1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and Jatti and he Armstrong and Yetty. 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: And we canceled the meeting with President Putin. 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: It just it didn't feel right to me. It didn't 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: feel like we were going to get to the place 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: we have to get. So I canceled it. But we'll 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: do it in the future. Good. I'm glad Trump canceled 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: the meeting. But that's not all what he did yesterday, 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: As reported on CNN and other places. 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: This is the first time we're seeing him actually go 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: through with this step. The Treasury Department posting about these 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: imposing sanctions on Russia's two largest oil companies. And these 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: are not just secondary terraces, which was the original threat 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: that it was going to be sanctions on countries like 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: China or India who buy their oil from Russia. No, 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: he is actually sanctioning the Russian oil companies. He's saying 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: that he hopes that this helps Putin come to his senses, 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: that it helps it helps him be reasonable. 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: So Mark Cowpern's newsletter that I read every morning said 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: that this is the most uncovered major story of the 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: current news cycle. President Trump's coalition of the Willing. The 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: United States and Europe are united in putting serious pressure 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: on Putin economically to come to the table and end 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: the war. Significant new US energy sanctions on oil, new 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: capacities for Ukrainians, hit Russia with long range missiles, not 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: the Tomahawks, which we're going to talk about soon, but 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: other equipment that they hadn't had before, new European economic sanctions. 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Why they haven't sanctioned Russia to the hilt already, I 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: don't quite get. And new European efforts to use frozen 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: Russian assets to aid Kiev, which is another thing I 32 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: can't believe it took till now to decide to use 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: that money that they had seized from Russia back at 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: the beginning of the war. As to the oil set 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: and how big a deal they are, I came across 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: this from Ian Bremer last night. If I can find it, 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: which is right whereas it's here close, I don't know 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: where I put it here? We got any gain it 39 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: on it was He was making the point that anybody 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: thinks that that says Trump is a stooge of Putin 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: is just going with a tired, too stupid story, because 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: these are very serious sanctions that Trump had been holding 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: off on for quite a while and has now decided, Yeah, 44 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. 45 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, even that statement, though, we need Putin to come 46 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: to his senses. His senses are perfectly fine. He's doing 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: precisely what he wants to do deliberately. I just the 48 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: thing that bothers me is not that Trump is Putin stooge, 49 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: but that he's been inexplicably slow in waking up to 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 4: who Putin is. The idea we got a great relationship. 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 4: I call him and then he's bombs more. I don't 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 4: get it. 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: No, I think hit it, start getting it. I think 54 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: that's I hope that's a psychological thing. He just he's 55 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: trying to do the presumed close thing. But it's not 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: gonna work on Putin right right, Just keep calling him 57 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: a nice guy, even though you both you know he's 58 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: a crook, and he knows you know he's a crook, 59 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: but you keep saying the nice guy stuff. Well, a 60 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: crooking a monster. 61 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: I mean, my god, they deliberately bombed a kindergarten the 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 4: other day to try to terrorize the Ukrainian people onto 63 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: their knees. 64 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: Pretty freak. It's unbelievable. You know. 65 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 4: The other headline, US lifts key restrictions on Ukraine's use 66 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: of European long range missiles, going deeper and deeper into 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: Russia with more armaments. As you said, not the tomahawks. 68 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: But let's not get fixated on that. 69 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: It was funny. 70 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 4: Trump made the same argument that our friend Mike Lyons 71 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: made at the very beginning of this take too long 72 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 4: to train him. 73 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's hear it. Let's hear it. Here, here's 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: a reporter asking Trump about why not the tomahawks. Go ahead? 75 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: Well, the problem with the tomahawks that a lot of 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: people don't know. 77 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: It'll take a minimum. 78 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: Of six months, usually a year to learn how to 79 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: use them. 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: They're highly complex. 81 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: So the only way of tomahawk is going to be 82 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: shot is if we shot it, and we're not going 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: to do that. But there is a tremendous learning curve 84 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: with the tomahawk. It's a very powerful weapon, very accurate weapon, 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: and maybe that's what makes it so complex. 86 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: But it will take a year. 87 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: It takes a year of intense training to learn how 88 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: to use it, and that's right. 