WEBVTT - Pound The Mound

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<v Speaker 1>No, she's she's motel to female, shut up, she's sheen

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<v Speaker 1>am me no may not my name? Yo yo yo?

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<v Speaker 1>What is your childe? Rama?

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<v Speaker 2>I am a cock chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>And while we're doing you know, shameless self promotion, Fran,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to tell the virgins about something you've

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<v Speaker 1>got going on this week? That's right?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for teeing up my shameless promotion. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it's not even promoting me, it's just promoting fun. This weekend,

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<v Speaker 3>July twenty ninth, I'm working with a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 3>cool trans people to organize this thing we're calling doll

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<v Speaker 3>Innovationion on Fire Island. So basically, we're taking over a

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<v Speaker 3>house in the island that has a pool and will

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<v Speaker 3>be how using one hundred percent trans people, And we're

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<v Speaker 3>inviting anybody in the Tristate anybody in the Tristate area

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<v Speaker 3>to come spend the day and have a place to

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<v Speaker 3>hang specifically for trans people. Trans people get in free.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh So, if you are cis gender and you want

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<v Speaker 3>to come, you will have to pay a door entry,

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<v Speaker 3>but you are also welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's going to he can How can virgins support

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<v Speaker 1>this endeavor if they're not going to actually attend.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's another really good question, Rose, Thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>all that. Wow, Am I am Like am I seated

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<v Speaker 3>on the tonight show right now? Like I feel so

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<v Speaker 3>cared for Yeah, you can check out the flyer on

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<v Speaker 3>my bio that has all of the details information, including

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<v Speaker 3>a sign up link. We need people to sign up

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<v Speaker 3>in order to get a head count. But yeah, we

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<v Speaker 3>are also still fundraising for this event. We're still trying

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<v Speaker 3>to pay accommodation costs. We're trying to cover like food

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<v Speaker 3>and drinks. We're trying to get transportation stipends for attendees.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you are an affluent gay who is really

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<v Speaker 3>passionate about trans issues or passionate about I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>gaycation destinations, you live on the island, or you just

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<v Speaker 3>like me, you can actually support this endeavor by sending

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<v Speaker 3>me money. All of the money goes to trans labor,

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<v Speaker 3>trans resources, everything for adult invasion. Anything that's over raised

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<v Speaker 3>is going to go to for the girls. And that

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<v Speaker 3>information is all on my Instagram. But basically you can

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<v Speaker 3>venmo me or paypeal me at friends wish goo or

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<v Speaker 3>zell me Ats or friends wish goo at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, And you can also do that if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy hetero. I'm sure we have oh right, some straight listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually, if you're sis hetero, you should donate more.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, can I complain really quickly just because we're here?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh ways, girl, I for this event, which I had

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<v Speaker 3>this the idea for this event last summer and it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't really get momentum until May, when I finally got

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of production partner to cover all of like

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<v Speaker 3>the ev AV equipment and stuff. But I have been

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<v Speaker 3>introduced personally to so many different persons of interest who

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<v Speaker 3>I was told would be interested in donating to this

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<v Speaker 3>like initiative.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So I've been.

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<v Speaker 3>Introduced to like venture capitalists, like millionaires, people married to millionaires,

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<v Speaker 3>people that own property on the island, like art collectors,

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<v Speaker 3>like people whose like whole thing is like to be wealthy,

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<v Speaker 3>and not a single one goals. Not a single one

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<v Speaker 3>of them donated, not one Like that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy, Well, that's because rich people hoard their wealth so

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<v Speaker 1>they could stay rich.

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<v Speaker 3>Actualations, there was actually a really there was a white

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<v Speaker 3>man who was very proud of himself for mailing me

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<v Speaker 3>a check for two hundred dollars. But like, aside from that,

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<v Speaker 3>all the other people who have funded this event have

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<v Speaker 3>been my friends. So thank you to my friends for

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<v Speaker 3>showing up. But also like, we don't want, like I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want just my friends to support this, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>get in touch, read all about it, and if you can,

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<v Speaker 3>okay shameless promotion.

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<v Speaker 1>Obah. Now it's time to talk about the name on

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's lips and that name is Barbenheimer. This is our

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<v Speaker 1>Barbenheimer episode in that in the back half of the

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<v Speaker 1>episode we will be talking specifically about Barbie, which we

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<v Speaker 1>both saw this weekend separately, and on the front half

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode, AKA right now, I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about Oppenheimer, which I saw this morning

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<v Speaker 1>at nine to fifteen am in Boca Raton, Florida. I

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<v Speaker 1>was in a movie theater with exclusively I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>people over the age of sixty love and me, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really to me, that is a safe space. It's

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<v Speaker 1>how I grew up, you know, surrounded by old people

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<v Speaker 1>in God's waiting room here in Florida. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the perfect experience to see that film, in

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<v Speaker 1>a film that I tried to get my grandpa to

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<v Speaker 1>come with me to see. And his response was, why

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<v Speaker 1>would I do that? I know how it ends, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>because he thinks that movies exist only to impart information

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<v Speaker 1>rather than to beat art and make you feel something.

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<v Speaker 1>So to him, the idea of going to a movie

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<v Speaker 1>that sought to recreate historical events was completely pointless, seeing

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<v Speaker 1>as how he has read about them in books. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the ending has been spoiled for him. Yeah, and even

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<v Speaker 1>if I said, if I mentioned spoilers, he would not

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<v Speaker 1>know what that was. Can I tell you?

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<v Speaker 3>Your grandpa kind of spilled because I also was just like,

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<v Speaker 3>I already know how it ends. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>see this, Like I might go see it, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm a Stebanista and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can get movies for quote unquote free.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was like your grandpa, I was just like, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need I don't know. I already know how

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<v Speaker 3>this ends. I don't need like the guy who made

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<v Speaker 3>the Adam baumb like humanized I guess. But ill, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really curious as to your experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think you'll like it. I mean, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, because it's three hours long and it is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of just men talking about stuff. But not

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite I I loved it. Yeah, it's so it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a good movie, it's so well made. It's it

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<v Speaker 1>really is like a collection of some of the most

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<v Speaker 1>famous actors in Hollywood, as well as like random people

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<v Speaker 1>who you're like, oh that guy, like literally one of

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<v Speaker 1>the one of the big bads from Buffy had a

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<v Speaker 1>minor role. You know. It's like that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of random like character actors and alongside

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<v Speaker 1>like Emily Blunt and Matt Damon, but they all everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has besides Killy and Murphy, you know, who is Oppenheimer

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<v Speaker 1>and who is the baby girl of this film. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else just kind of like comes in, does a scene

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<v Speaker 1>or two, and then you know, moves on like it's

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<v Speaker 1>an en piece. Yeah, but it's a great movie. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very sweeping well at the same time being very tight

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<v Speaker 1>on this man's story. It like is and is not

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<v Speaker 1>a biopic. It also is much more about It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just about the creation of the atom bomb. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>about the fallout from it and later in Oppenheimer's life.

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<v Speaker 1>He was tried is the wrong word, but he was.

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<v Speaker 1>There was sort of like a tribunal about his Communist ties,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is kind of the framing device of the film.

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<v Speaker 1>And those scenes are are like equally as tense as

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff about the the bomb. Lots of like random

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<v Speaker 1>people in there who have not like done anything in forever,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Josh Hartnett was in there, and Josh ha so hot.

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<v Speaker 2>But he.

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<v Speaker 1>Like also I think this Josh from Drake and Josh

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<v Speaker 1>is in it. No in a random role. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly well made. You know, Christopher Nolan is an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing director. It's beautiful to look at. The sound design

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<v Speaker 1>and the score are incredible. The acting is amazing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Killian Murphy slayed Robert Downey Junior, who is this figure

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<v Speaker 1>in in you find out like later in the film

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<v Speaker 1>in opposition to Oppenheimer, was incredible And I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 1>he's like out of the clutches of Marvel and is

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<v Speaker 1>making movies like this. Emily Blunt, you know, is not

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<v Speaker 1>given a ton to do because this is a Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>Nolan movie and women does not know how to write

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<v Speaker 1>women and doesn't really want them in his movies, but

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<v Speaker 1>he'll take them if he has to very him. But

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<v Speaker 1>she the stuff that she has is amazing. Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>one scene late in the film where she's called on

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<v Speaker 1>to be a witness in this like like quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>trial against Oppenheimer, and she's a drunk, like she's a

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<v Speaker 1>drunk mess, like swollen face like whatever. And you think

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<v Speaker 1>that this guy who's sort of like leading the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like prosecution is gonna like tear her to shreds. And

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<v Speaker 1>she fucking eviscerates him and it's incredible. Probably she will

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<v Speaker 1>definitely get nominated for.

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<v Speaker 3>Best Supporting Actress at the Oscars, and has she been

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<v Speaker 3>nominated already?

