1 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Chris Harry with you on a new episode 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: of Chargers Weekly. We're on location this week from the 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Pro Bowl in Orlando and the Reese's Senior 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Bowl in Mobile, Alabama. Coming up, Eric Gauco of Optimum Scouting, 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: we'll share some names to know before this weekend's Senior Bowl. 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: We'll also hear from NFL Networks Brian Bouldinger, who recently 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: watched film with Pro Bowl running back Melvin Gordon. But first, 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: the voice of Monday Night Football, Joe test Ittour. All right, 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: my first guest on Chargers Weekly, Joe Testatur ESPN and Joe, 10 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: we didn't get to see you guys all Monday Night Football. 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that changes in twenty nineteen. So are we. 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: In fact, I just got out of a scheduling strategy 13 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: meeting that very much. We would hope for that to 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: be the case, and we are hopeful that will undoubtedly 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: be the case. There's obviously some attractive games out there. 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: What did you think of the Charge of season And 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: this is a team that we were just talking about 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: New England and in the loss and it shouldn't cloud 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: what was a great year, but that was the first 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: losing flight of the year. They were nine or no 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: getting on a plane heading into New England. But it 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: was a head of the year second year for coach 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: lind I was one of the few when you look 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: at that ESPN Master Grid who had the Chargers as 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: my Super Bowl pick. So I was watching the season 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: very closely. Here we God. I loved the roster that 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: was put together. I picked them I think in late 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: July when everybody's going into the training camp, and then 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: obviously there were a few critical injuries, but the fact 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: that they still fought through those injuries performed the way 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: they did. I thought Philip obviously had a magnificent year. 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: I thought that they showed the depth of the team, 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: and I just loved everything about them. I thought they 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: were coached extremely well. I thought they had all fight 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: to them. Obviously, you had an emerging block, seeming superstar 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: defensive rookie. You had depth at running back that as 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: we take this, Joe is right there exactly everybody is. 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: That's the problem with staying at at the Pro Bowl 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: credentialed hotel is that every conversation you have you're ten 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: feet away from somebody you're most likely talking about exactly. 41 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: And I love the season they had. I thought they 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: were a championship caliber team. I think obviously the road games, 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: the travel schedule, and what was asked of them in 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: that second week of the playoffs is a lot to 45 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: ask going up against you could start to make the 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: strong argument maybe the best sports dynasty that modern American 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: sports will ever known has ever known. Yeah, no doubt. 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: And you know it starts with the leader, coach Anthony Lynn. 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: And I know your partner, Jason Witton. Coach lind was 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: on that staff when Jason was there. Just your thoughts 51 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: on what he was able to do his first year. 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: You go nine and seven, you barely missed the playoffs. 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: You take a big leap. They're building a culture in 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Joe and coach is a guy that these 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: guys they'll run through a wall for. Yeah, there's no doubt. 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: I had a visit with him yesterday, I saw him 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: again this morning. I actually think he may be the 58 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: most grossly underrated coach in the entire league. I think 59 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: if it was another coach of another team in a 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: certain market. Obviously, what's going on in LA right now 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: with those two teams and the success they're having, there's 62 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot to discuss. Absolutely, Being a native New Yorker, 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: I know that if that was Big Blue and that's 64 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: what the coach was doing in his first couple of years, 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: I know exactly the way he would be thought of 66 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: league wise. So I think he's a phenomenal coach. I 67 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: think that the next few years are going to be 68 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: continued ascent. Obviously with a division rivals, that's going to 69 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: create some incredible matchups and competition. So I think he's 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: got him where you want him. And you're sitting on 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: the guy who if I'm buying a stock price in 72 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: the coaching ranks, that's the stock I'm buying. There you go. 73 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: And then the quarterback Philip Rivers just awesome. You know. 74 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: We talk about is this the best year he's ever had? 75 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: And he's had a lot of good ones, this may 76 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: have been the most complete year that he's had. Joe, Yeah, 77 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: I think there's an argument to be made for that. 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: And he's one of those guys. It's funny. Wilkaine and 79 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: I were just talking about this last week on his show. 80 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that, because of the generation 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, he happened to be born into you sit back, 82 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: and you got to really pull back and take a 83 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: closer examination as to his greatness. Yeah, I think he's 84 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: All of fame quarterback. I think he happens to be 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: playing in an era where there are a lot of 86 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks, including a guy that at this 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: point you start to put in the conversation in the 88 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: Annals of Sports History with Michael Jordan and Muhammad Ali, 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: because the conversation, the greatest quarterback of all the time, 90 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: to me is now over nine super bowls ends it. Yeah, 91 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: no matter what you think of his physical skills or 92 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: I like this guy's arm better or this guy better 93 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: in this aspect, it's over and Philip is right there 94 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: among the greats. You look at any generation and he 95 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: just happens to be playing in what I think we're 96 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: gonna reflect on ten years from now, twenty years from 97 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: now is the greatest quarterback era we've ever seen. Yeah, 98 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: it really is. If you when you're spanning Brady and 99 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: Manning Um all the way through Rogers and now what 100 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: we have with these this younger