89 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: Is it six months or a year? And in six 90 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 4: months the war is still going to be going on. 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: Right. But Mike Liines made the point last week that 92 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: they're so far have only been shot from ships. There's 93 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: no land based way to shoot a tomahawk, And they 94 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: say that maybe they have one now, but it's never 95 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: been used before. It'd be a brand new thing. That's 96 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: an issue for sure. 97 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and if that's classified and trumble staying away from that, 98 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: that's fine. I get it, that's justified. But no, Putin 99 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: is not going to be persuaded to stop. He has 100 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 4: a megalomaniac's goal to restore the glory of the Soviet Empire. 101 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: And the senator with the biggest arms in the chambers, 102 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, said this about how we bring 103 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: down Russia. 104 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 5: Putin's conversation with the president is one thing, but his 105 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 5: actions aren't following it up. And if Putin isn't going 106 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 5: to be somebody that's trustworthy that's going to negotiate in 107 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 5: on his terms, the best same thing we can do 108 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 5: is go after his you know, his economy. If you 109 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 5: start putting the economic woes and start damaging their economy 110 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 5: even farther. I believe this is what will bring Putin 111 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 5: to the table. Other than that, nothing else seems to work, 112 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 5: and the President has been very frustrated with this. 113 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: So what do you think. Do you think Putin can 114 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: get damaged enough economically that he would actually lose face, 115 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: lose Ukraine. Ah? 116 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 4: Yes, but given his megalomania as I was describing, it 117 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: should have happened already. The rates of their losses are horrific. 118 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: They lose as many guys in a month as they 119 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: lost during their ten years in Afghanistan. And that broke 120 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 4: apart from the Soviet Union to a large extent because 121 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: of the expense of it, among other things. In the 122 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 4: arms race, it's more compiscated than that. But and then 123 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: the damage to the economy that's already been done, although 124 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 4: they're switching down to a war economy, which is I 125 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 4: don't know. That's like methadone to get you off a heroin. 126 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 4: It worked for a while. Yeah, it's going to take 127 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: some serious squeezing to get them to come correct. 128 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. They lose as many dudes in a handful of 129 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: months as we lost in the entire Vietnam War. Which 130 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: was a national crisis that spread out over fifteen years. 131 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Yeah, it's really astounding that this is happening. 132 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 4: If you divorce yourself from the horror of it, the 133 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: politics of it, and the fact that it's already that 134 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: it's happening right now as we speak, if you just 135 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: look at it like as a case study in politics 136 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 4: and war, it's extraordinary. 137 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: It's borderline sidel Yeah, it could make the history books. Definitely, 138 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: is like a turning point for that old country. Yeah, 139 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: so young men that they won't have. 140 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: It's incredibly ill advised on virtually every level. But I 141 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 4: don't think he's half a crazy, isn't he? 142 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was about to say. 143 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Putin it's not like psychotic crazy, but 144 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: obsessed crazy and an egomaniac. 145 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: And you can't blame him. 146 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 4: I mean, he he's the successful dictator of an empire. 147 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: Well, he scored six goals against NHL players. 148 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: That's good point. Hell of a skater. Two turns on 149 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: a dime, like he was like fifty five when he 150 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: did that, well and right, and his wristshot is like 151 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: twelve miles per hour. I mean a child could stop it. 152 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: But he's so elusive and skilled that that went right 153 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: by the goalie over and over again. 154 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: And he's a really lucky guy in that any of 155 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: his opponents trip near open windows and tumble on the 156 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: dead right right. 157 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: Oh, speaking of great athletes, one of California's most storied 158 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: transgender athletes is hanging up his high school career, whooping 159 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: up on girls and really successful in multiple sports. 160 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: Jack. 161 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: Isn't that surprising? No, not really, because it's a dude 162 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 4: playing against girls. But we'll celebrate great career later. 163 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: I don't know that story. I want to hear that. 164 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: Speaking of sports, the big NBA scandal, if you haven't 165 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: heard it, thirty one arrests, including a current head coach 166 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: from the Portland Trailblazers and another player were several caught 167 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: up in a gambling ring, some of it having to 168 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: do with games, a lot of it having to do 169 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: with illegal poker and ripping people off for the tune 170 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: of tens of millions of dollars. Can't wait to hear 171 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: how this whole. The thing I want to know most 172 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: is did the players who faked injuries or whatever they 173 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: did in games, were they driven to that by gambling losses. 