1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie Reese. 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: And I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we're talking about automats, 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: and really specifically about this one American automat company, Horn 4 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: and Hardart. 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, was there any particular reason this was 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: on your mind? Lord? 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Oh no, you keep asking me that question. 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: The hot seed. 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: Every time I was looking for some kind of technology 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: related topic, and I've had on our kind of on 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: my like shortlist for to do, like a vending machine update, 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: and then I was looking at the vending machine outline, 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: and then I was like, automats, What the heck is 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: up with those? So, yeah, here we are. 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: I was going to ask if. 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: You'd heard of them before, I guess, oh yeah, absolutely 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: definitely like a cultural standpoint in my like minor obsession 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: with mid century modern design and fashion. 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: Automats feature in there somewhere. 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: I guess. 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: Speaking of there's like a really good automat scene in 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: the film Dark City, really beautiful film. I fall asleep 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: every time watching it. It's like one of my favorite 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: movies up there with like Brazil, that I always fall 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: asleep during. 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: Interesting. 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know something about the pacing is just soothing. 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: Oh man. This reminds me of the time I was 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: sharing a room with a friend and she was like, 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: do you mind if I watch Midsommar? It helps me sleep? 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: And I was like, I absolutely not, we cannot do that. 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't say no often, but in this case, 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: oh wow. 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: See, I felt like those two choices were like some 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 2: of the least soothing films that you could passably choose 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: to try to fall asleep too. But I think Midsomar 37 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: has them beat. 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, she said it so like innocently, as if 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: I won't have any questions about it, right, yeah, all right. 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean I get comfort out of horror movies too, 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: but I usually don't sure all asleep. 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: I guess I've fallen asleep to like horror type media 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: for a very long time, Like my current one is 44 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: just reruns of Supernatural, So yeah, if. 45 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: I've seen it enough, I could do it. But anyway, anyway, 46 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: I haven't heard of automats before. But interestingly, when we 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: were doing this research, when people were describing these Asian h's, 48 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: it was such a clear description and it painted such 49 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: a vivid picture. I was like, oh, my gosh, I've 50 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: seen this in Marvelous Missus masl. 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 2: Because okay, there you go. 52 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: I and it was in the final episode they go 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: to one of these restaurants. And when I was watching it, 54 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this because this isn't the 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: type of show that's gonna like have a fictional restaurant 56 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: urge something. But it felt so out of time and 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: place to me. It was so like clean and bright. 58 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: I was very like, I don't know what this is. 59 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: But right when I was reading this, I was like, oh, 60 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: my gosh, that's what it was, and I loocked it up. Yep. 61 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: I never got to the end of Miss Maisel, but yep, no, 62 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: that's that's what it is. This like very retro futuristic 63 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: sort of sort of thing that. 64 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so many windows, oh my goodness. 65 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: I will also say I think there are similar things 67 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: happening in other countries, but those are gonna have to 68 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: be other episodes because I got overwhelmed. It's too much. 69 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really fair. I sort of got overwhelmed 70 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: just talking about this one chain. 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: So yes, so future futures problem, yeah, yeah, or something 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: to look forward to. 73 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: Oh, there you go. That's a much nicer way of 74 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 2: putting it. Absolutely Okay, Well, all of that being said, 75 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: you can see our prior episode on vending machines. We 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: do mention automats like a couple times in there and 77 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about like vending machine technology and 78 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: the history thereof. So all that is related. 79 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is, which I guess brings us to 80 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: our question. Yeah, automats, what are they? 81 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: Well, an automat is a restaurant made of vending machines. 