crop, it's the greatest 101 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: generation quarterbacks you'll ever see. That's the thing. Joe. You 102 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: know we're talking about a Rivers versus Brady match. What 103 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: are we talking about? It? We got s we got 104 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: my home. It's it's like it's just like this merging 105 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: of young talent and this Hall of Fame talent that's 106 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: still here. I mean, we talked about Drew Brees. We 107 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: could have had a Philips and Philip Rivers like where 108 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: do you stop? And when you're talking about tier two 109 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: being Ben Roethlisberger rings, he's got rings, plus he's got 110 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: the yards, but he's against all the yards although Philip Rows, 111 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is this is what the nineteen 112 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: seventies was for heavyweight boxing. Yeah, you know with Ali 113 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: and Foreman and Frasier and you know, the list goes on. Um. 114 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: It's insane when we look back at this generation what 115 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: we'll be saying from you know, the late nineties through 116 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: now and and the fact that some of these careers 117 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: are lasting that long. You know, Phillips career a decade 118 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: and a half, you know, into you know, what are 119 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: we doing here? It's it's unbelievable. And I think this 120 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: year probably more you know, you go back to maybe 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: six with LT and some of the receivers Gates in 122 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: his prime. But this year, I mean, we're seeing a 123 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: lot of guys that are here right in Keenan Allen 124 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: and Melvin Gordon, who's just phenomenal, phenomenal kids, just unbelievable. 125 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: So the progression of Melvin Gordon, you know, he got 126 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: yeah college game. He didn't catch the ball a lot 127 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: in college, and he has made a concerted effort to 128 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't really talk about carries anymore with Melvi. 129 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: We talk about touches. You know, he has been fantastic 130 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: out of the backfield. Just his progression from what he 131 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: was at Wisconsin to what he is now has been phenomenal. Yeah. 132 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: And really, what I would tell you about Melvin is 133 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: the kind of running back you need to win right 134 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: now in the league. It's it's what got have. He's 135 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: a three down back. Yeah, that's what offenses demand. Um. 136 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: You know, I think he's a perfect fit for what 137 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: the Chargers want to do. UM. And I think, you know, 138 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: I just start looking at them, and you know, Philip 139 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: even here and what you could say is the autumn 140 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: of his career still playing at this level. All the 141 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: pieces are there. I mean, all the pieces are there 142 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 1: right now, you go into the offseason feeling so bullish 143 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: and and feeling so confident, and as long as as 144 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: you found out this summer, as long as everybody Stulls healthy, 145 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: and obviously you got a guy who can be an 146 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: all pro tight end coming back to full health. It's 147 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: the offense isn't going away. The offense is not going away. 148 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: The defense to Joe, I want to talk about the 149 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: defense really quickly, because there's a guy that should be 150 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: here he isn't because he was hurt as Joey Bosa. 151 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: Of course, you know you got probably the best duo 152 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: of pass rushers in this league. You can make an 153 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: argument for chub and Miller, but when you get Ingram 154 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: and Bosa coupled with the rookie, what you think of 155 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 1: Darwin and Yeah, I think he's Yeah, he's a freak 156 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: of an athlete. Um the measurables, the ability um, the 157 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: ability to cover space but yell yet still be a 158 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: physical presence. UM. As much as we just had the 159 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: conversation of being a free down back and what the 160 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: league demands now, probably there's no position in the league 161 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: that has changed more than that position. If you can 162 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: have the rangy yet physical freak that can play in 163 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, walk into the box, support 164 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: the run, but still match up with anybody in coverage, 165 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: whether it's a big body tight end, which in this 166 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: day and age, these tight ends you're facing are so 167 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: athletic fluid. Kid, You see the strides that guy takes downfield, 168 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: how much yardage he gobbles up um and and how 169 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: fluid he is with that big body. Heck, I stand 170 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: next to in the booth every week, a guy that that. 171 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: I look next to him like, how did a safety 172 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: ever match up with this? Exactly? What is that? Well, 173 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: that same guy in this day and age is now 174 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: a little lighter, a little more down field, a little 175 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: more receivers, but it is still six foot five, six 176 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: foot six, and Derwin's ability to play that guy match 177 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: up with a receiver and still support the run and 178 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: be a force behind the line of scrimmage if he 179 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: chooses to be um and be capable in the open field. 180 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: You got to find that guy. Now, they don't grow 181 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: on trees. They don't got to spend first round picks 182 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: for them. That's why I'm sure you were got to 183 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: acquire that guy at seventeen overall, he's still sitting there 184 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: so steal because he's he's athletically and physically top five talent. 185 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: There are a few guys that you could you know, 186 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: you're always gonna get an edge rusher, a Bradley Chubb 187 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: type um who is just that level of physical freaking talent. 188 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: But you know Derwin is that yeah, positionless guy. Yeah, 189 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: that's that's really I think that's what it is. Though. 