1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with text Stuff from how 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: stuff Works dot com. Either everyone, and welcome to text Stuff. 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren Volcon, and today we're 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: going to talk about a cool piece of historic technology 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: that to this very day, at least as of the 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: recording of this podcast, is still working in a certain 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: form in some places. In some places, yeah, we're talking 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: about that. This was actually Lauren's suggestion. We were looking 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: at different fire prevention type technologies. Well, we had gotten 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: a reader request, a listener request, because this is an 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: audio podcast and I and I do not have the 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: request open in front of me, so I apologize to 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: the nice human person who sent this in. UM, someone 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: requested that we do uh episode about fire alarms, And 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: in initial research, I there's so much that that is 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: commercial out there that's immediately available and uh, and we 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: were kind of running up to a deadline. But I 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: realized that, um, that the original fire alarm system a 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: telegraph system in Boston in the eighteen hundreds, eighteen fifty. Fascinating. Yeah, 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: this this turned out to be an amazing topic. So 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: we decided to tackle this system that was installed in 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty two. We're not there yet, by the way, 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: not at all. We're gonna we're gonna work our way 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: up to eighteen fifty two. But it was installed in 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty two and it's still working today. Now. We'll 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: address that in greater detail as the episode goes on. So, 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: but it's still really kind of remarkable to think of this, 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: this system that's over a hundred fifty years old still running. 29 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what necessitated it now. Really to 30 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: think about it is to talk about the rise of 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: the construction of cities, which often ended up being rapid 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: and unplanned and made a material that we will generously 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: called flammable. Right there, there wasn't so many steel beams 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: and concrete being used, and even say even even brick 35 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: houses would have wooden window frames or door frames or 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: flooring or whatever, and if a fire got hot enough, 37 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: it could actually cause those materials to burst into flame, 38 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: even if they didn't have direct contact with the flames themselves. 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: It would create what is really called a firestorm, where 40 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: the fire gets so hot it starts to be able 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: to it just sort of balloons out of control. And uh, 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: an early example of this one that was absolutely devastating. 43 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: We have to look back all the way to sixteen 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: sixty six the Great Fire of London. Now, this affected 45 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: the city of London, which is a square mile. That's 46 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: tiny compared to metropolitan London, right, but this fire devastated 47 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: that part of London and stretched a little bit beyond 48 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: those borders, depending upon you know which side you're talking about, 49 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: destroying more than ten thousand houses in the process. And 50 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: it's it was an enormously devastating fire. And so that 51 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: was an example of something that really showed that there 52 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: was a need now that we had these cities that 53 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: were really densely populated with lots and lots of houses 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: that are built incredibly close together, some of them so 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: close that even in an alleyway, the the upper stories 56 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: would be in contact with each other. So you might 57 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: have enough room at the at the ground level to 58 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: walk through, but if you were to look up, you 59 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't see sky. Wow, that's kind of terrifying. Yeah, it 60 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: is a little creepy, you know. It's almost like every 61 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: alleyway is really just becomes a tunnel because these these 62 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: upper stories of these buildings are Yeah, so before in Boston, 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: here's how a typical fire would be reported. Uh so, 64 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: so someone would be assigned the task in in a 65 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: particular neighbor hood or area of town that if if 66 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: fire broke out, they would um go run to the 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: nearest church and and ring the church bells. And you 68 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: had people also who would carry wooden rattles and rattle 69 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: them or just holler. Yeah, so Boston ended up having 70 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: this this real problem. I mean they called it hallooing 71 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: a fire because really you're just kind of hooting and 72 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: hollering trying to get people's attention. But that's not terribly precise. 73 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: In fact, it could be very confusing. If anyone has 74 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: ever been in a large city and heard a noise, 75 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: it could be really hard to detect where that noise 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: is coming from, let alone a precise location. It's hard 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: just to even figure out the general direction sometimes just 78 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: the way sound travels and bounces around. Sure, and the 79 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: speed of response is so important in these kind of things, 80 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: especially back in in those days, when containing a fire 81 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: would absolutely I mean not that that's not true these days, 82 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: but yeah, it could spread so quickly. I mean they 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, every the basic building materials that were a 84 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: lot of these buildings were made of were very flammable. 85 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of flame retardant type material being 86 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: mixed in at that time, so you had a serious 87 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: need to have a quick response. And unfortunately what was 88 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: happening was that fire engines would leave the fire station 89 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: with no way of knowing where the actual fire was, 90 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: and so they essentially go off in all different directions 91 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: trying to find the fire. It was really only if 92 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: a fire had gotten so huge as you could see it, yeah, 93 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: and by then getting it under control is even more difficult. 94 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: So at the time you would have a fire foreman 95 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: who would actually shout directions through a trumpet, like a 96 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: speaking trumpet, all right, like a cheerleaders, Yeah, megaphone, any 97 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: other than cheerleaders, that's right. Uh. And so one of 98 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: the awards that would be given away to firefighters for 99 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: distinguished service was a silver trumpet that was kind of saying, 100 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: in the execution of your duty, you have done amazing service. 101 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: And keep in mind that a lot of these firefighters 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: were volunteer firefighters. This was not the necessarily, not in 103 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: Boston anyway. It's not necessarily the era of private firefighting companies, 104 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: which were also a thing. To the point where there 105 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: were companies that would compete with one another or turn 106 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: away service based on Yeah, they'd show up and to 107 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: be like, we'll put out that fire, but first you 108 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: gotta pay us. Not the most altruistic of firefighting efforts. 109 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: But in this case we're talking about citizens of volunteers. Really, 110 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: but that was before eighty five. Now, in eighteen forty four, 111 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: a certain inventor created something that would change the world. Actually, 112 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: let me take this back just a tiny bit, because 113 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: you were you were about to talk about Samuel Morris. 114 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: I am, but you you you have something to to interject. 115 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: I do have something to interject. The thing is that 116 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: that Samuel Morris was not the inventor of the telegraph. 117 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't even the sole inventor of Morse code. UM. 118 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: The first known telegraph line was erected in eighteen thirty 119 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: seven by Charles Whitstone and William Cook in the UK. 120 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: UM this was a line between Euston and Camden Town 121 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: on the London and Burningham Railway. And uh it was 122 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: this complex five line, five needles system that would point 123 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: to different letters on a grid by reversing the direction 124 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: of the current flowing through these five wires and um 125 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: it was it was pretty unwieldy, those those you know, 126 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: having five wires per terminal was really expensive and really complex, 127 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: especially for eighteen thirty seven. But these those two gentlemen 128 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: had been kind of independently working through the concepts that 129 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: Michael Fairday were talking was talking about and in creating 130 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: this telegraph technology. Samuel Morse was the first one to 131 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: complete a line here in the States. That line opened 132 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: up between d C and Baltimore in um. The first 133 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: message he sent in his early version of Morse code 134 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: was what hath god wrocked? Yeah? And um, yeah, that 135 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: that's a famous message. That boy little apocalyptic there in 136 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: a way. But yeah, so you might be wondering, how 137 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: do does this system actually work? And it's it's pretty cool. 138 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: So uh so we you know what we've talked about 139 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: circuits quite a bit on this podcast. But a circuit, 140 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, that's essentially a pathway that electricity can take. Now, 141 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: if you have what is called an open circuit, that 142 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: means that electricity can't pass all the way through the circuit, 143 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: there's something there's a gap there, so it can no 144 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: longer travel and continue its path. A closed circuit means 145 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: that it's completely closed and yeah, and an electricity can 146 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: go all the way through the pathway. So if you 147 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: were to have an open circuit, a telegraph line that's 148 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: an open circuit, and you had a switch, in this 149 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: case a telegraph key that when you press the SWI 150 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: which it closes the circuit so that electricity can flow through. 