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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman, and it is a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: be with you once again. And this actually, let's see here,

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Speaker 1: this is actually the four month anniversary, no three month

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Speaker 1: anniversary of one of my favorite shows that we've done

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Speaker 1: under the Hammer Territory banner, the three man episode that

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Speaker 1: we did back at the end of July talking about

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Speaker 1: the MOLB trade deadline. That was the last time I

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Speaker 1: had the pleasure of sharing a mic and now a

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Speaker 1: screen with Steven Tobert and and Scott Coleman.

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Speaker 2: Shan Coleman.

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Speaker 1: Scott Coleman got that straight. For Scott's sake, there is

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Speaker 1: no relation. I'm sure now, I'm sure he's grateful every day.

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Speaker 1: But hey, pleasure to be with y'all once again. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in with us here at Hammer Territory,

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Speaker 1: part of the Foul Territory family of podcast. Scott Stephen,

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Speaker 1: how are y'all this evening?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Sean, I'm doing great, buddy. It is nice to

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Speaker 3: do one of these with you all. And tonight, clearly

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Speaker 3: we are going to be talking about what all of

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Speaker 3: America has been talking about this week. Some Atlanta Braves,

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Speaker 3: trade targets and nothing else, and we have plenty of

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Speaker 3: stuff to talk about. Off season is in full swing

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Speaker 3: and always a pleasure when we can do one of

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Speaker 3: these Three Men shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's up, Sean. Obviously good to be with you again. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: these Three Men shows are a lot of fun to do.

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Speaker 4: We've done a few different versions of them now, Scott

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Speaker 4: and I have done one with Brad, We've done one

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Speaker 4: with you before. So but yeah, this is always a

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Speaker 4: fun topic. Trade targets are always one of the biggest topics.

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Speaker 4: You know, all of us are on Twitter, you know,

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Speaker 4: these are what this kind of what people love to

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Speaker 4: talk about is potential targets and guys who would make

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Speaker 4: sense for the Braves and so and we're the same way.

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Speaker 4: We enjoy talking about this stuff as well. We do

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Speaker 4: So we thought, let's do a show where we, you know,

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Speaker 4: throw out some targets that makes sense for the Braves.

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Speaker 4: So this will be a fun show. I'm looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: This one absolutely, and as you mentioned, Stephen, looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it again. I'll say it, I've said it for years,

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Speaker 1: and I'll say it for years more to the best

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Speaker 1: when it comes to two of the best minds and

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Speaker 1: just insights when it comes to the Braves. Scott and

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Speaker 1: Steven always loved getting to pick y'all's brains when it

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Speaker 1: comes to discussing the Braves. But before we get into

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Speaker 1: specific targets, I do think that it's important to set

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Speaker 1: and their statuses that could impact what exactly the Braves

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Speaker 1: you're looking for, what aspects of this Braves team that

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Speaker 1: they may be looking to feel through trades, and of

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Speaker 1: course I'm speaking of Spencer Strider and Ronald Acunya Junior.

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Speaker 1: It was basically revealed over the past twenty four hour

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Speaker 1: transparent and said, no, we do not expect Spencer Strider

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Speaker 1: going into the off season. The preparation is is that

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Speaker 1: They're not going to be available to start the season.

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Speaker 1: But I think that what people need to realize also

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it has now that we know with

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Speaker 3: But I think it's also important to remember that the

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Speaker 1: And Steven, I'll add to this, twelve months ago we

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Speaker 1: pitching was obviously an area of need. Outfield was an

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Speaker 1: area of need. The Braves did well in going out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you could make the argument that even

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Speaker 1: So then let's expand the conversation a bit as we

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Speaker 1: were rumored to be in on Dylan ceased quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: But this time around it's Garrett Crochet from the University

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Speaker 1: don't don't know that's that's that's National Champion Volunteers, Stephen.

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Speaker 1: But getting back to Garrett Crochet, very popular trade target.

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Speaker 1: Many teams are going to be in on him, probably

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a report that came out today on

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Speaker 3: and of course Chicago decided to hold on to him.

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Speaker 3: And the fact is the White Sox are so weirdly

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Speaker 3: But the White Sox are so weird that who knows.

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Speaker 3: twenty million bucks.

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Speaker 4: Like what well, not only not only that he'd said

433
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Speaker 4: that about a guy who still had a player option

434
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Speaker 4: that was to be to be determined. Like it's one

435
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 4: thing if you just say that about a guy who's

436
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Speaker 4: walking out the door. He hadn't walked out the door yet,

437
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 4: he's coming back. Yeah, like, yeah, that was one of

438
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 4: the dumbest things. I Like, has that guy never seen

439
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 4: a microphone before? Like, you know you're gonna have Like, Honestly,

440
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 4: if I was Jordan Montgomery, I would have I would

441
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Speaker 4: have picked up that player option out of Spike ou

442
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 4: at that even if I didn't want to be there,

443
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 4: I'd be like, you know what, asshole, you gotta talk

444
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 4: about me like that. You're gonna pay me twenty two

445
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 4: million dollars next year. And I don't know if that's

446
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Speaker 4: why he did it, but I when I saw he

447
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 4: picked up that option, I laughed. I laughed so hard.

448
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Sorry, Sean, not to cut you off. I

449
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 3: just had to mention that if folks maybe only follow

450
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: the Braves or missed it a few weeks ago, I again,

451
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 3: crazy stuff Yice.

452
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Speaker 1: And the other name I was going to throw out

453
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: is jamis Italian. Who is you know? The Braves were

454
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 1: very much linked to Zach Eflin of the Tampa Bay

455
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: Rays last year, eventually traded to the Baltimore Orioles. If

456
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: you go to baseballsamunt dot com, a great tool that

457
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: they have is player's similarity. The top comparable for Zach

458
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: Eflin is jameis Italian for the Cubs loop to move

459
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Speaker 1: off him if they want to be free agent players.

460
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: Pretty durable guy. My whole point is is that we

461
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Speaker 1: just we talked about a couple of different scenarios. There

462
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Speaker 1: are plenty of scenarios out there where the Braves. Yes,

463
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Speaker 1: the cost would be high in terms of money, but

464
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: it may be low in terms of prospect, and that

465
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Speaker 1: has kind of been the avenue Alex has taken in

466
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Speaker 1: the past. I think that they're looking to make a

467
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Speaker 1: notable addition to the starting rotation. This may be the

468
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Speaker 1: avenue that they go. Is there any name out there

469
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Speaker 1: that stands out among the rest besides Sunny Gray for y'all.

470
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Speaker 3: You know, I'll throw it to Steven here because I'm

471
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Speaker 3: curious to get his take on this player. But Kevin

472
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: Gosman was interesting, and I'm glad you mentioned him Sean

473
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: the break. I mean, he's been flat out awesome in

474
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: prior seasons and Toronto probably needs to do a rebuild.

