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Speaker 2: The mountain side, and now I am the Lord and

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Speaker 2: Savior of all. Podcasting Robert Evans, This is it could

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Speaker 2: my slow descent into theistic narcissism. Here with me today,

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Speaker 2: Garrison Davis and me along. How are you guys doing great?

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Speaker 2: He wasn't like.

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Speaker 3: This like fifteen minutes ago, that there's been a rapid

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Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking speaking of rapid radicalization.

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Speaker 2: I downed a bottle of this alive ancient mushroom elixir

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Speaker 4: Not a sponsor too, free free, free advertising, ergizing.

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Speaker 2: But if they want to pay us, I will probably

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Speaker 2: stop claiming to have slain the God of Abraham. This

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Speaker 2: is This Week in Terrorism, a show title we've never

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Speaker 2: used before and may never use again, but we wanted to.

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Speaker 2: We're probably gonna have to use it again. None of

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Speaker 2: the terrorism we're talking about has occurred this week. It

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Speaker 2: all occurred in previous weeks. We were out last week.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to talk about some of our recent terrorism attacks,

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Speaker 2: to discuss kind of what we're seeing in radicalization of

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Speaker 2: We're actually going to start with a hammer attack. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Very British style. Actually, I think we're ending on a

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Speaker 2: Most of these are not shootings. I'm a liar. It's

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Speaker 2: This is the fault James Lindsay wanted stuff like this

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Speaker 4: Now, it is certainly interesting. This is this attack was

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised someone would try to do that. I'm

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Speaker 4: Yes, but like the idea that you're like holding holding

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Speaker 2: It sure did. But first, Garrison, speaking of Segus, did

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Speaker 4: So you like Bernie because he's like he like cares

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Speaker 2: himself like His profile describes him as radical citizen patrolling democracy,

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Speaker 2: which he spells with a K, and carapitalism for oath

436
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: keepers well oath creepers. I don't know entirely what all

437
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: of that means, and then hashtag wild type with the

438
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: little atomic symbol, which I guess means he likes science.

439
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: He describes himself as a dad and a part time farmer,

440
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: a reformed yes stockbroker, and his archived account includes a

441
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Speaker 2: link to his sub stack, which is is our DKL Radical.

442
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: He describes it as yeah wander wandering ramblings of a reformed

443
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Speaker 2: broker on the ADHD ASD spectrum. He's claiming at least

444
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: to have ADHD in autism. It's uh, he's deleted by

445
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: the time we got to them. Everyone got to them.

446
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: Most of the posts on his sub stack. The only

447
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: thing on there is a really extensive post where he's

448
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: like talking about how how restaurants can keep dishwashers employed.

449
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: He seems to have worked this one and be angry

450
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: that they're not always paid fair wage commencer to back

451
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Speaker 2: on the lions or in front of the Lion staff,

452
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: I guess, which is like not unreasonable, but an odd

453
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: thing for him to be so focused on.

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Speaker 4: He has a really interesting online footprint. Yes, at least

455
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 4: like everything like pre pandemic is like he's like this

456
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: regular libertarian finance guy. Like there's not like there's nothing

457
00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 4: too concerning. He's like he's yeah, he's like retweet like

458
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 4: the Libertarian Party of Tennessee saying that they like Bernie

459
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 4: Sanders and like he's he has like this podcast where

460
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: he talks about penny stalks, and it's like it's a

461
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: lot of like you see lots of these types of

462
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 4: guy around and most of them are just like guys

463
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 4: in their forties, because that's what he was, Just like

464
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: a libertarian guy in his forties who lived in Vermont.

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Speaker 2: So like, yeah, so you know, as you kind of

466
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: stated Garrison, he's pretty normal up until he gets like

467
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: COVID hits, and that seems to be what pushes him

468
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: over the limit. I want to read a quote from

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Speaker 2: Vice News here, who's done a lengthy breakdown of his

470
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Speaker 2: social media presence. One post from March twenty twenty two

471
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Speaker 2: titled thought crime. It's an anti vax screed that labels

472
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Speaker 2: COVID nineteen as a government conspiracy. The scale and scope

473
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: of this operation was next level, he wrote. He also

474
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: shared other anti VAX sentiments on his LinkedIn and wrote

475
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 2: last year that he'd started deleting or unpublishing certain posts

476
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: because my ideas make some people not want to hire me.

