1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Hey, listeners, just a quick heads up, we are going 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: to do something a little bit new with our weekends. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: We know that we have some listeners who have been 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: with us since the very beginning or are more recent 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: arrivals to our show, but then have gone back from 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: the very beginning. But we also know we have a 7 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: lot of folks who haven't really had as much chance 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: to dive into the back catalogs. So on the weekends, 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: we are going to be releasing one of our classic 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: episodes that we will have hand picked to share with you. 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: Also look forward to that coming up in your feed soon. 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Frying and I'm Tracy V. Wilson, and this 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: is the second of our two parter about Carrie A. Nation. 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: And in our first episode, we talked about Carrie Nation's 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: early life and some of the events that influenced her 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: behavior for the rest of her life. And today we're 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: going to jump right into her ongoing work in what 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: she called smash Ings and the many places that her 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: temperance activism took her. On December nineteen hundred more than 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: six months after her smashings in Kiowa and two weeks 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: after her slander trial concluded. It was we're all in 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: part one if you're confused. Carrie Nation famously attacked the 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: bar at the Carry Hotel in Witchtock, Kansas. She had 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: learned from her previous smashings that quote, I could use 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: a rock, but once so I took the cane with me. 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: She also brought a steel rod which she had bound 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: to the cane to give it extra strength. And before 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: settling on the Carrie Hotel is her target, she had 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: actually cased fourteen different places and she was enraged to 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: see police drinking in some of them. But what led 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: her to select the Carry and that has spelled c 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: A R E Y. I know there's a lot of 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: the word carry, but there's a Carry Hotel as well 36 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: as Carrie Nation. What led her to select the Carry 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: was a painting of a naked woman that was kept there. 38 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: She also describes this as an oil painting, but then 39 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: says it was underglass, which is not normally how oils 40 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: are displayed. So it's unclear to me if she got 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: the details wrong or if the saloon didn't know what 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: to do with an oil painting. In any case, though, 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: this painting encapsulated to her just how much could be 44 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: taken from women by men who drank. Quote, it is 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: very significant that the pictures of naked women are in saloons. 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: Women are stripped of everything by them. Her husband is 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: torn from her, she is robbed of her son's, her home, 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: her food, and her virtue. And then they strip her 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: clothes off and hang her up there in these dens 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: of robbery and murder. Truly does a saloon make a 51 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: woman bare of all things? Yeah, she felt ways about things. 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: She felt really, really strongly about how drink really was 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: something that that ruined the lives of women at the 54 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: hands of men. A Nation also thought that the ball 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: are at the Carrey Hotel was a really important target 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: for another reason. It had a more upscale clientele than 57 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: other drinking establishments, so she saw it as a true 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: tragedy to serve people who were seen as respectable alcohol 59 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: because she believed in her heart that it would lead 60 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: to their ultimate ruin. She described her pre bashing preparations 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: for the Carry Hotel in her book quote, I went 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: back to the hotel and bound the rod and cane together. 63 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: Then wrapped paper around the top of it. I slept 64 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: but little that night, spending most of the night in prayer. 65 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: I wore a large cape. I took the cane and 66 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: walked down the backstairs the next morning and out into 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: the alley. I picked up as many rocks as I 68 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: could carry under my cape. I walked into the carry 69 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: bar room and threw two rocks at the picture, then 70 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: turned and smashed the mirror that covered almost the entire 71 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: side of the large room. Some men drinking at the 72 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: bar ran out. The bartender was wiping a glass, and 73 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: he seemed transfixed to the spot and never moved. I 74 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: took the cane and broke the sideboard, which had on 75 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: it all kinds of intoxicating drinks. There's actually a funny 76 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: UM article from a year later where it actually made 77 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: news when they managed to raise enough money to replace 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: the