174 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. If it has got 175 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: to be almost has to be that that wasn't the 176 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: original plan. I know how I'm gonna make money. I'm 177 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: gonna fake injuries during games and reput all. 178 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 4: Given what NBA players make, how much would you have 179 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 4: to pay them to make a significant difference in their lifestyle? 180 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: Right? 181 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: It would be mind boggling amounts of money. It would 182 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: make sense. 183 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: So our theory is that like Chauncey Billups or that 184 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: what's his name Rosier NBA player that pretended to get 185 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: hurt nine minutes doing a game, that they got themselves 186 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: into a pickle gambling wise in these illegal poker games, 187 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: and then the mob came to him. And it's four 188 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: of the five biggest mob crime families that make all 189 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: the documentaries that you've heard of for years, and you 190 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: keep hearing. I've been hearing my entire life that that 191 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: is overking my whole life since I was a little kid. 192 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: Of course, that was the old days. The mafia doesn't 193 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: really exist any extent anymore. And then it just continues. 194 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean they were operating a tens of millions of 195 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: dollar the poker ring across eleven states. 196 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 4: All right, Well that's funny. Since I was a little kid, 197 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: the Mafia has been pushing hard the notion that the 198 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 4: mafia doesn't exist, right, you're talking about that stuff in movies. 199 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 4: That doesn't e We going to. 200 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: Go along with it anyway. 201 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 6: So guys, I was I just read that Chauncey Billips 202 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 6: was paid apparently by the mafia to be at these games, 203 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 6: at these. 204 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: Poker games, so he was a face. Yeah, they paid 205 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: him to be there, facing card. We learned. We learned 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: that earlier they to have celebrities in these poker games 207 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: to lure other people into play, and then they would 208 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: have the games rigged and rip off these rich people. 209 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: What did Chauncey know and when did he know? 210 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 7: It? 211 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: Is that illegal to be a face? You can't pay 212 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: me to be a celebrity at a poker gaming card. 213 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: He was cheating. He was cheating. 214 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 4: Also, well, if he was part of the scam, yeah, 215 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: if it's an illegal poker game, then yeah, you're vitelating 216 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 4: a law by just being there. But uh, just to 217 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: what extent how involved was he We'll find out. 218 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: I suppose. 219 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 4: Wow, that would suck if you would have been in 220 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 4: a witch you gotta be you're making NBA money. No kidding, 221 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: well again, I think it gets to the gambling addict. 222 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 4: You get such a thrill out of gambling, right, Wow, 223 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: I can't wait to get all the details on this story. 224 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: A lot more on the waist to hear. Were you 225 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: a fish at one of these high dollar poker games 226 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: from the big FBI rs today? Well, let the NYPD 227 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: explain the fish and face and all the stuff with 228 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: the illegal poker games coming up next segment worth mentioning 229 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: over and over again. 230 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: In case you didn't hear, it's the number of teenagers 231 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: identifying as transgender as in free Fall. It's like been 232 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: cut in half in two years. 233 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: That's it. 234 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 4: Quite was and always has been a social contagion, and 235 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 4: if you dared say so out loud, you could be 236 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 4: canceled and lose your job. 237 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago we said it. Anyway, other 238 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: great examples like you mentioned anarexia also recovered memories or 239 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: whatever that whole thing. Remember when that was a craze. Yeah, yeah, anyway, 240 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: it's the end of an era. 241 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 4: A great high school transgender athlete is hanging up his spikes, 242 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: his pink spikes. 243 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: Normally, I never mentioned. 244 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: The names of high school transgender athlete types because they're kids. 245 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 4: They're misguided, they're confused, maybe they're gay. Maybe their parents 246 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 4: pushed them, maybe activists have pushed them. And what you 247 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 4: do as a kid needs to be left behind in 248 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: childhood to a large extent. But this person has become 249 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: semi famous. Aby hernandez great volleyball career ended when the 250 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 4: Harupa Valley High School got beat in the first round 251 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: of California state playoffs. It's a shame as he led 252 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 4: his team to the playoffs a couple of years in 253 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 4: a row. This was the team that saw ten games 254 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 4: forfeited off the team's schedule. 