WEBVTT - This Week in American Terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, Ah, I have slain the God of Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>and cast his ruin upon.

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<v Speaker 2>The mountain side, and now I am the Lord and

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<v Speaker 2>Savior of all. Podcasting Robert Evans, This is it could

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<v Speaker 2>happen here a podcast about things falling apart and about

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<v Speaker 2>my slow descent into theistic narcissism. Here with me today,

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<v Speaker 2>Garrison Davis and me along. How are you guys doing great?

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't like.

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<v Speaker 3>This like fifteen minutes ago, that there's been a rapid

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<v Speaker 3>radicalization process.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, speaking speaking of rapid radicalization.

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<v Speaker 2>I downed a bottle of this alive ancient mushroom elixir

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<v Speaker 2>and it is over empowered me.

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<v Speaker 4>Not a sponsor too, free free, free advertising, ergizing.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they want to pay us, I will probably

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<v Speaker 2>stop claiming to have slain the God of Abraham. This

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<v Speaker 2>is This Week in Terrorism, a show title we've never

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<v Speaker 2>used before and may never use again, but we wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>We're probably gonna have to use it again. None of

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<v Speaker 2>the terrorism we're talking about has occurred this week. It

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<v Speaker 2>all occurred in previous weeks. We were out last week.

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to talk about some of our recent terrorism attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss kind of what we're seeing in radicalization of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are carrying out usually shootings, but not exclusively.

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<v Speaker 2>We're actually going to start with a hammer attack. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what we're seeing out there because.

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<v Speaker 4>Very British style. Actually, I think we're ending on a

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<v Speaker 4>stabbing too, ending on a stabbing.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of these are not shootings. I'm a liar. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the mushroom juice. But yeah, we're going to start by

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the attack on Paul Pelosi, who's, of course

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy Pelosi's fuck buddy. Some people call him a husband.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's an archaic term, but yeah, he got

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<v Speaker 2>assaulted in his house by this guy, Brian Depayup. This

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<v Speaker 2>was like a year or so ago, and he just

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<v Speaker 2>recently got convicted of a bunch of stuff. He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be going to forever prison. But we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that attack essentially. I wanted to start with

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a little bit of audio of the attack itself.

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<v Speaker 2>This is from police body camera, and basically what happened

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<v Speaker 2>is this guy Brian broke into the Pelosi's backyard, which

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<v Speaker 2>was not guarded. Nancy was away from the house. She

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<v Speaker 2>had their security detail. Capitol Police does not protect spouses

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<v Speaker 2>and family members of Congress people, and he used a

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<v Speaker 2>hammer in one of the two very large backs he

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<v Speaker 2>brought with him to bust into the house and then

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<v Speaker 2>had a conversation with Paul Pelosi that he insists, was

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<v Speaker 2>very polite until the police showed up, at which point

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<v Speaker 2>he started bashing him in the skull with a hammer.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to get into more of what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to I want to start by playing

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<v Speaker 2>that audio. This is right at the point that the

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<v Speaker 2>police opened the door.

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<v Speaker 4>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the guy?

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<v Speaker 4>What drop the hammer?

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<v Speaker 5>What is har.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what is actually happening in the video is

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<v Speaker 2>this guy Brian, who is like he's got a big,

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<v Speaker 2>very large hammer in his hands, and like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>very mild struggle going on for it. Pelosi has one

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<v Speaker 2>hand on the hammer, which is a reasonable thing to

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<v Speaker 2>want to do in this situation, and the guy just

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<v Speaker 2>looks kind of stunned, and the police show up and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, yeah, man, drop the hammer, and he says no,

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<v Speaker 2>and they, to be fair to the police, pretty reasonably

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<v Speaker 2>take a step towards him, and he pulls the hammer

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<v Speaker 2>away from Paul and hits him in the head several times.

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<v Speaker 2>The police tackle him off. Paul got hit, hurt very badly.

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<v Speaker 2>This is pretty ugly. Att He's an old man. He

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<v Speaker 2>got hit in the head with a hammer several times

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<v Speaker 2>by a much younger man. Pretty ugly. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that becomes clear if you watch the earlier footage

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<v Speaker 2>of this guy in their backyard, because they have a

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<v Speaker 2>security camera, and if you watch this footage is that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a guy who had a super clear

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<v Speaker 2>plan about what he was going to do. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who was kind of flying by the seat

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<v Speaker 2>of his pants, and when the police came in kind

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<v Speaker 2>of irrationally like based on his existing plans, decided to

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<v Speaker 2>swing at him. And when he was in court, like

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things to Pape said were very interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>he basically like, you know, he busts into their backyard.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Pelosi in his pajamas, confronts him when he hears it,

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<v Speaker 2>and Depap asks, are you Paul Pelosi? Whar's Nancy? Wears

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy and Pelosi's like, she's not home, She's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be gone for several days, and de Pap started threatening

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<v Speaker 2>to tie Pelosi up. He does this like ten times

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually Paul's able to get away briefly to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom. He has a cell phone and he calls

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<v Speaker 2>the police, and like, while he's on the phone with

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<v Speaker 2>a dispatcher, you can hear de Pap like telling him

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<v Speaker 2>to hang up. You know. The police get there and

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<v Speaker 2>he attacks him. The first thing that happens in the

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<v Speaker 2>wake of this, This is obviously big news, and the

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<v Speaker 2>entirety of right wing media basically decided that this was

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Pelosi's lover.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, I was under the impression from reparable sources

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<v Speaker 4>that this was this was Paul's gay lover.