475
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: I know they've been connected a little bit to Juan Soto,

476
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: but you know, it'd be a reunion with Gosman. But

477
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Speaker 3: I am intrigued at least that maybe seeing what the

478
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: cost would be and buying low because it looks like

479
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 3: he's under contract through twenty twenty six at twenty two

480
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: million bucks and that that's, you know, that's more than

481
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Speaker 3: reasonable for an arm like his.

482
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Gosman's fascinating because we know for a fact that

483
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Speaker 4: Alexandopplos has interested in him because he's traded for him

484
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Speaker 4: before and Gosman is probably not Probably Gosman's certainly been

485
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 4: a better pitcher since he left the Braves than before

486
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Speaker 4: he was acquired by the Braves the first time, and

487
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: so there's definitely a profile there that you know for

488
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: a fact that Alex likes. It's twenty two million a year,

489
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 4: which is kind of a sweet spot for the Braves

490
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Speaker 4: if you kind of look at like where they sit

491
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Speaker 4: their top end guys at everybody the highest pain the

492
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 4: highest salary on the team is twenty two million. Sale

493
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 4: makes that. Riley makes that and I think Olsen makes that,

494
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 4: and those are the highest PID guys on the team,

495
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 4: and so that does fit. Jordan Montgomery is also right

496
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: in that salary range, so that would fit as well.

497
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, Gosman, out of those names, Gosman is definitely

498
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 4: the interesting one, you know, Toronto is just in such

499
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: a weird spot because they have vladd junior for one

500
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 4: more year, they have Bischett for one more year, and

501
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 4: there's an argument there like the fifth best team in

502
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 4: that division if everything goes right, though, like they have

503
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 4: enough talent, like just George Springer has fallen off the planet.

504
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: Jose Barrios has not been as good as he was

505
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: in Minnesota. I mean even Bashett, but you know himself

506
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 4: had a the worst year of his career last year.

507
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 4: Otherwise he probably would have been traded at the deadline.

508
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: He's just so bad they couldn't get anything for him,

509
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: and they probably can't get any thing for him as winner.

510
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 4: So I don't know what Toronto's gonna do. If you

511
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Speaker 4: told me for sure Toronto's gonna look to to move

512
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Speaker 4: off some money, then Gosman might be at the top list, honestly,

513
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: because I think that's another guy you could probably get

514
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: without having to give up too much in terms of prospects.

515
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 4: There's a profile that braves clearly like that's an interesting

516
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 4: name for sure. I just don't know what Toronto's gonna do.

517
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have an opinion on it,

518
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 4: but I just I don't I can't guarantee that Toronto's

519
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 4: gonna sell anything. They might just say, you know, we

520
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 4: got these guys for one more year. We're gonna you know,

521
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: we're gonna go all in for one more year and

522
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: just you know, tear it down after that. I don't

523
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: know what they're gonna do. But Gaulsman's a fascinating name.

524
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, I'm glad you threw in Bobashett. I mean,

525
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about shortstops a little bit tonight, but

526
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: you know, Bishett would be you would be buying as

527
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: low as you can buy on a player after all

528
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 3: the injuries and just flat out underperformance Bashett had last year.

529
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 3: But if you guys tell me that at some point

530
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Speaker 3: we get the Blue Square saying the Braves and Blue

531
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Speaker 3: Jays if made a deal this winter, that feels like

532
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Speaker 3: a real possibility.

533
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 1: I agree, And I think that that's kind of going

535
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Speaker 1: to be a theme of this whole you know show,

536
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Speaker 1: is that there's certain teams that we are gonna have

537
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: multiple trade targets. That makes sense for the Braves, the

538
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: Blue Jays, the Cardinals among other the White Socks and

539
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: you know, we know that, and Thoughtless has had connections

540
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: with these demons in the past when it comes to trades.

541
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Speaker 1: But we've I think we've done a pretty good job

542
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: kind of cornering the starting pitching market as to multiple

543
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: names that can make sense. But the other big need,

544
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: of course is outfielder and scott. The thing that comes

545
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: to mind for me is that the Braves have a

546
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: long term option and center that I think anybody would

547
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: be envious of in Michael Harris, the second Ronald Acuna Junior. Yes,

548
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: he's coming off injury, but he was MVP in twenty

549
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: twenty three. I think that he'll eventually get back, at

550
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: least offensively, you know, to what he was, maybe a

551
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: little bit less speed. They of course went out and

552
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: got Jared kell Nick last offseason. I don't think he

553
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: lived up to expectations, but the overall thought is that

554
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: the Braves are still going to give him an opportunity.

555
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: So it brings the interesting question to place. They need

556
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Speaker 1: an outfielder. They likely need a left handed hitting outfielder,

557
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: but is it an outfielder who they put try to

558
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: go for a one year veteran as a stop gap

559
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: and refigure it out next year long term or do

560
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: they potentially try to go get another pretty relevant, significant

561
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: commodity that they can control for multiple years. I think

562
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: you could go either way. What are your thoughts with

563
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: how the brave, with what direction the brave should go

564
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: in the outfield?

565
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Speaker 3: So let me ask you, Steven, because you were tweeting

566
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 3: about this the other day, and then we'll talk about

567
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: a couple of outfielders they could trade for. But what

568
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: do you think this team thinks of Jared Keelnick after

569
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: one season? With the idea that you are bringing in

570
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: a new hitting coach, an accomplished hitting coach who might

571
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: be able to help him. But the fact is Kelnick

572
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: is is I think fourteen hundred plate appearances into his

573
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: career now, the fact is he hasn't hit and three teams,

574
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: well two teams have traded him already. So where are

575
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: you guys at with Kelnick? Because I think he is

576
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: kind of an interesting piece to this whole puzzle.

577
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you talk about fascinating things. I would love to know,

578
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: like this might be at the top of the list

579
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: is where they think where internally they are on Jared

580
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: Kelnick Because like for me and I did tweetk this

581
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: out the other day. But like once you get to

582
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Speaker 4: fift once you start getting up to like fifteen hundred,

583
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: two thousand plate appearances, the amount of improvement that you

584
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: make is a lot less than people think. Like there's

585
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: not a ton you know, this is a bit of

586
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: like the Dansby Swanson thing, but like there's just not

587
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: a ton of growth after that, Like you kind of

588
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: argue who you are. I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

589
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: There are certainly guys who have, you know, figure out

590
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: at age thirty and have tremendous careers after that, but

591
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: it those are more outliers than they are the rule.

592
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 4: And you know, the bottom line is Jared Kelnick is

593
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: almost at fifteen hundred player princess first career, He's got

594
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: a career eighty six WRC plus he's got to strike

595
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 4: out rate in the thirties for his career. You know,

596
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: I'll walk right in the single digits. Like there are

597
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: some massive, massive red flags about his profile. Like you said,

598
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 4: he's been traded twice. You know that, you know that's

599
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: people don't think about that, but that's actually a pretty

600
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 4: big red flag in its own right. You know, teams

601
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: don't really give up on these type of guys if

602
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: they think they're the next roun on the Cuno Junior.