190 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: You don't have to come off the field, and you 191 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't come up the field. Yeah, I don't care for 192 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: in goal line or I don't care if for and 193 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: you know, obvious passing down. He's not coming off the field, 194 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: and no matter what the situation is, he's still your 195 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: best defensive player when he's on the field. Finally, Joe, 196 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: you didn't get to call it charges the game this year, 197 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: but this is probably the next best thing. You know, 198 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: we got the entire charges coaching stat thereto, We got 199 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: six players just in general just being around NFL greatness 200 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: all week. What does it mean to you guys? You know, 201 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: it's funny because I got up early this morning, I 202 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: worked out, and you're sitting there in the hotel gym 203 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: and you know, you sort of get into your zone 204 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: when you're working out, and then you look to your 205 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: left and there's Eric Weddle, and you look over here 206 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: and there's an all pro defensive end and you look 207 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: over here is Jason Garrett. And so it's motivating when 208 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: you're sitting there in the gym a little bit, you know, 209 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: just for your you know, you're lazy man, forty seven 210 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: year old workout and you got as proud of the 211 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Treadmill movie up a little bit right, So you know, 212 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of fun. It's great. It's great socializing. 213 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: We've all been through. You know. The NFL, as you 214 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: know you live in every day, is a killer be 215 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: killed league. Its piper competition. Whether you're an executive, a GM, 216 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: a team president, ahead coach and assistant coach, a player, 217 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: or one of the you know, one of the four 218 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: network prime time crews. Yep, it is highly competitive. The 219 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: scrutiny is unbelievable, the pressure, the spotlight that's on all 220 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: of us no matter what you do in this league. 221 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: The national relevance and how everything resonates in the level 222 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: of awareness and hyper attentiveness by everybody in our country 223 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: over the most scrutinized and most identifal identifiable entity in 224 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: all of American entertainment. When you live with that pressure 225 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: all season long, right through the playoffs, it's nice to 226 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: have a week where you can hang out in a hotel, bar, 227 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: a lobby, breakfast, have a coffee where it's only all 228 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: of us who have all lived it, and where you 229 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: can all smile and breathe and chill and relax at 230 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: each other on the back and be like, nice season, 231 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: good to see you. It was great. Hey, that was great. 232 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: You know that was great. And week four had had 233 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: awesome meeting with you. I had a good broadcast. I 234 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: loved what you did on the field. Hope you feel 235 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: good about it. And so it's it's a nice week 236 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: to be at the Pro Bowl. Is necessary. It's almost 237 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: like a retreat for all of us. Who are you know, 238 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: just getting all these NFL toxins out of our We 239 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: all needed it for a couple of days. Joe, gracious 240 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: with your time. Man. I have a sneaky suspicion we're 241 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: gonna be seeing you in twenty nineteen on a Monday night. 242 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: There's no doubt, and I look forward to it. It'd 243 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: be awesome. Thanks you right, do well at the team 244 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: Hotel of the NFC in the AFC with Brian Balding 245 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: or Baldy. This is a heck of a week because 246 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: it's an opportunity for you, I imagine to talk to 247 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: the best in the league. Yeah, well, we're we have 248 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: a show we're in our second year called Film Sessions 249 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: where we sit with a lot of these players and 250 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: coaches in these film rooms when we kind of learned 251 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: a position. So yesterday we spent a lot of time 252 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: with Melvin Gordon had about an hour at Melbourne. He 253 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: was awesome. Just huh, it was. I mean, because we've 254 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: had film sessions now, we never had a running back before. 255 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: It's our first back, so just you know, he runs 256 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: behind the eye with Derek Watt and shotgun with Philip 257 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: and he's such a valuable receiver at the backs, all 258 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: these different elements, Like you know, he said he used 259 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: to work out with the wide receivers at Wisconsin all 260 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: the time, just never threw them the ball. They had 261 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: all these players and they never threw them the ball. 262 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: So nobody knew he could catch the ball like he does. 263 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: They didn't have to, they didn't have to. I mean, 264 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: they were just a power run team and that's how 265 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: he won a Big ten and all that stuff. So 266 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: we learned a lot about with him. We're gonna sit 267 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: down with Melvin Ingram later today, and you know, he's 268 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: just one of the most versatile players in the league. 269 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: I remember talking to Gus Bradley about him, and you know, 270 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: he's been a mic linebacker on goal lines situations and 271 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: he'd never seen that before, you know, a starting defensive end, 272 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: outside linebacker playing the mic linebacker. But he's so good 273 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: at it. So you know, we're gonna spend the time 274 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: with him. And so we've had a great Jamal Adams 275 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: yesterday and Taylor Lawan when a bunch of guys were 276 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: sitting down with over the next couple days here and 277 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: then at the Super Bowl as well. That's awesome. So listen, 278 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: if you listen to this podcast, there's a high probability 279 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: that you know all about the Baldy breakdowns and Baldy. 280 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: Let's just talk about the Chargers thirty thousand foot of view. 281 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: They had a heck of a year thirteen and five 282 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: when you factor in the two playoff games. Just your 283 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: overall thoughts on how this team performed, especially on the road. Man. Well, 284 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: I mean they went on the road late in the 285 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: season of Pittsburgh to Kansas City, to Baltimore and they won. 286 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean it used to be they traveled east, it 287 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: was an automatic loss, you know. So I mean that 288 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: always shows you a sign of a veteran team, a 289 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: mature team, you know, a team that's pretty focused, well coached. So, 290 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: I mean, those were some huge wins down the stretch. 291 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: And then the other thing you know that they hadn't 292 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: been able to do for a long time under a 293 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: lot of different coaches was get off to a good start. 