mirror in the bar, because it was apparently very 79 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: expensive to do so. Uh and the property damage that 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 1: she managed tallied up to several thousand dollars and Nation 81 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: was arrested. So keep in mind that it wasn't illegal 82 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: for a saloon to exist as a physical structure. It 83 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: was just the alcohol sales that were illegal, so that 84 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: is why she was arrested there, she was found guilty 85 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: of malicious mischief, and while she was in jail, she 86 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: believed that they her jailers, tried to drive her insane 87 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: by placing smokers in nearby cells she could have buide 88 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: neither pipe nor cigarette smoke, and in many subsequent arrests 89 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: she would similarly accuse the local police of trying to 90 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: drive her mad so that she could be declared insane 91 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: and institutionalized. She also claimed that a jail trustee named 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: John warned her that men in the County Attorney's office 93 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: meant to do her harm. So a trustee is an 94 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: imprisoned person who has exhibit good behavior and has been 95 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: given privileges or responsibilities in return. Carrie had been told 96 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: that the county Attorney, sam Aiden, was going to take 97 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: her out of the jail via the back entry, and 98 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: she agreed to that plan initially, but once she received 99 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: this warning from the trustee that the attorney's office might 100 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: have ill intent, she decided she was not going to 101 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: go with them, and so she wired the door of 102 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: her cell shut with some wire that she got from John, 103 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: who was the trustee, and she waited in her cell 104 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: all night, armed with the leg of a cot in 105 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: case anyone tried to steal her away. She was ready 106 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: to beat their hands if they tried to even touch 107 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: the bars. And while there's no indication that anyone did 108 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: try to kidnap or harm her in this way, she 109 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: commented on the night by writing quote, I know what 110 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: it is to expect murder in my cell. She also 111 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: came to view the Wichita Eagle as something of an 112 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: enemy during this time, calling it the rum Bot sheet 113 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: that has made Wichita one of the most lawless places 114 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: in Kansas. While she was jailed, she was brought copies 115 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: of the paper to read, and the coverage of her 116 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: smashing was decidedly unfriendly to her cause articles about Carrie 117 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: Nation routinely characterized her as just deranged. Yeah, we mentioned 118 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: too that the Kiowa paper had done a similar thing. 119 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: She was in the press pretty much written up as 120 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: like a kukie old lady who just was a nut 121 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: and not to be taken seriously except for the fact 122 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: that she was very damaging to property. But her ordeal 123 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: in the Wichita jail did not deter her at all 124 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: from what she saw as her calling she began receiving letters, 125 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: both hate mail and letters of encouragement, and some people 126 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: even sent her money. Nation quickly gained a following, and 127 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: before long, when she showed up to smash a saloon, 128 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: she was not alone. Sometimes the group with her would sing, 129 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: prey or recite Bible verses while destroying the bars that 130 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: they rated, although she was pretty much the leader in 131 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: all of the physical destruction, and her accompanied smashings began 132 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: immediately after her jail time over the Kerry Hotel incident ended. 133 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: When she left the jail in Wichita, she set out 134 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: for Enterprise, Kansas in Dickinson County because she had been 135 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: sent a letter while she was in jail, and the 136 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: sender had asked her to travel to Enterprise and to 137 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: smash up the saloons there, as she had done in 138 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Kiowa and Wichita. As she headed to the train station, 139 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: a massive crowd had formed, but she made her way 140 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: through the throng of people and boarded. In her account, 141 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: she stated that a man she did not know assisted 142 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: her and kept the crowd away, telling her that he 143 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: believed she was a good woman. When she opened the 144 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: train window to see the crowd, a barrage of eggs 145 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: was let loose at her, but the windows slid closed 146 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: before any could hit her. A rock also flew through 147 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: the window next, but she claimed to be completely unfazed 148 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: by it, as she believed in her heart that God 149 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: was protecting her. After staying with a sympathizer on her 150 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: first night and enterprise, she mediately went to a dive 151 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: to smash it. It