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Speaker 1: And while we're doing you know, shameless self promotion, Fran,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for teeing up my shameless promotion. I mean

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Speaker 3: it's not even promoting me, it's just promoting fun. This weekend,

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Speaker 3: July twenty ninth, I'm working with a bunch of other

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Speaker 3: cool trans people to organize this thing we're calling doll

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Speaker 3: Innovationion on Fire Island. So basically, we're taking over a

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Speaker 1: And it's going to he can How can virgins support

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Speaker 1: this endeavor if they're not going to actually attend.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's another really good question, Rose, Thank you for

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Speaker 3: all that. Wow, Am I am Like am I seated

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Speaker 3: So if you are an affluent gay who is really

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Speaker 3: like me, you can actually support this endeavor by sending

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Speaker 3: me money. All of the money goes to trans labor,

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Speaker 3: trans resources, everything for adult invasion. Anything that's over raised

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Speaker 3: is going to go to for the girls. And that

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Speaker 3: information is all on my Instagram. But basically you can

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Speaker 1: Wow, And you can also do that if you're a

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Speaker 1: And actually, if you're sis hetero, you should donate more.

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Speaker 3: Oh ways, girl, I for this event, which I had

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Speaker 3: So she's hot, she has hot vibes, hot energy, swagger, She's.

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Speaker 1: I also really like Brinn, who's the one whose tagline

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Speaker 1: Is yes, yes, cheesegate. Well, you know, it is crucial

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Speaker 3: I know that Ronie has is like always about like Ronnie,

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Speaker 1: Well, we don't know. We only see what they have

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Speaker 1: Okay, so great TV. Back to Ronnie, this is very important.

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Speaker 3: Phoebe has dropped in the chat that Bethany Frankel is

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Speaker 3: calling for reality stars to unionize. Any thoughts, any commentary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they should. Everyone should unionize. That's true. Everyone support

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Speaker 1: We should put we support any and all unions here

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Speaker 3: you said you have two housewives just like feelings in general.

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Speaker 1: Three I like, I like Uba Brynn and and Jenna Jenna.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I obviously lashed on a Jenna. I said to

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Speaker 3: She's so weird. She's such an anomaly. She's so massively

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Speaker 1: Know who she is. She's like a very if you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think she likes it that way, which

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Speaker 1: Really, she doesn't like it that way. She clearly wants

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Speaker 3: She there really is no housewife like Jenna, Like, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. This song is

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Speaker 3: I think that the little vocal chorus part like would

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Speaker 1: The Lizo song is really good and really funny, so

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Speaker 3: And it sorry not to get into well, well, I'll

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Speaker 1: Minutes, the only one that I liked when I gave

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking about Barbie. We both have seen it,

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Speaker 1: Barbie of it all, don't you. Friend. Yeah, I'm literally

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Speaker 1: into the minutia. And that's what we're going to do today,

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Speaker 1: pieces of culture. We only say whether we think actors

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Speaker 1: and TV shows are hot, and then never give any

433
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Speaker 1: substantial criticism about them. So we're not going to do

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Speaker 1: that today. Well, and that's not even a real thing

435
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Speaker 1: that we do. Who wha wha wha wha wha woa,

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Speaker 1: back up, back up, back up.

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Speaker 3: First of all, that's a completely defamatory thing to say

438
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: about our podcast. We talk a lot about how hot

439
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: actors are, yes, okay, but that.

440
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Speaker 1: We have a whole We have a suckometer for it.

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Speaker 1: We have a suck ometer, low dometer, low dometer, lodometer,

442
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: low dometer. I'm so sorry, Well we need a sucknometer too.

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Speaker 3: But listen, do not come to this podcast for salient

444
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Speaker 3: journalistic like like perfectly executed criticism. Like I know that

445
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: I like coseplay as a critic, but like, look, we're

446
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: not critics. We're friends talking about culture in normal ways,

447
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 3: and you are listening to us like on your commute

448
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: or like in your car or like whatever, and you

449
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: get to pass the time with that, and if you

450
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: don't like it, you can get the fuck out.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do not consider myself a critic. I don't really.

452
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say I don't believe in criticism,

453
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: Like I definitely believe criticism has its place in art,

454
00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not here to offer up a sort of intellectual,

455
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: rualized critique of media. I'm always thinking about things as

456
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: a consumer, as someone who loves and consumes a lot

457
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: of pop culture, and also to do. And we want

458
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: to talk about people whose loads we want to take.

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Speaker 3: Yes, both we can give a salient critique and also

460
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: talk about taking someone's load. Thank you very much, And

461
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 3: let me tell you the duality of tran. Yes, sometimes

462
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: the duality of tran is that sometimes we do actually

463
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: make really great critiques. But like, our job is not

464
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: to critique. Our job is to just like be interesting

465
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 3: while we talk podcast. Yeah, so that you have something

466
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: to do in your spare time, You're welcome and it's free,

467
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: and fuck that person anyway, Barbie, let's talk about Barbie.

468
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Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see if the premise of the

469
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: show is true and that we will have the exact

470
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: opposite take about this movie and almost every part of it. So, Fran,

471
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Speaker 1: what did you think? I loved it? I loved this movie.

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Speaker 1: It's not a perfect movie.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of things in its execution where

474
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Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, I don't know about that,

475
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: but like, overall, ten out of ten, it's gonna be

476
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: nominated for Oscars. I think it's Greta Gerwig's best movie,

477
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: extremely controversial take, and I did not stop having fun,

478
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: did not stop having fun. And I think that that

479
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: was really that was a surprise for me because I

480
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: just like went into this movie expecting it to disappoint

481
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: me because there's been so much hype, right, There's been

482
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: so much chat at this point about the movie. I

483
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: was like, this movie has marketing, yes, so much marketing,

484
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: And I was like, this movie has no choice but

485
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: to fail because I don't trust that Mattel can actually

486
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Speaker 3: start an interesting conversation around Barbie or even like make

487
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: it entertaining. And I also was thinking the movie would

488
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: be more for kids, which it wasn't. I actually think

489
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: it's very explicitly for kids. But we'll discuss. Did you

490
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: see the PG version or the PG thirteen version, because

491
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Speaker 3: there are two different kinds of screenings. No, I saw

492
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: the PG thirteen version. You're like, I'm sure I saw

493
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: the PG thiry. Okay, so that's definitely not for kids.

