Speaker 1: Also media, Ah, I have slain the God of Abraham
Speaker 1: and cast his ruin upon.
Speaker 2: The mountain side, and now I am the Lord and
Speaker 2: Savior of all. Podcasting Robert Evans, This is it could
Speaker 2: happen here a podcast about things falling apart and about
Speaker 2: my slow descent into theistic narcissism. Here with me today,
Speaker 2: Garrison Davis and me along. How are you guys doing great?
Speaker 2: He wasn't like.
Speaker 3: This like fifteen minutes ago, that there's been a rapid
Speaker 3: radicalization process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking speaking of rapid radicalization.
Speaker 2: I downed a bottle of this alive ancient mushroom elixir
Speaker 2: and it is over empowered me.
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Speaker 2: But if they want to pay us, I will probably
Speaker 2: stop claiming to have slain the God of Abraham. This
Speaker 2: is This Week in Terrorism, a show title we've never
Speaker 2: used before and may never use again, but we wanted to.
Speaker 2: We're probably gonna have to use it again. None of
Speaker 2: the terrorism we're talking about has occurred this week. It
Speaker 2: all occurred in previous weeks. We were out last week.
Speaker 2: We wanted to talk about some of our recent terrorism attacks,
Speaker 2: to discuss kind of what we're seeing in radicalization of
Speaker 2: the people who are carrying out usually shootings, but not exclusively.
Speaker 2: We're actually going to start with a hammer attack. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what we're seeing out there because.
Speaker 4: Very British style. Actually, I think we're ending on a
Speaker 4: stabbing too, ending on a stabbing.
Speaker 2: Most of these are not shootings. I'm a liar. It's
Speaker 2: the mushroom juice. But yeah, we're going to start by
Speaker 2: talking about the attack on Paul Pelosi, who's, of course
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi's fuck buddy. Some people call him a husband.
Speaker 2: I think that's an archaic term, but yeah, he got
Speaker 2: assaulted in his house by this guy, Brian Depayup. This
Speaker 2: was like a year or so ago, and he just
Speaker 2: recently got convicted of a bunch of stuff. He's going
Speaker 2: to be going to forever prison. But we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about that attack essentially. I wanted to start with
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit of audio of the attack itself.
Speaker 2: This is from police body camera, and basically what happened
Speaker 2: is this guy Brian broke into the Pelosi's backyard, which
Speaker 2: was not guarded. Nancy was away from the house. She
Speaker 2: had their security detail. Capitol Police does not protect spouses
Speaker 2: and family members of Congress people, and he used a
Speaker 2: hammer in one of the two very large backs he
Speaker 2: brought with him to bust into the house and then
Speaker 2: had a conversation with Paul Pelosi that he insists, was
Speaker 2: very polite until the police showed up, at which point
Speaker 2: he started bashing him in the skull with a hammer.
Speaker 2: And we're going to get into more of what happened,
Speaker 2: but I wanted to I want to start by playing
Speaker 2: that audio. This is right at the point that the
Speaker 2: police opened the door.
Speaker 4: How you doing?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: That's the guy?
Speaker 4: What drop the hammer?
Speaker 5: What is har.
Speaker 2: And so what is actually happening in the video is
Speaker 2: this guy Brian, who is like he's got a big,
Speaker 2: very large hammer in his hands, and like there's a
Speaker 2: very mild struggle going on for it. Pelosi has one
Speaker 2: hand on the hammer, which is a reasonable thing to
Speaker 2: want to do in this situation, and the guy just
Speaker 2: looks kind of stunned, and the police show up and
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, man, drop the hammer, and he says no,
Speaker 2: and they, to be fair to the police, pretty reasonably
Speaker 2: take a step towards him, and he pulls the hammer
Speaker 2: away from Paul and hits him in the head several times.
Speaker 2: The police tackle him off. Paul got hit, hurt very badly.
Speaker 2: This is pretty ugly. Att He's an old man. He
Speaker 2: got hit in the head with a hammer several times
Speaker 2: by a much younger man. Pretty ugly. One of the
Speaker 2: things that becomes clear if you watch the earlier footage
Speaker 2: of this guy in their backyard, because they have a
Speaker 2: security camera, and if you watch this footage is that, like,
Speaker 2: this is not a guy who had a super clear
Speaker 2: plan about what he was going to do. This is
Speaker 2: a guy who was kind of flying by the seat
Speaker 2: of his pants, and when the police came in kind
Speaker 2: of irrationally like based on his existing plans, decided to
Speaker 2: swing at him. And when he was in court, like
Speaker 2: some of the things to Pape said were very interesting,
Speaker 2: he basically like, you know, he busts into their backyard.
Speaker 2: Paul Pelosi in his pajamas, confronts him when he hears it,
Speaker 2: and Depap asks, are you Paul Pelosi? Whar's Nancy? Wears
Speaker 2: Nancy and Pelosi's like, she's not home, She's going to
Speaker 2: be gone for several days, and de Pap started threatening
Speaker 2: to tie Pelosi up. He does this like ten times
Speaker 2: Eventually Paul's able to get away briefly to go to
Speaker 2: the bathroom. He has a cell phone and he calls
Speaker 2: the police, and like, while he's on the phone with
Speaker 2: a dispatcher, you can hear de Pap like telling him
Speaker 2: to hang up. You know. The police get there and
Speaker 2: he attacks him. The first thing that happens in the
Speaker 2: wake of this, This is obviously big news, and the
Speaker 2: entirety of right wing media basically decided that this was
Speaker 2: Paul Pelosi's lover.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I was under the impression from reparable sources
Speaker 4: that this was this was Paul's gay lover.
