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Speaker 3: Thank you for teeing up my shameless promotion. I mean
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Speaker 3: Uh So, if you are cis gender and you want
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Speaker 3: but you are also welcome.
Speaker 1: And it's going to he can How can virgins support
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Speaker 3: Oh that's another really good question, Rose, Thank you for
Speaker 3: all that. Wow, Am I am Like am I seated
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Speaker 1: Wow, And you can also do that if you're a
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Speaker 3: Actually, can I complain really quickly just because we're here?
Speaker 3: Oh ways, girl, I for this event, which I had
Speaker 3: this the idea for this event last summer and it
Speaker 3: didn't really get momentum until May, when I finally got
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Speaker 3: the ev AV equipment and stuff. But I have been
Speaker 3: introduced personally to so many different persons of interest who
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Speaker 1: Right, So I've been.
Speaker 3: Introduced to like venture capitalists, like millionaires, people married to millionaires,
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Speaker 3: Actualations, there was actually a really there was a white
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Speaker 1: Obah. Now it's time to talk about the name on
Speaker 1: everyone's lips and that name is Barbenheimer. This is our
Speaker 1: Barbenheimer episode in that in the back half of the
Speaker 1: episode we will be talking specifically about Barbie, which we
Speaker 1: both saw this weekend separately, and on the front half
Speaker 1: of this episode, AKA right now, I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about Oppenheimer, which I saw this morning
Speaker 1: at nine to fifteen am in Boca Raton, Florida. I
Speaker 1: was in a movie theater with exclusively I would say,
Speaker 1: people over the age of sixty love and me, which
Speaker 1: is really to me, that is a safe space. It's
Speaker 1: how I grew up, you know, surrounded by old people
Speaker 1: in God's waiting room here in Florida. So it was
Speaker 1: kind of the perfect experience to see that film, in
Speaker 1: a film that I tried to get my grandpa to
Speaker 1: come with me to see. And his response was, why
Speaker 1: would I do that? I know how it ends, honestly,
Speaker 1: because he thinks that movies exist only to impart information
Speaker 1: rather than to beat art and make you feel something.
Speaker 1: So to him, the idea of going to a movie
Speaker 1: that sought to recreate historical events was completely pointless, seeing
Speaker 1: as how he has read about them in books. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ending has been spoiled for him. Yeah, and even
Speaker 1: if I said, if I mentioned spoilers, he would not
Speaker 1: know what that was. Can I tell you?
Speaker 3: Your grandpa kind of spilled because I also was just like,
Speaker 3: I already know how it ends. I don't want to
Speaker 3: see this, Like I might go see it, like, you know,
Speaker 3: because I'm a Stebanista and I.
Speaker 1: Can get movies for quote unquote free.
Speaker 3: But I was like your grandpa, I was just like, look,
Speaker 3: I don't need I don't know. I already know how
Speaker 3: this ends. I don't need like the guy who made
Speaker 3: the Adam baumb like humanized I guess. But ill, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm really curious as to your experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you'll like it. I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, because it's three hours long and it is
Speaker 1: a lot of just men talking about stuff. But not
Speaker 1: my favorite I I loved it. Yeah, it's so it's
Speaker 1: such a good movie, it's so well made. It's it
Speaker 1: really is like a collection of some of the most
Speaker 1: famous actors in Hollywood, as well as like random people
Speaker 1: who you're like, oh that guy, like literally one of
Speaker 1: the one of the big bads from Buffy had a
Speaker 1: minor role. You know. It's like that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: like a bunch of random like character actors and alongside
Speaker 1: like Emily Blunt and Matt Damon, but they all everyone
Speaker 1: has besides Killy and Murphy, you know, who is Oppenheimer
Speaker 1: and who is the baby girl of this film. Everyone
Speaker 1: else just kind of like comes in, does a scene
Speaker 1: or two, and then you know, moves on like it's
Speaker 1: an en piece. Yeah, but it's a great movie. It's
Speaker 1: very sweeping well at the same time being very tight
Speaker 1: on this man's story. It like is and is not
Speaker 1: a biopic. It also is much more about It's not
Speaker 1: just about the creation of the atom bomb. It's also
Speaker 1: about the fallout from it and later in Oppenheimer's life.
Speaker 1: He was tried is the wrong word, but he was.
Speaker 1: There was sort of like a tribunal about his Communist ties,
Speaker 1: and that is kind of the framing device of the film.
Speaker 1: And those scenes are are like equally as tense as
Speaker 1: the stuff about the the bomb. Lots of like random
Speaker 1: people in there who have not like done anything in forever,
Speaker 1: Like Josh Hartnett was in there, and Josh ha so hot.
Speaker 2: But he.
Speaker 1: Like also I think this Josh from Drake and Josh
Speaker 1: is in it. No in a random role. But it
Speaker 1: is incredibly well made. You know, Christopher Nolan is an
Speaker 1: amazing director. It's beautiful to look at. The sound design
Speaker 1: and the score are incredible. The acting is amazing. You know,
Speaker 1: Killian Murphy slayed Robert Downey Junior, who is this figure
Speaker 1: in in you find out like later in the film
Speaker 1: in opposition to Oppenheimer, was incredible And I'm so glad
Speaker 1: he's like out of the clutches of Marvel and is
Speaker 1: making movies like this. Emily Blunt, you know, is not
Speaker 1: given a ton to do because this is a Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan movie and women does not know how to write
Speaker 1: women and doesn't really want them in his movies, but
Speaker 1: he'll take them if he has to very him. But
Speaker 1: she the stuff that she has is amazing. Like there's
Speaker 1: one scene late in the film where she's called on
Speaker 1: to be a witness in this like like quote unquote
Speaker 1: trial against Oppenheimer, and she's a drunk, like she's a
Speaker 1: drunk mess, like swollen face like whatever. And you think
Speaker 1: that this guy who's sort of like leading the you know,
Speaker 1: like prosecution is gonna like tear her to shreds. And
Speaker 1: she fucking eviscerates him and it's incredible. Probably she will
Speaker 1: definitely get nominated for.
Speaker 3: Best Supporting Actress at the Oscars, and has she been
Speaker 3: nominated already?
Speaker 1: Would potentially win? Uh maybe maybe Phoebe you can fact
Speaker 1: check that for us. By the stupid question, was there action? Yes,
Speaker 1: the most action is when they test the bomb, which
Speaker 1: is which like is the climax of the movie. But
Speaker 1: then but then it happens, and then there's like another
Speaker 1: hour of the movie which is much more about the Uh. Okay,
Speaker 1: Emily Blunt has never been nominated. I do think this
Speaker 1: will be. She will absolutely be nominated for this. Florence
Speaker 1: Pugh is also really great in this. She has two
Speaker 1: very weird sex scenes with Killian Murphy. It's really strange,
Speaker 1: but it works. Killian Murphy his eyes are so blue,
Speaker 1: his waist is so snatched. I actually don't really know
Speaker 1: anything about Killian Murphy. He is an Irish actor with
Speaker 1: eyes as blue as the sea and as lips that
Speaker 1: look like they have had at least a full syringe
Speaker 1: of juvenile pumped into that said, how we like them?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah? Period. It also, I mean, when we
Speaker 1: start talking about Barbie, like I will I think there
Speaker 1: is something to be said about you know, not only
Speaker 1: are these two movies where they released on the same day,
Speaker 1: but they both kind of are about this thing that
Speaker 1: was introduced to the world and like irrevocably changed it
Speaker 1: for good or evil. Oppenheimer reckons with that a lot
Speaker 1: more than I think Barbie does ultimately. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, probably.
Speaker 3: I mean, actually I haven't seen Oppenheimer, but when we
Speaker 3: talk about Barbie, let me tell you the whole movie
Speaker 3: was about critiquing Barbie, which I thought was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I will, we'll get to it. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's successfully critique. I think it
Speaker 1: presents questions without actually answering them. Yeah, but Oppenheimer Slade,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would ever watch it again.
Speaker 1: But I really really enjoyed it, and it did not
Speaker 1: feel overly long. I did not get up to pee
Speaker 1: at all. I was really fascinated. You know, it's not perfect,
Speaker 1: but it's really really fucking good.
Speaker 3: I'm like, just really glad that you saw the movie
Speaker 3: so that we don't have to have to at all.
Speaker 3: That is really like such a public service you're seeing
Speaker 3: it for people around the world.
Speaker 1: Rows that is a service I am happy to provide.
Speaker 1: And you know, I wasn't sure I was gonna see it,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I did, much like I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: I was going to watch the new season of Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of New York City. Oh yeah, and I have,
Speaker 1: so I am I'm glad I did because I'm kind
Speaker 1: of into it.
Speaker 3: Wait, can we talk about this, Like what I really
Speaker 3: actually when we texted about it, I really didn't think
Speaker 3: you were going to watch it?
