Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke. Jack what's happening? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like him. I like that. Get my problems. My
Speaker 1: hands ain't clammity whatever y'all call them clammy whatever. That
Speaker 1: ship is Riga, you got your pH balance right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm I like your shoes and your sweatshirt. Though.
Speaker 1: Appreciate one one to day. I appreciate it. Bro, Man,
Speaker 1: we're back man season three. Uh, it's good to be back.
Speaker 1: We're back rolling. We're back in l A. We got
Speaker 1: family in the building today. Man, last name one of
Speaker 1: the one of one of our homies, my old next
Speaker 1: door neighbor, current Los Angeles Ram Deshan Jackson. Appreciate about time.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you finding time. I mean you're back home l A. Rams,
Speaker 1: I mean you're going into your fourteen season fourteen D
Speaker 1: we both play four teens and you're playing at home.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. Man. For me, it's like
Speaker 1: everything come back full circle. You know, to be in
Speaker 1: the NFL, to come from Los Angeles, California, born and
Speaker 1: raised to play pop wanted to grow up in a
Speaker 1: sports city. Never really been able to play at home.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't play thirteen years in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and every time it's time to go to season, I
Speaker 1: gotta go to the East coast, Philly, Tamble, Washington. So
Speaker 1: for me that this this time back around a special
Speaker 1: man and it means a little more man. But talk
Speaker 1: to us about because we talked off air, I got
Speaker 1: a chance to play at home. You never got a
Speaker 1: chance to play at home right close, but not home.
Speaker 1: Have you got to kind of change your whole mentality
Speaker 1: because you're older now, you know what I mean? You
Speaker 1: on you on your last you know handful of years,
Speaker 1: you know, guy Willing, Uh, you know obviously aspiration, the
Speaker 1: goals to touch that Hall of Fame with You're on
Speaker 1: pace to talk to the fans about how you kind
Speaker 1: of had to come back to l A. But also,
Speaker 1: you know, keep that focus. First off, when I first
Speaker 1: came out, when I realized I was coming back home,
Speaker 1: because I kind of knew before I got a great
Speaker 1: relationship with Sha mcvei, so um, you know, when I
Speaker 1: found out I was coming back home, the first thing
Speaker 1: I did was changed the phone, then changed both numbers
Speaker 1: right around, Like I'm going back home. It's Hollywood, you know,
Speaker 1: the hood. You know, I go hang out with the homies.
Speaker 1: I'm like, the first thing I'm doing is changing my number. So, um,
Speaker 1: I remember Sean McVeigh actually like the next day we
Speaker 1: signed and then he hit me like dam I can't
Speaker 1: even get a holdie. I'm like, yeah, coach had to
Speaker 1: change the number. It's like, man, that's that serious thing.
Speaker 1: But for me, like coming back home. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: thirty four years old, you know, going fourteenth year. So
Speaker 1: for me, like you know, I know these last few years,
Speaker 1: I got a real shot at you know, solidifying the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame spotting for me, you know, being being
Speaker 1: able to be one of the biggest deep threats ever,
Speaker 1: you know, passing Jerry Rice, Randy, Andy mar you get
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So for me growing up, like that's
Speaker 1: what I had inspired me, you know, and for me
Speaker 1: to be in the same conversations with them type of dudes,
Speaker 1: like I had to come back and let people know
Speaker 1: that I'm not here at the party. I'm not here
Speaker 1: to be at One Oak like now, I'm here to
Speaker 1: do my thing on the field and win the Super
Speaker 1: bo Bro. That's my main focus. So I had to
Speaker 1: you know, solidify that first. I mean that that that
Speaker 1: kind of leads us into our next question. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have a team that that that that has a
Speaker 1: chance to a ring, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: you're back at home on top of that, So talk
Speaker 1: to us what that atmosphere has been like? Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: teaming up with Matthew Stafford, you guys got a loaded
Speaker 1: old loaded defense. What's that environment been like? Man? Honestly,
Speaker 1: you know I didn't playing on some good teams going
Speaker 1: back to the year with Michael Vick, Sean McCoy, Jeremy
Speaker 1: Matt Like, we had we had some dogs back in Philly.
Speaker 1: But I mean to fast forward everything right now, like
Speaker 1: you said, Aaron Donald, Jaden Ramsey, Like, I'm playing with
Speaker 1: some dogs, like legitimate players in the league right now.
Speaker 1: You know, Aaron know what he was the number two
Speaker 1: overall player. Jane Razzy I think was thirteen in the
Speaker 1: top one hunter. So for me to be on this team, man,
Speaker 1: like I knew stepping in, like we really got a
Speaker 1: shot to win the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: here in l A. But you know, we want to
Speaker 1: pick too soon. It's a long season. Rock Cowboys doing good. Great,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of good teams. But we know, you know,
Speaker 1: if we just keep our head down China mentality and
Speaker 1: keep working every day, if we look at every week
Speaker 1: like we want to go we zero zero trying to
Speaker 1: go one and know at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: I think you know that I have a stand in
Speaker 1: the last one you mentioned coach McVay, you had a
Speaker 1: prior relationship with him. Speak to how you guys relationships started.
Speaker 1: Man back in what was that two thousand and fourteen?
Speaker 1: I remember when uh I got released by the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: Everybody you know who knows me knows about that situation,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I had a chance to go
Speaker 1: to a few teams, but it was it was personal.
Speaker 1: I had to stay in that division, NFC East. Like
Speaker 1: I'm like Eagles just coming like there's only a few
Speaker 1: Thames I already wanted to go to. So I'm like
Speaker 1: Washington with the team Jay, you had j Gruden, you
Speaker 1: had Seamanvey, who was you know, Jay Ruins, the head coach.
Speaker 1: Samany was the office of coordinator. So right when they
Speaker 1: realized I was a free agent, day like we gotta
Speaker 1: figure out the way to get this little bit her tape,
Speaker 1: like whatever we gotta do. We've been seeing him torts
Speaker 1: us for years, you know, just playing Washington and you
Speaker 1: know for doing all that. So our relationship really started early. Man,
Speaker 1: Like going back to I played three years in Washington,
Speaker 1: Like I think out of the three years I played there,
Speaker 1: two years, I want to a thousand yards, had like
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns, like sixty, like we was bowling, you know,
Speaker 1: so flips. I had to come back now and seeing
Speaker 1: his progress, Like the dude is a genius. Bro. I
Speaker 1: really look at him, like on the Bill Belichick, Andy Red,
Speaker 1: I mean Belichick, Andy Reid, like he has the smarts
Speaker 1: and the way he puts his players in positions to
Speaker 1: always beat the defense. Bro. It's like he would go
Speaker 1: for what he do. How was it growing up in
Speaker 1: the Crishaw neighbor l a man you know, you know,
Speaker 1: arrest of Peaceni neighborhood, nip man up. You know, for me,
Speaker 1: I think to get kind of instilled, you know, that
Speaker 1: that greatness, that like that competitive nature, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like we really didn't have no hope. We
Speaker 1: ain't really you know, we had dreams and desires, but
Speaker 1: we didn't really it was only certain few influences we
Speaker 1: really had to look up to you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on some positive like you know, you you're going to
Speaker 1: the store. You know, it's dudes at the corner store
Speaker 1: hanging out, game bang and selling drugs. You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So on a daily basis, you know, I
Speaker 1: was lucky and fortunate to have it pops around me
Speaker 1: that like seen you know that side of and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take youlo. We're going to football, basketball, track,
Speaker 1: like everything, every sport because he knew if I was
Speaker 1: sitting at the crib or at home, what I would
Speaker 1: be getting into, you know. So for me, I think
Speaker 1: it just installed me to just go out there and
Speaker 1: want to be different. Like it was something about looking
Speaker 1: at the ogs looking up to him, like, man, I
Speaker 1: want to do that, but it's like I really wanted
Speaker 1: to do it the positive way where I could go
Speaker 1: be on television where I can all my dudes back
Speaker 1: in the hood see me Sean Jackson on national television.
Speaker 1: I'm rapping from my city and where my hood is,
Speaker 1: you know. So for me, that's what made me inspired
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to go out there and do
Speaker 1: good from out my city. So you can say that
Speaker 1: the love for sports came from Uh, your parents are
Speaker 1: from are from you. You attended beach party to party,
Speaker 1: take high school, played baseball, ran track. The love of
Speaker 1: sports come from It wasn't still from your pops. Are
Speaker 1: just something you picked up? Um, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it comes hand to hand. You know, my my pops
Speaker 1: grew up Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and when he grew up, he
Speaker 1: wasn't really able to play sports. You know. His pops
Speaker 1: was worked in the steal mill. He like, we're working
Speaker 1: around here, like, ain't no sports, You're not doing none
Speaker 1: of that ship. So my pops never really was able
Speaker 1: to live out his dream because he loved sports, you know.
Speaker 1: So he was like, I'm gonna have kids, and I'm
Speaker 1: pushing all my kids to play sports, Like if I
Speaker 1: couldn't make it offen had kids and one of these
Speaker 1: little Niggs making it to the NFL. You know, we
Speaker 1: in reality was my older brother at first, and then
Speaker 1: you know that wasn't really his dream of desire. So
Speaker 1: then you got me, this little kid. I'm like, sh
Speaker 1: I was a majority around my Aposta most out of all,
Speaker 1: you know, our siblings. So for me, I just installed
Speaker 1: like just growing up and just like I said, just
Speaker 1: be in competitive industries playing sideline pop, throw up tackle
Speaker 1: Like I was just wanting a little fastest, hardest dudes,
Speaker 1: and I was the toughest. I was the littlest one,
Speaker 1: but the toughest one. So I was like, man, you
Speaker 1: know and started me at an early age to be great. Bro,
Speaker 1: you was a major league prospect. Of what position in baseball?
Speaker 1: Did you play? A lot of people don't know that that. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's an interesting story too. So my pops he
Speaker 1: actually loved baseball. So this's the story about the baseball.
Speaker 1: So my pops love baseball, and he like, I'm taking
Speaker 1: you do all these sports, basketball, football, you rent a trade,
Speaker 1: you doing it? You gotta play baseball for me. So
Speaker 1: it's like he almost like forced me to play baseball.
Speaker 1: So I was good at baseball, but I ain't really
Speaker 1: had a love for it like I love playing football,
Speaker 1: love doing everything else. So for me, I was really
Speaker 1: good at baseball, but I just didn't had that love foot.