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<v Speaker 2>Is ye I was told that. Immediately comes out. Marjorie

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Green spreads this. Tucker Carlson spreads this. Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 2>spreads this. Representative Carla Tinni spreads this again because this

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<v Speaker 2>is very clearly a right wing attack motivated by right

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<v Speaker 2>wing media on an elected leader. Pretty brutal attack. Not

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<v Speaker 2>an elected leader. Sorry, I'm the husband of an elected leader,

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<v Speaker 2>right And I wanted to quote really quickly from an

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<v Speaker 2>MSN write up on this that talks about like why

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<v Speaker 2>Depap says he did this. Depap explained that he broke

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<v Speaker 2>into the Pelosi home in order to lure University of

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan anthropology and Women's study professor Gail Rubin to their house.

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<v Speaker 2>Ruben's research, according to her professional bio, focuses on LGBTQ studies,

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<v Speaker 2>gay and lesbian ethnography, sexual populations and geographies, sexology, and

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<v Speaker 2>feminist theory. She is known for her nineteen eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>sa Thinking Sex, which is considered a founding text of

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<v Speaker 2>queer theory. Paul was never a target to pap said

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<v Speaker 2>in court, explaining that he was only using the Pelosis

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<v Speaker 2>to get to my other targets and that he felt

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<v Speaker 2>really bad for Paul Pelosi. He explained that he spent

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<v Speaker 2>six hours a day watching political commentary on YouTube before

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<v Speaker 2>he was arrested, where he learned that everything was a

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<v Speaker 2>lie coming from the press. He listened off common right

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<v Speaker 2>wing grievances, according to NBC News, to explain why he

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<v Speaker 2>broke into the home. He claims to have heard about

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<v Speaker 2>Gail Rubin from anti LGBTQ activist James Lindsay, who is

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<v Speaker 2>the same person who claims to have popularize the groomer's

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<v Speaker 2>slur against LGBTQ people. To Pahaps said that he regularly

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<v Speaker 2>listened to Lindsay's podcast. The takeaway I got is that

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<v Speaker 2>she wants to do in our schools into pedophile molestation factories.

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<v Speaker 2>To Pap said, so, one of the things that's really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to me is that this guy's in the home

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<v Speaker 2>of one of the most powerful people in the entire country,

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<v Speaker 2>who is worth one hundred million dollars or more so,

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<v Speaker 2>also extremely wealthy person. But she's not his target. His

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<v Speaker 2>target is this woman's studies professor, who James Lindsay has

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<v Speaker 2>convinced him is trying to molest all of the kids

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<v Speaker 2>in America. Right. This is again, this is entirely stochastic terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the fault James Lindsay wanted stuff like this

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. That's why he does what he does. This

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<v Speaker 2>is on him, and it's a very clear example. This

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<v Speaker 2>is if you go into this dude's backstory, he was

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<v Speaker 2>not always like this. He used to be, I think

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<v Speaker 2>a pro nudity activist, but like was not a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who was like wildly conservative. And then the pandemic hits

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<v Speaker 2>and he's spending all day playing video games alone, increasingly isolated,

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<v Speaker 2>and he starts going down these YouTube and podcasts primarily

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<v Speaker 2>listening to these right wing podcasters. Lindsay's one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also a huge Timpool listener. Who is this super

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<v Speaker 2>right wing guy who believes that like we're already in

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<v Speaker 2>a shooting civil war with the left, And yeah, these

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<v Speaker 2>are all big groomer guys, These are all women's studies professors,

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<v Speaker 2>are the most dangerous people in the country. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is a vulnerable dude who the pandemic isolated from what

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<v Speaker 2>social networks he had had, and he just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>completely loses his shit. It's a very clear radicalization path,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a big bummer because this is a deeply

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<v Speaker 2>mentally unwell man who was taken advantage of by a

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<v Speaker 2>right wing media ecosystem that exists to churn exactly this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of guy towards violence against their ideological opponents.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, it is certainly interesting. This is this attack was

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<v Speaker 4>more deeply weird than what we all initially thought, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>like someone was trying to kill Pelosi, right is, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised someone would try to do that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying it's just I'm not like saying because fucker,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that, Like, I'm not surprised she's incredibly powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course people want a killer. Yeah, like the way

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<v Speaker 2>it is, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We all saw what happened on January sixth, the come

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<v Speaker 4>on guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but like this is normal politics.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, but like the idea that you're like holding holding

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<v Speaker 4>Pelosi is a hostage to get like a gender theory

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<v Speaker 4>women's studies professor is just so much more like like

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<v Speaker 4>highlighting the type of American brain rot that is just

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<v Speaker 4>totally taking over large swaths of the media, of the

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<v Speaker 4>media ecosystem at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of my favorite details from this is

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<v Speaker 2>that if you go into like his court case, why

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<v Speaker 2>he chose to attack the home of again Nancy Pelosi,

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<v Speaker 2>super wealthy, powerful person with a security detail, is because

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<v Speaker 2>he believed this Gail Rubin, this professor lived in a

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<v Speaker 2>fortress that he could not break into. Yeah, this woman's

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<v Speaker 2>studies professor lives in an undergrowned bunker.