Speaker 2: Is ye I was told that. Immediately comes out. Marjorie
Speaker 2: Taylor Green spreads this. Tucker Carlson spreads this. Elon Musk
Speaker 2: spreads this. Representative Carla Tinni spreads this again because this
Speaker 2: is very clearly a right wing attack motivated by right
Speaker 2: wing media on an elected leader. Pretty brutal attack. Not
Speaker 2: an elected leader. Sorry, I'm the husband of an elected leader,
Speaker 2: right And I wanted to quote really quickly from an
Speaker 2: MSN write up on this that talks about like why
Speaker 2: Depap says he did this. Depap explained that he broke
Speaker 2: into the Pelosi home in order to lure University of
Speaker 2: Michigan anthropology and Women's study professor Gail Rubin to their house.
Speaker 2: Ruben's research, according to her professional bio, focuses on LGBTQ studies,
Speaker 2: gay and lesbian ethnography, sexual populations and geographies, sexology, and
Speaker 2: feminist theory. She is known for her nineteen eighty four
Speaker 2: sa Thinking Sex, which is considered a founding text of
Speaker 2: queer theory. Paul was never a target to pap said
Speaker 2: in court, explaining that he was only using the Pelosis
Speaker 2: to get to my other targets and that he felt
Speaker 2: really bad for Paul Pelosi. He explained that he spent
Speaker 2: six hours a day watching political commentary on YouTube before
Speaker 2: he was arrested, where he learned that everything was a
Speaker 2: lie coming from the press. He listened off common right
Speaker 2: wing grievances, according to NBC News, to explain why he
Speaker 2: broke into the home. He claims to have heard about
Speaker 2: Gail Rubin from anti LGBTQ activist James Lindsay, who is
Speaker 2: the same person who claims to have popularize the groomer's
Speaker 2: slur against LGBTQ people. To Pahaps said that he regularly
Speaker 2: listened to Lindsay's podcast. The takeaway I got is that
Speaker 2: she wants to do in our schools into pedophile molestation factories.
Speaker 2: To Pap said, so, one of the things that's really
Speaker 2: interesting to me is that this guy's in the home
Speaker 2: of one of the most powerful people in the entire country,
Speaker 2: who is worth one hundred million dollars or more so,
Speaker 2: also extremely wealthy person. But she's not his target. His
Speaker 2: target is this woman's studies professor, who James Lindsay has
Speaker 2: convinced him is trying to molest all of the kids
Speaker 2: in America. Right. This is again, this is entirely stochastic terrorism.
Speaker 2: This is the fault James Lindsay wanted stuff like this
Speaker 2: to happen. That's why he does what he does. This
Speaker 2: is on him, and it's a very clear example. This
Speaker 2: is if you go into this dude's backstory, he was
Speaker 2: not always like this. He used to be, I think
Speaker 2: a pro nudity activist, but like was not a guy
Speaker 2: who was like wildly conservative. And then the pandemic hits
Speaker 2: and he's spending all day playing video games alone, increasingly isolated,
Speaker 2: and he starts going down these YouTube and podcasts primarily
Speaker 2: listening to these right wing podcasters. Lindsay's one of them.
Speaker 2: He's also a huge Timpool listener. Who is this super
Speaker 2: right wing guy who believes that like we're already in
Speaker 2: a shooting civil war with the left, And yeah, these
Speaker 2: are all big groomer guys, These are all women's studies professors,
Speaker 2: are the most dangerous people in the country. And this
Speaker 2: is a vulnerable dude who the pandemic isolated from what
Speaker 2: social networks he had had, and he just kind of
Speaker 2: completely loses his shit. It's a very clear radicalization path,
Speaker 2: and it's a big bummer because this is a deeply
Speaker 2: mentally unwell man who was taken advantage of by a
Speaker 2: right wing media ecosystem that exists to churn exactly this
Speaker 2: kind of guy towards violence against their ideological opponents.
Speaker 4: Now, it is certainly interesting. This is this attack was
Speaker 4: more deeply weird than what we all initially thought, like, oh,
Speaker 4: like someone was trying to kill Pelosi, right is, Like.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised someone would try to do that. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's just I'm not like saying because fucker,
Speaker 2: I'm saying that, Like, I'm not surprised she's incredibly powerful.
Speaker 2: Of course people want a killer. Yeah, like the way
Speaker 2: it is, Yeah.
Speaker 4: We all saw what happened on January sixth, the come
Speaker 4: on guys.
Speaker 2: Yes, but like this is normal politics.
Speaker 4: Yes, but like the idea that you're like holding holding
Speaker 4: Pelosi is a hostage to get like a gender theory
Speaker 4: women's studies professor is just so much more like like
Speaker 4: highlighting the type of American brain rot that is just
Speaker 4: totally taking over large swaths of the media, of the
Speaker 4: media ecosystem at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think one of my favorite details from this is
Speaker 2: that if you go into like his court case, why
Speaker 2: he chose to attack the home of again Nancy Pelosi,
Speaker 2: super wealthy, powerful person with a security detail, is because
Speaker 2: he believed this Gail Rubin, this professor lived in a
Speaker 2: fortress that he could not break into. Yeah, this woman's
Speaker 2: studies professor lives in an undergrowned bunker.