Speaker 1: But looking back at it now, I'm like, if I
Speaker 1: could do it all love but I probably would have
Speaker 1: did they get three hunder guaranteed? Like man, but you know,
Speaker 1: everything happen for a reason, bro, But ya was actually
Speaker 1: have a baseball. I played center field, second bag, I
Speaker 1: played everything. I used to be like left fielder, right fielder.
Speaker 1: Don't go in the gap, like anything hitting the gap
Speaker 1: and everything down, Like for real, you mentioned Nip earlier.
Speaker 1: What was your relationship with him? Like man, Nip Man.
Speaker 1: So I remember back and probably like two thousand, like
Speaker 1: two thousand one, like I was a freshman of high school,
Speaker 1: and um, you know growing up in the Murder Park.
Speaker 1: You know, Crenshaw Slawson was literally ten fifteen blocks down
Speaker 1: the street, so you know, going up Cranshaw Audubon, like
Speaker 1: I used to know that. We were probably like thirteen
Speaker 1: fourteen years old. But back then it was just a
Speaker 1: pretty boy curly here. I ain't had a long here
Speaker 1: back then, he had to curly here. He was just
Speaker 1: always had the white long t on, you know, back then,
Speaker 1: the pro cluse everybody you feel me. So it's just
Speaker 1: like just knowing that back then he was just like
Speaker 1: the little player, like pretty boy, do you know? And
Speaker 1: then it's like I remember like around high school he
Speaker 1: started rapping, and I'm like, he re wrapping all right,
Speaker 1: try trying to figure out if he's hard enough. So
Speaker 1: you know, back then, really nobody really knew about him.
Speaker 1: Then you know he got lost some boys and you
Speaker 1: just start seeing them out on Crenshaw out the back
Speaker 1: of the bends, Trump popping the trunk, giving out CDs.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, man, this isn't really taking this ship serious.
Speaker 1: So for me, I saw his his work. I saw
Speaker 1: what he put into it, and to look up to
Speaker 1: you know, what he did inspired everybody and just how
Speaker 1: he tried to you know, provide jobs and just you know,
Speaker 1: changing the community. Man like me and Nip go back, bro.
Speaker 1: But you know, he definitely inspired for the Crenshaw community.
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, Rest in peace. UM high school football
Speaker 1: sixty catches, over a thousand yards, fifteen touchdowns. What was
Speaker 1: it like out there playing in high school men, like
Speaker 1: on Friday night? Yeah? First of all, ship, I mean
Speaker 1: high school like Long Beage probably went to the number
Speaker 1: one high school and all of America, like literally probably
Speaker 1: put the most people in the NFL. So growing up,
Speaker 1: ol ways, see I'm not from Longbies. Everybody thinking I'm
Speaker 1: from Long Bees, but I'm not from Long Me so
Speaker 1: I grew what, like you said, Crisshaw South Central and
Speaker 1: as a as a grade, I'm trying to figure out, like, man,
Speaker 1: what high school gonna go to? Now? My pops he
Speaker 1: was like the biggest scout of America, Like he already
Speaker 1: had deals and broke it in with this high school coach.
Speaker 1: He's gonna vantage, he's going to crush. Are you going
Speaker 1: to doors? You know he's going to wear Chester. So
Speaker 1: I was sitting back like trying to really figure out
Speaker 1: what high school and go to. And then my older
Speaker 1: brother was like, if you really want to go to
Speaker 1: the best high school, and you know for a fact
Speaker 1: they're gonna have scholars They're gonna have scholars they're gonna
Speaker 1: have coaches coming in like the best of the best.
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to Long Beach party. So I'm
Speaker 1: like thinking about I'm like, all right, ship, let's go.
Speaker 1: But when I went, literally we had uh Herschel, Dennis Darnell,
Speaker 1: being Mercedes Lewis manyor right, like it was literally like
Speaker 1: seven dudes. It was going Division one. I all had
Speaker 1: top scholarships from s c U C l A. So
Speaker 1: I was a freshman going into that, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: sh all I gotta do is even if I'm a
Speaker 1: halfway decent, I'm gonna go get a Division one scholarship. So,
Speaker 1: you know, coming out there from l A and being
Speaker 1: one of the best to play part Warner and come
Speaker 1: to party like I already had to earn that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because it was really dogs like
Speaker 1: long bees probably, like I'm telling you, they're the best
Speaker 1: of the best. So for me to come all the
Speaker 1: way from l A and come to Polly like I
Speaker 1: already came from outside in it was like really insider,
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. So it was fun, man,
Speaker 1: it was. It was big games though, like I was
Speaker 1: prepared to play on a big level being in party
Speaker 1: because once I got to college, that ship was like
Speaker 1: it was next next, Yeah, like NFL was next. Like
Speaker 1: I'm killing that ship just because the mentality and being
Speaker 1: around people that was like really good. I mean, you
Speaker 1: talked to your high school creer off with the m
Speaker 1: v P of the All American Game. Uh, who was
Speaker 1: recruiting you? And why did you end up going the
Speaker 1: cow Man? I had ship. I had all the schools
Speaker 1: Florida States, the Miamis the Oklahoma's the L. S Shoes
Speaker 1: Like I had partly of a hundred plus offers and uh,
Speaker 1: you know I was close to going to L. S. Shoe.
Speaker 1: That was Nick Saban was there. Man. It was son
Speaker 1: about that that culture out there, man, that food and women.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, man, the South got me Louisiana half
Speaker 1: I took. I took I think folk trips, like I
Speaker 1: went to Oklahoma, went to L. S U. And then
Speaker 1: was like I said, when I went to L. S
Speaker 1: U was just something about like just how they treated me,
Speaker 1: the food, and I'm like, man, it's something about that South,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I'm like I almost had it. But
Speaker 1: then Nick Saban ended up leaving that he went to
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. So when he left, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: that's out. And then um I had s C. I committed.
Speaker 1: I was a year sc one. They uh shoot who
Speaker 1: they had Reggie Bush, Lynn del White that they just
Speaker 1: had won UM the National Championship and I remember they
Speaker 1: called me out of the game, had Peek Hero on there.
Speaker 1: It was all hype on the bus turned up like
Speaker 1: yeah you coming. I'm like, yeah, I'm coming. I'm committing.
Speaker 1: So I commit and I just felt like, man, they
Speaker 1: they like giving these dudes from out of state like
Speaker 1: extra Like I wanted number one and they didn't give
Speaker 1: me number one. So I'm like they started like showing
Speaker 1: dudes out of stay more love than they showing interstate
Speaker 1: because they was like, oh, Poli, dudes used to go
Speaker 1: into SC We're gonna tell you for granted, like he'd
Speaker 1: coming here. So I'm like, you know what, I'm shaking
Speaker 1: in the year before that cow just beat at See
Speaker 1: when you had they have mare Shawn lynch Uh Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers they beat him in the in the college seam upset.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, instead of joining the best,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go somewhere and beat the best. And that
Speaker 1: was just the mentality I had, Like I didn't want
Speaker 1: to just be labeled as somebody that just went there
Speaker 1: just because they thought they had me in their back seat.
Speaker 1: So that was my decision. What was your record against
Speaker 1: SC man, don't do that. I was three, But how
Speaker 1: did you do every time we played them? They had
Speaker 1: like three dudes. I mean, there's like, we're not letting
Speaker 1: this a little dude kill us. But now I had
Speaker 1: some good games versus Obviously, I was a vocal point
Speaker 1: when I played against him, and they definitely was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna let him go. So I did cool though,
Speaker 1: but it was on three hurt. Did Aaron Rodgers kind
Speaker 1: of was recruiting you two or kind of the guy
Speaker 1: that showed you a little bit? He did? Man, and
Speaker 1: like so, So Aaron Rodgers was a junior when I
Speaker 1: was a fresh or no he was. He was a
Speaker 1: junior when I was a senior high school. So when
Speaker 1: I'm committing there, you know, my ship. Aaron Rodgers one
Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in college football, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: going there. So the minute I commit, he entered the
Speaker 1: NFL and the league, so he left his junior year.
Speaker 1: So I came in and he wasn't even near in them.
Speaker 1: But you know, we had like I said, we had
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynz just before I said, we had some. We
Speaker 1: had some good some good dudes. Can you imagine though,
Speaker 1: you and we didn't weren't win that because that that year.
Speaker 1: That next year was actually like it was number two
Speaker 1: in the nation and we end up losing the freaking
Speaker 1: like Oregon State or crazy Fluke ship. But man, ye'all
Speaker 1: think about that, I'm like, damn, just imagine if we
Speaker 1: were if he had to stay and we were to
Speaker 1: play like a full year together. He was number two
Speaker 1: account Yeah, yeah, we was a highest rank was number two.
Speaker 1: We started like five and oh we was on a
Speaker 1: college game that we played Oregon. At Oregon, I went crazy,
Speaker 1: had like three touches down. I was like a hundred
Speaker 1: and eight yards like, I went crazy. So I remember
Speaker 1: that game. I came up, you know they do the
Speaker 1: uh the broadcasting after the game and bring me. I
Speaker 1: had a big gass suit on. That was back in
Speaker 1: the day when you know we were Harvey. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: went our was big shout. I went there talking and
Speaker 1: ship and but it was like and we went on
Speaker 1: the downhire After that we lost like the next like
Speaker 1: folk games bro. We was never two of the day
Speaker 1: at one point down here. Um, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: that was during the We Believe time too, right. It
Speaker 1: was out there while we was rocking right over the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I remember I checked when you guys games at
Speaker 1: one time. Yeah, that was that was a big game.
Speaker 1: Were you guys able to get out to any of
Speaker 1: those games? Are you watch them on TV? Or what?
Speaker 1: Was it like during your college experience out there? No,
Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely big for us looking up
Speaker 1: to to y'all, man, what y'all used to do back
Speaker 1: back and go to state. Like, man, that y'all was
Speaker 1: really like a culture man, like you know, b d
Speaker 1: obviously respect, you know, shout out big bro, b d
Speaker 1: um bro was there. I mean, you know y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: had a wave out there, man, and for us like
Speaker 1: y'all the culture bro. You know, I'm not even gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and act like it ain't big like what
Speaker 1: y'all did and how y'all carried your game and just
Speaker 1: like what y'all meant for the for the culture bro,
Speaker 1: like we we all looked up to that. You know
Speaker 1: me like growing up, I'm a smaller dude. So the
Speaker 1: guys that I really looked up to is the Michael
Speaker 1: Vicks to Alan Irasons. You know, the Kobe is the
Speaker 1: dude with your child are respected and respected you vice versus.