477
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: He also has an Instagram account, which is largely dedicated

478
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: to sharing images from his farm. Only one post hints

479
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: at any ideological or political outlook, which is a screenshot

480
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: from the Urban Dictionary Definition of America with a K,

481
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: a word used to describe the worst sense of the

482
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Speaker 2: United States, i e. Imperialism, corruption and the global exportation

483
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: of American culture. His Instagram links to another blog, which

484
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: has the same name as his substack and contains rambling

485
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: podcasts about the financial system. He's uploaded documentation of his

486
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: various qualifications over the years. One document indicates that he

487
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: was a boy Scout leader between at least twenty seventeen

488
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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty one. Don't worry everyone, the Boy Scouts

489
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: are not letting this guy continue to be an adult leader.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. It's the homepage of his website just reads together

491
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: no King, And there's a lot of stuff that looks

492
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Speaker 4: like it's been deleted, a lot of weird financial advice

493
00:26:54,200 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 4: under the name Radical Citizen spelled all stupid. But I

494
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: i've I've I found his YouTube pretty quick. I found

495
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: his LinkedIn pretty quick. There's a lot of like vaccin

496
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: it's his his His YouTube starts with a lot of

497
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: like vaccine hesitancy stuff. Yeah, and then on his LinkedIn

498
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 4: he moves into like full full, like weird, like COVID conspiracies,

499
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: vaccine denial, vaccine conspiracy theories. And I will say I've

500
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: never seen a shooter post like this on LinkedIn before.

501
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: Yes, that's interesting, really unique.

502
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: It's it's really unique thing. Like so you'll find stuff

503
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: like this on like Reddit, you'll find stuff like this

504
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: on Twitter, but having having a shooter share this types

505
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: of conspiratorial content on LinkedIn and then talk about how

506
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: he has to delete some because he's not getting hired

507
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 4: because LinkedIn's a place to help you get hired. Like

508
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: that's like, it's it's it's a really weird platform. Yes,

509
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: this could just be his like libertarianness showing and like

510
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: they they use they use LinkedIn because it's like for

511
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 4: like business and finance, but it is certainly weird, Like

512
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: the way he was using it is is unlike most

513
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 4: most like either like like cod COVID, conspiracy shooters, vaccine shooters,

514
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 4: or whatever his motivation was for this, for targeting three

515
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: Palestinian people. It's it's certainly certainly a unique facet of

516
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: this incident.

517
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I don't know. I mean, in some

518
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: ways this is a pretty standard case and that like

519
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: not the specific things that this guy is starting point,

520
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: but just the fact that this is a guy who's

521
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: clearly open to some level of right wing politics and

522
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: thought influencers. And it seems as if COVID nineteen drove

523
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: him off a wall ideologically.

524
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if this

525
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: winds up being a very you know, if we wind

526
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: up finding out that a specific motivation for this santi

527
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: Palsinian racism, because yeah, well yeah, we know it also

528
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: probably is.

529
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Speaker 4: But his mom just him as a Christian who takes

530
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: his spirituality very seriously. She said that he thought the

531
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: whole state of the world was kind of like a

532
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 4: big mess right now, like everything, everything spiritually is kind

533
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: of falling apart, is what his mom said. Because he

534
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: he was he was at Thanksgiving dinner with his family

535
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: like two nights before this happened. They said he seemed

536
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: to act be acting like like his usual self. Not

537
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: not saying like, you know, not saying that he was

538
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: acting good, but like he was acting normal for him. Yeah,

539
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: but no, he certainly had some some degree of religious affiliation.

540
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: He talked about using his religious statust as to get

541
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: like vaccine exemptions for his kids. So there's stuff stuff

542
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: like that that that that that does tie to his

543
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: religious background, which which could certainly contribute to to anti

544
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: Palestinian violence.

545
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know, if I had to say,

546
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: oom kind of how this went down Without more evidence,

547
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: my guess would be he was having a bad day,

548
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: probably you know that kind of after the holiday depression.

549
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: That's not uncommon. He's like listening to or reading some

550
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: sort of listening to some sort of weird conspiracy podcast,

551
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: or he's just falling down another rabbit hole online. He

552
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: gets angrier and angrier, and he hears some people talking

553
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: in Arabic outside, looks out his window, sees a Palestinian

554
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: Keffia and decides, I'm going to just start shooting. I

555
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: don't actually know, like, I don't know what else it

556
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: could be. He can't have These people were not like

557
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: regular walkers in his neighborhoods, so this can't have been

558
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: like he wasn't laying in wait for them. This seems

559
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: like from you know, it must have been like a

560
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: spur of the moment thing, right, He waited.

561
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: For the ATF to come to his door. He said,

562
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Speaker 4: He said, like I've been expecting you or I've been

563
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: waiting for you or something, and he said, I don't

564
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 4: want to say anything without a lawyer. So like he

565
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: he had like you know, like the libertarian script of

566
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 4: like is what you say if the police are coming

567
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: to arrest you is like, yeah, he didn't. He didn't

568
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: like kill himself at the end of this act of

569
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 4: violence like a lot of other shooters do. He was

570
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: very very like put together weirdly.

571
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: And he's he's lawyered up. I guess we'll learn more.