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<v Speaker 1>Would potentially win? Uh maybe maybe Phoebe you can fact

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<v Speaker 1>check that for us. By the stupid question, was there action? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the most action is when they test the bomb, which

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<v Speaker 1>is which like is the climax of the movie. But

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<v Speaker 1>then but then it happens, and then there's like another

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<v Speaker 1>hour of the movie which is much more about the Uh. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Blunt has never been nominated. I do think this

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<v Speaker 1>will be. She will absolutely be nominated for this. Florence

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<v Speaker 1>Pugh is also really great in this. She has two

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<v Speaker 1>very weird sex scenes with Killian Murphy. It's really strange,

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<v Speaker 1>but it works. Killian Murphy his eyes are so blue,

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<v Speaker 1>his waist is so snatched. I actually don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about Killian Murphy. He is an Irish actor with

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<v Speaker 1>eyes as blue as the sea and as lips that

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<v Speaker 1>look like they have had at least a full syringe

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<v Speaker 1>of juvenile pumped into that said, how we like them?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah? Period. It also, I mean, when we

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<v Speaker 1>start talking about Barbie, like I will I think there

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<v Speaker 1>is something to be said about you know, not only

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<v Speaker 1>are these two movies where they released on the same day,

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<v Speaker 1>but they both kind of are about this thing that

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<v Speaker 1>was introduced to the world and like irrevocably changed it

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<v Speaker 1>for good or evil. Oppenheimer reckons with that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more than I think Barbie does ultimately. Well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, probably.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, actually I haven't seen Oppenheimer, but when we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about Barbie, let me tell you the whole movie

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<v Speaker 3>was about critiquing Barbie, which I thought was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I will, we'll get to it. I don't. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it's successfully critique. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>presents questions without actually answering them. Yeah, but Oppenheimer Slade,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I would ever watch it again.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really really enjoyed it, and it did not

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<v Speaker 1>feel overly long. I did not get up to pee

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I was really fascinated. You know, it's not perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's really really fucking good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, just really glad that you saw the movie

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<v Speaker 3>so that we don't have to have to at all.

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<v Speaker 3>That is really like such a public service you're seeing

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<v Speaker 3>it for people around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Rows that is a service I am happy to provide.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I wasn't sure I was gonna see it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad I did, much like I wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to watch the new season of Real

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<v Speaker 1>Housewives of New York City. Oh yeah, and I have,

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<v Speaker 1>so I am I'm glad I did because I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, can we talk about this, Like what I really

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<v Speaker 3>actually when we texted about it, I really didn't think

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<v Speaker 3>you were going to watch it?

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<v Speaker 1>So what pushed you over the edge. Well, I'll tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>fran I am in Florida in my mom's house and

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<v Speaker 1>there's cable TV and nothing else to do. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only circumstances that could have gotten me to

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<v Speaker 1>watch it. So now I'm locked in at least for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple episodes until I inevitably get bored. So I

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<v Speaker 1>really like the New Roney Girls so far. Obviously Jenna

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<v Speaker 1>Lyons is mother but also mommy. I'm like really attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to her.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's hot, she has hot vibes, hot energy, swagger, She's.

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<v Speaker 1>I need her shoe closet. That is my goal in life.

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<v Speaker 1>I came when that came.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, actually, like having a transcendental experience looking

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<v Speaker 3>at her shoe closet.

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<v Speaker 1>I also really like Brinn, who's the one whose tagline

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<v Speaker 1>is like mess with me and I'll fuck your dad.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the one that's behind this kind of cheesegate thing

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<v Speaker 3>that's happening right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Is yes, yes, cheesegate. Well, you know, it is crucial

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<v Speaker 1>for every Real Housewives franchise to have a some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of altercation that is so minor and stupid, but the

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<v Speaker 1>repercussions of which ripple throughout the season and possibly entire

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<v Speaker 1>run of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's very possible that what has now transpired in

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<v Speaker 3>Cheesegate is something that will be relevant for seasons to come.

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<v Speaker 3>Will Yeah, so we'll drive the drama forward for maybe

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<v Speaker 3>five seasons of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I really hated it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that Ronie has is like always about like Ronnie,

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<v Speaker 3>and also just all Real Housewives are really good at

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<v Speaker 3>manufacturing stupid, stupid plot lines, and I think that's part

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<v Speaker 3>of the fun, right that like, these women are fighting

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<v Speaker 3>about something as stupid as a cheeseboard. But for the

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<v Speaker 3>premiere and for what should be a entry point to

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<v Speaker 3>all of these women, I did wish there was just

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<v Speaker 3>like something a little more concrete, And I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>saying this, and I'm curious on your thoughts. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be saying this if I didn't see from the preview

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<v Speaker 3>that there really isn't that much drama to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Either.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we don't know. We only see what they have

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<v Speaker 1>chosen to show us. But you know, I think part

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem is that two of the women don't drink,

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<v Speaker 1>as they reveal in the second episode, and we know

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<v Speaker 1>that another thing you need to have a successful Real

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<v Speaker 1>Housewives franchise is a bunch of alcoholics. Yea, they all

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<v Speaker 1>are too, are actually drinking. You know, Uba, who I

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<v Speaker 1>also really like, said in the second episode that she

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't drank for years because she like kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>a problem with it when she was younger, and I

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<v Speaker 1>found myself being like, well, maybe you should pick that

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<v Speaker 1>problem back. No, I would never I would never wish

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<v Speaker 1>that on anyone. I think one of the other women

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<v Speaker 1>even said like, I can't imagine, like Uba is already

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to handle sober, I can't imagine what she

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<v Speaker 1>would be like with a couple drinks in her And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, I am imagining it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it would be a sligh, but it would be

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<v Speaker 1>slay you. I support her in her journey.

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<v Speaker 3>So you didn't watch the most the most recent Ultimate

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<v Speaker 3>Girls Trip, which was maybe my favorite Ultimate Girls Trip

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<v Speaker 3>out of all the Ultimate Girls Trips, and I've watched

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<v Speaker 3>all of them. But there is a really funny kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like plot line slash tiff between Heather and Leah

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<v Speaker 3>Remini the other the Fire, not.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah Remini, Lea that is that is a different person,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the that is the girlie who left Scientology, Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>King of Queens. Wait, who is Leah Leah? What's her face?

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<v Speaker 2>Leah?

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<v Speaker 1>Just Leah her last Yeah, So between.

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<v Speaker 3>Leah Remini, I don't even know who that is.

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<v Speaker 1>So between Heather and Leah, it's actually.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually Remeny Remeny and still not who she is, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So between Leah and Heather, the basically like Heather doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>really realize that Leah is like an actual alcoholic alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think Leah just says at one point like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't drink or something, and so Heather was like,

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<v Speaker 3>literally to the other girls when Leah is not present,

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<v Speaker 3>Heather's like, let's get her to drink yeah, let's like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get her to be fun like she should be

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<v Speaker 3>drinking like and then Lea comes sure. The producers were

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<v Speaker 3>also yeah, yeah, and then they were like well and

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<v Speaker 3>then Lea comes in. She was like that would ruin

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<v Speaker 3>my life, like what like, but also it would be

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<v Speaker 3>good TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so great TV. Back to Ronnie, this is very important.

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<v Speaker 3>Phoebe has dropped in the chat that Bethany Frankel is

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<v Speaker 3>calling for reality stars to unionize. Any thoughts, any commentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they should. Everyone should unionize. That's true. Everyone support

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<v Speaker 1>We should put we support any and all unions here

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<v Speaker 1>and like, okay, follow up question, when the Real Housewives unionize,

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<v Speaker 1>is it like each franchise gets like a strike captain

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<v Speaker 1>And if so, which wife from each franchise is the

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<v Speaker 1>strike captain of each union? I actually don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>any of them could be trusted with that kind of responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think that someone like Heather Gay would

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<v Speaker 1>want to be the strike. She would want to be

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<v Speaker 1>the strike. No one would ever want to listen to her,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would probably end up being like Bethany from

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<v Speaker 1>Old Roney.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, yeah, it would be a Bethany Bethany

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<v Speaker 3>kind of situation. Yeah, there are no housewives that really

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<v Speaker 3>have their shit together in that way. Jillson actually, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>Jill Zaren would be an amazing strike captain, and she

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<v Speaker 3>does have Fran Dresher energy, so that actually does work

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<v Speaker 3>really well. Okay, So on the total refresh of Ronnie,

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<v Speaker 3>you said you have two housewives just like feelings in general.

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<v Speaker 1>Three I like, I like Uba Brynn and and Jenna Jenna.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I obviously lashed on a Jenna. I said to

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<v Speaker 3>you when we chated on the phone that like seeing

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Jenna Lyons on TV is like watching footage of the

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<v Speaker 3>Luckness Monster. Like, it's so wild to behold her on televisihow,

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<v Speaker 3>She's so weird. She's such an anomaly. She's so massively

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<v Speaker 3>successful in a way that most people aren't, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>most people haven't really heard of her, Like I think

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<v Speaker 3>New Yorkers are the only people that.

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<v Speaker 1>Know who she is. She's like a very if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of celebrity exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think she likes it that way, which

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<v Speaker 3>is why I'm so surprised that she's doing something so

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<v Speaker 3>radically out.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, she doesn't like it that way. She clearly wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be more famous. You don't go on housewives if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to be famous. No, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be famous.