Speaker 1: So that mentality, man, Like, it's much respect to what
Speaker 1: you're doing and continuously still doing, how you're tapped in
Speaker 1: with the youth and you know, your your boys, your twins.
Speaker 1: You know, I respect everything you know, with them. But
Speaker 1: I'd love to see it, bro because it give me
Speaker 1: something to look up to when I'm done playing ball,
Speaker 1: you know, appreciate what was your relationships like with Marshawn
Speaker 1: Marren Shaw. So, so it's an interesting story about Marren Shawn.
Speaker 1: So obviously Marshawn Oakland Tech Oakland, California to the full,
Speaker 1: you know, northfo Olkland family. First, you don't shot my brother.
Speaker 1: But uh so coming from l A, you know, l
Speaker 1: A is a little as I ain't gonna say that little.
Speaker 1: It's a lot different than the Bay Area. So you know,
Speaker 1: me growing up, you got games, you got blood, you
Speaker 1: got cribs. You know, you've got different sets. So for
Speaker 1: me growing up in the in the l A culture,
Speaker 1: going to cow, at first, I didn't understand what was
Speaker 1: going on because you gotta due saying blood and cousin
Speaker 1: one sittence. It's like they know they're basically saying your
Speaker 1: blood and they don't even care. They just talking. So
Speaker 1: it's like they culture out there is just total different.
Speaker 1: It's like and they're not even in tune, like they're
Speaker 1: literally you don't even think they from California bro out
Speaker 1: there because they're not even in tune with the l
Speaker 1: a culture. Bro. They got their own culture. So for me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, marn Shawn was just himself, bro like he
Speaker 1: didn't really care, like he was straight, but he was smart,
Speaker 1: like he was intelligent. You know, he did good in school,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people don't know how good he
Speaker 1: did in school, like he them there was graduated before
Speaker 1: he left Calf, You get what I'm saying. So the
Speaker 1: respect level me and him. I remember I was a
Speaker 1: freshman and he was a sophomore and I came and
Speaker 1: I was one of the fastest on the team and
Speaker 1: He's looking at me like who this little niked thing?
Speaker 1: He's that nigga line up, Nia, let's race like this
Speaker 1: big he bought two twit six ft looking at me
Speaker 1: like really like that's race. So I'm like, you sure
Speaker 1: you in the race? You know I'm cocky. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you sure you're in the race? Like you lined up?
Speaker 1: We got out the every race. I beat him, but
Speaker 1: he put up a fight though he wasn't slow. Watched
Speaker 1: out all that stuff, and I'm like it just gave
Speaker 1: me a respect for bread different because he knew he
Speaker 1: was he knew I was fashioning but he was like anyway, bro,
Speaker 1: So it's like much respect of money man. So decorated
Speaker 1: college career, Uh, one of the top receivers in the country.
Speaker 1: You make your jump to the league second round pick.
Speaker 1: Did you have a chip on your shoulder for sure?
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say I had a chip,
Speaker 1: it's like all right for me college, right, Like every
Speaker 1: every step of the way from high school college like
Speaker 1: I've always been the best, always been you know, stats,
Speaker 1: they're proven. Everything was proven for me. So so coming
Speaker 1: out my junior year, I actually put in a little
Speaker 1: note and they was like it came back and it
Speaker 1: was like guaranteed. They didn't say guarantee, but they give
Speaker 1: you a projection. So they said anywhere from first round
Speaker 1: to like the end of the first round, so like
Speaker 1: the first pick to So I'm like, ship, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going. I ain't no point of going coming back
Speaker 1: to college for my my senior year when they're already
Speaker 1: solidified that. So I'm like, I'm gone. So I entered
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I remember back then my coach
Speaker 1: it was Jeff Teffer. At the time, I had like
Speaker 1: a little personal relationship with you know him, him and
Speaker 1: my dad like had like a little beef and my
Speaker 1: apostles becussing all after the game, like if my son
Speaker 1: don't get tent catches two on the yard and I'm
Speaker 1: cussing you out after the game. So post was turned
Speaker 1: up after every game. You know, Paul Draget turned up
Speaker 1: he I ain't had a game. He wanted me to
Speaker 1: have coach hearing about it. So I feel like that
Speaker 1: kind of hurt me going into the to the league
Speaker 1: because you know, Jeff Teffer was kind of asked about
Speaker 1: certain situations and was like, yeah, I think his dad
Speaker 1: could be a problem with Woo And it just was
Speaker 1: like they kind of hurt my draft, as you know,
Speaker 1: and I took a personal because all the teams have
Speaker 1: passed on me that first year when I was in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: every team to pass on me. I made him play
Speaker 1: my first year. We we went to the NFC Conference
Speaker 1: championship game where I thought I'll scored to win a
Speaker 1: touchdown and we're going to the to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but Larry Fitzgill came down this crazier. That was the year.
Speaker 1: Uh the Steelers played um Arizona in the in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But yeah, that was my rookie year, bro,
Speaker 1: and it was lit, man, it was lit. What's it
Speaker 1: like stepping on that stage? I mean you all about
Speaker 1: five nine? Ja, yeah, give me my five tim by
Speaker 1: telling you right now, I'm like, but when I first
Speaker 1: came in, I was one sixty nine. They gave me
Speaker 1: it was like five nine whatever, like seven corp whatever
Speaker 1: it was. I geet like the average height of an
Speaker 1: average man. And to think that Jack Jack made a
Speaker 1: joke like you played you gotta when you say NBA
Speaker 1: years in the NFL for your size though, like no one.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really really hass off to you, bro.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we're homies. And when I think people
Speaker 1: kind of take that ship for grandaboall for for you
Speaker 1: to accompany and you're not done, but for you to
Speaker 1: making fourteen years in the league at your size, that
Speaker 1: that says a lot about you, man, a lot about you.
Speaker 1: Definitely done. I appreciate that, but you know, I just
Speaker 1: take it back to my mentality just growing up, how
Speaker 1: I grew up having the pops around me. You know,
Speaker 1: they really just didn't really care about anything, like if
Speaker 1: I if I wanted to envision myself or I wanted
Speaker 1: to do something I'm gonna do it. And that's just
Speaker 1: been my mentality the whole time. And always I ain't
Speaker 1: the biggest, but every time I step on the field,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the biggest. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm lying hearted And it's like
Speaker 1: I don't care how big you is. I don't care.
Speaker 1: My pop said, never fair man regards how big how
Speaker 1: small he put his pants on, just like you, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So for me, that's just always
Speaker 1: been my mentality, bro. But uh, I definitely speaks to numbers.
Speaker 1: And like you said, I'm still not done, still playing
Speaker 1: at the high level, and uh you know, I take
Speaker 1: PROBLEMSIP every every time I wake up, every time I
Speaker 1: step on the field. But I want to be the
Speaker 1: best doing it, you know what I mean. I am
Speaker 1: who I am for a reason because that's that mentality.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like that that mama mentality. You
Speaker 1: know the facts y'all played against the y'all know what?
Speaker 1: Uh what it being stamped by Jerry Rice when he
Speaker 1: said he had this kid has all the talent in
Speaker 1: the world. What does that mean for you to to
Speaker 1: be the greatest re siver? Of all time to stamp
Speaker 1: you like that. Yeah, that was a special moment because
Speaker 1: I was. I was before I even played the NFL game.
Speaker 1: Like I was. I had an opportunity because at that
Speaker 1: time my agency that I was signed with he was
Speaker 1: signed to him as well too, so um I had
Speaker 1: a chance to work out with him out and we
Speaker 1: ran routes. He was like, I want you to run
Speaker 1: every route. I ran ligurly every route from route one
Speaker 1: to the go route, and he was like, I only
Speaker 1: got one route. I want to work with you him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just ran like routes and you're telling
Speaker 1: me just one route. So I'm trying to interested to
Speaker 1: what he's gonna say. He was like, you're just running
Speaker 1: too fast on my speed out. I want you to
Speaker 1: slow it down and get under control, and you master
Speaker 1: that ain't nobody's gonna be at the message. So from
Speaker 1: day one, I'm like, I'm thinking he finna critique me.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he was the speed I was like a
Speaker 1: quick out, fire yard out. But he was saying, I'm
Speaker 1: so fast. I need to run that in under control
Speaker 1: and still be fast but not unting too fast round
Speaker 1: like out of control. Renting a route so that route
Speaker 1: is like one of the easiest routes. So that was
Speaker 1: the only route he critiqued me on something like I
Speaker 1: could be special, bro, And I knew that from the
Speaker 1: day when I'm like, I'll do my ship and stay
Speaker 1: on it and work. Yeah, it's it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: good rod. What's the fastest time you ever ran in
Speaker 1: the period for the fastest time, I uh, I ran
Speaker 1: before it was I was in I was in college.
Speaker 1: I want to say, like my junior I ran four
Speaker 1: to four. That's that. Don speed talk about your rookie,
Speaker 1: your rookie experience. When I came in, I just had
Speaker 1: the mentality like I didn't really care who the starting
Speaker 1: re series was, like I'm coming in. I'm taking somebody's spot.
Speaker 1: Like that's my me coming in. I don't Sometimes these
Speaker 1: young dudes they come in, they be asking questions. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: you can't make the game bigger than it is. We've
Speaker 1: been playing this since a little kid in the park.
Speaker 1: Just how I'm sure it is for basketball, Like, once
Speaker 1: you got to the NBA, you can't be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, the lights and all these fans screamed, no,
Speaker 1: we gotta tune in and play ball. So me I
Speaker 1: had the mentality was the game ain't gonna be bigger
Speaker 1: than it is. It's still football. And I think these
Speaker 1: young dudes come in, they'd be like a deer in
Speaker 1: the head, like because they don't understand, like, it's still football.
Speaker 1: It's still bad. It's a sport. It's a game that
Speaker 1: we love growing up. But don't make it bigger. If
Speaker 1: you make it bigger it is, then you're gonna always
Speaker 1: be behind the eight ball trying to figure out them.
Speaker 1: How can I make the game not as big as
Speaker 1: it is? Like, No, I'm the game, I'm the moment
Speaker 1: is big. And that's my philosophy on that ship, bro,
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's a game, bro. We have fun
Speaker 1: with the ship and play at the high level. Sure,
Speaker 1: who are your vests that you leaned on the rookie year?
Speaker 1: As soon as you got to leave A good question, man.