572
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it's it's it's certainly interesting. I mean,

573
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: I've been scrolling through the past two years of LinkedIn

574
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: posts where he posted a lot on like LinkedIn's like

575
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: social platform, and it's a big mix of like big

576
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: mix of like financial conspiracy theories and COVID conspiracy theories

577
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: and vaccine conspiracy theories. I can certainly see how the

578
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: way the way, like libertarians in general the past three years, past,

579
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: like five years, six years, may maybe even since like

580
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: the Tea Party realistically have just you have been getting

581
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: increasingly aligned with like other aspects of the far right

582
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: where uh it contributes to like transphobia or contributes to racism, xenophobia, homophobia. Yeah,

583
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: like that that that has big that that ven diagram

584
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 4: is slowly becoming more of a circle. And I can

585
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: certainly see if this guy, this guy obviously was listening

586
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: to podcasts, if he was making he was making a

587
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: financial podcast at some point. Yeah, he like, I can

588
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: totally see if if you're listening to libertarian podcasts, you

589
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 4: slowly getting all of these other kind of beliefs that

590
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: have been seeping in to almost the entirety of the

591
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: libertarian political project. If you see, like a few years ago,

592
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: he was retweeting posts from like the libertarian parties of

593
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: these various states, and now many of those accounts are

594
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: just run by Nazis.

595
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it is.

596
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: It is like, yeah, watching how the posting trends of

597
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: like official libertarian party affiliated accounts have changed, the past

598
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: few years, specifically the New Hampshire account.

599
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, quite is quite something. Yeah, and

600
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: it's it's not always what you'd think because the the

601
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: the Louisiana Libertarian Party is like super chill, reasonable, anti racist,

602
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: you know, guy, Whereas yeah, the New Hampshire Liberty Terran Party,

603
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: dude is like just a straight up Nazi. Yeah, interesting, interesting,

604
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: good stuff. Should we do our second ad break? Did

605
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: we already do that?

606
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: Did we already do it?

607
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: Anyway, Daniel? If we didn't do a second ad break,

608
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Speaker 2: here's our second ad break. Ah, we're back after either

609
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Speaker 2: our second ad break or that will be edited out

610
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: because we already did do we forgot which Daniel will

611
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: figure it out, and you the listener will never know

612
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: if I fucked up. Dani'll keep it in if I

613
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 2: fuck up.

614
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And speaking of speaking of stuff that's fucked up, yeah, yeah.

615
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: So the last thing I want to talk about is

616
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: this is this is an older This is from like October, right, Yeah,

617
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: this is from October fourteenth, and I think it's specifically

618
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: this is this is seven days after the sort of

619
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: Amos attack that started all of the sort of stuff

620
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: that's been happening in Palestine. Yeah, so in Plainfield, which

621
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: is this kind of Yeah, it's it's like a.

622
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 4: It's a really far suburb of Chicago.

623
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's in these things where it's like it's

624
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: in the kind of I don't know, almost a borderline

625
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: of is it a suburb like it is it's a

626
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: place that sucks ass. Yeah, and no offense to anyone

627
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: living there with yeah.

628
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: No, like there are good people there, but it some

629
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: of them I assume are good people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So on on the fourteenth, a seventy one year

631
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: old man named Joseph Cuspa, who was the landlord of

632
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Speaker 3: a Palestinian woman and her son, and you know, okay,

633
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: so this story, this story just sucks. They had actually

634
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: so these this family and their landlord had been like

635
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: pretty close friends. Like the family had considered him like

636
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: like a like they considered him like a grandfather. And

637
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 3: this guy comes through the door and the six year

638
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: old kid runs up to go hug him, and he

639
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 3: stabs the kid twenty six times and kills him, nearly

640
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: kills his mom. He's screaming like the entire time about

641
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: like yeah, he's screaming, you Muslims have to die. You're

642
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: killing our kids in Israel. You Palestinians don't deserve to live.

643
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: And this is a I think this is a kind

644
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: of a kind of different kind of shoot of well

645
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: actually a different kind of like killing than the ones

646
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: we've been talking about, because this is a very sort

647
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: of like wake of two thousand and one killing where

648
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: you have this enormous, enormous spike in Islamophobia, very specifically here,

649
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: you have this incredible spike in in anti Palastinian racism,

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Speaker 3: and you have this this period like especially in the

651
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: week I mean, and this is still happening to this day,

652
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: but in like the week after, in the week after

653
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: this all started, you could say fucking anything you could say.