294 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: They go off to a good start this year, you know, 295 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: and so Philip just has that fountain of youth. You know, 296 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: they've gotten They had a you know, obviously, Derwin James 297 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: was just an elite draft pick and came in right away, 298 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: made an impact first team All Pro, first team All Pro, 299 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, as a rookie, and really and talking to 300 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: a lot of guys, not just about Derwin, but Jamal Adams, 301 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: some of these young players, like it's almost like it's 302 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: positionless football. You can line up almost anywhere. You can 303 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: put them at outside linebacker, at safety, in the slot 304 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: you can cover elite players. I mean, there's just so 305 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: many different things you can do with these type of players, 306 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: and you gotta their hybrids in a lot of different ways, 307 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: and it's really up to I think, creative defensive minds 308 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: on how best to use them. When you saw seven 309 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: dvs get shouted out there for the Ravens game, that 310 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: that second goal around against the Baltimore Ravens in the playoffs, 311 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: what was your reaction? Well, I, first of all, I 312 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: thought it was ingenious by Gus. Now, I don't know 313 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Jeff Davis Brown was heard. You had injuries, so maybe 314 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,359 Speaker 1: that was part of it. I don't know all the genesis, 315 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: but I you know, seven teams had had a crack 316 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: at Lamar Jackson in that running game, seven different coordinators 317 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of good ones, Greg Williams. 318 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: Nobody could crack it, you know. And so to see 319 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: them go with speed and then let the defensive line 320 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: just penetrate and create chaos and let the speed of 321 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: those defensive backs, Adrian Phillips, the whole group, Jalil go 322 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: after Lamar and Gus Edwards and the guys, it was 323 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: it was. I mean, they were the first team to 324 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: be able to crack the code they were and you 325 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: look at the five losses, three of them they avenged. 326 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: We talked about the Broncos and the Chiefs and the Ravens, 327 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: the Brady Machine. Though, you know, what are your thoughts 328 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: on just this Super Bowl matchup that we have with 329 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: the New England Patriots and and well, you're gonna give 330 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: the Patriots two weeks to get ready, you know, just 331 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: like they had two weeks to get ready for you. 332 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: And you know they created you know, they did a 333 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: lot of things. I mean, you know, they got physical 334 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: with your wide receivers, and you know, they didn't let 335 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: the backs come out clean and you know, I mean 336 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: they just did a lot of things. And you know, 337 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: they messed with the protections and Philip obviously was getting 338 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: frustrated at times. They had a lot of throwaways, so 339 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: you could just see, you know, this Rams offense that's 340 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: been one of the best offenses in football the last 341 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: two years. Are they gonna get those deep speedo routes 342 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: down the field the way they love to get them 343 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: against this defense? You know, they completely took Tyree Hill 344 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: out of the game last week and eliminated him. You know, 345 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: so they had a plan, so they're gonna have a 346 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: plan for the Rams. Yeah. I was joking with Mike 347 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Pouncey yesterday, say hey, this time next year, we want 348 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: to see you in Florida, but in a Super Bowl 349 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: in Miami, a little bit south. What do you think 350 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: the Chargers need to do? I think they're set up 351 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: when you talk about the job that Tom to LESCo 352 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: in his group have done with just identifying guys in 353 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: the late rounds, we talk about Austin Ekeler, undrafted, Desmond 354 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: King all Pro. You know, they've done a heck of 355 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: a job at identifying guys that they're gonna be able 356 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: to help this team for a long time. What do 357 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: you think they need to do bold to take it 358 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: to that next level get to the Bowl next year? 359 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: I mean, look, Gaming Square came in is a good player. 360 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: We don't know what Corey's gonna be like at this point. 361 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they just got to get bigger 362 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: upfront defensively, and is the draft to do it right? 363 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: It's a good draft to do it. I mean, it's 364 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: a strength to this whole draft. And I haven't begun 365 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: to really break it down, but everything I'm hearing right now, 366 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: guys down to getting ready for the Senior Bowl and everything. 367 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gonna be loaded with defensive lineman 368 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: and really, I just think you can never go wrong 369 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: by loading up in the trenches. You know, Philip is 370 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: going to come back, and obviously you know he had 371 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: a great year. But if you can get better up 372 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: front on the offensive line, you get better. If you 373 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: can get better up front on the defensive line, you 374 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: get better. We know what Joey and Melvin and Derwin 375 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: and those guys can do. Right now. If you can 376 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: find an elite corner, you know, you can't get enough 377 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: for those guys. So I mean, I think the receiving 378 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: corps is loaded. Hunter Henry comes back. The backs are good. 379 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: So I just think you can just load up in 380 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: the trenches and if you can get an elite defensive 381 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: back you know that can really lock up on the outside, 382 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: you could probably go there. Lessie don't want to ask 383 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: about is Anthony Lynn and just the job that he's 384 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: done over the last two years. He's got this unique 385 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: coaching tree Baldi with. You know, he learned from Parcels. 386 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh identified him as a coach early Mike Shanahan 387 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: and gave him his first job, but he's his own guy. 388 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: There's this authenticity in this leadership quality to coach Linda 389 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: that you can't you can't really quantify. I mean, these 390 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: guys will run through a wall of this guy. Well, 391 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: it's clear. I mean I think when he stands up 392 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: in front of the room, he has got everybody's attention. 