255 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Volleyball lawsuit. My son played high school volleyball, so I 256 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: saw quite a few boys and girls high school volleyball games. 257 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: The difference in the speed is night and day. 258 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the speed, the height of jumping, et cetera. 259 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: It's yeah, you could brutalize women in volleyball, and in 260 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: fact some have been by men or boys pretending to 261 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 4: be girls. There's also law school law suit against the 262 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 4: school district filed by two current and one former teammate 263 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 4: of this young gentleman. 264 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, yeah, ten, ten, what do you call it? I'm old. 265 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 4: So the forfeits during the season, they don't have that 266 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 4: many games. They mentioned that a bunch of girl athletes 267 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: were in the stands for the game, cheering the other 268 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: team and were being heckled by some of the fans 269 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: who were woke and thought it was mean that they 270 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 4: were there and their transphobes or whatever. 271 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: People. I don't, I don't. I would have ended up 272 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: in jail if I had a daughter in one of 273 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: these situations on the team, I would be out in 274 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the court. Yeah. Who else thinks this 275 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: is crazy? Right? That's a boy right. 276 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: And what's especially bittersweet about this young man hanging up 277 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: his pink spikes is that he's really been a standout 278 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: in multiple girl sports. He made a run to the 279 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 4: girls state finals in long jump, triple jump, and high jump, 280 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 4: as well as being a great volleyball player. 281 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,359 Speaker 1: That, by the way, was why Trump. 282 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 4: Sent that truth social post warning Gavy Newsome in the 283 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: state not to allow trans athlete to compete in the 284 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 4: girl's event and the poor kid clarify the title nine rules. 285 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: But the California Inner Scholastic Federation persistently defied the federal 286 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 4: government and says, no boys can play in girl sports 287 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 4: if they throw in some Messcara. 288 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: That poor kid getting convinced of this somehow, and then 289 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: imagine the whispers loud enough to hear he's been hearing 290 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: in the hallways of high schools all these years. 291 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: Appropriately but right, well, an example three hundred and seventeen 292 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 4: of how fed up California is. 293 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 294 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: On April first, the California state Legislature blocked two bills 295 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 4: that would reverse the current law that allows males in girls' sports. 296 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 4: Every single Democrat voted against it, and Assembly Member Ricky 297 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: Chavez Zber argued that one of the bills quote is 298 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: really reminiscent to me of what happened in Nazi Germany 299 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: in the nineteen thirties. Oh god, we're moving toward autocracy 300 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: in this country. In Nazi Germany, transgender people were persecuted 301 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: and barred from public life, and a gal who is 302 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: a descendant of a Holocaust survivor had to leave the chamber. 303 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: She couldn't take it. 304 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: Every single Democrat in California voted in favor of boys 305 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 4: beaten the crap out of girls in girls' sports. 306 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: We're on the down sick is that, as we've talked about, 307 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: we're on the downhill side of the peak of the 308 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: trans thing though though they are, as you've just pointed out, 309 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: miles to go. But the peak might have been the 310 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: Democratic debate Kamala Harris on stage, Corey Booker, all those others, 311 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren when Joe Biden ended up the candidate. I remember, 312 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: specifically Corey Booker black you as sender up there saying, 313 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: and in my state black trans women. Nobody up here 314 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: but me is talking about black trans women. I thought, Wow, 315 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: we are slicing it, Sullivan. 316 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 4: Now, Sethan, I would like to state publicly, Rick Chavez 317 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 4: Zbor you are a moral reprobate and or dumb as 318 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 4: a dog. Shame on you, except you don't have the 319 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: capacity for shame, you monster. 320 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: You get invented invited to a high stakes poker game? 321 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: Are you the fish? Just learned a new term today 322 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: from the NYP do NYPD with this big poker bust. 323 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: It's really quite the story. I hope you can stay here, 324 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. 325 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 6: It's not popular to go after some of the defendants 326 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 6: that we went after today, but justice is served blindly 327 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 6: and how. 328 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: Do we counterman that simple. 329 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 6: The unsealing of these indictments today shows the force of 330 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 6: the Department of Justice and our great Attorney General and 331 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 6: the leadership that we have at the FBI and the 332 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 6: team here to specifically meet out justice. And look, let's 333 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 6: not you know, mince words. This is the insider trading 334 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 6: saga for the NBA. That's what this is. That's why 335 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 6: we are going to take heat. But as the evidence 336 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 6: comes out, as the indictments are unsealed, you will see 337 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 6: the extensive work these men and women put in countless 338 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 6: hours over years. 