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<v Speaker 4>It was easier to get to the speaker of the

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<v Speaker 4>house's home that it is a woman's studies for fessor's house.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's interesting too that it was specifically James Lindsay,

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<v Speaker 3>who I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Have we talked about.

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<v Speaker 4>Him really on the show. I'm I'm sure in passing.

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<v Speaker 2>But we had a big Twitter fight with him earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this year.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had.

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<v Speaker 5>The yeah, my, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's an interesting he's like kind of like a

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<v Speaker 3>proto Chris Rufo like, but he's interesting because he's one

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<v Speaker 3>of these people who makes a very classic mistake in

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<v Speaker 3>in when you're trying to become a media person, which

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<v Speaker 3>is that he tries to do theory bullshit and it's

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<v Speaker 3>on it's it's nonsense like and he like it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but his things he's trying to derive basically,

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<v Speaker 3>like effectively, what he's trying to do is derive a

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<v Speaker 3>theoretical basis for the whole like Judeo Bolshevik conspiracy, which

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<v Speaker 3>he was one of the big sort of cultural Marxism people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well he is. He is probably most known for

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<v Speaker 4>propagating the critical race theory kind of debacle that happened

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<v Speaker 4>a few years ago that was mostly spearheaded by this guy,

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<v Speaker 4>James Lindsay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's he's trying to he's like, his project

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<v Speaker 3>is intellectual project. He's trying to trace this line from

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<v Speaker 3>Hegel through Marx, through Gramsey, through Mouth through the Frankfurt

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<v Speaker 3>School through the sixties radicals, and it's it's it's interesting though,

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<v Speaker 3>because what he's doing is he's he's he's he's part

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<v Speaker 3>of this really systemic attempt to completely and we saw

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<v Speaker 3>this this, this is the result of this is this

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Pelosi attack. It's to completely obscure the actual power

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<v Speaker 3>relations of American society to the point where, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 3>thing we've been talking about happens where because this person

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<v Speaker 3>thinks that this Marxist conspiracy from gender studies professors is

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<v Speaker 3>actually the thing that controls the US.

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<v Speaker 2>He is like.

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<v Speaker 3>Kidnapping one of like the husband of one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most powerful people in the United States because he thinks

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<v Speaker 3>that as a way to get to a gender studies professor.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's this, it's this interesting I think, like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, it's I think it's this interesting demonstration of

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<v Speaker 3>of how of how right wing ideology is specifically designed

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<v Speaker 3>to act to like conceal the actual power relations to

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<v Speaker 3>society and then blame like queer people for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's taken Lindsey comes out of academia too, right,

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<v Speaker 2>He's like this professor at a in watch but he's

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<v Speaker 2>like he's like a math professor or something. He's like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically the gist of what why. What happens is

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<v Speaker 2>he realizes you're never going to get rich being a

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<v Speaker 2>math professor, but if you become a right wing thought leader,

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's money in that. So he makes the

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<v Speaker 2>series of bullshit claims about how he's being oppressed by

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<v Speaker 2>fucking evil progressive fascism. And yeah, this is why. Also

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<v Speaker 2>all of his grievances are so focused around academics. It's

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<v Speaker 2>because he still has academia brainworms, where everything that matters

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<v Speaker 2>is like what this handful of upper middle class professors

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<v Speaker 2>at fancy ivy league schools argue about.

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<v Speaker 4>He also believes that queer people are engaging in a

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<v Speaker 4>form of ancient hermetic magic, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not that party, Harrison, if I know you at all,

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<v Speaker 2>that part's true, Like that's accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so funny that he got there because like, like when

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<v Speaker 3>I was arguing with him, he was trying to argue

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<v Speaker 3>that Mao had read this Gramsey, who's this Italian Marxist

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<v Speaker 3>theory she demonisterrably cannot have read because Gramsey's prison notebooks

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<v Speaker 3>don't come out until like art translated in Chinese until

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<v Speaker 3>after Mao dies. So it's like it's it's physically impossible

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<v Speaker 3>for him to have done this, but it's funny because

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<v Speaker 3>like he's gone from that to like the queer hermetic

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<v Speaker 3>like yes, yes, to destroy.

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<v Speaker 4>The Who do we want to talk about next? Because

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<v Speaker 4>I have I have, I have my Dayton Shooter and

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<v Speaker 4>I know we we have we have a list.

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<v Speaker 3>Of let's do, let's let's do, let's do Dayton Shooter

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<v Speaker 3>and then close out with the too antipersonian.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, I'm not I don't know shit about this,

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<v Speaker 2>So date me up, motherfuckers.

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<v Speaker 6>So a few days before Thanksgiving, well home, we should

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<v Speaker 6>we shuld take Oh yeah, speaking of Thanksgiving, you know what,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm thankful for the fact that we're supported by advertisers.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're back. Okay, let's talk about this fucking date

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<v Speaker 2>to shooting.

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<v Speaker 4>A few days before Thanksgiving, someone walked into a Walmart

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<v Speaker 4>in Beaver Creek, Ohio with I believe it was a

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<v Speaker 4>it was a high point forty five caliber carbine.