was closed because of a baseball 152 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: game in town, so she broke in by smashing the 153 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: front window and climbing through, and as she destroyed the 154 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: alcohol within, several women waited outside. Eventually a marshal arrived 155 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: and removed her from the premises. Although she was not arrested, 156 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: the lawman did prevent her from smashing up another establishment 157 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: across the street from that first one, though I really 158 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: wish we had an account from the perspective of the 159 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: lawman having to deal with all of this, like there's 160 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: a woman destroying the bar, you gotta go get her. 161 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: She was attacked later that day, though, by the wife 162 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: of the man who owned the saloon that she had destroyed, 163 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: and Carrie Nation ended up with a black eye. After that, 164 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: she continued that same day to organize a temperance group 165 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: to break up the bars of Enterprise, and as they 166 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: went out together the following morning to do so, they 167 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: were attacked once again by a group of four women 168 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: paid by Shilling that was the bar owner, and things 169 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: became really quite. Nation was beaten pretty brutally and some 170 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: of her hair was torn out. She feared for her life, 171 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: but when she implored the women around her for help, 172 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: they defended her and it finally ended the skirmish. Next up, 173 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: we will talk about how Carrie Nations started her own paper, 174 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: but first we're going to pause for a word from 175 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: a sponsor. After one of her later arrests and Topeka, 176 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: Carrie was bailed out of jail by a black man 177 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: named Nick Chiles. Chiles was a printer and a successful newspaperman. 178 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: He had been running his own paper called The Plain 179 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: Dealer for two years, and that paper actually went on 180 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: to become the longest running black newspaper in the US 181 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: until it shut down in Thanks to her acquaintance with Childs, 182 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: in March nineteen o one, Nation launched her own paper 183 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: from jail. It was called The Smasher's Mail, and she 184 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: started The Spencer in partnership with Chiles, who i mean, 185 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: this was kind of controversial, but his Child's rumored to 186 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: also own a saloon himself, and in her opening remarks 187 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: in the first issue, she wrote, quote, I have no 188 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: apologies to make in having Nick Childs, for the publisher 189 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: of the Smashers Mail, our Savior ate with publicans and 190 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: sinners to do them good. The servant is not above 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: his lord. This paper shall be as his name, the 192 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Smashers Mail. I shall put into the columns the letters 193 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: I get from all over, even those I get from 194 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: across the water. Those wishing to say anything through the 195 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: columns of the Smashers Mail must put it in the 196 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: form of a letter and use brevity the soul of wit. 197 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: For I reserve the exclusive right as editor. But despite 198 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: this positive and resolved tone of that first statement, the 199 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: business relationship between Nation and Childs soured almost immediately. She 200 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: claimed that he had cheated her out of money and papers, 201 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: and that after three weeks it was over. Yeah. So 202 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: she said that not only had he taken her writing 203 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: and basically you know, run off with it, but basically 204 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: he then published the paper and and made money off 205 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: of it, and she never got any of it. The 206 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Smashers Mail, though was not Carrie Nations only paper. She 207 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: would later go on to publish one called The Hatchet 208 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen o five and another titled The Home Defender. 209 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: And in these periodical she not only warned of the 210 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: dangers of drink and the importance of fighting for temperance, 211 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: she took up other causes and used her publications to 212 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: speak on those topics as well. She believed in women's suffrage, 213 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: saying that quote the loving moral influence of mothers must 214 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: be put in the ballot box. And she was vocally 215 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: against a variety of vices and sins, including tobacco. We 216 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that she hated it. She also spoke against 217 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: foreign food and scurts who were worn too short. She 218 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: was firmly against the corsets, believing that they were bad 219 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: for women's health, so she refused to wear one, and 220 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: she wrote about their perils in the paper, and her 221 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: writing also included advice about child rearing and homemaking. I 222 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: scarious devotion to the cause. It really consumed her life, 223 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: and with all of her times