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: It's a mostly extinct type of quick service restaurant or 83 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: cafeteria where instead of interacting with a cashier or a 84 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: server to or and receive your meal, you instead have 85 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 2: access to all of the items on the menu via 86 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: these walls of self service vending cubbies, where each item 87 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: is kept to the appropriate temperature behind a little glass 88 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: door and stalked from behind the wall. So you browse 89 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: the cubbies, select what you want, and pay for each 90 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: item individually via like a coin slot or other device, 91 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: which then lets you open the door and take the item, 92 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: and then you can then usually like on a tray 93 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: or something, take your items to a table to eat. 94 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: If you want anything else, you get up and get it. 95 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: The fair is typically meant to be fairly affordable and quick, 96 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: the sort of thing you could snag on a lunch break, 97 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: like sandwiches, salads, soups, a slice of cake or pie, 98 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: something like that. They have a sterile sort of futurism 99 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: to them that feels a tiny bit dystopian in its orderliness, 100 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: like in gaming terms, if a buffet is a chaotic 101 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: choose your own lunch, and automat is like a lawful 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: choose your own lunch. It really takes the visible service 103 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: out of the service industry. I mean it sounds great 104 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: for days when you like do not have the capacity 105 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: to speak to another human person. And I have days 106 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: like that, so I get that. But yeah, it's sort 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: of like it's sort of like an arcade game, but 108 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: you just perceive food and then you eat it. 109 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: Yes, And Lauren and I were discussing before this. I 110 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: would have loved it as a kid. I would have 111 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: loved it. 112 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there's something very right fun game gamified 113 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: about getting to put the little the little money in 114 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: the little slots and getting to operate a little door 115 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah. 116 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: And you can see everything in like the whole all 117 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: the walls inside. 118 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they're always lit from like inside or behind, 119 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: and so it's all very very shiny. Yeah, all right. 120 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: These mostly existed in the United States in like the 121 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: nineteen teens the nineteen fifties, and mostly put out by 122 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: this one company, Horn and Hardert and their establishments all 123 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: had this very characteristically like clinical deco to modern combo vibe, 124 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: with lots of rounded edges, lots of chrome. They were 125 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: situated in urban areas with a lot of pedestrian traffic. 126 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: Some were open twenty four hours a day to accommodate 127 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: all shifts in classes of workers. I understand. Their wall 128 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: cases were sometimes all chilled, in which case warm items 129 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: were available from buffet tables. Other restaurants had different like 130 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: banks for hot and cold items. The dining areas that 131 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: the vending walls lined often had a mix of like 132 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: four top dine at tables and then bar height tables 133 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: without stools for just standing and eating almost on the go. 134 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: And perhaps obviously despite not having a lot of staff interaction, 135 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: there was a lot of staff involved. Like the dining 136 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: areas were cleaned and food and drinks were rotated out 137 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: on tightly controlled schedules. Every time someone took a dish 138 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: from a cubby, it was supposed to be replaced. I heard. 139 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: I heard that if a cubby labeled with the dish 140 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: that you wanted was empty, you might like knock on 141 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: the glass and kind of peer through what was essentially 142 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: a window and sort of like catch the attention of 143 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: someone in the back and be like, yo, sandwich, can 144 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: I get this one? And they might, and they might 145 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: put one out for you. There were cashiers, like usually ladies, 146 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: that'd exchange larger currency for the nickels that were required 147 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: to feed the machines back in the day. And the 148 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: types of food served were like typical American cafeteria food 149 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: of the era, cold sandwiches, vegetable side dishes like creamed spinach, 150 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: maybe fresh salads, things like mac and cheese, salisburry steak, 151 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: coffee cake, berry crumbles, you know, things that could be 152 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: ad or simmered and would sort of hold up to 153 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: being transported and like put on a plate and sat 154 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: in a little window for a period of time. 155 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: Yes, with quite bright light on it. Often mm hmm. 156 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: Well what about the nutrition? 157 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 2: Don't donate restaurant formats? 158 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: M Again, I feel like there's some kind of consumerism 159 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: metaphor there, But we shall move on. We do have one. 160 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: Number for you, all right. So we do have a 161 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: bunch of numbers in our history section, but I wanted 162 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: to put something here, so I read a lot of 163 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: different numbers for how big H and H was in 164 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: their heyday. Like, it doesn't help that a lot of 165 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: the sources that I read did not list a date 166 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: for what they meant by heyday. I understand it to 167 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: be somewhere between the nineteen forties and the nineteen fifties, 168 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: so sometime during that period they were serving anywhere from 169 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty thousand to eight hundred thousand people 170 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: a day from up to about one hundred and eighty 171 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: restaurant locations. 172 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. 173 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this was mostly only in two cities, but 174 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: it was a phenomenon. 