603
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: And so.

604
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: If it were me, if it's my team, if I'm

605
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: King of the Braves, There's not a chance that I'm

606
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: running Jared Kelnick back out there as my starter. I'm

607
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: not even running him out there as the strong side

608
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 4: of a platoon because if you platoon him, he's gonna

609
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: get four or five hundred player princes, And I don't

610
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: know if you want Jared Kelnick taking five hundred player

611
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: prints for you in left field. He is a good defender,

612
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: he's a good backup center fielder, but that's not what

613
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 4: you need in the left fielder. You need somebody can hit,

614
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: especially when the Braves. You know, he's one of the

615
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: only left handers in the lineup outside of Wolston and Harris.

616
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: You need a guy who can hit in that spot.

617
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: So if it were me, I would not depend on

618
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: Jared Kelnick going in the next year. I don't know.

619
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Speaker 4: Sean Field's definitely. I don't know if you field differently Scott,

620
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 4: but I would not depend on Jared Kelnick in twenty

621
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Speaker 4: twenty five.

622
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Speaker 1: He's a perfect fourth outfielder right, you know, especially for

623
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: a team that needs left handed hitting with upside, with

624
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: considerable upside. He can defend all three positions. He does well,

625
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: I think, most of the time in the corner positions.

626
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: And if he ever figures it out, if we ever,

627
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: if we can ever see Jared Kilnick take the first

628
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: two months of twenty twenty three and put.

629
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Speaker 2: It over a full season.

630
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Speaker 1: You've got a very valuable three maybe.

631
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Speaker 2: Four win player.

632
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Speaker 1: But the likelihood of that happening with each passing season

633
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: that it doesn't happen is not there. So I think

634
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: that Jared Kilnick, especially with the control that you have

635
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: for him, it's nice to have him as a fourth outfielder.

636
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: I think he's certainly a part of the team, but

637
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: he's no one that gets in the way of you

638
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: going to add another controllable outfielder if the deal makes sense,

639
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: I think that's the way to look at it. And

640
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: if he forces his hand, great, it's a good problem

641
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: to have. But let him do that, and you plan

642
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: on making the deal for another relevant outfielder that you

643
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: feel is going to put you in a better position

644
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: as a starter.

645
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, the fact is, we talked about

646
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 3: Acunya off the jump, I mean, Jared Kelmick might be

647
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: starting in right field or left field just out of

648
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: pure necessity for however long to begin the season. And

649
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: that does kind of give you another chance to see

650
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: him for one hundred plate appearances or something like that.

651
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: And hey, if kelmic comes out of the gate and

652
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: he's carrying a one forty WRC plus and he's driving

653
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: the ball and he's walking not striking out all the

654
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: time like that, like you said, that is a non problem.

655
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: You find ways to figure it out, especially with the

656
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: uncertainty of Acunya. But for all those reasons, I do

657
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: think they have to add an outfielder this winter. And

658
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: on the topic of who the Braves could trade for,

659
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: there's a player who I really wanted to bring up

660
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: tonight Again. He kind of falls in the same bucket

661
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: because he is a teammate of Sonny Gray and we

662
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: are not certain that the Cardinals are going to sell

663
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: or retool. But Lars Newtbar, who is like an all

664
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: time name. I mean, he sounds like a villain in

665
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: Star Wars or something like that, But Lars Nutbar really

666
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: a good hitter so far with the Cardinals, but he's

667
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: kind of like a stat cast god. His exit velocity

668
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: numbers are fantastic. He's underperformed considerably the last few years,

669
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 3: like his expected wOBA is really high. Again, he's a

670
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: patient hitter too, which is something this lineup just does

671
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: not have a ton of one of the lowest swing

672
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: rates outside of the strike zone of any qualified hitter

673
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: in baseball last season. And the idea of working in

674
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: because Steven is the king of this the idea of

675
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: working in a couple of left handed bats to this

676
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: lineup to help balance things out really to me should

677
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: be a priority. And Nutbar is a lefty. He can

678
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: play the corners, he's a solid defender, He's a middle

679
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: of the lineup bat. He's twenty seven years old, so

680
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: you're getting him for his prime years. And again, if

681
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: the Cardinals are willing to move him, I would give

682
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: up a lot to get Newt Bar. And maybe that's

683
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: not like a shocking take, but the fact is he

684
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: has not been a superstar to this point with Saint Louis,

685
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: but he just feels like a breakout is coming at

686
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: any given point if he can just kind of put

687
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: it all together for a full season.

688
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love Lars Newtbar so much. Like he is

689
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: such a good hitter. He's got like a I think

690
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 4: he's got like a three fifty career on base percentage.

691
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: He's like a thirteen thirteen percent career walk rate. Yeah,

692
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 4: Scott said, he's got tremendous play discipline, which this team desperately,

693
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 4: desperately needs. They need guys who know how to take

694
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 4: bad pitches and swing at good pitches. I think playing

695
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: in Truest Park, where that short portion and left would

696
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 4: help him, you know, achieve. Like Scott said, he's he's

697
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 4: had a couple of years of underperforming as bad as balls.

698
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 4: You know, Saint Louis is more of a neutral park,

699
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: if not a pitcher's park. I think he would help

700
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: him to move to Truest. No, he's fantastic. I love

701
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 4: Laura's nutbarn. You know, the Cardinals are fascinating because it

702
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 4: did not work. You know, it did not work last year.

703
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: They've followed, they've really you know, if you if you

704
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 4: read Cardinals fans, you know they're kind of the sky

705
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 4: is falling. Yeah, you know, that's kind of their mindset

706
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: the last couple of years because this has not gone

707
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: well and I thought they might. I thought they might

708
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 4: turn over the entire front office, and I thought they'd

709
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 4: turn over the entire coach staff. And I thought that

710
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 4: there's a chance they might burn the whole thing down

711
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: and just completely rebuild it. I don't know if they will,

712
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 4: but it's out there. I mean, people are talking about

713
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 4: them getting rid of Sunny Gray, about trying to get

714
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: off Nolan Ernano's money. Paul Goldschmid's a free agent. They're

715
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: not going to bring him back. You know, once you

716
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: lose all that talent at some point, you might as

717
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: well just go ahead and strip it down to the studs.

718
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 4: And if that happens, then the Cardinals have a couple

719
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 4: of guys nowt bar maybe at the top of the

720
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 4: list that our teams are going to be very interested in.

721
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 4: And like Scott said, it would cost a lot because

722
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 4: this guy's got multiple years of control. He's very good.

723
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: But this is what the Braves need, in my opinion.