393 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's testing him like Kenny Hannah. I mean, 394 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: I think there's a respect factor. You know. I was 395 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: talking to Melvin Gordon about him because he's the only 396 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: running backs coach, running back that is elevated to this, 397 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, to this position right now, and it was 398 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: really you know, he got the interim job and that 399 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: kind of put him on the map, and you know, 400 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: and I just think there's a toughness about him. Uh, 401 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna stay with the run. They're gonna be a 402 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: foundation to what they want to do. And I think 403 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: you got to have leadership qualities, and I think he 404 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: does it in his own way. I don't think he 405 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: has to raise his voice a whole bunch, you know, 406 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: to get guy's attention. I just think he knows how 407 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: to treat men like professionals that they are, but at 408 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: the same time be demanding. Yeah, I remember talking to you, 409 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: like the second day of training kid, he came out, 410 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: you were kind enough to chat with us for a minute. 411 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: How quickly does this go by for you? Man? We 412 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: were already at the Pro Bowl and now Super Bowl. 413 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: Just you know, it was funny, Chris. That was my 414 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: first training camp this year. So I was out there 415 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: at the NFL Network getting ready for inside training camp. 416 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: So I had a day and I went down here, 417 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: which was I think the second day. So it was 418 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: my first camp. I mean, I mean we're in late 419 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: July and here we are in late January, so six months. 420 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, lickety split, it's gone. Man, here we are. 421 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Hey. I always appreciate talking 422 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: to you. You're always gracious with your time. You do 423 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: awesome work. The Baldy breakdowns are my favorite. And hopefully 424 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: we have a good weekend here in Orlando. Man, yep, 425 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. Thanks all right, coming to you 426 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 1: from lad Peebles Stadium, Senior Bowl week here with Eric Gauco, 427 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: president of Optimum Scouting. You see him on stadium. We 428 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: did this last year I think exactly a year to 429 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: the day, and you broke it down for me. Brother. 430 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm doing, moll Man, I'm doing well. 431 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit chilly here in Mobile, but 432 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: overall it's cold as last year, right. I know. I'm 433 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: a west though, Yeah, no was so I'm always called 434 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: you just came from We just came from New England. 435 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: It was like six degrees for the divisional you know, 436 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: so this is like I should be worth shorts and 437 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: flip flops here. But listen, dude, this always starts with 438 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. It was probably a little bit more star 439 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: stud last year with with Baker and Josh Allen. But 440 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: I think you start with what Daniel Jones and Drew 441 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: Locke with the headliners here. Yeah, I think they're the 442 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: two best, and I think I think Andrew Drew Locke 443 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: has a chance to really, I think be a solidified 444 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: first round pick this week. I think he shows on 445 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: film and he almost declared a year ago talking to 446 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: teams based off arm evaluations, he's probably a Day two 447 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: pick safely. Last year. I think he's got all the 448 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: arm talent in the world, and when he's at his 449 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: best and comfortable, especially in the Red Zoe. He's got 450 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: such command of his velocity and I think he'll show 451 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: that this week. And I want to hate some measurables, 452 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: but he did have nine inchance, a little bit smaller 453 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: than the NFL teams want, and it's a real concern. 454 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: We'll see the ball comes off his hand too. And 455 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: I actually think for a strong arm quarterback like him, 456 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: and also Buffalos Tyree Jackson for example, two of the 457 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: stronger arms in this draft class, it being not great conditions, 458 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: a little windy little colt is actually good because they'll 459 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: show what they can do. I remember what four or 460 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: five years ago Jimmy Garoppolo came down here and his 461 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: quick release and how he cut the win at armed 462 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: talent really sold a lot of NFL teams. So I 463 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: think I think Drew Locke's the guy, and then Daniel Jones. 464 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: You know, we'll see. I'm not as high as some 465 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: other people on the industry. Are his analytics that we 466 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: use in our department or not not high on him either, 467 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: But he's got a chance to really impressed team, especially 468 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: in the interview process this week. What about the Auburn kid, 469 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: He was very highly taed to cover to the year. Yeah, 470 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: it sounds like he had a kind of an uneven 471 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: year at Auburn. Has a chance to kind of prove 472 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: himself this week. Yeah. I mean he came from the 473 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: Bailer offense, and he was a backup at Bailer and 474 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: he ran that kind of very simplistic offense. We've seen, 475 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: you know, Bryce Petty struggle to adapt the NFL from 476 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: that same offense despite having a lot of talent, and 477 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: I think Sidham had that same issues. And I don't 478 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: think Auburn did in him any favors in his time there. 479 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: I don't think they developed him the way I think 480 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: he hoped to become more pro style a quarterback. But 481 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: armed talent, he's got it. Mentally he's got it, and 482 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: overall his production and all of his tools again, look analytically, 483 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: they great up to be an NFL starter. I think 484 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: he had a chance this week interview wise to show 485 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 1: teams he can go beyond that Bailor and this kind 486 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: of simplistic Auburn offense that he was forced to run 487 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: there too. And again he's a guy that I think 488 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: done Day two of this draft. NFL teams want to 489 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: have him win, and I think for Locke, for Daniel Jones, 490 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: for Jared Sidham more than last year. These guys have 491 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: got to earn Day two spots or Day one spots 492 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: and then they can this week with a good week. 493 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: Will Greer western Gine. He's got a couple receivers here too. Yeah. 494 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: Where do you see Greer kind of fitting into this 495 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: equation with these quarterbacks? Yeah, he's really efficient in college. 