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<v Speaker 2>With and I know, wow, high point Okay, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>He shot four people before eventually dying of a self

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<v Speaker 4>inflicted gunshot wound. Victims were transferred to the hospital. It

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<v Speaker 4>looks like nobody actually died besides the shooter. So hey,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a win, great, great job medical medical teams. But

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<v Speaker 4>upon looking into this this guy's home, it's very very

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<v Speaker 4>kind of standard stuff. Ever since twenty sixteen. We have

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<v Speaker 4>Nazi flags, we have Nazi books. He's he went to

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<v Speaker 4>a Christian online school. He was twenty years old. He

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<v Speaker 4>spent almost all his time at home on the internet.

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<v Speaker 4>He did not believe the Holocaust was real. He had

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<v Speaker 4>been to the hospital before for mental health evaluations. The

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<v Speaker 4>FBI referred to his beliefs as a quote loosely organized

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<v Speaker 4>movement of individuals and groups that espouse some combination of racist,

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<v Speaker 4>aty Semitica, zenophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, and homophobic ideology, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a very very broad broadway of saying. Yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 4>like a far right nut job. He was very very

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<v Speaker 4>typical kind of Nazi guy. He had two swastika flags.

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<v Speaker 4>Now because he died, it's where people are still putting

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<v Speaker 4>together like what exactly led to him to like do

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<v Speaker 4>this specific act because they can't like talk to him.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it was very very typical sort of thing

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<v Speaker 4>of this guy deciding to go into a Walmart and

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<v Speaker 4>do a shooting. This is something that other Nazi accelerationists

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<v Speaker 4>have done before. It's something that will probably keep happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's not like

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<v Speaker 4>a big story. It's it's just another thing that's happened.

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<v Speaker 4>But it is weird the sort of like normalization of

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<v Speaker 4>it of like, oh yeah, not seeing the Walmart shooting

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<v Speaker 4>again isn't actually a story anymore. It's just like it's

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<v Speaker 4>just it's just another Tuesday. No.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is like what the right wants, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>is that like when they do these mass shootings, it

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<v Speaker 2>does not make the news, and whenever they can blame

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<v Speaker 2>a shooting on a queer a trans person, they try

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it make it be the only thing anyone

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<v Speaker 2>talks about, right, Like this is this is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the plan, you know. Yeah, And it's a bummer that

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's worked, just because like h it's impossible to

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<v Speaker 2>stay at an equal level of anger every time this happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so common, you know, like you just can't, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't continue existing and have the same reaction to these

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<v Speaker 2>that you had in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I mean like that. I don't have much

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<v Speaker 4>else on this because it's just it's this guy who

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<v Speaker 4>played video games alone for most of his life, went

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<v Speaker 4>to a Christian online homeschool, never really interacted with the public.

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<v Speaker 4>It was almost solely existed within this this like medio

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<v Speaker 4>Ecosystem online, which pushed him towards buying a book on

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<v Speaker 4>the history of the SS and buying multiple Nazi flags

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<v Speaker 4>and not thinking the Holocaust is real. And this, this

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<v Speaker 4>is the inevitable result of this sort of thing. So

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<v Speaker 4>I guess do we want to segue to Vermont for

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<v Speaker 4>our next next? Like? Something happened I think less than

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<v Speaker 4>a week later.

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<v Speaker 2>It sure did. But first, Garrison, speaking of Segus, did

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<v Speaker 2>you realize that the guy who bought the segue company

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<v Speaker 2>died in a segwe crash in Scotland? Yeah, segment he did, Garrison,

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<v Speaker 2>He sure did you know?

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<v Speaker 4>This is this is why I think there is a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of magic that Israel, because every once in

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<v Speaker 4>a while, the funniest thing happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, what a what a stupid product segues. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember when those first came out and people were like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the future of transportation, and then everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>was not completely brain deed was like, of course they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at how dumb those things look. Nobody's gonna want

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<v Speaker 2>to drive these.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if I was a self educated finance guy,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure I would be able to to to to

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<v Speaker 4>estimate the life cycle of of the segue.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna make it if you if you just

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<v Speaker 2>walk like a peasant, you gotta get a one wheel

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<v Speaker 2>that explodes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so funny to me too, because it's like like

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<v Speaker 3>a thing there. Like I genuinely think is a real

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<v Speaker 3>kind of shift in in our modes of transportation, is

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<v Speaker 3>that people really did start using electric bikes more and

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<v Speaker 3>then has a lot too and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like huge. Actually, instead, no, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need you don't need to fuck with the

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<v Speaker 2>form factor. People are happy using bikes. They're just too

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<v Speaker 2>slow and sometimes too much effort is required. So you

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<v Speaker 2>make that easier and then people don't drive as fucking much.

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<v Speaker 2>Great idea. Speaking of a bad idea, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this other mass shooter in Vermont from from last week.

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<v Speaker 2>This actually happened on Thanksgiving Day, so this guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was on Thanksgiving Day.