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<v Speaker 3>She there really is no housewife like Jenna, Like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know a whole lot of housewives that are just

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the road. Like she's stable, she seems like rational,

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<v Speaker 3>she seems like a full.

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<v Speaker 1>Human, but she also has some darkness, you know. In

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<v Speaker 1>the second episode, she opens up about her mom, who

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<v Speaker 1>had Aspergers and is kind of the reason why she's

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<v Speaker 1>a little stilted and cold. She also talked about being

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<v Speaker 1>outed by The New York Post when she had first

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<v Speaker 1>started dating women. I forgot about that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so she definitely has some demons and she's a freak.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a freaking I listened to that song at the

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<v Speaker 1>gym the other day five times in a row. That's

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<v Speaker 1>too many times, No, but it really got me going.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got the blood moving.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what like my blood moving. Like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been listening to the Barbie soundtrack. I know we're

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<v Speaker 3>getting there, but like.

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<v Speaker 1>So, do you want to do you want to hear? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>what's on my gym playlist currently? Oh? Yes, please? It is,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not a playlist girl, but at the gym

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<v Speaker 1>I really need bops too. This is not all bops,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a very weird collection of things that I added,

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<v Speaker 1>like two songs to a playlist, and then I just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of added the things that were suggested. So right

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<v Speaker 1>now my gym playlist is Rush by Troy Sevon Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>speed Drive from Barbie Okay, Grapefruit by Tablow or Tu

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<v Speaker 1>Below Minute by Kim Petris, runners Hi by Mona World

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<v Speaker 1>Class Center, Slash, I'm a Freak from the idol PADM

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<v Speaker 1>Padam We Know Angel from the Barbie album, which is

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorites from the Barbie album, the Pink

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<v Speaker 1>Panther song He Did by Beyonce, I Can See You

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<v Speaker 1>by Taylor Swift, Catwalk by Route Ball and then Scott

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<v Speaker 1>and then a surprise Choose Your Fighter by Ava Max,

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<v Speaker 1>also from the Barbie soundtrack. I do not like Ava Max,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do think that the song sounds exactly like

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<v Speaker 1>the two other songs of hers that I've heard, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's good.

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<v Speaker 3>I am learning right here and now that Ava Max

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<v Speaker 3>was on the Barbie soundtrack and I had no idea

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<v Speaker 3>because I have her muted on Spotify.

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<v Speaker 1>I have her muted on Twitter. I have the words

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<v Speaker 1>the phrase Ava Max muted on Twitter while we're here. Honestly, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say like, I also have Rush on my

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<v Speaker 1>gym kind of like repeat on repeat recently. Look, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no shame in the rush aissance or whatever it is

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a soance. It was never It can't be

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<v Speaker 3>a zonce if it if it is a new thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The girls are treating it like a son's.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're talking about. This song is

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<v Speaker 1>a bop.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the little vocal chorus part like would

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<v Speaker 3>be better not on the chorus that said Rush is on.

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<v Speaker 3>I am also listening to the Barbie soundtrack. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the du I didn't like the Dua Lipa song at first,

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<v Speaker 3>and now I think I like it. I also wake

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<v Speaker 3>up to the opening Lizzo song every day.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lizo song is really good and really funny, so

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 1>it's especially funny in the movie, but it's it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first Lizo songs that I actually kind of like.

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<v Speaker 3>And it sorry not to get into well, well, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>get into Barbie stuff later, but I was just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>say Revelations from the Kimpetres New Kimpetres album I thought

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<v Speaker 3>was good. I also love Minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Minutes, the only one that I liked when I gave

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<v Speaker 1>the album a very cursory listen. I'm sure Kim Petris

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to be on the Barbie's oundtrack, but she's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we are talking about Barbie. We both have seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's time to finally get into the

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<v Speaker 1>Barbie of it all, don't you. Friend. Yeah, I'm literally

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot contain my takes. I know I've been waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to hear. I'm so I we okay, virgins. Just to

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<v Speaker 1>be really honest, we did talk briefly about Barbie yesterday

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>on the phone, so I do kind of know your

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>high level thoughts about it. But we have not gotten

0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>into the minutia. And that's what we're going to do today,

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 1>and we're not going to do what I saw a comment, Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>I was recently reading through our our reviews on Apple podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them said that we never actually discuss

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>pieces of culture. We only say whether we think actors

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 1>and TV shows are hot, and then never give any

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>substantial criticism about them. So we're not going to do

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:49.360
<v Speaker 1>that today. Well, and that's not even a real thing

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.360
<v Speaker 1>that we do. Who wha wha wha wha wha woa,

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>back up, back up, back up.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, that's a completely defamatory thing to say

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 3>about our podcast. We talk a lot about how hot

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 3>actors are, yes, okay, but that.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a whole We have a suckometer for it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a suck ometer, low dometer, low dometer, lodometer,

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>low dometer. I'm so sorry, Well we need a sucknometer too.

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<v Speaker 3>But listen, do not come to this podcast for salient

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 3>journalistic like like perfectly executed criticism. Like I know that

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 3>I like coseplay as a critic, but like, look, we're

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 3>not critics. We're friends talking about culture in normal ways,

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.360
<v Speaker 3>and you are listening to us like on your commute

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 3>or like in your car or like whatever, and you

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 3>get to pass the time with that, and if you

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 3>don't like it, you can get the fuck out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I do not consider myself a critic. I don't really.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say I don't believe in criticism,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I definitely believe criticism has its place in art,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not here to offer up a sort of intellectual,

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<v Speaker 1>rualized critique of media. I'm always thinking about things as

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<v Speaker 1>a consumer, as someone who loves and consumes a lot

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of pop culture, and also to do. And we want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about people whose loads we want to take.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, both we can give a salient critique and also

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<v Speaker 3>talk about taking someone's load. Thank you very much, And

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<v Speaker 3>let me tell you the duality of tran. Yes, sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>the duality of tran is that sometimes we do actually

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<v Speaker 3>make really great critiques. But like, our job is not

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<v Speaker 3>to critique. Our job is to just like be interesting

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.880
<v Speaker 3>while we talk podcast. Yeah, so that you have something

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<v Speaker 3>to do in your spare time, You're welcome and it's free,

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 3>and fuck that person anyway, Barbie, let's talk about Barbie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very interested to see if the premise of the

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<v Speaker 1>show is true and that we will have the exact

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<v Speaker 1>opposite take about this movie and almost every part of it. So, Fran,

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>what did you think? I loved it? I loved this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a perfect movie.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of things in its execution where

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was like, I don't know about that,

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 3>but like, overall, ten out of ten, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>nominated for Oscars. I think it's Greta Gerwig's best movie,

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:19.400
<v Speaker 3>extremely controversial take, and I did not stop having fun,

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 3>did not stop having fun. And I think that that

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<v Speaker 3>was really that was a surprise for me because I

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<v Speaker 3>just like went into this movie expecting it to disappoint

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 3>me because there's been so much hype, right, There's been

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<v Speaker 3>so much chat at this point about the movie. I

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 3>was like, this movie has marketing, yes, so much marketing,

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, this movie has no choice but

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<v Speaker 3>to fail because I don't trust that Mattel can actually

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<v Speaker 3>start an interesting conversation around Barbie or even like make

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 3>it entertaining. And I also was thinking the movie would

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 3>be more for kids, which it wasn't. I actually think

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 3>it's very explicitly for kids. But we'll discuss. Did you

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<v Speaker 3>see the PG version or the PG thirteen version, because

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<v Speaker 3>there are two different kinds of screenings. No, I saw

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<v Speaker 3>the PG thirteen version. You're like, I'm sure I saw

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 3>the PG thiry. Okay, so that's definitely not for kids.

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Definitely not for kids, Diva. But anyways, Okay, what did

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<v Speaker 3>you think, Rose?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was great. I had a lot of fun.

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>I was not as bad as I expected to be.