496 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: And what I've learned over the years is that sometimes 497 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to overthink this stuff. Right, He's efficient, 498 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: he's accurate, he finished on the perimeter. He's got great 499 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: touchdown the field. He worked with speed receivers, slot receivers, 500 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: Gary Jennings here, big possession receivers, David Sills. He was 501 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: a tremendous right ziald prod with him his last two 502 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: years at West Virginia. I think Greer is so efficient, 503 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: he's accurate, he's poised, he's very confident for better or 504 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: worse sometimes. But I think the way he's displayed over 505 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: his college career, he's showed that he can be NFL quarterback. 506 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: Now is he's a starter, And if he's a starter, 507 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: maybe he's a Day two pick if he's not a starter. 508 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: But you guys see you want at some makes him 509 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: a fourth fifth round pick. But I think even that 510 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: question about whether it's a top end starter or not. 511 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: You know, the Eagles Nick Foles market value was probably 512 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: a second third round pick. Tyrod Taylor goes for a 513 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: third round pick. Those guys are backup quarterbacks. Lea's proceeded 514 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: by their team. So if you're a good backup quarterback, 515 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: you're still a third round pick. So I will greer 516 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: he's he's second third, fourth round guy, even though he 517 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: might have the highest upside of Daniel Jones, Tyree Jackson, 518 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: Drew Lock, etc. Let smooth the offensive line. Dillard from 519 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: Washington State seems to be the consensus. But there's some 520 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: other guys, a kid from Kansas State, Wisconsin, West Virginia. Yeah, 521 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: and he could just what's your take on this offensive 522 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: line group? Yeah, Dillard as a fan, as a favorite 523 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: of Jim Naggi, the execut record of the Senior Bowl. 524 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: He loves Andre Dellock talked to him a couple of 525 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: times about Dillard, and I think the way that Dillard 526 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: was able to move, the way he carries his weight, 527 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: the way he's able to be afficient kickslide pass blocker, 528 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: and that Washington offense especially have a chance a lot 529 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: of chances to do that too. But he's so efficient 530 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: as he works up field, and he's very decisive in 531 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: his click clack and getting up field and going to 532 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: the second level. But the other guy to watch is 533 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: Dalton Reisner of Kansas State. He played center and left 534 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: tackle in his college Can you play all five positions? 535 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: He played across the low absolutely. I think that's what 536 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: it's so exciting about him too. When NFL teams, you know, 537 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 1: they value left tackles and then centers, and then right 538 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: tackles and the guard spots. And he's played pretty much 539 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: everything in his college career at a very high level. 540 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: And mentally, again playing the center position, he knows how 541 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: to handle an offensive line group. And I think the 542 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: more and more we see NFL teams pay substantial amounts 543 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: of money for interior offensive lineman and centers, the more 544 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: guys like Dalton Riser and the draft ross are gonna 545 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: go high and more more. And we seen Quentin Nelson 546 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: his impact. I mean, he's sixth overall pick and people 547 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: thought that was crazy, would have been offensive rookie of 548 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: the Year. He could be abolutely Yeah, absolutely, and I 549 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: think he's shown that. Hey, even though offensive lines on 550 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: a sex and then take earlier in the draft, even 551 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: if you like Dalton Risen with the sixth overall pick 552 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: or seventh overall pick like Brian Bolaga, is still worth it. 553 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: I think he's that kind of guy defensive line. I mean, 554 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: you can go outside the Senior Bowl. There is a 555 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: ton of underclassman, but even the senior class there's a 556 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: ton of dudes who are your favorites. Yeah, best guy 557 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: here for our money is is Isaiah Bugs and Alabama, 558 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: Oh okay, and at Wands you know, Tuesday morning he 559 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: carried two hundred two ninety five pounds something like that. Um, yeah, 560 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: two ninety five. Like he's a linebacker. I mean he 561 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: looks the part that he could have twenty more pounds. 562 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: Who wants to, but he looks like, you know, a 563 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: real freak show of an athlete to kind of come 564 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: out here and move the way he does. And I 565 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: think at Alabama he's kind of Typecaspy, one of those 566 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, five technique, three technique hybrid guys who have 567 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: ATFL success. But I think he's a little bit different. 568 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: I think he's ability to rush the pastor to one 569 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: on one on one situations. I think he'll show that 570 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: in drills here at the Senior Bowl and like leading 571 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: the draft process that he can be a three technique 572 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: and be an upfield pass rusher. He could be a 573 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: five technique and eat two gaps. He can play defensive 574 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: end in some situations too. I think he's my favorite 575 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: guy here on the defensive line. What about the kid 576 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: from the U Willis, I think he's I think he's 577 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: just too interviews beginin had small entry coming up too, 578 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: but he's he's my favorite defensive tackle in this draft 579 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: class outside of the big big names of at Oliver, etc. 580 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: And the album I'm a Kid Williams. But you know, 581 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: Willis was so impressive this year and that's something the 582 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: NFL scouts. Another guy here, receiver Travis Folcom, similar situation 583 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: where kind of a one year breakout guy. And that's 584 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: such a heart evaluation for NFL teams because they haven't 585 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: seen these guys have enough reps and a lot of 586 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: times guys like Jerald Willis and again Travis folmull dominion 587 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: a receiver a one year breakout guy. They just haven't 588 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: seen the opposing team right for Jerald Will's offensive lineman 589 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: at a high level consistently, and they don't have the 590 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: instincts quite developed quite yet. So usually one year wonder 591 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: guys are guys that have to have a strong draft 592 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: process and using it a short year. But forgot like 593 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: Jerald Willison might be a first round pick. He's got 594 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: a show here in Mobile mentally and on the field 595 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: that he can handle top tier offensive lineman, get pass 596 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: rush early and be an NFL starter because NFL teams 597 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: don't take project defensive players in the first round. You know, Linebacker, 598 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: the linebacker position for the Chargers really got hurt by injuries. 