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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson. And well it was a nice

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Speaker 3: quiet weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the weekend was quiet. Yeah, it's the dead period.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing going on in the league. This morning not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you live on the West Coast, you woke

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Speaker 3: up to some news.

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Speaker 1: Some news, to say the least.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers sending safety mink Of Fitzpatrick and a twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty seven fifth round draft pick.

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Speaker 1: Reportedly this yeh official yet to.

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Speaker 3: The Miami Dolphins for cornerback Jalen Ramsey and Johnny's tight

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Speaker 3: end and a twenty twenty seventh seventh round draft pick.

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Speaker 1: We have to spend next to no time talking about

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Speaker 1: the draft picks. I mean these are twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 1: pick swap. Okay, Miami made a little spare change there.

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Speaker 1: It's as close to a player for two player deal

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Speaker 1: as you'll see. I mean, it's a flat out player

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Speaker 1: swap and Steelers aside, Like when I did this on

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Speaker 1: my national podcast, I opened by saying one of these teams.

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Speaker 1: These teams are just in way different positions, you know,

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Speaker 1: like if you don't, we'll dig into the Steeler specifics.

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Speaker 1: Probably some Miami specifics too. But one team is very

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Speaker 1: cash strapped and pushed all their chips in to try

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Speaker 1: to win the whole thing and didn't, and now their

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Speaker 1: whole staff is very much on the hot seat. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Miami. And they told Jalen Ramsey, you

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Speaker 1: gonna find you. You have an excused absence. They basically

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Speaker 1: told Johnny Smith, we we got a lot out of

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Speaker 1: eighty eight catches last year, got a lot out of

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Speaker 1: him last year, but we don't have the money to

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Speaker 1: extend you, and we're gonna They're not stressing a third

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Speaker 1: or fourth pass catcher in that offense. So those two

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Speaker 1: leaving town doesn't surprise me at all. Minca leaving surprised me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't see that coming.

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Speaker 3: No, nor did I. And you know, at first glance,

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Speaker 3: I thought, boy, that's that opens up some holes. And

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Speaker 3: I started thinking about it. I'm like, Ramsey can play

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Ramsey can do. Let's start there.

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Speaker 1: What are they getting in Ramsey? So first off, just

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Speaker 1: I don't forget this. He went to Florida State as

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Speaker 1: a rare physical specimen that goes in the top five

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Speaker 1: four and all the versatility stuff, which I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to I think is a huge portion of this trade

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Speaker 1: started playing him in a wide variety of manners. Big

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Speaker 1: slot like, He's gonna play a ton of slot here,

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Speaker 1: He is now a defensive back, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a transition in college is very much

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Woodson at Purdue was a safety.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, right guys, right, they're like too big for

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Speaker 1: Cornery what people thought originally like, No, he can do it.

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Speaker 3: So I think that transition back could be a welcome

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Speaker 1: But when three corners on the field, I know exactly

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Speaker 1: This is a direct replacement. Like just one way of

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Speaker 3: Oh Ramsey versus Bishop is night day.

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Speaker 1: I mean pro bowler versus borderline roster playing free time

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Speaker 3: Since twenty seventeen, there have been three defensive or two

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Speaker 3: one is Jalen Ramsey, the other one is making Fitspatchery.

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Speaker 1: Not surprising. Okay, that makes some sense. So where I'm

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Speaker 1: They were at the absolute top of the league in

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And I think you know, and you

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Speaker 3: you're downgrading at safety. But what's the least important position

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Speaker 1: It's very much an Omar Khn money situation to me too,

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Speaker 1: do it all Joey Porter's next contract. Because you can

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Speaker 1: get safeties. I mean, I'm not applying to even do this,

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Speaker 1: And if thorn Hill's your worst quote defensive player that's

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just gives him so much more versatility,

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Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick go right, I don't think he did any wrong.

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Speaker 1: Why I want and some had be money too.