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>I know me, you know that I am really here

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 1>to mostly enjoy things, like for the most part, I

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<v Speaker 1>think some of the difference between you and I is

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<v Speaker 1>that you kind of go into things expecting not to

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<v Speaker 1>like them, and I really want to just have fun,

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 1>And especially a movie like this that is such a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>like a summer blockbuster. I was really primed to have

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking blast and love it, and you didn't love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I I didn't love it. I really liked it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did not love it. It was not as funny

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<v Speaker 1>as I thought it would be. I did not laugh

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<v Speaker 1>alloud a lot. Wow. I thought a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what do you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 1>social commentary or sort of you know, like feminist perspective

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<v Speaker 1>of it was very defanged. I thought it presented, as

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<v Speaker 1>I said before, like presented a lot of ideas and

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<v Speaker 1>asked a lot of questions without ever really trying to

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<v Speaker 1>answer them. And I actually thought some of the performances

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<v Speaker 1>were very underwhelming, specifically Margo robi What yeah, I think

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Margot Robbie in a movie called Barbie was basically second

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<v Speaker 1>fiddle to Ken, and that was kind of one of

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<v Speaker 1>my major problems is that Ken was the star of

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<v Speaker 1>this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I wow, I was so I was so buckled in

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 3>for all of that, but that last bit really threw me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I fundamentally disagree. But I don't want to start

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<v Speaker 3>with what we disagree about. Actually, let's start with what

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<v Speaker 3>we Let's start with something that we really agree on.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say my kind of the only thing that

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<v Speaker 3>I really did not love about the movie was what

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I felt was a very ham fisted hammering of the

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<v Speaker 3>feminist messaging. That this movie is like staked too right,

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 3>Like I I don't feel as you feel that it

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 3>was quote unquote defanged, Like I think that there were

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 3>definitely there's definitely a flattening of feminist ideas that happened

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<v Speaker 3>on screen in order for it to be more accessible

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>or for to make more sense. But I think that

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 3>there are many extremely kind of radical ideas about feminism

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<v Speaker 3>introduced in this movie, even if they are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like sneaky on the side, Like saying that like men

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<v Speaker 3>should be like extracted from siss society and made into

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<v Speaker 3>like a subservient population that is like feeding the dolls

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. Like that is like there's something about that

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<v Speaker 3>that's like kind of radical. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>elements about the anti manness that a lot of conservative

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 3>presses is a lot of conservative press are saying like

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.479
<v Speaker 3>this is so anti man, this is so anti man.

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, like yeah, it is, like and like

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Lord of the Rings is anti woman, Like yeah, like

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 3>these like movies can be movies can have points of view,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't I don't think that Greta Gerwig was

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there being like, this movie's going to be so

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 3>anti man. But girl, all of the monologues we got,

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 3>we got so many fucking monologues about women's empowerment, and

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 3>it's like one of them would have really hit home

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 3>for me, Like they were all good, but like I

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 3>only needed one and I was like, at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the day, the feminist elements of the movie that

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<v Speaker 3>I actually enjoyed were the jokes, like feminism jokes, But

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that I didn't enjoy were the lectures when

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:00.239
<v Speaker 3>I felt like I was being told too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Obviously I loved America Ferrera's monologue about womanhood.

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<v Speaker 3>Which he helped write apparently, but also.

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<v Speaker 1>Greta Gerwig has already done that in Little Women. Yeah,

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>so it is a little bit copy paste, even though

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it's presented in a new way. And I guess some

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<v Speaker 1>of what I feel about it is like they put

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<v Speaker 1>so much obvious feminism in social commentary in the movie

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<v Speaker 1>so that there did not need to be up a

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>much deeper reckoning with those ideas, and that in presenting

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<v Speaker 1>them in their most bombastic and spectacular way, that that

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>was enough. And I get it, Like this is a

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<v Speaker 1>kid's movie again, Like I know that we want to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that this was made for us, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>a children's movie, and so the ideas in it are

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>present and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. But

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is that the ideas that are presented in

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<v Speaker 1>it are presented in a way that children can understand,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why they are somewhat simple. And so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying I went into this movie looking for a

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 1>radical presentation of feminism and so I wasn't disappointed by

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<v Speaker 1>not getting one. And I actually think the parts of

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>this film that are most transgressive are I'm not joking

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.959
<v Speaker 1>when I say that I think this is a trans movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to look further than the ending line,

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 1>which some people might have grown at it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think is pretty fucking punk. The movie ends with Barbie

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 1>going to her guy acologist. I that is fucking sick girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we talk about that. Actually, I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>ask you about the last line.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so you loved it. I'm glad you I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I love the scene. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>so funny. I loved the scene where Barbie told the

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>construction workers that she didn't have a vagina and Ken

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a penis. Yeah, so funny. They are canonically

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 1>a tea for tea couple. And then I loved the

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<v Speaker 1>Barbie is a trans woman like she is. She is

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.879
<v Speaker 1>a she is a D to F trans woman, trans

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 1>she's a P she's plastic to female, she's P to F.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's just got a little mound down there. Okay, No,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you like the last line. I thought the

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<v Speaker 3>resolution of the movie was maybe where I felt like

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<v Speaker 3>it was the most this oversimplification thing that you're talking

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 3>about is very true, and I felt like in the

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 3>resolution of the movie, I was like the existentiality and

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 3>the like the the element of the of it where

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 3>it's like no life goes on and dolls are forever

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 3>and so you can be forever, and I thought that

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:51.760
<v Speaker 3>was really cool. Like that I think worked, but the way.

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>That profound but also but also this is the thing.

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's this movie is both profound and vague at the

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>it is it is like the rules of this world

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:11.720
<v Speaker 1>are so unspecified, and that's fine. I love fantasy movies

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>or fantastical movies where you never fully understand the rules

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of how the world works. Like I liked that, you know,

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>the guys from the boardroom could roller skate into Barbieland

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and we didn't really need to know the mechanics of it.

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Or Barbie could like sit on a bench and have

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a vision and we didn't really ask questions about why

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>she was able to do that, or she was able

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>to turn into a human and we don't really need

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to understand how that happened. But yet those things happen

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>and we're supposed to see them as being incredibly profound

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and meaningful, but how we got there is like kind

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>of a blur. So I do think that takes away

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>a bit from how impactful they can be. So it's

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.720
<v Speaker 1>a little bit paradox to me. Yeah, no, I agree.

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 3>The movie is all at once oversimplified and incredibly complex.

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 3>I respond to maximalism. I respond to a lot of

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 3>ideas and a plethora of ideas as opposed to like

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 3>a dearth of ideas or a movie that is trying

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 3>too hard to be safe. Which is part of why

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I just yes love the word dearth. And that's part

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 3>of the reason why I really really love this movie

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 3>is I was just like, maximalism is like subjectively my tea,

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 3>and so I was just having so much fucking fun

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.399
<v Speaker 3>throughout this movie. But I wonder if I can kind

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 3>of I really fucking love this movie, and I'm gonna

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 3>go see it again. And I wonder, honestly, when you

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 3>go see it again, because I think you might too.

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to say I really want to see

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>it again, because I think a lot more could be

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>gleaned from a second, closer viewing of it, because I'm

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 1>sure there was stuff that I missed, stuff that will

0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 1>hit better or different on the second viewing. And maybe

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 1>once I'm past the initial reaction of seeing this thing

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that we all have been waiting and waiting for and

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:13.399
<v Speaker 1>anticipating for so long, like, maybe I'll appreciate it more

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>as much as I didn't like the quote unquote feminism

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>of this movie. It's depiction of womanhood and especially the

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:32.399
<v Speaker 1>stuff that it did around mothers and daughters, even though

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>like that is another place where it was like very

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>specific and very vague at the same time, because it's like, yes,

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.240
<v Speaker 1>we get that, there's this whole thing about Ruth Handler

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.879
<v Speaker 1>creating Barbie and now she's Barbie's mother, and Barbie takes

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 1>her daughter's name when she goes in the real world,

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and like Rio Pearlman has that great line that like

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>mother stands still so their daughters can look back and

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 1>see how far they've come. Like that's a beautiful line,

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 1>but at the same time, it's like that's not what

0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:00.160
<v Speaker 1>the whole movie's about. It's kind of like shoehorn In

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 1>in the last act a bit. But I did really

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 1>like it. And I saw this movie with my mom

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and that was a really beautiful experience. And my mom

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>loved this movie. And she was very lukewarm about seeing it.

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:15.360
<v Speaker 1>She was like, yeah, I'll see it, but like I

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>don't really care, and she loved it, and it was like,

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 1>actually really nice to see it with her. And you know,

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Greta Gerwig makes does great storytelling around mothers and daughters.

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:28.280
<v Speaker 1>And actually, when my mom and I left the movie,

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>we were in the car and she was pulling out

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 1>and she looked over and me and she went, aren't

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you so happy that you're a woman?

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 3>And like that was that was very good, good, that's

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:38.760
<v Speaker 3>so cute.

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:08.479
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe this movie is more profound for women

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 1>of my mom's generation, who are somewhat in between the

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>time when Barbie was introduced and the world we live,

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean kind of directly between the time when Barbie

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 1>was created and where we are now, and the women

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>who really are kind of standing still in the middle

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:32.319
<v Speaker 1>of those two polar opposite sides of womanhood. So I did,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I did really appreciate that. And then, of course, like

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate this film on a technical level, it was

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>beautiful to look at. I loved how much you know,

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>practical work went into this, Like all this done own

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 1>stage stuff was beautiful. Barbie Land was beautiful. The costumes

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 1>were amazing and so fun.

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 3>Like the fact that there's like no water, like there's

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.959
<v Speaker 3>no like liquids, right, there's no ocean because you can't

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 3>put that on dolls, and like they're they're feet, the

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 3>flat feet, Like there's so many things where it's like

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.839
<v Speaker 3>cinematic invention, Like just like you, the world building, they

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 3>made me like so happy. Step by step by step,

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 3>it's like every it's like it wasn't enough for us

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 3>to get this huge induction of Barbie World, which was

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 3>so rich. There was so much going on, but like

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 3>throughout the whole film there were these litter reveals that

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:26.879
<v Speaker 3>it's just like, oh yeah, and the Barbie also has

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 3>these like this, these are these ar chibal fashion moments

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 3>which I thought were so cool where they like not.

