1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke. Jack what's happening? Yeah? Yeah, 4 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: I like him. I like that. Get my problems. My 5 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: hands ain't clammity whatever y'all call them clammy whatever. That 6 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: ship is Riga, you got your pH balance right, Yeah, 7 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm I like your shoes and your sweatshirt. Though. 8 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: Appreciate one one to day. I appreciate it. Bro, Man, 9 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: we're back man season three. Uh, it's good to be back. 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: We're back rolling. We're back in l A. We got 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: family in the building today. Man, last name one of 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: the one of one of our homies, my old next 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: door neighbor, current Los Angeles Ram Deshan Jackson. Appreciate about time. 14 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: Appreciate you finding time. I mean you're back home l A. Rams, 15 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean you're going into your fourteen season fourteen D 16 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: we both play four teens and you're playing at home. 17 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. Man. For me, it's like 18 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: everything come back full circle. You know, to be in 19 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: the NFL, to come from Los Angeles, California, born and 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: raised to play pop wanted to grow up in a 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: sports city. Never really been able to play at home. 22 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't play thirteen years in the NFL, 23 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: and every time it's time to go to season, I 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: gotta go to the East coast, Philly, Tamble, Washington. So 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: for me that this this time back around a special 26 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: man and it means a little more man. But talk 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: to us about because we talked off air, I got 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: a chance to play at home. You never got a 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: chance to play at home right close, but not home. 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Have you got to kind of change your whole mentality 31 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: because you're older now, you know what I mean? You 32 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: on you on your last you know handful of years, 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, guy Willing, Uh, you know obviously aspiration, the 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: goals to touch that Hall of Fame with You're on 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: pace to talk to the fans about how you kind 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: of had to come back to l A. But also, 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, keep that focus. First off, when I first 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: came out, when I realized I was coming back home, 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: because I kind of knew before I got a great 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: relationship with Sha mcvei, so um, you know, when I 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: found out I was coming back home, the first thing 42 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: I did was changed the phone, then changed both numbers 43 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: right around, Like I'm going back home. It's Hollywood, you know, 44 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: the hood. You know, I go hang out with the homies. 45 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, the first thing I'm doing is changing my number. So, um, 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: I remember Sean McVeigh actually like the next day we 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: signed and then he hit me like dam I can't 48 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: even get a holdie. I'm like, yeah, coach had to 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: change the number. It's like, man, that's that serious thing. 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: But for me, like coming back home. You know, I'm 51 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: thirty four years old, you know, going fourteenth year. So 52 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: for me, like you know, I know these last few years, 53 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: I got a real shot at you know, solidifying the 54 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame spotting for me, you know, being being 55 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: able to be one of the biggest deep threats ever, 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, passing Jerry Rice, Randy, Andy mar you get 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So for me growing up, like that's 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: what I had inspired me, you know, and for me 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: to be in the same conversations with them type of dudes, 60 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: like I had to come back and let people know 61 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: that I'm not here at the party. I'm not here 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: to be at One Oak like now, I'm here to 63 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: do my thing on the field and win the Super 64 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: bo Bro. That's my main focus. So I had to 65 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, solidify that first. I mean that that that 66 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: kind of leads us into our next question. I mean, 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: you have a team that that that that has a 68 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: chance to a ring, you know what I mean. And 69 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: you're back at home on top of that, So talk 70 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: to us what that atmosphere has been like? Uh, you know, 71 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: teaming up with Matthew Stafford, you guys got a loaded 72 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: old loaded defense. What's that environment been like? Man? Honestly, 73 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: you know I didn't playing on some good teams going 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: back to the year with Michael Vick, Sean McCoy, Jeremy 75 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: Matt Like, we had we had some dogs back in Philly. 76 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: But I mean to fast forward everything right now, like 77 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: you said, Aaron Donald, Jaden Ramsey, Like, I'm playing with 78 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: some dogs, like legitimate players in the league right now. 79 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: You know, Aaron know what he was the number two 80 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: overall player. Jane Razzy I think was thirteen in the 81 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: top one hunter. So for me to be on this team, man, 82 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: like I knew stepping in, like we really got a 83 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: shot to win the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl 84 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: here in l A. But you know, we want to 85 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: pick too soon. It's a long season. Rock Cowboys doing good. Great, 86 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: that's a lot of good teams. But we know, you know, 87 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: if we just keep our head down China mentality and 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: keep working every day, if we look at every week 89 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: like we want to go we zero zero trying to 90 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: go one and know at the end of the season, 91 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: I think you know that I have a stand in 92 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: the last one you mentioned coach McVay, you had a 93 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: prior relationship with him. Speak to how you guys relationships started. 94 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: Man back in what was that two thousand and fourteen? 95 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: I remember when uh I got released by the Philadelphia Eagles. 96 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: Everybody you know who knows me knows about that situation, 97 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I had a chance to go 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: to a few teams, but it was it was personal. 99 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: I had to stay in that division, NFC East. Like 100 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm like Eagles just coming like there's only a few 101 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Thames I already wanted to go to. So I'm like 102 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: Washington with the team Jay, you had j Gruden, you 103 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: had Seamanvey, who was you know, Jay Ruins, the head coach. 104 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: Samany was the office of coordinator. So right when they 105 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: realized I was a free agent, day like we gotta 106 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: figure out the way to get this little bit her tape, 107 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: like whatever we gotta do. We've been seeing him torts 108 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: us for years, you know, just playing Washington and you 109 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: know for doing all that. So our relationship really started early. Man, 110 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: Like going back to I played three years in Washington, 111 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: Like I think out of the three years I played there, 112 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: two years, I want to a thousand yards, had like 113 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: nine touchdowns, like sixty, like we was bowling, you know, 114 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 1: so flips. I had to come back now and seeing 115 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: his progress, Like the dude is a genius. Bro. I 116 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: really look at him, like on the Bill Belichick, Andy Red, 117 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean Belichick, Andy Reid, like he has the smarts 118 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: and the way he puts his players in positions to 119 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: always beat the defense. Bro. It's like he would go 120 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: for what he do. How was it growing up in 121 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: the Crishaw neighbor l a man you know, you know, 122 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: arrest of Peaceni neighborhood, nip man up. You know, for me, 123 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: I think to get kind of instilled, you know, that 124 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: that greatness, that like that competitive nature, you know what 125 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like we really didn't have no hope. We 126 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: ain't really you know, we had dreams and desires, but 127 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: we didn't really it was only certain few influences we 128 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: really had to look up to you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 129 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: on some positive like you know, you you're going to 130 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: the store. You know, it's dudes at the corner store 131 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: hanging out, game bang and selling drugs. You get what 132 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So on a daily basis, you know, I 133 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: was lucky and fortunate to have it pops around me 134 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: that like seen you know that side of and he's like, no, 135 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take youlo. We're going to football, basketball, track, 136 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: like everything, every sport because he knew if I was 137 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: sitting at the crib or at home, what I would 138 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: be getting into, you know. So for me, I think 139 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: it just installed me to just go out there and 140 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: want to be different. Like it was something about looking 141 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: at the ogs looking up to him, like, man, I 142 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: want to do that, but it's like I really wanted 143 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: to do it the positive way where I could go 144 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: be on television where I can all my dudes back 145 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: in the hood see me Sean Jackson on national television. 146 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm rapping from my city and where my hood is, 147 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: you know. So for me, that's what made me inspired 148 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: and I really wanted to go out there and do 149 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: good from out my city. So you can say that 150 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: the love for sports came from Uh, your parents are 151 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: from are from you. You attended beach party to party, 152 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: take high school, played baseball, ran track. The love of 153 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: sports come from It wasn't still from your pops. Are 154 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: just something you picked up? Um, I mean, I think 155 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: it comes hand to hand. You know, my my pops 156 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: grew up Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and when he grew up, he 157 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: wasn't really able to play sports. You know. His pops 158 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: was worked in the steal mill. He like, we're working 159 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: around here, like, ain't no sports, You're not doing none 160 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: of that ship. So my pops never really was able 161 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: to live out his dream because he loved sports, you know. 162 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: So he was like, I'm gonna have kids, and I'm 163 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: pushing all my kids to play sports, Like if I 164 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: couldn't make it offen had kids and one of these 165 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: little Niggs making it to the NFL. You know, we 166 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: in reality was my older brother at first, and then 167 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: you know that wasn't really his dream of desire. So 168 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: then you got me, this little kid. I'm like, sh 169 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: I was a majority around my Aposta most out of all, 170 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: you know, our siblings. So for me, I just installed 171 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: like just growing up and just like I said, just 172 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: be in competitive industries playing sideline pop, throw up tackle 173 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: Like I was just wanting a little fastest, hardest dudes, 174 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: and I was the toughest. I was the littlest one, 175 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: but the toughest one. So I was like, man, you 176 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: know and started me at an early age to be great. Bro, 177 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: you was a major league prospect. Of what position in baseball? 178 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Did you play? A lot of people don't know that that. Man. Yeah, 179 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: so that's an interesting story too. So my pops he 180 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: actually loved baseball. So this's the story about the baseball. 181 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: So my pops love baseball, and he like, I'm taking 182 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: you do all these sports, basketball, football, you rent a trade, 183 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: you doing it? You gotta play baseball for me. So 184 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: it's like he almost like forced me to play baseball. 185 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: So I was good at baseball, but I ain't really 186 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: had a love for it like I love playing football, 187 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: love doing everything else. So for me, I was really 188 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: good at baseball, but I just didn't had that love foot. 189 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: But looking back at it now, I'm like, if I 190 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: could do it all love but I probably would have 191 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: did they get three hunder guaranteed? Like man, but you know, 192 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: everything happen for a reason, bro, But ya was actually 193 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: have a baseball. I played center field, second bag, I 194 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: played everything. I used to be like left fielder, right fielder. 195 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: Don't go in the gap, like anything hitting the gap 196 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: and everything down, Like for real, you mentioned Nip earlier. 