Speaker 4: It was easier to get to the speaker of the
Speaker 4: house's home that it is a woman's studies for fessor's house.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting too that it was specifically James Lindsay,
Speaker 3: who I don't know.
Speaker 2: Have we talked about.
Speaker 4: Him really on the show. I'm I'm sure in passing.
Speaker 2: But we had a big Twitter fight with him earlier
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 4: I've had.
Speaker 5: The yeah, my, you know.
Speaker 3: So he's an interesting he's like kind of like a
Speaker 3: proto Chris Rufo like, but he's interesting because he's one
Speaker 3: of these people who makes a very classic mistake in
Speaker 3: in when you're trying to become a media person, which
Speaker 3: is that he tries to do theory bullshit and it's
Speaker 3: on it's it's nonsense like and he like it's it's
Speaker 3: you know, but his things he's trying to derive basically,
Speaker 3: like effectively, what he's trying to do is derive a
Speaker 3: theoretical basis for the whole like Judeo Bolshevik conspiracy, which
Speaker 3: he was one of the big sort of cultural Marxism people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well he is. He is probably most known for
Speaker 4: propagating the critical race theory kind of debacle that happened
Speaker 4: a few years ago that was mostly spearheaded by this guy,
Speaker 4: James Lindsay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's he's trying to he's like, his project
Speaker 3: is intellectual project. He's trying to trace this line from
Speaker 3: Hegel through Marx, through Gramsey, through Mouth through the Frankfurt
Speaker 3: School through the sixties radicals, and it's it's it's interesting though,
Speaker 3: because what he's doing is he's he's he's he's part
Speaker 3: of this really systemic attempt to completely and we saw
Speaker 3: this this, this is the result of this is this
Speaker 3: Paul Pelosi attack. It's to completely obscure the actual power
Speaker 3: relations of American society to the point where, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: thing we've been talking about happens where because this person
Speaker 3: thinks that this Marxist conspiracy from gender studies professors is
Speaker 3: actually the thing that controls the US.
Speaker 2: He is like.
Speaker 3: Kidnapping one of like the husband of one of the
Speaker 3: most powerful people in the United States because he thinks
Speaker 3: that as a way to get to a gender studies professor.
Speaker 3: It's it's this, it's this interesting I think, like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's I think it's this interesting demonstration of
Speaker 3: of how of how right wing ideology is specifically designed
Speaker 3: to act to like conceal the actual power relations to
Speaker 3: society and then blame like queer people for it.
Speaker 2: It's like it's taken Lindsey comes out of academia too, right,
Speaker 2: He's like this professor at a in watch but he's
Speaker 2: like he's like a math professor or something. He's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's basically the gist of what why. What happens is
Speaker 2: he realizes you're never going to get rich being a
Speaker 2: math professor, but if you become a right wing thought leader,
Speaker 2: you know there's money in that. So he makes the
Speaker 2: series of bullshit claims about how he's being oppressed by
Speaker 2: fucking evil progressive fascism. And yeah, this is why. Also
Speaker 2: all of his grievances are so focused around academics. It's
Speaker 2: because he still has academia brainworms, where everything that matters
Speaker 2: is like what this handful of upper middle class professors
Speaker 2: at fancy ivy league schools argue about.
Speaker 4: He also believes that queer people are engaging in a
Speaker 4: form of ancient hermetic magic, which.
Speaker 2: Is not that party, Harrison, if I know you at all,
Speaker 2: that part's true, Like that's accurate.
Speaker 3: It's so funny that he got there because like, like when
Speaker 3: I was arguing with him, he was trying to argue
Speaker 3: that Mao had read this Gramsey, who's this Italian Marxist
Speaker 3: theory she demonisterrably cannot have read because Gramsey's prison notebooks
Speaker 3: don't come out until like art translated in Chinese until
Speaker 3: after Mao dies. So it's like it's it's physically impossible
Speaker 3: for him to have done this, but it's funny because
Speaker 3: like he's gone from that to like the queer hermetic
Speaker 3: like yes, yes, to destroy.
Speaker 4: The Who do we want to talk about next? Because
Speaker 4: I have I have, I have my Dayton Shooter and
Speaker 4: I know we we have we have a list.
Speaker 3: Of let's do, let's let's do, let's do Dayton Shooter
Speaker 3: and then close out with the too antipersonian.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I'm not I don't know shit about this,
Speaker 2: So date me up, motherfuckers.
Speaker 6: So a few days before Thanksgiving, well home, we should
Speaker 6: we shuld take Oh yeah, speaking of Thanksgiving, you know what,
Speaker 6: I'm thankful for the fact that we're supported by advertisers.
Speaker 2: And we're back. Okay, let's talk about this fucking date
Speaker 2: to shooting.
Speaker 4: A few days before Thanksgiving, someone walked into a Walmart
Speaker 4: in Beaver Creek, Ohio with I believe it was a
Speaker 4: it was a high point forty five caliber carbine.
Speaker 2: With and I know, wow, high point Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: He shot four people before eventually dying of a self
Speaker 4: inflicted gunshot wound. Victims were transferred to the hospital. It
Speaker 4: looks like nobody actually died besides the shooter. So hey,
Speaker 4: that's a win, great, great job medical medical teams. But
Speaker 4: upon looking into this this guy's home, it's very very
Speaker 4: kind of standard stuff. Ever since twenty sixteen. We have
Speaker 4: Nazi flags, we have Nazi books. He's he went to
Speaker 4: a Christian online school. He was twenty years old. He
Speaker 4: spent almost all his time at home on the internet.