175 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: It really really was, and the history of how it 176 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: got to be such a phenomenon as fascinating it is. 177 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: And we will get into that history as soon as 178 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: we get back from a quick break forward from our sponsors. 179 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: We're back, Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you. So in 180 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: most sources, people list the first automatic restaurant as being 181 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: opened in Berlin in eighteen ninety five. Apparently in the zoo. 182 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: I think it was called Kisisana, which is Italian. I 183 00:10:58,600 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: had to look it up because I was like, that 184 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: doesn't sound German speaking. No, no, it isn't a few 185 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: other similar restaurants popped up across Europe in the following 186 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: years because this concept kind of caught on. It was 187 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: a futuristic thing that people were excited about. But yes, 188 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: here in the US, the automat burned brightly and pretty quickly, 189 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: and kind of specifically in terms of regionality. It started 190 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: with a man from Philadelphia named Joe Horn, and he 191 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: published an ad looking for a business partner. Love it. 192 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: He got a response from a man from New Orleans 193 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: with German ancestry named Frank Hardart. They decided to open 194 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: up a luncheonette together. In eighteen eighty eight, the first 195 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: Horn and Hardart a restaurant opened in Philadelphia, a small, 196 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: fifteen stool luncheon The founders, in part wanted to introduce 197 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: Philadelphia to New Orleans style coffee. It was pretty popular, 198 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: especially in a time when quick lunch stops like this 199 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: were convenient for the working class. But okay, the automation 200 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: part was introduced in nineteen oh two after a sales 201 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: representative from Kisisana approached Horn and Hardart about using their machinery, 202 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: and the pair are just Hardart visited the location while 203 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: in Germany, or possibly they purchased these vending machines from 204 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: a salesman in the US. It kind of feels like 205 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: a lot of different versions of the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 206 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: but whatever the case, they got their hands on this 207 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: tech and they thought that Americans would be into it. 208 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: Very basically, yes, individual food items were placed behind windows 209 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: that people could look into and make their decision to 210 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: purchase an item. Customers would drop a nickel into a 211 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: slot a very vending machine like nickel throwers. Women in 212 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: glass booths handed out change for the slots, and the 213 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: concept really resonated, especially after Prohibition closed saloons and then 214 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: during the Great Depression when pie and coffee may only 215 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: cost a few nickels. For many it was fancy elegant 216 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: despite the price points. The coffee came out of a 217 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: dolphin shaped fountain. 218 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. They really worked on making those dining rooms and 219 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: those like interactive vending pieces really beautiful and very modern looking. 220 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: For a definition of modern at the time. 221 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and like I said, it struck me when 222 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: I saw that episode of Marvelous Missus MASL so look 223 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: it up if you haven't seen it. Also, just a 224 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: note and this could be kind of my horror movie brain. Oh, 225 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: but getting this machinery to the US was a bit 226 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: of a hassle. From what I read, the first shipment sank. 227 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: The second time around, it was damaged in an explosion. 228 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: Oh whoa, yes, something, so it was not meant to 229 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: be perhaps perhaps. 230 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: Or perhaps I've seen too many horror movies. Also possible 231 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: that one, I think, Yeah, that one. Probably. In nineteen twelve, 232 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: H and H spread to New York. 233 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and at first they had kitchens on site, like 234 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: tucked out of site in the back or in a basement, 235 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: but as they grew to more locations, they wanted a 236 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: way to maintain quality across restaurants. 237 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the recipes were standardized and relied on essential 238 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: Commissary system to supply their locations, leading many sources that 239 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: I read to call these automats America's first major fast 240 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: food chain. 241 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: Apparently, Horn and Hardart and like other board members, would 242 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: visit the central kitchens daily to quality control and test 243 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: new menu items. 244 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: And they offered a huge range of menu items four 245 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: hundred at one point, from what I read, from lobster 246 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: and cocktails to pie and coffee, all kinds of things. 247 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, their slogan was less work for Mother. 248 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: That also sounds kind of dystopian, very creepy. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 249 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: there were a lot of reasons people liked H and H, 250 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: especially during a time when a people were concerned about 251 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: the cleanliness of their food, and they liked seeing it 252 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: before they bought it. B people were really into this 253 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: new technology and the food industry, and see it was 254 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: just really aesthetically pleasing. The restaurant was. 255 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: Little bit novel, a little bit aesthetic shure. 