494
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: Definitely not for kids, Diva. But anyways, Okay, what did

495
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: you think, Rose?

496
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Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I had a lot of fun.

497
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: I was not as bad as I expected to be.

498
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: I know me, you know that I am really here

499
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: to mostly enjoy things, like for the most part, I

500
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: think some of the difference between you and I is

501
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: that you kind of go into things expecting not to

502
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: like them, and I really want to just have fun,

503
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: And especially a movie like this that is such a movie,

504
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: like a summer blockbuster. I was really primed to have

505
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: a fucking blast and love it, and you didn't love it.

506
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I I didn't love it. I really liked it, but

507
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: I did not love it. It was not as funny

508
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: as I thought it would be. I did not laugh

509
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: alloud a lot. Wow. I thought a lot of the

510
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Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you want to call it,

511
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: social commentary or sort of you know, like feminist perspective

512
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Speaker 1: of it was very defanged. I thought it presented, as

513
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Speaker 1: I said before, like presented a lot of ideas and

514
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: asked a lot of questions without ever really trying to

515
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Speaker 1: answer them. And I actually thought some of the performances

516
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: were very underwhelming, specifically Margo robi What yeah, I think

517
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie in a movie called Barbie was basically second

518
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Speaker 1: fiddle to Ken, and that was kind of one of

519
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: my major problems is that Ken was the star of

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Speaker 1: this movie.

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Speaker 3: I wow, I was so I was so buckled in

522
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: for all of that, but that last bit really threw me.

523
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: And I fundamentally disagree. But I don't want to start

524
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: with what we disagree about. Actually, let's start with what

525
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Speaker 3: we Let's start with something that we really agree on.

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Speaker 3: I will say my kind of the only thing that

527
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: I really did not love about the movie was what

528
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: I felt was a very ham fisted hammering of the

529
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Speaker 3: feminist messaging. That this movie is like staked too right,

530
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Speaker 3: Like I I don't feel as you feel that it

531
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: was quote unquote defanged, Like I think that there were

532
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: definitely there's definitely a flattening of feminist ideas that happened

533
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: on screen in order for it to be more accessible

534
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: or for to make more sense. But I think that

535
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: there are many extremely kind of radical ideas about feminism

536
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: introduced in this movie, even if they are kind of

537
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: like sneaky on the side, Like saying that like men

538
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: should be like extracted from siss society and made into

539
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: like a subservient population that is like feeding the dolls

540
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: or whatever. Like that is like there's something about that

541
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Speaker 3: that's like kind of radical. There are a lot of

542
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: elements about the anti manness that a lot of conservative

543
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: presses is a lot of conservative press are saying like

544
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 3: this is so anti man, this is so anti man.

545
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, like yeah, it is, like and like

546
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rings is anti woman, Like yeah, like

547
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: these like movies can be movies can have points of view,

548
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: and I don't I don't think that Greta Gerwig was

549
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: sitting there being like, this movie's going to be so

550
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: anti man. But girl, all of the monologues we got,

551
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: we got so many fucking monologues about women's empowerment, and

552
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: it's like one of them would have really hit home

553
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: for me, Like they were all good, but like I

554
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: only needed one and I was like, at the end

555
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: of the day, the feminist elements of the movie that

556
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: I actually enjoyed were the jokes, like feminism jokes, But

557
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: the ones that I didn't enjoy were the lectures when

558
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 3: I felt like I was being told too.

559
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Obviously I loved America Ferrera's monologue about womanhood.

560
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: Which he helped write apparently, but also.

561
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Speaker 1: Greta Gerwig has already done that in Little Women. Yeah,

562
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: so it is a little bit copy paste, even though

563
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: it's presented in a new way. And I guess some

564
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: of what I feel about it is like they put

565
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: so much obvious feminism in social commentary in the movie

566
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Speaker 1: so that there did not need to be up a

567
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: much deeper reckoning with those ideas, and that in presenting

568
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: them in their most bombastic and spectacular way, that that

569
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: was enough. And I get it, Like this is a

570
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: kid's movie again, Like I know that we want to

571
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: believe that this was made for us, but this is

572
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: a children's movie, and so the ideas in it are

573
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: present and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. But

574
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that the ideas that are presented in

575
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: it are presented in a way that children can understand,

576
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: and that's why they are somewhat simple. And so I'm

577
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: not saying I went into this movie looking for a

578
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: radical presentation of feminism and so I wasn't disappointed by

579
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: not getting one. And I actually think the parts of

580
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: this film that are most transgressive are I'm not joking

581
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: when I say that I think this is a trans movie. Yeah,

582
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to look further than the ending line,

583
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: which some people might have grown at it, but I

584
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: think is pretty fucking punk. The movie ends with Barbie

585
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: going to her guy acologist. I that is fucking sick girl.

586
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: Can we talk about that. Actually, I was going to

587
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: ask you about the last line.

588
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Speaker 1: I'm so you loved it. I'm glad you I loved it.

589
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the scene. I thought it was

590
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: so funny. I loved the scene where Barbie told the

591
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: construction workers that she didn't have a vagina and Ken

592
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: didn't have a penis. Yeah, so funny. They are canonically

593
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: a tea for tea couple. And then I loved the

594
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Barbie is a trans woman like she is. She is

595
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: a she is a D to F trans woman, trans

596
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: she's a P she's plastic to female, she's P to F.

597
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just got a little mound down there. Okay, No,

598
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: I'm glad you like the last line. I thought the

599
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: resolution of the movie was maybe where I felt like

600
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: it was the most this oversimplification thing that you're talking

601
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: about is very true, and I felt like in the

602
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: resolution of the movie, I was like the existentiality and

603
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: the like the the element of the of it where

604
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: it's like no life goes on and dolls are forever

605
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: and so you can be forever, and I thought that

606
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 3: was really cool. Like that I think worked, but the way.

607
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: That profound but also but also this is the thing.

608
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: It's this movie is both profound and vague at the

609
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: it is it is like the rules of this world

610
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: are so unspecified, and that's fine. I love fantasy movies

611
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: or fantastical movies where you never fully understand the rules

612
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: of how the world works. Like I liked that, you know,

613
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: the guys from the boardroom could roller skate into Barbieland

614
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: and we didn't really need to know the mechanics of it.