spent smashing saloons and 224 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: giving lectures, she became completely disconnected from her family. In 225 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: nine one David Nation filed for divorce, claiming cruelty and 226 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: desertion on the wife's part. He had warned her that 227 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: if she didn't come home, he would be filing papers, 228 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: and she had responded with quote, Mr, Nation, God has 229 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: given me a mission. I dare not turn back, shall I? 230 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: Hearkened unto God or unto man. But she really was 231 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: quite devastated when David followed through on his threat. She 232 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: felt that even though they as a couple rarely agreed 233 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: and they really didn't seem to have a particularly delightful marriage, 234 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: that they had been together for twenty four years and 235 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: she thought that they were never going to separate. And 236 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: she also knew that a divorce would undoubtedly make news 237 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: and as she put it, quote, would hinder my work. 238 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: And while the divorce trial did cause something of a 239 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: scandal in Medicine Lodge, it really didn't seem to slow 240 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: down Carrie's activism. And when writing her life story, she 241 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: used this moment in her life as a sort of 242 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: springboard of then go on for quite a while uh 243 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: and discuss all of the ways that men betray women. 244 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: In her second raid on Wichita, she adopted a hatchet 245 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: as her favorite means of destruction for her saloon rates, 246 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: and this became an iconic part of her story. When 247 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: a bartender approached her, she exclaimed, quote, don't come near 248 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: my hatchet. It might fall on you, and I will 249 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: not be responsible for the results. She was often photographed 250 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: while holding both her bible and her hatchet. She was 251 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: arrested once again in Wichita, but this time several of 252 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: her friends from the Temperance movement were arrested with her, 253 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: because again she at this point was not by herself 254 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: on most of these raids, and she actually described their 255 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: time in a holding cell there as very happy, saying quote, 256 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: this was one of the glorious, heavenly and refreshing times. 257 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: We're saying hymns repeated scripture. Would often laugh and cry 258 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: by turns for Joy to think we were worthy to 259 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: suffer for his sake. Throughout her career of smashings, which 260 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: she sometimes called hatgitations, she continued to tour around to towns, 261 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: usually after receiving a letter from someone requesting her help 262 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: to eliminate the saloons in a given location, and she 263 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: was arrested many many times. Was often found guilty of 264 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: some destruction of property or mischief charge. To pay for 265 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: her many fines, Nation turns to the lecture circuit and 266 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: to merchandise sales, and initially she actually turned down a 267 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: number of offers to appear in public, which were usually 268 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: proffered in exchange for assistance in getting her out of jail. 269 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: She believed that a lot of the people contacting her 270 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: just saw her as a mere curiosity or a freak 271 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: to exhibit, I think she said, like I would be 272 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: a white elephant to them. But eventually she was struggling 273 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: so completely for money that she did consider it, and 274 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: she prayed on it, and eventually she did indeed begin lecturing. 275 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: She never planned in advance what she was going to 276 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: say to a crowd, but she just relied on her 277 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: own experience and passion for the cause, and her faith 278 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: in God to carry her through. She brought in a 279 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: good income giving talks of temperance and eventually selling many 280 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: hatchets made of pewter. After she initially began selling the 281 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: souvenir hatchets, she came to believe them to be a 282 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: vitally important part of her cause, writing quote, the little 283 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: hatchets have been my faithful little defenders. They have paid 284 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: railroad fairs, hotel bills, they aided me and paying for 285 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: the home for drunkards wives. Besides, they are my little messengers. 