339 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: And that's how we countermand it. That's cash Bettel runs 340 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: the FBI announcing the arrest of a whole bunch of people, 341 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: including some NBA players and coaches because they had bad 342 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: mouth Donald Trump. They are now under arrest. So that 343 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: is what we think. Is he pushing back against He's 344 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: he You're right, that's funny. I hadn't thought about that, 345 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, he's acting. 346 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: You're gonna take a lot of heat for busting up 347 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: a sports betting scandal. 348 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: He's acting like he's bravely standing up against the howling 349 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: mob by everybody's against that arresting some players and coaches 350 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: who may have done bad things. So the biggest name 351 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: in it, and if you're an NBA fan, you know 352 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: his name. If you're not, you don't. Chauncey Billups. He 353 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: was a won a championship with Detroit back in the day. 354 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: Current coach of the Portland Treble is just being charged 355 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: with six felon accounts. Woh uh yeah and including. 356 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 4: So it's not as many as the president who got 357 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 4: convicted of twenty three felony accounts. 358 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: Billups took part in an illegal poker game that had 359 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: been taking place in variety of city's Manhattan, Miami, Las Vegas, 360 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: and the Hamptons. According to the officials, the game allegedly 361 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: involved members of at least three of New York's mafia 362 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: families were sitting there at the table with him playing poker. 363 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: He was being paid for his participation, and there there 364 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: were ripping people off. Miami Heat guard Terry Roser has 365 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: also been named the allegations. Former Cleveland Cavaliers player and 366 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: coach Daman Jones arrested as well. Sources say that Jones, 367 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: player and coach, had been giving Billups that information that 368 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: Billips was using to place illegal sports bets. So he 369 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: wasn't just getting involved in the poker games. He was 370 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: also betting on NBA games with insider information too. Yeah. 371 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 4: The unholy relationship between gambling, gambling debts, the mob point 372 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 4: shaving weirdly fraudulent poker games. 373 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: Wow. At least for Billups, it almost has to be 374 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: some sort of gambling addiction because he was a star 375 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: NBA player, had lots of money. Of course he could 376 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: have spend it all and had a couple of divorces, 377 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: but he's a current NBA coach that pays pretty well too. 378 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: Your life is you're you grew up dreaming of being 379 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: exactly what you are now. Yeah, and you blew it 380 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: all gambling. 381 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 4: Parent. 382 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: To explain how this whole gambling thing was going, here's 383 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: US attorney Joseph Ncella. 384 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 7: The scheme targeted victims known as quote phish, who were 385 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 7: often lord to participate in these rigged games by the 386 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 7: chance to play alongside former professional athletes who were known 387 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 7: as quote face cards. 388 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: The so called face cards. 389 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 7: Included the defendant, Chauncey Billips, who at the time of 390 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 7: the scheme was a former NBA player and is currently 391 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 7: the head coach of the Portland Trailblazers, and also Damon Jones, 392 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 7: a former NBA player and coach. What the victims the 393 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 7: fish didn't know is that everybody else at the poker game, 394 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 7: from the dealer to the player, including the face cards, 395 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 7: were in on the scam. Once the game was underway, 396 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 7: the defendants fleeced the victims out of tens or hundreds 397 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 7: of thousands of dollars per game. The defendants used a 398 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 7: variety of very sophisticated cheating technologies. 399 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: So I know nothing about gambling and poker in particular, 400 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: I know nothing about but Joe was explaining earlier how 401 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: it's pretty damned easy for a couple of guys to 402 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: gang up and cheat. So I don't understand why they 403 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: have to be sophisticated cheating technologies. If you have some 404 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: sort of all sneeze, if I got a good hand 405 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: the tip, sure, I mean, yeah, that's yeah. 406 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 4: I'm more subtle than that, obviously, I know you're kidding, 407 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 4: but yeah, the fact that everybody at the table was 408 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 4: in on it except the fish, I found myself thinking about. 409 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 4: You know, that's a lot of troubled Like if I 410 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: sat down, I lose two hundred bucks. 411 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: I'm done. 412 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 4: That's not worth assembling a bunch of mobsters and former 413 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: NBA players and all. So I gotta believe that part 414 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 4: of the deal, part of the scam was they would 415 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 4: identify high dollar card players who will be like hot prospects. 