599 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: You know, Kaiser White, a guy we talked about last year, 600 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: earned a starring role with the Chargers. Got her early 601 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: in the year. Denzel Perriman went down the Chargers best 602 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: run defender from the linebacker position. J Davis Brown got 603 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: her at the end of the year. What does this 604 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: linebacking group look like in your eyes? And you know, 605 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: just even outside the Senior Bowl, what's your take on 606 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: this position? Yeah, you know, it's amazing, even just three 607 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: four years. How the valuation of linebackers when we wanted 608 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: them is so different, right, you know, four or five 609 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: years ago, it was I want two two fifty thumper 610 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: to come in here and be effective run and if 611 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: he can pass cover a little bit, that'd be great. Now, 612 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: if you're over two forty, you gotta run a heck 613 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: of a forty to be impress for NFL teams. And 614 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: the one guy I'm excited to see is Bobby oh 615 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: Kirky from Stanford. He's a tremendous athlete really in this 616 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: have sometimes on film and needs a lot of instinctual development, 617 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: but as far as athletes, he can run latterly, he 618 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: could be a second round pick despite being really rob 619 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 1: because NFL teams need guys who are arranging. We saw 620 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: a lot of the Saint struggle with that and that 621 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: playoff him as well. Not having enough athletes at linebacker 622 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: to play the parimeter to match up against lot receivers 623 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: if need be to take running backs out of the backfield. 624 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: So so important athletes are so important linebacker. I think 625 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Okawa Ki from Stanford and Jermaine craft mensi State are 626 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: two athletes that are still kind of coming into the 627 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: rownant linebacker. But I have plenty of talent to work with, 628 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: and the NFL teams want to see those guys in 629 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: press here in Mobile. I talked to Dan Brugalo lesh 630 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: weak guy. Yeah, he's the best. And we talked about 631 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: this small school listen, I only get the best on Eric, 632 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, he's tied, he's tied. Um, but no. 633 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: We talked about Darius Lennard, the fact that he was here, 634 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: small school guy, and I asked him about this year's 635 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: Darius Lennard and he talks to me about the kid 636 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: from Delaware, Nazier Adelaide. Oh that's his guy. Yeah, and 637 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: he's I mean, it's it hurts me because I'm a 638 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: University of Delaware graduate and he really came into the 639 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: Blue Hens. We came in the year as a third 640 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: round great because of me, a Nasi Eldo, I think, 641 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: and that's pretty high. And I talked to Dane in 642 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: early Octobers like I think I get this guy first round. 643 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's how impressive his film was. And I 644 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: think he's still a little bit of work in progress. 645 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: He's a very athletic rangeie safety and at Delaware he 646 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to show kind of complex handling 647 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: different receivers and rout trees because that didn't face a 648 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: lot offensive like that in college. But have a chance 649 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: down here in the show. Not only is he a 650 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: special kick returner, we saw that playing Sports Center Top 651 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: ten highlights of his kick return where he ran through 652 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: three guys that's when a touchdown. But I think it's 653 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: ability to play free safety, which he is very very 654 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: good at and natural a being that kind of covered 655 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: three free safety, but playing strong safety, playing more in 656 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: the box, being decisive and those coverage reads outside of 657 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: the free safety role, because I think at Delaware he 658 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: got away with a lot of athletic ability, a lot 659 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: of range, and a lot of freedom in that defense. 660 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: Do we wanted to do in the NFL doesn't only 661 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: work that way either, And I think the team to 662 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: want to see him in mobile as well as in 663 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: the draft process, show them mentally he can play multipositions 664 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: because athletically he's a first round pick all day, Eric, 665 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: you and your crew, you guys evaluate thousands of these guys. 666 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: What value do you put on the Senior Bowl in 667 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: relation to the whole pie? Yeah, as far as you know, 668 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: how much of the Senior Bowl or all Star games 669 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: in general. Coming to the final evaluation, it's it's, you know, 670 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: not like a small percentage. But I value it very 671 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: highly in terms of reaffirming or questioning our evaluation in season, 672 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: And a lot of the people from the Green Bay 673 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: Packers kind of gmtree agree with that model in a 674 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: large part because you get a chance to see guys 675 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: here under the same circumstances, same situations, with the same 676 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: talent around them, and how do they perform. So no 677 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: longer as na see Ratlie a small school player with 678 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 1: small school film. He's here. He's in the mix now yea. 679 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: And for big school guys to Isaiah Bugs of Alabama, 680 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: he dominated or he's gonna dominate here against all these 681 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: other guys too. So you get a chance to kind 682 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: of get these guys in a fresh late and I 683 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: valued a lot. Our team takes extensive notes on practices. 