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<v Speaker 4>It may have been like a day or two later.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Saturday night, so that would have been. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that had been like the day or two after, two

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<v Speaker 2>days after Thanksgiving. So two days after Thanksgiving, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got these three twenty year old Palestinian men who

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<v Speaker 2>are in town visiting family. You know they're doing. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they go over and do they do a Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 2>dinner with some friends. They're over another thing people's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, this big thing they were leaving was it

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<v Speaker 3>was they they went to it an eight year old

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<v Speaker 3>birthday party.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yeah. They're with one of them's uncle who

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<v Speaker 2>lives in Burlington. And these kids are all students at

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<v Speaker 2>different Northeast I think, all Northeast colleges. One's from Brown University,

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<v Speaker 2>once from Haverford, one is from Trinity College. Two of

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<v Speaker 2>them are citizens and the other is I think naturalized

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<v Speaker 2>or at least a permanent resident. And at some point

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<v Speaker 2>after you know they're they're hanging out at this event,

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<v Speaker 2>family event, they're like, let's go on a walk. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a nice night, let's let's have us a walk around.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're they're walking around, they're near an apartment building,

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<v Speaker 2>and this forty eight year old man named Jason j

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<v Speaker 2>Eaton steps off his porch, pulls out a gun, and

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<v Speaker 2>apparently without saying anything, fires at least four shots at

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<v Speaker 2>these three young men. Two of them are shot and

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<v Speaker 2>they're torso a third is shot in the lower extremities.

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<v Speaker 2>They are all alive. Still, they're all expected to live.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of them was more seriously injured than

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<v Speaker 2>the others, but they're all like going to survive, thankfully.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Eaton flees on foot. I think, like the

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<v Speaker 2>next day the police catch up with him. He used

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<v Speaker 2>a three eighty pistol, if that matters to you, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a fairly small handgun, which probably explains why everybody's survived.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so that's the extent of like what physically

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<v Speaker 2>happened on the day. Again, Eaton doesn't say anything before

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<v Speaker 2>he starts shooting. There's no evidence that he knew these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They are apparently speaking in a mixture of Arabic and

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<v Speaker 2>English as they walk by, which and also at least

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<v Speaker 2>I think two of them were wearing like Palestinian color,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of shimogs or kefias. I don't think, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's like like not like the colors of

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<v Speaker 2>the Palestinian flag, but like the color palette there is

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<v Speaker 2>used in that specific it's like the white and black

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<v Speaker 2>yeah scarves. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Eaton was a finance

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<v Speaker 2>broker and advisor kind of part time. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how much money he actually made from it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was like working on a farm part time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he was employed at Edward Jones a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>He's kind of yeah, he's this this libertarian finance bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so yeah, people found his social pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like an archived Twitter, which is really standard uh

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<v Speaker 2>standard libertarian stuff. He talks about like he complains about

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<v Speaker 2>the Fed an awful lot. He quotes Elon Musk a

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<v Speaker 2>number of times. He seems to be a fan of him.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's also a huge fan of Bernie Sanders and

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<v Speaker 2>described ye like the only good man in politics pretty much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think it's kind of like it's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like the Joe Rogan libertarian.

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<v Speaker 2>Of like right, right, yes, very much.

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<v Speaker 4>So you like Bernie because he's like he like cares

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<v Speaker 4>about like the people. He's not like he's not like

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<v Speaker 4>falling for like the big finance corporation stuff blah blah

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<v Speaker 4>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's like it's this old sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>the oh my god, what I've forgotten his name? Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>the libertarian guy from the two and early twenty tens.

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<v Speaker 4>Who were the Riddler suits.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he was a congressman. He was like he was

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<v Speaker 3>like one of the fashions in occupy was like these

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<v Speaker 3>weird libertarians and it's like this seems like that's like

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<v Speaker 3>the ideological as sentence of those people who didn't turn

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<v Speaker 3>into like neo Confederate like yeah people.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's in his old archived Twitter account, he describes

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<v Speaker 2>himself like His profile describes him as radical citizen patrolling democracy,

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<v Speaker 2>which he spells with a K, and carapitalism for oath

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<v Speaker 2>keepers well oath creepers. I don't know entirely what all

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<v Speaker 2>of that means, and then hashtag wild type with the

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<v Speaker 2>little atomic symbol, which I guess means he likes science.

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<v Speaker 2>He describes himself as a dad and a part time farmer,

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<v Speaker 2>a reformed yes stockbroker, and his archived account includes a

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<v Speaker 2>link to his sub stack, which is is our DKL Radical.

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<v Speaker 2>He describes it as yeah wander wandering ramblings of a reformed

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<v Speaker 2>broker on the ADHD ASD spectrum. He's claiming at least

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<v Speaker 2>to have ADHD in autism. It's uh, he's deleted by

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<v Speaker 2>the time we got to them. Everyone got to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the posts on his sub stack. The only

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<v Speaker 2>thing on there is a really extensive post where he's

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<v Speaker 2>like talking about how how restaurants can keep dishwashers employed.

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<v Speaker 2>He seems to have worked this one and be angry

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<v Speaker 2>that they're not always paid fair wage commencer to back

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<v Speaker 2>on the lions or in front of the Lion staff,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, which is like not unreasonable, but an odd

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<v Speaker 2>thing for him to be so focused on.