615
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Or Barbie could like sit on a bench and have

616
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: a vision and we didn't really ask questions about why

617
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: she was able to do that, or she was able

618
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: to turn into a human and we don't really need

619
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: to understand how that happened. But yet those things happen

620
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to see them as being incredibly profound

621
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: and meaningful, but how we got there is like kind

622
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: of a blur. So I do think that takes away

623
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: a bit from how impactful they can be. So it's

624
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: a little bit paradox to me. Yeah, no, I agree.

625
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: The movie is all at once oversimplified and incredibly complex.

626
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: I respond to maximalism. I respond to a lot of

627
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: ideas and a plethora of ideas as opposed to like

628
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: a dearth of ideas or a movie that is trying

629
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: too hard to be safe. Which is part of why

630
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: I just yes love the word dearth. And that's part

631
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: of the reason why I really really love this movie

632
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: is I was just like, maximalism is like subjectively my tea,

633
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: and so I was just having so much fucking fun

634
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 3: throughout this movie. But I wonder if I can kind

635
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: of I really fucking love this movie, and I'm gonna

636
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: go see it again. And I wonder, honestly, when you

637
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: go see it again, because I think you might too.

638
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to say I really want to see

639
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: it again, because I think a lot more could be

640
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: gleaned from a second, closer viewing of it, because I'm

641
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: sure there was stuff that I missed, stuff that will

642
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: hit better or different on the second viewing. And maybe

643
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: once I'm past the initial reaction of seeing this thing

644
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: that we all have been waiting and waiting for and

645
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: anticipating for so long, like, maybe I'll appreciate it more

646
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: as much as I didn't like the quote unquote feminism

647
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: of this movie. It's depiction of womanhood and especially the

648
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: stuff that it did around mothers and daughters, even though

649
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: like that is another place where it was like very

650
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: specific and very vague at the same time, because it's like, yes,

651
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: we get that, there's this whole thing about Ruth Handler

652
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: creating Barbie and now she's Barbie's mother, and Barbie takes

653
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: her daughter's name when she goes in the real world,

654
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: and like Rio Pearlman has that great line that like

655
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: mother stands still so their daughters can look back and

656
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: see how far they've come. Like that's a beautiful line,

657
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's like that's not what

658
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: the whole movie's about. It's kind of like shoehorn In

659
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: in the last act a bit. But I did really

660
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: like it. And I saw this movie with my mom

661
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: and that was a really beautiful experience. And my mom

662
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: loved this movie. And she was very lukewarm about seeing it.

663
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, I'll see it, but like I

664
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: don't really care, and she loved it, and it was like,

665
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: actually really nice to see it with her. And you know,

666
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: Greta Gerwig makes does great storytelling around mothers and daughters.

667
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: And actually, when my mom and I left the movie,

668
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: we were in the car and she was pulling out

669
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: and she looked over and me and she went, aren't

670
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: you so happy that you're a woman?

671
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: And like that was that was very good, good, that's

672
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 3: so cute.

673
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 1: I think maybe this movie is more profound for women

674
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: of my mom's generation, who are somewhat in between the

675
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: time when Barbie was introduced and the world we live,

676
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean kind of directly between the time when Barbie

677
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: was created and where we are now, and the women

678
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: who really are kind of standing still in the middle

679
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: of those two polar opposite sides of womanhood. So I did,

680
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: I did really appreciate that. And then, of course, like

681
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate this film on a technical level, it was

682
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: beautiful to look at. I loved how much you know,

683
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: practical work went into this, Like all this done own

684
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: stage stuff was beautiful. Barbie Land was beautiful. The costumes

685
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: were amazing and so fun.

686
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Like the fact that there's like no water, like there's

687
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 3: no like liquids, right, there's no ocean because you can't

688
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: put that on dolls, and like they're they're feet, the

689
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: flat feet, Like there's so many things where it's like

690
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: cinematic invention, Like just like you, the world building, they

691
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: made me like so happy. Step by step by step,

692
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: it's like every it's like it wasn't enough for us

693
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: to get this huge induction of Barbie World, which was

694
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: so rich. There was so much going on, but like

695
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: throughout the whole film there were these litter reveals that

696
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 3: it's just like, oh yeah, and the Barbie also has

697
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: these like this, these are these ar chibal fashion moments

698
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: which I thought were so cool where they like not.

699
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: The palazzos, not the palazzos, so funny, so many my

700
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: favorite line of the movie.

701
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: But then Harry NEETs screaming flat Feet was definitely one

702
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: of my favorite.

703
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: It was great. So a lot of the references to

704
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: older Barbies, the jokes about Midge were really funny, and

705
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: they showed earring Magic Ken. Yes, I loved Earring Magic

706
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: Ken and Sugar's Daddy and obviously we love we love Alan.

707
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: Alan is a king? What's Alan on the lodometer? I

708
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: would suck I would suck Alan. Okay, so he doesn't

709
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: have genitalia, so right, but but you know what, I

710
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: tweeted that Alan would be ass up in the mojo

711
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 1: dojo Costa house, and someone replied saying that he doesn't

712
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: have genitalia. You know, those barbies can, as I know

713
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: from experience, you can rub their you know, sort of

714
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: like weird blobby genitals against each other and can't make

715
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: magic happen.

716
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: You can pound the mound, so to speak. There were

717
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: certain you're like, I'm not gonna acknowledge that I do.

718
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: Like pound the mound. I there were things that I

719
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: wanted more of, Like I loved Helen Mirren's breaking the

720
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: fourth wall joke about Margot Robbie, like that was GREATA

721
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: I actually think good. I actually think there should have

722
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: been more Helen mirren narration. Yeah, you're gonna if you're

723
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of just device use it more and actually use

724
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: that to give us more of a window into what

725
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: Barbie's thinking as she's trying to grow, because that's the thing.

726
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: Besides a couple moments where Margot Robbie has like a

727
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: single tear or whatever, I found her performance at times

728
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: to be very opaque and like I didn't really understand

729
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: what was going on beneath the surface. And I think

730
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: part of that is because she's literally playing a doll.

731
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: But you know, Barbie is she's like the with the

732
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: Ken of it all. Like Barbie is the she's the

733
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: straight woman in her movie. Yeah, and Ken is the

734
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: one who gets to have all the fun. M Yeah,

735
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: that is kind of that is kind of it. There

736
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: was some fun for Barbie, you know, like I but I.

737
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find common ground in what you're saying,

738
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: because I really I feel like she was perfect for

739
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: this role. I feel like there is a vacuousness and

740
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 3: an emptiness to her and her performance that worked really well.