Speaker 4: He did not believe the Holocaust was real. He had
Speaker 4: been to the hospital before for mental health evaluations. The
Speaker 4: FBI referred to his beliefs as a quote loosely organized
Speaker 4: movement of individuals and groups that espouse some combination of racist,
Speaker 4: aty Semitica, zenophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, and homophobic ideology, which is
Speaker 4: a very very broad broadway of saying. Yeah, he was
Speaker 4: like a far right nut job. He was very very
Speaker 4: typical kind of Nazi guy. He had two swastika flags.
Speaker 4: Now because he died, it's where people are still putting
Speaker 4: together like what exactly led to him to like do
Speaker 4: this specific act because they can't like talk to him.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was very very typical sort of thing
Speaker 4: of this guy deciding to go into a Walmart and
Speaker 4: do a shooting. This is something that other Nazi accelerationists
Speaker 4: have done before. It's something that will probably keep happening.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean for sure.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's not like
Speaker 4: a big story. It's it's just another thing that's happened.
Speaker 4: But it is weird the sort of like normalization of
Speaker 4: it of like, oh yeah, not seeing the Walmart shooting
Speaker 4: again isn't actually a story anymore. It's just like it's
Speaker 4: just it's just another Tuesday. No.
Speaker 2: And this is like what the right wants, by the way,
Speaker 2: is that like when they do these mass shootings, it
Speaker 2: does not make the news, and whenever they can blame
Speaker 2: a shooting on a queer a trans person, they try
Speaker 2: to keep it make it be the only thing anyone
Speaker 2: talks about, right, Like this is this is part of
Speaker 2: the plan, you know. Yeah, And it's a bummer that
Speaker 2: it's it's worked, just because like h it's impossible to
Speaker 2: stay at an equal level of anger every time this happens.
Speaker 2: It's so common, you know, like you just can't, you
Speaker 2: can't continue existing and have the same reaction to these
Speaker 2: that you had in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean like that. I don't have much
Speaker 4: else on this because it's just it's this guy who
Speaker 4: played video games alone for most of his life, went
Speaker 4: to a Christian online homeschool, never really interacted with the public.
Speaker 4: It was almost solely existed within this this like medio
Speaker 4: Ecosystem online, which pushed him towards buying a book on
Speaker 4: the history of the SS and buying multiple Nazi flags
Speaker 4: and not thinking the Holocaust is real. And this, this
Speaker 4: is the inevitable result of this sort of thing. So
Speaker 4: I guess do we want to segue to Vermont for
Speaker 4: our next next? Like? Something happened I think less than
Speaker 4: a week later.
Speaker 2: It sure did. But first, Garrison, speaking of Segus, did
Speaker 2: you realize that the guy who bought the segue company
Speaker 2: died in a segwe crash in Scotland? Yeah, segment he did, Garrison,
Speaker 2: He sure did you know?
Speaker 4: This is this is why I think there is a
Speaker 4: little bit of magic that Israel, because every once in
Speaker 4: a while, the funniest thing happens.
Speaker 2: Oh man, what a what a stupid product segues. I
Speaker 2: remember when those first came out and people were like,
Speaker 2: this is the future of transportation, and then everyone who
Speaker 2: was not completely brain deed was like, of course they're not.
Speaker 2: Look at how dumb those things look. Nobody's gonna want
Speaker 2: to drive these.
Speaker 4: I mean, if I was a self educated finance guy,
Speaker 4: I'm sure I would be able to to to to
Speaker 4: estimate the life cycle of of the segue.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna make it if you if you just
Speaker 2: walk like a peasant, you gotta get a one wheel
Speaker 2: that explodes.
Speaker 3: It's so funny to me too, because it's like like
Speaker 3: a thing there. Like I genuinely think is a real
Speaker 3: kind of shift in in our modes of transportation, is
Speaker 3: that people really did start using electric bikes more and
Speaker 3: then has a lot too and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like huge. Actually, instead, no, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't need you don't need to fuck with the
Speaker 2: form factor. People are happy using bikes. They're just too
Speaker 2: slow and sometimes too much effort is required. So you
Speaker 2: make that easier and then people don't drive as fucking much.
Speaker 2: Great idea. Speaking of a bad idea, let's talk about
Speaker 2: this other mass shooter in Vermont from from last week.
Speaker 2: This actually happened on Thanksgiving Day, so this guy. I
Speaker 2: think it was on Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 4: It may have been like a day or two later.
Speaker 2: It was Saturday night, so that would have been. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that had been like the day or two after, two
Speaker 2: days after Thanksgiving. So two days after Thanksgiving, you know,
Speaker 2: you've got these three twenty year old Palestinian men who
Speaker 2: are in town visiting family. You know they're doing. I
Speaker 2: think they go over and do they do a Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: dinner with some friends. They're over another thing people's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this big thing they were leaving was it
Speaker 3: was they they went to it an eight year old
Speaker 3: birthday party.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah. They're with one of them's uncle who
Speaker 2: lives in Burlington. And these kids are all students at
Speaker 2: different Northeast I think, all Northeast colleges. One's from Brown University,
Speaker 2: once from Haverford, one is from Trinity College. Two of
Speaker 2: them are citizens and the other is I think naturalized
Speaker 2: or at least a permanent resident. And at some point
Speaker 2: after you know they're they're hanging out at this event,
Speaker 2: family event, they're like, let's go on a walk. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a nice night, let's let's have us a walk around.