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Speaker 3: When we talked about, yeah, the potential for signing or

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Speaker 3: trading for Ramsey, I should say that was the flying

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Speaker 3: the ointment for me when you brought it up and right,

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Speaker 3: they can't afford.

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Speaker 1: It, right because they still probably wanted to add a receiver,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't know John Smith to be coming back to. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: What he'd eaten up the entirety of what they had

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, now with.

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Speaker 3: The trade to make a Fitzpatrick, you cleared cap space.

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Speaker 3: You took on a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But there's a little bit of dead money involved, but

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Speaker 1: not much much, and most teams have way more than

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Speaker 1: what stealers haven't done. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, and Ramsey's actually under contract through twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty nice, and I assume they plan on

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Speaker 3: And according to spot track, with with Ramsey, the cost

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Speaker 1: I know he's making a big buck this year, but

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Speaker 3: According to spot Track, the base salary and they're estimating

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Speaker 3: this now is two point seventy five.

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Speaker 3: His campit after the adjustments is seven point four million.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. Okay, now I thought it was much worse

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, some of the money stuff is

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Speaker 3: We don't we'll find out once all the drink details, right.

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Speaker 3: But next year, then the base salary is ten million.

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Speaker 1: I'll do that all day long. He has a even

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Speaker 1: if him and Mak are equal players, you're saving there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a game by game roster bonus of

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Speaker 3: seven hundred and sixty five thousand dollars. But even at that,

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Speaker 1: Point three Okay, it's not crazy.

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Speaker 3: And then twenty point five in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: So the money stuff is what I'm not I'm unclear

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Speaker 1: of because it's happened recently and that has all gone through.

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Speaker 1: But the scheme stuff to me screams, well, let me

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Speaker 1: I've been really on two bandwagons of these are things

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Speaker 1: that have to get better. And on offense, I need

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Speaker 3: Oh but he catches fifty.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't have them quick hitting me to death,

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Speaker 3: Let's get through a break. When we come back, we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about the Johnny Smith option of this trade. He

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Speaker 3: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lullie. You're listening to

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Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 2: and Golds in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and we talked about the acquisition of Jalen Ramsey.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk now about Johnny Smith. Yeah, and what he

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think he's just like a throw in,

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Speaker 1: like not a big deal. No, this is a big

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Speaker 3: Six three, two hundred and forty eight pounds. Now, that's

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Speaker 1: I would bet he's lessons opposed to more just the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: He ran a four to six two with the combine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: He's a super athlete. He's really athletic, yes, and hasn't

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Speaker 3: By the way, folks, the athleticism is similar to a

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Speaker 1: Right right, they're good, Well, all right, let's get it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, had two tight ends right right, right right? What

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Speaker 1: Right, or the third guys your special team or doesn't dress.

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Speaker 3: Right now, he's gonna say he's going to identify the

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's coming, it's coming. I mean, read the writing

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Speaker 1: hard to get on the ground as his Friar Mooth,

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Speaker 1: as his Washington, as his metcalf On in breakers, you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm aligning Johnny Smith in the slot next to DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 1: I mean that size.

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Speaker 3: Let Johnny Smith clear out the underneath and here comes it,

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Speaker 3: Here comes DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now you got a clear throw, absolutely clear lane.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're just big bodies picking for each other

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Speaker 1: on a on a basketball court in Washington and Friar Mouth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's serious beef. Another complaint I've had about

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Speaker 1: the Steelers red zone offense, Well, you're at you got

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Speaker 1: big red zone weapons now, I mean their red zone

448
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Speaker 1: offense was at the bottom of the league last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Johnny Smith has two years in his career, two

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Speaker 3: different seasons where he's got eight touchdown passes.

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Speaker 1: Really including last year. Okay, I mean he caught eighty

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Speaker 1: eight balls and eight touchdowns last year as the number

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Speaker 1: three receiver in Miami. You know, he's not a throw

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Speaker 1: in at all. He's going to be very productive here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure Rogers is going to look at this

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Speaker 3: and anytime he sees a linebacker on Friarmuth or.