741
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: I wasn't necessarily I didn't feel that there was an imbalance.

742
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people actually feel like there

743
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: was this kind of like fight between the two leads

744
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: of the film. I honestly was so focused on the ensemble.

745
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: I didn't really feel like the movie had much of

746
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: a primary character. It's just that Barbie was like kind

747
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: of the what everything was orbiting around, like the epicenter.

748
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I will agree with you that there.

749
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: There are moments where Margo Robbie sometimes just plays the

750
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: same shtick over and over again when she needs to

751
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: be something of a cartoon that lacks that like added

752
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: layer like what she does in Ititanya is like like

753
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: to me her one hundred and ten percent, like she's

754
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: so fucking layered and there's so much going on with

755
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: her in Ititania, but something like Birds of Prey, I

756
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 3: was like, you're just it's like line delivery, line delivery,

757
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: line delivery, line delivery, really weird voice and accent like,

758
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: and I feel distracted, and maybe, like with Barbe, it's

759
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: like there's more acting in like the caricature of Barbie

760
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: than there is actually like in the acting.

761
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: And I wasn't mad at that.

762
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: I never there wasn't a moment really during the movie

763
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 3: where I felt like Margot wasn't really delivering. But I

764
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: will agree that she didn't really feel like the lead,

765
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: so to speak. And I don't mind that, no.

766
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: I I guess I was expecting more. And I think

767
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: maybe this might just be a Margot Robbie thing, because

768
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: I am looking back on other performances of hers, and

769
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that she's ever gagged me on screen,

770
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: like I do like her as Harley Quinn and I

771
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: liked the Harley Quinn movie. But even there, I don't

772
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: think she's necessarily like the best part of that movie.

773
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember Ititania? Yeah, I mean Ititanya. She's she's goods.

774
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a while. She's so good

775
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: in that movie. I don't know, but I think it's

776
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: it's not that she was bad, it's that Ryan Gosling

777
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: was just so good, yeah, and was given so much

778
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: more to work with fine that she was just a

779
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: little overshadowed. And also the part that is the part

780
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: of the movie where I guess she does her most growing,

781
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: which is when she's in the human world, was kind

782
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: of my least favorite part of the movie. I actually

783
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: think the second act of this film is its weakest part.

784
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 3: I m okay, I will say so okay, Barbie World

785
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: to human world. It was bound to happen. The parts

786
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 3: of like the kind of human worlds that I did

787
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: like in the second half the movie was everything at

788
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: Mattel Like I thought Will Ferrell. I thought everything was

789
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: perfectly cast. I thought the whole ensemble was so perfectly

790
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: cast to from like, you know, fucking from Ruth to

791
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: Helen Mirren to Lizzo doing the opening song to Will

792
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: Ferrell doing Mattel like. I just thought every every like

793
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: time after time again, I was like, yes, that's exactly.

794
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: Who should be doing this.

795
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: But I think with the will feral stuff, I was

796
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: really shocked, And part of why I really loved the

797
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: movie was by how surprised I was by the lengths

798
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: at which a corporation was willing to make fun of itself,

799
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 3: and not just that, like invest a lot of money

800
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: in completely ridiculing itself, like not just ridiculing its entity,

801
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: but ridiculing a boardroom filled with people that work at

802
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: matel Like that's amazing, Like I cannot believe that that

803
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: version of the script was made, Like isn't that cool?

804
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: I it is cool, but I'm not surprised by it

805
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: at all because it is all to the end of

806
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: selling Barbies. But how could you?

807
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: But the thing is, when has a corporation ever done that.

808
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: Winn has like a piece of intellectual property as big

809
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: as Barbie, or even close to as big as Barbie

810
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: ever been like, yeah, let's make fun of everyone, not

811
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: just the thing that we sell, but everybody that works

812
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: here too, Like Disney's Ratica has.

813
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Been doing that since enchanted with yes way that it

814
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: with the way that it skewers the idea of Disney princesses,

815
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: not the it's not as but yeah no, but it's

816
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: not as pointed. It's not they're not literally putting Disney

817
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: executives in their movie, but they are pretending to be

818
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: in on the joke of the criticism of their very

819
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: product to the ultimate end goal of selling tickets to

820
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: movies and then selling merchandise.

821
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: But the thing is to do that, to do what

822
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 3: Mattel did in and also like have jokes about penises

823
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: vaginas like guynecologists, Like really, I think like layered and

824
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: like sometimes radical feminist ideas in this movie. Like I

825
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: I feel like I want to reward this project, like

826
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: I want to build it up. I feel like, I

827
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: know it's like so stupid because it's like Mattel and

828
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: this is a bajillion dollar entity and they're going to

829
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: make so much money.

830
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: But it's just like I do wish that people went there,

831
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: Like I this is the most fun.

832
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: And I know these we had very different experiences, but like,

833
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: this is the most fun I've had in a theater

834
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 3: since everything everywhere, all at once, and everything everywhere was

835
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: my favorite movie I had seen in years.

836
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Like I loved was not mine.

837
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: I know, I know I and the things that I

838
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: loved about the film were the things that it was

839
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: like unafraid to It was unafraid to be weird, Like

840
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: it wanted to be weird, It wanted to be maximalist.

841
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: It had tons of ideas and decided to go for

842
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: a lot of them. And it didn't try to be perfect.

843
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: It didn't try to be palatable. It didn't try to

844
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: please people. And this movie is extremely unpalatable to its

845
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: target demographic, which is.

846
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: America.

847
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: Like the mainstream midwestern cis America is not something it's

848
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: not I know that. Like honestly, your Mom is like

849
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: a really good example of like the kind of woman

850
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: that actually is perfect for a movie like this. But

851
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 3: the rest of America, Diva is gonna hate this movie,

852
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Or they're not gonna get it,

853
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: or it's gonna be too complicated, or they're gonna think

854
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: it's too weird. And that's why I think it's really

855
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: cool that a movie like this and a movie like

856
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: Everything Everywhere was so successful, not because it's like so

857
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: important for women or not because it's like, oh my god,

858
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: it's like amazing perfect art. It's like, no, it's amazing

859
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 3: because it is a completely original script that ran with

860
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: extremely complicated and weird ideas and pulls it off to

861
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: massive success. That's why I loved it.