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<v Speaker 4>He has a really interesting online footprint. Yes, at least

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<v Speaker 4>like everything like pre pandemic is like he's like this

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<v Speaker 4>regular libertarian finance guy. Like there's not like there's nothing

0:24:55.160 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 4>too concerning. He's like he's yeah, he's like retweet like

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.679
<v Speaker 4>the Libertarian Party of Tennessee saying that they like Bernie

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:07.200
<v Speaker 4>Sanders and like he's he has like this podcast where

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 4>he talks about penny stalks, and it's like it's a

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 4>lot of like you see lots of these types of

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 4>guy around and most of them are just like guys

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 4>in their forties, because that's what he was, Just like

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 4>a libertarian guy in his forties who lived in Vermont.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, yeah, so you know, as you kind of

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 2>stated Garrison, he's pretty normal up until he gets like

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 2>COVID hits, and that seems to be what pushes him

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>over the limit. I want to read a quote from

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Vice News here, who's done a lengthy breakdown of his

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 2>social media presence. One post from March twenty twenty two

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.439
<v Speaker 2>titled thought crime. It's an anti vax screed that labels

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 2>COVID nineteen as a government conspiracy. The scale and scope

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 2>of this operation was next level, he wrote. He also

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 2>shared other anti VAX sentiments on his LinkedIn and wrote

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.120
<v Speaker 2>last year that he'd started deleting or unpublishing certain posts

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 2>because my ideas make some people not want to hire me.

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 2>He also has an Instagram account, which is largely dedicated

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 2>to sharing images from his farm. Only one post hints

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 2>at any ideological or political outlook, which is a screenshot

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 2>from the Urban Dictionary Definition of America with a K,

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:14.840
<v Speaker 2>a word used to describe the worst sense of the

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 2>United States, i e. Imperialism, corruption and the global exportation

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of American culture. His Instagram links to another blog, which

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>has the same name as his substack and contains rambling

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>podcasts about the financial system. He's uploaded documentation of his

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.199
<v Speaker 2>various qualifications over the years. One document indicates that he

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 2>was a boy Scout leader between at least twenty seventeen

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and twenty twenty one. Don't worry everyone, the Boy Scouts

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 2>are not letting this guy continue to be an adult leader.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. It's the homepage of his website just reads together

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 4>no King, And there's a lot of stuff that looks

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 4>like it's been deleted, a lot of weird financial advice

0:26:54.200 --> 0:27:00.080
<v Speaker 4>under the name Radical Citizen spelled all stupid. But I

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 4>i've I've I found his YouTube pretty quick. I found

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 4>his LinkedIn pretty quick. There's a lot of like vaccin

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 4>it's his his His YouTube starts with a lot of

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 4>like vaccine hesitancy stuff. Yeah, and then on his LinkedIn

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 4>he moves into like full full, like weird, like COVID conspiracies,

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 4>vaccine denial, vaccine conspiracy theories. And I will say I've

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 4>never seen a shooter post like this on LinkedIn before.

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's interesting, really unique.

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 4>It's it's really unique thing. Like so you'll find stuff

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:30.679
<v Speaker 4>like this on like Reddit, you'll find stuff like this

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 4>on Twitter, but having having a shooter share this types

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 4>of conspiratorial content on LinkedIn and then talk about how

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 4>he has to delete some because he's not getting hired

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.239
<v Speaker 4>because LinkedIn's a place to help you get hired. Like

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 4>that's like, it's it's it's a really weird platform. Yes,

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 4>this could just be his like libertarianness showing and like

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 4>they they use they use LinkedIn because it's like for

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 4>like business and finance, but it is certainly weird, Like

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 4>the way he was using it is is unlike most

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 4>most like either like like cod COVID, conspiracy shooters, vaccine shooters,

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 4>or whatever his motivation was for this, for targeting three

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 4>Palestinian people. It's it's certainly certainly a unique facet of

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 4>this incident.

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:19.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so I don't know. I mean, in some

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>ways this is a pretty standard case and that like

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 2>not the specific things that this guy is starting point,

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 2>but just the fact that this is a guy who's

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>clearly open to some level of right wing politics and

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 2>thought influencers. And it seems as if COVID nineteen drove

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>him off a wall ideologically.

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if this

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 3>winds up being a very you know, if we wind

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 3>up finding out that a specific motivation for this santi

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Palsinian racism, because yeah, well yeah, we know it also

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 3>probably is.

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 4>But his mom just him as a Christian who takes

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 4>his spirituality very seriously. She said that he thought the

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 4>whole state of the world was kind of like a

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:10.479
<v Speaker 4>big mess right now, like everything, everything spiritually is kind

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 4>of falling apart, is what his mom said. Because he

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 4>he was he was at Thanksgiving dinner with his family

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 4>like two nights before this happened. They said he seemed

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 4>to act be acting like like his usual self. Not

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 4>not saying like, you know, not saying that he was

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 4>acting good, but like he was acting normal for him. Yeah,

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 4>but no, he certainly had some some degree of religious affiliation.

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 4>He talked about using his religious statust as to get

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 4>like vaccine exemptions for his kids. So there's stuff stuff

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 4>like that that that that that does tie to his

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 4>religious background, which which could certainly contribute to to anti

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 4>Palestinian violence.

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't know, if I had to say,

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 2>oom kind of how this went down Without more evidence,

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 2>my guess would be he was having a bad day,

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 2>probably you know that kind of after the holiday depression.

