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Speaker 1: So there is a video that a guy made that's

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Speaker 1: been going around and several listeners have sent it to me,

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Speaker 1: and it's a guy claiming.

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Speaker 2: To prove that the six hour P three trigger will

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Speaker 2: fire independent of being touched, which, as you can imagine,

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Speaker 2: is a huge problem. That's how somebody gets killed or

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Speaker 2: at a minimum severely injured. And I wondered, is there

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Speaker 2: anything to this? Why do people keep sending me this.

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Speaker 2: I've had some six hour, some former six hour partisans

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Speaker 2: telling me that this is very concerning and needs to

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Speaker 2: be brought to light. Now I've known some folks over

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Speaker 2: the years who are huge six hour fans. And then

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Speaker 2: and it turns out that there is a police officer

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Speaker 2: in Houston, thirty five year veteran named Richard Fernandez Junior,

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Speaker 2: who on January twentieth, twenty twenty five, he was working

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Speaker 2: traffic control for a parade and apparently his six hour

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Speaker 2: is filing lawsuit a lawsuit against six hour. This is

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Speaker 2: an issue. Six Hour has created a website called P

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Speaker 2: apparently quite a bit. There are lots of people claiming

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Speaker 2: this happened to them. Rick Fernandez, thirty five year HPD

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Speaker 2: officer is our guest. Welcome, sir, thank you tell me

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Speaker 2: if you would what happened. January twentieth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I work on a crime suppression team out

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Speaker 3: where we were at and UH, I came out, we

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Speaker 3: were told given our assignment, and we were told to

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Speaker 3: I think I started a point, but I heard of pops,

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Speaker 3: that I was starting to bleed because it was it

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Speaker 3: And I told one of the people I was working

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Speaker 3: So he walks me around to the driver's side of

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Speaker 3: at that point people started, I guess he radioed. People

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Speaker 3: confused because my gun never it never came out of

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Speaker 3: uh So, anyway, I was transported to Hermann Hospital and

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Speaker 2: Very well developed calves. How would you describe the development

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Speaker 2: do you fit in that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was a college football player and I am

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Speaker 3: I'm older now, but I am I am very much

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Speaker 3: I row a lot. So if anybody that knows me

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Speaker 2: If I'm walking along in short pants and I flex

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Speaker 2: a lot of times people will comment, wow, that's an

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I really I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: I I understand where you are. So so at what point?

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Speaker 2: So I'm thinking that the natural reaction for you never

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Speaker 2: Somebody shot me? No? Or was it angle?

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Speaker 3: And no, it was just it didn't. I didn't hear

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Speaker 3: And I'm not pulling it out. I'm not touching my gun.

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Speaker 3: How did it fire? That couldn't be my gun. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I felt a little recoil on

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Speaker 3: I was confused. I didn't feel like anyone was shooting

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Speaker 2: And you think that what sound dampened it? Yes, interesting, Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you might have I don't know, I'm just spitballing.

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Speaker 2: You might have gone in shock. Your body might have

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt I was in shock.

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Speaker 2: So they take you to the hospital, and my understanding

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the bullet goes through your calf down the

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Speaker 3: It lodges in next to my ankle.

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Speaker 2: Oh, is it still there now?

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Speaker 3: Yes, surgery to remove the bullet. Uh. And I was

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Speaker 3: Doctor Eastman, fantastic. Uh. And my leg looks it looks

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine what size round does that fire?

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Speaker 2: I look, I'm not the judge in your case, but

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine what level of anger I would feel

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Speaker 2: our show today on the morning program of Thursday, July thirty. First,

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Speaker 2: thirty five year HPD officer, claims that his six hour

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Speaker 2: leaving him permanently disabled. He has filed a lawsuit. Turns

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Speaker 2: Of particular concern is that this is not just Rick

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Speaker 2: We got him on just as our bump music started,

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Speaker 2: we talked for quite a while after that. So what

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Speaker 2: that we had with him. I hope that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. Sergeant Rick Fernandez, Junior is our guest.

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Speaker 2: He says that on January twenty, twenty twenty five, while

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Speaker 2: Police Department, a thirty five year veteran, his service weapon

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Speaker 2: discharged a six hour P three twenty So you you do?

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Speaker 2: You go, So, Scott Cisco, your lawyer, how did you

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Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, not a sergeant, just a senior

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Speaker 3: hard time. Yes you did.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, Okay, that's you know. So Uh, Yes, Scott

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Speaker 3: He's he also knows my wife knew her before we

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Speaker 3: I had to let him know. And yes, he is

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Speaker 2: And so you send a demand letter to them prior

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Speaker 2: walked me through how that has gone so far and

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Speaker 3: Well, I I was you know, talked contacted Scott, talked

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Speaker 3: because this does not need to happen to any other

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Speaker 3: You know, he's an attorney, so he did what he

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Speaker 3: I know you're an attorney as well. I don't know

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Speaker 3: after that, because you know, a lot of that was

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Speaker 3: This was a very much a mental injury. And you've

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Speaker 3: It was a very embarrassing situation for me. Happened even

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Speaker 3: though I didn't do anything wrong, and I was telling

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Speaker 3: I didn't do anything wrong. This gun fired on its own.

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Speaker 2: Six Hour rights the P three twenty cannot under any

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Speaker 2: This misinformation causes confusion and uncertainty among our valued customers.

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Speaker 2: And yet you're not the only person filing a lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: Two years ago, the AP reported that a lawsuit filed

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 3: What do you.

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Speaker 3: Well? I think first of all, they need to get

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Speaker 3: same story. And when I bought this gun, I had

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Speaker 2: I think I read somewhere that that you've only used

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Speaker 3: I carried a smith at Weston forty five six, and

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Speaker 3: it was a dependable gun. It was my gun. I

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Speaker 3: And so once I did purchase the SIG, you know,

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Speaker 2: Thirty five years. How long were you a bel Air

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Speaker 2: You've got you're going on forty years as a law

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Speaker 2: Interesting and if you what you're doing on on that

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Speaker 2: Well, if you've got a case with over one hundred

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Speaker 3: And you know, to hear what you're saying. SIGs response

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Speaker 2: One listener writes, SIG has a military contract for the

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Speaker 2: which is the P three twenty that you were carrying

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Speaker 3: Absolutely correct. We don't have time to direct that pistol.

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Speaker 2: Well. Officer Rick Fernandez Junior, First of all, thank you

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having me on