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:36.440
<v Speaker 1>The palazzos, not the palazzos, so funny, so many my

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 1>favorite line of the movie.

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 3>But then Harry NEETs screaming flat Feet was definitely one

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 3>of my favorite.

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 1>It was great. So a lot of the references to

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 1>older Barbies, the jokes about Midge were really funny, and

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>they showed earring Magic Ken. Yes, I loved Earring Magic

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Ken and Sugar's Daddy and obviously we love we love Alan.

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Alan is a king? What's Alan on the lodometer? I

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:09.840
<v Speaker 1>would suck I would suck Alan. Okay, so he doesn't

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>have genitalia, so right, but but you know what, I

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 1>tweeted that Alan would be ass up in the mojo

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.959
<v Speaker 1>dojo Costa house, and someone replied saying that he doesn't

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 1>have genitalia. You know, those barbies can, as I know

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>from experience, you can rub their you know, sort of

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>like weird blobby genitals against each other and can't make

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>magic happen.

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 3>You can pound the mound, so to speak. There were

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 3>certain you're like, I'm not gonna acknowledge that I do.

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Like pound the mound. I there were things that I

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>wanted more of, Like I loved Helen Mirren's breaking the

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 1>fourth wall joke about Margot Robbie, like that was GREATA

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I actually think good. I actually think there should have

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>been more Helen mirren narration. Yeah, you're gonna if you're

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of just device use it more and actually use

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 1>that to give us more of a window into what

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Barbie's thinking as she's trying to grow, because that's the thing.

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Besides a couple moments where Margot Robbie has like a

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:11.800
<v Speaker 1>single tear or whatever, I found her performance at times

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 1>to be very opaque and like I didn't really understand

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 1>what was going on beneath the surface. And I think

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 1>part of that is because she's literally playing a doll.

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:25.800
<v Speaker 1>But you know, Barbie is she's like the with the

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Ken of it all. Like Barbie is the she's the

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>straight woman in her movie. Yeah, and Ken is the

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.439
<v Speaker 1>one who gets to have all the fun. M Yeah,

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 1>that is kind of that is kind of it. There

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 1>was some fun for Barbie, you know, like I but I.

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to find common ground in what you're saying,

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 3>because I really I feel like she was perfect for

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 3>this role. I feel like there is a vacuousness and

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:57.839
<v Speaker 3>an emptiness to her and her performance that worked really well.

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't necessarily I didn't feel that there was an imbalance.

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 3>I know a lot of people actually feel like there

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 3>was this kind of like fight between the two leads

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 3>of the film. I honestly was so focused on the ensemble.

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really feel like the movie had much of

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:16.399
<v Speaker 3>a primary character. It's just that Barbie was like kind

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 3>of the what everything was orbiting around, like the epicenter.

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.400
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I will agree with you that there.

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 3>There are moments where Margo Robbie sometimes just plays the

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 3>same shtick over and over again when she needs to

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 3>be something of a cartoon that lacks that like added

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 3>layer like what she does in Ititanya is like like

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 3>to me her one hundred and ten percent, like she's

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 3>so fucking layered and there's so much going on with

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 3>her in Ititania, but something like Birds of Prey, I

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.760
<v Speaker 3>was like, you're just it's like line delivery, line delivery,

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 3>line delivery, line delivery, really weird voice and accent like,

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:00.319
<v Speaker 3>and I feel distracted, and maybe, like with Barbe, it's

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 3>like there's more acting in like the caricature of Barbie

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 3>than there is actually like in the acting.

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't mad at that.

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 3>I never there wasn't a moment really during the movie

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:14.320
<v Speaker 3>where I felt like Margot wasn't really delivering. But I

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.879
<v Speaker 3>will agree that she didn't really feel like the lead,

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 3>so to speak. And I don't mind that, no.

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:24.359
<v Speaker 1>I I guess I was expecting more. And I think

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe this might just be a Margot Robbie thing, because

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I am looking back on other performances of hers, and

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that she's ever gagged me on screen,

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 1>like I do like her as Harley Quinn and I

0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:39.319
<v Speaker 1>liked the Harley Quinn movie. But even there, I don't

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.759
<v Speaker 1>think she's necessarily like the best part of that movie.

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember Ititania? Yeah, I mean Ititanya. She's she's goods.

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it in a while. She's so good

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 1>in that movie. I don't know, but I think it's

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not that she was bad, it's that Ryan Gosling

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>was just so good, yeah, and was given so much

0:45:56.840 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>more to work with fine that she was just a

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>little overshadowed. And also the part that is the part

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>of the movie where I guess she does her most growing,

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 1>which is when she's in the human world, was kind

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.760
<v Speaker 1>of my least favorite part of the movie. I actually

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 1>think the second act of this film is its weakest part.

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:28.839
<v Speaker 3>I m okay, I will say so okay, Barbie World

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.360
<v Speaker 3>to human world. It was bound to happen. The parts

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.399
<v Speaker 3>of like the kind of human worlds that I did

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:36.839
<v Speaker 3>like in the second half the movie was everything at

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Mattel Like I thought Will Ferrell. I thought everything was

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 3>perfectly cast. I thought the whole ensemble was so perfectly

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 3>cast to from like, you know, fucking from Ruth to

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 3>Helen Mirren to Lizzo doing the opening song to Will

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Ferrell doing Mattel like. I just thought every every like

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.359
<v Speaker 3>time after time again, I was like, yes, that's exactly.

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Who should be doing this.

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 3>But I think with the will feral stuff, I was

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 3>really shocked, And part of why I really loved the

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 3>movie was by how surprised I was by the lengths

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 3>at which a corporation was willing to make fun of itself,

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.760
<v Speaker 3>and not just that, like invest a lot of money

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 3>in completely ridiculing itself, like not just ridiculing its entity,

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 3>but ridiculing a boardroom filled with people that work at

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 3>matel Like that's amazing, Like I cannot believe that that

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 3>version of the script was made, Like isn't that cool?

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I it is cool, but I'm not surprised by it

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>at all because it is all to the end of

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 1>selling Barbies. But how could you?

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 3>But the thing is, when has a corporation ever done that.

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Winn has like a piece of intellectual property as big

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:52.320
<v Speaker 3>as Barbie, or even close to as big as Barbie

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 3>ever been like, yeah, let's make fun of everyone, not

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 3>just the thing that we sell, but everybody that works

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 3>here too, Like Disney's Ratica has.

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Been doing that since enchanted with yes way that it

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 1>with the way that it skewers the idea of Disney princesses,

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 1>not the it's not as but yeah no, but it's

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 1>not as pointed. It's not they're not literally putting Disney

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>executives in their movie, but they are pretending to be

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>in on the joke of the criticism of their very

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 1>product to the ultimate end goal of selling tickets to

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:32.280
<v Speaker 1>movies and then selling merchandise.

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:35.719
<v Speaker 3>But the thing is to do that, to do what

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Mattel did in and also like have jokes about penises

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:45.239
<v Speaker 3>vaginas like guynecologists, Like really, I think like layered and

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 3>like sometimes radical feminist ideas in this movie. Like I

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I want to reward this project, like

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 3>I want to build it up. I feel like, I

0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 3>know it's like so stupid because it's like Mattel and

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.800
<v Speaker 3>this is a bajillion dollar entity and they're going to

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:02.879
<v Speaker 3>make so much money.

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:05.879
<v Speaker 1>But it's just like I do wish that people went there,

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:07.919
<v Speaker 1>Like I this is the most fun.

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.320
<v Speaker 3>And I know these we had very different experiences, but like,

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 3>this is the most fun I've had in a theater

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:15.360
<v Speaker 3>since everything everywhere, all at once, and everything everywhere was

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 3>my favorite movie I had seen in years.

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I loved was not mine.

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know I and the things that I

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.759
<v Speaker 3>loved about the film were the things that it was

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 3>like unafraid to It was unafraid to be weird, Like

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 3>it wanted to be weird, It wanted to be maximalist.

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 3>It had tons of ideas and decided to go for

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 3>a lot of them. And it didn't try to be perfect.

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 3>It didn't try to be palatable. It didn't try to

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 3>please people. And this movie is extremely unpalatable to its

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 3>target demographic, which is.

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 1>America.

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:59.759
<v Speaker 3>Like the mainstream midwestern cis America is not something it's

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 3>not I know that. Like honestly, your Mom is like

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 3>a really good example of like the kind of woman

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 3>that actually is perfect for a movie like this. But

0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:08.959
<v Speaker 3>the rest of America, Diva is gonna hate this movie,

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. Or they're not gonna get it,

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 3>or it's gonna be too complicated, or they're gonna think

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 3>it's too weird. And that's why I think it's really

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 3>cool that a movie like this and a movie like

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Everything Everywhere was so successful, not because it's like so

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:24.279
<v Speaker 3>important for women or not because it's like, oh my god,

0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 3>it's like amazing perfect art. It's like, no, it's amazing

0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:32.800
<v Speaker 3>because it is a completely original script that ran with

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:37.400
<v Speaker 3>extremely complicated and weird ideas and pulls it off to

0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 3>massive success. That's why I loved it.