724
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 4: If not this guy, then this type of guy, left handed,

725
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: really good plate discipline, really good power numbers. You know,

726
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: you can you can literally bat him anywhere you want

727
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: in the lineup and you're fine. He doesn't have to

728
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 4: bat you know, eighth or ninth. I'm so tired of

729
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: hearing about, Well, this guy could bat eighth or ninth

730
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: in the Braves lineup and be fine. Like we have

731
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 4: enough of those, Like we need somebody who can bat second, third, fourth, fifth, anywhere,

732
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 4: you know, anywhere there's a hole that night. I would

733
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 4: love to get more left handed in the lineup. Yeah,

734
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: I love, I love Lars Newtbar. It would cost a lot,

735
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 4: you know, it's gonna how I feel about the trade

736
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: would very much come down to what they had to

737
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 4: give up to get him. But yeah, he's exactly the

738
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: type of hitter the Braves need to add.

739
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: And we're all about adding names to the collection of

740
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: potential options, right because I agree with y'all, Lars Newtbar

741
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: would be at the top of my list. But a

742
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: couple of American League East teams stand out to me

743
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: with a couple of potential targets that may make sense.

744
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: There have been reports that the Boston Red Sox could

745
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: potentially look to try to deal from a position of strength,

746
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: which is good left handed hitters to add to another

747
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: part of their team. And I think that Boston is

748
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: always looking for pitching, right, You've got Jared Duran, who

749
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: came off a very good season last year, their top

750
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: hitting prospect, Roman Anthony one of the top prospects of

751
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: the game as a left handed hitting prospects. But Will

752
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: You're a Braid, who I think came out of nowhere

753
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: as being one of the better overall outfitters in the

754
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: American League, won a Gold Globe unbelievable arm and right field.

755
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: Showed some very good potential with the plate, some good power,

756
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: good patience, does strike out a lot, very long term control.

757
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: But if Boston and they know the brist system from

758
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: the Chris Sel trade, you know that just happened last

759
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: all season. If they like one of our young arms,

760
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: could that young arm potential be the center of a

761
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: package to go get a will You a Braid? Maybe

762
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I don't know y'all's thoughts on that

763
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: level of player. Probably less likely than like a Lars

764
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: new Bar, but another option and another name that's always

765
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: intrigued me. He's had a couple of down seasons. But

766
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: if we're talking about the Toronto Blue Jays potentially looking

767
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: to rebuild, Dalton var Show I think has showed some

768
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: intriguing numbers, some intriguing talent in the past, exceptional athlete,

769
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: unbelievable defender. Braves may not necessarily need that with Michael

770
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: Harris out in the outfield, but if you want to

771
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: take a one year chance on him, I think that

772
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: that's something. He could be a guy that we've seen

773
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: the Braves do before. They could unlock some potential on him.

774
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: So a couple of other left handed names that may

775
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: not necessarily take all the farm to get, but could

776
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: certainly be intriguing his targets.

777
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I looked at I looked at will your a

778
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 4: braid you. I remember looking at him at the trade

779
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 4: deadline last year when we were thinking that the Braves

780
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: were going to add an outfielder and not a DH.

781
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 4: I remember going through his profile. Are an unbelievably good

782
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: outfield defender, really strong arm, he's I think he's a

783
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: I think he was a rookie last year, so he's

784
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: still got like six years of team control. I don't

785
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 4: think he's a free agent to like twenty thirty or

786
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: twenty thirty one. But I have read a lot about

787
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: the Red Sox this offseason about how they are they

788
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 4: have the opposite problem. They're too left handed. They they

789
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 4: don't like how left handed they are in their lineup.

790
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 4: They've got obviously, they've got Duran, they got Devors, they

791
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 4: got Casses, they got Yoshida, They've got some prospects coming

792
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: up that are left handed. They want to get more

793
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 4: right handed. And you know, if you've already got those

794
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: guys in the lineup, do you have a place for

795
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 4: a guy like a bray You even though he's young

796
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: and cheap, if you want more balanced, then you don't

797
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 4: really have a spot for him. And so another guy

798
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: that would not be cheap to get. The Red Sox

799
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: are almost certainly going to try to compete next year,

800
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: so I doubt they would just give him for prospects.

801
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 4: I don't know what that trade would look like. I

802
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: don't know if if if you know, the Red Sox

803
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 4: are still they might still be sour about how the

804
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 4: Chris Sale trade worked out relative to how you know,

805
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 4: von Grisselm worked out. I don't know if they're gonna

806
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 4: be in a hurry to deal with Alex again. But yeah, listen,

807
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 4: if they like some of the Braves young pitchers, you know,

808
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: if they love Hurston Waldrip, I don't know. I'm just

809
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: going out a name. You know, somebody's close to the

810
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: majors that can potentially help them in twenty twenty five.

811
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 4: I could see that, But I'll Bret you is a

812
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: really interesting guy. It is fascinating to me that the

813
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: Red Sox are trying to get more right handed, the

814
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: Braves are trying to get more left handed. There is

815
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 4: a potential match there. Barshaw, I don't know quite as

816
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: much about, quite honest, And again I don't know what

817
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 4: Toronto's gonna do, but I bray you as a guy

818
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: that I looked at. I liked a lot at the

819
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: trade deadline. And we'll just see what the Red Sox

820
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: do and if they can find a match with the

821
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: Braves for something that would help them in twenty twenty five,

822
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 4: because they're almost certainly going to try to compete.

823
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we talked about the left field wheel

824
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: in Atlanta for the last however many years. Yeah, Eddie

825
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: Rosario wasn't really that guy. Of course, Alex remade his

826
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: outfield over in twenty twenty one. Kelnick not great. Loriano

827
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: nice season and a godsend for what he gave the lineup,

828
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: But I don't think Loriano is a long term piece.

829
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: We'll see if they tender him a deal. You know, Bray,

830
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: it would be interesting really, just from the fact that

831
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: he is presumably a long term core piece. If Alex

832
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: kind of wants to stop that carousel in left field,

833
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: could you would have to pay up I mean, don't

834
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: get me wrong, man, you would have to give up

835
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: a lot for a controllable, young, talented outfielder who can

836
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: do a little bit of everything. But if it means

837
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: that you have solidified your left field spot for the

838
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: next five to ten seasons, those are the kind of

839
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: moves where I really don't flinch too much at trading

840
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, two or three of your top prospects, he's

841
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: a likelihood is you're going to be fine as long

842
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: as the player just doesn't start forgetting how to play baseball,

843
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: and that's unlikely. And then on you know, Sean, you

844
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: mentioned var show. He's mildly interesting, a fantastic defender. I

845
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 3: don't know if he hits enough necessarily to warrant an

846
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: everyday middle of the lineup or lower middle lineup spot.