256 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tipping was discouraged, and because of how the whole 257 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: thing worked, it was easy to hide how much you spent. 258 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, meaning in a culture obsessed with appearing well off, 259 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: even during these hard times, you could eat more cheaply. 260 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Right, you didn't, as you said, Lauren, you didn't necessarily 261 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: have to interact with the German. And there were a 262 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: lot of reasons people didn't like waiters in the US 263 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: at this time. 264 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you can see our episode on tipping about 265 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: that fair warning. I think it's the angriest I've ever 266 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: heard Annie be ever in years of knowing her. But 267 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: very basically, like, this was a really complicated and racially 268 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: charged issue that essentially stems from the fact that after 269 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: the end of slavery in the US, business owners did 270 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: not want to pay for servant work, so we created 271 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: this like systemically classist legal loophole where business owners could 272 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: underpay employees and customers were expected to make up a 273 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: living wage and tips, which customers then became annoyed by 274 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: and sort of took it out on the white staff. 275 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. 276 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: It continues to this day. 277 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: It does still makes me angry. Yeah anyway, anyway, H 278 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: and H was also a place where people of all 279 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: backgrounds could and would go, from celebrities to blue collar workers. 280 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: It was also one of the places unescorted women at 281 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: the time could go. 282 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, kids too. Kids could go like after school and 283 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 2: grab something to eat and do their homework. 284 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: The most popular item was the coffee, and the owners 285 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: would occasionally do spot checks to taste it for temperature 286 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: and taste. These restaurants sold about ninety million cups a 287 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: year at the height of their popularity in the nineteen 288 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: fifties ISH. One of the reasons was because they introduced 289 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: fresh drip coffee to Philadelphia and New York, and the 290 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: employees would set timers for twenty minutes and throw out 291 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: old coffee. These restaurants even kind of became a tourist attraction, 292 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: which makes sense if they're only in these certain areas. 293 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. 294 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: Not everyone loved them, though some complained about how young 295 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: folks were in too much of a hurry and the 296 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: food was cheap in quality. On top of that, there 297 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: was a backlash from labor unions in nineteen twenty nine. 298 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: The bus boys and cooks made well below minimum wage 299 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: at the time. Time, the hours were long and overtime 300 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: and paid vacations were non existent. Their New York City 301 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: locations were picketed in nineteen thirty seven, and then in 302 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two a strike caused the company to raise 303 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: the cost of their coffee to cover the cost of 304 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: increasing the salaries of their employees. And then eventually these 305 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: restaurants just kind of fell out of fashion as Americans 306 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: taste changed. Lunch wasn't as important a meal as it 307 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: used to be. A lot of people moved out to 308 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: the suburbs. There were other options similar to it, like 309 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: McDonald's readily available. 310 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah and suburban living and chain's. Like McDonald's, emphasized car culture, 311 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: which was simultaneously co developing. Like a lot of the 312 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: new popular affordable restaurants were places with drive up or 313 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: drive through features where you didn't have to get out 314 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: of your car, sort of the exact opposite of what 315 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: an automat has going on, right, And. 316 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: The type of food was no longer as popular as 317 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: it once was. Price hurt them to a nickel just 318 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't cut it anymore. 319 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean H and H tried. In the 320 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, they opened a few suburban retail stores where 321 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: you could buy these prepackaged foods. In nineteen sixty one, 322 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: they got liquor licenses for a couple of their urban 323 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: locations to attract the like Martini lunch customers. See our 324 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: Bartini episode about that. But yeah, nothing really worked. By 325 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, they wound up donating their original locations 326 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: machinery to the National Museum of American History. 327 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: Wow wow Yeah. In the nineteen seventies, H and H 328 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: replaced their remaining restaurants with Burger Kings. 329 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: Or other fast food brands like Arby's. 330 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: The final Automatic closed in New York City in nineteen 331 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: ninety one. This is so fascinating to me though. I 332 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: love seeing that, like when companies try to adapt and evolve, 333 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: how they kind of stray from what they were we are, 334 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: and then when they kind of come back in different forms. So, 335 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, the idea was revived in San Francisco 336 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: with a place called Iza I think It's meant to 337 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: be I think so, yeah, where people could place an 338 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: order for custom chema bowls via an iPad and pick 339 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: it up from a glass compartment filled wall. However, it 340 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: closed in twenty nineteen. 