197 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: What was your relationship with him? Like man, Nip Man. 198 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: So I remember back and probably like two thousand, like 199 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: two thousand one, like I was a freshman of high school, 200 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: and um, you know growing up in the Murder Park. 201 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: You know, Crenshaw Slawson was literally ten fifteen blocks down 202 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: the street, so you know, going up Cranshaw Audubon, like 203 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: I used to know that. We were probably like thirteen 204 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: fourteen years old. But back then it was just a 205 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: pretty boy curly here. I ain't had a long here 206 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: back then, he had to curly here. He was just 207 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: always had the white long t on, you know, back then, 208 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: the pro cluse everybody you feel me. So it's just 209 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: like just knowing that back then he was just like 210 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: the little player, like pretty boy, do you know? And 211 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: then it's like I remember like around high school he 212 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: started rapping, and I'm like, he re wrapping all right, 213 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: try trying to figure out if he's hard enough. So 214 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, back then, really nobody really knew about him. 215 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 1: Then you know he got lost some boys and you 216 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: just start seeing them out on Crenshaw out the back 217 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: of the bends, Trump popping the trunk, giving out CDs. 218 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, man, this isn't really taking this ship serious. 219 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: So for me, I saw his his work. I saw 220 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: what he put into it, and to look up to 221 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, what he did inspired everybody and just how 222 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: he tried to you know, provide jobs and just you know, 223 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: changing the community. Man like me and Nip go back, bro. 224 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: But you know, he definitely inspired for the Crenshaw community. 225 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Rest in peace, Rest in peace. UM high school football 226 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: sixty catches, over a thousand yards, fifteen touchdowns. What was 227 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: it like out there playing in high school men, like 228 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: on Friday night? Yeah? First of all, ship, I mean 229 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: high school like Long Beage probably went to the number 230 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: one high school and all of America, like literally probably 231 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: put the most people in the NFL. So growing up, 232 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: ol ways, see I'm not from Longbies. Everybody thinking I'm 233 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: from Long Bees, but I'm not from Long Me so 234 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: I grew what, like you said, Crisshaw South Central and 235 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: as a as a grade, I'm trying to figure out, like, man, 236 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: what high school gonna go to? Now? My pops he 237 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: was like the biggest scout of America, Like he already 238 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: had deals and broke it in with this high school coach. 239 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: He's gonna vantage, he's going to crush. Are you going 240 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: to doors? You know he's going to wear Chester. So 241 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: I was sitting back like trying to really figure out 242 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: what high school and go to. And then my older 243 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: brother was like, if you really want to go to 244 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: the best high school, and you know for a fact 245 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna have scholars They're gonna have scholars they're gonna 246 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: have coaches coming in like the best of the best. 247 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: You know, we're going to Long Beach party. So I'm 248 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: like thinking about I'm like, all right, ship, let's go. 249 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: But when I went, literally we had uh Herschel, Dennis Darnell, 250 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: being Mercedes Lewis manyor right, like it was literally like 251 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: seven dudes. It was going Division one. I all had 252 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: top scholarships from s c U C l A. So 253 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: I was a freshman going into that, so I'm like, 254 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: sh all I gotta do is even if I'm a 255 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: halfway decent, I'm gonna go get a Division one scholarship. So, 256 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, coming out there from l A and being 257 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: one of the best to play part Warner and come 258 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: to party like I already had to earn that, you 259 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because it was really dogs like 260 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: long bees probably, like I'm telling you, they're the best 261 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: of the best. So for me to come all the 262 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: way from l A and come to Polly like I 263 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: already came from outside in it was like really insider, 264 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. So it was fun, man, 265 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: it was. It was big games though, like I was 266 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: prepared to play on a big level being in party 267 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: because once I got to college, that ship was like 268 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: it was next next, Yeah, like NFL was next. Like 269 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: I'm killing that ship just because the mentality and being 270 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: around people that was like really good. I mean, you 271 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: talked to your high school creer off with the m 272 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: v P of the All American Game. Uh, who was 273 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: recruiting you? And why did you end up going the 274 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: cow Man? I had ship. I had all the schools 275 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: Florida States, the Miamis the Oklahoma's the L. S Shoes 276 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: Like I had partly of a hundred plus offers and uh, 277 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: you know I was close to going to L. S. Shoe. 278 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: That was Nick Saban was there. Man. It was son 279 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: about that that culture out there, man, that food and women. 280 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, man, the South got me Louisiana half 281 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: I took. I took I think folk trips, like I 282 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: went to Oklahoma, went to L. S U. And then 283 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: was like I said, when I went to L. S 284 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: U was just something about like just how they treated me, 285 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: the food, and I'm like, man, it's something about that South, 286 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, Like I'm like I almost had it. But 287 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: then Nick Saban ended up leaving that he went to 288 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. So when he left, I'm like, man, 289 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: that's out. And then um I had s C. I committed. 290 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: I was a year sc one. They uh shoot who 291 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: they had Reggie Bush, Lynn del White that they just 292 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: had won UM the National Championship and I remember they 293 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: called me out of the game, had Peek Hero on there. 294 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: It was all hype on the bus turned up like 295 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: yeah you coming. I'm like, yeah, I'm coming. I'm committing. 296 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: So I commit and I just felt like, man, they 297 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: they like giving these dudes from out of state like 298 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: extra Like I wanted number one and they didn't give 299 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: me number one. So I'm like they started like showing 300 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: dudes out of stay more love than they showing interstate 301 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: because they was like, oh, Poli, dudes used to go 302 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: into SC We're gonna tell you for granted, like he'd 303 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: coming here. So I'm like, you know what, I'm shaking 304 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: in the year before that cow just beat at See 305 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: when you had they have mare Shawn lynch Uh Aaron 306 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: Rodgers they beat him in the in the college seam upset. 307 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, instead of joining the best, 308 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go somewhere and beat the best. And that 309 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: was just the mentality I had, Like I didn't want 310 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: to just be labeled as somebody that just went there 311 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: just because they thought they had me in their back seat. 312 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: So that was my decision. What was your record against 313 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: SC man, don't do that. I was three, But how 314 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: did you do every time we played them? They had 315 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: like three dudes. I mean, there's like, we're not letting 316 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: this a little dude kill us. But now I had 317 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: some good games versus Obviously, I was a vocal point 318 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: when I played against him, and they definitely was like, yeah, 319 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: we ain't gonna let him go. So I did cool though, 320 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: but it was on three hurt. Did Aaron Rodgers kind 321 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: of was recruiting you two or kind of the guy 322 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: that showed you a little bit? He did? Man, and 323 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: like so, So Aaron Rodgers was a junior when I 324 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: was a fresh or no he was. He was a 325 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: junior when I was a senior high school. So when 326 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm committing there, you know, my ship. Aaron Rodgers one 327 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in college football, I'm like, I'm 328 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: going there. So the minute I commit, he entered the 329 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: NFL and the league, so he left his junior year. 330 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: So I came in and he wasn't even near in them. 331 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: But you know, we had like I said, we had 332 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynz just before I said, we had some. We 333 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: had some good some good dudes. Can you imagine though, 334 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: you and we didn't weren't win that because that that year. 335 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: That next year was actually like it was number two 336 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: in the nation and we end up losing the freaking 337 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: like Oregon State or crazy Fluke ship. But man, ye'all 338 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: think about that, I'm like, damn, just imagine if we 339 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: were if he had to stay and we were to 340 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: play like a full year together. He was number two 341 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: account Yeah, yeah, we was a highest rank was number two. 342 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: We started like five and oh we was on a 343 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: college game that we played Oregon. At Oregon, I went crazy, 344 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: had like three touches down. I was like a hundred 345 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: and eight yards like, I went crazy. So I remember 346 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: that game. I came up, you know they do the 347 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: uh the broadcasting after the game and bring me. I 348 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: had a big gass suit on. That was back in 349 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: the day when you know we were Harvey. Yeah, we 350 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: went our was big shout. I went there talking and 351 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: ship and but it was like and we went on 352 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: the downhire After that we lost like the next like 353 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: folk games bro. We was never two of the day 354 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: at one point down here. Um, if I'm not mistaken, 355 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: that was during the We Believe time too, right. It 356 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: was out there while we was rocking right over the way. Yeah, 357 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: because I remember I checked when you guys games at 358 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: one time. Yeah, that was that was a big game. 359 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: Were you guys able to get out to any of 360 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: those games? Are you watch them on TV? Or what? 361 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: Was it like during your college experience out there? No, 362 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely big for us looking up 363 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: to to y'all, man, what y'all used to do back 364 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: back and go to state. Like, man, that y'all was 365 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: really like a culture man, like you know, b d 366 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: obviously respect, you know, shout out big bro, b d 367 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: um bro was there. I mean, you know y'all, y'all 368 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: had a wave out there, man, and for us like 369 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: y'all the culture bro. You know, I'm not even gonna 370 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: sit here and act like it ain't big like what 371 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: y'all did and how y'all carried your game and just 372 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: like what y'all meant for the for the culture bro, 373 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: like we we all looked up to that. You know 374 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: me like growing up, I'm a smaller dude. So the 375 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: guys that I really looked up to is the Michael 376 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: Vicks to Alan Irasons. You know, the Kobe is the 377 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: dude with your child are respected and respected you vice versus. 378 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: So that mentality, man, Like, it's much respect to what 379 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: you're doing and continuously still doing, how you're tapped in 380 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: with the youth and you know, your your boys, your twins. 381 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: You know, I respect everything you know, with them. But 382 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: I'd love to see it, bro because it give me 383 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: something to look up to when I'm done playing ball, 384 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, appreciate what was your relationships like with Marshawn 385 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: Marren Shaw. So, so it's an interesting story about Marren Shawn. 386 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: So obviously Marshawn Oakland Tech Oakland, California to the full, 387 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, northfo Olkland family. First, you don't shot my brother. 388 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: But uh so coming from l A, you know, l 389 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: A is a little as I ain't gonna say that little. 