Speaker 2: And they're they're walking around, they're near an apartment building,
Speaker 2: and this forty eight year old man named Jason j
Speaker 2: Eaton steps off his porch, pulls out a gun, and
Speaker 2: apparently without saying anything, fires at least four shots at
Speaker 2: these three young men. Two of them are shot and
Speaker 2: they're torso a third is shot in the lower extremities.
Speaker 2: They are all alive. Still, they're all expected to live.
Speaker 2: I think one of them was more seriously injured than
Speaker 2: the others, but they're all like going to survive, thankfully.
Speaker 2: And then Eaton flees on foot. I think, like the
Speaker 2: next day the police catch up with him. He used
Speaker 2: a three eighty pistol, if that matters to you, which
Speaker 2: is a fairly small handgun, which probably explains why everybody's survived.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so that's the extent of like what physically
Speaker 2: happened on the day. Again, Eaton doesn't say anything before
Speaker 2: he starts shooting. There's no evidence that he knew these guys.
Speaker 2: They are apparently speaking in a mixture of Arabic and
Speaker 2: English as they walk by, which and also at least
Speaker 2: I think two of them were wearing like Palestinian color,
Speaker 2: sort of shimogs or kefias. I don't think, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's like like not like the colors of
Speaker 2: the Palestinian flag, but like the color palette there is
Speaker 2: used in that specific it's like the white and black
Speaker 2: yeah scarves. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Eaton was a finance
Speaker 2: broker and advisor kind of part time. I don't know
Speaker 2: how much money he actually made from it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like working on a farm part time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was employed at Edward Jones a few years ago.
Speaker 4: He's kind of yeah, he's this this libertarian finance bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, people found his social pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: There's like an archived Twitter, which is really standard uh
Speaker 2: standard libertarian stuff. He talks about like he complains about
Speaker 2: the Fed an awful lot. He quotes Elon Musk a
Speaker 2: number of times. He seems to be a fan of him.
Speaker 2: But he's also a huge fan of Bernie Sanders and
Speaker 2: described ye like the only good man in politics pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's kind of like it's kind of
Speaker 4: like the Joe Rogan libertarian.
Speaker 2: Of like right, right, yes, very much.
Speaker 4: So you like Bernie because he's like he like cares
Speaker 4: about like the people. He's not like he's not like
Speaker 4: falling for like the big finance corporation stuff blah blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like it's this old sort of like
Speaker 3: the oh my god, what I've forgotten his name? Uh,
Speaker 3: the libertarian guy from the two and early twenty tens.
Speaker 4: Who were the Riddler suits.
Speaker 3: No, he was a congressman. He was like he was
Speaker 3: like one of the fashions in occupy was like these
Speaker 3: weird libertarians and it's like this seems like that's like
Speaker 3: the ideological as sentence of those people who didn't turn
Speaker 3: into like neo Confederate like yeah people.
Speaker 2: And it's in his old archived Twitter account, he describes
Speaker 2: himself like His profile describes him as radical citizen patrolling democracy,
Speaker 2: which he spells with a K, and carapitalism for oath
Speaker 2: keepers well oath creepers. I don't know entirely what all
Speaker 2: of that means, and then hashtag wild type with the
Speaker 2: little atomic symbol, which I guess means he likes science.
Speaker 2: He describes himself as a dad and a part time farmer,
Speaker 2: a reformed yes stockbroker, and his archived account includes a
Speaker 2: link to his sub stack, which is is our DKL Radical.
Speaker 2: He describes it as yeah wander wandering ramblings of a reformed
Speaker 2: broker on the ADHD ASD spectrum. He's claiming at least
Speaker 2: to have ADHD in autism. It's uh, he's deleted by
Speaker 2: the time we got to them. Everyone got to them.
Speaker 2: Most of the posts on his sub stack. The only
Speaker 2: thing on there is a really extensive post where he's
Speaker 2: like talking about how how restaurants can keep dishwashers employed.
Speaker 2: He seems to have worked this one and be angry
Speaker 2: that they're not always paid fair wage commencer to back
Speaker 2: on the lions or in front of the Lion staff,
Speaker 2: I guess, which is like not unreasonable, but an odd
Speaker 2: thing for him to be so focused on.
Speaker 4: He has a really interesting online footprint. Yes, at least
Speaker 4: like everything like pre pandemic is like he's like this
Speaker 4: regular libertarian finance guy. Like there's not like there's nothing
Speaker 4: too concerning. He's like he's yeah, he's like retweet like
Speaker 4: the Libertarian Party of Tennessee saying that they like Bernie
Speaker 4: Sanders and like he's he has like this podcast where
Speaker 4: he talks about penny stalks, and it's like it's a
Speaker 4: lot of like you see lots of these types of
Speaker 4: guy around and most of them are just like guys
Speaker 4: in their forties, because that's what he was, Just like
Speaker 4: a libertarian guy in his forties who lived in Vermont.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, so you know, as you kind of
Speaker 2: stated Garrison, he's pretty normal up until he gets like
Speaker 2: COVID hits, and that seems to be what pushes him
Speaker 2: over the limit. I want to read a quote from
Speaker 2: Vice News here, who's done a lengthy breakdown of his
Speaker 2: social media presence. One post from March twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: titled thought crime. It's an anti vax screed that labels
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen as a government conspiracy. The scale and scope
Speaker 2: of this operation was next level, he wrote. He also
Speaker 2: shared other anti VAX sentiments on his LinkedIn and wrote
Speaker 2: last year that he'd started deleting or unpublishing certain posts
Speaker 2: because my ideas make some people not want to hire me.