151 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: On the other end of that circuit is a receiving 152 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: station that when it receives this an electro magnet activates 153 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: because we know, you know, when you have electricity going 154 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: through an electromagnet, it creates a magnetic force. The magnetic 155 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: force pulls on one end of a lever. The other 156 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: end of the lever is attached to a pen that 157 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: comes into contact with a rolling piece of paper, and 158 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: so as you hold down the key, the pen stays 159 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: in contact with the paper because electricity is flowing through 160 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: and it's activated that electro magnetic coil. When you let 161 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: go of the key, electricity stops flowing the magnetic coil 162 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: let's go, and the pen the lever drops, lifting the 163 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: pen off the paper or removing the paper from the pen. 164 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: It all depends on the actual implementation of this technology 165 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: because there were different models of telegraph machines. So by 166 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: doing a series of taps, you can create dots and 167 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: dashes on the paper as the pen moves on and 168 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: off of it. That and earn would be interpreted as 169 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: Morse code, So you would have a certain series of 170 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: dots and dashes representing each letter of the alphabet. Also numbers, 171 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Uh. So that was your your 172 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: basic telegraph station. You had the sending and the receiving 173 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: and then you might have another circuit that is on 174 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: the receiving end where they can send messages back right, 175 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: and and that specific battery switch electromagnet rig was Morse's invention. 176 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: There we go, and that would become really important in 177 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: what we're about to discuss the idea of using this 178 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: in a way beyond sending a message and making it 179 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: an actual alert system. So that comes up to eighteen 180 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: forty four. Morse has has completed this and demonstrated it 181 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: and it's shown to be an effective means of communication. 182 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: That was, yeah, it was. It was really popular in 183 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: in the news and you know, ever, it was what 184 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: everyone was talking about in scientific circles because finally you 185 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: could get news from from one city to another city 186 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: in right faster than any other means of transportation at 187 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: that time. So eighteen forty five, a year after Morse 188 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: has really has really broken this open in the US, 189 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: a mandate. Dr William F. Channing, a native of Boston 190 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and of 191 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: Harvard with a medical degree, published an article in the 192 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: Boston Daily Advertiser, and it was all about creating a 193 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: telegraph based fire alarm system for Boston. It was it 194 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: was an article that was saying, hey, this dude, Morse 195 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: has this pretty cool thing. We can use that thing. Yeah, 196 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: And and the problems that we have right now in 197 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: Boston mainly that by the time an alarm gets to 198 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: a fire station, it's almost too late, and the fire 199 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: station doesn't even really know where the fire is. This 200 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: solves both of those problems because the communication is immediate, 201 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: and because of the way we can design this, it 202 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: can be precise so that every single alarm station that 203 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: we erect that's part of the system will have its 204 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: own unique identifier, so that way we know where the 205 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: fire is, not just that it's happened, but where it is. 206 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: And that way we have much faster response time. Yeah. 207 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: So he he was recommending not only the the application 208 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: of this technology, but an organization system built around it. Yeah. 209 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: He had an entire infrastructure that he proposed, and this 210 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: is what eventually gets put in place in Boston more 211 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: or less. I mean, it's almost exactly what he had proposed, 212 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: although it did have to go through some refining and 213 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: tweaking because this was a brand new system. No one 214 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: had tried it before. And of course, as anyone who 215 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: has worked with any type of technology knows, bugs will 216 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: pop up. As you know, you'll you'll think, oh, well, 217 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: based upon electronic principles, that should work perfectly, perfectly, and 218 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure this. Oh, this switch was turned in 219 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: open form, it should be closed. But so so he 220 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: joined up with an electrical engineer, Um, Moses chief Farmer. Yeah, yeah, 221 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: Moses chief Farmer. Interesting guy. He had worked in a 222 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: civil engineers office for a while. He was also a 223 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: school principal for a while. Uh, and he had an 224 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: affinity for machines. In fact, the first machine he had 225 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: built that I could find anyway. He may have worked 226 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: on other ones before this, but he created a machine 227 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: that could print paper window shades. Uh. And then he 228 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: when Morse really got the telegraph going, he became interested 229 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: in telegraph machines, began to work on them, and eventually 230 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: was put in charge of the telegraph line between Boston 231 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: and Newberryport, Massachusetts in eighteen forty eight, and actually got 232 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: to the point where he had sort of a managerial position. 233 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: He would help open new telegraph offices in the area 234 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: and make sure that the connections were there and every 235 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: thing along those lines. He and Dr Channing kind of 236 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: put their heads together and came up with this this 237 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: UH proposal. And now in eighteen forty eight, Farmer actually 238 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: invented an electric striking apparatus for the fire Alarm service 239 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: because part of this overall infrastructure they were talking about 240 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: was not just something that would notify the fire stations 241 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: that there was a fire, but also have an alarm 242 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: system to alert the citizens that a fire was in 243 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: the area. Yeah. Yeah, something that would simultaneously alert UM 244 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: all the other like like you know, from a grand 245 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: central station, it would alert all of the stations along 246 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: with the citizenship, right exactly. So this way, if you've 247 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: ever lived in a place that has UH an orchestrated 248 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: alarm system, something like in here in Atlanta, we talked 249 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: about tornado alarms that if you hear the tornado sirens 250 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: go off, you know there's a tornado in the area. Uh. 251 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: The this is sort of a similar thing. The bells 252 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: would ring uh to alert citizens. And ideally, in the 253 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: actual proposal, they had talked about connecting all the church 254 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: bells in Boston to this system, so that they would 255 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: all ring simultaneously and simultaneously in a pattern that would 256 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: identify the location of the fire. So, in other words, 257 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: once you knew what the different patterns were, you would 258 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: know where the fire was no matter where you were 259 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: in the city of Boston, by the sound of the 260 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: bells ringing. As it turns out, getting all the bells 261 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: in the city to ring simultaneously is somewhat of a 262 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: non trivial problem. That's complex, yeah, trying to get I mean, 263 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about physical circuits here. These are physical wires, 264 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: like over over the air wires. I mean, these are 265 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: wires that are above ground, uh, you know, held up 266 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: on rooftops of houses, supported by glass insulators. You know. 267 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: They and in fact, there's actually some discrepancy about whether 268 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: or not the original wires were all yeah, yeah, I 269 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: mean because at the time the the insulation um insulation 270 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: technology was was glass tar pitch. Yeah, there are no 271 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: plastics there were there were no plastics. UM. They started 272 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: getting into UM two ceramics and stuff like that a 273 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: little bit later, but that wouldn't be for another couple 274 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: of decades, I don't think now. And Channing's writing he 275 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: refers to it as being insulated, and then other writings 276 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: referred to them being not insulated. So here's the thing, 277 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: because we're talking about historical documents and historical uh events, 278 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: and this is a time where this is before the 279 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: digital age. Clearly we're talking to eighteen fifties. The records 280 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: are UH sparse, and not all of them are not 281 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: all of them agree with one another. We we we 282 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: depend on correspondence and patents and stuff like that, Saper articles. 