390 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: It's a lot different than the Bay Area. So you know, 391 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: me growing up, you got games, you got blood, you 392 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: got cribs. You know, you've got different sets. So for 393 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: me growing up in the in the l A culture, 394 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: going to cow, at first, I didn't understand what was 395 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: going on because you gotta due saying blood and cousin 396 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: one sittence. It's like they know they're basically saying your 397 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: blood and they don't even care. They just talking. So 398 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: it's like they culture out there is just total different. 399 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: It's like and they're not even in tune, like they're 400 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: literally you don't even think they from California bro out 401 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: there because they're not even in tune with the l 402 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: a culture. Bro. They got their own culture. So for me, 403 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, marn Shawn was just himself, bro like he 404 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: didn't really care, like he was straight, but he was smart, 405 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: like he was intelligent. You know, he did good in school, 406 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: like a lot of people don't know how good he 407 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: did in school, like he them there was graduated before 408 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: he left Calf, You get what I'm saying. So the 409 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: respect level me and him. I remember I was a 410 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: freshman and he was a sophomore and I came and 411 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: I was one of the fastest on the team and 412 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: He's looking at me like who this little niked thing? 413 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: He's that nigga line up, Nia, let's race like this 414 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: big he bought two twit six ft looking at me 415 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: like really like that's race. So I'm like, you sure 416 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: you in the race? You know I'm cocky. I'm like, 417 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: you sure you're in the race? Like you lined up? 418 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: We got out the every race. I beat him, but 419 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: he put up a fight though he wasn't slow. Watched 420 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: out all that stuff, and I'm like it just gave 421 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: me a respect for bread different because he knew he 422 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: was he knew I was fashioning but he was like anyway, bro, 423 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: So it's like much respect of money man. So decorated 424 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: college career, Uh, one of the top receivers in the country. 425 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: You make your jump to the league second round pick. 426 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: Did you have a chip on your shoulder for sure? 427 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: And the reason why I say I had a chip, 428 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: it's like all right for me college, right, Like every 429 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: every step of the way from high school college like 430 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: I've always been the best, always been you know, stats, 431 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: they're proven. Everything was proven for me. So so coming 432 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: out my junior year, I actually put in a little 433 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: note and they was like it came back and it 434 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: was like guaranteed. They didn't say guarantee, but they give 435 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: you a projection. So they said anywhere from first round 436 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: to like the end of the first round, so like 437 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: the first pick to So I'm like, ship, all right, 438 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm going. I ain't no point of going coming back 439 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: to college for my my senior year when they're already 440 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: solidified that. So I'm like, I'm gone. So I entered 441 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I remember back then my coach 442 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: it was Jeff Teffer. At the time, I had like 443 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: a little personal relationship with you know him, him and 444 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: my dad like had like a little beef and my 445 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: apostles becussing all after the game, like if my son 446 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: don't get tent catches two on the yard and I'm 447 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: cussing you out after the game. So post was turned 448 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: up after every game. You know, Paul Draget turned up 449 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: he I ain't had a game. He wanted me to 450 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: have coach hearing about it. So I feel like that 451 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: kind of hurt me going into the to the league 452 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: because you know, Jeff Teffer was kind of asked about 453 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: certain situations and was like, yeah, I think his dad 454 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: could be a problem with Woo And it just was 455 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: like they kind of hurt my draft, as you know, 456 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: and I took a personal because all the teams have 457 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: passed on me that first year when I was in Philadelphia, 458 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: every team to pass on me. I made him play 459 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: my first year. We we went to the NFC Conference 460 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: championship game where I thought I'll scored to win a 461 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: touchdown and we're going to the to the Super Bowl, 462 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: but Larry Fitzgill came down this crazier. That was the year. 463 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 1: Uh the Steelers played um Arizona in the in the 464 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But yeah, that was my rookie year, bro, 465 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: and it was lit, man, it was lit. What's it 466 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: like stepping on that stage? I mean you all about 467 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: five nine? Ja, yeah, give me my five tim by 468 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: telling you right now, I'm like, but when I first 469 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: came in, I was one sixty nine. They gave me 470 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: it was like five nine whatever, like seven corp whatever 471 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: it was. I geet like the average height of an 472 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: average man. And to think that Jack Jack made a 473 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: joke like you played you gotta when you say NBA 474 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: years in the NFL for your size though, like no one. 475 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really really hass off to you, bro. 476 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we're homies. And when I think people 477 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: kind of take that ship for grandaboall for for you 478 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: to accompany and you're not done, but for you to 479 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: making fourteen years in the league at your size, that 480 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: that says a lot about you, man, a lot about you. 481 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: Definitely done. I appreciate that, but you know, I just 482 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: take it back to my mentality just growing up, how 483 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: I grew up having the pops around me. You know, 484 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: they really just didn't really care about anything, like if 485 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: I if I wanted to envision myself or I wanted 486 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: to do something I'm gonna do it. And that's just 487 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: been my mentality the whole time. And always I ain't 488 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: the biggest, but every time I step on the field, 489 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the biggest. You know what I'm saying, 490 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm lying hearted And it's like 491 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't care how big you is. I don't care. 492 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: My pop said, never fair man regards how big how 493 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: small he put his pants on, just like you, you 494 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So for me, that's just always 495 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: been my mentality, bro. But uh, I definitely speaks to numbers. 496 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: And like you said, I'm still not done, still playing 497 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: at the high level, and uh you know, I take 498 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: PROBLEMSIP every every time I wake up, every time I 499 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: step on the field. But I want to be the 500 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: best doing it, you know what I mean. I am 501 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: who I am for a reason because that's that mentality. 502 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: You know. It's just like that that mama mentality. You 503 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: know the facts y'all played against the y'all know what? 504 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: Uh what it being stamped by Jerry Rice when he 505 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: said he had this kid has all the talent in 506 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: the world. What does that mean for you to to 507 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: be the greatest re siver? Of all time to stamp 508 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: you like that. Yeah, that was a special moment because 509 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: I was. I was before I even played the NFL game. 510 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: Like I was. I had an opportunity because at that 511 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: time my agency that I was signed with he was 512 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: signed to him as well too, so um I had 513 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: a chance to work out with him out and we 514 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: ran routes. He was like, I want you to run 515 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: every route. I ran ligurly every route from route one 516 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: to the go route, and he was like, I only 517 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: got one route. I want to work with you him. 518 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, I just ran like routes and you're telling 519 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: me just one route. So I'm trying to interested to 520 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: what he's gonna say. He was like, you're just running 521 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: too fast on my speed out. I want you to 522 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: slow it down and get under control, and you master 523 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: that ain't nobody's gonna be at the message. So from 524 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: day one, I'm like, I'm thinking he finna critique me. 525 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm thinking he was the speed I was like a 526 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: quick out, fire yard out. But he was saying, I'm 527 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: so fast. I need to run that in under control 528 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: and still be fast but not unting too fast round 529 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: like out of control. Renting a route so that route 530 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: is like one of the easiest routes. So that was 531 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: the only route he critiqued me on something like I 532 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: could be special, bro, And I knew that from the 533 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: day when I'm like, I'll do my ship and stay 534 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: on it and work. Yeah, it's it's gonna be a 535 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: good rod. What's the fastest time you ever ran in 536 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: the period for the fastest time, I uh, I ran 537 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: before it was I was in I was in college. 538 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: I want to say, like my junior I ran four 539 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: to four. That's that. Don speed talk about your rookie, 540 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: your rookie experience. When I came in, I just had 541 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: the mentality like I didn't really care who the starting 542 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: re series was, like I'm coming in. I'm taking somebody's spot. 543 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: Like that's my me coming in. I don't Sometimes these 544 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: young dudes they come in, they be asking questions. I'm like, bro, 545 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: you can't make the game bigger than it is. We've 546 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: been playing this since a little kid in the park. 547 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: Just how I'm sure it is for basketball, Like, once 548 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: you got to the NBA, you can't be like, oh 549 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: my god, the lights and all these fans screamed, no, 550 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: we gotta tune in and play ball. So me I 551 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: had the mentality was the game ain't gonna be bigger 552 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: than it is. It's still football. And I think these 553 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: young dudes come in, they'd be like a deer in 554 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: the head, like because they don't understand, like, it's still football. 555 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: It's still bad. It's a sport. It's a game that 556 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: we love growing up. But don't make it bigger. If 557 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: you make it bigger it is, then you're gonna always 558 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: be behind the eight ball trying to figure out them. 559 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: How can I make the game not as big as 560 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: it is? Like, No, I'm the game, I'm the moment 561 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: is big. And that's my philosophy on that ship, bro, 562 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: it's it's not it's a game, bro. We have fun 563 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: with the ship and play at the high level. Sure, 564 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: who are your vests that you leaned on the rookie year? 565 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: As soon as you got to leave A good question, man. 566 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: So when I came in, I had some real old 567 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: g s man special I'm gonna give you the names first, 568 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give you a special story about a 569 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: situation of my rookie year. But so I came in, 570 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: I had Diminly that was my quarterback Brian Westbrook the 571 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: running back. UM sante Samuel Uh. Brian Dawkins said about 572 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: to say with Brian Dawkins. Brian Dawkins, UM a few 573 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: a few dudes, but um the special story. So I 574 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: was I was in like my seventh eighth game and 575 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: we was playing in Chicago this one lads Briggs Uh, 576 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: Brian Urlacker like dogs like you know, Brian, like your 577 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: legitimate could be one of the best, you know played 578 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: the game. So We're playing verse these dudes, and I'm 579 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: like this one of them games where I'm like, then 580 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm really playing versus some dudes that them They're killed 581 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: me if I right across the middle right, so I 582 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: score touchdown. I'm balling in the game. So it becomes 583 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: a point where they punted the ball and I'm back 584 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: putting the ball and I had like clown and had 585 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: the ball in one hand. I fumbled, but we ended 586 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: up getting the ball back. Well, Al must have came 587 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: to Silline brown Dog and must to grab me up. 588 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: Snatched me up because you know, he didn't really cuss. 589 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: It was all about God and like, but he came 590 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: at you on a crazy way. You know what I mean. 591 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: If you do that again. I'm like talking to me 592 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: like my daddy. Shoot, I'm like, man, I ain't messing 593 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: with that, dude, But you got only But it was 594 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: just the respect, bro, like you got real O. G's 595 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: when you're messing up and you're doing wrong, they're gonna 596 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: create that, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, that's 597 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: what it started in greatness in me. You know he 598 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: guys like him can do that though, because you know 599 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: he about to die to win the game. He he 600 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: putting his body everything, doing everything, literally legitimately popping his 601 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: neck out of soccer shoulder. I didn't seen him like 602 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: Craig like he was. He really was Weapon X on 603 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: the field. He wasn't Brian Dawkins like he turned in 604 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: the Weapon X on the field like he had a 605 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: Brian Dawkins locker room and he had a Weapon X 606 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: locker room and the Weapon X locker room and all 607 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: the X Men and all these characters in there. And 608 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: when he went on the field, he was he really 609 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: had a locker, bro. He had two lockers, bro, Like 610 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, bro, dude was he was in a 611 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: special Dude the best. Yeah, what was your welcome to 612 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: the NFL moment, that one moment that he was like, damn, 613 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm really here. Off the block, I'm here. 614 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: I think I think London Fletcher man, so we just playing. 