847
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 3: But I think probably the overall point that we should

848
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: make tonight is I would love to see, like the whiteboard,

849
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: they probably don't use a whiteboard anymore, but the whiteboard

850
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 3: and Alex's office with every single player they have checked

851
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: in on and where they rank in like a totem pole,

852
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: if you will, of this player's number one, this player's too,

853
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: this player's three, if they're willing to eat some contract

854
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: and get an idea of how they are prioritizing and

855
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 3: what they're prioritizing in terms of young, old, left, verst

856
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: right handed, all of those things.

857
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 4: And I'll say this, one good thing about Kilnick is

858
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: that he is good enough defensively that if he has

859
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: to play right field, so like the Braves have to

860
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 4: figure out right field for the next you know, maybe

861
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: two months starting in twenty twenty five. Maybe it's only

862
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 4: a month, but you kind of have to plan like

863
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 4: it's gonna be, you know, you have to plan for

864
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 4: worst case scenario. Yeah, and kel Nick being good enough

865
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 4: defensively does help because now you don't have to factor

866
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: that in. If you go get a guy you know

867
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: you can play him and left.

868
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: It does.

869
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: It does open up some guys who maybe aren't great

870
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 4: because Kelnick is good enough to play right field and

871
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: has a strong enough arm to play right field, that

872
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 4: is a that is a variable that matters here, and

873
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: you know they could potentially go out and get some

874
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 4: weaker defenders. You gotta be careful because when Acunya comes back,

875
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: you don't know how good of a defender he's gonna

876
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: be out there, and you don't want to run Michael

877
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 4: Harris to death. But Jared Kelnick being a good defensive

878
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: outfielder does help in this situation where he's probably, like

879
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: Scott said earlier, one way or the other, he's probably

880
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: gonna have to play at least until Akunya comes back,

881
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: unless they go get a bunch of outfielders this offseason.

882
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 4: As it stands now, he's probably gonna get at least

883
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 4: one hundred or so plate appearances in the first month

884
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: of the season, and the fact that you can field helps.

885
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: So then let's tie the potential need for an outfielder

886
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: with another position that I know many you're going to

887
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to the Braves saw season,

888
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: and that of course is shortstop. One of the most

889
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: popular Braves in terms of conversation last year was Orlando Arcia,

890
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: but it wasn't for the most positive of reasons. Orlando

891
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: Arcia definitely not the best of seasons. When it came

892
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: to offense, it was especially the case when it seemed

893
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: like every game he came up with a big run

894
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: scoring opportunity and it did not work out much more

895
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: often than it did. But I will say this about Arcia.

896
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: The Braves certainly seem to value defense at the shortstop position,

897
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: and I think that they're satisfied with Rcia's defense. I

898
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: don't know if his offense means that they should keep

899
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: on value in him as a starter, but I think

900
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: at the very least that they are They know they

901
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: have something there. But the reason I say tie the

902
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: outfield to the shortstop position is when you look at

903
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: what potentially is out there in the trademarket for the

904
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: short position, there's just not a lot out there in

905
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: terms of like actual you know, pure shortstops. If it's

906
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: a left handed hitting shortstop, it's a franchise type player

907
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: that you're probably not going to want to pay the

908
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: cost for.

909
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

910
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: So I think that opens up the conversation to something

911
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: that the Braves have not had for a while that

912
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: I really think could benefit them going forward, and that

913
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: is a utility player that you could feel comfortable playing

914
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: at multiple positions throughout the season, and when you open

915
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: up that potential pull of players, there are some intriguing

916
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: names out there that could make sense either in the

917
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: middle windfield or the outfield, and maybe even at shortstop.

918
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: Scott steven y'all got some names in mind that potentially

919
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: could fill that role.

920
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, so a guy I love Willie Castro of the Twins.

921
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: People probably don't know who that is, quite honestly, Brace

922
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: fans probably have no idea who that is. But the

923
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 4: Twins are in a really interesting spot. So the Twins

924
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: are one of the teams that are going through this

925
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: big debacle with the TV money. They're a team that

926
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: has spent aggressively the last couple of years. They've gave

927
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: Buckston a big extension, they signed Korea. You know, they've

928
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 4: given out a lot of money. And from what I've

929
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: read this offseason, they're gonna have to come off with

930
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 4: some of that money. And Willie ca ander Willie Castro,

931
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: So Willi Castro is a twenty eight year old utility guy.

932
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 4: He played second base, shortstop, third base, left field, center field,

933
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 4: and right field last year, played them all pretty evenly

934
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 4: in terms of distribution, and played them all at a

935
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 4: plus or above level defensively, So this is a guy

936
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 4: who can literally play shortstop for you. And that's where

937
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 4: he played most of the time last year with shortstop,

938
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 4: and again he played it as a plus defender. He's

939
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 4: twenty eight years old. He's a switch hitter who hits

940
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: better from the left side than he does the right side.

941
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: So that does help your lineup balance, which is something

942
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: I've tried to factor into all of this stuff. He's

943
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: left handed. He's got two more years of team control,

944
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 4: which is why this matters. The Twins might be looking

945
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 4: to move him anyways, just because of his contract status.

946
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 4: But he makes six million, and one problem for the

947
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: Twins is they have Carlos Korea, they have Royce Lewis,

948
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 4: they have brooks Lee, they have Edward Julian, they have

949
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: a lot of middle infielders. And Willie Castro's guy. Even

950
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 4: though he can play over the field, he primarily plays shortstop,

951
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: third base, second base. And because he makes he's projected

952
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 4: to make six million dollars in arbitration next year, the

953
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 4: Twins might look to move that because they need to

954
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: spend that six million dollars somewhere else. And listen, he's

955
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 4: a guy that hits. He's got he's got a one

956
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: to ten WRC plus the last two years. Again, he's

957
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 4: left handed, he could play everywhere. He's a really good defender.

958
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: You know, he's a guy that can get a base.

959
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: He doesn't strike out a ton. He's a guy ILike.

960
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 4: He's a guy like a lot and primarily because he

961
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 4: could play shortstop. And if that happens again, where Orlando

962
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: Arcia is the worst player in baseball, and that's let's

963
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: be honest, that's a possibility. Orlando Arcia is not great.

964
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: And you know there is there's a reason that Orland

965
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 4: Orcia makes bench money is because he's a bench player

966
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: that the Braves have kind of forced into starting. A

967
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 4: guy like Cashro that can play left field and right

968
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 4: field if Acuna is still hurt, but can also play shortstop,

969
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 4: play second base. Ozzie's had injury stuff the last couple

970
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 4: of years, can play third base. Riley had injury stuff.

971
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: A guy like that is just hyper hyper valuable and

972
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 4: all for six million bucks. And again, the Twins might

973
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 4: give you a pretty good deal on them because they're

974
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: looking to move money. Anyways. This is one of those

975
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: that from a lot of different angles. Makes sense, and

976
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: I think somebody's gonna trade for this guy this offseason.