283 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: I have a whole new respect for Holly and Tracy 284 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: over at us plug. We need to we need to 285 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: have a little bell sound every time we plug one 286 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: of our our sister podcasts UM. But they do amazing work. 287 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, when this really opens up your eyes to 288 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: how complex it becomes. So we've got Farmer and we've 289 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: got Channing working on this proposed system, and it wasn't 290 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: until eighteen fifty one that they actually presented their proposal 291 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: to the city, the Boston City government, and they argued 292 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: that this would be a way that would save a 293 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: lot some money in the long run, because fires were 294 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: still in a big issue, big fear they happened. I mean, 295 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: it was a scary thing that could completely devastate an 296 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: entire city, or at least districts of a city. There 297 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: are multiple districts within the city of Boston, um, and 298 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: actually their proposal incorporated that so that each district had 299 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: its own set of boxes. And in fact, as we'll 300 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: talk about the way that boxes were encoded, it would 301 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: tell the operator first which district was being affected, and 302 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: then tell the operator which box was the one that 303 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: had been activated. So they send this proposal to the 304 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Boston City Government in eighteen fifty one, and the government 305 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: approves it and work begins on the system on September seven, 306 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: eight fifty one. Originally, depending upon whom you ask, because 307 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: there are discrepancies, Uh, this system had three box circuits, 308 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: three bell circuits, forty alarm boxes some into Yeah, it 309 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: all depends. Like there's one source that was very definitively 310 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: saying no, there were forty one boxes, and another one 311 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: that says no, there were thirty nine. I'm going with 312 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: forty forty ish boxes uh sixteen to nineteen alarm bills. 313 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: And the one central office, yes, one central office which 314 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: was this was the office through which all communication would pass. 315 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: So the idea being that when someone would would activate 316 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: one of these alarm boxes, the message would come to 317 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: this central office that the operator the central office could 318 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: then pass communication to the nearest fire stations. Originally it 319 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: was not recorded on paper, um, the way that we 320 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: were talking about earlier. Originally there it was just manned 321 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. Right. Channing had said that 322 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: a paper recording would be valuable because, for one thing, 323 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: it would help keep track of all the different times 324 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: that the alarm was signaled, because even in the early days, 325 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: there was worry that prankish people something would be missed, 326 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: or that you know, um, eventually there would be finger 327 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: pointing that would happen due to some terrible something or another, 328 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: or someone just ends up having a hankering for triggering 329 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: alarms when there are no fires at all. It was 330 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: an idea of this way we keep a record of it. 331 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: It becomes more of an official thing it uh, you know, 332 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: that'll cut down on misuse of the system. Was really 333 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: that was the main focus, but also just to keep 334 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: an eye on different parts of the city, saying, well, 335 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: this one part of the city gets uh, there are 336 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: more alarmed trip there than anywhere else. That would bring 337 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: were and Boston would have the first the first paper 338 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: recorder system for one of these telegraph fire alarms. But 339 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: but that was a few years. Yeah, but that was 340 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: that was what Channing had hoped to do at the 341 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: very beginning, but it would be a few years before 342 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: that happens. So what happens is that the the operator 343 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: sees it, they send out the alert to the to 344 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: the uh the respective fire stations, there might be more 345 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: than one, to say this alarm box was triggered, you 346 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: need to go there, and then the firefighters would there. 347 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: There's be someone at the fire fire station who would 348 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: be manning the receiving station to get that message, who 349 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: would then pull the bell to to alert the firefighters. 350 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: Let's go and give them the message of this is 351 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: where you need to go. This is the alarm box 352 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: that was triggered. Go to that location and and fight 353 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: the fire. So, uh, it was an ingenious system. He 354 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: had proposed that the power would come from two sources 355 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: outside the facility, so that if one source failed, the 356 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: other one would continue. And later they were able to 357 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: have a gasoline power generator as well, so that way, 358 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: even if the entire city lost power, the system would 359 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: still remain viable. So telephone lines go down, electric power 360 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: lines go down. This system, yeah, so it's still working. 361 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: That was and you know, it's one of the the 362 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: things that really said apart from a lot of other 363 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: systems that people were proposing at the time. So there 364 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: were about forty miles of wire in this original system. Actually, 365 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: depending upon the source, it gets up to about forty 366 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: eight miles. It was technically twenty four miles. But they 367 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: made redundant circuits. So that was another really brilliant thing 368 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: about the system. Exactly. Yeah, the redundancy is so important 369 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: because you're talking about fire. I mean, this is a 370 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: dangerous and destructive force and above ground cables, yeah, exactly. 371 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: And Boston has been known from time to time to 372 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: have snow and ice storms very occasionally, so it gets 373 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: wicked cold in Boston and so sometimes these these lines 374 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: can break and so by creating redundancy, it made the 375 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: made the system more robust. Uh. So there are two 376 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: sets of these lines forty miles or so forty eight 377 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: miles of wire, and the actual call boxes or alarm 378 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: boxes were locked. They had a lock on them. They 379 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: were painted black at first. Right until about the eighteen seventies, 380 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: only trusted people in the area were given keys and um, 381 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: and there were instructions on the little key pop. I've 382 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: seen a couple of museum museum pieces and uh. When 383 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: eventually the system got too big to handle and they 384 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: realized they were doing everyone a disservice by keeping these 385 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: locked and making someone who wanted to report a fire 386 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: go find one of these people who held a key. Right. 387 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: Like you know, say someone is on vacation out of town. 388 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: That makes it a little more difficult. Well, when they 389 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: get back, we can tell them that their house burned down. Um. Yeah, 390 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: so this it was locked away. But if you were 391 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: to unlock the system, open up the door. Uh, inside 392 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: wasn't interesting pairing. There was a hand crank and there 393 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: was a telegraph key. Now, the hand crank was what 394 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: the the person was expected to use. The person, the 395 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: person who had been entrusted with the key, and by 396 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: turning the crank it would be the same effect as 397 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: if you were sending a telegraph from a sending station 398 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: to a receiving station. The crank would turn a wheel, 399 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: and the wheel would have on it essentially contacts. It 400 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: would it would push a little spring powered UH circuit 401 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: closed and complete the circuit to the central station. So 402 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: turning the crank turns the wheel. The wheel turns around 403 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: and around, and that creates this pattern of dots and 404 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: dashes that's unique to that particular box. Each box has 405 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: its own patterns. That way, when the operator receives it, 406 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: they can this is box forty one, which happens to 407 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: be on the street of such and such and such 408 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: and such, and so the first bit of the wheel 409 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: would actually have the UH the the district number, so 410 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: that they know generally what part of Boston it was in, 411 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: and then the next part would actually have the boxes identity, 412 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: and the wheel, by the way was or the crank 413 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: was waited so that when you were done turning it, 414 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: it would move into its rest position, so that would 415 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: be ready to give the exact right information as soon 416 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: as you started turning it again. Instructions were, by the way, 417 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: to to only do this once, because if you kept 418 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: repeating the signal, it would clog, it could interfere with itself. Exactly. 419 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: If you were to continue this, it could end up 420 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: causing confusion. You wouldn't necessarily know where the beginning and 421 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: end of the message was. That could cost you valuable minutes, 422 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: which is a huge thing when you're talking about fighting 423 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: a fire that could go out of control, particularly in 424 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: a city again that has these problems of this really 425 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: dense population and flammable building materials. So the idea was 426 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: that the through batteries and this backup generator and the 427 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: incoming power, that the system would always be available. And 428 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: assuming that at least one of the two the two circuits, Yeah, 429 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: you're you're in good ship, You're now. This is really 430 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of an ingenious way of making this possible for 431 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: even someone who has no idea how telegraphs work. All 432 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: they have to do is turn a crank once that's it. Well, 433 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: they have to unlock the box first, obviously. Now, if 434 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: you've got someone there at the station or at the 435 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: alarm box, someone who generally speaking is with the firefighters, 436 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: who has trained in the telegraph system. They could use 437 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: the actual key, the telegraph key that was also inside 438 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: the box to send specific messages back to the operators. 439 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: So let's say that the fire itself is around the 440 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: corner from where the alarm box is, that might be 441 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: valuable information for more incoming engine saying now there's you 442 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: need to come up through blah blah blah street in 443 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: order to get to where the fire is. That kind 444 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: of thing. So I could give more information, but that 445 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: was generally meant for people who are part of this 446 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: whole system, not not the average citizen. Yeah, they also 447 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: did eventually, although they never managed to sink up all 448 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: of the church bells in the city. Um. They didn't 449 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: stalled alarm bells in the boxes that would um. Once 450 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: once the operator had sent out a signal to the 451 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: relevant fire stations, some of some of the boxes alarms 452 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: would sound, letting anyone else who was nearby in the 453 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: area know that there's this call box down here has 454 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: reported a fire, right and and the way that would 455 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: work is exactly the same way really as the telegraph machine. 456 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: You had an electromagnetic coil in there that would pull 457 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: back a lever that was on a spring, so the 458 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: spring would create tension, and once the electromagnetics signal went away, 459 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: once the electricity went out, it would release that and 460 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: it would strike the lever would strike a bell, and 461 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: it would do this multiple times, and you know, several 462 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: times a second. So you would get that did into things, Yeah, 463 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: you would. It was codd. For example, with with box 464 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: forty one, it would be a bell strike four times, 465 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: a slight pause, and a bell strike one. Wow. I 466 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: did not know that. I didn't come across that. That's 467 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: kind of cool. So when you get up in to 468 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: the thousands, you gotta count a lot because, by the way, 469 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: when when it first started, obviously we're talking, you know, 470 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: about forty or forty ish boxes, but eventually there would 471 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: be more than two thousand of these installed throughout Boston, 472 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: some of them in public and private buildings, some of 473 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: them months on actual streets. Uh. And of course the 474 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: mechanism would change, as far as the interface would change. 475 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: We'll get into that that interface would change, but the 476 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: basic principle of what we're talking about here has remained 477 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: largely unchanged when they started building it. Yeah, two, that's fair. 478 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: Fifty two was just when it was complete, limented Yeah, 479 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: and even even when I say completed, there were still 480 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: lots of bugs to work out, So wouldn't be until 481 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: probably the mid eighteen fifties that the system was what 482 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: you would call robust. Early times they were like, oh, 483 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: we just found out something else that we did not 484 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: anticipate when we first started building this thing. Yeah, two 485 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: was the official installation date. April. So, um, when did 486 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: the first alarm come in? Not even a full day 487 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: old and the alarm comes in. There's actually another story 488 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: that will get to later on that's very similar to this. Yeah, 489 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: April eighteen fifty two. The system is up, the systems 490 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: in place, they can identify what boxes is sounding the alarm, 491 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: and it did not take but a day's five PM, 492 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 1: as it turns out, because people would take note of 493 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: when the alarms came in. The first alarm was received 494 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: over the system and uh. Actually Moses Farmer would become 495 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: the superintendent of the fire alarm system and uh it 496 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: was shown to be effective, although again they had to 497 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: tweak it multiple times over the next few years. Meanwhile, 498 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: around eighteen fifty five, that's when a man named John 499 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: Nelson Gamewell, who was a postmaster and telegraph company agent 500 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: from South Carolina attended a lecture that Dr Channing held 501 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: about the telegraph system, and that same year, just a 502 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: little bit later, a game Well ended up purchasing the 503 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: regional rights for marketing the system in the Southern United States, 504 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: South and the West, I believe. Yeah, yeah, there was 505 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: a well the Southern United States and the western territories. 506 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: We don't really talk about them in the eighteen fifties. 507 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, so that you might be noticing eighteen fifties, 508 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: if you know your United States history, something major is 509 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: about to happen. Uh, And that actually shakes things up 510 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: a bit. But in eighteen fifties seven, Channing and Farmer 511 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: are issued a patent, and that patent is for the 512 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: invention that they called improvement in electric magnetic fire alarm 513 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: Telegraphs for cities. That's specific. Um. And it was interesting 514 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: I read this patent, this patent they actually filed for 515 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: it in eighteen fifty five and they got the patent issued. Um. 516 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know the I explained the system 517 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: they used where they went with what was essentially an 518 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: open circuit that would close as these wheels would turn right. Uh. 519 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: They had also allowed for a version where it would 520 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: be a closed circuit. So in other words, electricity is 521 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: always flowing through the circuit, but when you turn the wheel, 522 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: the wheel interrupts that electricity and it creates the same 523 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: sort of code. It just does it using an open 524 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, open interruptions as opposed to closed signals. So 525 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: it was they were saying, you know, you could do 526 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: this either way. Yeah, it doesn't doesn't matter which one 527 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: you choose. It's going to work. You just have to 528 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: be consistent. That's the only important part is being consistent. 529 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: And the redundancy they stressed that as well. But the 530 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: and the patent is, by the way, it's available to 531 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: read if you go I use Google Patent search, it 532 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: actually goes back further than a lot of the other Yeah. 533 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: And if you just put in improvement and electric magnetic 534 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: fire alarm telegraphs for cities and will pop right up. 535 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: It's a it's a fun read. I mean, you know, 536 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: as pa, let's go. It's it's actually I would argue 537 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: it's easier to understand than a lot of modern patents. 538 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: A lot of modern patents fall into this, uh, this 539 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: habit of using uh yeah, well they're using language that 540 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: is specifically has been specifically evolved for patents, and it 541 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: gets you know, those who was it. It's it's something 542 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: in the art. It's like those who are knowledgeable in 543 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: the art will see that blah blah blah blah blah. 544 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: You start reading it and you're thinking, this sounds like 545 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: this sounds like this patent could easily be one quarter 546 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: of the length if they dropped all those kind of 547 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: kind of pretension. Yeah. Yeah, and this one pre dates 548 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: a lot of that, so it's pretty straightforward. I think 549 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: the patent issued was in the seventeen thousands at that point, 550 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: so it's pretty early in the patent system. So eighteen 551 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: fifty nine, a couple of things happened. First of all, 552 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: Moses Farmer continues to innovate in different areas. He he 553 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: was really one of those, yeah, one of those engineer 554 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: years back when things were just starting to really take off, 555 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: like uh, like lights, lightbulbs. He invented yep, he invented 556 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: an incandescent electric lamp. Um. He didn't invent the light 557 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: bulb or anything. Of course Edison didn't either, but uh, 558 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: he he invented a type of lamp that was one 559 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: of the earlier incandescent electric lamps, and the same year 560 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: game Well purchased the patents, or he purchased everything from 561 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: Channing and Farmer for the for the telegraph system. Yep. 562 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: He wanted to start installing this in cities everywhere he went. 563 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: He saw the value in it, and he purchased the 564 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: entire essentially the entire intellectual property, if you will, of 565 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: how this was done. And Channing and Farmer essentially stepped 566 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: back at this point they had invented it, and now 567 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: they no longer play a direct role. So here's game 568 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: Well eighteen fifty nine. He's bought all this stuff. He's 569 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: ready to go. It's time to become an industrialist. Win. 570 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: The Civil War breaks out, game wells from South Carolina. 571 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: He goes back to South Carolina. At the conclusion of 572 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: the Civil War, the United States government decided to do 573 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: something somewhat controversial for those in the Southern States. They 574 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: seized a lot of patents that were held by Yep, yep, yep. 575 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: It turned out they sold them at public auction. Yeah, 576 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: so these are our property, will sell them an auction now, 577 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: So Gamewell loses his patents. Uh. In eighteen sixty seven, 578 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: John F. Kennard goes to Washington, d C. To go 579 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: to one of these auctions. He had planned on purchasing 580 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: the patents that Gamewell had owned, and he had originally 581 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: planned on spending about twenty grand on it. And I 582 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: believe that this was a former employee or a current employee. 583 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: He was he was affiliated, he was affiliated with Game Well. Uh, 584 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: he was ready to pay twenty grand for these patents, 585 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: ended up paying slightly short of ninety bucks for all 586 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: of them, and he gave them. He gave them back 587 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: to games Ago boss, and Gamewell said, I see this 588 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: as the beginning of a beautiful friendship. And they went 589 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: into business together. So they together they created the Game 590 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: Well uh Telegraph Company, the Fire Alarm Telegraph Company, and 591 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: uh so they go into business and start to really 592 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: push this right. Um. Meanwhile, I do want to say, um, 593 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: telegraphy was was big around eighteen sixty one. You got 594 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: the first transcontinental telegraph line out to California, which beat 595 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: the Transcontinental rail Road by eight years. F y. I, um, 596 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, we had a first laying cables easier than 597 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: laying railway ties. As it turns out it is that's true. 598 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: But you know we We We also had the first transatlantic 599 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: cable three years before a transcontinental UM. It failed two 600 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: years after it was installed. But that's beside the point, 601 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: beside the point entirely, um and uh. In those early 602 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, a few other cities were starting to install 603 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: these telegraph fire alarm systems, you know, usually through citizen 604 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: petitions to the government, going like, they have this cool 605 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: thing that lets them not die in fires. We want that. Yeah, 606 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 1: can we not die in fires? Please? Became a common 607 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: plea Americ in the fifties and sixties. Um. You know, 608 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: one of those things that's not spelled out in the Constitution, 609 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: but you know, you just figure that goes into the 610 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: whole life and liberty thing. Um. In eighteen sixty four, 611 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: hooked systems were introduced in alarm boxes, and this was 612 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: an alternate to that hand crank, right, so you simply 613 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: pull a hook to generate the correct exactly. Yeah. This 614 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: was this was the ones the Boston system went from, 615 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: well a few alarm boxes in s four went from 616 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: these hand cranks to the hook system. It was decided 617 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: that this was simplified it and it created less of 618 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: a chance of failure because once the hook went back 619 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: into place, the wheel was ready to go. It reduced 620 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: the odds that someone was going to make the wheel 621 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: rotate more than once for one thing, because you just 622 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: had to pull the hook ones. I think kind of 623 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: similar to the to the concept between push button and 624 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: rotary telephones, like it was just less things to screw up, right, Yeah, 625 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: the few the more idiot proof you make it, the better. 626 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: By eighteen sixty eight, all of the single boxes in 627 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: Boston had been replaced with that type of of of 628 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: alarm system and uh. In eighteen sixty six, Moses Farmer 629 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: continued his innovative work. He patented a self exciting dynamo. 630 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to go into any more detail about that. 631 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: I just want you to try and imagine what a 632 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: self exciting dynamo is. If you have an idea of 633 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: what a self exciting dynamo is, and funny ideas are 634 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: better than not funny ideas, you should let us know 635 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: tech stuff at discovery dot com because I want to 636 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: see it, and if you use that email address, we 637 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: both get to see it. All right, But we've got 638 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about with this fire system, 639 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: as well as an actual fire that broke out shortly, 640 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: just just two decades after the system was in place, 641 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: and what happened at that time. But before we get 642 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: into that, let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor. Alright, 643 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: we're back and you were going to bring us up 644 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: to date with what eighteen sixteen nine, all right, right, 645 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: or around this time, there were about a hundred and 646 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: twelve alarm boxes and service in Boston. UM systems were 647 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: in place in thirty eight cities across the US, and 648 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: according to game Well, these systems cost um two thousand, 649 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars to ten thousand dollars to set up, 650 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: which in the day was was like forty five to 651 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars and in two 652 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: day's But but just that that's a whole system, that's 653 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: that's an entire system. So when you think about it, 654 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: that's incredibly cheap compared to the devastation of a fire 655 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: of ranger fire, right, you know, it was also right 656 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: and this is this is why they were starting to 657 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: become Over the next couple of decades, they would be 658 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: rolling out in enormous numbers, right, so, partially because okay, 659 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: so um so eighteen seventy two. Uh, this is what 660 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: was known as the Great Boston Fire. It was not 661 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: a pleasant experience. So eighteen seventy two, a fire begins 662 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: in the basement of a five story warehouse. We're still 663 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: not sure what caused it. It was on Kingston and 664 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: as Summer Streets yep November nine two. It might have 665 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: been caused by a coal spark from a steam boiler. So, 666 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: in other words, this is a boiler that you put 667 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: water in it, you create a fire from coal. The 668 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: fire heats up the water, which converts it to steam 669 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: that then can be used to heat a building or 670 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: do other work. So there's some suspicion that perhaps a 671 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 1: spark from this coal fire is what started it all off. 672 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: At any rate, a fire started and the building was 673 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: what we would call crazy flammable or even inflammable because 674 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: they mean the same thing completely engulfed pretty shortly. Um. 675 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: This this this occurred around seven pm and at seven 676 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: the first fire alarm was triggered, right, and it was 677 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: triggered at Summer in Lincoln Streets at box number fifty two. 678 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: And from what I understand, citizens kind of took their time, 679 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: uh triggering the alarm because people just assume someone else 680 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: had already done it. This, I think falls under that 681 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: category that a lot of us fall victim to the 682 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: idea that someone smarter than us has taken care of 683 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: the problem, that that holds someone else's problem kind of, 684 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: or just that I would do something, but I'm sure 685 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: someone else has already done it. Not. No, it's not 686 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: so much apathy as it is uh absolute uh surety 687 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: that you are not the most competent person in the area. 688 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: I have been victim of this um as I'm sure 689 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: most people have. But at any rate, additional alarms were 690 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: struck at seven four and seven and eight pm, which 691 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: means this was a five alarm fire, which is where 692 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: that phrase comes from. Yes, uh, and you know, with 693 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: the idea being that the more boxes are involved in 694 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: calling out the alarm, the bigger a fire is exactly, 695 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: So there you go. If you've ever heard of five 696 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: alarm fire and wondered where it came from, essentially comes 697 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: from the This is the idea of multiple alarms triggered 698 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: for a single fire. This one was a doozy. There 699 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: were other boxes, of course, that were involved, Box forty 700 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: eight and Box one three, which for some reason we're 701 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,959 Speaker 1: near box fifty two. The numbering system in Boston, I'm sure, 702 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: was mostly based on chronology, meaning that if you had 703 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: started off with forty or forty one boxes, and then 704 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: you add in one part of the city versus another, 705 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: it makes about as much sense as the house numbering 706 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: system in certain parts of Atlanta, where you think, oh, 707 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: well thirty will be Wait now I'm in the what happened? 708 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: Now it's going backwards. What happened? All these streets are 709 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: named peach trees. That also does not help. Uh So, anyway, 710 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: at least three boxes, probably more, we're involved in signaling 711 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: alarms to the central operator. And so pretty soon by 712 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: every single fire station in Boston had been alerted to 713 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: this fire and to where the where it was coming from. 714 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 1: Um help came in for them from all around Boston, 715 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: as as far away as a New Haven, Connecticut, and Manchester, Manchester, 716 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Yeah, it's kind of crazy how far away 717 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: they were. There were firefighters who were putting equipment on railroads, 718 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: on railroads, on trains which were in turn on railroads, 719 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: and shipping them down to Boston in response to this fire. 720 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: Because you know, when you're talking about a fire of 721 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: this magnitude, and you're talking about the technology of eighteen 722 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: seventy two. It's not like they're going to necessarily be 723 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,720 Speaker 1: able to get under control in a matter of hours. 724 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: The Great Fire of London which happened back in sixteen 725 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: sixty six, that took three days to get to put out, 726 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: So you know that these fires could last a really 727 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: long time. Now, despite this amazing fire alert system, there 728 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: were still huge problems in fighting this fire, which had 729 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: nothing that. The problems had nothing to do with the system. 730 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: The system worked just as it was intended to the 731 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: alarm system, right. Um, the hoses, the fire hoses that time. 732 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: Unfortunately we're not standardized. So with the hydrants, Yeah, the 733 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: fire hydrants weren't standardized. Neither with the hoses, which meant 734 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: that some hoses would not fit some hydrants. That's a problem. Yes, 735 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: let's see that there was a there was a terrible 736 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: outbreak of equal distemper a a strangles horse horse flu, 737 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: which is a bacterial infection caused by by a strain 738 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: of strap. So this is an extremely virulent, fast acting 739 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: virus that is frequently fatal, I believe. Yeah, And and 740 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: even if it didn't kill a horse. The horse was 741 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: essentially out of commission. Now this again and had to 742 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: be quarantined. So this is before automotives. This is when 743 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: you know, you your fire engines were horse drawn, So 744 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,479 Speaker 1: now there aren't any horses at this time. That means 745 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: that they had to be man and drawn. Yeah. Yeah, 746 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: you'd hook up a team of men to your fire 747 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: engine and have them tug it to wherever it was 748 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: that needed to go. So you had hydrants and hoses 749 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: that didn't necessarily fit each other. There was also a 750 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: water pressure problem in that particular district. This was in 751 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: a commercial district of Boston, so lots of warehouses and factories. 752 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: Not very many homes in this part of Boston, but 753 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: lots of commercial buildings. And in fact, the fire chief 754 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: of Boston had been telling the city for a couple 755 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: of years that they really needed to address the problem 756 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: of water pressure, but no one had really taken any 757 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: efforts to do it, mostly because you know, at the time, 758 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,760 Speaker 1: the accusations are all about how everything was very political 759 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: and they didn't want to take attention away from more 760 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: political matters to deal with this very practical problem. However, 761 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: because the water pressure was low, it wasn't sufficient to 762 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: get water to the higher levels of some of these warehouses. 763 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: And because we're talking about warehouses that were some were 764 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: four or five stories tall, they were taller than most 765 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: fire ladders were. So firefighters couldn't get to where the 766 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: flames actually were, either with water or with ladders, and 767 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: it was really a problem. It meant that the fire 768 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: just continued to spread. So that led some people to 769 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: come up with a brilliant plan of a way of 770 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: of of destroying the links between buildings so the fire 771 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: could no longer spread further outward that was blowing them up. 772 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: Yet they blowed them up real good with gunpowder. Now again, 773 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: the fire chief initially was very much against this because frankly, 774 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: a lot of the people who wanted to use this 775 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: were not trained in the use of gunpowder. And as 776 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: it turns out, if you are not trained in explosives, 777 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: you have a very strong possibility of blowing yourself up 778 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: along with whatever it is you're planning to destroy. And 779 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: in fact that there were many injuries reported as a 780 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: as a result of some of the explosions. But it 781 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,240 Speaker 1: was an attempt to create what are called fire breaks. 782 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: These are those those breaks between buildings so that the 783 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: fire can cannot jump from one building to the next. 784 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: Depending upon the report you read, this was fairly successful 785 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: and it helped keep the fire under control. Other reports 786 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: say that it didn't you know that that it didn't 787 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: have a really noticeable effect on actually fighting the fire, 788 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: but it certainly made it more complicated. The fire chief 789 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: was overruled by the city government that said, you know, 790 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: it's fine for them to use this. He was not 791 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: entirely happy. The fire chief, by the way, his name 792 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: is was John Damrell. He was pretty much a hero 793 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: during this whole process. He was coordinating everything. However, because 794 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: the devastation was so vast. There were seven seventy six 795 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,399 Speaker 1: buildings destroyed around that number anyway again that I see 796 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: seven hundred depending upon the report, uh and and around 797 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: seventy three million dollars and damages at that time. Although 798 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: um only and I mean, I mean, you know, any 799 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: any deaths are tragic, but they're only Thirteen people died 800 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: in the fire, um, including two members of the Boston 801 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: Fire Department. Ye. Most of the buildings were in the 802 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,360 Speaker 1: commercial district, like we said, so they weren't residents, and 803 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: so if it had been in a residential area, obviously 804 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,040 Speaker 1: those numbers would be different. So that considering the of 805 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: a staying nature of this fire, that was that was 806 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: It's hard to call it a silver lining, but it 807 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: could have been worked. So Fire Chief John Damrell had 808 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: warned the city he had tried to work against some 809 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,760 Speaker 1: of the plans of using gunpowder. He coordinated the efforts. 810 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,720 Speaker 1: How was he rewarded well? He went on to organize 811 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: the National Association of Fire Chiefs. But eighteen seventy two 812 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: was when the fire broke out, and by eighteen seventy 813 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: four he had been replaced as fire chief of Boston. Congratulations, 814 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 1: fire chief, are doing a great job and telling us 815 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: all the things that we needed to hear because it 816 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 1: wasn't political. We're gonna put all the blame on you 817 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: for the fact that this fire was bigger than what 818 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: it should have been. Instead of crediting you, we're gonna 819 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 1: put the blame on you and you lose your job. 820 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: He would actually go on to become the building inspector 821 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: for Boston. Like instead of becoming better, he actually took 822 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: on a different role and made sure that building codes 823 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: and fire codes were enforceable by law. Right right. He 824 00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: he went at the system in a different way and said, 825 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,439 Speaker 1: if you're not going to listen to me this way, 826 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: then I can do it this way. I can at 827 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: least make this enforceable to make sure this doesn't happen again. 828 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: So because of the work he did and the work 829 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: of other people who who followed him, they the building 830 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,800 Speaker 1: codes for Boston changed, the materials used in construction, changed 831 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,319 Speaker 1: the the actual uh the way things were constructed so 832 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: that they weren't built necessarily so close together. That changed 833 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: another interesting point early on with this whole fire system. 834 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: Perhaps you could call it ironic that the the central 835 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,720 Speaker 1: system we had talked about, the central office where everything 836 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: came through, was actually originally housed in an extremely flammable building. 837 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: Isn't a building that was crammed up against other buildings 838 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: and could have easily caught on fire, but eventually was 839 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: moved to a different location and in fact is now 840 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: part of the Parks department. It's still operational. I mean, 841 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: this is still a working fire safety department, and it 842 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: it be cause it's in the parks. That means no 843 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: one else can build there. So it's the closest building 844 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: is two fifty feet away from this and that is 845 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: regulated in in the laws forever. Yea, So there's not 846 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: it's made out of flame retardet material and it's not 847 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: close to any other buildings. So now at least the 848 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: fire alert system on fire, which would be you know interesting, 849 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: like to get an alert like be a be a 850 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,399 Speaker 1: firefighter and you get an alert there's a fire? Where 851 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,359 Speaker 1: is it in the fire station? That bites Let's go 852 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: all right, so now we get back over to some 853 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 1: more development developments in this system. Now remember, yeah, the tech, 854 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,280 Speaker 1: the basic principles remain the same, but the interface changes. 855 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: And another change happened in one UH that was the 856 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: first key less alarm box, where people said, you know, 857 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: maybe something that could help make alarm boxes more effective, 858 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: as if we didn't have to worry about where the 859 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,399 Speaker 1: key is when we need to signal the alarm. Now, 860 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,959 Speaker 1: of course, this does obviously open up the possibility for 861 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: pranks or mistaken UH calls. There might be and you know, 862 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 1: the occasional alarm where someone legitimately thought something was on 863 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 1: fire and it turns out it's not. So it's not 864 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: like I don't want to suggest that only hooligans were 865 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: going around pulling fire alarms, but also they changed the 866 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,359 Speaker 1: actual handle. They went to the T handle approach, which 867 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,799 Speaker 1: shaped like the letter T, which is why it's called that. 868 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: So you've probably seen ones like this. It's a little 869 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: lever and you pull it down and that's what activates it. 870 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: But otherwise it did the exact same thing as the 871 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: previous generations. Um. The first one that had this kind 872 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: of UH alarm system was box number forty two, which 873 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: is at the intersection of Tremont and Winter Streets. And 874 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,320 Speaker 1: by the way, when I started mispronouncing Boston streets, uh, 875 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure that both of us have been doing a 876 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,280 Speaker 1: whole lot of that. I've only been to Boston once, 877 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 1: and I did not go to that many streets. I 878 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: went to an aquarium in the Science Museum, both of 879 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: which were lovely. On May two of eight eight one, 880 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: the city government ordered that all fire alarm boxes were 881 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: to be painted red instead of black, which probably made 882 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: it a lot easier to find them at night in 883 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: the dark. Yeah, when you're when you're told at night 884 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: that the nearest alarm boxes a block away and it's 885 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: it's painted black, you might start to consider certain phrases 886 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,720 Speaker 1: in your mind to describe the decision to paint said 887 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 1: boxes black in the first place. They would later be 888 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: painted green and are now back to red again as 889 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 1: of this current date. Oh, I didn't even know they 890 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: had changed to green. Yeah, that's why I don't think 891 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,799 Speaker 1: it was for another another while. UM And and at 892 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: this point in time, systems, these UM, these game Well 893 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,839 Speaker 1: systems were in place in a hundred and three cities. UH. 894 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: In eight two, they decided to install another new technology 895 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: as part of the central office. This one called the telemophone. 896 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: Yes ahoihoi so telephone was ordered to be installed at 897 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: the central Office in the fire alarm headquarters, which was 898 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: different than the central office and most firehouses or fire stations. 899 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,760 Speaker 1: But it would take about three years before they actually 900 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,319 Speaker 1: managed to outfit all of the system with these new 901 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: fangled telephones. UM. During during that decade from from about 902 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,360 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty eight, that the number of telegraph fire alarm 903 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,240 Speaker 1: systems jumped from about a hundred to about seven hundred 904 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 1: and fifty across the country. About five of those game well, 905 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, about five hundred of those game well and 906 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,719 Speaker 1: in another two hundred something something something. UM rival companies 907 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,239 Speaker 1: that were starting to open up clearly game. Well was 908 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: ahead of the game. One might say, well ahead of 909 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 1: the game. Goodness, Lauren wouldn't, but I would. I would 910 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: not at all. That's when the first underground fire alarm 911 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,120 Speaker 1: cable was installed. Now, all previous cables, of course, were 912 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: strung out over head. They were you know, across rooftops. 913 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,279 Speaker 1: They had their own glass insulators that held them. This 914 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,520 Speaker 1: one was a cable that would go under the ground. 915 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: The first box connected to the underground cable was box 916 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: number fifty four on Beach Street in eighteen nine, and 917 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,280 Speaker 1: a year later, several alarm boxes were equipped with red 918 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:24,240 Speaker 1: electric lamp indicators. So now you have the audible alarm 919 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: as well as the red light that could light up 920 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: when an alarm box was triggered. By seven, all of 921 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: the alarm boxes in Boston were equipped with keyless doors. 922 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 1: So that finally rolled out after you know, more than 923 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,280 Speaker 1: a decade, and then uh in nt uh the current 924 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: Fire Alarm Office of Boston opens. Now you remember we 925 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,959 Speaker 1: said that it moved from when we were talking about 926 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 1: it's in Kaway Park and um, it's it's got that 927 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: good cushi zone around it, yep, and it's uh. It 928 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: took all of two minutes when it officially opened before 929 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,760 Speaker 1: the first alarm came in. So eight a m. It opens, 930 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 1: eight oh two, they get their first alarm. Yeah, uh, 931 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,240 Speaker 1: and it was from box which was located at Westland Avenue. 932 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: Probably still is probably doubt that Boston has moved around 933 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: that much. I have not noticed it doing so. They 934 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: could have renamed the street that's sometimes um and it's 935 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,919 Speaker 1: and it's still as of Boston was still the only 936 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: city with a telegraph alarm system that made this paper record. Wow, 937 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 1: that is incredible because that paper record is important, definitely. 938 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,959 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a historical document all on its own. 939 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: And again, by looking at that record over lengths of time, 940 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: you could see if there were parts of the city 941 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 1: that perhaps needed to be looked at more closely because 942 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: of the frequency of fires that are breaking out. So 943 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting to me that that they were 944 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: the only ones really doing it at that point. It's 945 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 1: it's a vague possibility that that um game well exaggerated 946 00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: that figure for the purpose. I believe the document I 947 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,919 Speaker 1: read it in was a pamphlet had been that's fair. Well, 948 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, because I've got a huge 949 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: jump in time now from nine to three. Do you 950 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 1: have anything you want to fill in between those years? 951 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,240 Speaker 1: I do not. It was it was a boring time 952 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: for alarm telegraph systems, right, I mean, we had a 953 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 1: couple of world wars and a depression in there. But 954 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,240 Speaker 1: other than that, and maybe you know, some occasional fires, 955 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: but beyond that, I I guess we should mention that 956 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: you know that this was when you know, during that time, 957 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: we went from the what seven and fifty something to 958 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,760 Speaker 1: over two boxes box systems across the country. And also 959 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,239 Speaker 1: by by the time you get to three, there were 960 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,240 Speaker 1: a lot of cities that had installed the telegraph systems 961 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: that were now decommissioning them. But we'll talk more about 962 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,880 Speaker 1: that towards the end, because there's some interesting facts and 963 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,800 Speaker 1: figures about that. Okay, So nineteen eighty three, the Boston 964 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,759 Speaker 1: Fire Commissioner George Paul announced plans to phase out this 965 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: alarm system, which was over a century old almost it's 966 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: like a hund and thirty one years old at this point. Uh, 967 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,920 Speaker 1: he had he said that he wanted to phase it 968 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,480 Speaker 1: out over the following seven years, so it would have 969 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: concluded in nineteen Now, why would he want to get 970 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,919 Speaker 1: rid of a system that had been in working order 971 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,319 Speaker 1: for more than a century. Out of the working order 972 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,759 Speaker 1: was not hugely working. There were a lot of problems. Yeah. 973 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,800 Speaker 1: First of all, he said that there were that the 974 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 1: vast majority of alarms that were coming in through this 975 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: system were false alarms. Whether those were pranks or mistakes 976 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. He was saying that over of all 977 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: alarms received through the system were false and and that furthermore, 978 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,759 Speaker 1: each false alarm was costing U the city like seven 979 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Yeah, which meant that it costs the taxpayers 980 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,919 Speaker 1: seven hundred bucks per false alarm. And uh, and that's 981 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: because you figure out the cost of the firefighters, the 982 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 1: fuel needed for the fire engine, all the equipment, and 983 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 1: then just the time wasted. So that was kind of 984 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: a figure that he had he had cited in his 985 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,360 Speaker 1: decision to phase this out. And he said that only 986 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: two point four percent of all structural fires were reported 987 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 1: through the use of these boxes. So not only are 988 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,360 Speaker 1: most of the reports coming in false the ones that 989 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 1: are actual fires, the only two point four percent were 990 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,120 Speaker 1: coming in through boxes in the first place. Otherwise they 991 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: were getting them through other means, whether it was radio, telephone, whatever, 992 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 1: but they were getting their information in other ways. So 993 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,839 Speaker 1: he was saying that it's an obsolete system that is 994 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: giving us more false alarms than than active ones. We 995 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: should get rid of it now. Despite this, the system 996 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 1: stays in place. So even though he cites this plan 997 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 1: and he gives his reasons and they seem like pretty 998 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,440 Speaker 1: solid ones, nothing happens. I don't know the reason for that. 999 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a lot of resistance. 1000 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,800 Speaker 1: Bostonians can sometimes be considered a somewhat stubborn lot, perhaps 1001 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: some kind of a historical society lobby. Um. Boston is 1002 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: also a very very big city for for historical preservation. Yep, yep, um. 1003 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,800 Speaker 1: Maybe they're just full of beans. It is Beantown, face it, alright. 1004 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: So anyway, the system doesn't go anywhere. It stays in place. 1005 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: So Boston does something incredible. They update the system with 1006 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,200 Speaker 1: electronic decoding terminals, and at that time they are about 1007 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,720 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred or so far alarm boxes on streets and 1008 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: another one thousand in public and private buildings. There are 1009 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: more now, but or so total across the city. They 1010 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: maintain the fact that it is um independent of telephone 1011 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,160 Speaker 1: and grid electric lines, right, meaning that if the telephone 1012 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: system fails, if the electric system fails, this system will 1013 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 1: still work. That's actually one of, probably one of the 1014 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,760 Speaker 1: reasons why it stayed in place, because even though you 1015 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,000 Speaker 1: could argue that you are getting more false alarms than 1016 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,440 Speaker 1: real ones, and that you are getting most of your 1017 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,040 Speaker 1: information through other means, anyway, this was a rely a 1018 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: bowl method of reporting a fire that was completely independent 1019 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: of other systems, So even if other systems failed, you 1020 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 1: could still rely on this. I'm guessing that's one of 1021 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: the reasons why it remained active even after the fire 1022 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 1: commissioner had planned on phasing it out. Now UM around 1023 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,040 Speaker 1: around this time, ish, I I know definitely. As of 1024 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,280 Speaker 1: two thousand three, UM, game Well had been acquired by 1025 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 1: a company called Honeywell International UM and no longer makes 1026 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: new telegraph systems. However, they do still continue to support 1027 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,160 Speaker 1: the existing ones, right. Yeah, that warranty was serious business. 1028 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, way better than my TV. Yes. So, 1029 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 1: Honeywell now is the parent company, the owner of the 1030 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 1: game Well company. UM and in early this year, we're 1031 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,040 Speaker 1: recording this in for those of you in the future 1032 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,840 Speaker 1: who are listening back on this episode. Hi, where's my 1033 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,840 Speaker 1: jet pack? But in the Boston government actually opened up 1034 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 1: a forum of dialogue and said, Hey, Bostonians, how would 1035 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: you update our fire alarm system? What would you do 1036 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,920 Speaker 1: to bring it into the twenty first century? What capabilities 1037 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,760 Speaker 1: should it have, what what technology should it be built upon. 1038 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 1: So now we're talking about finally perhaps switching this from 1039 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,360 Speaker 1: the telegraph system it's been based on since eighteen fifty two. 1040 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: So we might actually see a new fire alarm system 1041 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 1: rolled out in Boston over the next few years that 1042 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,480 Speaker 1: will be similar perhaps to what is exists now, but 1043 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,760 Speaker 1: built on a completely different technology. I wouldn't be surprised 1044 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,680 Speaker 1: if it's still had its own independent power system so 1045 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 1: that it could maintain, because I think that's one of 1046 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,360 Speaker 1: the most important parts. Sure. Sure, and and a lot 1047 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,280 Speaker 1: of towns are taking down their their telegraph systems these 1048 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,440 Speaker 1: days in favor of radio signal alarm systems. UM. You know, 1049 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 1: And and like we said, those those benefits are really 1050 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,040 Speaker 1: just that, you know, if if there's an earthquake and 1051 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: it brings telephone and power down, or um, if there's 1052 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,120 Speaker 1: some kind of computer glitch that brings down a nine 1053 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 1: one one system. UM. Both of these things are things 1054 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,240 Speaker 1: that have happened and UH in earthquake in San Francisco 1055 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,040 Speaker 1: two thousand four glitch in the New York City UH system, 1056 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the boxes can still operate and can still get messages 1057 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 1: that will save lives and property. We've even seen, you know, 1058 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,960 Speaker 1: during big catastrophes or even just large events where cellular 1059 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 1: networks get completely overwhelmed with traffic and you can't get 1060 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,480 Speaker 1: a call in or out of them. This would still 1061 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,520 Speaker 1: be a system that would work under that, Because, I mean, 1062 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,919 Speaker 1: more and more people are moving away from landlines. But 1063 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,240 Speaker 1: just because you have a cellular phone doesn't mean that 1064 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,560 Speaker 1: you can always depend upon it. There are gonna be 1065 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,360 Speaker 1: times where systems are gonna get overwhelmed. So having an 1066 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: independent system that doesn't need to tie into any of 1067 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,960 Speaker 1: those things has a lot of appeal. Sure, the upkeep 1068 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,480 Speaker 1: on them is very expensive. Those Sacramento is hope and 1069 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,360 Speaker 1: hoping that dismantling its system is going to save the 1070 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,440 Speaker 1: city UM five thousand dollars per year UM. And upkeep 1071 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: so so cheap to install, expensive to maintain. I see 1072 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,000 Speaker 1: how they get you. You know that the wires are 1073 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,440 Speaker 1: susceptible to wear, and unlike other utility systems that a 1074 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,480 Speaker 1: city would buy into it's it's a unitasker. It's not 1075 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: it's not like this can be used for anything else. 1076 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,880 Speaker 1: Brown would hate it. Yes, thank you to Alton Brown 1077 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 1: for totally what I was thinking of. Yeah, there are 1078 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 1: a lot of cities that are turning those old boxes 1079 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,840 Speaker 1: into art. They make it into like an art exhibit. 1080 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 1: So you know, they're not getting rid of the infrastructure 1081 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 1: in the sense of like taking down the boxes. They're 1082 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,400 Speaker 1: letting it not be updated anymore. It's just becoming something 1083 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,960 Speaker 1: that's meant for. Yeah, speaking of historical I wanted in 1084 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 1: this kind of talking about the Boston Fire Museum. Uh. 1085 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 1: The website, by the way, was very helpful putting together 1086 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,440 Speaker 1: a lot of the information for this podcast, so I 1087 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,280 Speaker 1: recommend looking at But according to the website, the Austin 1088 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,240 Speaker 1: Fire Museum has some of the old equipment from the 1089 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,760 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty two system on display, including a box transmitter 1090 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: which was designed to re transmit information from alarm boxes 1091 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,360 Speaker 1: to fire stations, and it's tied into the tapper circuit 1092 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 1: of the Boston fire alarm system. But whenever anything goes off, 1093 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 1: it rings the bell. It rings the bell and types 1094 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 1: out the tape so you can actually see if you 1095 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,360 Speaker 1: can read the Morse code. You'll see which box number 1096 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,120 Speaker 1: triggered that alarm, so you if you are there when 1097 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,440 Speaker 1: the alarm is triggered, it'll go off and you'll be 1098 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 1: able to see it in action. I don't recommend that 1099 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,680 Speaker 1: you orchestrate this so that you can actually see it. Uh. 1100 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 1: I hope that if you do go to the museum 1101 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,920 Speaker 1: that it remains inactive, because that means there's not a 1102 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 1: fire hopefully, but but still kind of a cool thing. 1103 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of neat that it's tied. It's 1104 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 1: actively tied into the system. Now, nothing is dependent upon 1105 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,800 Speaker 1: this particular piece of technology. It's just it's just tapped into. Yeah, 1106 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,959 Speaker 1: for a certain amount of anything, like, wow, it still works, 1107 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 1: and you think that either means someone's being naughty or 1108 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 1: someone is on fire. I hope everyone's okay, exactly, So 1109 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,080 Speaker 1: it's that weird moment of wow. Oh but anyway, I 1110 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,560 Speaker 1: thought it was really cool. So anyway that I except 1111 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,960 Speaker 1: this discussion. I love this topic. 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