615 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: I think it was early early in the season, rookie year. 616 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: I think probably, I want to say the second and 617 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: third game. London Fletcher was a linebacker for the back 618 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: Then theres a Redskins Washington Redskins, and uh, I had 619 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: caught like a little fire yard, quick little route and 620 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: I was right over there like the middle of the 621 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: feel like guys, my side wound like to go that here. 622 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: So it was like a little fire yard pass diamond 623 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: like hit me. I caught the ball and all I 624 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: remember was like walking to Silin and everything was just 625 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: like spinning. I'm like I was out for the rest 626 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: of the game. I ain't go back in the game, 627 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: end up having like a concussion. But I'm like, buddy 628 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: smacking you like he had me, Like I didn't know 629 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: where I was at. I ain't gonna lie, but yeah, 630 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: that was that was one of the moments in London. 631 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: He's a big, big dude, bro, and he was he 632 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: was small, but he was like a stock big dude. Linebacker. 633 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: That's like he like bla all muscle all I've seen 634 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: you know how that little video you got the Birds tweet, Like, 635 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: where am I talk about the game against my corboy? Yeah, no, 636 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: I don't do that while you're gonna do that. Man, 637 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: the first touchdown you're talking about that dropped the ball 638 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: too early, feeling yourself. Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm gonna 639 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: let you had that one, but I'm gonna come back. 640 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak on that momentary and I'm gonna come 641 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: back and hurt your heart with something too. But I remember, 642 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: I know what you know I was. I was young, 643 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: and I was a rookie year. Just just at that 644 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: moment of time, I'm gonna get out of philosophy. So 645 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: for me, growing up playing sports, you're not really able 646 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: to allow the clown and dance and do all this crazies. 647 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: So once you get to the NFL that allow you to, 648 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, having fun and do some crazy shit. So 649 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: for me, I can remember that night before the game, 650 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: like if I scool, I'm just going crazy, like I 651 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: don't care about nothing. I'm getting the ends on them dancing. 652 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing every dance I'm trying to just go crazy 653 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: and have fun Monday night football or Sunday whatever it was. 654 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: We was the primetime game. So once I caught the ball, 655 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm them there close to ENDZ and I'm like, I 656 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: don't even care about this ball. The morning, I'm gonna 657 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: get his ends on the dance bro. So that was 658 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: just on my mind. So obviously dropped the ball a 659 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: little short. But uh, yeah, that's something that happened. Ain't 660 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: happening again since the and then I did it in 661 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: high school too, But you know the one the high 662 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: school I was trying to beat the record. Uh, Reggie 663 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: Bush jumped from like the fire yard line in the 664 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: game Versu. You see it first the Bruins and he 665 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: flipped an ends on. So I'm in the All Star Game. 666 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, he dimmed from the fire Let 667 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: me try to jump from the six. So I tried 668 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: to drop six. When I got in the air and 669 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shut off for the bus glass and 670 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: I just dropped the ball because I was bracing the 671 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: impact of how far I tried to jump like a bonehead. 672 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know that happened. I learned, but it 673 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen Yeah, let's talk about that ninety one. 674 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: Your touchdown on the side of ends on the cowboy 675 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: he turned around on it. Yeah, I remember that that 676 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: was that was hurt for the punt return, right. I 677 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: got some players versus Cowboys. I literally back in my 678 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: early days when I was in Philadelphia, Man, I looked 679 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: at myself as a Giant killer, a Cowboy killer. I 680 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: killed the Redskins too, But it was just like it 681 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: was some personal because I know that the rivals, like 682 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: being an Eagle, the rider was with the Cowboys, the 683 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Giant like it's it's it's real, bro. And I had 684 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: a lot of good years man on them. You got 685 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: to taste the playoffs and oh eight, what was your 686 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: first playoff experience? Like, Man, the game moved way faster. Man. 687 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: It was like things was moved like, you know, being 688 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: a rookie adjusting to to my rookie season. I'm like, 689 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's fast, But the playoffs, Bro, it moved 690 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: like and I'm talking about the first playoff game, like 691 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: the wild card game. Bro. It was like you would 692 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: just think everybody just turned up like twenty notches more 693 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know why. I guess everybody's 694 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: trying to win the Super Bowl. But it was just 695 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: like the game was just moving faster, bro And for me, 696 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: I just feel like we went on like every game 697 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: was away, like we were. First game we played it 698 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: was in in Minnesota. Then we played uh damn it. 699 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember. We played one more and then we 700 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: went to Arizona. But yeah, every game was on the road, 701 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: and it was just like for us to not have 702 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: that home field advantage, like, you know, playing on the road, 703 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: it's it's tough, but that's that's what Bill's character, you know, 704 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: like what you wanna do when everything is against you, 705 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: all adversity or against you. So for me, I just 706 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: love silence in the crowd. But it's nothing like you're 707 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: going to somebody else's house and standing on the couch 708 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: and doing whatever the hell you want, walking out and 709 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: saying we want like with better feelings that working with 710 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: Donovan from that, what was that like? Man? Donovan? Man? 711 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,479 Speaker 1: You know, Donovan was interesting, dude, man, Like you know, 712 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: you hear nothing cut you off. You hear a bunch 713 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: of about him, and to this day don't get along. 714 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: So I always wonder what he was like. They want 715 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: to scrap. It's real. They they had a real personal situation, 716 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: and I could kind of understand it, you know, with 717 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: with the sense of I I never really try to 718 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: talk about people to put people down. But it's just 719 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: like he he was more like on on some selfish 720 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: like he was about his self type ship, you know, 721 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: like you could tell, like with certain quarterbacks, when you're 722 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: the quarterback and you you the vocal point, like sometimes 723 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: you might have to just take it on your shoulder, 724 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: like my bad I missed that through or my bad 725 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: just as a captain of the buildment for the team, 726 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. It was just like certain 727 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: times he didn't really want to take that up on him, 728 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: you know. And not to say he wasn't a good 729 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: player a good person, but it's just like certain times 730 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: you could tell it was a little more a little 731 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: more selfish, you know, And it was just like as 732 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: a young dude, you really you're not looking for your 733 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: quarterback to be that. You're looking for your quarterback to 734 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: embrace you and and really uplift you, you you know. So 735 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: I could kind of see while him and Teo is 736 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: how they are, you know, Andy Reid, what you learn 737 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: from him man, father figure man, and Andy Reid for 738 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: me was like really like a second father man. And 739 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: you know a special story about that was like I said, 740 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: when I first got drafted, you know, uh, Jeff Teffer 741 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: told told Andy Reid, you know some some hurtful things 742 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: for me because you know, for me, I I know 743 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: how my dad was, you know, heavily involved and you 744 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: know how he used to go off on my coaches, 745 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: but I knew it was always coming from a good 746 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: place in the heart because at the end of the day, 747 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: that's his son. He wanted his son to be the best, 748 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: and you know, he wanted to do the best. So 749 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, for me to hear what Jeff Teffer told 750 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: my dad, you know on draft day, because right when 751 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: they drafted me, he got on the phone and was like, basically, 752 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: we don't want your that to be no issue we 753 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: heard about like he was basically all the ship that 754 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: he heard that my apostles doing the college. So for 755 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: me him and then Andy Reid is from Los Angeles too, 756 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: so he grew up in Los Angeles, so he knows 757 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: the young kid coming from l A. He knows the 758 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: temptation and how it is growing up. But he just 759 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: respected me like he was like, you know, I know 760 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: how it is for you know, I know what your 761 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: dad meant for you. But he was just like, you know, 762 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: he was there for me, and he was. He was 763 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: one of the coaches where he didn't really care if 764 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: he was being too hard like you know, you you 765 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: had them coaches read like, he hard on me, but 766 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: it's only for the best, it's only for the betterment 767 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: and me in my career, in my life, so you 768 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: can respect that a little more, you know. And he 769 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: was he was really like, you know, a father figure 770 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: in my life. It's a big difference between being on 771 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: you and critiquing you and actually knowing that they care 772 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: about you. Yeah, I know I've been to that situation 773 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: to playing where coaches being a dick and mad at 774 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: me because you know, his wife being friendly to me 775 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: or something like that. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, 776 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying I was. It was 777 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: a situation for really, I ain't gonna say nobody's names, 778 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: but I was. I was young at the time. You know, 779 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: you can't help. But she said she knew I was young, 780 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: and she was like a mother, like because my mother 781 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: wasn't around. I was there young and you know what 782 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: I mean, And he basically used that against me after 783 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: I made the Rookie All Star Game and didn't play me. 784 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: The whole second happen before, after you kissed her in 785 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: the mouth. Neither. You gotta be preparing for Matt's question 786 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: about two thousand nine. Uh, your father passes, Um, what 787 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: is it like? I had a situation from Golden State, 788 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: and that's when me and Jack became really close to 789 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, my mom died on cancer 790 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: and died within twenty six days trying to play through 791 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: the season. The whole ship was sucked up. What was 792 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: it like for you being that your father was so 793 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: integral in your development and becoming a man, and pretty 794 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: much right when you get to the league you lose him. Yeah, man, 795 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: I mean for me that that was a tough I 796 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: was a tough part of my life. I was. I 797 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: was twenty years old. Like you said, everything my dad 798 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: meant to me for me did for me. You know, 799 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: the relationships, the bonds we built together. You know, it 800 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: was one of the things. I'm like, that's my first 801 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: year in my NFL career, Like everything we planned everything 802 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: we dreamed about, envisioned, like all the ship we talked 803 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: about was gonna be doing, Like my dad was one 804 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: of them. Was like he had all these these Moneys 805 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: millions and all these women. I'm about without cars like traveling, 806 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: like what nothing you can't do. So for me, it 807 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: was just everything he envisioned to see how Possible went 808 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: out like that man, Like, uh, it was hurtful man though, 809 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: So it was. It was actually, I want to say, 810 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: like October and November, so during the season, it's early 811 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: before the playoffs, so he just you know, Pops like, shot, 812 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: you gotta manage. I'm coming out to the manage. I'm 813 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: staying with you. I'm chilling like you know, I'm driving 814 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: your cards like Possible. Really like he was like my brother, 815 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: you know, like we had a great relationship. So during 816 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: the season. I remember he came out there and stayed 817 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: with me during the season, and uh, he kind of 818 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: like just got sick out of nowhere, like he had diabetes. 819 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: So like he's always kind of like naming on the diabetes, 820 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: like I just checking when I go back home, like 821 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm straight. And it kind of like became normal where 822 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: he was like sleeping all day, wasn't really eating and 823 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: it was like this was like right around when he 824 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: was about to make the playoffs. And then I remember 825 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: my older brother, I think my sision came came to 826 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: fitting flew him back to l A and then um, 827 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, he went to the doctor and they basically 828 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: diagnosed him a pincer at the cancer. When they diagnosed 829 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: him what it was staged four. You know, it was 830 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: like two late. They was like basically getting like four 831 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: or five months to live. And uh, this was at 832 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 1: the period of time where I was in the playoffs. 833 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm playing games like I'm at the highest 834 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: of my highest rookie season, balling like killing like you know, 835 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: the top of the world like and came nothing else 836 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: going wrong, and you know, at the same time, you know, 837 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: for me to be losing my pops in the hospital 838 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: on him struggling, I remember him watching the games and 839 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: ship like my brother, they're filming him, I'm on TV 840 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: and he just just everything, you know, they're just kind 841 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: of meant to me. Bro. So it was tough man 842 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: that it was, you know, still to this day, Yeah, 843 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: rest in peace to pass. And people don't understand because 844 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: they think because we're athletes to run in different stage 845 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: that we're not affected by anything, and it is the 846 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: furthest from the truth, you know. I mean to try 847 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: to play with that kind of heavy heart or with 848 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, the second you're not in action, your your 849 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: mind is there instantly, you know what I mean. So 850 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: it's rest in peace to posts for sure. Man. You 851 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: know he's looking down and proud of you. We as athletes. 852 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: People think expect us to be so strong and be 853 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 1: able to take all types of stuff. But my father 854 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: was I didn't have a relationship growing up with my 855 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: father like you, but I it grew as I got older, 856 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: became successful. My father is dead as well. I missed 857 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: my father, so I can imagine for sure, you know 858 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, being able to be raised by him, 859 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: taught by him right or wrong, and all that, to 860 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: get to where you want to be because of him, 861 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: and not be able to enjoy fully with him. I 862 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: can imagine that, bro, because I didn't grow up. But 863 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: just the fact that I made it and I was 864 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: able to share a little bit of success when my 865 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 1: father kills me. Now the man I am to date 866 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: that I can't share that with him. You know what 867 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, I think that's the most hurtful, Like 868 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: you said, just the moments and you just know that 869 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: what we're doing it for, like our while. You know, 870 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: you always talk about the wire, like what's your wire? 871 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: What are you doing for? Is this your mother? Your kids, 872 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: when your homeboys, you grew up with your granny. You know, 873 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: it's like everybody got that wire. So within that wire, 874 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: it's like, that's what I'm doing for. And for me, 875 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: that was what I was doing for. You know, it 876 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: wasn't like he was the only reason, but you know, 877 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: he installed who I am today. Like without him, I 878 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't be sitting right here hot on that show, just 879 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: not saying my mom and other people don't play their parts. 880 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: But you know he takes it. He take a lot 881 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: of Summer December nineteen ten, the only game winning punt 882 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: return in NFL history. Talk to us about that playing 883 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: what's going on the game, blouses. It's just I'm gonna 884 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: just say that. I know I got a lot of 885 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: people to hate me for for that play, man, And uh, 886 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, for me, man, I was just doing what 887 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: I was supposed to do. Man, I was doing my 888 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: job as anybody else would say, ship, I had an 889 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to send the New York Giants home. They punted 890 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: to me, which I don't know why the hell they 891 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: would do that anyway, but uh, I mean, yeah, I 892 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: know that kicked it or that punty that punted to me. 893 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: Right to that game he got fired. Uh what was 894 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: the name coughing whatever? His first they were conflin was 895 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: create throwing his them. He had Tim Carughing throwing his 896 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: uh clipboard down, and but I don't know, man, that 897 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: play was huge. Man, I don't think I didn't think 898 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: he was gonna pick the ball because she was looking 899 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: up like I guess she was looking at how everybody. 900 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't think he was gonna pick the ball up 901 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: because you let it roll for a minute. I listened, bro, 902 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: when I when I tell you, I didn't think they 903 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: was kicking it and bouncing me. So of course when 904 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: they kicked it, and I'm thinking he going to kick 905 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: it out the stadium, there ain't no way it's standing 906 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: between these white lines. So once I realized it was 907 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: coming to me, like you said I was, I wasn't spooked, 908 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: but I was more surprised, like, damn, this ball already 909 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: coming to me. So in the midst of me dropping 910 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: the ball, I'm trying to already set up what I'm 911 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: doing before I even got this ball. Yeah, as you see, 912 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: I dropped the ball in like a couple of yards 913 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: to the ride of me. Now I'm looking up and 914 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, I already knew where the ball has picked 915 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: it up, and I kind of already had an invision 916 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: what I'm doing hitting and sticking my foot in the 917 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: ground going up. Jason Leavant made a killer block, declared 918 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: the dude he out knocked out. I'm running an end 919 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: zone like man, I was really, honestly, Bro, I feel 920 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: like I was on wings, like like party picked me 921 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: up and just flew me into the end zone. That's how. 922 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: But the way the way he looked though when the 923 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: ball was coming, the way you kept looking up, like 924 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: he was looking at his path like you do. Just 925 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: put to run their motherfucker back. Man, That's one of 926 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: the things when you know, when you know, you know, 927 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, And that's one of them times, bro on 928 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: top of the world. Imagine if he has social media 929 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: back then, what man, I tell these young all the time, Bro, 930 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: they made these crazy play and it's like bro, I 931 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: would have been something. Not to say I ain't big, 932 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: but I would have been away like crazy more. But 933 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: if they had that ship when I was coming out 934 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: of a rookie your college, what like big? Yeah? Man? 935 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: For sure? Though? Is there art in the punt return? 936 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: Like it's a certain mind frame you need to be 937 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: in ship? Is there an artist shooting a three pointer? Repetition? 938 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: So how do you get reps at pump returning? We 939 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: also know we're not gonna get killed from punt return 940 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: that's a great come back? No, man, for me, it ain't. 941 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an art in it, but it ain't 942 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: like you can get better by repetition. Like how you 943 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: said there's a three it's one of the things that 944 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: first of all you knu it's it's like a cat 945 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: because you're looking in there and got to be a cat. Bro. 946 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: Like for me, that's like people ask me like how 947 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: am I so good? And how am I so quick? 948 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: And why do I do what I do on the field. 949 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: It's like I'm not thinking about I don't when I 950 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: go on the field or when I'm lining up to 951 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: be receiving. It's a dude, gardener. I don't have no 952 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: plan in my mind that oh I'm about to do this. 953 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: I react off of everything. So that's why I like, 954 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: if you do something, I'm gonna react off it. So 955 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: if you think you show me down, that's why I'm 956 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: an react off and go the other way bro like anything. 957 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: So it's like me, I al really feel like I 958 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: play like a cat, Like I'm just got count for everything. 959 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like agile and whatever you do, 960 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna react to it, and I'm gonna beat you, 961 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: counterpunching everything you're swinging and I'm ducking. That's just my mentality. 