416 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: I mean, who would show up if they could play 417 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: with a former NBA player or a current NBA player. 418 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 4: All right, you probably try a variety of angles to 419 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 4: try to get him to show up. But in places 420 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 4: where high dollar gambling takes place, I'm sure there were 421 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 4: scouts out there for the mob who'd say, hey, Joe Geddy, 422 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 4: he's a radio guy, gambles like a fiend. We got 423 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 4: to see if we can get him to one of 424 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 4: these games. Because you'd have to build a guy out 425 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 4: of a lot of money to be worth going all 426 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 4: that trouble. 427 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to learn the details of this 428 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: as a poker enthusiast. Well, let's go with forty five there, Michael, 429 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: this is an NYPD. Jessica Tisshill explain how much one 430 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: person lost. 431 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 8: The organizers also enlisted well known public figures, former and 432 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 8: current NBA players and coach is, including Chauncey Billups, the 433 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 8: head coach of the Portland Trailblazers and NBA champion and 434 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 8: a Hall of Famer. To make the games appear legitimate, 435 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 8: victims believe that they were sitting at a fair table. Instead, 436 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 8: they were cheated out of millions. One victim in particular 437 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 8: lost one point eight million dollars in total losses exceeded 438 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 8: seven million dollars and continue to climb. 439 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, you got a lot of money. You're doing that? 440 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course that might be all terrible, terrible problem. 441 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 4: That might be all of your money. 442 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: As comedian Norm MacDonald famously lost everything he had three times, 443 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: I think he says in his life, so sometimes you 444 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: know you're playing with everything you got, right right, Oh, 445 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: that's so insidious. His description of why he did it 446 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: was the only thing that I've ever heard that made 447 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: any sense to me. That him explaining as a gambling 448 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: addict that winning didn't it wasn't the thing, because that's 449 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: what I always assume is a non gambling addict, that 450 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: you're going for that feeling of the win. He said, 451 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: it's that feeling between the bet and the result. That's 452 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: why you do it. The winning, and then you gotta 453 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: get onto your next thing, because that's it's over the 454 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: orgasm or whatever. The good feeling you got is over. 455 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: It's that feeling in between the bet and how it 456 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: pays off, whether you win or lose. That is the 457 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: tickles your fancy in a way that doesn't take all 458 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: other people's fancy. If they ever really figure out addiction, 459 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 1: the different kinds and how they work and everything like that, 460 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: it'll be miraculous because I get I'm an alcoholic, but like, 461 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: gambling makes no sense to me whatsoever, like zero, But 462 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: other people would look at me and say, well, don't 463 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: drink so much. 464 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: So I mean, so, you know, yeah, And it's funny 465 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 4: because I've I've played a fair amount of poker in 466 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 4: my life. I'm not a gambling addict at all, and 467 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: I intellectually I get what Norm McDonald is talking about. 468 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: But I've never really felt that I just liked to 469 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: thank God, thank God. I've never felt that. 470 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 4: I don't like to lose. I'd much prefer to win. 471 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: But I said, very strict limits and blah blah blah. 472 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 4: But that's the difference between being an addict and an enthusiast, 473 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: which brings me to an absolutely brilliant piece I came 474 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 4: across from Kevin Williamson, the great Texas Conservative, who may 475 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 4: be one of my all time favorite guys I disagree 476 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 4: with about twenty percent of the time because I like 477 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 4: that because it tests my ideas and I have to 478 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 4: try him out against his But anyway, he wrote this 479 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 4: great thing, and it's very short about the difference between 480 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 4: an enthusiast and a snob and how it's rotted out 481 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 4: journalism in America that I thought was crazy andsightful. Unless 482 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 4: we have anything else to get to, we could take 483 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 4: a break and end up the show with that. 484 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: I thought it makes perfect for journalism. I would have 485 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: never thought of using the term snob INHH, I knowed 486 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: the journalism at all. Great insight. Okay, should I tune. 487 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 4: Armstrong? 488 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 5: Construction workers have broken ground on the new White House ballroom. 489 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: Either that or Pete Hegseth should not have driven home 490 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: last night. Oh God. 491 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 9: A lot of people are angry at President Trump because 492 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 9: it was just announced that he's demolishing the entire East 493 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 9: wing of the White House to build his new ballroom. 