862
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, but I was thinking about this earlier,

863
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: like a I think this movie is too big to fail. Yeah, sure,

864
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: like Barbie is an entity and the juggernaut of this

865
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: film are just too big to fail. True. And then

866
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: also I don't actually know if this movie am the

867
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: way it presents is radical when you think about because

868
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: I actually, in seeing this film, I really appreciated our

869
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: episode with Trixy Mattel about Barbie because it made me

870
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: understand that actually this very much fits into the legacy

871
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: of Barbie, which is presenting a product that you are

872
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: unsure if the world is going to receive well, and

873
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: there is actually a lot of opposition to it, and

874
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: it still is a success anyway. So I don't believe

875
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: releasing this movie is like Mattel going against its like

876
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: values or customer base. I think it actually, but it's

877
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: a huge ring. I think it is seemingly very in

878
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: line with what Barbie specifically has always been.

879
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: But that's my point is that if it was too

880
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: big to fail, Mattel very easily could have just made

881
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: this movie directed by Ava DuVernay and then it's just

882
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: like a normal action with the lightest message ever and

883
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: and like maybe a little boring, you know what I mean,

884
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: Like there's a version of this that is just like

885
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: a straightforward, no frills action movie, and they didn't do that,

886
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: you know. I thought, that's like why I was so

887
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: I honestly, here's the thing. If the movie had had

888
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: zero marketing, Like I feel like I would have walked

889
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: into this movie very differently, and I think you would

890
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: have too, And yeah, I don't. I just like thought

891
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: that something this huge would not have any sort of

892
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: like legs to stand on in the art, in the

893
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: art realm, Like I didn't think it was gonna be

894
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: good art, and I didn't think it was going to

895
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: be good critique. And I thought it was great art,

896
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: and I thought it was great critique.

897
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: That is where I will have to disagree with you

898
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, because like aska, so, I want to

899
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: circle back to what I kind of briefly touched on

900
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: and talking about Oppenheimer, which is that Oppenheimer record.

901
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: Do you enjoy Oppenheiber more than Barbie?

902
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: Right here right now? In a while to say with it,

903
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: but maybe possible. Ah, it's it's possible.

904
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: I think you're just being contrarian.

905
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer is very much about someone reckoning with the dangerous,

906
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: world altering thing that they've introduced into the world and

907
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: being haunted by that. I do believe that Barbie presents

908
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: that same idea and quandary, but ultimately does not really

909
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: answer it and kind of just shrugs its shoulders. Like

910
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: even at the end when America Ferrera is like, let's

911
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: make an ordinary Barbie. Yeah, you know, it's kind of like, okay, sure,

912
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: it's all. Well, it's like and that's it, and that's

913
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: the resolution of the of this huge question. It's like,

914
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: is Barbie is Barbie good? Does Barbie make women hate themselves?

915
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: Or does Barbie build women up? And you know, we've

916
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: been on this journey with stereotypical Barbie the whole movie,

917
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: realizing that the world that exists in barbieland where they

918
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: think they've solved the problems of feminism does not exist

919
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: in the real world, and being tasked with figuring out

920
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: if she is complicit in that, and that question is

921
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: never answered. Well, I know that question doesn't really have

922
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: an answer yeah, But then I'm like, then why even

923
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: ask the question? Well, the thing okay, So here's the

924
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: thing though, is I agree that the question is not

925
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: necessarily I feel like the problems of feminism are not

926
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: resolved in the movie, yes, because they are not resolved

927
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: in real life. I mean the resolved in barbieland it

928
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: looks like, which I think is cool, and I think

929
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: that that is part of I think that's the part

930
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: of the appeal for me, is that the movie.

931
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 3: Was disinterested necessary and having a perfectly succinct answer as

932
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 3: to like how we can do better. But the movie

933
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: definitely made Barbie complicit, like one hundred percent. I think

934
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: it said, yes, Barbie is complicit.

935
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: In this, this, and this.

936
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: The reasons that I feel and I know I keep saying,

937
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: like the word radical, I should like back off of

938
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: that because it's not that radical. But like, the reason

939
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: I did say that is because, like, this movie is

940
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: educating a massive population of people around ideas that they

941
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: otherwise never would.

942
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: Have heard of.

943
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: Like, oh, you mean like the twenty five thousand times

944
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: they say the word patriarchy. No, I hate that, hate that.

945
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 3: Let me tell you if there's one thing that this

946
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: movie could have done without. It's like they needed to

947
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: say patriarchy and feminism like fifty times less, Like we

948
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: needed patriarchy said like two or three times, and feminism

949
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: said once and just for jokes, and the rest was

950
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: like it's like, girl, you don't have to say it,

951
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: say something else, you don't have to say it. Like

952
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: it's so annoying.

953
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: I will never forgive Ken and possibly this movie as

954
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: a whole for making horses something that are tied to men.

955
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: I love that horses are for girls. It is horse girls,

956
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: not horse. Ken's okay as a crowd horse girl by

957
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: this message.

958
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: Slash buy our horse girl t shirt on like a

959
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: Virgin four twenty sixty nine dot com. Things that were

960
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: radical on the educating level, Like if Trixy hadn't told us,

961
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: I never would have thought about the fact that dolls

962
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: only existed as baby dolls until Barbie came along. Did

963
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 3: not know that before Trixy not have known that before

964
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: this film. That's like, so that's like an immaculate way

965
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: to set up Barbie as like an actual kind of

966
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 3: like Trailblazer or whatever. But like the things about this

967
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: where I was just like WHOA. First of all, the

968
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: genitalia stuff. I was like, I can't believe they said that.

969
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: That felt so cool and weird and fun to do.

970
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: I thought that weird Barbie being in this movie was

971
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: also like, it's like showing this way that like you

972
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: play with your doll too hard and that happens to

973
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 3: your adulta sometimes is like that's a thing that happens,

974
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 3: Like people do that, and like for MATEL to be like, yes,

975
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: people do that, and it's okay if your Barbie is weird,

976
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: you know, Like but like with the feminism of it all, yeah, okay,

977
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: I think that the move the word feminism was said

978
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: too many times as and as I said, there were

979
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: too many monologues about it. It's just like we only

980
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: needed one monologue, but there were so many different tangents

981
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: that didn't work. But like for the movie to kind

982
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: of have this like war of the sexes, like the

983
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 3: Battle of the Sexes, I thought that was really smart.

984
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: And then for it to be a kind of swindling

985
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: of an entire gender to usurp them and to prevent

986
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 3: them from voting in the constitution, that's like, again, I'm

987
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: not going to say radical. I need to find a

988
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: different word to say it.