Speaker 2: He also has an Instagram account, which is largely dedicated
Speaker 2: to sharing images from his farm. Only one post hints
Speaker 2: at any ideological or political outlook, which is a screenshot
Speaker 2: from the Urban Dictionary Definition of America with a K,
Speaker 2: a word used to describe the worst sense of the
Speaker 2: United States, i e. Imperialism, corruption and the global exportation
Speaker 2: of American culture. His Instagram links to another blog, which
Speaker 2: has the same name as his substack and contains rambling
Speaker 2: podcasts about the financial system. He's uploaded documentation of his
Speaker 2: various qualifications over the years. One document indicates that he
Speaker 2: was a boy Scout leader between at least twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty one. Don't worry everyone, the Boy Scouts
Speaker 2: are not letting this guy continue to be an adult leader.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's the homepage of his website just reads together
Speaker 4: no King, And there's a lot of stuff that looks
Speaker 4: like it's been deleted, a lot of weird financial advice
Speaker 4: under the name Radical Citizen spelled all stupid. But I
Speaker 4: i've I've I found his YouTube pretty quick. I found
Speaker 4: his LinkedIn pretty quick. There's a lot of like vaccin
Speaker 4: it's his his His YouTube starts with a lot of
Speaker 4: like vaccine hesitancy stuff. Yeah, and then on his LinkedIn
Speaker 4: he moves into like full full, like weird, like COVID conspiracies,
Speaker 4: vaccine denial, vaccine conspiracy theories. And I will say I've
Speaker 4: never seen a shooter post like this on LinkedIn before.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's interesting, really unique.
Speaker 4: It's it's really unique thing. Like so you'll find stuff
Speaker 4: like this on like Reddit, you'll find stuff like this
Speaker 4: on Twitter, but having having a shooter share this types
Speaker 4: of conspiratorial content on LinkedIn and then talk about how
Speaker 4: he has to delete some because he's not getting hired
Speaker 4: because LinkedIn's a place to help you get hired. Like
Speaker 4: that's like, it's it's it's a really weird platform. Yes,
Speaker 4: this could just be his like libertarianness showing and like
Speaker 4: they they use they use LinkedIn because it's like for
Speaker 4: like business and finance, but it is certainly weird, Like
Speaker 4: the way he was using it is is unlike most
Speaker 4: most like either like like cod COVID, conspiracy shooters, vaccine shooters,
Speaker 4: or whatever his motivation was for this, for targeting three
Speaker 4: Palestinian people. It's it's certainly certainly a unique facet of
Speaker 4: this incident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I don't know. I mean, in some
Speaker 2: ways this is a pretty standard case and that like
Speaker 2: not the specific things that this guy is starting point,
Speaker 2: but just the fact that this is a guy who's
Speaker 2: clearly open to some level of right wing politics and
Speaker 2: thought influencers. And it seems as if COVID nineteen drove
Speaker 2: him off a wall ideologically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if this
Speaker 3: winds up being a very you know, if we wind
Speaker 3: up finding out that a specific motivation for this santi
Speaker 3: Palsinian racism, because yeah, well yeah, we know it also
Speaker 3: probably is.
Speaker 4: But his mom just him as a Christian who takes
Speaker 4: his spirituality very seriously. She said that he thought the
Speaker 4: whole state of the world was kind of like a
Speaker 4: big mess right now, like everything, everything spiritually is kind
Speaker 4: of falling apart, is what his mom said. Because he
Speaker 4: he was he was at Thanksgiving dinner with his family
Speaker 4: like two nights before this happened. They said he seemed
Speaker 4: to act be acting like like his usual self. Not
Speaker 4: not saying like, you know, not saying that he was
Speaker 4: acting good, but like he was acting normal for him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but no, he certainly had some some degree of religious affiliation.
Speaker 4: He talked about using his religious statust as to get
Speaker 4: like vaccine exemptions for his kids. So there's stuff stuff
Speaker 4: like that that that that that does tie to his
Speaker 4: religious background, which which could certainly contribute to to anti
Speaker 4: Palestinian violence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know, if I had to say,
Speaker 2: oom kind of how this went down Without more evidence,
Speaker 2: my guess would be he was having a bad day,
Speaker 2: probably you know that kind of after the holiday depression.
Speaker 2: That's not uncommon. He's like listening to or reading some
Speaker 2: sort of listening to some sort of weird conspiracy podcast,
Speaker 2: or he's just falling down another rabbit hole online. He
Speaker 2: gets angrier and angrier, and he hears some people talking
Speaker 2: in Arabic outside, looks out his window, sees a Palestinian
Speaker 2: Keffia and decides, I'm going to just start shooting. I
Speaker 2: don't actually know, like, I don't know what else it
Speaker 2: could be. He can't have These people were not like
Speaker 2: regular walkers in his neighborhoods, so this can't have been
Speaker 2: like he wasn't laying in wait for them. This seems
Speaker 2: like from you know, it must have been like a
Speaker 2: spur of the moment thing, right, He waited.