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Speaker 1: Or Smith or Smith, yeah look out or Warren or yeah. Yeah. Really,

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm sitting here thinking the variety. It's not

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Speaker 1: just Metcalf now and then the Pips, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you got a lot of different varieties. And to your point,

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Speaker 1: coverage linebackers are a real shortage in the NFL right now.

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Speaker 1: There's not many warners out there.

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Speaker 3: And if they are, if you're putting coverage linebackers on

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Speaker 3: the field, guess what, right, you're not gonna be as

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Speaker 3: good as against against a run.

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Speaker 1: And thirteen personnel. Whether Friarmuth and Smith are Mark Bavarro

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Speaker 1: or Mark Brunner blockers, doesn't matter. They're they're blocking safeties

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Speaker 1: and corners at that point if you're gonna play a nickel.

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Speaker 1: You know. So both these acquisitions, the two players they added,

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Speaker 1: do a lot of different things, I mean to me,

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Speaker 1: to your point last segment, Okay, they didn't make a

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Speaker 1: lot of coaching changes, but they know scheme things needed

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Speaker 1: to change, so you get players that can do more things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, right, you're building this offense into what

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith his vision is and.

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Speaker 1: A lot of good movement blockers. To your point too,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I expect it to look much different.

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Speaker 1: I expect to look much different. And the guy pulling

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Speaker 1: the trigger is always going to have you in the

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Speaker 1: right play and always going to go with the right

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Speaker 1: player to football. He may not throw it like the MVP.

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Speaker 1: He might not move like the best quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: league anymore is a pretty damn good, but he's in

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Speaker 1: a beat, a pre snap a lot, a lot a lot.

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Speaker 1: I would still be in the market for a Gabe

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Speaker 1: Davis too, I mean I think something like that could

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Speaker 1: still happen, you know, just an outside bigger, somebody bigger

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Speaker 1: than and Wilson. They may not be done on offense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing this does you know when you

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Speaker 3: when you look at it. They just one of the

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Speaker 3: things that Rogers is really good at is as quick.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the quick game is a quick game. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: still great.

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Speaker 3: And the and the snapping the ball when the defense

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Speaker 3: is making changes.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you've got guys like John U. Smith Pat

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Speaker 3: Fryermouth on the field, you don't need to change based

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Speaker 3: on down in distance.

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Speaker 1: No, right, right, right, But the defense might, the defense might,

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Speaker 1: and Rogers is gonna catch him. Rogers gonna catch him.

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Speaker 1: He's the best ever at that. And this offense because

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be unorthodox by NFL standards. I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be defenses. Should we be a nickel now or.

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Speaker 3: Should we be in you know, it's gonna be confusion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you're gonna see a wider

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Speaker 1: variety of offensive packages, even more thirteen personnel. Washington's already

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Speaker 1: hard to play against, yeah, because he looks like Jones

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Speaker 1: and you can still catch passes. He's not just like

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Speaker 1: what's his face? The lead RICARDA Ricard is really an

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. He's a guard that runs around where Washington's attack,

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Speaker 1: catch the ball and make a concerted effort for him

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Speaker 1: to get the ball in.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that Rogers said in mini camp

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Speaker 3: that really stuck out to me was it Washington reminds

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Speaker 3: him of Marcedes.

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Speaker 1: Lewis, who's still in the league at three years old

519
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Speaker 1: and was a pass catching the first round pick.

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Speaker 3: He was a threat.

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Speaker 1: He was a threat who's a massive. People might not

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Speaker 1: take that as a compliment. That's a compliment. Marcedes Lewis

523
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Speaker 1: was like the biggest tight end the league, first round pick,

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Speaker 1: smartest could be unorthodox, and that he is such a

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Speaker 1: great blocker but can do more than enough in the

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Speaker 1: passing game to still be out there as one year

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Speaker 1: five eligible. You know, if he has anything close to

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Speaker 1: Marsides Lewis, like career, sign me up for.