989
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: But like that's transgressive word. Thank you, That is the word.

990
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: That's extremely transgressive, Like for for Ken and the other

991
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: Ken's to have this like intercommunal conversation to be like

992
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: we are the arbiters of to basically figure out that

993
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 3: they are the arbiters of their own suffering, right like

994
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: that that is something that they are all responsible for,

995
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: even though they didn't realize it. That's like Bell Hooks.

996
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: That's like literally Bell Hooksy and Bill Hooks wrote the script.

997
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: Yes, but and that's the thing is like I wouldn't

998
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: be saying any of this ship but it's Greta Gerwig.

999
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 3: She's a smart fucking person. And this movie and Bombach

1000
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: never forget that, right, right right? Bombak did cot this

1001
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: movie with her right written by a man. I actually,

1002
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: oh god, I god, I wanted to forget that. Greta

1003
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: listen this. I like this movie so much that the

1004
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: next day I went and watched Francis Ha because I

1005
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: was like, let me, let me tell you, I forgot

1006
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: what this movie was about, and so let me go

1007
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: and watch it again. And it's like the opposite of

1008
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: Barbie in that like Barbie is like what can Greta do?

1009
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: With the most and Francis Haw is like, what can

1010
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: Greta do with the least? Well, she didn't direct Francis Haw,

1011
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: but she was. She didn't she write it.

1012
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never seen it.

1013
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 3: Actually, Yes, Noah directed this movie. Sorry, but they made

1014
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 3: it together. Same with Barbie. It's like they made it together,

1015
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: the creative collaborators. Something that I loved in thinking about

1016
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: Francis hat to Barbie was like that Greta Gerwig's brain

1017
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: is like really crowded, and I think that's cool. Like

1018
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: I like that there was so much going on and

1019
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, it made me feel seen like my

1020
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: brain is really crowded, you know. But yeah, no, I

1021
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 3: guess it's probably Noah's brain too, huh.

1022
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: I do think I I think Whoever's brain. It was

1023
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: like they're very clever. Like I didn't think this movie

1024
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: was laugh out loud hilarious, but I thought it was

1025
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: very clever and that is still very worthwhile to me

1026
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: as an audience member, as a consumer of art. And

1027
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: like again, I did really like the movie and I

1028
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: had fun. I just I thought this movie was going

1029
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: to be something that I would love. It felt like

1030
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: primed for me to love it one thousand percent, and

1031
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: it seems like everyone else I know is loving it

1032
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: that much, and I didn't see that's fine, that's fine,

1033
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: it's fine. It's fine to just like a movie and

1034
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: really enjoy it. It's fine. But I'm not going to

1035
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: like make Barbie my whole personality, you know, And that's okay.

1036
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to No, I'm not. I can't.

1037
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 3: That'd be way too basic, But I will say, okay.

1038
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 3: When I walked out the movie, I obviously immediately thought

1039
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 3: of you, and I was like, I know Rose is

1040
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 3: gonna hate the volume of kind of talkie feminist stuff

1041
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: that happened in this movie, as did I. I was like,

1042
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 3: I know that's something Rose is gonna respond negatively too.

1043
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: But I thought that you were just I thought you

1044
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 3: were gonna love like weird Barbie. And I thought you

1045
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: were gonna love like the contemplations of death, and I

1046
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,959
Speaker 3: thought the existentialism again transgressive. I thought you were gonna

1047
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 3: love like the fashion moments. I thought you were gonna

1048
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: love the fact that like that, like that there's no

1049
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 3: the plate, the things that are like child's play, like

1050
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: that there's no water and you pretend to eat food.

1051
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: I was like, that's very rose. But you know what,

1052
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: I would have loved all that stuff if I hadn't

1053
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: seen it all before the movie came out. Yeah, China. Yeah.

1054
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: Was given away about this movie in trailers, in profiles

1055
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: and interviews, and like, that's part of the problem is

1056
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: the insane lead up to this movie. We were given

1057
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: so much because this movie had to be a huge success,

1058
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: so they pulled every lever they had, and to me,

1059
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: that's too many levers. I needed a lot more of

1060
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: this to be shrouded in mystery, because the stuff with

1061
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: like no juice in the cup was like in the

1062
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: New Yorker story about Mattel or like in one of

1063
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: the Margo Robi profiles, and like the you know, like

1064
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: all of those other all of these other little things

1065
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: were all spoiled. And you know, me, I don't really

1066
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,959
Speaker 1: care about spoilers, but for something like this, I wish

1067
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: some of the magic had been reserved for the movie

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Speaker 1: theater experience, because this is a movie that is really magical.

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Speaker 1: But we knew the conceit of it so for so long.

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Speaker 1: See when that first trailer was released, But.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing is, we actually didn't really know exactly

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Speaker 3: the plot. Like we saw a lot of images, and

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Speaker 3: I agree that there was too much. There was too

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Speaker 3: much spoiled for the movie. I agree, But here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Everything that was spoiled for me personally was just the

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Speaker 3: tip of the iceberg of what I experienced in the

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Speaker 3: maximalism that was that movie. I you know, I just

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Speaker 3: I respectfully disagree, And that's fine.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's great that this movie prompts these

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Speaker 1: conflicting responses from us and that it still made us

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Speaker 1: feel things. I'm so glad you loved it, and I

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Speaker 1: do think it will stand the test of time. In

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. For me, this movie ended up

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Speaker 1: being a lot quieter and more emotional. And I think

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Speaker 1: the thing that I will take from it is that

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Speaker 1: moment sitting in the car with my mom after the movie,

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Speaker 1: and like that is still a worthwhile reason to make

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Speaker 1: art for me to be able to have that moment

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Speaker 1: with my mom, And that's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's like and the movie like it's it's

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Speaker 3: the movie like orbits around really really dark ideas around

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Speaker 3: real womanhood and really like existential kind of like even

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Speaker 3: defeatist ideas about womanhood. Like the the like a lot

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Speaker 3: of the characters are like, is it even worth it

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Speaker 3: to try and fight something so structurally as big as

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Speaker 3: the patriarchy? Like is this even a battle that can

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Speaker 3: be fought?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: And the movie is kind of like no, like patriarchy

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Speaker 3: is never going to be solved in our lifetime, but like,

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Speaker 3: isn't it worth it to try? Like That's what I

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Speaker 3: love about the movie is that the movie is basically

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Speaker 3: just like, isn't it worth it to try and make

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Speaker 3: things better? And in the kind of act of that

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Speaker 3: make yourself happy and make yourself believe that things can

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Speaker 3: be changed Like that, to me, this is the transgressive

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Speaker 3: element that I'm talking to you about. Is like there's

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Speaker 3: something about that that is kind of about like feminist

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Speaker 3: organizing ideas, Like that's really cool. But outside of that,

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Speaker 3: most importantly, Phoebe is asking on the lodometer, what is ken?