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I agree, but I was thinking about this earlier,

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 1>like a I think this movie is too big to fail. Yeah, sure,

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 1>like Barbie is an entity and the juggernaut of this

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 1>film are just too big to fail. True. And then

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>also I don't actually know if this movie am the

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:03.600
<v Speaker 1>way it presents is radical when you think about because

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I actually, in seeing this film, I really appreciated our

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:12.239
<v Speaker 1>episode with Trixy Mattel about Barbie because it made me

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:17.920
<v Speaker 1>understand that actually this very much fits into the legacy

0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 1>of Barbie, which is presenting a product that you are

0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 1>unsure if the world is going to receive well, and

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>there is actually a lot of opposition to it, and

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.440
<v Speaker 1>it still is a success anyway. So I don't believe

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>releasing this movie is like Mattel going against its like

0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:40.719
<v Speaker 1>values or customer base. I think it actually, but it's

0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a huge ring. I think it is seemingly very in

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 1>line with what Barbie specifically has always been.

0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 3>But that's my point is that if it was too

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 3>big to fail, Mattel very easily could have just made

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 3>this movie directed by Ava DuVernay and then it's just

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:02.759
<v Speaker 3>like a normal action with the lightest message ever and

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 3>and like maybe a little boring, you know what I mean,

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.160
<v Speaker 3>Like there's a version of this that is just like

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:12.440
<v Speaker 3>a straightforward, no frills action movie, and they didn't do that,

0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 3>you know. I thought, that's like why I was so

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:17.799
<v Speaker 3>I honestly, here's the thing. If the movie had had

0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 3>zero marketing, Like I feel like I would have walked

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 3>into this movie very differently, and I think you would

0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 3>have too, And yeah, I don't. I just like thought

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 3>that something this huge would not have any sort of

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 3>like legs to stand on in the art, in the

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 3>art realm, Like I didn't think it was gonna be

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 3>good art, and I didn't think it was going to

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 3>be good critique. And I thought it was great art,

0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 3>and I thought it was great critique.

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 1>That is where I will have to disagree with you

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, because like aska, so, I want to

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:51.719
<v Speaker 1>circle back to what I kind of briefly touched on

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and talking about Oppenheimer, which is that Oppenheimer record.

0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Do you enjoy Oppenheiber more than Barbie?

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Right here right now? In a while to say with it,

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:04.480
<v Speaker 1>but maybe possible. Ah, it's it's possible.

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 3>I think you're just being contrarian.

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Oppenheimer is very much about someone reckoning with the dangerous,

0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 1>world altering thing that they've introduced into the world and

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 1>being haunted by that. I do believe that Barbie presents

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that same idea and quandary, but ultimately does not really

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 1>answer it and kind of just shrugs its shoulders. Like

0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:43.760
<v Speaker 1>even at the end when America Ferrera is like, let's

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 1>make an ordinary Barbie. Yeah, you know, it's kind of like, okay, sure,

0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>it's all. Well, it's like and that's it, and that's

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the resolution of the of this huge question. It's like,

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:03.680
<v Speaker 1>is Barbie is Barbie good? Does Barbie make women hate themselves?

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Or does Barbie build women up? And you know, we've

0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 1>been on this journey with stereotypical Barbie the whole movie,

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:14.719
<v Speaker 1>realizing that the world that exists in barbieland where they

0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.240
<v Speaker 1>think they've solved the problems of feminism does not exist

0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:23.839
<v Speaker 1>in the real world, and being tasked with figuring out

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 1>if she is complicit in that, and that question is

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:31.279
<v Speaker 1>never answered. Well, I know that question doesn't really have

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:34.919
<v Speaker 1>an answer yeah, But then I'm like, then why even

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:38.040
<v Speaker 1>ask the question? Well, the thing okay, So here's the

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 1>thing though, is I agree that the question is not

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 1>necessarily I feel like the problems of feminism are not

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 1>resolved in the movie, yes, because they are not resolved

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>in real life. I mean the resolved in barbieland it

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 1>looks like, which I think is cool, and I think

0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:56.359
<v Speaker 1>that that is part of I think that's the part

0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of the appeal for me, is that the movie.

0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:05.359
<v Speaker 3>Was disinterested necessary and having a perfectly succinct answer as

0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:07.399
<v Speaker 3>to like how we can do better. But the movie

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 3>definitely made Barbie complicit, like one hundred percent. I think

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:12.120
<v Speaker 3>it said, yes, Barbie is complicit.

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 1>In this, this, and this.

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:16.319
<v Speaker 3>The reasons that I feel and I know I keep saying,

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 3>like the word radical, I should like back off of

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.680
<v Speaker 3>that because it's not that radical. But like, the reason

0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 3>I did say that is because, like, this movie is

0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:35.359
<v Speaker 3>educating a massive population of people around ideas that they

0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:36.960
<v Speaker 3>otherwise never would.

0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Have heard of.

0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:41.479
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, you mean like the twenty five thousand times

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 1>they say the word patriarchy. No, I hate that, hate that.

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you if there's one thing that this

0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:49.759
<v Speaker 3>movie could have done without. It's like they needed to

0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:53.040
<v Speaker 3>say patriarchy and feminism like fifty times less, Like we

0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 3>needed patriarchy said like two or three times, and feminism

0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:58.840
<v Speaker 3>said once and just for jokes, and the rest was

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 3>like it's like, girl, you don't have to say it,

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:03.480
<v Speaker 3>say something else, you don't have to say it. Like

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 3>it's so annoying.

0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I will never forgive Ken and possibly this movie as

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 1>a whole for making horses something that are tied to men.

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I love that horses are for girls. It is horse girls,

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 1>not horse. Ken's okay as a crowd horse girl by

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>this message.

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Slash buy our horse girl t shirt on like a

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Virgin four twenty sixty nine dot com. Things that were

0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:51.120
<v Speaker 3>radical on the educating level, Like if Trixy hadn't told us,

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 3>I never would have thought about the fact that dolls

0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:58.160
<v Speaker 3>only existed as baby dolls until Barbie came along. Did

0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:00.919
<v Speaker 3>not know that before Trixy not have known that before

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:04.239
<v Speaker 3>this film. That's like, so that's like an immaculate way

0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 3>to set up Barbie as like an actual kind of

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:11.880
<v Speaker 3>like Trailblazer or whatever. But like the things about this

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 3>where I was just like WHOA. First of all, the

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 3>genitalia stuff. I was like, I can't believe they said that.

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 3>That felt so cool and weird and fun to do.

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I thought that weird Barbie being in this movie was

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:26.360
<v Speaker 3>also like, it's like showing this way that like you

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:28.200
<v Speaker 3>play with your doll too hard and that happens to

0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:30.920
<v Speaker 3>your adulta sometimes is like that's a thing that happens,

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Like people do that, and like for MATEL to be like, yes,

0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 3>people do that, and it's okay if your Barbie is weird,

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:41.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like but like with the feminism of it all, yeah, okay,

0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that the move the word feminism was said

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 3>too many times as and as I said, there were

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.160
<v Speaker 3>too many monologues about it. It's just like we only

0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 3>needed one monologue, but there were so many different tangents

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 3>that didn't work. But like for the movie to kind

0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 3>of have this like war of the sexes, like the

0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Battle of the Sexes, I thought that was really smart.

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 3>And then for it to be a kind of swindling

0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:07.040
<v Speaker 3>of an entire gender to usurp them and to prevent

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 3>them from voting in the constitution, that's like, again, I'm

0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:13.760
<v Speaker 3>not going to say radical. I need to find a

0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:14.560
<v Speaker 3>different word to say it.

0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:19.480
<v Speaker 1>But like that's transgressive word. Thank you, That is the word.

0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:24.480
<v Speaker 3>That's extremely transgressive, Like for for Ken and the other

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Ken's to have this like intercommunal conversation to be like

0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.240
<v Speaker 3>we are the arbiters of to basically figure out that

0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 3>they are the arbiters of their own suffering, right like

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.000
<v Speaker 3>that that is something that they are all responsible for,

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.360
<v Speaker 3>even though they didn't realize it. That's like Bell Hooks.

0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:42.160
<v Speaker 1>That's like literally Bell Hooksy and Bill Hooks wrote the script.

0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but and that's the thing is like I wouldn't

0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.600
<v Speaker 3>be saying any of this ship but it's Greta Gerwig.

0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:52.920
<v Speaker 3>She's a smart fucking person. And this movie and Bombach

0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:55.440
<v Speaker 3>never forget that, right, right right? Bombak did cot this

0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:59.920
<v Speaker 3>movie with her right written by a man. I actually,

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:04.880
<v Speaker 3>oh god, I god, I wanted to forget that. Greta

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.880
<v Speaker 3>listen this. I like this movie so much that the

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 3>next day I went and watched Francis Ha because I

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 3>was like, let me, let me tell you, I forgot

0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:14.400
<v Speaker 3>what this movie was about, and so let me go

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:17.240
<v Speaker 3>and watch it again. And it's like the opposite of

0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 3>Barbie in that like Barbie is like what can Greta do?