341 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a couple different, like attempted revivals in 342 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: the United States, but none of them ever really worked out. 343 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, a documentary premiered about the H 344 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: and H Automats, directed by one Lisa Hurwitz and called 345 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 2: appropriately The Automat. Mel Brooks wrote a song for it. 346 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: She interviewed all of these people like like Ruth Bader 347 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: Ginsberg and Colin Powell and mel Brooks and yeah, it 348 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: sounds really delightful. I've not watched it, but I think 349 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: it's available on Max right now though, oh that's in 350 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 2: my future. And yeah, certainly there are traces of the 351 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: Horn and Hardart automat and other dining concepts today like 352 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: conveyor belt restaurants and places where you order from touch 353 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: screens and maybe pick up from like a line or yeah, 354 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 2: from some kind of wall like that at Itza. There 355 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: are some more classically automat style places operating in Germany 356 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: and Japan, possibly Sweden. I'm not totally positive because I yeah, 357 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: I was like, I need to limit myself to this 358 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Those other rabbit holes are for other days. 359 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, topics topics for the future. 360 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: Yes, and listeners, please, if you are from another country 361 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: and you have some insights, some experiences, please let us know. 362 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah, let's see seed our future knowledge. And 363 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: if you have any personal experience with any of these places, 364 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: or if you have like a family story from somebody 365 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: who does, we would love to hear it. 366 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: Yes, we absolutely would. But I think that's what we 367 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: have to say about automats and H and H specifically 368 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: for now. 369 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: It is. We do already have some listener mail for you, though, 370 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: and we are going to get into that as soon 371 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: as we get back from one more quick break for 372 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: a word from our sponsors. 373 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. We're 374 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: back with storm. The ding is going to be really 375 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: effective for that one. I can tell you that right now, Lauren. 376 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes. 377 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: I also want to say I'm in a different setup 378 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: than I normally am, and I can't. I can't rely 379 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: on my visuals like A usually Can'tah, So I'm sorry 380 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: if I'm a little off my listener mail game. 381 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: No, I think you're doing great personally. 382 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for me. Mikayla wrote, I just listened to 383 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: your episode on Prickly Pears and I had so many thoughts. 384 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: My grandma passed away a year and a half ago. 385 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: She only spoke Spanish and I didn't. But even with that, 386 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: one of my strongest memories I have of her is 387 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: working side by side in her kitchen to remove the 388 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 1: spines from the paddles that she cut from the plant 389 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: in her backyard. She then cooked them with beans and 390 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: they were delicious. I have since been Team nopals. People 391 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: have opinions, and when I recall that memory, it reminds 392 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: me of a time when a friend shared with me 393 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: how a neighbor told him that the tunas were edible, 394 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: So the next time he was at a park with 395 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: his daughter, he saw one and thought they should try it. 396 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: His neighbor had not told him about the spines. Also, 397 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: please enjoy this picture of my parents' front yard. For 398 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: my mom's fiftieth birthday, her center pieces were individual Nopell paddles. 399 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: After the party, she planted one in the front yard. 400 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: This is it fifteen plus years later. Yes, it is 401 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: now taller than their one story house. My siblings and 402 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: I call it the cactus tree. The gray trunk at 403 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: the bottom is the original paddle that she planted. You 404 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: can see tunas and varying states of ripeness all over 405 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: the plants. My mom freezes the tunas and uses them 406 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: for smoothies. That's amazing. That is amazing. The picture is 407 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: so cute too. It's like decorated with Christmas lights. I 408 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: love it. Fifteen years wow right amazing? Ah yeah, I oh. 409 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: I am, I am. I am envious of people who 410 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: have a good head start on their gardens. I am 411 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: working on it. It's going to it shall be mine. Yes, 412 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: After many years of potted gardens. I'm going to move 413 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: on up slowly. 414 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: That's all right, Lauren. I'm slow and steady wins the race. 415 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: So the tomato race. Yeah, however, you can get fresh 416 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: tomatoes is a good way to do it. That's what 417 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: I say, right right. 