1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,360 Speaker 1: Cash. 2 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 2: You guys a question about the coaches thing, because on 3 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 2: both podcasts you guys have aired out how you felt 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: about obviously pat Riley, George Carl. Uh what. 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Phil Jackson hold on? I didn't hear how you felt 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: about coach Carl. We could we got. 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: No no. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: But actually the real question is the when when do 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: you know it's time to all right, let me close 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: this chapter, or let me let me tell my story 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: about this versus just like let me I'm not even 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: gonna talk about it time? 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: And is everything when? When? When there's when. 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: You have stories, then you have truth. You ain't in 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 3: no rush to get to the truth. 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: M hm. He had stories. I have the truth. 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: I've never spoken knowing it. I've never said anything to nobody. 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: I took the shots whatever. 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: Came with it. I hated, Oh. 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: Phil, you talking about Phil and and and my thing 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: about that. And this is what why I say, you know, 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: let me close this, beef. 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: I never knew that. I don't feel got beef. I 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: ain't got no. He's actually he's actually like I hat. 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: To your credit, you've always seek to find common ground. 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: Thank you, and so to reach out to people like 27 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: how you deal with this how you feel different. 28 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to ask you philosophically how you feel 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: about this, because as a fan, I would see what's 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: happening with you guys. Then he would drop a buck 31 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: telling a story about you. 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Let me get a difference. 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: I would have a different perspective, right if I was 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: sitting in his seat right in the seat of Phil 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: was my coach. He coached me, right, So if you 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: want me to do something, you can coach me through it. 37 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: You can bring it to my attention. You could break 38 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: it down because you are coaching the game. So I 39 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: respect you as the coach of the game. You're the 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: president of the team talking about the team. And if 41 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: you talking about the team and the team is not good, 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 3: then who does the bullets go to the guy who 43 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: wears a white hat on the team. Because it's an 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: easier escapegoal to point me out than it is to 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: just say and man up and say, you know what, 46 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: my tenure here wasn't great at all. Had the tenure 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: I should have came down there and coach. That was 48 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: my only thing. So to close, you know, I bought 49 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: it back for a circle like. Look, I never had 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: two conversations with you ever, in six vice five years. 51 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a very strange power. 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: It's weird. 53 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: It's a very strange thing. 54 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: If you was my coach, if you came down. I 55 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: think I said this back then. 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: I said, listen, I would want nothing more than Phil 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: Jackson to come out the front office and he should 58 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: coach this team. He should coach this team. You can't 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: give uh uh uh Derek Fisher and and and throw 60 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: him under the bus like that. You can't do that. 61 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: And de Fisher is my guy now, he's my colleague, 62 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: you know, I mean right now. But you can't do 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: that at that point in time. 64 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: And I didn't look at it from that perspective. Very 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: very interesting and great take. I when I first met 66 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Field and he coached me, so I didn't think of 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: like you said. So that was that was a great 68 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: point right there because of his resume. I just I 69 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: just shut up because of his resume. 70 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: So but then you pick up like a book at 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: Hudson Newstand and be like, why is he saying this 72 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: about me? But how crazy it is to be at 73 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: an airport and be like, damn, I didn't know you 74 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: thought that way. 75 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: Do My thing was, you know, Carmelo was the pressure 76 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 1: of being great, but then people throw in your face 77 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: you haven't won. Yeah, so out of all the superstars, 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: I probably have the most sweeps out of all superstars. Right, 79 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: I've been swept five times. So it was the pressure 80 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: was adding up. So now when I said Phil's coming, 81 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to shut up and listening 82 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: because what I'm doing and all these other guys ain't working. 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: And but from from day one, I know he was 84 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: a psychological guy because he's because he used to do 85 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: the same dump My father memb me though. So first 86 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: time get to his house, he opened the door, he said, hey, 87 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: I need you to move that log to that island, 88 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: and he shuts the door, and I'm looking at a 89 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: big log on the thing and Aland's over there. He 90 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: wanted me to jump in the cold water with his 91 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: son and swim pushed the log to the thing. So 92 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, like, okay, my daddy used to 93 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: do this. Hey, go outside and ranked the leaves and 94 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: rake the neighbor's leaves, rank the neighbor leaves, and and 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: you got two hours to do it. I said, okay, 96 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: So I did it. That water was cold, and I 97 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: almost died. When I jumped in that well, I had 98 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: to take my clothes off. It was just my drawers 99 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: and the tank top free. But I did it, and 100 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: then we came in and we had to talk. He said, Okay, 101 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: you passed the first tess and he told me, he said, 102 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: if you would have gave me about moving and luck, 103 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have coached. But I'm hearing a lot of 104 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: things about you and Kobe, but you're the guy. I 105 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: want to see how you are. So he didn't know 106 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: that I grew up in that type of background, so 107 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: my relationship would feel different. But your other coach called, 108 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: I hated up. Yeah, do a long time. 109 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 3: Can you guys explain why? 110 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: Though? Okay, so my All Star game, I'm coming up. 111 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: They double trip between me and all Sucker Like I'm like, because. 112 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: Man, different, it was a different Old Star game back then. 113 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: You know, double team people and all man. It's so 114 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: fascinating what triggers you, bro. 115 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: It's so interesting, Like it's a very get off my 116 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: space because interesting. 117 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: Because doing our doing our regular season, we got to 118 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: do our regular post All Star was like one or 119 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: two times just let me in and out pull it up. 120 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: At the time, yeah, showtime wanted to do it, and 121 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: he doubled in tain me I got a basketball. I 122 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: never did like him after that, and I didn't like 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: how you treated you. I didn't like that your story 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: My story. 125 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: Was he's aired out on the podcast. 126 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but in a nutshell, right. 127 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 3: My story is a young black basketball player coming from 128 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: a very specific place, coming from the hood, getting to 129 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: a Denver Nuggets organization, having the way a white hat 130 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: being thrown the keys, and telling hey, go win me 131 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: a championship at nineteen twenty years old. 132 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Right, So that was part of it. 133 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: And now you get an older coach who is very 134 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: traditional my way of the highway cut from a different 135 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: coaching clothe right, from Dean Smith, No Carolina like he's 136 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: come from basketball and royalty. 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