0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:22.920
<v Speaker 3>With the most and Francis Haw is like, what can

0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Greta do with the least? Well, she didn't direct Francis Haw,

0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:28.560
<v Speaker 3>but she was. She didn't she write it.

0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I've never seen it.

0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Actually, Yes, Noah directed this movie. Sorry, but they made

0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 3>it together. Same with Barbie. It's like they made it together,

0:59:35.880 --> 0:59:39.360
<v Speaker 3>the creative collaborators. Something that I loved in thinking about

0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Francis hat to Barbie was like that Greta Gerwig's brain

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.560
<v Speaker 3>is like really crowded, and I think that's cool. Like

0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:49.320
<v Speaker 3>I like that there was so much going on and

0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:51.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it made me feel seen like my

0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:55.520
<v Speaker 3>brain is really crowded, you know. But yeah, no, I

0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:57.320
<v Speaker 3>guess it's probably Noah's brain too, huh.

0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I do think I I think Whoever's brain. It was

1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:06.600
<v Speaker 1>like they're very clever. Like I didn't think this movie

1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:10.080
<v Speaker 1>was laugh out loud hilarious, but I thought it was

1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:15.480
<v Speaker 1>very clever and that is still very worthwhile to me

1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:18.720
<v Speaker 1>as an audience member, as a consumer of art. And

1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:22.280
<v Speaker 1>like again, I did really like the movie and I

1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 1>had fun. I just I thought this movie was going

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:30.120
<v Speaker 1>to be something that I would love. It felt like

1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:35.560
<v Speaker 1>primed for me to love it one thousand percent, and

1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:39.080
<v Speaker 1>it seems like everyone else I know is loving it

1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:44.960
<v Speaker 1>that much, and I didn't see that's fine, that's fine,

1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:48.320
<v Speaker 1>it's fine. It's fine to just like a movie and

1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:52.320
<v Speaker 1>really enjoy it. It's fine. But I'm not going to

1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:56.280
<v Speaker 1>like make Barbie my whole personality, you know, And that's okay.

1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to No, I'm not. I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>That'd be way too basic, But I will say, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>When I walked out the movie, I obviously immediately thought

1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:05.800
<v Speaker 3>of you, and I was like, I know Rose is

1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:10.640
<v Speaker 3>gonna hate the volume of kind of talkie feminist stuff

1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:12.680
<v Speaker 3>that happened in this movie, as did I. I was like,

1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:14.880
<v Speaker 3>I know that's something Rose is gonna respond negatively too.

1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:17.440
<v Speaker 3>But I thought that you were just I thought you

1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:20.000
<v Speaker 3>were gonna love like weird Barbie. And I thought you

1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:22.520
<v Speaker 3>were gonna love like the contemplations of death, and I

1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:25.959
<v Speaker 3>thought the existentialism again transgressive. I thought you were gonna

1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:28.439
<v Speaker 3>love like the fashion moments. I thought you were gonna

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<v Speaker 3>love the fact that like that, like that there's no

1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:34.840
<v Speaker 3>the plate, the things that are like child's play, like

1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:36.840
<v Speaker 3>that there's no water and you pretend to eat food.

1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's very rose. But you know what,

1:01:39.120 --> 1:01:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I would have loved all that stuff if I hadn't

1:01:41.760 --> 1:01:46.280
<v Speaker 1>seen it all before the movie came out. Yeah, China. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Was given away about this movie in trailers, in profiles

1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:53.720
<v Speaker 1>and interviews, and like, that's part of the problem is

1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the insane lead up to this movie. We were given

1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:03.360
<v Speaker 1>so much because this movie had to be a huge success,

1:02:03.560 --> 1:02:07.920
<v Speaker 1>so they pulled every lever they had, and to me,

1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:12.240
<v Speaker 1>that's too many levers. I needed a lot more of

1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:15.720
<v Speaker 1>this to be shrouded in mystery, because the stuff with

1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.880
<v Speaker 1>like no juice in the cup was like in the

1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:22.480
<v Speaker 1>New Yorker story about Mattel or like in one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Margo Robi profiles, and like the you know, like

1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:28.560
<v Speaker 1>all of those other all of these other little things

1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.120
<v Speaker 1>were all spoiled. And you know, me, I don't really

1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:34.959
<v Speaker 1>care about spoilers, but for something like this, I wish

1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:42.640
<v Speaker 1>some of the magic had been reserved for the movie

1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:46.360
<v Speaker 1>theater experience, because this is a movie that is really magical.

1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:52.200
<v Speaker 1>But we knew the conceit of it so for so long.

1:02:52.800 --> 1:02:55.080
<v Speaker 1>See when that first trailer was released, But.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing is, we actually didn't really know exactly

1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:00.840
<v Speaker 3>the plot. Like we saw a lot of images, and

1:03:00.920 --> 1:03:03.280
<v Speaker 3>I agree that there was too much. There was too

1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:05.560
<v Speaker 3>much spoiled for the movie. I agree, But here's the thing.

1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Everything that was spoiled for me personally was just the

1:03:09.680 --> 1:03:12.160
<v Speaker 3>tip of the iceberg of what I experienced in the

1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:16.200
<v Speaker 3>maximalism that was that movie. I you know, I just

1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:19.520
<v Speaker 3>I respectfully disagree, And that's fine.

1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:23.240
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's great that this movie prompts these

1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:27.760
<v Speaker 1>conflicting responses from us and that it still made us

1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:30.400
<v Speaker 1>feel things. I'm so glad you loved it, and I

1:03:30.560 --> 1:03:33.360
<v Speaker 1>do think it will stand the test of time. In

1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:37.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways. For me, this movie ended up

1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:41.240
<v Speaker 1>being a lot quieter and more emotional. And I think

1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the thing that I will take from it is that

1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:46.439
<v Speaker 1>moment sitting in the car with my mom after the movie,

1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and like that is still a worthwhile reason to make

1:03:51.680 --> 1:03:53.440
<v Speaker 1>art for me to be able to have that moment

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<v Speaker 1>with my mom, And that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that's like and the movie like it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>the movie like orbits around really really dark ideas around

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<v Speaker 3>real womanhood and really like existential kind of like even

1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:12.080
<v Speaker 3>defeatist ideas about womanhood. Like the the like a lot

1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:14.560
<v Speaker 3>of the characters are like, is it even worth it

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<v Speaker 3>to try and fight something so structurally as big as

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<v Speaker 3>the patriarchy? Like is this even a battle that can

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<v Speaker 3>be fought?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>And the movie is kind of like no, like patriarchy

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<v Speaker 3>is never going to be solved in our lifetime, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't it worth it to try? Like That's what I

1:04:31.200 --> 1:04:33.640
<v Speaker 3>love about the movie is that the movie is basically

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<v Speaker 3>just like, isn't it worth it to try and make

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<v Speaker 3>things better? And in the kind of act of that

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<v Speaker 3>make yourself happy and make yourself believe that things can

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<v Speaker 3>be changed Like that, to me, this is the transgressive

1:04:47.520 --> 1:04:49.680
<v Speaker 3>element that I'm talking to you about. Is like there's

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<v Speaker 3>something about that that is kind of about like feminist

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<v Speaker 3>organizing ideas, Like that's really cool. But outside of that,

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<v Speaker 3>most importantly, Phoebe is asking on the lodometer, what is ken?

1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:04.160
<v Speaker 3>And would you suck Ken?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Absolutely, I would suck Ken. I did not find

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Gosling attractive in any of the lead up to

1:05:12.360 --> 1:05:15.120
<v Speaker 1>this film. WHOA, it's not like I thought he was ugly,

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<v Speaker 1>but I won't. No, but it's not but I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like would suck? But then watching the movie, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>would suck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, another important question from Phoebe. Can you talk about

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<v Speaker 3>if you would if you were in the movie, what

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<v Speaker 3>Barbie would you be?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mean okay, so I'm gonna you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Existential thoughts of death Barbie.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, no, but let's make up our own because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say like I would be like

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<v Speaker 1>Asa Ray or yeah. No.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Also I thought I thought do a leaper mermaid. Barbie

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<v Speaker 1>was so fucking lame. Well she only had I wish

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<v Speaker 1>another thing that I wish hadn't been spoiled. That would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a gag if it had been a surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, she was exactly. She should have been a surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>She was in the movie as much as she was

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<v Speaker 3>in the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, like they needed her to market it, and

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<v Speaker 1>like that's why, like at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>you will never be able to unlink this film from

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<v Speaker 1>its capitalist propaganda, and like whatever, that's fine. It's literally based.