962 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: I'll take the start. Um. Everybody knows, you know, the 963 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons situation with you know, contract negotiations and not 964 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: reporting and this is and that you had a similar 965 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: situation like that in two thousand and eleven. Um, speak 966 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: to that and speak to knowing your worth and believing 967 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: in yourself. More than anything, I think it's important as 968 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: a as an athlete. That's as athletes first, how we 969 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: look at ourselves as a business and how we take 970 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 1: our mindset of everything we do when we put into 971 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: our body. If it's you know, like nutrition, you know, uh, 972 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: studying longer taking care of your body. The stop like 973 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: whatever it is you invest into your body is what 974 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna get out of it. And I think sometimes 975 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 1: us being athletes, people were just assumed we just all 976 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: these and an a list, and these people sit back 977 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: and you know, critique us for who we are, Like 978 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: they don't really understand we have to invest in ourselves 979 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: just as well as like the teams, the gms, the owners, 980 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna do what's best for them as a as 981 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: an owner. When it's time to give a person money 982 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: or to cut the person, they don't think about that. 983 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: But the minute we want to take care of ourselves 984 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: and put ourselves first, we're in trouble or we we 985 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: asked whole or oh he's not a bad team, you 986 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But it's like, we're just doing 987 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: what's best for us. So for me at that point 988 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: in time, I'm like, y'a've been promising me a contract 989 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: and y'all haven't rewarded me with my contract, So why 990 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: am I going to continuually put my body on the 991 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: line risk getting hurt injured. I go to practice and 992 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: I tear anything, and it's like, now my contract is 993 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: I'm not worthy of my contract. So for me, I 994 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: feel like as athletes, when we stand up what was 995 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: right for us, we we looked at as the bad guy. 996 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: We're labeled as a as a cancer. You get what 997 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying. But at the end of the day, you're 998 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: just you're looking off for the best in yourself. Now, 999 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying if you already rewarded with the contract 1000 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: and you post a show, it's different, you know, like 1001 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,839 Speaker 1: certain situations Ben Simmons, certain situations is different. But when 1002 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: you're due for something that you didn't put that working 1003 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: and you have been rewarded for it, you gotta you 1004 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: gotta right to stand up for what you deserve. Fact 1005 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. Uh then the franchise, franchise, tagg and 1006 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: you resigned a five year contract, uh north to fifty 1007 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: million dollars. How did that make you feel? Well? Well, 1008 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: when I got franchise, that was almost like they just 1009 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: did that one kind of year, just get them back 1010 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: in the Yeah, like we we're gonna get you, because 1011 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: I think that that was one year for ten million, 1012 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: which in reality the five years I will still end 1013 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: up getting the timber and something like all right, I'm 1014 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: gonna come in there, but in my mind, I'm I know, like, 1015 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play on this one year, ten million 1016 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: dollar deal because if I get hurt, then it's still 1017 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: like I don't have no solidity. I'm not solidifying in 1018 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: my future for the next three years. It's not guaranteed, 1019 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. So for me, it 1020 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: was just like one of the things where they was like, 1021 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: all right, just sign it and come in and let's 1022 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: try to work out a deal. So basically I kind 1023 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: of knew that, so I signed the franchise and then, 1024 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: like I want to say, like a few weeks later, 1025 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: we end up getting the deal done. So it was 1026 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I pat you on my bag, 1027 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: you pat me on mine, like we're gonna get this deal, 1028 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: and I took the word and it actually worked out. 1029 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: But for me it felt good because I find a 1030 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 1: guy what I was deserving of. And for me at 1031 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: that time, I remember they used to promise me like 1032 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: my second third year, they was promising to day was 1033 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,359 Speaker 1: gonna redo my contract because back then Philly was known 1034 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: for getting their players that early and locking them up, 1035 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: like giving them some money earlier and locking them up 1036 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: for later in their career. So for me, I was like, man, 1037 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: it was rewarding, bro, And it was like, you know 1038 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: all the work I was putting into it. It made 1039 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:49,280 Speaker 1: me feel good two fourteen statistically, Uh, your best season, 1040 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: your third Pro Bowl selection? Uh? And then you released 1041 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: after everything you would have been through with that team. 1042 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: What was that experience? Like, ah, yeah, he coaching the 1043 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: ul A right now. You know what's how about? It was? 1044 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: It was personal, man, for me coming off my best 1045 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: statistic year, I mean with eighty three catches over thirte yards, 1046 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: nine touchdown. Like you you're releasing the dude after him 1047 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 1: being a Pro Bowl receiver, Like what are you doing? 1048 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,760 Speaker 1: Like in my mind, I'm like, what's going on? And 1049 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: what kind of with mind? Bothering to me was the 1050 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: allegations and the stories they dug up and made up 1051 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: that It was like that was the reason why they 1052 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: released me. Oh he's a game and where he hangs 1053 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 1: out with does criminals he's doing you know what I'm saying. 1054 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, I have no felons, I have no 1055 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: no record, I ain't never been the jail. Like you're saying, 1056 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: you're mad at me because I grew up where I 1057 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: grew up and hang out who I hang out with, 1058 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: so it's for me. It was kind of like a 1059 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: staff of my back bro And it was like everything 1060 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: I did for y'all and coming off my best years, 1061 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: like y'all just come like if y'all didn't want to 1062 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 1: pay me, just tell me you don't want to pay, 1063 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: but to try to tarnish my name and who I 1064 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: am like, and then you got other teams looking, damn, 1065 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: do we want to take a risk of him doing 1066 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: like is there something that's gonna come out like he 1067 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: had to come out here going to jail, you know 1068 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was just like it was a 1069 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,359 Speaker 1: situation for me and I took that personal. That's why 1070 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: I did go to to Washington. Every time I played 1071 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: the Eagles, I made him regret that decision. Let's I mean, 1072 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: I want to touch on that a little bit because 1073 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: obviously he is the head coach we're talking about. Chip 1074 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: Kelly is the head coach U c l A. And 1075 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: there was a lot of racial allegations um swarming around 1076 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 1: the way he moved and and perceived m A handful 1077 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: of you guys, some of the better players on the team. Uh, 1078 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, can you speak to that a little bit. 1079 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 1: When he first came in, it was like, you you 1080 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: you you're doing something that professional athletes shouldn't have to, 1081 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, go through. Like when you when you first 1082 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: the head coach you come in, that's like coming in 1083 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: telling your starter, you playing bed stag whoever y'all starting 1084 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: five is. And you got a new head coach to 1085 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: come in and say, from the get go, none of 1086 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 1: y'all starters. Are you telling me pro bowlers or All 1087 00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: Star player, tinton whatever, Michael Vig, Sean Coin me all 1088 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,479 Speaker 1: the start, like no one was the starter. He basically said, 1089 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: everybody gotta earn their spots. We're looking at this dude like, bro, 1090 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 1: you know what he's talked to Like, Bro, we pro bothers. 1091 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: We hey way more than you like you talking about 1092 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: we all basically don't start. So we like from that 1093 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: gig go, it was like and she came in and 1094 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: was trying to do like we really felt like we 1095 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: as college players, like we really felt like he was 1096 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: trying to control us on some college and it was like, Bro, 1097 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: we've been through that phase already. Bro, we professional athletes, 1098 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: and we know what it takes to get it done 1099 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: at the high level. We've been doing this ship, So 1100 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: for me, that ship was kind of personal. Bro, just 1101 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: everything he tried to come doing, you know, like you said, 1102 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: like you letting go of players, this legitimi the best 1103 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: of the best me McCoy, Michael Vicks. Like, Bro, if 1104 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: you would have kept that team and the other Bro, 1105 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: that team could have, especially Bro, we could have legitimately 1106 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: won the Super Bro. And it was like he broke 1107 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,359 Speaker 1: that team up and brought people in that he wanted 1108 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 1: to bring in and probably was going yes man him 1109 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: or listen to every command he wanted, and it was 1110 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: like us, we really we really felt like we didn't 1111 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 1: have to do that because we already gained our respect 1112 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: and we were who we were. Is he well in 1113 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: the Urban was he doing? Was he Urban Meyer before 1114 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,920 Speaker 1: Urban Mind? Were Urbans doing in Jacksonville? Kind of trying 1115 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,280 Speaker 1: to bring that college. It ain't gonna work, Bro, Yeah, 1116 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean that, don't get me wrong, his offensive scheme 1117 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: because we're bought like we had Like I said, I 1118 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: had my best as statistics from the offensive side of it. 1119 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 1: But it's the outside. Yeah, it's like the day to 1120 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: day like he wanted us to put a heart money 1121 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: on going to sleep and see how many others people slept. 1122 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: Professional athlete, Like, we're not college, bro. He asked people 1123 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: to pay in the cup to see how hydrated you is. Like, Bro, 1124 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: if you can't come in and performing the best of 1125 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: your ability and you know you're a professional athlene you 1126 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,439 Speaker 1: getting paid all this money? What are we doing? Yeah, 1127 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like he almost 1128 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: had like people on the least, but it's like, you 1129 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: can't implement that in the professional level. But it's the 1130 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: same thing they're saying about urban mind. That's not gonna work. 1131 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: The same thing. It ain't gonna work, Bros. It's hard 1132 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: to do. You gotta like the Andy Reid's the bill 1133 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: better ships, like the coaches that the mar respect, but 1134 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,839 Speaker 1: give respect and understand you got a player mentality relationship. 1135 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,800 Speaker 1: Like if you can't go howle at your head coach? 1136 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,879 Speaker 1: Like you feel like you can't talk to your head coach. 1137 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: How are you gonna put put yourself on the line 1138 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: when it's in the game and you gotta go on one? 1139 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: How are you gonna put yourself on the line for 1140 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 1: your coach? You feel like you came do the same 1141 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: for you, you know what I'm saying. So that's just 1142 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: the mentality that I feel like it was went wrong 1143 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 1: with him. What was it like working with Michael Vick? 1144 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 1: You got that a special connection man, Michael Vick. I 1145 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: feel like it's one of the best players I didn't 1146 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: ever play with, but we we had. We had the 1147 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 1: most of the most Like if if I look back 1148 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: and you know, do all the statistics, like we me 1149 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: and him had some of the biggest plays, like legitimate, 1150 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,919 Speaker 1: so many players we could pull up and look man, 1151 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,239 Speaker 1: and for me, like growing up, he was an eyder 1152 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,399 Speaker 1: than me, you know, on the first Black quarterbacks taking 1153 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: first round everything he went through, Um, you know it's 1154 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 1: one of his cousins. Boys he grew up with end 1155 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: up snitching on him. He's trying to take care of everybody. 