Speaker 1: So what pushed you over the edge. Well, I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: fran I am in Florida in my mom's house and
Speaker 1: there's cable TV and nothing else to do. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's the only circumstances that could have gotten me to
Speaker 1: watch it. So now I'm locked in at least for
Speaker 1: a couple episodes until I inevitably get bored. So I
Speaker 1: really like the New Roney Girls so far. Obviously Jenna
Speaker 1: Lyons is mother but also mommy. I'm like really attracted
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 3: So she's hot, she has hot vibes, hot energy, swagger, She's.
Speaker 1: I need her shoe closet. That is my goal in life.
Speaker 1: I came when that came.
Speaker 3: I was like, actually, like having a transcendental experience looking
Speaker 3: at her shoe closet.
Speaker 1: I also really like Brinn, who's the one whose tagline
Speaker 1: is like mess with me and I'll fuck your dad.
Speaker 3: She's the one that's behind this kind of cheesegate thing
Speaker 3: that's happening right now.
Speaker 1: Is yes, yes, cheesegate. Well, you know, it is crucial
Speaker 1: for every Real Housewives franchise to have a some kind
Speaker 1: of altercation that is so minor and stupid, but the
Speaker 1: repercussions of which ripple throughout the season and possibly entire
Speaker 1: run of the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very possible that what has now transpired in
Speaker 3: Cheesegate is something that will be relevant for seasons to come.
Speaker 3: Will Yeah, so we'll drive the drama forward for maybe
Speaker 3: five seasons of the show.
Speaker 1: I really hated it.
Speaker 3: I know that Ronie has is like always about like Ronnie,
Speaker 3: and also just all Real Housewives are really good at
Speaker 3: manufacturing stupid, stupid plot lines, and I think that's part
Speaker 3: of the fun, right that like, these women are fighting
Speaker 3: about something as stupid as a cheeseboard. But for the
Speaker 3: premiere and for what should be a entry point to
Speaker 3: all of these women, I did wish there was just
Speaker 3: like something a little more concrete, And I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: saying this, and I'm curious on your thoughts. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be saying this if I didn't see from the preview
Speaker 3: that there really isn't that much drama to come.
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know. We only see what they have
Speaker 1: chosen to show us. But you know, I think part
Speaker 1: of the problem is that two of the women don't drink,
Speaker 1: as they reveal in the second episode, and we know
Speaker 1: that another thing you need to have a successful Real
Speaker 1: Housewives franchise is a bunch of alcoholics. Yea, they all
Speaker 1: are too, are actually drinking. You know, Uba, who I
Speaker 1: also really like, said in the second episode that she
Speaker 1: hasn't drank for years because she like kind of had
Speaker 1: a problem with it when she was younger, and I
Speaker 1: found myself being like, well, maybe you should pick that
Speaker 1: problem back. No, I would never I would never wish
Speaker 1: that on anyone. I think one of the other women
Speaker 1: even said like, I can't imagine, like Uba is already
Speaker 1: a lot to handle sober, I can't imagine what she
Speaker 1: would be like with a couple drinks in her And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I am imagining it, and I
Speaker 1: think it would be a sligh, but it would be
Speaker 1: slay you. I support her in her journey.
Speaker 3: So you didn't watch the most the most recent Ultimate
Speaker 3: Girls Trip, which was maybe my favorite Ultimate Girls Trip
Speaker 3: out of all the Ultimate Girls Trips, and I've watched
Speaker 3: all of them. But there is a really funny kind
Speaker 3: of like plot line slash tiff between Heather and Leah
Speaker 3: Remini the other the Fire, not.
Speaker 1: Leah Remini, Lea that is that is a different person,
Speaker 1: that is the that is the girlie who left Scientology, Amazon,
Speaker 1: King of Queens. Wait, who is Leah Leah? What's her face?
Speaker 2: Leah?
Speaker 1: Just Leah her last Yeah, So between.
Speaker 3: Leah Remini, I don't even know who that is.
Speaker 1: So between Heather and Leah, it's actually.
Speaker 3: It's actually Remeny Remeny and still not who she is, Okay,
Speaker 3: So between Leah and Heather, the basically like Heather doesn't
Speaker 3: really realize that Leah is like an actual alcoholic alcoholic,
Speaker 3: Like I think Leah just says at one point like
Speaker 3: I don't drink or something, and so Heather was like,
Speaker 3: literally to the other girls when Leah is not present,
Speaker 3: Heather's like, let's get her to drink yeah, let's like,
Speaker 3: let's get her to be fun like she should be
Speaker 3: drinking like and then Lea comes sure. The producers were
Speaker 3: also yeah, yeah, and then they were like well and
Speaker 3: then Lea comes in. She was like that would ruin
Speaker 3: my life, like what like, but also it would be
Speaker 3: good TV.
Speaker 1: Okay, so great TV. Back to Ronnie, this is very important.
Speaker 3: Phoebe has dropped in the chat that Bethany Frankel is
Speaker 3: calling for reality stars to unionize. Any thoughts, any commentary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should. Everyone should unionize. That's true. Everyone support
Speaker 1: We should put we support any and all unions here
Speaker 1: and like, okay, follow up question, when the Real Housewives unionize,
Speaker 1: is it like each franchise gets like a strike captain
Speaker 1: And if so, which wife from each franchise is the
Speaker 1: strike captain of each union? I actually don't know if
Speaker 1: any of them could be trusted with that kind of responsibility,
Speaker 1: but I do think that someone like Heather Gay would
Speaker 1: want to be the strike. She would want to be
Speaker 1: the strike. No one would ever want to listen to her,
Speaker 1: so it would probably end up being like Bethany from
Speaker 1: Old Roney.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, it would be a Bethany Bethany
Speaker 3: kind of situation. Yeah, there are no housewives that really
Speaker 3: have their shit together in that way. Jillson actually, oh,
Speaker 3: Jill Zaren would be an amazing strike captain, and she
Speaker 3: does have Fran Dresher energy, so that actually does work
Speaker 3: really well. Okay, So on the total refresh of Ronnie,
Speaker 3: you said you have two housewives just like feelings in general.
Speaker 1: Three I like, I like Uba Brynn and and Jenna Jenna.
Speaker 3: Okay, I obviously lashed on a Jenna. I said to
Speaker 3: you when we chated on the phone that like seeing
Speaker 3: Jenna Lyons on TV is like watching footage of the
Speaker 3: Luckness Monster. Like, it's so wild to behold her on televisihow,
Speaker 3: She's so weird. She's such an anomaly. She's so massively
Speaker 3: successful in a way that most people aren't, and yet
Speaker 3: most people haven't really heard of her, Like I think
Speaker 3: New Yorkers are the only people that.
Speaker 1: Know who she is. She's like a very if you know,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of celebrity exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think she likes it that way, which
Speaker 3: is why I'm so surprised that she's doing something so
Speaker 3: radically out.
Speaker 1: Really, she doesn't like it that way. She clearly wants
Speaker 1: to be more famous. You don't go on housewives if
Speaker 1: you don't want to be famous. No, you want to
Speaker 1: be famous.
Speaker 3: She there really is no housewife like Jenna, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't know a whole lot of housewives that are just
Speaker 3: middle of the road. Like she's stable, she seems like rational,
Speaker 3: she seems like a full.
Speaker 1: Human, but she also has some darkness, you know. In
Speaker 1: the second episode, she opens up about her mom, who
Speaker 1: had Aspergers and is kind of the reason why she's
Speaker 1: a little stilted and cold. She also talked about being
Speaker 1: outed by The New York Post when she had first
Speaker 1: started dating women. I forgot about that, and you know,
Speaker 1: so she definitely has some demons and she's a freak.
Speaker 1: She's a freaking I listened to that song at the
Speaker 1: gym the other day five times in a row. That's
Speaker 1: too many times, No, but it really got me going.
Speaker 1: It's got the blood moving.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what like my blood moving. Like, honestly,
Speaker 3: I've been listening to the Barbie soundtrack. I know we're
Speaker 3: getting there, but like.
Speaker 1: So, do you want to do you want to hear? Actually,
Speaker 1: what's on my gym playlist currently? Oh? Yes, please? It is,
Speaker 1: and I'm not a playlist girl, but at the gym
Speaker 1: I really need bops too. This is not all bops,
Speaker 1: but it's a very weird collection of things that I added,
Speaker 1: like two songs to a playlist, and then I just
Speaker 1: kind of added the things that were suggested. So right
Speaker 1: now my gym playlist is Rush by Troy Sevon Okay,
Speaker 1: speed Drive from Barbie Okay, Grapefruit by Tablow or Tu
Speaker 1: Below Minute by Kim Petris, runners Hi by Mona World
Speaker 1: Class Center, Slash, I'm a Freak from the idol PADM
Speaker 1: Padam We Know Angel from the Barbie album, which is
Speaker 1: one of my favorites from the Barbie album, the Pink
Speaker 1: Panther song He Did by Beyonce, I Can See You
Speaker 1: by Taylor Swift, Catwalk by Route Ball and then Scott
Speaker 1: and then a surprise Choose Your Fighter by Ava Max,
Speaker 1: also from the Barbie soundtrack. I do not like Ava Max,
Speaker 1: and I do think that the song sounds exactly like
Speaker 1: the two other songs of hers that I've heard, but
Speaker 1: it's good.