286 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: They cause people to talk, to think, to act. Never 287 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: was there a greater advertisement of a great cause. God 288 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: has blessed the mission of the hatchet. I tell mothers 289 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: to get these little hatchets, put them on their boys 290 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: and girls clothes. With these hatchets goes the facts of 291 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: my life, which will be an inspiration to the heart 292 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: of the young. And she also sold souvenir photos of 293 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: herself always posed with her hatchet in her Bible. And 294 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: she reportedly brought in as much as three hundred dollars 295 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: per week from all these ventures, and in addition to 296 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: paying her finds and bail, she would use the money 297 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: to print her periodicals, though almost each time she started 298 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: when she would end up him to close up shop 299 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: because she simply could not manage her life on the 300 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: road and all of these smashings and the job of 301 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: editing a magazine. At the same time of her various 302 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: financial efforts, she wrote quote, I have made a lot 303 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: of money, tried to use it to further the cause 304 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: of the people. But I have made some sad failures 305 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: to get the results I paid for. Carrie Nation changed 306 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: the spelling of her first name from the I e 307 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: ending to the Y ending officially in nineteen o three, 308 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: and this was to create a play on words with 309 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: her middle initial and last name. So she became carry 310 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: a nation, as in carry a nation for prohibition U. 311 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: And that was according to her own logic. Yeah. She 312 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: would also use use her name in phrasing of like 313 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: carry a nation out of darkness, carry a nation, you know, 314 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: from slovenly drunkenness. She she used it in a lot 315 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: of different slogans. In nineteen o three. The eighteen fifty 316 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: four Temperance novel titled Ten Nights in a Bar Room 317 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: and What I Saw There was adapted as a vaudeville play, 318 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: and this time it incorporated Carrie Nation into it and 319 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: allowed her to tell her story. She started in the show, 320 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: and she took the part to spread the message of 321 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: prohibition more widely. As she once told a journalist quote, 322 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: people go to the theaters more than they do the churches. 323 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: And I want to go where there are plenty of 324 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: people to hear me and where they need me. Next up, 325 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: we will talk about Carrie A. Nations travels to Scotland 326 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: and England to share her feelings on temperance there. But first, 327 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: people take one more quick sponsor break. Carrie Nation made 328 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: waves across the Pond as well as in the United States, 329 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: touring Great Britain as a lecturer, and she met the 330 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: organizing secretary of Dundee, Scotland's Prohibition Party at a prohibition 331 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: convention in Ohio in and that was when he invited 332 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: her to come and speak in his home country. And 333 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: so they worked out all the particulars of financing, and 334 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: she started her tour in Dundee, but eventually she went 335 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: to several cities in Scotland before second leg of the 336 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: tour in England. Nation's writings as she experienced this other 337 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: culture are fairly amusing. She was horrified by the pubs 338 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: of Great Britain and she found the women there, in 339 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: her words, nervous. She wrote, I never saw such nervous 340 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: women in my life as they're in Britain. Their conversation 341 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: seems affected. Their voices are high and they use the 342 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: rising inflection. I believe the reason of this is the 343 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: tea drinking. Nearly every man, woman and child is a 344 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: tea fiend. In Britain. It is nothing for them to 345 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: drink three and four cups of tea at a meal. 346 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: They always use black tea. I don't know why. That 347 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: just cracked me up when I read it. Uh. Clearly 348 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: she saw it as almost as bad as alcohol. Uh 349 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: in some ways. Anyway, Nation wrote her autobiography, which we've 350 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: quoted a lot here, which is titled The Use and 351 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: Need of the Life of Carrie A. Nation in Night. 352 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: In this book actually made enough money that she was 353 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: able to use the proceeds to purchase a home in 354 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: Kansas City, Kansas, and that residence was a women's shelter. 355 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: It was a haven for those who had fled from 356 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: men with drinking problems. And for this and her other 357 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: work in the temperance movement, she was eventually given a 358 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: medal by the Woman's Christian Temperance Union, which celebrated her 359 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: as quote the bravest woman in Kansas. In nineteen ten, 360 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: she purchased another house to become a home for drunkards, 361 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: wives and children, this time in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. She 362 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: moved in there as well, and her grueling schedule of 363 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: the previous decade at this point had taken a really 364 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: serious toll on her health. In January nineteen eleven, Carrie 365 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Nation was at a speaking engagement in Eureka Springs when 366 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: she collapsed. She never fully recovered, and five months later 367 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: she died on June nine. She was sixty four at 368 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: the time and had not lived long enough to see 369 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: the eighteenth Amendment, which outlawed alcohol nationally, or the nineteenth Amendment, 370 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: which granted women the right to vote, passed. She was 371 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: buried next to her parents in Belton, Missouri. Of course, 372 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: prohibition failed, and it was ended in nineteen thirty three. 