1156 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,399 Speaker 1: Had a hunt of dudes rolling with him, taking care 1157 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 1: of everybody lifestyles. Like I learned so much from you 1158 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Just from me being younger looking 1159 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 1: up to him and being able to have a chance 1160 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,799 Speaker 1: to really sit in the same rooms and have like 1161 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: a big bro little bowl relationship like and when we 1162 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,239 Speaker 1: first met, he was like man, I see a lot 1163 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: a lot of you and me. And it was when 1164 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 1: he told me that ship kind of fuck me up 1165 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: because I'm like, damn, Like while you said that, he 1166 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,080 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I just see all your boys, 1167 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: you're taking you doing this, you're doing that. Like I 1168 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,359 Speaker 1: was the same way, but he was like, you need 1169 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,319 Speaker 1: to cut that because if it really comes down to it, 1170 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna have your back, you know what I'm saying. 1171 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,879 Speaker 1: If it comes a situation where issuing them, they're gonna 1172 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: choose them, you know. And it was like he really 1173 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 1: learned like betrilled, like people really stabbing on his back 1174 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: for people he took care of, you know what I'm saying. 1175 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 1: So he kind of like taught me that early. So 1176 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: for me, I was able to see like, you know, 1177 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 1: let me start cutting back, let me stop doing You 1178 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,880 Speaker 1: get what I'm saying, Because everybody loves you when you're 1179 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: on top and you're hand the money and you shopping 1180 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: and you're taking spreeze. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1181 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,719 Speaker 1: everybody love you. But the minute you don't do something 1182 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: for somebody, how they feel about you, so you say, 1183 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 1: now are gone? Anyway, I hope he get hurt. I 1184 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,480 Speaker 1: hope he getting cut. You know what I'm saying, just 1185 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: a little ship like that. But on the field, I 1186 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: mean one of the best deep balls. I mean, you've 1187 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: got a nice deep ball through right now. Uh in Stafford. 1188 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 1: But like I said, you and Mike's deep ball connection 1189 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: was under the level, Mike, Mike Vick. Ye as far 1190 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: as now, Like you know, I'm intrigued to see how 1191 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna work out with me and matth staff Matthew Stafford, 1192 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: but right now you're to date, Mike Vicks has been 1193 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: the best quarterback I played with it just as far 1194 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: as the deep ball, the home I'm balled through the 1195 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: deep passes like his arm was effortless. Looks just slinging. 1196 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: He used to be like this and throw eighty yards. 1197 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,840 Speaker 1: How can man doing that and throw the ball like 1198 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 1: you ain't even doing that. He's doing it like how 1199 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: you throw the ball at eighty yards just flicking the 1200 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: rist Mark's ninth my birthday, by the way, two thousand 1201 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 1: and seventeen, you pick yourself up a nice three year 1202 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,040 Speaker 1: deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh. What was it 1203 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: like being out there in Tampa? You had a young 1204 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: Mike william Or. Uh Mike Evans, right, yeah, tample weapons. Yeah, 1205 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: Tampa was a It was a cool vibe. Man. It 1206 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: was actually my first time I think I was just 1207 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,319 Speaker 1: turning thirty thirty one over whatever it was, and it 1208 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 1: was like my first time my career where I could 1209 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,920 Speaker 1: go playing some good weather. I'm like, I'm used to 1210 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: being in the code. He's oh phity Washington. It was 1211 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: like I had a chance to go to Florida. So 1212 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: when I first went to Florida, I got out there 1213 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: and Temple was hot. I ain't you you know, I'm 1214 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: a category. I ain't used to that. Tampa. When I 1215 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: went out there hunting ten degrees, hunting, uh, present humidity, 1216 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, this is gonna be brute. I remember 1217 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,760 Speaker 1: the first year. I remember the first game I'm playing 1218 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 1: in the game, Like if I knew it was gonna 1219 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: be this, I probably went to sign. But I'm about there. 1220 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: I never had a heat strug brother first game and 1221 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 1: I'm about to die. But now it was cool man, 1222 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: it was good aws. Uh you know Jamis Wilson was there. 1223 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,240 Speaker 1: Like you said, we had Chris Godwin, Uh, Mike, Mike Evans, 1224 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: you know the team with the team was five. We 1225 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,760 Speaker 1: we really didn't had too many. We had good players, 1226 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: but we didn't play that good. You know, two years 1227 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,360 Speaker 1: went five with five and eleven. So we never really 1228 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 1: end up. You know, Jamis kind of struggle a little bit. 1229 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,319 Speaker 1: Me and him really really never connected like that, And uh, 1230 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,239 Speaker 1: that's kind of the most of that story. It was, 1231 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 1: so you head back, uh to Philly where you were 1232 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,840 Speaker 1: sucked in with that situation getting there or what was 1233 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: your your approach heading back to Philly. So heading back 1234 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 1: to Philly in twenty nineteen, it was honestly at this point, 1235 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,480 Speaker 1: chip Kelly was gone. They had brought an old coach 1236 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,800 Speaker 1: back when I was used to be with Andy reid 1237 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,880 Speaker 1: Um Doug Peterson was the head coach. So I had 1238 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,839 Speaker 1: like a good relationship with Doug Peterson, so I could 1239 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: remember when I was in when I was in Washington, 1240 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: it was like they was trying to figure out a 1241 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: ways to get me back, like literally like four or 1242 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: five years and they was trying to get me back 1243 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,480 Speaker 1: because I was killing them so bad, like every time 1244 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 1: I played, and we gotta fire away to get back, 1245 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,319 Speaker 1: like chip Kelly gone, Like let's figure out a way 1246 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: to get him back. So I was in the talks, 1247 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, not not a lot of people suposting to it, 1248 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, you know we talked here and there. You 1249 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: know how ideas when a team wants you and you 1250 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: know they ain't posed behind that, they like, we're gonna 1251 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,239 Speaker 1: figure out the way to get your ads back. So 1252 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 1: it's just one of the things. But the reunion was 1253 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 1: actually it was good. It was good because you know, 1254 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: I felt like I really should have never left in 1255 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,799 Speaker 1: the first place, and it was like the person that 1256 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 1: really made the decision, it wasn't there no more. And 1257 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 1: even though the GM was there and certain people was there, 1258 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: like when Chip Kelly was here, they literally gave him 1259 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,720 Speaker 1: the key to everything, like he was like the general manager. 1260 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: He was bringing players in, like it was everything that 1261 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: was him. So I kind of really didn't feel that 1262 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: much of a weight towards the owner in the GM. 1263 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: But you know, they all ended together. You know, at 1264 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 1: the end of the day, they first game back, you 1265 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: break a record, uh to get you into I think 1266 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,799 Speaker 1: second place, Uh ship you surpassed Randy Moss. I mean, 1267 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,440 Speaker 1: that's the hell of his name. First and force, when 1268 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: you hear yourself knowing where you come from, what you've 1269 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,479 Speaker 1: been through the journey you've been on. When you start 1270 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 1: passing people like Randy Moss and lessons of the game 1271 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: like that, what does that mean to you? I mean, honestly, man, 1272 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 1: in the midst of it, you know, you feel good 1273 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: about it, but it's still like I ain't done, because 1274 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like I I still 1275 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: know I got a lot left in the tank, and 1276 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm continuously still putting on, man. And 1277 00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,280 Speaker 1: it's like as much as I feel like I've arrived 1278 00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: or I've accomplished something, like I ain't done yet, bro. 1279 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,800 Speaker 1: So I'm still I'm not really content with that because 1280 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,880 Speaker 1: I know I still want to push that that that 1281 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 1: bar I want to push that you ain't You ain't 1282 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 1: sat back and just thought about really, I mean moments 1283 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,000 Speaker 1: he was here and there to hit me like I 1284 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 1: see something like damn. You know, But when you're in 1285 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: the midst of it, bro, you really really yeah, you 1286 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: don't really get too much caught up in it. Because 1287 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: if I sit back and get too much caught up 1288 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 1: in it, it's gonna take me off my ground. I 1289 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: don't want to get off like I'm still on the needle. 1290 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 1: Uh first touchdown with the Rams, you're tied for the 1291 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 1: most uh seventy five plush yard touched. That's sucking crazy 1292 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,280 Speaker 1: to say. If y'ard touched out, you tie the record 1293 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,000 Speaker 1: the most, Like what's that like for you? That that 1294 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: one right there was special And the reason the reason 1295 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: why I said that one special because it happened back home, 1296 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's that's where I started 1297 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 1: playing that, you know. So for me to come back 1298 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 1: home like literally was so far Stadi was built, was 1299 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: where I played part wanta ball. That ground up, that soil, 1300 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,040 Speaker 1: all that dirt right there is where I used to 1301 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: play ball. That being a little hard hitted, snotty nose 1302 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,800 Speaker 1: boy like I was in the backyards playing over there, 1303 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: bro So for me to come back and score my 1304 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 1: setting with ninth, serdeni fire, like you said that that 1305 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: number is. I didn't ever really know about that stat 1306 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,479 Speaker 1: that one kind of caught me yard. I knew about 1307 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 1: the fifty yard or the sifty yarder, but when they 1308 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: said serdny fire, that might be hard for anybody to 1309 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: be right there because the last person that had I 1310 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 1: think it was like one or something crazy, you know, 1311 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So gotta say, Man, I'm still in 1312 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: the midst of I can't. I can't get content. Bro. 1313 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,720 Speaker 1: Maybe one day we'll sit back and you know, do 1314 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,640 Speaker 1: what we do and talk about it. But as right now, Uh, 1315 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 1: toughest defenses to come to mind. A couple of defensive 1316 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,400 Speaker 1: come to mind over throughout your thirteen plus your career. 1317 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I would probably have to say I had 1318 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: to go back to the early days, like my my 1319 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 1: rookie year, I would probably say, like the Pitchburgh Steelers, 1320 00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:02,080 Speaker 1: Troy Polama, who, uh, Joey Porter, Uh, what's the what's 1321 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,520 Speaker 1: the big Harrison Harrison? Yeah, James James Harrison still bench 1322 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 1: pressed the house. Um, yeah, that that defense was crazy. 1323 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: Casey Hayward, Oh, I can't forget about air reading and 1324 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 1: Ray Lewis. It was called Boston Moore was called back 1325 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,080 Speaker 1: then too. It was something. It was something about the 1326 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: AFC back then towns and yeah, towns and they they 1327 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: had according to I can't remember his name, but yeah, 1328 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,480 Speaker 1: they they were them two defenses was called back off 1329 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 1: the field. Uh, you're part of the Tupac all Eyes 1330 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 1: on Me project with our man Lt. Hut. I saw 1331 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: the cameo. I didn't know that, yeah, but you behind 1332 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: the scenes. But our man LT talked to us how 1333 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 1: that came about, and uh some some of the other 1334 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 1: business stuff you interested in off the field shit. So 1335 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean the LT situation obviously, you know LT. Just 1336 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,440 Speaker 1: the relationship with you know, Snooping. You know, since I've 1337 00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 1: been a young kid back and going to high school college, 1338 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, I used to always just be around him, 1339 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,040 Speaker 1: hanging out with him. So, you know, me and LT 1340 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,200 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, just genuinely, you know, built the 1341 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,920 Speaker 1: relationship where I knew he was in the music industry. 