Speaker 3: I am learning right here and now that Ava Max
Speaker 3: was on the Barbie soundtrack and I had no idea
Speaker 3: because I have her muted on Spotify.
Speaker 1: I have her muted on Twitter. I have the words
Speaker 1: the phrase Ava Max muted on Twitter while we're here. Honestly, okay,
Speaker 1: I will say like, I also have Rush on my
Speaker 1: gym kind of like repeat on repeat recently. Look, there's
Speaker 1: no shame in the rush aissance or whatever it is
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: It's not a soance. It was never It can't be
Speaker 3: a zonce if it if it is a new thing.
Speaker 3: The girls are treating it like a son's.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. This song is
Speaker 1: a bop.
Speaker 3: I think that the little vocal chorus part like would
Speaker 3: be better not on the chorus that said Rush is on.
Speaker 3: I am also listening to the Barbie soundtrack. I think
Speaker 3: the du I didn't like the Dua Lipa song at first,
Speaker 3: and now I think I like it. I also wake
Speaker 3: up to the opening Lizzo song every day.
Speaker 1: The Lizo song is really good and really funny, so
Speaker 1: it's especially funny in the movie, but it's it's one
Speaker 1: of the first Lizo songs that I actually kind of like.
Speaker 3: And it sorry not to get into well, well, I'll
Speaker 3: get into Barbie stuff later, but I was just gonna
Speaker 3: say Revelations from the Kimpetres New Kimpetres album I thought
Speaker 3: was good. I also love Minute.
Speaker 1: Minutes, the only one that I liked when I gave
Speaker 1: the album a very cursory listen. I'm sure Kim Petris
Speaker 1: really wanted to be on the Barbie's oundtrack, but she's not.
Speaker 1: Today we are talking about Barbie. We both have seen it,
Speaker 1: and I think it's time to finally get into the
Speaker 1: Barbie of it all, don't you. Friend. Yeah, I'm literally
Speaker 1: I cannot contain my takes. I know I've been waiting
Speaker 1: to hear. I'm so I we okay, virgins. Just to
Speaker 1: be really honest, we did talk briefly about Barbie yesterday
Speaker 1: on the phone, so I do kind of know your
Speaker 1: high level thoughts about it. But we have not gotten
Speaker 1: into the minutia. And that's what we're going to do today,
Speaker 1: and we're not going to do what I saw a comment, Okay, So,
Speaker 1: I was recently reading through our our reviews on Apple podcasts,
Speaker 1: and one of them said that we never actually discuss
Speaker 1: pieces of culture. We only say whether we think actors
Speaker 1: and TV shows are hot, and then never give any
Speaker 1: substantial criticism about them. So we're not going to do
Speaker 1: that today. Well, and that's not even a real thing
Speaker 1: that we do. Who wha wha wha wha wha woa,
Speaker 1: back up, back up, back up.
Speaker 3: First of all, that's a completely defamatory thing to say
Speaker 3: about our podcast. We talk a lot about how hot
Speaker 3: actors are, yes, okay, but that.
Speaker 1: We have a whole We have a suckometer for it.
Speaker 1: We have a suck ometer, low dometer, low dometer, lodometer,
Speaker 1: low dometer. I'm so sorry, Well we need a sucknometer too.
Speaker 3: But listen, do not come to this podcast for salient
Speaker 3: journalistic like like perfectly executed criticism. Like I know that
Speaker 3: I like coseplay as a critic, but like, look, we're
Speaker 3: not critics. We're friends talking about culture in normal ways,
Speaker 3: and you are listening to us like on your commute
Speaker 3: or like in your car or like whatever, and you
Speaker 3: get to pass the time with that, and if you
Speaker 3: don't like it, you can get the fuck out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do not consider myself a critic. I don't really.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say I don't believe in criticism,
Speaker 1: Like I definitely believe criticism has its place in art,
Speaker 1: but I'm not here to offer up a sort of intellectual,
Speaker 1: rualized critique of media. I'm always thinking about things as
Speaker 1: a consumer, as someone who loves and consumes a lot
Speaker 1: of pop culture, and also to do. And we want
Speaker 1: to talk about people whose loads we want to take.
Speaker 3: Yes, both we can give a salient critique and also
Speaker 3: talk about taking someone's load. Thank you very much, And
Speaker 3: let me tell you the duality of tran. Yes, sometimes
Speaker 3: the duality of tran is that sometimes we do actually
Speaker 3: make really great critiques. But like, our job is not
Speaker 3: to critique. Our job is to just like be interesting
Speaker 3: while we talk podcast. Yeah, so that you have something
Speaker 3: to do in your spare time, You're welcome and it's free,
Speaker 3: and fuck that person anyway, Barbie, let's talk about Barbie.
Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see if the premise of the
Speaker 1: show is true and that we will have the exact
Speaker 1: opposite take about this movie and almost every part of it. So, Fran,
Speaker 1: what did you think? I loved it? I loved this movie.
Speaker 1: It's not a perfect movie.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of things in its execution where
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, I don't know about that,
Speaker 3: but like, overall, ten out of ten, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: nominated for Oscars. I think it's Greta Gerwig's best movie,
Speaker 3: extremely controversial take, and I did not stop having fun,
Speaker 3: did not stop having fun. And I think that that
Speaker 3: was really that was a surprise for me because I
Speaker 3: just like went into this movie expecting it to disappoint
Speaker 3: me because there's been so much hype, right, There's been
Speaker 3: so much chat at this point about the movie. I
Speaker 3: was like, this movie has marketing, yes, so much marketing,
Speaker 3: And I was like, this movie has no choice but
Speaker 3: to fail because I don't trust that Mattel can actually
Speaker 3: start an interesting conversation around Barbie or even like make
Speaker 3: it entertaining. And I also was thinking the movie would
Speaker 3: be more for kids, which it wasn't. I actually think
Speaker 3: it's very explicitly for kids. But we'll discuss. Did you
Speaker 3: see the PG version or the PG thirteen version, because
Speaker 3: there are two different kinds of screenings. No, I saw
Speaker 3: the PG thirteen version. You're like, I'm sure I saw
Speaker 3: the PG thiry. Okay, so that's definitely not for kids.
Speaker 3: Definitely not for kids, Diva. But anyways, Okay, what did
Speaker 3: you think, Rose?
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I was not as bad as I expected to be.
Speaker 1: I know me, you know that I am really here
Speaker 1: to mostly enjoy things, like for the most part, I
Speaker 1: think some of the difference between you and I is
Speaker 1: that you kind of go into things expecting not to
Speaker 1: like them, and I really want to just have fun,
Speaker 1: And especially a movie like this that is such a movie,
Speaker 1: like a summer blockbuster. I was really primed to have
Speaker 1: a fucking blast and love it, and you didn't love it.
Speaker 1: I I didn't love it. I really liked it, but
Speaker 1: I did not love it. It was not as funny
Speaker 1: as I thought it would be. I did not laugh
Speaker 1: alloud a lot. Wow. I thought a lot of the
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you want to call it,
Speaker 1: social commentary or sort of you know, like feminist perspective
Speaker 1: of it was very defanged. I thought it presented, as
Speaker 1: I said before, like presented a lot of ideas and
Speaker 1: asked a lot of questions without ever really trying to
Speaker 1: answer them. And I actually thought some of the performances
Speaker 1: were very underwhelming, specifically Margo robi What yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie in a movie called Barbie was basically second
Speaker 1: fiddle to Ken, and that was kind of one of
Speaker 1: my major problems is that Ken was the star of
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 3: I wow, I was so I was so buckled in
Speaker 3: for all of that, but that last bit really threw me.
Speaker 3: And I fundamentally disagree. But I don't want to start
Speaker 3: with what we disagree about. Actually, let's start with what
Speaker 3: we Let's start with something that we really agree on.