Speaker 4: For the ATF to come to his door. He said,
Speaker 4: He said, like I've been expecting you or I've been
Speaker 4: waiting for you or something, and he said, I don't
Speaker 4: want to say anything without a lawyer. So like he
Speaker 4: he had like you know, like the libertarian script of
Speaker 4: like is what you say if the police are coming
Speaker 4: to arrest you is like, yeah, he didn't. He didn't
Speaker 4: like kill himself at the end of this act of
Speaker 4: violence like a lot of other shooters do. He was
Speaker 4: very very like put together weirdly.
Speaker 2: And he's he's lawyered up. I guess we'll learn more.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it's it's it's certainly interesting. I mean,
Speaker 4: I've been scrolling through the past two years of LinkedIn
Speaker 4: posts where he posted a lot on like LinkedIn's like
Speaker 4: social platform, and it's a big mix of like big
Speaker 4: mix of like financial conspiracy theories and COVID conspiracy theories
Speaker 4: and vaccine conspiracy theories. I can certainly see how the
Speaker 4: way the way, like libertarians in general the past three years, past,
Speaker 4: like five years, six years, may maybe even since like
Speaker 4: the Tea Party realistically have just you have been getting
Speaker 4: increasingly aligned with like other aspects of the far right
Speaker 4: where uh it contributes to like transphobia or contributes to racism, xenophobia, homophobia. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like that that that has big that that ven diagram
Speaker 4: is slowly becoming more of a circle. And I can
Speaker 4: certainly see if this guy, this guy obviously was listening
Speaker 4: to podcasts, if he was making he was making a
Speaker 4: financial podcast at some point. Yeah, he like, I can
Speaker 4: totally see if if you're listening to libertarian podcasts, you
Speaker 4: slowly getting all of these other kind of beliefs that
Speaker 4: have been seeping in to almost the entirety of the
Speaker 4: libertarian political project. If you see, like a few years ago,
Speaker 4: he was retweeting posts from like the libertarian parties of
Speaker 4: these various states, and now many of those accounts are
Speaker 4: just run by Nazis.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it is.
Speaker 4: It is like, yeah, watching how the posting trends of
Speaker 4: like official libertarian party affiliated accounts have changed, the past
Speaker 4: few years, specifically the New Hampshire account.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, quite is quite something. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's it's not always what you'd think because the the
Speaker 2: the Louisiana Libertarian Party is like super chill, reasonable, anti racist,
Speaker 2: you know, guy, Whereas yeah, the New Hampshire Liberty Terran Party,
Speaker 2: dude is like just a straight up Nazi. Yeah, interesting, interesting,
Speaker 2: good stuff. Should we do our second ad break? Did
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Speaker 2: Anyway, Daniel? If we didn't do a second ad break,
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Speaker 2: if I fucked up. Dani'll keep it in if I
Speaker 2: fuck up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And speaking of speaking of stuff that's fucked up, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So the last thing I want to talk about is
Speaker 3: this is this is an older This is from like October, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is from October fourteenth, and I think it's specifically
Speaker 3: this is this is seven days after the sort of
Speaker 3: Amos attack that started all of the sort of stuff
Speaker 3: that's been happening in Palestine. Yeah, so in Plainfield, which
Speaker 3: is this kind of Yeah, it's it's like a.
Speaker 4: It's a really far suburb of Chicago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's in these things where it's like it's
Speaker 3: in the kind of I don't know, almost a borderline
Speaker 3: of is it a suburb like it is it's a
Speaker 3: place that sucks ass. Yeah, and no offense to anyone
Speaker 3: living there with yeah.
Speaker 2: No, like there are good people there, but it some
Speaker 2: of them I assume are good people.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So on on the fourteenth, a seventy one year
Speaker 3: old man named Joseph Cuspa, who was the landlord of
Speaker 3: a Palestinian woman and her son, and you know, okay,
Speaker 3: so this story, this story just sucks. They had actually
Speaker 3: so these this family and their landlord had been like
Speaker 3: pretty close friends. Like the family had considered him like
Speaker 3: like a like they considered him like a grandfather. And
Speaker 3: this guy comes through the door and the six year
Speaker 3: old kid runs up to go hug him, and he
Speaker 3: stabs the kid twenty six times and kills him, nearly
Speaker 3: kills his mom. He's screaming like the entire time about
Speaker 3: like yeah, he's screaming, you Muslims have to die. You're
Speaker 3: killing our kids in Israel. You Palestinians don't deserve to live.
Speaker 3: And this is a I think this is a kind
Speaker 3: of a kind of different kind of shoot of well
Speaker 3: actually a different kind of like killing than the ones
Speaker 3: we've been talking about, because this is a very sort
Speaker 3: of like wake of two thousand and one killing where
Speaker 3: you have this enormous, enormous spike in Islamophobia, very specifically here,
Speaker 3: you have this incredible spike in in anti Palastinian racism,
Speaker 3: and you have this this period like especially in the
Speaker 3: week I mean, and this is still happening to this day,
Speaker 3: but in like the week after, in the week after
Speaker 3: this all started, you could say fucking anything you could say.