494 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 9: There are so many questions about the renovation, who's paying 495 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 9: for it, is it legal? And just how long was 496 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 9: Rudy Giuliani living in the wall. 497 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 7: You know how. 498 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 4: All right talk about a non issue. So I found 499 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 4: this very interesting. Kevin Williamson, Kevin Williamson, great Texas conservative 500 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 4: who was hired by The Atlantic. Remember, and the woke 501 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 4: readers just had their ponies, so wadded their cowardly editor. 502 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 4: The cowardly editor Jeffrey Goldberg fired him before he wrote 503 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 4: a word, but he was writing a piece. And I'm 504 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 4: gonna summarize the first part a Loewi's very good writing. 505 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 4: It's about in the gun policy debate. He talks about 506 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 4: there's a whole rhetoric of mockery, the idea being that 507 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 4: gun rights advocates who correct people about the difference between 508 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: a clip and a magazine, for instance, or a semi 509 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 4: automatic weapon versus a fully automatic weapon, or just weirdos, 510 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 4: or trying to avoid talking about the real issues, as 511 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 4: he writes, as though the technical aspects of firearms design 512 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 4: wasn't the actual issue. Ignorance about firearms is taken as 513 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 4: a kind of badge of honor, a sign that one 514 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: is not one of those people, the unwashed. No, of 515 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 4: course I don't know that about guns, because I'm not 516 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 4: one of those weird, oh redic types right, and he 517 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 4: gets into the now. It's into the gist of the 518 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 4: thing that I found really intriguing. The root issue is snobbery. 519 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: If you know any music snobs or movie snobs, then 520 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 4: you may have observed that a snob is not obsessed 521 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 4: with him his own taste in music or movies. He 522 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 4: is obsessed with your taste, with everyone else's taste, and 523 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 4: takes pleasure not from the things he enjoys, but from 524 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 4: heaping scorn on the things other people enjoy that he 525 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 4: judged contemptible. 526 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: Ha ha. 527 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: I never thought about it that way, but it's true. 528 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: It is true. It's funny. 529 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 4: I've always said, once in a while, because I'm a 530 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 4: wine enthusiast, somebody the old joke that I'm a wine snob, 531 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 4: and I'm not a snob at all. If you like 532 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 4: a wine that I think tastes like kool aid, but 533 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: you like it and it makes you happy, drink that one. 534 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: Be happy. Hell do I care? Anyway. 535 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 4: People who actually know things and have a genuinely cultivated 536 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 4: critical sensibility tend to be the opposite of high fidelity 537 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: style ranking list snobs, which is a great reference to 538 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 4: a great novel in a great movie. 539 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that movie before you even 540 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: mentioned it, when they would roll their eyes, that people 541 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: would come into the record store and ask for certain music. 542 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 4: Right, exactly, yeah, he writes. My friend Jay Nordlinger, who 543 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: is a classical music critic. When he's not doing one 544 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 4: of his other four jobs, he's a brilliant guy. Is 545 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: the least snobby person you will ever meet when it 546 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 4: comes to music. A critic is interested in music. A 547 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 4: snob is interested in what his choice of music says 548 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: about him. 549 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: Here's where he brings it home. 550 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 4: Snobs of that kind do not make very good intellectuals, 551 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 4: a word that I'm here using broadly to include journalists, novelists, translators, 552 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: book editors, and such. Both opinion journalism and cultural criticism 553 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 4: in our time are deformed by the infantile self obsession 554 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 4: of columnists and critics, who are less interested in presenting 555 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 4: interesting observations or compelling writing than they are in cultivating 556 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 4: a particular self image. The crippling notion of personal brand 557 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: having seeped very deeply into our assumptions about what it 558 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 4: is journalists are there to do. 559 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: The unspoken question is, what does this say about me. 560 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: It is mad and tedious. 561 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 4: Am I the sort of person who likes Taylor swift 562 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: slavest album. Am I the sort of person who towes 563 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 4: the conventional progressive line on trans issues. Am I the 564 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: sort of person who now talks about abundance as if 565 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 4: it were a new idea. And then he gives a 566 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 4: couple of examples. When the editor of the New York 567 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 4: Times a pine that his writers don't quite get religion, 568 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: he was making a genuine confession, but he was also 569 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 4: making a statement statement one not entirely lacking in self satisfaction, 570 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: about what kind of people work at the Times. 571 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: You know, the right kind. You're right, that is true. 572 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 4: Journalists and critics have a hard time seeing the subject 573 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: because they are standing in their own way and cannot 574 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 4: get a good view of it through themselves. Journalists and 575 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: novelists and academics and such are meant to be curious. 