Speaker 3: I will say my kind of the only thing that
Speaker 3: I really did not love about the movie was what
Speaker 3: I felt was a very ham fisted hammering of the
Speaker 3: feminist messaging. That this movie is like staked too right,
Speaker 3: Like I I don't feel as you feel that it
Speaker 3: was quote unquote defanged, Like I think that there were
Speaker 3: definitely there's definitely a flattening of feminist ideas that happened
Speaker 3: on screen in order for it to be more accessible
Speaker 3: or for to make more sense. But I think that
Speaker 3: there are many extremely kind of radical ideas about feminism
Speaker 3: introduced in this movie, even if they are kind of
Speaker 3: like sneaky on the side, Like saying that like men
Speaker 3: should be like extracted from siss society and made into
Speaker 3: like a subservient population that is like feeding the dolls
Speaker 3: or whatever. Like that is like there's something about that
Speaker 3: that's like kind of radical. There are a lot of
Speaker 3: elements about the anti manness that a lot of conservative
Speaker 3: presses is a lot of conservative press are saying like
Speaker 3: this is so anti man, this is so anti man.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, like yeah, it is, like and like
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rings is anti woman, Like yeah, like
Speaker 3: these like movies can be movies can have points of view,
Speaker 3: and I don't I don't think that Greta Gerwig was
Speaker 3: sitting there being like, this movie's going to be so
Speaker 3: anti man. But girl, all of the monologues we got,
Speaker 3: we got so many fucking monologues about women's empowerment, and
Speaker 3: it's like one of them would have really hit home
Speaker 3: for me, Like they were all good, but like I
Speaker 3: only needed one and I was like, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, the feminist elements of the movie that
Speaker 3: I actually enjoyed were the jokes, like feminism jokes, But
Speaker 3: the ones that I didn't enjoy were the lectures when
Speaker 3: I felt like I was being told too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Obviously I loved America Ferrera's monologue about womanhood.
Speaker 3: Which he helped write apparently, but also.
Speaker 1: Greta Gerwig has already done that in Little Women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it is a little bit copy paste, even though
Speaker 1: it's presented in a new way. And I guess some
Speaker 1: of what I feel about it is like they put
Speaker 1: so much obvious feminism in social commentary in the movie
Speaker 1: so that there did not need to be up a
Speaker 1: much deeper reckoning with those ideas, and that in presenting
Speaker 1: them in their most bombastic and spectacular way, that that
Speaker 1: was enough. And I get it, Like this is a
Speaker 1: kid's movie again, Like I know that we want to
Speaker 1: believe that this was made for us, but this is
Speaker 1: a children's movie, and so the ideas in it are
Speaker 1: present and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that the ideas that are presented in
Speaker 1: it are presented in a way that children can understand,
Speaker 1: and that's why they are somewhat simple. And so I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I went into this movie looking for a
Speaker 1: radical presentation of feminism and so I wasn't disappointed by
Speaker 1: not getting one. And I actually think the parts of
Speaker 1: this film that are most transgressive are I'm not joking
Speaker 1: when I say that I think this is a trans movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to look further than the ending line,
Speaker 1: which some people might have grown at it, but I
Speaker 1: think is pretty fucking punk. The movie ends with Barbie
Speaker 1: going to her guy acologist. I that is fucking sick girl.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about that. Actually, I was going to
Speaker 3: ask you about the last line.
Speaker 1: I'm so you loved it. I'm glad you I loved it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the scene. I thought it was
Speaker 1: so funny. I loved the scene where Barbie told the
Speaker 1: construction workers that she didn't have a vagina and Ken
Speaker 1: didn't have a penis. Yeah, so funny. They are canonically
Speaker 1: a tea for tea couple. And then I loved the
Speaker 1: Barbie is a trans woman like she is. She is
Speaker 1: a she is a D to F trans woman, trans
Speaker 1: she's a P she's plastic to female, she's P to F.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just got a little mound down there. Okay, No,
Speaker 3: I'm glad you like the last line. I thought the
Speaker 3: resolution of the movie was maybe where I felt like
Speaker 3: it was the most this oversimplification thing that you're talking
Speaker 3: about is very true, and I felt like in the
Speaker 3: resolution of the movie, I was like the existentiality and
Speaker 3: the like the the element of the of it where
Speaker 3: it's like no life goes on and dolls are forever
Speaker 3: and so you can be forever, and I thought that
Speaker 3: was really cool. Like that I think worked, but the way.
Speaker 1: That profound but also but also this is the thing.
Speaker 1: It's this movie is both profound and vague at the
Speaker 1: it is it is like the rules of this world
Speaker 1: are so unspecified, and that's fine. I love fantasy movies
Speaker 1: or fantastical movies where you never fully understand the rules
Speaker 1: of how the world works. Like I liked that, you know,
Speaker 1: the guys from the boardroom could roller skate into Barbieland
Speaker 1: and we didn't really need to know the mechanics of it.
Speaker 1: Or Barbie could like sit on a bench and have
Speaker 1: a vision and we didn't really ask questions about why
Speaker 1: she was able to do that, or she was able
Speaker 1: to turn into a human and we don't really need
Speaker 1: to understand how that happened. But yet those things happen
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to see them as being incredibly profound
Speaker 1: and meaningful, but how we got there is like kind
Speaker 1: of a blur. So I do think that takes away
Speaker 1: a bit from how impactful they can be. So it's
Speaker 1: a little bit paradox to me. Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 3: The movie is all at once oversimplified and incredibly complex.
Speaker 3: I respond to maximalism. I respond to a lot of
Speaker 3: ideas and a plethora of ideas as opposed to like
Speaker 3: a dearth of ideas or a movie that is trying
Speaker 3: too hard to be safe. Which is part of why
Speaker 3: I just yes love the word dearth. And that's part
Speaker 3: of the reason why I really really love this movie
Speaker 3: is I was just like, maximalism is like subjectively my tea,
Speaker 3: and so I was just having so much fucking fun
Speaker 3: throughout this movie. But I wonder if I can kind
Speaker 3: of I really fucking love this movie, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go see it again. And I wonder, honestly, when you
Speaker 3: go see it again, because I think you might too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to say I really want to see
Speaker 1: it again, because I think a lot more could be
Speaker 1: gleaned from a second, closer viewing of it, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure there was stuff that I missed, stuff that will
Speaker 1: hit better or different on the second viewing. And maybe
Speaker 1: once I'm past the initial reaction of seeing this thing
Speaker 1: that we all have been waiting and waiting for and
Speaker 1: anticipating for so long, like, maybe I'll appreciate it more
Speaker 1: as much as I didn't like the quote unquote feminism
Speaker 1: of this movie. It's depiction of womanhood and especially the
Speaker 1: stuff that it did around mothers and daughters, even though
Speaker 1: like that is another place where it was like very
Speaker 1: specific and very vague at the same time, because it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: we get that, there's this whole thing about Ruth Handler
Speaker 1: creating Barbie and now she's Barbie's mother, and Barbie takes
Speaker 1: her daughter's name when she goes in the real world,
Speaker 1: and like Rio Pearlman has that great line that like
Speaker 1: mother stands still so their daughters can look back and
Speaker 1: see how far they've come. Like that's a beautiful line,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's like that's not what
Speaker 1: the whole movie's about. It's kind of like shoehorn In
Speaker 1: in the last act a bit. But I did really
Speaker 1: like it. And I saw this movie with my mom
Speaker 1: and that was a really beautiful experience. And my mom
Speaker 1: loved this movie. And she was very lukewarm about seeing it.
Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, I'll see it, but like I
Speaker 1: don't really care, and she loved it, and it was like,
Speaker 1: actually really nice to see it with her. And you know,
Speaker 1: Greta Gerwig makes does great storytelling around mothers and daughters.
Speaker 1: And actually, when my mom and I left the movie,
Speaker 1: we were in the car and she was pulling out
Speaker 1: and she looked over and me and she went, aren't
Speaker 1: you so happy that you're a woman?
Speaker 3: And like that was that was very good, good, that's
Speaker 3: so cute.
Speaker 1: I think maybe this movie is more profound for women
Speaker 1: of my mom's generation, who are somewhat in between the
Speaker 1: time when Barbie was introduced and the world we live,
Speaker 1: I mean kind of directly between the time when Barbie
Speaker 1: was created and where we are now, and the women
Speaker 1: who really are kind of standing still in the middle
Speaker 1: of those two polar opposite sides of womanhood. So I did,
Speaker 1: I did really appreciate that. And then, of course, like
Speaker 1: I appreciate this film on a technical level, it was
Speaker 1: beautiful to look at. I loved how much you know,
Speaker 1: practical work went into this, Like all this done own
Speaker 1: stage stuff was beautiful. Barbie Land was beautiful. The costumes
Speaker 1: were amazing and so fun.