Speaker 3: You could you could like you could talk about fucking
Speaker 3: turning the Gauza strip the glass, like you could talk
Speaker 3: about fucking dropping nucause, you could talk about killing every
Speaker 3: single Palestinian on earth. And it was and no one
Speaker 3: fucking said anything, right, all these fucking people, all of
Speaker 3: these fucking all these fucking journalists said nothing. All Like
Speaker 3: the president, Like, the President only starts talking about his
Speaker 3: homophobia after this fucking kid gets stabbed the death and
Speaker 3: you know, and this guy is listening to right wing
Speaker 3: talk radio, which is why you know, this is like,
Speaker 3: this is a this is an older like this, this
Speaker 3: is a this is a specific kind of killing that
Speaker 3: like I think is very very similar to the the
Speaker 3: enormous number of Muslims who were killed. And I will
Speaker 3: seek people too because these people are just really racist. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Palestenians people who were just killed right after nine
Speaker 3: to eleven, because there's just this wave of the US
Speaker 3: that gets into one of these sort of murder frenzies,
Speaker 3: like one of these sort of racist frenzies.
Speaker 2: And this kid.
Speaker 3: Gets stabbed the death, and yeah, this guy you know,
Speaker 3: and I mean and like I think, I think I
Speaker 3: think about this case right like this is you know,
Speaker 3: this is a radicalization in terms like in terms of
Speaker 3: like going from going from literally like this kid is
Speaker 3: running up to hug him because like he had built
Speaker 3: like a treehouse for the family before this, right like
Speaker 3: like in and over the course of like seven days,
Speaker 3: this guy goes from that to like we need to
Speaker 3: kill all Muslims. We need to like stab them to death,
Speaker 3: right like it's it's horrible and and this is you know,
Speaker 3: like this kind of stuff just keeps happening, and you know,
Speaker 3: like the only time, the only the media literally only
Speaker 3: covers this stuff like in terms of like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: casting a Democrats support and it's like, you guys, just
Speaker 3: I don't know. The extense of which the media has
Speaker 3: been utterly and completely complicit in anti Polsinian racism has
Speaker 3: been appalling, and you know it's killed people now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there will there will be no reckoning with this
Speaker 3: because the US media does this ship all the time
Speaker 3: and no one cares.
Speaker 2: And yeah, by by a wide margin, the most disturbing
Speaker 2: thing about this is just and I think what separates
Speaker 2: this from the two thousand and one stuff, because this
Speaker 2: version of this attack in two thousand and one would
Speaker 2: have just been some racist stranger who saw, you know,
Speaker 2: a Muslim person or just a person he assumed look
Speaker 2: like they were Muslim and attacked but did not have
Speaker 2: a relationship with them. This guy is super close to
Speaker 2: this kid, right, This is like an example of how
Speaker 2: fairly integrated this community was. And it's the again an
Speaker 2: example kind of what we're seeing in most of these
Speaker 2: other attacks we've talked about, except of that Nazi is
Speaker 2: like these people who are a lot more normal. And
Speaker 2: then I'm going to guess if we when we find
Speaker 2: out more about the dude who stabbed that kid, a
Speaker 2: lot of his drift happened after COVID, right. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a product of this right wing media ecosystem that
Speaker 2: again exists purely to do this sort of thing, but
Speaker 2: it's also a product of COVID. Right, it's a product
Speaker 2: of this lockdown that just fucking shattered so many people.
Speaker 4: It's the one other thing I will mention because it
Speaker 4: is relevant because the trial is starting. Is another extremely
Speaker 4: targeted attack with the murder of Brianna Jai. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: perpetrators were very familiar they were, they were interested in
Speaker 4: killing her specifically because Brianna was trans.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if we talked about this
Speaker 3: on the show that.
Speaker 4: I don't think we did.
Speaker 2: I don't happened.
Speaker 4: No, But with with with with the trial happening, we're
Speaker 4: we've gotten text exchanges between the two people who were
Speaker 4: involved in the killing, and it's it's very very very
Speaker 4: telling the way they were talking about Brianna like as
Speaker 4: this as this like object and very very very specifically
Speaker 4: like uh like almost like stalking and gaining familiar with
Speaker 4: her specifically to kill her out of like fascination.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, So so for people who don't know what
Speaker 3: this is, Brianna was, I think she was fifty sixteen sixteen,
Speaker 3: sixteen year old trans girl in the UK who was
Speaker 3: stabbed to death by two other kids. And yeah, so
Speaker 3: the trial's like happening right now and it's it's really
Speaker 3: really fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was, she was.
Speaker 3: Killed earlier this year. Yeah, and yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 3: you if you want to understand what transphobes think about
Speaker 3: trans people, like those texts are as clean as an
Speaker 3: example that you're going to get about how like all
Speaker 3: of the fucking right wing media people and all of
Speaker 3: the sort of like you know, like all of the
Speaker 3: most sort of like absolutely like committed transphobes think about
Speaker 3: trans but how they talk about us like in in
Speaker 3: closed like like behind closed doors where they think you
Speaker 3: will never see it.
Speaker 2: And this this is just this is just how they talk.
Speaker 3: About us, And this is what happens is people like
Speaker 3: people fucking weirder trans people and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then yep, all right, well folks, this has
Speaker 2: been uh it could happen here? A podcast about terrorism? Goodbye?
Speaker 4: Do we want to try to end in any literally
Speaker 4: any other way?
Speaker 2: I'm you know, no, Garrison, We're not. That's the end
Speaker 2: of the podcast. Goodbye.
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