gonna talk to

746
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: somebody like you. So you know you've gone through these

747
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: health issues over the last decade or so. What's the

748
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: status of your health today? Well? I have Parkinson's disease,

749
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: and well that's a progressive disease. So how are you doing? Well,

750
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Speaker 1: I'm progressing. So what's it like now? What's the like

751
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: is like having parkinson disease? Well, I mean, to what

752
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: degree is your function You know you said you can't sing,

753
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: But to what degree is your functionality impaired? I don't

754
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: go out a lot, but I've I've always been a homebody.

755
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't like groups of more than ten people. So

756
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: when you're at home, do you watch streaming television? Sometimes? Yeah?

757
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: Any of your favorite shows you can talk about? Um,

758
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: I like the Korean show which one it's called The

759
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: and the Impressive or the some super relative lawyer. Wou

760
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Speaker 1: extraordinary attorney, woo extraordinary Jerney Will Yeah, that's good. Any

761
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: other ones? Let's see what else if I liked? Mm hm,

762
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: can't remember? And are you a reader rather than the news? Oh? Yeah,

763
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm a book I'm a reader the book. The last

764
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: book I read was see what it is it called?

765
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: I read three books at once, so one was about

766
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: called Vagina Obscure, which I recommend everybody. One was a

767
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: history that of Fabric, which is really a good book.

768
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: It's called Fabric. The woman is a very good writer.

769
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: She's also written a book about jewels and another book

770
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Speaker 1: about color, The History of Color. It's fascinating. It's a

771
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: great way to learn history. And then I read I

772
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: read a book I think everybody should read. It's called

773
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Speaker 1: Salite Though, and it's about a kid that immigrated from

774
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Speaker 1: El Salvador to Los Angeles. Is a nine year old

775
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: all by himself to find his parents, and it's written

776
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Speaker 1: from the point of view of a of a nine

777
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: year old child, completely all the way through the book.

778
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: It's completely fascinating. Guy's a brilliant writer. And how did

779
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: you find these books? And reviews? John Rockoll I read

780
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: a review of it in The New York Times, and

781
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: then John Rockoll sent me email saying I had to

782
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: read it. I went and about it and I read

783
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: the whole thing through to at a sitting. It was

784
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: really good. Recommend that to everybody. The Vagina Book. I

785
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: recommend to everybody too, men and women. It's really well written,

786
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: and there's there says so many obscure details that you

787
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: never knew. I could have been all these studies on

788
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: penises but not on vaginas. Wow, what do you think

789
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: about the state of sexuality in America today? Well, if

790
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: everything goes, I think there anything goes. I think that's

791
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: probably natural. Well, you know, we live in a relatively

792
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: puritanical society compared to Europe sexually. Oh yeah, it's ridiculous.

793
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: And grow What was it like growing up for you?

794
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: He is a Catholic girl. Well, it's about normal. I mean,

795
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: did you were you reluctant to have intercourse? Did you

796
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: think you know you're going to go to hell? That's

797
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: not a question I'm gonna talk about on the radio.

798
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was gonna go to hell. I

799
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: was an atheists from third grade. And uh, what about birth?

800
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Speaker 1: Control and abortion. I had them both. How many abortions

801
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: have you had? Isn't none of your business? Uh? You know,

802
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: um people say it's very difficult to uh have an

803
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Speaker 1: abortion emotionally after the fact, was that of your experience

804
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: feeling of relief? Great relief? And do you ever did

805
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Speaker 1: you ever subsequent to the abortion think, well, might have

806
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: made a mistake, I should have the kid or never? Never?

807
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: It was the right thing to do. And so you

808
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: came of age. Was the pill around at that point? Yes?

809
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: It was okay? Thank God? So what do you think

810
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: about you know, there's a fight over trans and other identities.

811
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Speaker 1: Are you fall down on the side whatever you want

812
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: to do or what do you think about the other

813
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: side's opinion? Oh, let let them be, Let them do

814
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Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. I know that if you're

815
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Speaker 1: born with a different gender assignment, there's nothing you do

816
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: about it. I have to learn how to work with it.