Speaker 1: So when I came in, I had some real old
Speaker 1: g s man special I'm gonna give you the names first,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give you a special story about a
Speaker 1: situation of my rookie year. But so I came in,
Speaker 1: I had Diminly that was my quarterback Brian Westbrook the
Speaker 1: running back. UM sante Samuel Uh. Brian Dawkins said about
Speaker 1: to say with Brian Dawkins. Brian Dawkins, UM a few
Speaker 1: a few dudes, but um the special story. So I
Speaker 1: was I was in like my seventh eighth game and
Speaker 1: we was playing in Chicago this one lads Briggs Uh,
Speaker 1: Brian Urlacker like dogs like you know, Brian, like your
Speaker 1: legitimate could be one of the best, you know played
Speaker 1: the game. So We're playing verse these dudes, and I'm
Speaker 1: like this one of them games where I'm like, then
Speaker 1: I'm really playing versus some dudes that them They're killed
Speaker 1: me if I right across the middle right, so I
Speaker 1: score touchdown. I'm balling in the game. So it becomes
Speaker 1: a point where they punted the ball and I'm back
Speaker 1: putting the ball and I had like clown and had
Speaker 1: the ball in one hand. I fumbled, but we ended
Speaker 1: up getting the ball back. Well, Al must have came
Speaker 1: to Silline brown Dog and must to grab me up.
Speaker 1: Snatched me up because you know, he didn't really cuss.
Speaker 1: It was all about God and like, but he came
Speaker 1: at you on a crazy way. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If you do that again. I'm like talking to me
Speaker 1: like my daddy. Shoot, I'm like, man, I ain't messing
Speaker 1: with that, dude, But you got only But it was
Speaker 1: just the respect, bro, like you got real O. G's
Speaker 1: when you're messing up and you're doing wrong, they're gonna
Speaker 1: create that, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what it started in greatness in me. You know he
Speaker 1: guys like him can do that though, because you know
Speaker 1: he about to die to win the game. He he
Speaker 1: putting his body everything, doing everything, literally legitimately popping his
Speaker 1: neck out of soccer shoulder. I didn't seen him like
Speaker 1: Craig like he was. He really was Weapon X on
Speaker 1: the field. He wasn't Brian Dawkins like he turned in
Speaker 1: the Weapon X on the field like he had a
Speaker 1: Brian Dawkins locker room and he had a Weapon X
Speaker 1: locker room and the Weapon X locker room and all
Speaker 1: the X Men and all these characters in there. And
Speaker 1: when he went on the field, he was he really
Speaker 1: had a locker, bro. He had two lockers, bro, Like
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, bro, dude was he was in a
Speaker 1: special Dude the best. Yeah, what was your welcome to
Speaker 1: the NFL moment, that one moment that he was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm really here. Off the block, I'm here.
Speaker 1: I think I think London Fletcher man, so we just playing.
Speaker 1: I think it was early early in the season, rookie year.
Speaker 1: I think probably, I want to say the second and
Speaker 1: third game. London Fletcher was a linebacker for the back
Speaker 1: Then theres a Redskins Washington Redskins, and uh, I had
Speaker 1: caught like a little fire yard, quick little route and
Speaker 1: I was right over there like the middle of the
Speaker 1: feel like guys, my side wound like to go that here.
Speaker 1: So it was like a little fire yard pass diamond
Speaker 1: like hit me. I caught the ball and all I
Speaker 1: remember was like walking to Silin and everything was just
Speaker 1: like spinning. I'm like I was out for the rest
Speaker 1: of the game. I ain't go back in the game,
Speaker 1: end up having like a concussion. But I'm like, buddy
Speaker 1: smacking you like he had me, Like I didn't know
Speaker 1: where I was at. I ain't gonna lie, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was one of the moments in London.
Speaker 1: He's a big, big dude, bro, and he was he
Speaker 1: was small, but he was like a stock big dude. Linebacker.
Speaker 1: That's like he like bla all muscle all I've seen
Speaker 1: you know how that little video you got the Birds tweet, Like,
Speaker 1: where am I talk about the game against my corboy? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't do that while you're gonna do that. Man,
Speaker 1: the first touchdown you're talking about that dropped the ball
Speaker 1: too early, feeling yourself. Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you had that one, but I'm gonna come back.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak on that momentary and I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: back and hurt your heart with something too. But I remember,
Speaker 1: I know what you know I was. I was young,
Speaker 1: and I was a rookie year. Just just at that
Speaker 1: moment of time, I'm gonna get out of philosophy. So
Speaker 1: for me, growing up playing sports, you're not really able
Speaker 1: to allow the clown and dance and do all this crazies.
Speaker 1: So once you get to the NFL that allow you to,
Speaker 1: you know, having fun and do some crazy shit. So
Speaker 1: for me, I can remember that night before the game,
Speaker 1: like if I scool, I'm just going crazy, like I
Speaker 1: don't care about nothing. I'm getting the ends on them dancing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing every dance I'm trying to just go crazy
Speaker 1: and have fun Monday night football or Sunday whatever it was.
Speaker 1: We was the primetime game. So once I caught the ball,
Speaker 1: I'm them there close to ENDZ and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't even care about this ball. The morning, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get his ends on the dance bro. So that was
Speaker 1: just on my mind. So obviously dropped the ball a
Speaker 1: little short. But uh, yeah, that's something that happened. Ain't
Speaker 1: happening again since the and then I did it in
Speaker 1: high school too, But you know the one the high
Speaker 1: school I was trying to beat the record. Uh, Reggie
Speaker 1: Bush jumped from like the fire yard line in the
Speaker 1: game Versu. You see it first the Bruins and he
Speaker 1: flipped an ends on. So I'm in the All Star Game.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, he dimmed from the fire Let
Speaker 1: me try to jump from the six. So I tried
Speaker 1: to drop six. When I got in the air and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shut off for the bus glass and
Speaker 1: I just dropped the ball because I was bracing the
Speaker 1: impact of how far I tried to jump like a bonehead.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know that happened. I learned, but it
Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen Yeah, let's talk about that ninety one.
Speaker 1: Your touchdown on the side of ends on the cowboy
Speaker 1: he turned around on it. Yeah, I remember that that
Speaker 1: was that was hurt for the punt return, right. I
Speaker 1: got some players versus Cowboys. I literally back in my
Speaker 1: early days when I was in Philadelphia, Man, I looked
Speaker 1: at myself as a Giant killer, a Cowboy killer. I
Speaker 1: killed the Redskins too, But it was just like it
Speaker 1: was some personal because I know that the rivals, like
Speaker 1: being an Eagle, the rider was with the Cowboys, the
Speaker 1: Giant like it's it's it's real, bro. And I had
Speaker 1: a lot of good years man on them. You got
Speaker 1: to taste the playoffs and oh eight, what was your
Speaker 1: first playoff experience? Like, Man, the game moved way faster. Man.
Speaker 1: It was like things was moved like, you know, being
Speaker 1: a rookie adjusting to to my rookie season. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's fast, But the playoffs, Bro, it moved
Speaker 1: like and I'm talking about the first playoff game, like
Speaker 1: the wild card game. Bro. It was like you would
Speaker 1: just think everybody just turned up like twenty notches more
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know why. I guess everybody's
Speaker 1: trying to win the Super Bowl. But it was just
Speaker 1: like the game was just moving faster, bro And for me,
Speaker 1: I just feel like we went on like every game
Speaker 1: was away, like we were. First game we played it
Speaker 1: was in in Minnesota. Then we played uh damn it.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. We played one more and then we
Speaker 1: went to Arizona. But yeah, every game was on the road,
Speaker 1: and it was just like for us to not have
Speaker 1: that home field advantage, like, you know, playing on the road,
Speaker 1: it's it's tough, but that's that's what Bill's character, you know,
Speaker 1: like what you wanna do when everything is against you,
Speaker 1: all adversity or against you. So for me, I just
Speaker 1: love silence in the crowd. But it's nothing like you're
Speaker 1: going to somebody else's house and standing on the couch
Speaker 1: and doing whatever the hell you want, walking out and
Speaker 1: saying we want like with better feelings that working with
Speaker 1: Donovan from that, what was that like? Man? Donovan? Man?
Speaker 1: You know, Donovan was interesting, dude, man, Like you know,
Speaker 1: you hear nothing cut you off. You hear a bunch
Speaker 1: of about him, and to this day don't get along.
Speaker 1: So I always wonder what he was like. They want
Speaker 1: to scrap. It's real. They they had a real personal situation,
Speaker 1: and I could kind of understand it, you know, with
Speaker 1: with the sense of I I never really try to
Speaker 1: talk about people to put people down. But it's just
Speaker 1: like he he was more like on on some selfish
Speaker 1: like he was about his self type ship, you know,
Speaker 1: like you could tell, like with certain quarterbacks, when you're
Speaker 1: the quarterback and you you the vocal point, like sometimes
Speaker 1: you might have to just take it on your shoulder,
Speaker 1: like my bad I missed that through or my bad
Speaker 1: just as a captain of the buildment for the team,
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. It was just like certain
Speaker 1: times he didn't really want to take that up on him,
Speaker 1: you know. And not to say he wasn't a good
Speaker 1: player a good person, but it's just like certain times
Speaker 1: you could tell it was a little more a little
Speaker 1: more selfish, you know, And it was just like as
Speaker 1: a young dude, you really you're not looking for your
Speaker 1: quarterback to be that. You're looking for your quarterback to
Speaker 1: embrace you and and really uplift you, you you know. So
Speaker 1: I could kind of see while him and Teo is
Speaker 1: how they are, you know, Andy Reid, what you learn
Speaker 1: from him man, father figure man, and Andy Reid for
Speaker 1: me was like really like a second father man. And
Speaker 1: you know a special story about that was like I said,
Speaker 1: when I first got drafted, you know, uh, Jeff Teffer
Speaker 1: told told Andy Reid, you know some some hurtful things
Speaker 1: for me because you know, for me, I I know
Speaker 1: how my dad was, you know, heavily involved and you
Speaker 1: know how he used to go off on my coaches,
Speaker 1: but I knew it was always coming from a good
Speaker 1: place in the heart because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: that's his son. He wanted his son to be the best,
Speaker 1: and you know, he wanted to do the best. So
Speaker 1: you know, for me to hear what Jeff Teffer told
Speaker 1: my dad, you know on draft day, because right when
Speaker 1: they drafted me, he got on the phone and was like, basically,
Speaker 1: we don't want your that to be no issue we
Speaker 1: heard about like he was basically all the ship that
Speaker 1: he heard that my apostles doing the college. So for
Speaker 1: me him and then Andy Reid is from Los Angeles too,
Speaker 1: so he grew up in Los Angeles, so he knows
Speaker 1: the young kid coming from l A. He knows the
Speaker 1: temptation and how it is growing up. But he just
Speaker 1: respected me like he was like, you know, I know
Speaker 1: how it is for you know, I know what your
Speaker 1: dad meant for you. But he was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: he was there for me, and he was. He was
Speaker 1: one of the coaches where he didn't really care if
Speaker 1: he was being too hard like you know, you you
Speaker 1: had them coaches read like, he hard on me, but
Speaker 1: it's only for the best, it's only for the betterment
Speaker 1: and me in my career, in my life, so you
Speaker 1: can respect that a little more, you know. And he
Speaker 1: was he was really like, you know, a father figure
Speaker 1: in my life. It's a big difference between being on
Speaker 1: you and critiquing you and actually knowing that they care
Speaker 1: about you. Yeah, I know I've been to that situation
Speaker 1: to playing where coaches being a dick and mad at
Speaker 1: me because you know, his wife being friendly to me
Speaker 1: or something like that. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying I was. It was
Speaker 1: a situation for really, I ain't gonna say nobody's names,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was young at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't help. But she said she knew I was young,
Speaker 1: and she was like a mother, like because my mother
Speaker 1: wasn't around. I was there young and you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And he basically used that against me after
Speaker 1: I made the Rookie All Star Game and didn't play me.