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<v Speaker 3>On adult So you would be fan fiction famous, Barbie.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've never been fan fiction fames.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying. This is Barbie world, Okay, in

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<v Speaker 3>Barbie World, fan fiction famous maybe, Sorry, I'm just projecting

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<v Speaker 3>this onto you. I'll let you answer your own question.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm like suicidal Barbie. No, not even like

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts of death Barbie. No, I'm like impatient Barbie inient

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<v Speaker 1>Barbie or no, no, no here, I'm malgoth Barbie. Mal

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<v Speaker 1>goth Barbie. You're mal goth Barbie. It comes with like

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<v Speaker 1>a hot topic diorama. Yeah, and it is. It is

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<v Speaker 1>like a collab with hot topic. It's yeah, exclusively in stores.

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<v Speaker 3>She comes with like seventy two rubber bracelets.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and scene bangs, and like a studded choker, a

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<v Speaker 1>laptop in which she's writing her Harry Potter fan fiction.

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<v Speaker 3>She probably has like bonded genes that like can zip off,

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<v Speaker 3>like they're element that can Like there has to be

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of you know, a kind of like uh attachable,

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<v Speaker 3>detachable element to it.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a functional penis and like a dull kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>knife that she stole that she doesn't exactly cut herself

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<v Speaker 1>with no, but like but like touch lines in her.

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<v Speaker 3>Skin with yeah, yeah, just lines, just lines, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what Barbie would you be?

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<v Speaker 3>My Barbie would be I don't know, like caffeinated emails Barbie,

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, like circling back Barbie, checking in Barbie,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just want to follow up on this Barbie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, following up Barbie. God, I know, like space Barbie.

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<v Speaker 3>That is kind of my reputation in previous working years.

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<v Speaker 3>But like I hate doing that now, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to follow up with anybody on anything, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>hate doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do it. Please don't make me

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Yeah, is my actual office Barbie.

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<v Speaker 3>My Barbie would be like trans girls slut organizer. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, I'm that's very literal from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Let's let's rethink that you're gonna be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're you're on the list, Barbie. You're on

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<v Speaker 1>the list. Oh, you're like in line outside of the club,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the line. But you're walking up to the bouncer

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<v Speaker 1>at the club. You've got like your little like you're

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<v Speaker 1>in like a Chapololwena skirt. Yes, chapoo awena for Mattel

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<v Speaker 1>and it comes with like a life size skirt for

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<v Speaker 1>your owner Rick Owens Heels. For sure, do you own

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Owens Heels? No? Of course, I see you as

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<v Speaker 1>a I don't see you as a rick Owens girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not here of cyro heels. No, no, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm That's what I'm saying. I'm reaching high. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>afford Rick Owens. So Barbie has the rick Owens, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know that Rick makes my size. I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about you size if I'm a Barbie. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>so if I wanted to wear, You've got a Barbie size.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So if I'm wearing anything I want, then I'm

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<v Speaker 3>definitely wearing those bo Takee platform boots, the ones that

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<v Speaker 3>like go up your knee that are just black Chipovi skirt,

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<v Speaker 3>a little bag of coke tucked inside my telfar, Like

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<v Speaker 3>the bag of coke is going to be like like

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<v Speaker 3>a quarter the size of a thumbnail, Like it's got

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<v Speaker 3>to be super super small and really cute.

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<v Speaker 1>And a phone and the screen has like a painted

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<v Speaker 1>on message that it's a textentage just says where are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you? Custom mark?

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<v Speaker 3>Question mark, question mark on the list, Barbie on the list,

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<v Speaker 3>Barbie and Maul coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye Baby, Bye Barbie. Nice. I was hoping you would

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<v Speaker 1>go low for that last one. And here's a clip

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's like artistic time, or there's like drag time.

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<v Speaker 4>I think trans time is like quantum leap, like realms,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the walls between the world's becoming thin and

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<v Speaker 4>people transversing those you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Adam Sandler.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're combining, You're combining Bruce Almighty and Click, which

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<v Speaker 3>like they are kind of the same movie in a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of ways too, like like Sis had Dad, like

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<v Speaker 3>wish fulfillment controlling everything in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, though, this is horrible. I love Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Sandler and I love his movies.

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<v Speaker 3>No Please, and people die for click people.

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<v Speaker 1>People are click pills, like a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad but like happy Gilmore. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>She eats Billy Madison. She eats like Billy Madison is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually never seen The House That Possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's so funny. I mean, it's a really good movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that we're talking about Billy Madison, which is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the opposite of Barbie culture.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know here, I don't know. I think they're,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the same realm. I'm sure we could

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<v Speaker 1>figure out a way to connect to them. Do we

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<v Speaker 1>think Adam Sandler has ever played with dolls? Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I would love Adam Sandler's a celebrity that

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<v Speaker 4>I think at this point, I hope gets like a

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<v Speaker 4>legacy doll. You know, they everybody's so focused on getting

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<v Speaker 4>a star on the Walk of Fame or whatever. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>having a doll is five thousand times been in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I it must be. Like I think I

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<v Speaker 1>always like when you see whatever new sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>diva character actress has like been swept up into the

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel Cinematic universe. The thing they always seem the most

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<v Speaker 1>gagged by is when they get an action figure. So

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that's like a really like insane experience, one

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<v Speaker 1>that you have some familiarity with.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, like winning Drivers is cool. A lot of

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<v Speaker 4>things have been cool. That seeing the doll for the

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<v Speaker 4>first time was like it was like it was like

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<v Speaker 4>fast forward, rewind and fast forward through everything in my

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<v Speaker 4>life up into that moment. It was so crazy, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's still cool. I mean, they're definitely out there sold out.

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<v Speaker 4>I bought twenty five, which I know is insane, but

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<v Speaker 4>I just didn't want to run out and I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to give them as professional gifts to

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<v Speaker 4>like everyone in my life who I felt want.

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<v Speaker 2>Should to have one.

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<v Speaker 4>And I still probably still have maybe five leftover, because

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<v Speaker 4>I only have one of those Funko pops and that

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<v Speaker 4>those like are impossible to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, okay, well, have you ever made two of your

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<v Speaker 1>dolls Scissor.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't made to my doll Scissor, but I love

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<v Speaker 2>we have one.

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<v Speaker 4>We have the prototype out on a shelf at my

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<v Speaker 4>drag studio and we have some of this other celebrity

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<v Speaker 4>dolls there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we have a share.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a Donnie Osmond, we have Twiggy. So sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>it's fun to like have them interact or you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I wanted to do and this was so I

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<v Speaker 4>should have because my doll is by integrity, the same

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<v Speaker 4>people we made Victor RuPaul doll at the middle of

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<v Speaker 4>Poor Doll. And when I was doing Queen of the

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<v Speaker 4>Universe this year, you know the new judges Melb Scary Spice,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I have to bring a scary

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<v Speaker 4>because I have all of the Scary Spice dolls they've

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<v Speaker 4>ever made. I said, I have to bring one, and

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<v Speaker 4>I have to get a picture of her and I

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<v Speaker 4>with our dolls. And I did not have the I

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<v Speaker 4>did not have the strength and the bravery to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you bring the doll and then like pussy out

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<v Speaker 3>or did you like what was the day of the deal.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, David told me to bring one of to bring

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<v Speaker 4>one of the dolls in the packaging and be like

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<v Speaker 4>you have to have her sign it to you, like

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<v Speaker 4>you have to And it was like okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got her to do that on the last

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<v Speaker 2>day of filming.

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<v Speaker 4>But I didn't have the courage to pick out because

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, oh, she and I maybe do some kind

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<v Speaker 4>of TikTok or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was just trying to be young

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to create content.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there's always next season, babe. Yeah, maybe let's make a.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's got to be more singing drag queens in

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 3>You have had Rue sign one of your dolls though,

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<v Speaker 3>thus you know, appreciating the value of that doll immensely, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, Rue. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I have all the I have a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>the RuPaul Integrity dolls from the nine, and I have

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<v Speaker 4>the new Integrity dolls from the twenty you know, tens

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<v Speaker 4>and beyond. And I have the Amanda doll, which I

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<v Speaker 4>think was only available at FAO Schwartz. And one time

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<v Speaker 4>I asked Amanda's like I'm looking for one of your dolls.

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<v Speaker 4>Where do I get one? She was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>even know anyone has one. And I found one on

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<v Speaker 4>eBay and David bought it for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like eight hundred dollars. But it's amazing. It

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<v Speaker 2>has a pussy, the tits are perfect, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's amazing. It's an amazing doll. Because I love Barbie,

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<v Speaker 4>but I love all dolls. I collect all types, even

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<v Speaker 4>though Barbie is like my number one.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, an Amandola Poor doll that is like a prize possession,

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<v Speaker 3>Like did the doll of a doll?

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<v Speaker 2>Did it come with it?

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<v Speaker 3>Did it come with like the six or seven other

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<v Speaker 3>like you know kind of bottle boy twink dolls that

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<v Speaker 3>come with the Amandela Poor doll, you know the ones

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<v Speaker 3>that hold the champagne and shake, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 4>One the one that holds the flash yeah, the one

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<v Speaker 4>that just holds the flash yeah yeah. The one that's

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<v Speaker 4>just like eighteen year old eighteen year old non binary

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<v Speaker 4>intern with like flash.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea yeah, who's like and they both kind of smell

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<v Speaker 1>like cigarettes and like cotton candy. Totally