817
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: I should be left alone. You know you've had children.

818
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Speaker 1: What about all this, you know with critical race theory

819
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Speaker 1: and what is taught in the school. Do you think

820
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: that just all bs or do you think God, we

821
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: have to protect children to some degree. I think they

822
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: should take critical race theory. I think everybody from the

823
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: first grade you'd learned what the history of black people

824
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: were in this in this country and and get a servant, uncut, undiluded.

825
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: Howard's Inn has a really good history for for children

826
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Speaker 1: that um tells the truth but makes it, doesn't sugarcoat it,

827
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Speaker 1: but puts it in a rational context that is not damaging,

828
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Speaker 1: but it is enlightening. I'm a great fan of Howard's

829
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Speaker 1: In going back to l A, sounds like you knew

830
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: everybody from Jackson Brown to Lowell George. Uh is that true?

831
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Speaker 1: Or though you just hung with the people, you hung with? Well?

832
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Speaker 1: I met Jackson when he was seventeen and I was sixteen,

833
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: and no one had ever heard of either one of us.

834
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Speaker 1: And I just thought it was a good songwriter, as

835
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Speaker 1: saman was j D. I met him at the Troupador

836
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Speaker 1: and we went to my house and he played songs.

837
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Speaker 1: I thought he was a good songwriter. And when you

838
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: use the Eagles, what became the Eagles as your background band?

839
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: Did you realize they were going to go on to

840
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: all that success themselves? Oh? I was sure they would

841
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: be sure they would make kids okay, And what are

842
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: your kids up to today. My one daughter is a

843
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: visual artist and my other son is a tech guy.

844
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: And what does he do in tech? He's you know,

845
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: when you have a corporation and then they have all

846
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Speaker 1: their tech stuff. He runs it. He's in charge. He's

847
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: the person you go to your laptop doesn't work or whatever.

848
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Speaker 1: Very smart. Do you ever listen to your own records

849
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Speaker 1: if I need to check something like I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to make my hearing aid work my

851
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: headphones as I listened to through several of itent I

852
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: listened to Paul Simon's record Graceland, and listen to some

853
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: records that I've produced mine to see what I can.

854
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Speaker 1: Because I know what those records sounded like when they

855
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Speaker 1: were made. I can tell what's missing, and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot missing. So other than when you're you know, adjusting

857
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Speaker 1: your hearing aids. Uh, do you listen to music much

858
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Speaker 1: in the home? Not much? And if you had to

859
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Speaker 1: look back at your career, what two albums are you

860
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Speaker 1: most proud of? I think the second Mexican record of

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Speaker 1: Mosconciones and the last record I made that it was

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Speaker 1: called that was in the last record I made, it's

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Speaker 1: called Winter light. And you know, you encountered a lot

864
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Speaker 1: in your career people saying no, and you ended up.

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Speaker 1: You know, how to tell me how those battles went

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Speaker 1: down with the record company, Well, they thought it was

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Speaker 1: a mistake career was to do them. And I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing them in any way. And because I couldn't

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Speaker 1: hear them, I could just hear the music. And to

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Speaker 1: their credit, people like Joe Smith are really old fashioned

871
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Speaker 1: record man and they knew how to sell records and

872
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Speaker 1: they stepped up and promoted it. And the same way

873
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Speaker 1: with Peter Asher. He couldn't have cared less about Mexic music.

874
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Speaker 1: You never heard it. I said, I just have to

875
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Speaker 1: do this, and he put his head to the to

876
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: the he put his shoulder in the wheel and did it.

877
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Speaker 1: He did a really good job. He didn't try to

878
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Speaker 1: get in my way. And you talk about Peter Asher,

879
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Speaker 1: you've worked with multiple producers. What's the key to a

880
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Speaker 1: good producer? I think they work in so many different ways.