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01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 3: And would you suck Ken?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, I would suck Ken. I did not find

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Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling attractive in any of the lead up to

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Speaker 1: this film. WHOA, it's not like I thought he was ugly,

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Speaker 1: but I won't. No, but it's not but I wasn't

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Speaker 1: like would suck? But then watching the movie, I was like,

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Speaker 1: would suck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, another important question from Phoebe. Can you talk about

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Speaker 3: if you would if you were in the movie, what

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Speaker 3: Barbie would you be?

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Speaker 1: Do you mean okay, so I'm gonna you kind of

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01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: would be.

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Speaker 3: Existential thoughts of death Barbie.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, but let's make up our own because

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say like I would be like

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Speaker 1: Asa Ray or yeah. No.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Also I thought I thought do a leaper mermaid. Barbie

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Speaker 1: was so fucking lame. Well she only had I wish

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Speaker 1: another thing that I wish hadn't been spoiled. That would

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: have been a gag if it had been a surprise.

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Speaker 3: Well, she was exactly. She should have been a surprise.

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01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 3: She was in the movie as much as she was

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Speaker 3: in the trailer.

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Speaker 1: But again, like they needed her to market it, and

1136
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: like that's why, like at the end of the day,

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01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: you will never be able to unlink this film from

1138
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: its capitalist propaganda, and like whatever, that's fine. It's literally based.

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Speaker 3: On adult So you would be fan fiction famous, Barbie.

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01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: Well, I've never been fan fiction fames.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. This is Barbie world, Okay, in

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Speaker 3: Barbie World, fan fiction famous maybe, Sorry, I'm just projecting

1143
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Speaker 3: this onto you. I'll let you answer your own question.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm like suicidal Barbie. No, not even like

1145
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: thoughts of death Barbie. No, I'm like impatient Barbie inient

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01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: Barbie or no, no, no here, I'm malgoth Barbie. Mal

1147
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: goth Barbie. You're mal goth Barbie. It comes with like

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Speaker 1: a hot topic diorama. Yeah, and it is. It is

1149
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: like a collab with hot topic. It's yeah, exclusively in stores.

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Speaker 3: She comes with like seventy two rubber bracelets.

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01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: Yes, and scene bangs, and like a studded choker, a

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01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: laptop in which she's writing her Harry Potter fan fiction.

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01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: She probably has like bonded genes that like can zip off,

1154
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 3: like they're element that can Like there has to be

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01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 3: a kind of you know, a kind of like uh attachable,

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01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 3: detachable element to it.

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01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: She has a functional penis and like a dull kitchen

1158
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: knife that she stole that she doesn't exactly cut herself

1159
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: with no, but like but like touch lines in her.

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Speaker 3: Skin with yeah, yeah, just lines, just lines, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what Barbie would you be?

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Speaker 3: My Barbie would be I don't know, like caffeinated emails Barbie,

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 3: like I don't know, like circling back Barbie, checking in Barbie,

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Speaker 3: but I just want to follow up on this Barbie.

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01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: Oh, following up Barbie. God, I know, like space Barbie.

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Speaker 3: That is kind of my reputation in previous working years.

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Speaker 3: But like I hate doing that now, Like I don't

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Speaker 3: want to follow up with anybody on anything, Like I

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Speaker 3: hate doing it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. Please don't make me

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Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, is my actual office Barbie.

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Speaker 3: My Barbie would be like trans girls slut organizer. I

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01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm that's very literal from you.

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01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Let's let's rethink that you're gonna be.

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Speaker 1: I think you're you're on the list, Barbie. You're on

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01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: the list. Oh, you're like in line outside of the club,

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Speaker 1: that's the line. But you're walking up to the bouncer

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01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: at the club. You've got like your little like you're

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01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: in like a Chapololwena skirt. Yes, chapoo awena for Mattel

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01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: and it comes with like a life size skirt for

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01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: your owner Rick Owens Heels. For sure, do you own

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01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: Rick Owens Heels? No? Of course, I see you as

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01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: a I don't see you as a rick Owens girl.

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01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm not here of cyro heels. No, no, no, I'm

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01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm That's what I'm saying. I'm reaching high. I can't

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Speaker 1: afford Rick Owens. So Barbie has the rick Owens, and

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Speaker 1: I know that Rick makes my size. I guess I

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01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about you size if I'm a Barbie. Actually,

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Speaker 1: so if I wanted to wear, You've got a Barbie size.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So if I'm wearing anything I want, then I'm

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 3: definitely wearing those bo Takee platform boots, the ones that

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01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 3: like go up your knee that are just black Chipovi skirt,

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01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 3: a little bag of coke tucked inside my telfar, Like

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 3: the bag of coke is going to be like like

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Speaker 3: a quarter the size of a thumbnail, Like it's got

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Speaker 3: to be super super small and really cute.

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Speaker 1: And a phone and the screen has like a painted

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01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: on message that it's a textentage just says where are you?

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Speaker 1: Where are you? Custom mark?

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Speaker 3: Question mark, question mark on the list, Barbie on the list,

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Speaker 3: Barbie and Maul coming.

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01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: To target near you in twenty twenty. Number Barbie's slide

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Speaker 1: intoward TMS and let us know what you thought of Barbie?

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Speaker 1: Did you agree with my take? Did you agree with

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01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,839
Speaker 1: frands take? Are you somewhere in the middle? What Barbie

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: are you? We want to know. Also, you can be

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Speaker 1: anywhere you want at.

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Speaker 3: you like.

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Speaker 1: Like a Virgin is an iHeartRadio production. Our producer is

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Speaker 1: Phoebe Unter, with support from Lindsay Hoffman and Nikki Etour.

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Speaker 1: Until next week.

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Speaker 3: Bye Barbie, Bye Barbie, Bye Barbie, Bye Barbie.