1342 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: You know, I was dealing with some music stuff. You know, 1343 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,800 Speaker 1: I got a record label. He was kind of helping 1344 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 1: me on and you know, LT us always be like, 1345 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, I know you love his music ship, but 1346 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 1: he was like, this movie stuff is where you need 1347 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,440 Speaker 1: to put your money. And He's like, I could guarantee 1348 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,000 Speaker 1: you get your money back on the movie. He said, 1349 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,560 Speaker 1: the music, I can't guarantee you come back your money 1350 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 1: back on the music, but he said this movie I could. 1351 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,200 Speaker 1: I could guarantee that. So you know, we came together 1352 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I invested in the Tupac film 1353 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he had the company called The 1354 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: Program Pictures where you know, he had like a lot 1355 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,720 Speaker 1: of projects, you know that he was working on. But yeah, 1356 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,240 Speaker 1: the Tupact. You know, growing up, I'm a dollhard. Tupac 1357 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,360 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite he don't know what any 1358 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: of course, you know, Tupac is one of my favorites. 1359 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,120 Speaker 1: You know, getting through when I was young and just 1360 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,960 Speaker 1: hearing gunshots and just living in the hood, like I 1361 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,560 Speaker 1: should throw Tupac on it. He would help, you know, 1362 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 1: relieve like certain situations I went through. So that to 1363 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: being able to have a piece in that Tupac movie, 1364 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 1: that's like, that's a legendary for me. That's like one 1365 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: of my goals, like you say, a pet p or 1366 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,280 Speaker 1: something you on your bucket list that you gotta have 1367 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: before you die, Like that's one of the things. To 1368 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,080 Speaker 1: being connected with something that had to do with Tupac 1369 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 1: being a producer in this movie. That's bigger than having 1370 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,840 Speaker 1: a party and yeah, now you're right, And then for 1371 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,240 Speaker 1: that to be saying like yeah, that was that was 1372 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,040 Speaker 1: crazy would even be a part of right. You know 1373 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,919 Speaker 1: that you have a weekly podcast, Fade the booth Um, 1374 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,840 Speaker 1: talk to us about that you got to cut, you 1375 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,680 Speaker 1: put a couple of episodes out, You've got something the bank. 1376 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 1: What were trying to get across with that? So so 1377 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,440 Speaker 1: fade the booth man. Um, So I got hurt, I wannestly. 1378 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,680 Speaker 1: I got hurt about like the two thousand nineteen and 1379 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 1: I had like a growing injury surgery and I was 1380 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,800 Speaker 1: off for the season. So I'm sitting back, I'm like, man, 1381 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,720 Speaker 1: you're twelve. I'm like, man, I can't play football forever, Like, 1382 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: let me figure out something knocking, you know, do where 1383 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,040 Speaker 1: it's like fun and it ain't hard for me, you 1384 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I'm sitting back thinking, I'm like, 1385 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, my brother always had a camera in my 1386 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:09,160 Speaker 1: face that had documentaries. He still shoots out now. But uh, 1387 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I was always, you know, in front 1388 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 1: of a camera. It's like this ship is easy to me. Bro. 1389 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 1: So I'm like, let me, you know, bring people and 1390 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,280 Speaker 1: there y'all to y'all inspired it, you know, getting a 1391 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,560 Speaker 1: kid willow like you know, seeing young brothers kind of 1392 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,560 Speaker 1: doing their thing. And I'm sitting back like, you know, 1393 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,680 Speaker 1: let me, let me get into the podcast industry. And 1394 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 1: for me, I just really wanted to open up and 1395 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, give you know, my platform and you know 1396 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,000 Speaker 1: my viewers just the inside to me, you know, and 1397 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,280 Speaker 1: not only me, but you know my guest. You know, 1398 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: I had a little Wayne come on had uh you know, Mark, 1399 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,400 Speaker 1: Shawn Lynch, Michael Vick, Michael Rubin, just give him a 1400 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,720 Speaker 1: different perspective, you know, Like I had an owner on here, 1401 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,439 Speaker 1: like a billionaire owner, just talking about like lifestyle things 1402 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,520 Speaker 1: like what made him who he was at early because 1403 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,120 Speaker 1: he was twenty years old, thirteen years old, had a 1404 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,640 Speaker 1: billionaire mentality. You know, people invested in them, you know, 1405 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,240 Speaker 1: him taking out money like things that me, being twelve 1406 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,640 Speaker 1: years old, I wouldn' thought about, like how his mind 1407 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,520 Speaker 1: was programed. Like So it's just for me just opening 1408 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,120 Speaker 1: up and talking about situations that people can sit back 1409 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,840 Speaker 1: and know that like we all might be celebrities, we 1410 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,720 Speaker 1: all might be who we are, but we still went 1411 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,200 Speaker 1: through ship that it was that defining point in our life. 1412 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,479 Speaker 1: Like you know, so for me to fade the booth 1413 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: is really just letting people know it's possible to make it. 1414 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,440 Speaker 1: Like everybody that's successful, we go through something and I 1415 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,520 Speaker 1: know a lot of people be sitting back at home, Like, oh, 1416 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,240 Speaker 1: I tried this and it didn't work, So let me 1417 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,600 Speaker 1: give up? No, like, keep going, like, figure out what 1418 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: it is you want to do. So for me, I 1419 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: love inspired, man. So Faith the Booth is really just inspired. Man. 1420 01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,640 Speaker 1: Where can they find that? So Faith the Booth you 1421 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: can find on I g then you know it's on 1422 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,640 Speaker 1: you know, YouTube, Spotify, it tunes, you know the whole time. 1423 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:47,480 Speaker 1: Shout check man. I love for y'all to come on 1424 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:53,400 Speaker 1: mind to you know, we gotta cross promoted man. Fatherhood. 1425 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:58,080 Speaker 1: You got two little guys. How important is that to you? Man? Fatherhood? Man, 1426 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,240 Speaker 1: It's huge to me. I'll look at fatherhood as you know, 1427 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 1: what do I want my kids to hear about me 1428 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,440 Speaker 1: when they when they grow up and they become older. 1429 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: You know, what are people gonna say about their dad? 1430 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,920 Speaker 1: You know? And for me, I'm gonna stand up. Dude. 1431 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm a respectful dude. You know, I'm a hard working dude, 1432 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,959 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I just want them to know that, 1433 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, they pops as a real one, you know, 1434 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: and they got something to look up to. But then 1435 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,160 Speaker 1: then my kids gonna be real is they might not 1436 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,880 Speaker 1: grow up and live. I live, but I'm install that 1437 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 1: and and have them understanding like you know, you gotta 1438 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,840 Speaker 1: get you gotta work for what you want on here, 1439 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 1: you know. So I think me and a father for 1440 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,920 Speaker 1: me kind of you know. Let me know, it's not 1441 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: all about myself. You know when you before you have kids, 1442 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,760 Speaker 1: you put yourself first. And it's like, now that I 1443 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 1: have kids, I'm not first anymore, my kids, but first, 1444 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 1: you know. So that's all I look at it. Quick hitters, 1445 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,920 Speaker 1: final stretch, first thing to come to mind. Let us know. 1446 01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,760 Speaker 1: Top five receivers are all time, Top five receivers all time. 1447 01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:00,880 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Jerry Rice, uh 1448 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:13,080 Speaker 1: Randy Moss, Michael Irving, Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson. Who's I'm 1449 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: up there? I ain't put me in there, but I'm up. 1450 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:20,440 Speaker 1: The Top three artists, Our songs on rotation on Game Day. 1451 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,720 Speaker 1: Top three artists, Our songs. I got Um, I got 1452 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,919 Speaker 1: Nipsey for show, Nipsey hustle on there, um Tupac our 1453 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:37,120 Speaker 1: lives on me. Third one probably would be I like 1454 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,760 Speaker 1: the young jeezy, But when I knew, I was thinking 1455 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,439 Speaker 1: about just say geez, why jeez, Yeah, you're the old 1456 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:51,040 Speaker 1: man one. Yeah to be on there for sure. If 1457 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,720 Speaker 1: you can go back and relive one moment in your 1458 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,200 Speaker 1: career high school, college, NFL up to this point, where 1459 01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,320 Speaker 1: would it be, man, high school? Bro? I would probably 1460 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,440 Speaker 1: say if I could rewind time, and I would want 1461 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,960 Speaker 1: to go back to my high school days. Man. I 1462 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,920 Speaker 1: used to really have so much fun in high school, 1463 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,600 Speaker 1: being being like a junior senior, having all them scholarships offers, 1464 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,560 Speaker 1: being a dude. You know, back then, I had a car, 1465 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,000 Speaker 1: like you know we used to just you ain't had 1466 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,280 Speaker 1: no I ain't got no bills and mars. Give me 1467 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 1: a little money here and there. I'm going hanging with 1468 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,320 Speaker 1: the homes. We're hanging out, hanging with ain't no telling 1469 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:23,920 Speaker 1: wore doing? Man, I used to have fun. But I 1470 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,440 Speaker 1: think about now thirty fun Like damn, we're all the 1471 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,160 Speaker 1: time ago. But it's like, if you could relive it 1472 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,040 Speaker 1: like high school, if I like some good moments from 1473 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:38,600 Speaker 1: the top Top three favorite NBA players to watch Top three? Uh, 1474 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:45,840 Speaker 1: number one, I'm wrong, Na, he don't know. You know, 1475 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,320 Speaker 1: you know I argue with a lot of these dudes 1476 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,640 Speaker 1: on this Kobe Bryant thing, man, because I feel like 1477 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't get me wrong, Lebron is freaking nation like 1478 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,919 Speaker 1: he's really one on one, but he don't. He don't 1479 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,000 Speaker 1: got that killer instinct. I say the same thing, he 1480 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,080 Speaker 1: don't got that dog, And I'm like, it's it's times 1481 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,040 Speaker 1: where you know, took over. He did his thing, but 1482 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,000 Speaker 1: he got dog. Just ain't the Kobe dog. A lot 1483 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,840 Speaker 1: of times he passing the ball, Like I don't want 1484 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,959 Speaker 1: if you're the dog, you know, man, two or three minutes, 1485 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to see you passing. You're taking over. 1486 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,240 Speaker 1: It's just for me, y'all. You know, I know Kobe 1487 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,120 Speaker 1: gonna take over. He might shoot them up a hunt 1488 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:26,200 Speaker 1: of times. But but yeah, so Kobe um Ai Chuck 1489 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:32,000 Speaker 1: and uh my third man, my third probably be uh. 1490 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:40,360 Speaker 1: I like, damn man, Yeah, five dinner guests dead, are alive, 1491 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Five dinner guests chopping it about life. Hmmm. I would 1492 01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:57,280 Speaker 1: have liked to do pack shit Kobe, Uh, I say, 1493 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Eli Muss Beyonce and probably the last one I'd probably 1494 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:08,160 Speaker 1: go with h m hmm. Man, I'm talking last seat, 1495 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,200 Speaker 1: last seat. Who can I say the comedian that you 1496 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,600 Speaker 1: might want to laugh a little bit, said they Chappelle. 1497 01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,200 Speaker 1: He on the hot seat right now. It ain't even 1498 01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:28,240 Speaker 1: to be honest, it ain't even hot. Mother's who had 1499 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,760 Speaker 1: something to say. I wish you motherfucking would right the 1500 01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:38,040 Speaker 1: ground love it. Last question the goat. Okay, the last 1501 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,599 Speaker 1: question is remember your answer. You gotta help us get 1502 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,479 Speaker 1: your answer on the show. Right. Who do you want 1503 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:49,920 Speaker 1: to see on All the Smoke? Mm hmm. He's gonna 1504 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:52,439 Speaker 1: that's easy. But he's gonna do that without it. That's easy. 1505 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:58,040 Speaker 1: Ship Bron. So. I just ran into bron last night 1506 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,679 Speaker 1: at Westbrooks. They had the premiere last that I've seen Broun. 1507 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,479 Speaker 1: I said, Bro, it's time in season three. He's like, 1508 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. I think everybody can do It's 1509 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,160 Speaker 1: a good thing about it though. It's a lot of podcasting, 1510 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,600 Speaker 1: a lot of shows. But everybody waiting for him to 1511 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,400 Speaker 1: sit on that couch, no question. You know what I'm saying. 1512 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,920 Speaker 1: They waiting for him do it. Y'all could do it? 1513 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on, can do it? Wait on? 1514 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,040 Speaker 1: Well man. That's a rap for Sean Jackson. Last name, 1515 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,760 Speaker 1: m l A's Finest You cast us on Showtime, Basketball, 1516 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:35,160 Speaker 1: YouTube and the Heart Platform Black Effects. See y'all next week. 1517 01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,120 Speaker 1: This is All a Smoke, a production of the Black Effect, 1518 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,800 Speaker 1: and Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime