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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which has brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. Today's episode is all about summertime tree stand

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Speaker 2: prep and how often we sabotage ourselves by not doing

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Speaker 2: it correctly. You know those nagging thoughts you have that

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Speaker 2: keep you up at night when you just want to

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Speaker 2: slip into unconsciousness where you can, I don't know, dream

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Speaker 2: away about prepping for the zombie apocalypse or something cool

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Speaker 2: like that. Well, it was one of those dumb nagging

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Speaker 2: thoughts to spawn the idea for this podcast. And you

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Speaker 2: know also the fact that it's go time for summer

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Speaker 2: scouting and tree stand prep now. If you're not out

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Speaker 2: there getting something ready to go, you might miss your

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Speaker 2: window and you don't want that. You also don't want

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Speaker 2: to sabotage your future hunting self by not taking care

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Speaker 2: of business now, which is really kind of what this

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Speaker 2: episode is all about. About fifteen years ago, I was

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Speaker 2: out looking for a good way to access some new

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Speaker 2: public land by my house. The property had gone from

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Speaker 2: private ownership to county ownership, and it looked like a

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Speaker 2: good place to shoot some ducks and arrow a few deer.

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Speaker 2: It also bought it up to a few different roads,

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Speaker 2: so I started poking around. On one of the dead

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Speaker 2: end spots I found where I thought I could access

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Speaker 2: the property, I parked, hiked into it, and took a

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Speaker 2: good look around. And when I came back out, there

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Speaker 2: was a guy standing by my truck, which always sucks.

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Speaker 2: It turned out different than I expected. The guy was

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Speaker 2: a bowhunter who owned seventeen acres that bordered that chunk

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Speaker 2: of public land and just wanted to know what it

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Speaker 2: was like in there, because he hadn't gone in yet.

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Speaker 2: So we struck up a conversation and came to an

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Speaker 2: agreement that he'd let me park at his place and

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Speaker 2: updated out on the deer activity and maybe hunt with

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Speaker 2: him a little bit. So we became friends pretty quickly,

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Speaker 2: because at that time I didn't have kids, and I

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Speaker 2: a lot while he struggled with hunting in general, you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of just from a lack of experience. I quickly

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Speaker 2: found that he could fix anything and was always working

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Speaker 2: on something. You know, the kind of person I'm referring to.

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Speaker 2: He's always working on a classic car rebuild or something

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Speaker 2: on his house or whatever. He's not the kind of

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Speaker 2: guy to sit around drinking beers on his deck for

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Speaker 2: hours at a time. If you get my drift, well,

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Speaker 2: Scott sort of semi retired a few years ago. He

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Speaker 2: still works some, but he has more free time than

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Speaker 2: he used to. This means he has more time to

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Speaker 2: take on crazy projects. For example, a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: he called me and asked me if I could give

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Speaker 2: him a hand with something. Now. That's something was lifting

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Speaker 2: of parts and get it running. Now, if you're not

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Speaker 2: going to transport yourself back to prohibition days to run

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Speaker 2: why you'd need a functional player piano. But it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter what I think about it, though, because it wasn't

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Speaker 2: important parts of our bodies that allow us to stand

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Speaker 2: up straight. Seriously, the cheap plastic shit we fill our

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Speaker 2: on that stupid piano. The whole thing was made to last,

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Speaker 2: and with that durability comes a lot of weight. Five

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Speaker 2: deer hunting, or more specifically for this episode setting up

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Speaker 2: we often talk about going mobile, whether you know that's

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Speaker 2: with a saddle or a lightweight hang on, and guys

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Speaker 2: it will stay up until the season closes, which is

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Speaker 2: a strategy that a lot of hunters use. Now, the

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Speaker 2: emphasis we put on the mobile game and thinking through

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Speaker 2: that that style of hunting benefits greatly from the surprise aspect.

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Speaker 2: the number one reason to go that route. It's also

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Speaker 2: There's a stand that I hung over in northern Wisconsin

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Speaker 2: now I'm sure going to be a sappy nightmare. I

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Speaker 2: I know I need to do this, but I haven't yet,

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Speaker 2: and that bothers me. Everything about that stand is good

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Speaker 2: to go already, but that one detail. The trail into

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Speaker 2: it is cut and trimmed and tact and it's money.

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Speaker 2: The shooting lanes are cut and ready to go. The

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Speaker 2: whole thing is going to be so fun to sit

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Speaker 2: in November, but not unless I address this one stupid detail.

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Speaker 2: tree stand setups. In fact, this often unacknowledged reality is

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons that pop up blinds and box

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Speaker 2: blinds have become so popular in deer hunting. They're just

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Speaker 2: easier in general once they're set up. They just don't

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Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. Now, I know you can

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Speaker 2: different type of sit than being in a tree stand.

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Speaker 2: There's a little more at stake. So anyway, you probably

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Speaker 2: drove down to southwest Wisconsin to help set up some

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Speaker 2: for a few season long setups, so we set out

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Speaker 2: It was a huge pain in the ass, and we

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Speaker 2: which means you take a spot that should be really

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Speaker 2: is that it's best to spend some real time thinking

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Speaker 2: call it good. Well, we might also trim every possible

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Speaker 2: get spotted better. Yet, it's pretty common these days to

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Speaker 2: if it's a cell camera. Now I realize I'm making

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Speaker 2: a good case for not setting up season long stands now,

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Speaker 2: because after say, I don't know, a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: but they might be getting there. But they don't have to.

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Speaker 2: I think the first way to make a stand site

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Speaker 2: better is to position the stands so it isn't facing

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Speaker 2: where the deer are most likely to be. Being able

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Speaker 2: big benefit, it really is. I almost never set anything

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be hanging out there on their

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Speaker 2: side when I am most likely going to have to move.

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Speaker 2: see it all the time. I have one buddy who

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Speaker 2: the worst and hangers I've ever seen. Every one of

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Speaker 2: his stands is about ten feet off the ground and

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Speaker 2: road or pond or whatever he thinks the deer will use.

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Speaker 2: He also gets busted a lot. He's one of those

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Speaker 2: people who thinks deer have a sixth sense because they're

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Speaker 2: always seeing him. But the truth is, he just really

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Speaker 2: kind of stinks that setting up stands, and he isn't

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Speaker 2: hunting super unpressured deer. It's pretty simple. So what else

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Speaker 2: Whether you're a bow hunter, a gun hunter, or both.

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Speaker 2: That's it. I'm Tony Peterson. This has been the Wired

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