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Speaker 1: Bye Baby, Bye Barbie. Nice. I was hoping you would

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Speaker 1: go low for that last one. And here's a clip

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Speaker 4: Well, there's like artistic time, or there's like drag time.

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Speaker 4: I think trans time is like quantum leap, like realms,

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Speaker 4: you know, the walls between the world's becoming thin and

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Speaker 4: people transversing those you know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Adam Sandler.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're combining, You're combining Bruce Almighty and Click, which

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01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 3: like they are kind of the same movie in a

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Speaker 3: lot of ways too, like like Sis had Dad, like

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Speaker 3: wish fulfillment controlling everything in his life.

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Speaker 2: You know what, though, this is horrible. I love Adam

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Speaker 2: Sandler and I love his movies.

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Speaker 3: No Please, and people die for click people.

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Speaker 1: People are click pills, like a little.

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Speaker 2: Sad but like happy Gilmore. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: She eats Billy Madison. She eats like Billy Madison is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I've actually never seen The House That Possible.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so funny. I mean, it's a really good movie.

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Speaker 3: I love that we're talking about Billy Madison, which is

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Speaker 3: kind of the opposite of Barbie culture.

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Speaker 1: I don't know here, I don't know. I think they're,

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01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, in the same realm. I'm sure we could

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Speaker 1: figure out a way to connect to them. Do we

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Speaker 1: think Adam Sandler has ever played with dolls? Uh?

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Speaker 4: You know, I would love Adam Sandler's a celebrity that

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Speaker 4: I think at this point, I hope gets like a

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Speaker 4: legacy doll. You know, they everybody's so focused on getting

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Speaker 4: a star on the Walk of Fame or whatever. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: having a doll is five thousand times been in that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I it must be. Like I think I

1253
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: always like when you see whatever new sort of like

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Speaker 1: diva character actress has like been swept up into the

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Speaker 1: Marvel Cinematic universe. The thing they always seem the most

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Speaker 1: gagged by is when they get an action figure. So

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Speaker 1: I imagine that's like a really like insane experience, one

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Speaker 1: that you have some familiarity with.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like winning Drivers is cool. A lot of

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Speaker 4: things have been cool. That seeing the doll for the

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Speaker 4: first time was like it was like it was like

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Speaker 4: fast forward, rewind and fast forward through everything in my

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Speaker 4: life up into that moment. It was so crazy, but

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Speaker 4: it's still cool. I mean, they're definitely out there sold out.

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Speaker 4: I bought twenty five, which I know is insane, but

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Speaker 4: I just didn't want to run out and I wanted

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Speaker 4: to be able to give them as professional gifts to

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Speaker 4: like everyone in my life who I felt want.

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Speaker 2: Should to have one.

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Speaker 4: And I still probably still have maybe five leftover, because

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Speaker 4: I only have one of those Funko pops and that

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Speaker 4: those like are impossible to get.

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, well, have you ever made two of your

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Speaker 1: dolls Scissor.

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Speaker 2: I haven't made to my doll Scissor, but I love

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Speaker 2: we have one.

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Speaker 4: We have the prototype out on a shelf at my

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Speaker 4: drag studio and we have some of this other celebrity

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Speaker 4: dolls there.

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Speaker 2: You know, we have a share.

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Speaker 4: We have a Donnie Osmond, we have Twiggy. So sometimes

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Speaker 4: it's fun to like have them interact or you know

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Speaker 4: what I wanted to do and this was so I

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Speaker 4: should have because my doll is by integrity, the same

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Speaker 4: people we made Victor RuPaul doll at the middle of

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Speaker 4: Poor Doll. And when I was doing Queen of the

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Speaker 4: Universe this year, you know the new judges Melb Scary Spice,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I have to bring a scary

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Speaker 4: because I have all of the Scary Spice dolls they've

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Speaker 4: ever made. I said, I have to bring one, and

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Speaker 4: I have to get a picture of her and I

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Speaker 4: with our dolls. And I did not have the I

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Speaker 4: did not have the strength and the bravery to do that.

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Speaker 3: Did you bring the doll and then like pussy out

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Speaker 3: or did you like what was the day of the deal.

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Speaker 4: Well, David told me to bring one of to bring

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Speaker 4: one of the dolls in the packaging and be like

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Speaker 4: you have to have her sign it to you, like

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Speaker 4: you have to And it was like okay.

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Speaker 2: So I got her to do that on the last

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Speaker 2: day of filming.

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Speaker 4: But I didn't have the courage to pick out because

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Speaker 4: I thought, oh, she and I maybe do some kind

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Speaker 4: of TikTok or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just trying to be young

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Speaker 2: and trying to create content.

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Speaker 1: Well there's always next season, babe. Yeah, maybe let's make a.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got to be more singing drag queens in

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 3: You have had Rue sign one of your dolls though,

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Speaker 3: thus you know, appreciating the value of that doll immensely, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Rue. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have all the I have a bunch of

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Speaker 4: the RuPaul Integrity dolls from the nine, and I have

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Speaker 4: the new Integrity dolls from the twenty you know, tens

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Speaker 4: and beyond. And I have the Amanda doll, which I

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Speaker 4: think was only available at FAO Schwartz. And one time

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Speaker 4: I asked Amanda's like I'm looking for one of your dolls.

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Speaker 4: Where do I get one? She was like, I don't

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Speaker 4: even know anyone has one. And I found one on

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Speaker 4: eBay and David bought it for me.

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Speaker 2: It was like eight hundred dollars. But it's amazing. It

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Speaker 2: has a pussy, the tits are perfect, Like.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing. It's an amazing doll. Because I love Barbie,

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Speaker 4: but I love all dolls. I collect all types, even

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Speaker 4: though Barbie is like my number one.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, an Amandola Poor doll that is like a prize possession,

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Speaker 3: Like did the doll of a doll?

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Speaker 2: Did it come with it?

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Speaker 3: Did it come with like the six or seven other

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Speaker 3: like you know kind of bottle boy twink dolls that

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Speaker 3: come with the Amandela Poor doll, you know the ones

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Speaker 3: that hold the champagne and shake, you know, like.

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Speaker 4: One the one that holds the flash yeah, the one

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Speaker 4: that just holds the flash yeah yeah. The one that's

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Speaker 4: just like eighteen year old eighteen year old non binary

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Speaker 4: intern with like flash.

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Speaker 1: Yea yeah, who's like and they both kind of smell

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Speaker 1: like cigarettes and like cotton candy. Totally