Speaker 3: Like the fact that there's like no water, like there's
Speaker 3: no like liquids, right, there's no ocean because you can't
Speaker 3: put that on dolls, and like they're they're feet, the
Speaker 3: flat feet, Like there's so many things where it's like
Speaker 3: cinematic invention, Like just like you, the world building, they
Speaker 3: made me like so happy. Step by step by step,
Speaker 3: it's like every it's like it wasn't enough for us
Speaker 3: to get this huge induction of Barbie World, which was
Speaker 3: so rich. There was so much going on, but like
Speaker 3: throughout the whole film there were these litter reveals that
Speaker 3: it's just like, oh yeah, and the Barbie also has
Speaker 3: these like this, these are these ar chibal fashion moments
Speaker 3: which I thought were so cool where they like not.
Speaker 1: The palazzos, not the palazzos, so funny, so many my
Speaker 1: favorite line of the movie.
Speaker 3: But then Harry NEETs screaming flat Feet was definitely one
Speaker 3: of my favorite.
Speaker 1: It was great. So a lot of the references to
Speaker 1: older Barbies, the jokes about Midge were really funny, and
Speaker 1: they showed earring Magic Ken. Yes, I loved Earring Magic
Speaker 1: Ken and Sugar's Daddy and obviously we love we love Alan.
Speaker 1: Alan is a king? What's Alan on the lodometer? I
Speaker 1: would suck I would suck Alan. Okay, so he doesn't
Speaker 1: have genitalia, so right, but but you know what, I
Speaker 1: tweeted that Alan would be ass up in the mojo
Speaker 1: dojo Costa house, and someone replied saying that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have genitalia. You know, those barbies can, as I know
Speaker 1: from experience, you can rub their you know, sort of
Speaker 1: like weird blobby genitals against each other and can't make
Speaker 1: magic happen.
Speaker 3: You can pound the mound, so to speak. There were
Speaker 3: certain you're like, I'm not gonna acknowledge that I do.
Speaker 1: Like pound the mound. I there were things that I
Speaker 1: wanted more of, Like I loved Helen Mirren's breaking the
Speaker 1: fourth wall joke about Margot Robbie, like that was GREATA
Speaker 1: I actually think good. I actually think there should have
Speaker 1: been more Helen mirren narration. Yeah, you're gonna if you're
Speaker 1: kind of just device use it more and actually use
Speaker 1: that to give us more of a window into what
Speaker 1: Barbie's thinking as she's trying to grow, because that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Besides a couple moments where Margot Robbie has like a
Speaker 1: single tear or whatever, I found her performance at times
Speaker 1: to be very opaque and like I didn't really understand
Speaker 1: what was going on beneath the surface. And I think
Speaker 1: part of that is because she's literally playing a doll.
Speaker 1: But you know, Barbie is she's like the with the
Speaker 1: Ken of it all. Like Barbie is the she's the
Speaker 1: straight woman in her movie. Yeah, and Ken is the
Speaker 1: one who gets to have all the fun. M Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is kind of that is kind of it. There
Speaker 1: was some fun for Barbie, you know, like I but I.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find common ground in what you're saying,
Speaker 3: because I really I feel like she was perfect for
Speaker 3: this role. I feel like there is a vacuousness and
Speaker 3: an emptiness to her and her performance that worked really well.
Speaker 3: I wasn't necessarily I didn't feel that there was an imbalance.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people actually feel like there
Speaker 3: was this kind of like fight between the two leads
Speaker 3: of the film. I honestly was so focused on the ensemble.
Speaker 3: I didn't really feel like the movie had much of
Speaker 3: a primary character. It's just that Barbie was like kind
Speaker 3: of the what everything was orbiting around, like the epicenter.
Speaker 1: But you know, I will agree with you that there.
Speaker 3: There are moments where Margo Robbie sometimes just plays the
Speaker 3: same shtick over and over again when she needs to
Speaker 3: be something of a cartoon that lacks that like added
Speaker 3: layer like what she does in Ititanya is like like
Speaker 3: to me her one hundred and ten percent, like she's
Speaker 3: so fucking layered and there's so much going on with
Speaker 3: her in Ititania, but something like Birds of Prey, I
Speaker 3: was like, you're just it's like line delivery, line delivery,
Speaker 3: line delivery, line delivery, really weird voice and accent like,
Speaker 3: and I feel distracted, and maybe, like with Barbe, it's
Speaker 3: like there's more acting in like the caricature of Barbie
Speaker 3: than there is actually like in the acting.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't mad at that.
Speaker 3: I never there wasn't a moment really during the movie
Speaker 3: where I felt like Margot wasn't really delivering. But I
Speaker 3: will agree that she didn't really feel like the lead,
Speaker 3: so to speak. And I don't mind that, no.
Speaker 1: I I guess I was expecting more. And I think
Speaker 1: maybe this might just be a Margot Robbie thing, because
Speaker 1: I am looking back on other performances of hers, and
Speaker 1: I don't know that she's ever gagged me on screen,
Speaker 1: like I do like her as Harley Quinn and I
Speaker 1: liked the Harley Quinn movie. But even there, I don't
Speaker 1: think she's necessarily like the best part of that movie.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Ititania? Yeah, I mean Ititanya. She's she's goods.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a while. She's so good
Speaker 1: in that movie. I don't know, but I think it's
Speaker 1: it's not that she was bad, it's that Ryan Gosling
Speaker 1: was just so good, yeah, and was given so much
Speaker 1: more to work with fine that she was just a
Speaker 1: little overshadowed. And also the part that is the part
Speaker 1: of the movie where I guess she does her most growing,
Speaker 1: which is when she's in the human world, was kind
Speaker 1: of my least favorite part of the movie. I actually
Speaker 1: think the second act of this film is its weakest part.
Speaker 3: I m okay, I will say so okay, Barbie World
Speaker 3: to human world. It was bound to happen. The parts
Speaker 3: of like the kind of human worlds that I did
Speaker 3: like in the second half the movie was everything at
Speaker 3: Mattel Like I thought Will Ferrell. I thought everything was
Speaker 3: perfectly cast. I thought the whole ensemble was so perfectly
Speaker 3: cast to from like, you know, fucking from Ruth to
Speaker 3: Helen Mirren to Lizzo doing the opening song to Will
Speaker 3: Ferrell doing Mattel like. I just thought every every like
Speaker 3: time after time again, I was like, yes, that's exactly.
Speaker 1: Who should be doing this.
Speaker 3: But I think with the will feral stuff, I was
Speaker 3: really shocked, And part of why I really loved the
Speaker 3: movie was by how surprised I was by the lengths
Speaker 3: at which a corporation was willing to make fun of itself,
Speaker 3: and not just that, like invest a lot of money
Speaker 3: in completely ridiculing itself, like not just ridiculing its entity,
Speaker 3: but ridiculing a boardroom filled with people that work at
Speaker 3: matel Like that's amazing, Like I cannot believe that that
Speaker 3: version of the script was made, Like isn't that cool?
Speaker 1: I it is cool, but I'm not surprised by it
Speaker 1: at all because it is all to the end of
Speaker 1: selling Barbies. But how could you?
Speaker 3: But the thing is, when has a corporation ever done that.
Speaker 3: Winn has like a piece of intellectual property as big
Speaker 3: as Barbie, or even close to as big as Barbie
Speaker 3: ever been like, yeah, let's make fun of everyone, not
Speaker 3: just the thing that we sell, but everybody that works
Speaker 3: here too, Like Disney's Ratica has.
Speaker 1: Been doing that since enchanted with yes way that it
Speaker 1: with the way that it skewers the idea of Disney princesses,
Speaker 1: not the it's not as but yeah no, but it's
Speaker 1: not as pointed. It's not they're not literally putting Disney
Speaker 1: executives in their movie, but they are pretending to be
Speaker 1: in on the joke of the criticism of their very
Speaker 1: product to the ultimate end goal of selling tickets to
Speaker 1: movies and then selling merchandise.
Speaker 3: But the thing is to do that, to do what
Speaker 3: Mattel did in and also like have jokes about penises
Speaker 3: vaginas like guynecologists, Like really, I think like layered and
Speaker 3: like sometimes radical feminist ideas in this movie. Like I
Speaker 3: I feel like I want to reward this project, like
Speaker 3: I want to build it up. I feel like, I
Speaker 3: know it's like so stupid because it's like Mattel and
Speaker 3: this is a bajillion dollar entity and they're going to
Speaker 3: make so much money.
Speaker 1: But it's just like I do wish that people went there,
Speaker 1: Like I this is the most fun.
Speaker 3: And I know these we had very different experiences, but like,
Speaker 3: this is the most fun I've had in a theater
Speaker 3: since everything everywhere, all at once, and everything everywhere was
Speaker 3: my favorite movie I had seen in years.
Speaker 1: Like I loved was not mine.
Speaker 3: I know, I know I and the things that I
Speaker 3: loved about the film were the things that it was
Speaker 3: like unafraid to It was unafraid to be weird, Like
Speaker 3: it wanted to be weird, It wanted to be maximalist.