373 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: Had carry A Nation been alive to see this repeal, 374 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: she probably would have been livid and her eyes drinking 375 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: was a sin, and that condemned it thoroughly. She read 376 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: in her autobiography quote, there is not a lawful saloon 377 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: in the world. Law is as eternal and unchangeable as 378 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: God himself. Anything that is sinful cannot be lawful, and 379 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: anything that is lawful cannot be sinful. The saloon is 380 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: not lawful because it is sinful. Yet she had very 381 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: clear and unwavering opinions. So clearly, Carrie A. Nation was 382 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: a really complex woman. And while her motivations in many 383 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: cases may have been noble. We have to also address 384 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: some really problematic aspects of her story, notably her interactions 385 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: with black people. So as she became well known in 386 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: the temperance movement, she did become quite popular with black 387 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: temperance advocates, and many of them sent her small amounts 388 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: of money to help her cause or wrote testimony letters 389 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: of how their lives or the lives of loved ones 390 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: had been damaged by drink. In many ways, Carrie Nation 391 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: was very vocal about accepting and loving all people. I 392 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: mean she really did say all the time, like if 393 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: she believed everyone to be equal. But she also wrote 394 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: some really troubling things about black people and slavery. She 395 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: was raised largely by both black servants and enslaved people 396 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: that her parents owned, and she called them her aunties 397 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: and uncles and was quite attached to several of them, 398 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: so her writing about slavery consequently is really problematic. She 399 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: acknowledged that it was a bad thing, but then she 400 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: downplayed it all by writing quote, I would rather have 401 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: my son sold to a slave driver than to be 402 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: a victim of a saloon. And she wrote more on 403 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: race it is equally troubling. She saw, of course, that 404 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: this was a serious issue, and she understood that the 405 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: problem was that white people were afraid of black people 406 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: seeking equality. But then she cautions that black people shouldn't 407 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: want that anyway, as quote, it would be of no 408 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: real value to them. She advises that black people quote 409 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: should never depart from your race lines and bearings, keep 410 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: true to your nature, your simplicity and happy disposition, and 411 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: above all, come back to the old time religion. You 412 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: will never strand on that rock. Obviously, her stamps on 413 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: the matter was informed by the time she was living 414 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: in but the links that she goes to and justifying 415 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: her family's ownership of enslaved people and assuring the reader 416 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: that her father was one of the quote good slave owners, 417 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: indicate that she clearly understood that it was wrong. Yeah, 418 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: there's some really Her autobiography is available online in a 419 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: number of places. You can get it, you know, in 420 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of formats. There's even a free Kindle version 421 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: of it. And there's actually like a whole really upsetting 422 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: portion where she claimed that some of the enslaved people 423 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: that they had actually asked her father to beat their 424 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: children for them and like she says really upsetting things. Um, 425 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: and it's clear she doesn't to disparage her father, but 426 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: the things she's talking about are just horrifying. In seventy three, though, 427 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: as she had gained stable footing financially, Nation actually did 428 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: attempt to seek out one of the women who had 429 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: helped raise her, who was named Aunt Judy, and her 430 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: intent was to take care of her in her old age. 431 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: But when she traveled south to Texas at the time 432 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: where Judy had moved, Carrie discovered that the woman had 433 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: died six months earlier, and Judy's children actually told Carrie 434 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: Nation that Judy had hoped one day to live with 435 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: her again. So today Carrie Nations name Grace's a restaurant 436 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: slash bar. But I think they're I think they're online 437 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: thing calls themselves like a modern speakeasy. Sure, uh, it's 438 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: called