684 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: We watched the film afterwards, we watched the game again, 685 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: not to change all evaluations in season, but it's a 686 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: really unique opportunity to kind of see these guys that 687 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: cleans late and see who stands out from the eye test. 688 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: So we value it is substantially. Is it easy to 689 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: get caught up though in like let's say, let's just 690 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: say a guy who you weren't high on all year 691 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: long off film just absolutely crushes this week. Like, how 692 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: do you will approach that in your overall evaluation? Yeah, 693 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: it's why, right, Why did the guys succeeded? Why did 694 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: the guys struggle down here? And you ask why, because 695 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: that's what we'really concerned about, not saying this guy's like 696 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: a first round think because he impressed the Senior Bowl. 697 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: But hey, this guy surprisingly was with struggling in past 698 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: Rush bowls. Look at the scouting report, asked the area 699 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: scouler did that kind of stuff, and say, hey, is 700 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: that the case on film? Maybe said a bad week 701 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: down here, And a lot of times when guys had 702 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: really surprisingly bad weeks. Injuries are at play, other stuffs 703 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: that play as well, so you can't wait two too much. 704 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: But again, I think watching left tackles move and passfaction drills, 705 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: you could see pretty quickly up close and personal, Hey athletes, 706 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: what are they look like? And I think the in 707 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: person aspect is really valuable. And then again the Senior Bowl, 708 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: it's always said, but it can't be said enough. Interviews 709 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: on the most important part of this process. And I've 710 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: spoken with ten guys so far. Our team spoke to 711 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: over twenty guys so far. And meeting these guys in person, 712 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: being here when they know it's a job interview setting, 713 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: it's not a casual situation. You get a lot of 714 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: good interviews out of these guys and get to see 715 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: who's a football player, who's just an athlete kind of 716 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: still finger himself out. So it's a good opportunity for 717 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: interviews as well. Yeah, it's cool because it's also it's 718 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: almost like a game week, right. You have you have 719 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: two pro coaching staffs. They treat this like a game week. 720 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: He got installs, you got everything going on during the week. 721 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: So you see how these young guys can get acclimated 722 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: to a pro locker room, right. And I think that's 723 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: why the forty nine Ers and Raiders coaching staff war 724 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: coaching here have a huge advantage because you get to 725 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: see these guys in their daily routine. They're up at 726 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: eight am going through film reviews and they see who's 727 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: there and who's late, and who's paying attention. And a 728 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: lot of NFL teams want to get that access all 729 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: the time and saying, hey, this guy Karen practice, did 730 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: he work hard? Did he did he learned the playbook? 731 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: I think that's really valuable because you again, we think 732 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: of football players as on Saturdays in college on Sundays 733 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: as just athletes, but their employees, right NFL teams to 734 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: no doubt, you know, I average NFL team is gonna 735 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: employ five of these guys next year per team. And 736 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: that's that's a big commitment. And you want to talk 737 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: have these guys as people and players because they're not 738 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: just signing them and valuing them and drafting them for 739 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, sixteen Sundays a year. Um, it's for you know, 740 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: the next three four years of the rookie deal. All right, 741 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: last thing, Erica, give me a few dude, say you're 742 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: just really high on coming into this process. We're taping 743 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: this on a Tuesday as the first practice starts. But 744 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: just a few guys that maybe charges finish you'll watch 745 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: on NFL that work throughout the week. One guy, and 746 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: he's a really highlight tight a player, but for us, 747 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: he's been a top five senior since the preseason rains 748 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: that way right now is Zach Allen from Boston College, 749 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: and he's a defensive end, defensive tackle, hybrid guy. But 750 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: if you speak with him, if you just watch him play, 751 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: he's so tough, he's sofas I talk to our area 752 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: scout saying, hey, I'm not really sure, he said, I'm 753 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: not really sure how we evaluate him where he's gonna play. 754 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, don't overthink it. This guy's a stud. He's 755 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: the guy that would be in a first round pick. 756 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: Three NFL teams to only hit a first round pick 757 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: last year. If he came out state in school, he'll 758 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: be a first round pick all day excited to see 759 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: him down here. And then I think, secondly, the kid 760 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: from South Dakota State, Jordan Brown. A lot of NFL 761 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: teams are really bullish on him. He moves so well, 762 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: and the Senior Bowl is a great job of uncovering 763 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: top small school corners. Every year we've seen a lot 764 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: of these guys go through the Senior Bowl and press 765 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: and want to be second, third, fourth round picks. I 766 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: think he's might pick this year to be a guy 767 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: that rise up to be a third fourth round pick. 768 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: He's fluid, he's athletic. NFL team to note about him 769 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: for three years out and he's impressed them every process 770 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: step of the way, so I think I'd be one 771 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: of the standouts with the Senior Bowl as well. I 772 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: love it. Eric Gauco Optimum of Scouting. Where can people 773 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: see your work? Brother? Yeah? Follow on Twitter at Eric 774 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: Alco also opum Scouting twitter handle is at optum Scouting 775 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: and obviously catch me on stadium and do some video 776 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: over there for NFL insider stuff. Man, So I appreciate it. 777 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: Always appreciate it that man. Thanks and that's gonna do it. 778 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: My thanks to Eric Gauco, Brian Baldinger, and Joe Tessa 779 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: Tour for joining me, and of course thanks to you 780 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: all for listening. Don't forget. If you like what you here, 781 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: be sure to give us a rating and review on 782 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. Please help spread the word. Have a great 783 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: weekend and until next time, I'm Chris Harry