Speaker 1: The whole second happen before, after you kissed her in
Speaker 1: the mouth. Neither. You gotta be preparing for Matt's question
Speaker 1: about two thousand nine. Uh, your father passes, Um, what
Speaker 1: is it like? I had a situation from Golden State,
Speaker 1: and that's when me and Jack became really close to
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, my mom died on cancer
Speaker 1: and died within twenty six days trying to play through
Speaker 1: the season. The whole ship was sucked up. What was
Speaker 1: it like for you being that your father was so
Speaker 1: integral in your development and becoming a man, and pretty
Speaker 1: much right when you get to the league you lose him. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean for me that that was a tough I
Speaker 1: was a tough part of my life. I was. I
Speaker 1: was twenty years old. Like you said, everything my dad
Speaker 1: meant to me for me did for me. You know,
Speaker 1: the relationships, the bonds we built together. You know, it
Speaker 1: was one of the things. I'm like, that's my first
Speaker 1: year in my NFL career, Like everything we planned everything
Speaker 1: we dreamed about, envisioned, like all the ship we talked
Speaker 1: about was gonna be doing, Like my dad was one
Speaker 1: of them. Was like he had all these these Moneys
Speaker 1: millions and all these women. I'm about without cars like traveling,
Speaker 1: like what nothing you can't do. So for me, it
Speaker 1: was just everything he envisioned to see how Possible went
Speaker 1: out like that man, Like, uh, it was hurtful man though,
Speaker 1: So it was. It was actually, I want to say,
Speaker 1: like October and November, so during the season, it's early
Speaker 1: before the playoffs, so he just you know, Pops like, shot,
Speaker 1: you gotta manage. I'm coming out to the manage. I'm
Speaker 1: staying with you. I'm chilling like you know, I'm driving
Speaker 1: your cards like Possible. Really like he was like my brother,
Speaker 1: you know, like we had a great relationship. So during
Speaker 1: the season. I remember he came out there and stayed
Speaker 1: with me during the season, and uh, he kind of
Speaker 1: like just got sick out of nowhere, like he had diabetes.
Speaker 1: So like he's always kind of like naming on the diabetes,
Speaker 1: like I just checking when I go back home, like
Speaker 1: I'm straight. And it kind of like became normal where
Speaker 1: he was like sleeping all day, wasn't really eating and
Speaker 1: it was like this was like right around when he
Speaker 1: was about to make the playoffs. And then I remember
Speaker 1: my older brother, I think my sision came came to
Speaker 1: fitting flew him back to l A and then um,
Speaker 1: you know, he went to the doctor and they basically
Speaker 1: diagnosed him a pincer at the cancer. When they diagnosed
Speaker 1: him what it was staged four. You know, it was
Speaker 1: like two late. They was like basically getting like four
Speaker 1: or five months to live. And uh, this was at
Speaker 1: the period of time where I was in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm playing games like I'm at the highest
Speaker 1: of my highest rookie season, balling like killing like you know,
Speaker 1: the top of the world like and came nothing else
Speaker 1: going wrong, and you know, at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: for me to be losing my pops in the hospital
Speaker 1: on him struggling, I remember him watching the games and
Speaker 1: ship like my brother, they're filming him, I'm on TV
Speaker 1: and he just just everything, you know, they're just kind
Speaker 1: of meant to me. Bro. So it was tough man
Speaker 1: that it was, you know, still to this day, Yeah,
Speaker 1: rest in peace to pass. And people don't understand because
Speaker 1: they think because we're athletes to run in different stage
Speaker 1: that we're not affected by anything, and it is the
Speaker 1: furthest from the truth, you know. I mean to try
Speaker 1: to play with that kind of heavy heart or with
Speaker 1: you know, the second you're not in action, your your
Speaker 1: mind is there instantly, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's rest in peace to posts for sure. Man. You
Speaker 1: know he's looking down and proud of you. We as athletes.
Speaker 1: People think expect us to be so strong and be
Speaker 1: able to take all types of stuff. But my father
Speaker 1: was I didn't have a relationship growing up with my
Speaker 1: father like you, but I it grew as I got older,
Speaker 1: became successful. My father is dead as well. I missed
Speaker 1: my father, so I can imagine for sure, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, being able to be raised by him,
Speaker 1: taught by him right or wrong, and all that, to
Speaker 1: get to where you want to be because of him,
Speaker 1: and not be able to enjoy fully with him. I
Speaker 1: can imagine that, bro, because I didn't grow up. But
Speaker 1: just the fact that I made it and I was
Speaker 1: able to share a little bit of success when my
Speaker 1: father kills me. Now the man I am to date
Speaker 1: that I can't share that with him. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, I think that's the most hurtful, Like
Speaker 1: you said, just the moments and you just know that
Speaker 1: what we're doing it for, like our while. You know,
Speaker 1: you always talk about the wire, like what's your wire?
Speaker 1: What are you doing for? Is this your mother? Your kids,
Speaker 1: when your homeboys, you grew up with your granny. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like everybody got that wire. So within that wire,
Speaker 1: it's like, that's what I'm doing for. And for me,
Speaker 1: that was what I was doing for. You know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't like he was the only reason, but you know,
Speaker 1: he installed who I am today. Like without him, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be sitting right here hot on that show, just
Speaker 1: not saying my mom and other people don't play their parts.
Speaker 1: But you know he takes it. He take a lot
Speaker 1: of Summer December nineteen ten, the only game winning punt
Speaker 1: return in NFL history. Talk to us about that playing
Speaker 1: what's going on the game, blouses. It's just I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just say that. I know I got a lot of
Speaker 1: people to hate me for for that play, man, And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, for me, man, I was just doing what
Speaker 1: I was supposed to do. Man, I was doing my
Speaker 1: job as anybody else would say, ship, I had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to send the New York Giants home. They punted
Speaker 1: to me, which I don't know why the hell they
Speaker 1: would do that anyway, but uh, I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that kicked it or that punty that punted to me.
Speaker 1: Right to that game he got fired. Uh what was
Speaker 1: the name coughing whatever? His first they were conflin was
Speaker 1: create throwing his them. He had Tim Carughing throwing his
Speaker 1: uh clipboard down, and but I don't know, man, that
Speaker 1: play was huge. Man, I don't think I didn't think
Speaker 1: he was gonna pick the ball because she was looking
Speaker 1: up like I guess she was looking at how everybody.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was gonna pick the ball up
Speaker 1: because you let it roll for a minute. I listened, bro,
Speaker 1: when I when I tell you, I didn't think they
Speaker 1: was kicking it and bouncing me. So of course when
Speaker 1: they kicked it, and I'm thinking he going to kick
Speaker 1: it out the stadium, there ain't no way it's standing
Speaker 1: between these white lines. So once I realized it was
Speaker 1: coming to me, like you said I was, I wasn't spooked,
Speaker 1: but I was more surprised, like, damn, this ball already
Speaker 1: coming to me. So in the midst of me dropping
Speaker 1: the ball, I'm trying to already set up what I'm
Speaker 1: doing before I even got this ball. Yeah, as you see,
Speaker 1: I dropped the ball in like a couple of yards
Speaker 1: to the ride of me. Now I'm looking up and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I already knew where the ball has picked
Speaker 1: it up, and I kind of already had an invision
Speaker 1: what I'm doing hitting and sticking my foot in the
Speaker 1: ground going up. Jason Leavant made a killer block, declared
Speaker 1: the dude he out knocked out. I'm running an end
Speaker 1: zone like man, I was really, honestly, Bro, I feel
Speaker 1: like I was on wings, like like party picked me
Speaker 1: up and just flew me into the end zone. That's how.
Speaker 1: But the way the way he looked though when the
Speaker 1: ball was coming, the way you kept looking up, like
Speaker 1: he was looking at his path like you do. Just
Speaker 1: put to run their motherfucker back. Man, That's one of
Speaker 1: the things when you know, when you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's one of them times, bro on
Speaker 1: top of the world. Imagine if he has social media
Speaker 1: back then, what man, I tell these young all the time, Bro,
Speaker 1: they made these crazy play and it's like bro, I
Speaker 1: would have been something. Not to say I ain't big,
Speaker 1: but I would have been away like crazy more. But
Speaker 1: if they had that ship when I was coming out
Speaker 1: of a rookie your college, what like big? Yeah? Man?
Speaker 1: For sure? Though? Is there art in the punt return?
Speaker 1: Like it's a certain mind frame you need to be
Speaker 1: in ship? Is there an artist shooting a three pointer? Repetition?
Speaker 1: So how do you get reps at pump returning? We
Speaker 1: also know we're not gonna get killed from punt return
Speaker 1: that's a great come back? No, man, for me, it ain't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an art in it, but it ain't
Speaker 1: like you can get better by repetition. Like how you
Speaker 1: said there's a three it's one of the things that
Speaker 1: first of all you knu it's it's like a cat
Speaker 1: because you're looking in there and got to be a cat. Bro.