977
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: I would love for it to be the Braves. I

978
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 4: think the Braves need more help at shortstop. I think

979
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 4: they need more help on the infield altogether. They end

980
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: up having to sign Whip Maerfield, you Orchella, just like

981
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 4: in these emergency situations, because they don't have a ton

982
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 4: of prospects who are great, and the upper miners that

983
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 4: you know infield, not Choualvarez just clearly wasn't ready. They

984
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 4: need more, They need more organization depth in these spots.

985
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: And this guy checks a ton of boxes, very cheap

986
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: six million bucks. The Braves could easily, do you know,

987
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 4: they could certainly find a trade partner or you know,

988
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: something that the Twins would want back in trade. I

989
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 4: love this one. This is one of my favorites. I

990
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 4: think the Brads need to go get Willie Castro.

991
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Steven, as you were talking about him,

992
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: Martine Prato kind of came to mind. A little bit

993
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: guy who can hit, guy who can play all over

994
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 3: the diamond. You mentioned the cost salary wise, absolutely fits.

995
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: They could add a player like Castro and then still

996
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: go out and add an impact outfielder and an impact

997
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: starting pitcher, maybe a reliever as well. I like Castro

998
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: a lot, and you know, he is not a household

999
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: name by any means. I think, you know, you have

1000
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 3: to be a pretty big baseball fan in order to

1001
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: know Castro, because he's not only not a household name,

1002
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: but he's overshadowed by Buxton and Correa and some of

1003
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: the bigger names in Minnesota. But yes, if the Twins

1004
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 3: are willing to move on from him, all about it.

1005
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: One other infielder who I at least wanted to mention

1006
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: on the show tonight for a team that may be

1007
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: looking to trade some infield depth as well, is Nico

1008
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: Horner from the Chicago Cubs. You know, Horner is kind

1009
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: of the opposite of what the Braves have in their

1010
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: lineup right now. He is I mean, let's just pull

1011
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: up his numbers here. I mean, he has twenty three

1012
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: hundred plate appearances in his career and he has twenty

1013
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: nine home runs. So this guy not a power hitter.

1014
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: You know, He's not hitting doubles and triples and just

1015
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: rocketing the baseball all over. But Horner does a lot

1016
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 3: of things well. He is terrific defensively, and he's really

1017
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: just kind of a contact, old school middle infielder who

1018
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: could play shortstop for the Braves. Similarly, I believe Horner

1019
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: is signed for two more seasons at about eleven and

1020
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: a half million bucks. He can really run, which is

1021
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 3: something I think I'd love to see the Braves add

1022
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: some speed and athleticism to this lineup. Horner's averaged about

1023
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: forty stolen maybe thirty five stolen bases the last two years,

1024
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: doesn't strike out a ton, gets on basin a decent

1025
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: enough clip, And if the Cubs decide they want to

1026
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: move on and make up some room in their middle infield,

1027
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 3: obviously they're tethered to Dansby Swanson for another five seasons.

1028
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: I think Corner is a player the Braves will at

1029
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: least try to have conversations on because he'd be a

1030
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: nice piece up the middle for his defense, and really

1031
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: speed as well is really something that's kind of interesting

1032
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: to me.

1033
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, another name, go ahead, Steven.

1034
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 4: Well, it was just because the Cubs are another interesting team.

1035
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 4: Because you know, Cody Bellinger opted into that big contract.

1036
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: There's been reports that the Cubs maybe look need to

1037
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 4: move some money. You know, when we were putting these

1038
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 4: lists together, I actually thought about Ian Happ, the left

1039
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: handed hitter out of Chicago who makes a decent money,

1040
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 4: you know, if maybe the Cubs needed to move something,

1041
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 4: if if if he was a guy that the Braves

1042
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 4: might need. Somebody I've liked for a long time, a

1043
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: really good on base guy. Yeah, me too, I've liked.

1044
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, So the Cubs are another interesting team who

1045
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna try to contend next year because

1046
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 4: they've spent money. They spend money on Daysby, they spent

1047
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 4: money on Bellinger, Uh Suzuki, They've added some pitching. You know.

1048
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 4: Sean earlier was talking about Italian and the reason I

1049
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 4: was talking about this because I do think the Cubs

1050
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 4: need to move some money, and so, yeah, what what

1051
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: would they want? I think they would want probably some

1052
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 4: major league help and return. Those trades are always trickier.

1053
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, the Cubs are interesting. The Cubs are

1054
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 4: very interesting because the Cubs could both I could see

1055
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: the Cubs kind of buying and selling this offseason, trying

1056
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 4: to move money around while still trying to contend, you know,

1057
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 4: similar to kind of what the Red Sox might do.

1058
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 4: Horner I've always loved Horner. He's a really fun player.

1059
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 4: He's a throwback player. Scott is one hundred percent right.

1060
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 4: This team needs more speed. The Braves desperately need more speed.

1061
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 4: It was just such a station to station slow team

1062
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: last year.

1063
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: It was like watching me run the bases. It was awesome.

1064
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 4: I mean, especially when they lost, when they lost to

1065
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: Kunya Ann Harris. I mean, is it really is? It

1066
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: was like watch refrigerators run around the basins. It was

1067
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 4: i it was brutal. So yeah, they definitely they need

1068
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 4: more speed. They need to get younger. In my opinion,

1069
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: I like Horner, I like Corner a lot. I'm very

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00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 4: The Cubs are one of the teams I've circled this

1071
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 4: all season because I'm just fascinated to see what they do,

1072
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 4: even if it's not related to the Braves. I just

1073
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 4: want to see what they do this off season because

1074
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 4: they're in a weird spot. They're not the best team

1075
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 4: in that division. You know, the Brewers are really good.

1076
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: They have a lot of money in the books, so

1077
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 4: that's a team that could do quite a bit, and

1078
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 4: the Braves might be involved.

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00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: And speaking of teams that you know are are interesting

1080
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: to watch, you know, it's both the teams that need

1081
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: to move off money these teams that are rebuilding, but

1082
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: it's also these teams that the Braves are familiar with

1083
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: that they've done recent deals with.

1084
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: And when I.

1085
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: Say that, a spotlight goes to the Seattle Mariners, who

1086
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: the Braves had a lot of dealings with last year,

1087
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: and they have a shortstop named JP Crawford, who to

1088
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: me probably is not as intriguing as some of the

1089
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: names that we mentioned. He may not have as high

1090
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: as a ceiling, but he is affordable for two years,

1091
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: and I think that one thing that's stands out he's

1092
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: reliable at the plate in terms of getting on base.

1093
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: And that we talk about the Braves needing to get younger,

1094
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: needed to get more athletic, I think also they just

1095
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: need to have options, especially at the bottom of the lineup,

1096
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: that they can trust that it can get on base.

1097
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: Look at what Mirfield did when he came into the fold.

1098
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: He was more necessarily contact than you know on base,

1099
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: but he worked good at bats. JP Crawford has that

1100
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: type of potential and if the Braves could potentially unlock

1101
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: whatever he did in twenty twenty three on a consistent basis,

1102
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: you've got a guy that could really outperform his contract.