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 2>That's not uncommon. He's like listening to or reading some

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 2>sort of listening to some sort of weird conspiracy podcast,

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>or he's just falling down another rabbit hole online. He

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 2>gets angrier and angrier, and he hears some people talking

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>in Arabic outside, looks out his window, sees a Palestinian

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Keffia and decides, I'm going to just start shooting. I

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 2>don't actually know, like, I don't know what else it

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 2>could be. He can't have These people were not like

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>regular walkers in his neighborhoods, so this can't have been

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 2>like he wasn't laying in wait for them. This seems

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>like from you know, it must have been like a

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>spur of the moment thing, right, He waited.

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 4>For the ATF to come to his door. He said,

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.719
<v Speaker 4>He said, like I've been expecting you or I've been

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 4>waiting for you or something, and he said, I don't

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 4>want to say anything without a lawyer. So like he

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 4>he had like you know, like the libertarian script of

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 4>like is what you say if the police are coming

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 4>to arrest you is like, yeah, he didn't. He didn't

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 4>like kill himself at the end of this act of

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 4>violence like a lot of other shooters do. He was

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 4>very very like put together weirdly.

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 2>And he's he's lawyered up. I guess we'll learn more.

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, no, it's it's it's certainly interesting. I mean,

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 4>I've been scrolling through the past two years of LinkedIn

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 4>posts where he posted a lot on like LinkedIn's like

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 4>social platform, and it's a big mix of like big

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 4>mix of like financial conspiracy theories and COVID conspiracy theories

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 4>and vaccine conspiracy theories. I can certainly see how the

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 4>way the way, like libertarians in general the past three years, past,

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 4>like five years, six years, may maybe even since like

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 4>the Tea Party realistically have just you have been getting

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 4>increasingly aligned with like other aspects of the far right

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 4>where uh it contributes to like transphobia or contributes to racism, xenophobia, homophobia. Yeah,

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 4>like that that that has big that that ven diagram

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 4>is slowly becoming more of a circle. And I can

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 4>certainly see if this guy, this guy obviously was listening

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 4>to podcasts, if he was making he was making a

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 4>financial podcast at some point. Yeah, he like, I can

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 4>totally see if if you're listening to libertarian podcasts, you

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 4>slowly getting all of these other kind of beliefs that

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 4>have been seeping in to almost the entirety of the

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 4>libertarian political project. If you see, like a few years ago,

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 4>he was retweeting posts from like the libertarian parties of

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 4>these various states, and now many of those accounts are

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 4>just run by Nazis.

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, it is.

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 4>It is like, yeah, watching how the posting trends of

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 4>like official libertarian party affiliated accounts have changed, the past

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 4>few years, specifically the New Hampshire account.

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god, quite is quite something. Yeah, and

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>it's it's not always what you'd think because the the

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>the Louisiana Libertarian Party is like super chill, reasonable, anti racist,

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, guy, Whereas yeah, the New Hampshire Liberty Terran Party,

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>dude is like just a straight up Nazi. Yeah, interesting, interesting,

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. Should we do our second ad break? Did

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 2>we already do that?

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 4>Did we already do it?

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Daniel? If we didn't do a second ad break,

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>here's our second ad break. Ah, we're back after either

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 2>our second ad break or that will be edited out

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>because we already did do we forgot which Daniel will

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out, and you the listener will never know

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 2>if I fucked up. Dani'll keep it in if I

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:40.239
<v Speaker 2>fuck up.

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And speaking of speaking of stuff that's fucked up, yeah, yeah.

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 3>So the last thing I want to talk about is

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 3>this is this is an older This is from like October, right, Yeah,

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 3>this is from October fourteenth, and I think it's specifically

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 3>this is this is seven days after the sort of

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Amos attack that started all of the sort of stuff

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 3>that's been happening in Palestine. Yeah, so in Plainfield, which

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 3>is this kind of Yeah, it's it's like a.

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 4>It's a really far suburb of Chicago.

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's in these things where it's like it's

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 3>in the kind of I don't know, almost a borderline

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 3>of is it a suburb like it is it's a

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 3>place that sucks ass. Yeah, and no offense to anyone

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 3>living there with yeah.

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 2>No, like there are good people there, but it some

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>of them I assume are good people.

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So on on the fourteenth, a seventy one year

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 3>old man named Joseph Cuspa, who was the landlord of

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 3>a Palestinian woman and her son, and you know, okay,

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 3>so this story, this story just sucks. They had actually

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 3>so these this family and their landlord had been like

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 3>pretty close friends. Like the family had considered him like

0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 3>like a like they considered him like a grandfather. And

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 3>this guy comes through the door and the six year

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 3>old kid runs up to go hug him, and he

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.280
<v Speaker 3>stabs the kid twenty six times and kills him, nearly

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 3>kills his mom. He's screaming like the entire time about

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 3>like yeah, he's screaming, you Muslims have to die. You're

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 3>killing our kids in Israel. You Palestinians don't deserve to live.

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 3>And this is a I think this is a kind

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 3>of a kind of different kind of shoot of well

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 3>actually a different kind of like killing than the ones

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 3>we've been talking about, because this is a very sort

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 3>of like wake of two thousand and one killing where

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 3>you have this enormous, enormous spike in Islamophobia, very specifically here,

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 3>you have this incredible spike in in anti Palastinian racism,

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 3>and you have this this period like especially in the

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 3>week I mean, and this is still happening to this day,

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 3>but in like the week after, in the week after

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 3>this all started, you could say fucking anything you could say.