Speaker 3: It had tons of ideas and decided to go for
Speaker 3: a lot of them. And it didn't try to be perfect.
Speaker 3: It didn't try to be palatable. It didn't try to
Speaker 3: please people. And this movie is extremely unpalatable to its
Speaker 3: target demographic, which is.
Speaker 1: America.
Speaker 3: Like the mainstream midwestern cis America is not something it's
Speaker 3: not I know that. Like honestly, your Mom is like
Speaker 3: a really good example of like the kind of woman
Speaker 3: that actually is perfect for a movie like this. But
Speaker 3: the rest of America, Diva is gonna hate this movie,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Or they're not gonna get it,
Speaker 3: or it's gonna be too complicated, or they're gonna think
Speaker 3: it's too weird. And that's why I think it's really
Speaker 3: cool that a movie like this and a movie like
Speaker 3: Everything Everywhere was so successful, not because it's like so
Speaker 3: important for women or not because it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's like amazing perfect art. It's like, no, it's amazing
Speaker 3: because it is a completely original script that ran with
Speaker 3: extremely complicated and weird ideas and pulls it off to
Speaker 3: massive success. That's why I loved it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, but I was thinking about this earlier,
Speaker 1: like a I think this movie is too big to fail. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: like Barbie is an entity and the juggernaut of this
Speaker 1: film are just too big to fail. True. And then
Speaker 1: also I don't actually know if this movie am the
Speaker 1: way it presents is radical when you think about because
Speaker 1: I actually, in seeing this film, I really appreciated our
Speaker 1: episode with Trixy Mattel about Barbie because it made me
Speaker 1: understand that actually this very much fits into the legacy
Speaker 1: of Barbie, which is presenting a product that you are
Speaker 1: unsure if the world is going to receive well, and
Speaker 1: there is actually a lot of opposition to it, and
Speaker 1: it still is a success anyway. So I don't believe
Speaker 1: releasing this movie is like Mattel going against its like
Speaker 1: values or customer base. I think it actually, but it's
Speaker 1: a huge ring. I think it is seemingly very in
Speaker 1: line with what Barbie specifically has always been.
Speaker 3: But that's my point is that if it was too
Speaker 3: big to fail, Mattel very easily could have just made
Speaker 3: this movie directed by Ava DuVernay and then it's just
Speaker 3: like a normal action with the lightest message ever and
Speaker 3: and like maybe a little boring, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like there's a version of this that is just like
Speaker 3: a straightforward, no frills action movie, and they didn't do that,
Speaker 3: you know. I thought, that's like why I was so
Speaker 3: I honestly, here's the thing. If the movie had had
Speaker 3: zero marketing, Like I feel like I would have walked
Speaker 3: into this movie very differently, and I think you would
Speaker 3: have too, And yeah, I don't. I just like thought
Speaker 3: that something this huge would not have any sort of
Speaker 3: like legs to stand on in the art, in the
Speaker 3: art realm, Like I didn't think it was gonna be
Speaker 3: good art, and I didn't think it was going to
Speaker 3: be good critique. And I thought it was great art,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was great critique.
Speaker 1: That is where I will have to disagree with you
Speaker 1: a little bit, because like aska, so, I want to
Speaker 1: circle back to what I kind of briefly touched on
Speaker 1: and talking about Oppenheimer, which is that Oppenheimer record.
Speaker 3: Do you enjoy Oppenheiber more than Barbie?
Speaker 1: Right here right now? In a while to say with it,
Speaker 1: but maybe possible. Ah, it's it's possible.
Speaker 3: I think you're just being contrarian.
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer is very much about someone reckoning with the dangerous,
Speaker 1: world altering thing that they've introduced into the world and
Speaker 1: being haunted by that. I do believe that Barbie presents
Speaker 1: that same idea and quandary, but ultimately does not really
Speaker 1: answer it and kind of just shrugs its shoulders. Like
Speaker 1: even at the end when America Ferrera is like, let's
Speaker 1: make an ordinary Barbie. Yeah, you know, it's kind of like, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: it's all. Well, it's like and that's it, and that's
Speaker 1: the resolution of the of this huge question. It's like,
Speaker 1: is Barbie is Barbie good? Does Barbie make women hate themselves?
Speaker 1: Or does Barbie build women up? And you know, we've
Speaker 1: been on this journey with stereotypical Barbie the whole movie,
Speaker 1: realizing that the world that exists in barbieland where they
Speaker 1: think they've solved the problems of feminism does not exist
Speaker 1: in the real world, and being tasked with figuring out
Speaker 1: if she is complicit in that, and that question is
Speaker 1: never answered. Well, I know that question doesn't really have
Speaker 1: an answer yeah, But then I'm like, then why even
Speaker 1: ask the question? Well, the thing okay, So here's the
Speaker 1: thing though, is I agree that the question is not
Speaker 1: necessarily I feel like the problems of feminism are not
Speaker 1: resolved in the movie, yes, because they are not resolved
Speaker 1: in real life. I mean the resolved in barbieland it
Speaker 1: looks like, which I think is cool, and I think
Speaker 1: that that is part of I think that's the part
Speaker 1: of the appeal for me, is that the movie.
Speaker 3: Was disinterested necessary and having a perfectly succinct answer as
Speaker 3: to like how we can do better. But the movie
Speaker 3: definitely made Barbie complicit, like one hundred percent. I think
Speaker 3: it said, yes, Barbie is complicit.
Speaker 1: In this, this, and this.
Speaker 3: The reasons that I feel and I know I keep saying,
Speaker 3: like the word radical, I should like back off of
Speaker 3: that because it's not that radical. But like, the reason
Speaker 3: I did say that is because, like, this movie is
Speaker 3: educating a massive population of people around ideas that they
Speaker 3: otherwise never would.
Speaker 2: Have heard of.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, you mean like the twenty five thousand times
Speaker 1: they say the word patriarchy. No, I hate that, hate that.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you if there's one thing that this
Speaker 3: movie could have done without. It's like they needed to
Speaker 3: say patriarchy and feminism like fifty times less, Like we
Speaker 3: needed patriarchy said like two or three times, and feminism
Speaker 3: said once and just for jokes, and the rest was
Speaker 3: like it's like, girl, you don't have to say it,
Speaker 3: say something else, you don't have to say it. Like
Speaker 3: it's so annoying.
Speaker 1: I will never forgive Ken and possibly this movie as
Speaker 1: a whole for making horses something that are tied to men.
Speaker 1: I love that horses are for girls. It is horse girls,
Speaker 1: not horse. Ken's okay as a crowd horse girl by
Speaker 1: this message.
Speaker 3: Slash buy our horse girl t shirt on like a
Speaker 3: Virgin four twenty sixty nine dot com. Things that were
Speaker 3: radical on the educating level, Like if Trixy hadn't told us,
Speaker 3: I never would have thought about the fact that dolls
Speaker 3: only existed as baby dolls until Barbie came along. Did
Speaker 3: not know that before Trixy not have known that before
Speaker 3: this film. That's like, so that's like an immaculate way
Speaker 3: to set up Barbie as like an actual kind of
Speaker 3: like Trailblazer or whatever. But like the things about this
Speaker 3: where I was just like WHOA. First of all, the
Speaker 3: genitalia stuff. I was like, I can't believe they said that.
Speaker 3: That felt so cool and weird and fun to do.
Speaker 3: I thought that weird Barbie being in this movie was
Speaker 3: also like, it's like showing this way that like you
Speaker 3: play with your doll too hard and that happens to
Speaker 3: your adulta sometimes is like that's a thing that happens,
Speaker 3: Like people do that, and like for MATEL to be like, yes,
Speaker 3: people do that, and it's okay if your Barbie is weird,
Speaker 3: you know, Like but like with the feminism of it all, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I think that the move the word feminism was said
Speaker 3: too many times as and as I said, there were
Speaker 3: too many monologues about it. It's just like we only
Speaker 3: needed one monologue, but there were so many different tangents
Speaker 3: that didn't work. But like for the movie to kind
Speaker 3: of have this like war of the sexes, like the
Speaker 3: Battle of the Sexes, I thought that was really smart.
Speaker 3: And then for it to be a kind of swindling
Speaker 3: of an entire gender to usurp them and to prevent
Speaker 3: them from voting in the constitution, that's like, again, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to say radical. I need to find a
Speaker 3: different word to say it.
Speaker 1: But like that's transgressive word. Thank you, That is the word.
Speaker 3: That's extremely transgressive, Like for for Ken and the other
Speaker 3: Ken's to have this like intercommunal conversation to be like
Speaker 3: we are the arbiters of to basically figure out that
Speaker 3: they are the arbiters of their own suffering, right like
Speaker 3: that that is something that they are all responsible for,
Speaker 3: even though they didn't realize it. That's like Bell Hooks.