1103
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: So just another name that makes sense.

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00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 2: For the shortstop position.

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00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: No, we're running a little long here, but hey, the

1106
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: topics that we're discussing, we could go for a few hours.

1107
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: We are wrapping up here. But one other position I

1108
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: would like to discuss. Me and Stephen talked about back

1109
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: when we are back in a previous episode earlier this

1110
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: week when we talked about the Joe Himan as injury.

1111
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: Right handed relief, especially a back end option, is another

1112
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: underrated need for the Braves this offseason, and again we

1113
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: talked about these teams that the Braves could be familiar with.

1114
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: We've talked about the fact that the Braves have hired

1115
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: Tim Hiers as their hitting coach, but this week Atlanta

1116
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: has added two former members of the Giants' front office

1117
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: to their own front office. So that means that this

1118
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Braves team could be very interested in what the Giants

1119
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: have to offer in a potential trade and Scott, there

1120
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: is one particular name who could feel that back end

1121
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: of the bullpen option as a right hander. His name

1122
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: is Camillo Daval. He struggled last year but is a

1123
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: perfect reclamation project, and we know Alexanthopolis loves those type

1124
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: of arms.

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00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just to hit a point, you made a

1126
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 3: moment ago if folks didn't see it, the Braves did

1127
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 3: hire two front office executives from the San Francisco Giants.

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00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: Of course, they have had a lot of front office

1129
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: overhaul and based on some stuff I was reading from

1130
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,959
Speaker 3: Giants fans. Not that this is scientific, but it felt

1131
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 3: like they were two legitimate losses for the front office

1132
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: that the Braves are able to add. And I think

1133
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: anytime you bring over people from a front office, there

1134
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: is obviously a familiarity with players in that form of organization.

1135
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 3: So with Duval, I think, you know, he is a

1136
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: live arm and really on the whole. His numbers this

1137
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 3: past season, it just looks like he was kind of unlucky.

1138
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: Devall's walk rate went up a bit, but his BABBIT

1139
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: was the highest of its career by a ton. He

1140
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: had a four point seven ERA, but his FIP and

1141
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 3: x FIP were in the mid threes. This is a

1142
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: guy who is just truly electric when he is on

1143
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 3: the mound, gets a ton of strikeouts when he's right.

1144
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: So I think if the Braves are going to now

1145
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 3: try to fix the hole that Joe Janmenez has left.

1146
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 3: I think Deaval is really an interesting arm, especially if

1147
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: he is made available, because clearly the Braves are going

1148
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: to have some familiarity with him based on the recent hires.

1149
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always liked the ball. The dude throws so hard.

1150
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a flamethrower, those like ninety nine and one.

1151
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 4: I'm I don't fully get why the Giants would trade him.

1152
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 4: I don't know why you would trade low like this.

1153
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 4: I feel like that's a really bad asset management. I

1154
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 4: feel like he's he's absolutely due for a really good

1155
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 4: year next year, a bounce back year, and if you

1156
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 4: want to trade him, then then fine. But if the

1157
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 4: if the Giants are just giving him away, then absolutely

1158
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: I'll take Camilla da ball in a heartbeat. Can you

1159
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 4: imagine that guy in the eighth inning? That would be unbelievable,

1160
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 4: another guy that I liked, and I know Sean was

1161
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 4: teeing up a second ago. And again this is from

1162
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: the Cardinals. I know we had a lot of Cardinals

1163
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 4: on here, but again, the Cardinals are a fascinating team.

1164
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: Cardinals could burn it down starting tomorrow and their entire

1165
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 4: roster available. But Ryan Helsley of the Cardinals is a

1166
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 4: guy that I've loved for a long time. Massive, massive

1167
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 4: flamethrower averages at his fastball last year averaged ninety nine

1168
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 4: point nine miles an hour. That was his average festival

1169
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 4: he threw. I mean that was like little generally one

1170
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 4: o three, one oh four. You know, when you throw

1171
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 4: that hard, obviously you can have command stuff pop up

1172
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 4: once in a while. That's real. But you know, he's

1173
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 4: only got one more year of team control, which is

1174
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 4: another reason the Cardinals are probably gonna trade him is

1175
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 4: they're not almost certainly not going to compete next year

1176
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 4: with this amount of money that they have to cut,

1177
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 4: amount of talent they're gonna have to cut, They're probably

1178
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 4: not gonna. They're probably not gonna They're probably not going

1179
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 4: to keep him for you know, another year when when

1180
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 4: they lose him at the end, and you know, that's

1181
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 4: a guy that could fill the right handed power reliever

1182
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 4: spot that Joey min has left. And I don't know

1183
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 4: what it would cost. It wouldn't be cheap because he's

1184
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: on a reasonable contract. I think his arbitration projection next

1185
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 4: year is like seven million, but that's kind of the

1186
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 4: range the Braves keep their middle relievers in. That's what

1187
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 4: Pierce Johnson made. You know, Jmenez was at nine million,

1188
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 4: Aaron Barmer was gonna be at seven million before they

1189
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 4: restructured his deal. So like that, like, between five and

1190
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 4: ten million is kind of where the Brads are comfortable

1191
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 4: with the leavers. Alex is never cared about spending money

1192
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 4: on relievers, even guys that aren't closers. So I think

1193
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 4: there is some sense to this deal. But yeah, I mean,

1194
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 4: the Braves need a power right handed reliever or a

1195
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 4: high leverage, power right handed reliever the ball Helsy, they're

1196
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 4: gonna I think they're gonna get somebody Devin Williams's guy,

1197
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 4: Sean and I talked about on our last show. You know,

1198
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 4: stack multiple closers in your bullpen. That'd be awesome. You know,

1199
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 4: that's one that would cost obviously more than than even

1200
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 4: Helsley would. But yeah, these guys that make, you know,

1201
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 4: between five and ten million, especially with guys that they

1202
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: got one year on their deal, which incentivizes their current

1203
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 4: team to move them. I like these deals. These deals

1204
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 4: make a lot of sense to me, and I could

1205
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 4: definitely see Helsley being a Brave by the time we

1206
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 4: get the spring training.

1207
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about it, right it's figuring out

1208
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: what's going to make sense when it comes to what

1209
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: the Braves are going to do as the off season

1210
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: unfolds them. Any of these names that we're talking about

1211
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: makes sense right now. What happens when we start seeing

1212
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: them as some of these free agent signings. What happens

1213
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: when we start seeing more injury revelations. More names could

1214
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: become available. But as we wrap up this edition of

1215
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory podcast, Scott Steven gonna throw it out

1216
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: to each of y'all more time. Is there any other

1217
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: names that we have not mentioned that you think would

1218
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense for the Braves? Any more Cardinals?

1219
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: Any more Cubs? Any more Mariners? Just a name or

1220
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: two that we've not mentioned that you could you think

1221
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: could make a lot of sense for the Braves this

1222
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: all season.