654
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: You could you could like you could talk about fucking

655
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: turning the Gauza strip the glass, like you could talk

656
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: about fucking dropping nucause, you could talk about killing every

657
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: single Palestinian on earth. And it was and no one

658
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: fucking said anything, right, all these fucking people, all of

659
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: these fucking all these fucking journalists said nothing. All Like

660
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: the president, Like, the President only starts talking about his

661
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 3: homophobia after this fucking kid gets stabbed the death and

662
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 3: you know, and this guy is listening to right wing

663
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: talk radio, which is why you know, this is like,

664
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 3: this is a this is an older like this, this

665
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: is a this is a specific kind of killing that

666
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: like I think is very very similar to the the

667
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 3: enormous number of Muslims who were killed. And I will

668
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: seek people too because these people are just really racist. Yeah,

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00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: and Palestenians people who were just killed right after nine

670
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: to eleven, because there's just this wave of the US

671
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 3: that gets into one of these sort of murder frenzies,

672
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: like one of these sort of racist frenzies.

673
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: And this kid.

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00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: Gets stabbed the death, and yeah, this guy you know,

675
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: and I mean and like I think, I think I

676
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: think about this case right like this is you know,

677
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: this is a radicalization in terms like in terms of

678
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: like going from going from literally like this kid is

679
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: running up to hug him because like he had built

680
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: like a treehouse for the family before this, right like

681
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: like in and over the course of like seven days,

682
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: this guy goes from that to like we need to

683
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: kill all Muslims. We need to like stab them to death,

684
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: right like it's it's horrible and and this is you know,

685
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 3: like this kind of stuff just keeps happening, and you know,

686
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 3: like the only time, the only the media literally only

687
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: covers this stuff like in terms of like, oh, it's

688
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: casting a Democrats support and it's like, you guys, just

689
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. The extense of which the media has

690
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: been utterly and completely complicit in anti Polsinian racism has

691
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: been appalling, and you know it's killed people now. Yeah,

692
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: and there will there will be no reckoning with this

693
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: because the US media does this ship all the time

694
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: and no one cares.

695
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: And yeah, by by a wide margin, the most disturbing

696
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 2: thing about this is just and I think what separates

697
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: this from the two thousand and one stuff, because this

698
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 2: version of this attack in two thousand and one would

699
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: have just been some racist stranger who saw, you know,

700
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: a Muslim person or just a person he assumed look

701
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: like they were Muslim and attacked but did not have

702
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: a relationship with them. This guy is super close to

703
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: this kid, right, This is like an example of how

704
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: fairly integrated this community was. And it's the again an

705
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: example kind of what we're seeing in most of these

706
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: other attacks we've talked about, except of that Nazi is

707
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: like these people who are a lot more normal. And

708
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: then I'm going to guess if we when we find

709
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: out more about the dude who stabbed that kid, a

710
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: lot of his drift happened after COVID, right. You know,

711
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: it's a product of this right wing media ecosystem that

712
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: again exists purely to do this sort of thing, but

713
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: it's also a product of COVID. Right, it's a product

714
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: of this lockdown that just fucking shattered so many people.

715
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 4: It's the one other thing I will mention because it

716
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 4: is relevant because the trial is starting. Is another extremely

717
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 4: targeted attack with the murder of Brianna Jai. Yeah, the

718
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: perpetrators were very familiar they were, they were interested in

719
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: killing her specifically because Brianna was trans.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if we talked about this

721
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: on the show that.

722
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 4: I don't think we did.

723
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: I don't happened.

724
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: No, But with with with with the trial happening, we're

725
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: we've gotten text exchanges between the two people who were

726
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: involved in the killing, and it's it's very very very

727
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 4: telling the way they were talking about Brianna like as

728
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: this as this like object and very very very specifically

729
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 4: like uh like almost like stalking and gaining familiar with

730
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: her specifically to kill her out of like fascination.

731
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Speaker 3: Oh wait, So so for people who don't know what

732
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: this is, Brianna was, I think she was fifty sixteen sixteen,

733
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 3: sixteen year old trans girl in the UK who was

734
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: stabbed to death by two other kids. And yeah, so

735
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: the trial's like happening right now and it's it's really

736
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: really fucking sucks.

737
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was, she was.

738
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Speaker 3: Killed earlier this year. Yeah, and yeah, I mean, if

739
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: you if you want to understand what transphobes think about

740
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: trans people, like those texts are as clean as an

741
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: example that you're going to get about how like all

742
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: of the fucking right wing media people and all of

743
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: the sort of like you know, like all of the

744
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: most sort of like absolutely like committed transphobes think about

745
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: trans but how they talk about us like in in

746
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: closed like like behind closed doors where they think you

747
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: will never see it.

748
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: And this this is just this is just how they talk.

749
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Speaker 3: About us, And this is what happens is people like

750
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: people fucking weirder trans people and yeah.

751
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then yep, all right, well folks, this has

752
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: been uh it could happen here? A podcast about terrorism? Goodbye?

753
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Speaker 4: Do we want to try to end in any literally

754
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: any other way?

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00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm you know, no, Garrison, We're not. That's the end

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Speaker 2: of the podcast. Goodbye.

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