Speaker 1: That's like literally Bell Hooksy and Bill Hooks wrote the script.
Speaker 3: Yes, but and that's the thing is like I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be saying any of this ship but it's Greta Gerwig.
Speaker 3: She's a smart fucking person. And this movie and Bombach
Speaker 3: never forget that, right, right right? Bombak did cot this
Speaker 3: movie with her right written by a man. I actually,
Speaker 3: oh god, I god, I wanted to forget that. Greta
Speaker 3: listen this. I like this movie so much that the
Speaker 3: next day I went and watched Francis Ha because I
Speaker 3: was like, let me, let me tell you, I forgot
Speaker 3: what this movie was about, and so let me go
Speaker 3: and watch it again. And it's like the opposite of
Speaker 3: Barbie in that like Barbie is like what can Greta do?
Speaker 3: With the most and Francis Haw is like, what can
Speaker 3: Greta do with the least? Well, she didn't direct Francis Haw,
Speaker 3: but she was. She didn't she write it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never seen it.
Speaker 3: Actually, Yes, Noah directed this movie. Sorry, but they made
Speaker 3: it together. Same with Barbie. It's like they made it together,
Speaker 3: the creative collaborators. Something that I loved in thinking about
Speaker 3: Francis hat to Barbie was like that Greta Gerwig's brain
Speaker 3: is like really crowded, and I think that's cool. Like
Speaker 3: I like that there was so much going on and
Speaker 3: I don't know, it made me feel seen like my
Speaker 3: brain is really crowded, you know. But yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: guess it's probably Noah's brain too, huh.
Speaker 1: I do think I I think Whoever's brain. It was
Speaker 1: like they're very clever. Like I didn't think this movie
Speaker 1: was laugh out loud hilarious, but I thought it was
Speaker 1: very clever and that is still very worthwhile to me
Speaker 1: as an audience member, as a consumer of art. And
Speaker 1: like again, I did really like the movie and I
Speaker 1: had fun. I just I thought this movie was going
Speaker 1: to be something that I would love. It felt like
Speaker 1: primed for me to love it one thousand percent, and
Speaker 1: it seems like everyone else I know is loving it
Speaker 1: that much, and I didn't see that's fine, that's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine. It's fine to just like a movie and
Speaker 1: really enjoy it. It's fine. But I'm not going to
Speaker 1: like make Barbie my whole personality, you know, And that's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm going to No, I'm not. I can't.
Speaker 3: That'd be way too basic, But I will say, okay.
Speaker 3: When I walked out the movie, I obviously immediately thought
Speaker 3: of you, and I was like, I know Rose is
Speaker 3: gonna hate the volume of kind of talkie feminist stuff
Speaker 3: that happened in this movie, as did I. I was like,
Speaker 3: I know that's something Rose is gonna respond negatively too.
Speaker 3: But I thought that you were just I thought you
Speaker 3: were gonna love like weird Barbie. And I thought you
Speaker 3: were gonna love like the contemplations of death, and I
Speaker 3: thought the existentialism again transgressive. I thought you were gonna
Speaker 3: love like the fashion moments. I thought you were gonna
Speaker 3: love the fact that like that, like that there's no
Speaker 3: the plate, the things that are like child's play, like
Speaker 3: that there's no water and you pretend to eat food.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's very rose. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I would have loved all that stuff if I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it all before the movie came out. Yeah, China. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Was given away about this movie in trailers, in profiles
Speaker 1: and interviews, and like, that's part of the problem is
Speaker 1: the insane lead up to this movie. We were given
Speaker 1: so much because this movie had to be a huge success,
Speaker 1: so they pulled every lever they had, and to me,
Speaker 1: that's too many levers. I needed a lot more of
Speaker 1: this to be shrouded in mystery, because the stuff with
Speaker 1: like no juice in the cup was like in the
Speaker 1: New Yorker story about Mattel or like in one of
Speaker 1: the Margo Robi profiles, and like the you know, like
Speaker 1: all of those other all of these other little things
Speaker 1: were all spoiled. And you know, me, I don't really
Speaker 1: care about spoilers, but for something like this, I wish
Speaker 1: some of the magic had been reserved for the movie
Speaker 1: theater experience, because this is a movie that is really magical.
Speaker 1: But we knew the conceit of it so for so long.
Speaker 1: See when that first trailer was released, But.
Speaker 3: That's the thing is, we actually didn't really know exactly
Speaker 3: the plot. Like we saw a lot of images, and
Speaker 3: I agree that there was too much. There was too
Speaker 3: much spoiled for the movie. I agree, But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Everything that was spoiled for me personally was just the
Speaker 3: tip of the iceberg of what I experienced in the
Speaker 3: maximalism that was that movie. I you know, I just
Speaker 3: I respectfully disagree, And that's fine.
Speaker 1: And I think it's great that this movie prompts these
Speaker 1: conflicting responses from us and that it still made us
Speaker 1: feel things. I'm so glad you loved it, and I
Speaker 1: do think it will stand the test of time. In
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. For me, this movie ended up
Speaker 1: being a lot quieter and more emotional. And I think
Speaker 1: the thing that I will take from it is that
Speaker 1: moment sitting in the car with my mom after the movie,
Speaker 1: and like that is still a worthwhile reason to make
Speaker 1: art for me to be able to have that moment
Speaker 1: with my mom, And that's beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's like and the movie like it's it's
Speaker 3: the movie like orbits around really really dark ideas around
Speaker 3: real womanhood and really like existential kind of like even
Speaker 3: defeatist ideas about womanhood. Like the the like a lot
Speaker 3: of the characters are like, is it even worth it
Speaker 3: to try and fight something so structurally as big as
Speaker 3: the patriarchy? Like is this even a battle that can
Speaker 3: be fought?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And the movie is kind of like no, like patriarchy
Speaker 3: is never going to be solved in our lifetime, but like,
Speaker 3: isn't it worth it to try? Like That's what I
Speaker 3: love about the movie is that the movie is basically
Speaker 3: just like, isn't it worth it to try and make
Speaker 3: things better? And in the kind of act of that
Speaker 3: make yourself happy and make yourself believe that things can
Speaker 3: be changed Like that, to me, this is the transgressive
Speaker 3: element that I'm talking to you about. Is like there's
Speaker 3: something about that that is kind of about like feminist
Speaker 3: organizing ideas, Like that's really cool. But outside of that,
Speaker 3: most importantly, Phoebe is asking on the lodometer, what is ken?
Speaker 3: And would you suck Ken?
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, I would suck Ken. I did not find
Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling attractive in any of the lead up to
Speaker 1: this film. WHOA, it's not like I thought he was ugly,
Speaker 1: but I won't. No, but it's not but I wasn't
Speaker 1: like would suck? But then watching the movie, I was like,
Speaker 1: would suck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, another important question from Phoebe. Can you talk about
Speaker 3: if you would if you were in the movie, what
Speaker 3: Barbie would you be?
Speaker 1: Do you mean okay, so I'm gonna you kind of
Speaker 1: would be.
Speaker 3: Existential thoughts of death Barbie.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, but let's make up our own because
Speaker 1: I don't want to say like I would be like
Speaker 1: Asa Ray or yeah. No.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Also I thought I thought do a leaper mermaid. Barbie
Speaker 1: was so fucking lame. Well she only had I wish
Speaker 1: another thing that I wish hadn't been spoiled. That would
Speaker 1: have been a gag if it had been a surprise.
Speaker 3: Well, she was exactly. She should have been a surprise.
Speaker 3: She was in the movie as much as she was
Speaker 3: in the trailer.
Speaker 1: But again, like they needed her to market it, and
Speaker 1: like that's why, like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you will never be able to unlink this film from
Speaker 1: its capitalist propaganda, and like whatever, that's fine. It's literally based.
Speaker 3: On adult So you would be fan fiction famous, Barbie.
Speaker 1: Well, I've never been fan fiction fames.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. This is Barbie world, Okay, in
Speaker 3: Barbie World, fan fiction famous maybe, Sorry, I'm just projecting
Speaker 3: this onto you. I'll let you answer your own question.
Speaker 1: I think I'm like suicidal Barbie. No, not even like
Speaker 1: thoughts of death Barbie. No, I'm like impatient Barbie inient
Speaker 1: Barbie or no, no, no here, I'm malgoth Barbie. Mal
Speaker 1: goth Barbie. You're mal goth Barbie. It comes with like
Speaker 1: a hot topic diorama. Yeah, and it is. It is
Speaker 1: like a collab with hot topic. It's yeah, exclusively in stores.
Speaker 3: She comes with like seventy two rubber bracelets.
Speaker 1: Yes, and scene bangs, and like a studded choker, a
Speaker 1: laptop in which she's writing her Harry Potter fan fiction.