881
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes the producer controls the material and the way it's approached.

882
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes the artist does, and sometimes the backing band does.

883
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of subtle nuance of trade offs.

884
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: I think the producer is someone who listens and makes

885
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Speaker 1: carefully considered suggestions. Now the rage today is people selling

886
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Speaker 1: their publishing. Uh, you only wrote a handful of songs,

887
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Speaker 1: you know, right, A lot of the money is in publishing.

888
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: So how you know? Were the record companies honest with

889
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: you and paying you royalties back in the day, I

890
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Speaker 1: don't know. Let me put it differently, how are you

891
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Speaker 1: doing financially? Well, that's a pretty fucking personal question. But

892
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Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. I sold my catalog. You you sold

893
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Speaker 1: the catalog. I was doing fine before that. I had

894
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Speaker 1: a good business manager and I didn't spend a lot

895
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Speaker 1: of money. So you sold your royalties and all your records. Yeah,

896
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Speaker 1: how long would you do that? Oh? I don't know.

897
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Speaker 1: A year ago. Maybe it's based on twenty years of earnings.

898
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Speaker 1: He'll he'll recoup his investment in twenty years. I won't

899
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Speaker 1: be here in twenty years, so I don't care. It's

900
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Speaker 1: gonna have money. Now. Did you buy or do anything

901
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Speaker 1: uh that you now that you have this money? Or

902
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: did you just bank it? Well? I was going to

903
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Speaker 1: buy a house, but I saw what the prices are

904
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Speaker 1: up here, and I nearly fainted. I'm still on the floor, okay,

905
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Speaker 1: And what do you want people to get out of

906
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Speaker 1: this book? Feels like home. There's just another side to Mexico,

907
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: to that part of Mexico, and that party has been

908
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: a cohesive, singular piece of real estate since before um

909
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: Arizona was before Mexico is Arizona, and that they should

910
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Speaker 1: recognize what what similarities there between themselves and the people's

911
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Speaker 1: houves of the border. And you had brothers and sisters,

912
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Speaker 1: unfortunately two were no longer with us. Was their pressure

913
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Speaker 1: when you have this huge success to take care of

914
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Speaker 1: the rest of your family financially? Well, it changed it.

915
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Speaker 1: I didn't care my family financially. They were all gamefully employed. Well,

916
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Speaker 1: I mean it's tough that you were so successful. Did

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Speaker 1: your siblings revel in your success? Were they jealous? Well,

918
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Speaker 1: they didn't want to be professional singers that went on

919
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Speaker 1: the road. My brother was the chief of police of Tucson,

920
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Speaker 1: like his job just fine. My sister strad five kids.

921
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a housewife. And did you help

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Speaker 1: support them? Not really, okay, because a lot of people

923
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Speaker 1: become successful and their family starts asking them for money.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't your experience? Well, not particularly if I want

925
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Speaker 1: to go for good Mexican food in l A. Where

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Speaker 1: should I go? I don't know. I haven't lived in

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Speaker 1: l A for twenty years. Well, you know, can you

928
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Speaker 1: mention any Mexican restaurants or do we really have to

929
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Speaker 1: go to Tucson to get the kind of food that

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Speaker 1: you like if you want good Mexican food. Way of January,

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Speaker 1: Lucy's Ill Adobe is reopening with the original owner and

932
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Speaker 1: the original recipes. It's going to be a great place

933
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Speaker 1: to eat. It's like it wasn't the seventies. What did

934
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Speaker 1: you use to order at Lucy's Green enchiladas? Really? And

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Speaker 1: are you a meat eater or not? I meet if

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Speaker 1: I have to? Okay, Linda, I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to talk to me

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Speaker 1: in my audience. Once again. Linda Ronstad has a new book,

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Speaker 1: Feels Like Home, a Song for the Sonoran Borderlands, and

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Speaker 1: so thanks again, Linda, thank you so much. Hi until

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Speaker 1: next time. This is Bob left Steps