Speaker 1: Like for me, that's like people ask me like how
Speaker 1: am I so good? And how am I so quick?
Speaker 1: And why do I do what I do on the field.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm not thinking about I don't when I
Speaker 1: go on the field or when I'm lining up to
Speaker 1: be receiving. It's a dude, gardener. I don't have no
Speaker 1: plan in my mind that oh I'm about to do this.
Speaker 1: I react off of everything. So that's why I like,
Speaker 1: if you do something, I'm gonna react off it. So
Speaker 1: if you think you show me down, that's why I'm
Speaker 1: an react off and go the other way bro like anything.
Speaker 1: So it's like me, I al really feel like I
Speaker 1: play like a cat, Like I'm just got count for everything.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like agile and whatever you do,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna react to it, and I'm gonna beat you,
Speaker 1: counterpunching everything you're swinging and I'm ducking. That's just my mentality.
Speaker 1: I'll take the start. Um. Everybody knows, you know, the
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons situation with you know, contract negotiations and not
Speaker 1: reporting and this is and that you had a similar
Speaker 1: situation like that in two thousand and eleven. Um, speak
Speaker 1: to that and speak to knowing your worth and believing
Speaker 1: in yourself. More than anything, I think it's important as
Speaker 1: a as an athlete. That's as athletes first, how we
Speaker 1: look at ourselves as a business and how we take
Speaker 1: our mindset of everything we do when we put into
Speaker 1: our body. If it's you know, like nutrition, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: studying longer taking care of your body. The stop like
Speaker 1: whatever it is you invest into your body is what
Speaker 1: you're gonna get out of it. And I think sometimes
Speaker 1: us being athletes, people were just assumed we just all
Speaker 1: these and an a list, and these people sit back
Speaker 1: and you know, critique us for who we are, Like
Speaker 1: they don't really understand we have to invest in ourselves
Speaker 1: just as well as like the teams, the gms, the owners,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do what's best for them as a as
Speaker 1: an owner. When it's time to give a person money
Speaker 1: or to cut the person, they don't think about that.
Speaker 1: But the minute we want to take care of ourselves
Speaker 1: and put ourselves first, we're in trouble or we we
Speaker 1: asked whole or oh he's not a bad team, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But it's like, we're just doing
Speaker 1: what's best for us. So for me at that point
Speaker 1: in time, I'm like, y'a've been promising me a contract
Speaker 1: and y'all haven't rewarded me with my contract, So why
Speaker 1: am I going to continuually put my body on the
Speaker 1: line risk getting hurt injured. I go to practice and
Speaker 1: I tear anything, and it's like, now my contract is
Speaker 1: I'm not worthy of my contract. So for me, I
Speaker 1: feel like as athletes, when we stand up what was
Speaker 1: right for us, we we looked at as the bad guy.
Speaker 1: We're labeled as a as a cancer. You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But at the end of the day, you're
Speaker 1: just you're looking off for the best in yourself. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying if you already rewarded with the contract
Speaker 1: and you post a show, it's different, you know, like
Speaker 1: certain situations Ben Simmons, certain situations is different. But when
Speaker 1: you're due for something that you didn't put that working
Speaker 1: and you have been rewarded for it, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta right to stand up for what you deserve. Fact
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. Uh then the franchise, franchise, tagg and
Speaker 1: you resigned a five year contract, uh north to fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars. How did that make you feel? Well? Well,
Speaker 1: when I got franchise, that was almost like they just
Speaker 1: did that one kind of year, just get them back
Speaker 1: in the Yeah, like we we're gonna get you, because
Speaker 1: I think that that was one year for ten million,
Speaker 1: which in reality the five years I will still end
Speaker 1: up getting the timber and something like all right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come in there, but in my mind, I'm I know, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play on this one year, ten million
Speaker 1: dollar deal because if I get hurt, then it's still
Speaker 1: like I don't have no solidity. I'm not solidifying in
Speaker 1: my future for the next three years. It's not guaranteed,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. So for me, it
Speaker 1: was just like one of the things where they was like,
Speaker 1: all right, just sign it and come in and let's
Speaker 1: try to work out a deal. So basically I kind
Speaker 1: of knew that, so I signed the franchise and then,
Speaker 1: like I want to say, like a few weeks later,
Speaker 1: we end up getting the deal done. So it was
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I pat you on my bag,
Speaker 1: you pat me on mine, like we're gonna get this deal,
Speaker 1: and I took the word and it actually worked out.
Speaker 1: But for me it felt good because I find a
Speaker 1: guy what I was deserving of. And for me at
Speaker 1: that time, I remember they used to promise me like
Speaker 1: my second third year, they was promising to day was
Speaker 1: gonna redo my contract because back then Philly was known
Speaker 1: for getting their players that early and locking them up,
Speaker 1: like giving them some money earlier and locking them up
Speaker 1: for later in their career. So for me, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: it was rewarding, bro, And it was like, you know
Speaker 1: all the work I was putting into it. It made
Speaker 1: me feel good two fourteen statistically, Uh, your best season,
Speaker 1: your third Pro Bowl selection? Uh? And then you released
Speaker 1: after everything you would have been through with that team.
Speaker 1: What was that experience? Like, ah, yeah, he coaching the
Speaker 1: ul A right now. You know what's how about? It was?
Speaker 1: It was personal, man, for me coming off my best
Speaker 1: statistic year, I mean with eighty three catches over thirte yards,
Speaker 1: nine touchdown. Like you you're releasing the dude after him
Speaker 1: being a Pro Bowl receiver, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like in my mind, I'm like, what's going on? And
Speaker 1: what kind of with mind? Bothering to me was the
Speaker 1: allegations and the stories they dug up and made up
Speaker 1: that It was like that was the reason why they
Speaker 1: released me. Oh he's a game and where he hangs
Speaker 1: out with does criminals he's doing you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, I have no felons, I have no
Speaker 1: no record, I ain't never been the jail. Like you're saying,
Speaker 1: you're mad at me because I grew up where I
Speaker 1: grew up and hang out who I hang out with,
Speaker 1: so it's for me. It was kind of like a
Speaker 1: staff of my back bro And it was like everything
Speaker 1: I did for y'all and coming off my best years,
Speaker 1: like y'all just come like if y'all didn't want to
Speaker 1: pay me, just tell me you don't want to pay,
Speaker 1: but to try to tarnish my name and who I
Speaker 1: am like, and then you got other teams looking, damn,
Speaker 1: do we want to take a risk of him doing
Speaker 1: like is there something that's gonna come out like he
Speaker 1: had to come out here going to jail, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was just like it was a
Speaker 1: situation for me and I took that personal. That's why
Speaker 1: I did go to to Washington. Every time I played
Speaker 1: the Eagles, I made him regret that decision. Let's I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to touch on that a little bit because
Speaker 1: obviously he is the head coach we're talking about. Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly is the head coach U c l A. And
Speaker 1: there was a lot of racial allegations um swarming around
Speaker 1: the way he moved and and perceived m A handful
Speaker 1: of you guys, some of the better players on the team. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, can you speak to that a little bit.
Speaker 1: When he first came in, it was like, you you
Speaker 1: you you're doing something that professional athletes shouldn't have to,
Speaker 1: you know, go through. Like when you when you first
Speaker 1: the head coach you come in, that's like coming in
Speaker 1: telling your starter, you playing bed stag whoever y'all starting
Speaker 1: five is. And you got a new head coach to
Speaker 1: come in and say, from the get go, none of
Speaker 1: y'all starters. Are you telling me pro bowlers or All
Speaker 1: Star player, tinton whatever, Michael Vig, Sean Coin me all
Speaker 1: the start, like no one was the starter. He basically said,
Speaker 1: everybody gotta earn their spots. We're looking at this dude like, bro,
Speaker 1: you know what he's talked to Like, Bro, we pro bothers.
Speaker 1: We hey way more than you like you talking about
Speaker 1: we all basically don't start. So we like from that
Speaker 1: gig go, it was like and she came in and
Speaker 1: was trying to do like we really felt like we
Speaker 1: as college players, like we really felt like he was
Speaker 1: trying to control us on some college and it was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: we've been through that phase already. Bro, we professional athletes,
Speaker 1: and we know what it takes to get it done
Speaker 1: at the high level. We've been doing this ship, So
Speaker 1: for me, that ship was kind of personal. Bro, just
Speaker 1: everything he tried to come doing, you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: like you letting go of players, this legitimi the best
Speaker 1: of the best me McCoy, Michael Vicks. Like, Bro, if
Speaker 1: you would have kept that team and the other Bro,
Speaker 1: that team could have, especially Bro, we could have legitimately
Speaker 1: won the Super Bro. And it was like he broke
Speaker 1: that team up and brought people in that he wanted
Speaker 1: to bring in and probably was going yes man him
Speaker 1: or listen to every command he wanted, and it was
Speaker 1: like us, we really we really felt like we didn't
Speaker 1: have to do that because we already gained our respect
Speaker 1: and we were who we were. Is he well in
Speaker 1: the Urban was he doing? Was he Urban Meyer before
Speaker 1: Urban Mind? Were Urbans doing in Jacksonville? Kind of trying
Speaker 1: to bring that college. It ain't gonna work, Bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that, don't get me wrong, his offensive scheme
Speaker 1: because we're bought like we had Like I said, I
Speaker 1: had my best as statistics from the offensive side of it.
Speaker 1: But it's the outside. Yeah, it's like the day to
Speaker 1: day like he wanted us to put a heart money
Speaker 1: on going to sleep and see how many others people slept.
Speaker 1: Professional athlete, Like, we're not college, bro. He asked people
Speaker 1: to pay in the cup to see how hydrated you is. Like, Bro,
Speaker 1: if you can't come in and performing the best of
Speaker 1: your ability and you know you're a professional athlene you
Speaker 1: getting paid all this money? What are we doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like he almost
Speaker 1: had like people on the least, but it's like, you
Speaker 1: can't implement that in the professional level. But it's the
Speaker 1: same thing they're saying about urban mind. That's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: The same thing. It ain't gonna work, Bros. It's hard
Speaker 1: to do. You gotta like the Andy Reid's the bill
Speaker 1: better ships, like the coaches that the mar respect, but
Speaker 1: give respect and understand you got a player mentality relationship.
Speaker 1: Like if you can't go howle at your head coach?