576 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 4: I'm glad he mentions academics. But there are certain matters, 577 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 4: usually involving social distinctions, that seem to provide a kind 578 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 4: of pro provoke a kind of profound in curiosity in 579 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 4: a certain kind of person. And he talks about the 580 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 4: principle of the ideological Turing test holds that you really 581 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 4: do not understand this a dispute until you can argue 582 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 4: the other side of it in a way that would 583 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 4: sound convincing to a person holding that view. 584 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: That should be a standard for all conversations. You have 585 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: to state my position to my satisfaction, and then we 586 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: can argue about the particulars. Yeah, and vice versa. Oh, 587 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: that reminds me. 588 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to getting into that email from 589 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 4: a gal who disagreed with our take on the great feminization. 590 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 4: We'll do that tomorrow. It's good, it's it's well thought out. 591 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 4: I still think what I think, but it'll be fun 592 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 4: to go through it. 593 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: We got quite a few texts on the whether or 594 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: not it's okay for me to call the groc lady 595 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: the B word hmm, and quite a few people saying that, 596 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: like me, well you you recoiled when I did suggested 597 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: that I was going to call her a bee, yeah. 598 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 4: Like with a modifier, right, a stupid bee or a 599 00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: use not just bee. 600 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. She was saying Yoko Ona was good music and 601 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: I was gonna say you stupid bitch. Oh, I couldn't 602 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: bring myself to say it and you're horrified by it, 603 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: and like some people said they couldn't do it either, 604 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 1: and then somebody else saying, it's it's like calling a 605 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: red light a stupid bitch. It's it's the same thing. 606 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: It's just yes, yes, it is yeah. 607 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 4: And actually, speaking of taking another side of the argument, 608 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 4: I might argue that you ought to do that to 609 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 4: remind yourself over and over and over again that these 610 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 4: systems are not living being. 611 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: That it's not an actual woman. The fact that I 612 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: haven't is because I kind of feel like it's, you know, 613 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: my female companion who I disagree with about Yoko Ona, 614 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, you know who was a stupid bitch. I was. 615 00:32:47,360 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm Joe getting Oh my god, I cracked myself up. 616 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Geddy. 617 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 4: Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew. 618 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be delightful. Let's begin with our technical director 619 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 4: Mike Langelo. Michael, with all this news about gambling in 620 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: the news, I'm gonna confess something. 621 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: I once cheated at yacht Sea to get some baked 622 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: goods from my brother. So there you go. I'm sorry. 623 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: Heathen slut for baked goods. 624 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,719 Speaker 4: Shameful Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman. As final thought, Katie, 625 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 4: speaking of treats, I discovered Reese's peanut. 626 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: Butter cup popcorn. 627 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 4: Wait what yeah, yeah, it's a problem. 628 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: I could see devowering. I could see intending to eat 629 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: a couple of pieces of that and killing a bag. 630 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: Not a dimominating to do. Treats it once or enough 631 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: for you? Wow? Jack. A final thought for us came 632 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: across a guy online who's running an extra mile every 633 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: day for the shutdown. So like, on day or two 634 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: he ran thirty two miles he's an ultra marathoner. Then 635 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: on day thirty three he ran thirty three miles. He 636 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: adds a mile every day the shutdown continues to draw 637 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: attention or something. Go ahead, go ahead and knock yourself out, dude, 638 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: have a good time whatever. Good lord. 639 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 4: Oh my final thought be an enthusiast, not a Snob's 640 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 4: a good one. 641 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: I was thinking about myself in a couple of different 642 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: areas to make sure I don't do that. 643 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 4: There was one lady who is standing in my living room. 644 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 4: We were all drinking, declaring what a huge clash fan. 645 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: She was the band The Clash. 646 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 4: She knew like two of their songs, and I judged 647 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 4: her very harshly, very harsh. 648 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Geeddy Raving have another grueling four hour workday. 649 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 4: Don't be a snob or a phony. Okay, so many people, 650 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 4: thanks so a little time. Go to Armstrong and Getdy 651 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 4: dot com. 652 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: Blah blah, see you tomorrow. God bless America. I'm Strong 653 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: the podcast, then the podcast, then the podcast I'm Wrong 654 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: and Getty from the Armstrong and Go and Go. What 655 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: do we call? There are two ways to look at 656 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: this as a national emergency. 657 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 3: In Let's go, it's I don't want to keep doing 658 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 3: it because I'm gonna call 659 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: It Armstrong and Getty