1223
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 4: I'll say this, if the Cardinals are actually gonna sell

1224
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 4: like hardcore, sell like to the studs, I'll tell you

1225
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 4: Brendan Donovan all day. I love that dude, you know,

1226
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 4: I mean, another guy that could play all over the field.

1227
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 4: He played second base, he played third base. I think

1228
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 4: he played a bit of shortstop. I know he played

1229
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 4: left field. Ends in right field left handed. Should be

1230
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 4: a theme that you're sensing here. Really good play discipline,

1231
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 4: which again the Braves desperately need more of, good walk totals,

1232
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 4: really low strack out guy. He was like a twelve

1233
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 4: percent strikeout guy last year, which is ridiculously low. I

1234
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 4: love Brendan Donovan. If now that's a guy that the

1235
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 4: Cardinals probably shouldn't be trading because he's got so much

1236
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 4: team control, he's dirt cheap. But if they're truly turning

1237
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 4: it down to the studs and are just you know,

1238
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 4: everybody's open for business, then I'll take Brendan Donovan at a heartbeat.

1239
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna throw out one last name to wrap up.

1240
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 3: I give you two percent chance on this one happening.

1241
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 3: But with the TV contract uncertainty, there is talk that

1242
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: the Texas Rangers might have to unload serious cash. But

1243
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 3: there's also reports that the Rangers might be really active

1244
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 3: in free agency. So which one is it? But if

1245
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 3: Corey Seeger is even possibly available, I mean what Seger

1246
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 3: could do as a left handed bat at Truest Park.

1247
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 3: Still plays a mighty fine shortstop. I mean he would be.

1248
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you want to talk about adding a superstar

1249
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 3: or to you the middle of your lineup. He is

1250
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 3: owed a ton of money. I have no idea what

1251
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: a prospect cost would be, but if there is any

1252
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,479
Speaker 3: chance that Seeger is made available by Texas, UH, sign

1253
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: me up. I would be in the very front of

1254
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 3: the line for that one.

1255
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 4: That's the most fun name that we've mentioned tonight, Cory

1256
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 4: Cory Sieger on this team. I mean, it's never gonna happen,

1257
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 4: but Cory Seger on this team would be I like that.

1258
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 4: That would be, that would be it's not gonna happen.

1259
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 4: That'd belue. I'll take that, tomm.

1260
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm going to revisit a team that you know.

1261
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: I think that we talked about a bit as the

1262
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: trade deadline, and that's the the Tampa bay Rays, who

1263
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, it always seems like they're a bit in limbo.

1264
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: But there are still some names out there that are

1265
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: very intriguing to me. You know, some some you know relievers,

1266
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: some some arms that you potentially could go from relief

1267
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: to being a starter. I love Jose Siri from their outfit.

1268
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: I know he's a right handed hitter, but he seems

1269
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: to be a profile that the Braves would love to

1270
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: potentially bring into the fode. And of course, Steve, I know,

1271
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: a name that you certainly love, but they wanted to

1272
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: stick him in left field. Don't necessarily know if he's

1273
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: a shortstop option for Brandon Lyule. You know, I know

1274
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: they picked up his option. He would certainly be that

1275
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: left handed bat that's just a proven you know, stood

1276
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: in that lineup. So so looking at the Rays, so

1277
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: I think I've kept cal I think we have come

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Speaker 1: close to twenty five names tonight. But that's the whole

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Speaker 1: point of this conversation. The Braves could go a ton

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Speaker 1: of different directions for a ton of different reasons, and

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Speaker 1: that's what makes the off season so exciting. We should

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Speaker 1: get more information, especially at the Braves's side, to go

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Speaker 1: the free agent route, but it definitely seems as if

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of needs. Alex and Thopolis is someone who

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Speaker 1: loves to do things kind of in the shadows without

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Speaker 1: a bunch of fanfare and information, so it's certainly going

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Speaker 1: to be interesting.

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Speaker 2: To see what he does.

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Speaker 1: Steven or Scott y'all have anything else as we wrap

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Speaker 1: up this trade Talk edition of the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we named We named twenty five names, and I

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Speaker 4: guarantee you the moves Alex may won't include a single

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Speaker 4: one of them. So we could have named one hundred names.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, that's what he does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's legitimate. And you know, Alex is man,

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Speaker 3: he's uh, he has thrown us some curveballs over the years.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, when when I got the notification about

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Speaker 3: Chris Sale, I mean I think Brad and I did

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Speaker 3: a show. I think I texted Brad. I was like,

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Speaker 3: what the hell are they doing Chris Sale? This guy's

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Speaker 3: been healthy in a decade? Laire Yeah, yeah, no one

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Speaker 3: had Claire. We did a show for an hour trying

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Speaker 3: to name the outfielder they were going to trade for

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Speaker 3: now he wasn't an outfielder. But yeah, no matter what,

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Speaker 3: it should be a fun off season. It should be

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Speaker 3: a busy off season. Shortstop, corner, outfielder, starting rotation, bullpen.

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Speaker 3: Who knows that they get creative. Who knows if they

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Speaker 3: add a backup catcher, They probably need a utility guy. Regardless,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of things this team has on its

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Speaker 3: plate in the next three or four months, and as always,

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Speaker 3: we'll be here. We're a twelve month podcast and as

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Speaker 3: soon as these deals go down, we always pride ourselves

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Speaker 3: on doing an emergency show within a couple hours whenever

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Speaker 3: we can.

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Speaker 1: Now there's an easy solution to all this, it will

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Speaker 1: devalue the conversation of this show. But I mean, if

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Speaker 1: the Raids just went out and signed Juan Soto and

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Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns on the same day, that takes care of

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Speaker 1: a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, that's yours, it's not my money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right exactly.

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Speaker 3: That will have my money if they do that. But

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Speaker 3: that's right, Yeah, I will. I will pledge twenty dollars

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Speaker 3: to the Atlanta Braves Foundation if they want to. If

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Speaker 3: they want to sign one soda, I'll match.

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Speaker 1: I'll match, got that exactly. Hey, it's been an absolute blast.

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Speaker 1: You can always check out great content such as this

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Speaker 1: nearly three four times a week on the Hammer Territory

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Speaker 1: podcast feed here, on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, where we choose

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Speaker 1: to listen. That's where we'll be for free, part of

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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory family of podcasts. Scott Coleman and Brad

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Speaker 1: Rowland usually with you to start the week on Sundays,

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Speaker 1: and then me and Steven and a mixture of all

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Speaker 1: four of us throughout the week. But until next time,

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Speaker 1: I find plenty of offseason talk as things are really

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Speaker 1: starting to ramp up for Steven Tolbert and Scott Coleman.

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Speaker 1: My name is Sean Coleman. We'll talk to you again

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Speaker 1: soon here on the Hammer Territory podcast