Speaker 1: Like you feel like you can't talk to your head coach.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna put put yourself on the line
Speaker 1: when it's in the game and you gotta go on one?
Speaker 1: How are you gonna put yourself on the line for
Speaker 1: your coach? You feel like you came do the same
Speaker 1: for you, you know what I'm saying. So that's just
Speaker 1: the mentality that I feel like it was went wrong
Speaker 1: with him. What was it like working with Michael Vick?
Speaker 1: You got that a special connection man, Michael Vick. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's one of the best players I didn't
Speaker 1: ever play with, but we we had. We had the
Speaker 1: most of the most Like if if I look back
Speaker 1: and you know, do all the statistics, like we me
Speaker 1: and him had some of the biggest plays, like legitimate,
Speaker 1: so many players we could pull up and look man,
Speaker 1: and for me, like growing up, he was an eyder
Speaker 1: than me, you know, on the first Black quarterbacks taking
Speaker 1: first round everything he went through, Um, you know it's
Speaker 1: one of his cousins. Boys he grew up with end
Speaker 1: up snitching on him. He's trying to take care of everybody.
Speaker 1: Had a hunt of dudes rolling with him, taking care
Speaker 1: of everybody lifestyles. Like I learned so much from you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Just from me being younger looking
Speaker 1: up to him and being able to have a chance
Speaker 1: to really sit in the same rooms and have like
Speaker 1: a big bro little bowl relationship like and when we
Speaker 1: first met, he was like man, I see a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of you and me. And it was when
Speaker 1: he told me that ship kind of fuck me up
Speaker 1: because I'm like, damn, Like while you said that, he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I just see all your boys,
Speaker 1: you're taking you doing this, you're doing that. Like I
Speaker 1: was the same way, but he was like, you need
Speaker 1: to cut that because if it really comes down to it,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna have your back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If it comes a situation where issuing them, they're gonna
Speaker 1: choose them, you know. And it was like he really
Speaker 1: learned like betrilled, like people really stabbing on his back
Speaker 1: for people he took care of, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he kind of like taught me that early. So
Speaker 1: for me, I was able to see like, you know,
Speaker 1: let me start cutting back, let me stop doing You
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying, Because everybody loves you when you're
Speaker 1: on top and you're hand the money and you shopping
Speaker 1: and you're taking spreeze. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: everybody love you. But the minute you don't do something
Speaker 1: for somebody, how they feel about you, so you say,
Speaker 1: now are gone? Anyway, I hope he get hurt. I
Speaker 1: hope he getting cut. You know what I'm saying, just
Speaker 1: a little ship like that. But on the field, I
Speaker 1: mean one of the best deep balls. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got a nice deep ball through right now. Uh in Stafford.
Speaker 1: But like I said, you and Mike's deep ball connection
Speaker 1: was under the level, Mike, Mike Vick. Ye as far
Speaker 1: as now, Like you know, I'm intrigued to see how
Speaker 1: it's gonna work out with me and matth staff Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 1: but right now you're to date, Mike Vicks has been
Speaker 1: the best quarterback I played with it just as far
Speaker 1: as the deep ball, the home I'm balled through the
Speaker 1: deep passes like his arm was effortless. Looks just slinging.
Speaker 1: He used to be like this and throw eighty yards.
Speaker 1: How can man doing that and throw the ball like
Speaker 1: you ain't even doing that. He's doing it like how
Speaker 1: you throw the ball at eighty yards just flicking the
Speaker 1: rist Mark's ninth my birthday, by the way, two thousand
Speaker 1: and seventeen, you pick yourself up a nice three year
Speaker 1: deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh. What was it
Speaker 1: like being out there in Tampa? You had a young
Speaker 1: Mike william Or. Uh Mike Evans, right, yeah, tample weapons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tampa was a It was a cool vibe. Man. It
Speaker 1: was actually my first time I think I was just
Speaker 1: turning thirty thirty one over whatever it was, and it
Speaker 1: was like my first time my career where I could
Speaker 1: go playing some good weather. I'm like, I'm used to
Speaker 1: being in the code. He's oh phity Washington. It was
Speaker 1: like I had a chance to go to Florida. So
Speaker 1: when I first went to Florida, I got out there
Speaker 1: and Temple was hot. I ain't you you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a category. I ain't used to that. Tampa. When I
Speaker 1: went out there hunting ten degrees, hunting, uh, present humidity,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, this is gonna be brute. I remember
Speaker 1: the first year. I remember the first game I'm playing
Speaker 1: in the game, Like if I knew it was gonna
Speaker 1: be this, I probably went to sign. But I'm about there.
Speaker 1: I never had a heat strug brother first game and
Speaker 1: I'm about to die. But now it was cool man,
Speaker 1: it was good aws. Uh you know Jamis Wilson was there.
Speaker 1: Like you said, we had Chris Godwin, Uh, Mike, Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: you know the team with the team was five. We
Speaker 1: we really didn't had too many. We had good players,
Speaker 1: but we didn't play that good. You know, two years
Speaker 1: went five with five and eleven. So we never really
Speaker 1: end up. You know, Jamis kind of struggle a little bit.
Speaker 1: Me and him really really never connected like that, And uh,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the most of that story. It was,
Speaker 1: so you head back, uh to Philly where you were
Speaker 1: sucked in with that situation getting there or what was
Speaker 1: your your approach heading back to Philly. So heading back
Speaker 1: to Philly in twenty nineteen, it was honestly at this point,
Speaker 1: chip Kelly was gone. They had brought an old coach
Speaker 1: back when I was used to be with Andy reid
Speaker 1: Um Doug Peterson was the head coach. So I had
Speaker 1: like a good relationship with Doug Peterson, so I could
Speaker 1: remember when I was in when I was in Washington,
Speaker 1: it was like they was trying to figure out a
Speaker 1: ways to get me back, like literally like four or
Speaker 1: five years and they was trying to get me back
Speaker 1: because I was killing them so bad, like every time
Speaker 1: I played, and we gotta fire away to get back,
Speaker 1: like chip Kelly gone, Like let's figure out a way
Speaker 1: to get him back. So I was in the talks,
Speaker 1: you know, not not a lot of people suposting to it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know we talked here and there. You
Speaker 1: know how ideas when a team wants you and you
Speaker 1: know they ain't posed behind that, they like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: figure out the way to get your ads back. So
Speaker 1: it's just one of the things. But the reunion was
Speaker 1: actually it was good. It was good because you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like I really should have never left in
Speaker 1: the first place, and it was like the person that
Speaker 1: really made the decision, it wasn't there no more. And
Speaker 1: even though the GM was there and certain people was there,
Speaker 1: like when Chip Kelly was here, they literally gave him
Speaker 1: the key to everything, like he was like the general manager.
Speaker 1: He was bringing players in, like it was everything that
Speaker 1: was him. So I kind of really didn't feel that
Speaker 1: much of a weight towards the owner in the GM.
Speaker 1: But you know, they all ended together. You know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, they first game back, you
Speaker 1: break a record, uh to get you into I think
Speaker 1: second place, Uh ship you surpassed Randy Moss. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the hell of his name. First and force, when
Speaker 1: you hear yourself knowing where you come from, what you've
Speaker 1: been through the journey you've been on. When you start
Speaker 1: passing people like Randy Moss and lessons of the game
Speaker 1: like that, what does that mean to you? I mean, honestly, man,
Speaker 1: in the midst of it, you know, you feel good
Speaker 1: about it, but it's still like I ain't done, because
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like I I still
Speaker 1: know I got a lot left in the tank, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm continuously still putting on, man. And
Speaker 1: it's like as much as I feel like I've arrived
Speaker 1: or I've accomplished something, like I ain't done yet, bro.
Speaker 1: So I'm still I'm not really content with that because
Speaker 1: I know I still want to push that that that
Speaker 1: bar I want to push that you ain't You ain't
Speaker 1: sat back and just thought about really, I mean moments
Speaker 1: he was here and there to hit me like I
Speaker 1: see something like damn. You know, But when you're in
Speaker 1: the midst of it, bro, you really really yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't really get too much caught up in it. Because
Speaker 1: if I sit back and get too much caught up
Speaker 1: in it, it's gonna take me off my ground. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get off like I'm still on the needle.
Speaker 1: Uh first touchdown with the Rams, you're tied for the
Speaker 1: most uh seventy five plush yard touched. That's sucking crazy
Speaker 1: to say. If y'ard touched out, you tie the record
Speaker 1: the most, Like what's that like for you? That that
Speaker 1: one right there was special And the reason the reason
Speaker 1: why I said that one special because it happened back home,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's that's where I started
Speaker 1: playing that, you know. So for me to come back
Speaker 1: home like literally was so far Stadi was built, was
Speaker 1: where I played part wanta ball. That ground up, that soil,
Speaker 1: all that dirt right there is where I used to
Speaker 1: play ball. That being a little hard hitted, snotty nose
Speaker 1: boy like I was in the backyards playing over there,
Speaker 1: bro So for me to come back and score my
Speaker 1: setting with ninth, serdeni fire, like you said that that
Speaker 1: number is. I didn't ever really know about that stat
Speaker 1: that one kind of caught me yard. I knew about
Speaker 1: the fifty yard or the sifty yarder, but when they
Speaker 1: said serdny fire, that might be hard for anybody to
Speaker 1: be right there because the last person that had I
Speaker 1: think it was like one or something crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So gotta say, Man, I'm still in
Speaker 1: the midst of I can't. I can't get content. Bro.
Speaker 1: Maybe one day we'll sit back and you know, do
Speaker 1: what we do and talk about it. But as right now, Uh,
Speaker 1: toughest defenses to come to mind. A couple of defensive
Speaker 1: come to mind over throughout your thirteen plus your career.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I would probably have to say I had
Speaker 1: to go back to the early days, like my my
Speaker 1: rookie year, I would probably say, like the Pitchburgh Steelers,
Speaker 1: Troy Polama, who, uh, Joey Porter, Uh, what's the what's
Speaker 1: the big Harrison Harrison? Yeah, James James Harrison still bench
Speaker 1: pressed the house. Um, yeah, that that defense was crazy.