418 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: Oh no, all of this is delightful. Thank you so 419 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: much for sharing. Oh my goodness. Yes, Christine wrote, I 420 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: was intellectually curious about the non dairy creamer episode because 421 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: coffee creamer is something I'm curious about. I read about 422 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: it a lot in fiction, but it's not very common 423 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: in Australia. I should note here I worked in it 424 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 2: for over twenty five years. Raging caffeine addictions are an 425 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: occupational hazard and if you meet an it person that 426 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: doesn't drink coffee run I'm also Australian, which means I 427 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: come from a country of serious coffee connoisseurs. We believe 428 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: our coffee is the best in the world, and there's 429 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people, even Americans and Italians who agree. 430 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 2: We do not use creamer for people who don't drink espresso, 431 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: short black or long black. The only appropriate addition is 432 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: milk plant milks. If you must a flavored syrup if 433 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 2: you're really sad. But that's as far as it goes. 434 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: Every so often on social media, someone who's recently arrived 435 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 2: in Australia will ask where they can find creamer or 436 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: why it isn't in supermarkets see Coors Red below. The 437 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: answer is some variation on our coffee is not use 438 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: milk because you're in Australia now, and if shelf stability 439 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: is a concern, there is euht milk available in various sizes. 440 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: I vaguely remember ads from my childhood for various brands 441 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: of milk powder, and even one for coffee mate. This 442 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: was Carnation Coffee Mate, so it is probably from before 443 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five when Nestley acquired Carnation. Come to think 444 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: of it, the milk powder ads were Nestley and always 445 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: implied powdered milk was fine for coffee or even worse 446 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: in tea. I haven't seen any major marketing campaigns for 447 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 2: powdered milk in years, though, which suggests that even the 448 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 2: evil capitalist lizard people who run the previously mentioned international 449 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: food company have realized Australians will never switch to their 450 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 2: inferior coffee additives. 451 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: Oo wow, I love this strong opinions, very strong. We've 452 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: heard from a lot of people about non dairy Kreamer's, 453 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: but I would love if someone else from Australia I 454 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: want to see. Yeah, I think I was just drinking 455 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: cheap free coffee when I was in Australia, and I 456 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: know I can fill the rage coming at me, but 457 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: I don't remember. 458 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: You were also a student. 459 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is coffee free at this hotel, 460 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: perfect that drink. 461 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, now this is this is wonderful and fascinating 462 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: and yeah, I don't disagree with your assessment of that 463 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: company that you mentioned. You can see the stuff they 464 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: don't want you to know. Episode on Bottled Water. If 465 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: you'd like to learn more about how I feel, m 466 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: hm uh huh. 467 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely check that out. 468 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, this is and this is also like 469 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: kind of kind of exactly how I feel about about coffee. 470 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 2: I'm like, if it's good coffee, you don't need to 471 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: adulterate it with other stuff. I want my good coffee 472 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: to taste like good coffee. I don't want it to 473 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 2: taste like other stuff. If it's kind of not good coffee, then. 474 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know whatever, sure, yeah, yeah, I bet that's 475 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: generally the consensus, although I do have friends that I'm 476 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: convinced they don't like coffee, Oh absolutely, but they like 477 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: adding all the stuff in. 478 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: Totally yeah, which is also fine. 479 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. You do what you want to do. We 480 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: can't tell you. 481 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: I mean, probably don't spend that much money on coffee 482 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: if you don't like the taste of it. But you 483 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: know you can get the cheap stuff, right, you know. 484 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. And you are correct. Raging caffeine 485 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: addictions do run pretty rampant in it, that. 486 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: Is I have. 487 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: If you couldn't guess it about me and and Annie too, 488 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: I assume like I've got a lot of friends in it. 489 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: So yep, yeap. But it's no watch out, they no conversation. 490 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: I would say that the production team here at iHeart 491 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: is vaguely similar in that regard. There are a few 492 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: humans who certainly have had like multiple monsters a day habits. 493 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: Yes, that is true. That is true. And I got 494 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: drawn into that for a little bit and I had 495 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: to get off that. I had to jump off too much. 496 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: You're already an anxious person, Annie, you don't need. 497 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: This is why am I still awake at their I 498 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: am working. Oh my god, not good. 499 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: No well, drink responsibly, Drink responsibly, no matter what it be. 500 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: Thanks to both of these listeners for writing to us. 501 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: If you would like to write to us, you can 502 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: Our email is hello at saverrepod dot com. 503 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: We're also on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook, 504 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: and Instagram at saver pod and we do hope to 505 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: hear from you. Save is production of iHeartRadio. 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