Speaker 3: She probably has like bonded genes that like can zip off,
Speaker 3: like they're element that can Like there has to be
Speaker 3: a kind of you know, a kind of like uh attachable,
Speaker 3: detachable element to it.
Speaker 1: She has a functional penis and like a dull kitchen
Speaker 1: knife that she stole that she doesn't exactly cut herself
Speaker 1: with no, but like but like touch lines in her.
Speaker 3: Skin with yeah, yeah, just lines, just lines, Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what Barbie would you be?
Speaker 3: My Barbie would be I don't know, like caffeinated emails Barbie,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, like circling back Barbie, checking in Barbie,
Speaker 3: but I just want to follow up on this Barbie.
Speaker 1: Oh, following up Barbie. God, I know, like space Barbie.
Speaker 3: That is kind of my reputation in previous working years.
Speaker 3: But like I hate doing that now, Like I don't
Speaker 3: want to follow up with anybody on anything, Like I
Speaker 3: hate doing it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. Please don't make me
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, is my actual office Barbie.
Speaker 3: My Barbie would be like trans girls slut organizer. I
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm that's very literal from you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Let's let's rethink that you're gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think you're you're on the list, Barbie. You're on
Speaker 1: the list. Oh, you're like in line outside of the club,
Speaker 1: that's the line. But you're walking up to the bouncer
Speaker 1: at the club. You've got like your little like you're
Speaker 1: in like a Chapololwena skirt. Yes, chapoo awena for Mattel
Speaker 1: and it comes with like a life size skirt for
Speaker 1: your owner Rick Owens Heels. For sure, do you own
Speaker 1: Rick Owens Heels? No? Of course, I see you as
Speaker 1: a I don't see you as a rick Owens girl.
Speaker 1: I'm not here of cyro heels. No, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm That's what I'm saying. I'm reaching high. I can't
Speaker 1: afford Rick Owens. So Barbie has the rick Owens, and
Speaker 1: I know that Rick makes my size. I guess I
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about you size if I'm a Barbie. Actually,
Speaker 1: so if I wanted to wear, You've got a Barbie size.
Speaker 3: Okay, So if I'm wearing anything I want, then I'm
Speaker 3: definitely wearing those bo Takee platform boots, the ones that
Speaker 3: like go up your knee that are just black Chipovi skirt,
Speaker 3: a little bag of coke tucked inside my telfar, Like
Speaker 3: the bag of coke is going to be like like
Speaker 3: a quarter the size of a thumbnail, Like it's got
Speaker 3: to be super super small and really cute.
Speaker 1: And a phone and the screen has like a painted
Speaker 1: on message that it's a textentage just says where are you?
Speaker 1: Where are you? Custom mark?
Speaker 3: Question mark, question mark on the list, Barbie on the list,
Speaker 3: Barbie and Maul coming.
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Speaker 4: Well, there's like artistic time, or there's like drag time.
Speaker 4: I think trans time is like quantum leap, like realms,
Speaker 4: you know, the walls between the world's becoming thin and
Speaker 4: people transversing those you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's Adam Sandler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're combining, You're combining Bruce Almighty and Click, which
Speaker 3: like they are kind of the same movie in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways too, like like Sis had Dad, like
Speaker 3: wish fulfillment controlling everything in his life.
Speaker 2: You know what, though, this is horrible. I love Adam
Speaker 2: Sandler and I love his movies.
Speaker 3: No Please, and people die for click people.
Speaker 1: People are click pills, like a little.
Speaker 2: Sad but like happy Gilmore. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: She eats Billy Madison. She eats like Billy Madison is amazing.
Speaker 1: I've actually never seen The House That Possible.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so funny. I mean, it's a really good movie.
Speaker 3: I love that we're talking about Billy Madison, which is
Speaker 3: kind of the opposite of Barbie culture.
Speaker 1: I don't know here, I don't know. I think they're,
Speaker 1: you know, in the same realm. I'm sure we could
Speaker 1: figure out a way to connect to them. Do we
Speaker 1: think Adam Sandler has ever played with dolls? Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, I would love Adam Sandler's a celebrity that
Speaker 4: I think at this point, I hope gets like a
Speaker 4: legacy doll. You know, they everybody's so focused on getting
Speaker 4: a star on the Walk of Fame or whatever. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: having a doll is five thousand times been in that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I it must be. Like I think I
Speaker 1: always like when you see whatever new sort of like
Speaker 1: diva character actress has like been swept up into the
Speaker 1: Marvel Cinematic universe. The thing they always seem the most
Speaker 1: gagged by is when they get an action figure. So
Speaker 1: I imagine that's like a really like insane experience, one
Speaker 1: that you have some familiarity with.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like winning Drivers is cool. A lot of
Speaker 4: things have been cool. That seeing the doll for the
Speaker 4: first time was like it was like it was like
Speaker 4: fast forward, rewind and fast forward through everything in my
Speaker 4: life up into that moment. It was so crazy, but
Speaker 4: it's still cool. I mean, they're definitely out there sold out.
Speaker 4: I bought twenty five, which I know is insane, but
Speaker 4: I just didn't want to run out and I wanted
Speaker 4: to be able to give them as professional gifts to
Speaker 4: like everyone in my life who I felt want.
Speaker 2: Should to have one.
Speaker 4: And I still probably still have maybe five leftover, because
Speaker 4: I only have one of those Funko pops and that
Speaker 4: those like are impossible to get.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, well, have you ever made two of your
Speaker 1: dolls Scissor.
Speaker 2: I haven't made to my doll Scissor, but I love
Speaker 2: we have one.
Speaker 4: We have the prototype out on a shelf at my
Speaker 4: drag studio and we have some of this other celebrity
Speaker 4: dolls there.
Speaker 2: You know, we have a share.
Speaker 4: We have a Donnie Osmond, we have Twiggy. So sometimes
Speaker 4: it's fun to like have them interact or you know
Speaker 4: what I wanted to do and this was so I
Speaker 4: should have because my doll is by integrity, the same
Speaker 4: people we made Victor RuPaul doll at the middle of
Speaker 4: Poor Doll. And when I was doing Queen of the
Speaker 4: Universe this year, you know the new judges Melb Scary Spice,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I have to bring a scary
Speaker 4: because I have all of the Scary Spice dolls they've
Speaker 4: ever made. I said, I have to bring one, and
Speaker 4: I have to get a picture of her and I
Speaker 4: with our dolls. And I did not have the I
Speaker 4: did not have the strength and the bravery to do that.
Speaker 3: Did you bring the doll and then like pussy out
Speaker 3: or did you like what was the day of the deal.
Speaker 4: Well, David told me to bring one of to bring
Speaker 4: one of the dolls in the packaging and be like
Speaker 4: you have to have her sign it to you, like
Speaker 4: you have to And it was like okay.
Speaker 2: So I got her to do that on the last
Speaker 2: day of filming.
Speaker 4: But I didn't have the courage to pick out because
Speaker 4: I thought, oh, she and I maybe do some kind
Speaker 4: of TikTok or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just trying to be young
Speaker 2: and trying to create content.
Speaker 1: Well there's always next season, babe. Yeah, maybe let's make a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got to be more singing drag queens in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: You have had Rue sign one of your dolls though,
Speaker 3: thus you know, appreciating the value of that doll immensely, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, Rue. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I have all the I have a bunch of
Speaker 4: the RuPaul Integrity dolls from the nine, and I have
Speaker 4: the new Integrity dolls from the twenty you know, tens
Speaker 4: and beyond. And I have the Amanda doll, which I
Speaker 4: think was only available at FAO Schwartz. And one time
Speaker 4: I asked Amanda's like I'm looking for one of your dolls.
Speaker 4: Where do I get one? She was like, I don't
Speaker 4: even know anyone has one. And I found one on
Speaker 4: eBay and David bought it for me.
Speaker 2: It was like eight hundred dollars. But it's amazing. It
Speaker 2: has a pussy, the tits are perfect, Like.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. It's an amazing doll. Because I love Barbie,
Speaker 4: but I love all dolls. I collect all types, even
Speaker 4: though Barbie is like my number one.
Speaker 3: Obviously, an Amandola Poor doll that is like a prize possession,
Speaker 3: Like did the doll of a doll?
Speaker 2: Did it come with it?
Speaker 3: Did it come with like the six or seven other
Speaker 3: like you know kind of bottle boy twink dolls that
Speaker 3: come with the Amandela Poor doll, you know the ones
Speaker 3: that hold the champagne and shake, you know, like.
Speaker 4: One the one that holds the flash yeah, the one
Speaker 4: that just holds the flash yeah yeah. The one that's
Speaker 4: just like eighteen year old eighteen year old non binary
Speaker 4: intern with like flash.
Speaker 1: Yea yeah, who's like and they both kind of smell
Speaker 1: like cigarettes and like cotton candy. Totally