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 3>You could you could like you could talk about fucking

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 3>turning the Gauza strip the glass, like you could talk

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 3>about fucking dropping nucause, you could talk about killing every

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 3>single Palestinian on earth. And it was and no one

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 3>fucking said anything, right, all these fucking people, all of

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 3>these fucking all these fucking journalists said nothing. All Like

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 3>the president, Like, the President only starts talking about his

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.919
<v Speaker 3>homophobia after this fucking kid gets stabbed the death and

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:20.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, and this guy is listening to right wing

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 3>talk radio, which is why you know, this is like,

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 3>this is a this is an older like this, this

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 3>is a this is a specific kind of killing that

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 3>like I think is very very similar to the the

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.399
<v Speaker 3>enormous number of Muslims who were killed. And I will

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 3>seek people too because these people are just really racist. Yeah,

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 3>and Palestenians people who were just killed right after nine

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 3>to eleven, because there's just this wave of the US

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.320
<v Speaker 3>that gets into one of these sort of murder frenzies,

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 3>like one of these sort of racist frenzies.

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 2>And this kid.

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 3>Gets stabbed the death, and yeah, this guy you know,

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 3>and I mean and like I think, I think I

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.879
<v Speaker 3>think about this case right like this is you know,

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.839
<v Speaker 3>this is a radicalization in terms like in terms of

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 3>like going from going from literally like this kid is

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 3>running up to hug him because like he had built

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 3>like a treehouse for the family before this, right like

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 3>like in and over the course of like seven days,

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 3>this guy goes from that to like we need to

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 3>kill all Muslims. We need to like stab them to death,

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<v Speaker 3>right like it's it's horrible and and this is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like this kind of stuff just keeps happening, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like the only time, the only the media literally only

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<v Speaker 3>covers this stuff like in terms of like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 3>casting a Democrats support and it's like, you guys, just

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. The extense of which the media has

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<v Speaker 3>been utterly and completely complicit in anti Polsinian racism has

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<v Speaker 3>been appalling, and you know it's killed people now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and there will there will be no reckoning with this

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<v Speaker 3>because the US media does this ship all the time

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<v Speaker 3>and no one cares.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, by by a wide margin, the most disturbing

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<v Speaker 2>thing about this is just and I think what separates

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<v Speaker 2>this from the two thousand and one stuff, because this

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.399
<v Speaker 2>version of this attack in two thousand and one would

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<v Speaker 2>have just been some racist stranger who saw, you know,

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 2>a Muslim person or just a person he assumed look

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>like they were Muslim and attacked but did not have

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 2>a relationship with them. This guy is super close to

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 2>this kid, right, This is like an example of how

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<v Speaker 2>fairly integrated this community was. And it's the again an

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<v Speaker 2>example kind of what we're seeing in most of these

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 2>other attacks we've talked about, except of that Nazi is

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 2>like these people who are a lot more normal. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm going to guess if we when we find

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<v Speaker 2>out more about the dude who stabbed that kid, a

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of his drift happened after COVID, right. You know,

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a product of this right wing media ecosystem that

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<v Speaker 2>again exists purely to do this sort of thing, but

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:58.240
<v Speaker 2>it's also a product of COVID. Right, it's a product

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<v Speaker 2>of this lockdown that just fucking shattered so many people.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the one other thing I will mention because it

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.799
<v Speaker 4>is relevant because the trial is starting. Is another extremely

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 4>targeted attack with the murder of Brianna Jai. Yeah, the

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 4>perpetrators were very familiar they were, they were interested in

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<v Speaker 4>killing her specifically because Brianna was trans.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't know if we talked about this

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<v Speaker 3>on the show that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we did.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't happened.

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<v Speaker 4>No, But with with with with the trial happening, we're

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<v Speaker 4>we've gotten text exchanges between the two people who were

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<v Speaker 4>involved in the killing, and it's it's very very very

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<v Speaker 4>telling the way they were talking about Brianna like as

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<v Speaker 4>this as this like object and very very very specifically

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<v Speaker 4>like uh like almost like stalking and gaining familiar with

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<v Speaker 4>her specifically to kill her out of like fascination.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wait, So so for people who don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>this is, Brianna was, I think she was fifty sixteen sixteen,

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.320
<v Speaker 3>sixteen year old trans girl in the UK who was

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<v Speaker 3>stabbed to death by two other kids. And yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>the trial's like happening right now and it's it's really

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<v Speaker 3>really fucking sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was, she was.

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<v Speaker 3>Killed earlier this year. Yeah, and yeah, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 3>you if you want to understand what transphobes think about

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 3>trans people, like those texts are as clean as an

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 3>example that you're going to get about how like all

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<v Speaker 3>of the fucking right wing media people and all of

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 3>the sort of like you know, like all of the

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 3>most sort of like absolutely like committed transphobes think about

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 3>trans but how they talk about us like in in

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 3>closed like like behind closed doors where they think you

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 3>will never see it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this this is just this is just how they talk.

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<v Speaker 3>About us, And this is what happens is people like

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 3>people fucking weirder trans people and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well then yep, all right, well folks, this has

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 2>been uh it could happen here? A podcast about terrorism? Goodbye?

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.280
<v Speaker 4>Do we want to try to end in any literally

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<v Speaker 4>any other way?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, no, Garrison, We're not. That's the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the podcast. Goodbye.

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