Carrie Nations spelled with an I E. I've only 439 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: been there once. It is I would call it gleeful 440 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: in the fact that it is literally a bar named 441 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: after Carrie Nation, who would have smashed it up with 442 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: her hatchet. Yeah, I have to go next time I'm 443 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: in Boston, We're going there. Well, and I was glad 444 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: that you picked this episode because I I a friend 445 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: of mine had been going to take us there one 446 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: time and it turned out we just happened to be 447 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: there on it like they were closed. We were like, well, 448 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: we'll go somewhere else. Um. And then I was in 449 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: the same neighborhood a different time. We were looking for 450 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: something to eat one hole. Let's try this. Yeah. And 451 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: actually thank my friend Justin for that because he suggested 452 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: it because I was I had been looking at another 453 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: topic entirely and I was just running out of steam 454 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: and not finding things, and I was like, do you 455 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: have anything on your wish list? Has stuff? And he 456 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: mentioned it and then I started looking at her and 457 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we have to do her. Yeah, 458 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: she had gone on my list at that point after 459 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: having you know, sat there at the bar named after her. 460 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: So I was very glad when you picked her up. Yeah. 461 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: And the one thing throughout Carrie Nation's life that seemed 462 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: to be the constant through her failed marriages, her work 463 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: in the hotel business for smash sing, you know, her 464 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: failed attempts at teaching school and teaching in churches, and 465 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: her jail time was her religious faith and her belief 466 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: that she was above all an instrument of God. And 467 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: she actually made a note in her autobiography to call 468 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: out this fact, writing quote, note this reader that I 469 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: did not think of smashing God told me to do it. Yeah, 470 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: she's she is really fascinating, and I loved reading about 471 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: her in many ways, But there was part of me 472 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: that was, like, I'm so glad I never met this one. Yeah, 473 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: the whole time you were working on this, you would 474 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: you would uh, you would direct message me periodically with 475 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: like the latest troubling Yeah, yes, so cantankerous. But then 476 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: there's this part of me that feels I feel very 477 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: bad for her because I really think, like, because that 478 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: first marriage was so torn apart by alcohol, like it 479 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: kind of led her down this path where she was 480 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: never going to find true happiness, you know, Like her 481 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: life was always a struggle after that, And I think 482 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: part of it was that she was always struggling with 483 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: with what had happened. I mean, that's just me being 484 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: armchair psychiatrists, but well, yeah, and I feel bad that 485 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: she clearly had her very sort of cantankerous demeanor was 486 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: clearly like her wrestling with the world. Well and I 487 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: think sometimes the temperance movement is painted as a bunch 488 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: of busybody women who needed to mind their own business, um, 489 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: when in reality, there were a lot of women in 490 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: the temperance movement who were involved with it because they 491 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: were being abused by their husbands, um and like the 492 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: husbands would come home drunk and abuse them, or their 493 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: husbands had lost all of the family savings because they 494 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: were untreated alcoholics. Like that's like there were so many 495 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: women who for them, it was this this desperately personal thing, 496 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: needing to try to save their family basically. So it's 497 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: not really accurate to just be like these women couldn't 498 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: keep their nose out of other people in social habits. 499 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: Like that wasn't right. Yeah, yeah, it's ah, Like I said, 500 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: it's tricky. She's she's seen in very different lights by 501 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: different people with different perspectives. So that's care nation. She's 502 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: she's one of those food for thought people Like I 503 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: know I will be thinking about her for a long time. 504 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm thinking about now? Is it 505 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: listener mail? It is uh This listener mail comes from 506 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: us from our listener, Shelly. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, 507 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: she says, Happy summer, ladies. I discovered your podcast about 508 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: two years ago as I was getting ready to sell 509 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: our old house. During the long, horrible process of painting 510 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: and staging the house just to turn around and sell 511 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: it to someone else, I kept myself engaged with your podcast, 512 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: and I have been a fan ever since. I tend 513 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: to listen to your episodes in batches as I travel 514 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: for work, and I must admit that I'm a bit behind, 515 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: but I've had a couple of trips recently, so I'm 516 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: almost caught up. You continue to simultaneously entertain and educate, 517 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: a difficult balance, but you nail it. As an aside 518 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: by me, no one should feel like they have to 519 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: keep up. I don't keep up with all my podcasts. 520 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: If there when you're ready, she says. Next, my husband 521 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: and I are taking a trip to Europe in August 522 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: to celebrate our tenure anniversary. Happy anniversary. Let me say 523 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: that my husband has never been outside the country before, 524 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: so I'm excited to introduce him to so many awesome 525 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: things that the world has to offer for his first trip. 526 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: I picked pretty reliable cities from a tourist perspective. Cities 527 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: to have a little something for everyone. We're headed to 528 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: Nuremberg because beer, and then we have a stop or 529 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: two in northern France, ending in Paris. And Paris, as 530 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, is filled with such interesting history and architecture, 531 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: and I feel like you really can't go wrong there 532 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: with the first time international traveler. I would concur uh, 533 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: she says, I know from previous visits that Paris museums 534 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: are often closed one or more days during the week, 535 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: so I was doing a little planning ahead to find 536 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: out when a few places would be open, including the 537 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: Palace at Versailles. While I was on the website, I 538 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: noticed that they have an online exhibit called Fashion at Versailles. 539 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: I know how much Holly likes historical fashion, so I 540 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: thought I would let you know. It's they or I 541 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: have no idea how long it's been up, and you 542 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: may likely know about it already, but I wanted to 543 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: let you know in the off chance that you did not. 544 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: And she gives the link. We will share that on 545 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: our show. Notes I did not know about this. It 546 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: is amazing. I'll talk about it some more in a second. 547 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: She says, Well, I don't harbor an intense love for 548 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: fashion the online exhibit is stunning. They provide commentary around 549 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: fashion shown in many paintings, and you can click each 550 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: painting and zoom in to see the detail. For a 551 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: novice who knows nothing about fashion in history, it's very 552 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: interesting and the fashion is stunning. Although I have to 553 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: say the first picture in the her section, so this 554 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: site is laid out with a hymn and her so 555 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: that you see both like sort of the traditional male 556 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: and traditional female modes of dress. She says, the first 557 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: picture in the her section of the exhibit made me chuckle. 558 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: It starts out by talking about the simplicity of the 559 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: clothing for everyday life, and then the picture that illustrates 560 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: this concept shows Marie Antoinna in a silk robe with 561 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: a really full skirt and lace tram which, through the 562 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: modern lens, or at least my lens, is extremely ordinate 563 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: and definitely not simple. I literally laughed out loud when 564 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: I saw that. It was great. Just goes to show 565 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: that perspective is everything. Uh. And then she mentions that 566 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: she is also sharing the podcast with her daughter, who 567 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: is about to turn eight, so happy birthday to her, 568 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: and that she screens them first, since you know, those 569 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: are our younger ears, since some of our material maybe 570 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: a little too much. But uh, she is already noticing 571 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: that her daughter has a very strong interest in history 572 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: and that the podcast is something that they can do together. 573 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: So that is awesome, Kelly. I had no idea about 574 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: that website and now I'm in love with it. So 575 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: it's really really beautiful. Also, it circles back to another 576 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: podcast topic that we have done because it uses some 577 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: of the vision La portraits of Marianntoinette to illustrate the clothing, 578 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: and it really does break down like the elements of 579 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: the clothing what it means, Uh, you know why different 580 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: things were favored at different times. It is a really 581 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: amazing resource. So, like I said, we will have that 582 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: link in the show notes and it is gorgeous and 583 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: I can get lost in that site for a long time. 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