Speaker 1: Casey Hayward, Oh, I can't forget about air reading and
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis. It was called Boston Moore was called back
Speaker 1: then too. It was something. It was something about the
Speaker 1: AFC back then towns and yeah, towns and they they
Speaker 1: had according to I can't remember his name, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they they were them two defenses was called back off
Speaker 1: the field. Uh, you're part of the Tupac all Eyes
Speaker 1: on Me project with our man Lt. Hut. I saw
Speaker 1: the cameo. I didn't know that, yeah, but you behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. But our man LT talked to us how
Speaker 1: that came about, and uh some some of the other
Speaker 1: business stuff you interested in off the field shit. So
Speaker 1: I mean the LT situation obviously, you know LT. Just
Speaker 1: the relationship with you know, Snooping. You know, since I've
Speaker 1: been a young kid back and going to high school college,
Speaker 1: you know, I used to always just be around him,
Speaker 1: hanging out with him. So, you know, me and LT
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, just genuinely, you know, built the
Speaker 1: relationship where I knew he was in the music industry.
Speaker 1: You know, I was dealing with some music stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: I got a record label. He was kind of helping
Speaker 1: me on and you know, LT us always be like,
Speaker 1: you know, I know you love his music ship, but
Speaker 1: he was like, this movie stuff is where you need
Speaker 1: to put your money. And He's like, I could guarantee
Speaker 1: you get your money back on the movie. He said,
Speaker 1: the music, I can't guarantee you come back your money
Speaker 1: back on the music, but he said this movie I could.
Speaker 1: I could guarantee that. So you know, we came together
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I invested in the Tupac film
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he had the company called The
Speaker 1: Program Pictures where you know, he had like a lot
Speaker 1: of projects, you know that he was working on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the Tupact. You know, growing up, I'm a dollhard. Tupac
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite he don't know what any
Speaker 1: of course, you know, Tupac is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: You know, getting through when I was young and just
Speaker 1: hearing gunshots and just living in the hood, like I
Speaker 1: should throw Tupac on it. He would help, you know,
Speaker 1: relieve like certain situations I went through. So that to
Speaker 1: being able to have a piece in that Tupac movie,
Speaker 1: that's like, that's a legendary for me. That's like one
Speaker 1: of my goals, like you say, a pet p or
Speaker 1: something you on your bucket list that you gotta have
Speaker 1: before you die, Like that's one of the things. To
Speaker 1: being connected with something that had to do with Tupac
Speaker 1: being a producer in this movie. That's bigger than having
Speaker 1: a party and yeah, now you're right, And then for
Speaker 1: that to be saying like yeah, that was that was
Speaker 1: crazy would even be a part of right. You know
Speaker 1: that you have a weekly podcast, Fade the booth Um,
Speaker 1: talk to us about that you got to cut, you
Speaker 1: put a couple of episodes out, You've got something the bank.
Speaker 1: What were trying to get across with that? So so
Speaker 1: fade the booth man. Um, So I got hurt, I wannestly.
Speaker 1: I got hurt about like the two thousand nineteen and
Speaker 1: I had like a growing injury surgery and I was
Speaker 1: off for the season. So I'm sitting back, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: you're twelve. I'm like, man, I can't play football forever, Like,
Speaker 1: let me figure out something knocking, you know, do where
Speaker 1: it's like fun and it ain't hard for me, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I'm sitting back thinking, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, my brother always had a camera in my
Speaker 1: face that had documentaries. He still shoots out now. But uh,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I was always, you know, in front
Speaker 1: of a camera. It's like this ship is easy to me. Bro.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, let me, you know, bring people and
Speaker 1: there y'all to y'all inspired it, you know, getting a
Speaker 1: kid willow like you know, seeing young brothers kind of
Speaker 1: doing their thing. And I'm sitting back like, you know,
Speaker 1: let me, let me get into the podcast industry. And
Speaker 1: for me, I just really wanted to open up and
Speaker 1: you know, give you know, my platform and you know
Speaker 1: my viewers just the inside to me, you know, and
Speaker 1: not only me, but you know my guest. You know,
Speaker 1: I had a little Wayne come on had uh you know, Mark,
Speaker 1: Shawn Lynch, Michael Vick, Michael Rubin, just give him a
Speaker 1: different perspective, you know, Like I had an owner on here,
Speaker 1: like a billionaire owner, just talking about like lifestyle things
Speaker 1: like what made him who he was at early because
Speaker 1: he was twenty years old, thirteen years old, had a
Speaker 1: billionaire mentality. You know, people invested in them, you know,
Speaker 1: him taking out money like things that me, being twelve
Speaker 1: years old, I wouldn' thought about, like how his mind
Speaker 1: was programed. Like So it's just for me just opening
Speaker 1: up and talking about situations that people can sit back
Speaker 1: and know that like we all might be celebrities, we
Speaker 1: all might be who we are, but we still went
Speaker 1: through ship that it was that defining point in our life.
Speaker 1: Like you know, so for me to fade the booth
Speaker 1: is really just letting people know it's possible to make it.
Speaker 1: Like everybody that's successful, we go through something and I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people be sitting back at home, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I tried this and it didn't work, So let me
Speaker 1: give up? No, like, keep going, like, figure out what
Speaker 1: it is you want to do. So for me, I
Speaker 1: love inspired, man. So Faith the Booth is really just inspired. Man.
Speaker 1: Where can they find that? So Faith the Booth you
Speaker 1: can find on I g then you know it's on
Speaker 1: you know, YouTube, Spotify, it tunes, you know the whole time.
Speaker 1: Shout check man. I love for y'all to come on
Speaker 1: mind to you know, we gotta cross promoted man. Fatherhood.
Speaker 1: You got two little guys. How important is that to you? Man? Fatherhood? Man,
Speaker 1: It's huge to me. I'll look at fatherhood as you know,
Speaker 1: what do I want my kids to hear about me
Speaker 1: when they when they grow up and they become older.
Speaker 1: You know, what are people gonna say about their dad?
Speaker 1: You know? And for me, I'm gonna stand up. Dude.
Speaker 1: I'm a respectful dude. You know, I'm a hard working dude,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I just want them to know that,
Speaker 1: you know, they pops as a real one, you know,
Speaker 1: and they got something to look up to. But then
Speaker 1: then my kids gonna be real is they might not
Speaker 1: grow up and live. I live, but I'm install that
Speaker 1: and and have them understanding like you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: get you gotta work for what you want on here,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think me and a father for
Speaker 1: me kind of you know. Let me know, it's not
Speaker 1: all about myself. You know when you before you have kids,
Speaker 1: you put yourself first. And it's like, now that I
Speaker 1: have kids, I'm not first anymore, my kids, but first,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's all I look at it. Quick hitters,
Speaker 1: final stretch, first thing to come to mind. Let us know.
Speaker 1: Top five receivers are all time, Top five receivers all time.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Jerry Rice, uh
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, Michael Irving, Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson. Who's I'm
Speaker 1: up there? I ain't put me in there, but I'm up.
Speaker 1: The Top three artists, Our songs on rotation on Game Day.
Speaker 1: Top three artists, Our songs. I got Um, I got
Speaker 1: Nipsey for show, Nipsey hustle on there, um Tupac our
Speaker 1: lives on me. Third one probably would be I like
Speaker 1: the young jeezy, But when I knew, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about just say geez, why jeez, Yeah, you're the old
Speaker 1: man one. Yeah to be on there for sure. If
Speaker 1: you can go back and relive one moment in your
Speaker 1: career high school, college, NFL up to this point, where
Speaker 1: would it be, man, high school? Bro? I would probably
Speaker 1: say if I could rewind time, and I would want
Speaker 1: to go back to my high school days. Man. I
Speaker 1: used to really have so much fun in high school,
Speaker 1: being being like a junior senior, having all them scholarships offers,
Speaker 1: being a dude. You know, back then, I had a car,
Speaker 1: like you know we used to just you ain't had
Speaker 1: no I ain't got no bills and mars. Give me
Speaker 1: a little money here and there. I'm going hanging with
Speaker 1: the homes. We're hanging out, hanging with ain't no telling
Speaker 1: wore doing? Man, I used to have fun. But I
Speaker 1: think about now thirty fun Like damn, we're all the
Speaker 1: time ago. But it's like, if you could relive it
Speaker 1: like high school, if I like some good moments from
Speaker 1: the top Top three favorite NBA players to watch Top three? Uh,
Speaker 1: number one, I'm wrong, Na, he don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: you know I argue with a lot of these dudes
Speaker 1: on this Kobe Bryant thing, man, because I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't get me wrong, Lebron is freaking nation like
Speaker 1: he's really one on one, but he don't. He don't
Speaker 1: got that killer instinct. I say the same thing, he
Speaker 1: don't got that dog, And I'm like, it's it's times
Speaker 1: where you know, took over. He did his thing, but
Speaker 1: he got dog. Just ain't the Kobe dog. A lot
Speaker 1: of times he passing the ball, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: if you're the dog, you know, man, two or three minutes,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see you passing. You're taking over.
Speaker 1: It's just for me, y'all. You know, I know Kobe
Speaker 1: gonna take over. He might shoot them up a hunt
Speaker 1: of times. But but yeah, so Kobe um Ai Chuck
Speaker 1: and uh my third man, my third probably be uh.
Speaker 1: I like, damn man, Yeah, five dinner guests dead, are alive,
Speaker 1: Five dinner guests chopping it about life. Hmmm. I would
Speaker 1: have liked to do pack shit Kobe, Uh, I say,
Speaker 1: Eli Muss Beyonce and probably the last one I'd probably
Speaker 1: go with h m hmm. Man, I'm talking last seat,
Speaker 1: last seat. Who can I say the comedian that you
Speaker 1: might want to laugh a little bit, said they Chappelle.
Speaker 1: He on the hot seat right now. It ain't even
Speaker 1: to be honest, it ain't even hot. Mother's who had
Speaker 1: something to say. I wish you motherfucking would right the
Speaker 1: ground love it. Last question the goat. Okay, the last
Speaker 1: question is remember your answer. You gotta help us get
Speaker 1: your answer on the show. Right. Who do you want
Speaker 1: to see on All the Smoke? Mm hmm. He's gonna
Speaker 1: that's easy. But he's gonna do that without it. That's easy.
Speaker 1: Ship Bron. So. I just ran into bron last night
Speaker 1: at Westbrooks. They had the premiere last that I've seen Broun.
Speaker 1: I said, Bro, it's time in season three. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. I think everybody can do It's
Speaker 1: a good thing about it though. It's a lot of podcasting,
Speaker 1: a lot of shows. But everybody waiting for him to
Speaker 1: sit on that couch, no question. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They waiting for him do it. Y'all could do it?
Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on, can do it? Wait on?
Speaker 1: Well man. That's a rap for Sean Jackson. Last name,
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