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Speaker 3: That back of an under Like So, let's say you

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Speaker 3: have you have Connor Hayward. You're in twelve personnel. Hayward's

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Speaker 3: on the field. The first player you line them up

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Speaker 3: as a fullback, right, the next play you detach him.

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Speaker 3: So now you're technically in thirteen. Right, the defense has

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Speaker 3: to make a switch.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's just.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be an undrum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not even sure how much Hayward will

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Speaker 1: see the field with those guys ahead of him. But

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Speaker 1: Smith creates that himself, right. I mean, the Niners were

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Speaker 1: very much a three wide team, you know, throw it

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Speaker 1: all over the place, quick hitters or not. Niners, Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry who came from the Niners? And Smith wasn't

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Speaker 1: lining up in line and blocking people. He was their

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Speaker 1: third receiver, Yeah, I mean he was.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have a third receiver.

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Speaker 1: They have a third receiver. And it became yeah two, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had two and and really for a lot of

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Speaker 1: the season and one right exactly. So Smith and himself

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Speaker 1: is one of those guys that even if you're in

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's him and Washington, Friar Moose on

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Speaker 1: the sideline whatever, they're all going to rotate to count

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Speaker 1: that as twelve. And if you play your bass or

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Speaker 1: you're getting him on a linebacker and all the time, right,

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Speaker 1: And if you're gonna play Nickel, well you're gonna be light,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, And people will probably match him

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Speaker 1: with Nickel, they'll probably count him as a receiver. But

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Speaker 1: as receivers go, he's a monster and a blocker, you

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Speaker 1: know for dbs, you know, so it's just one more layer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt. Yeah, I just think they became

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Speaker 3: much more difficult to defend. Yeah, and I think the

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Speaker 3: defense got an upgrade.

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Speaker 1: I do too.

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Speaker 3: Overall, I do too.

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Speaker 1: I think you got two good players, one great player,

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Speaker 1: one really good player for another great player. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: way more versatility. And Okay, it costs you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of money and you got two years older on defense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but I can always find a safety. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: I'm light, I'm talking about off season needs. If I

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Speaker 1: if I have one need on defense and it's a safety,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't matter, You'll use a second round pick and

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Speaker 1: get the second best one in the draft an a year,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: And this kind of closes, to a degree the revolving

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Speaker 3: door that they've had opposite Joey Porter Jr.

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Speaker 1: Right, I want to mention that too, like who better

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Speaker 1: for Porter to continue to learn from? And maybe a

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Speaker 1: pick next year? Ramsey? How many Pro Bowls have they

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Speaker 1: gone to together? How many picks do they have? And

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Speaker 1: highlights and money in the bank and all that stuff too.

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Speaker 1: And again I I don't I'm not on board. And

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Speaker 1: I'll never say Minko was losing it. That's why they

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Speaker 1: dumped him, because we said that a thousand times that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he didn't pick the ball off as much, and there's

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Speaker 1: many many receipts, as the kids say, of me being

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Speaker 1: and sitting in the seat going man, Minka is not

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Speaker 1: the problem guys, right, I mean, they lost a very

588
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Speaker 1: good football player, don't get me wrong, but they don't

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Speaker 1: want to play single high as much. I mean, they

590
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Speaker 1: don't want to be as predictable on defense, and corners

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Speaker 1: are way harder to find. If Ramsey and Mink are

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Speaker 1: both a ninety out of one hundred grading scale, Ramsey's

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Speaker 1: still harder to find, you know, he just is.

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Speaker 3: He's just not going to be able to acquire, right,

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Speaker 3: that kind of cornerback, with that kind of talent.

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Speaker 1: And look at on my first round corner's bust and

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Speaker 1: you know, you know what you're getting. You know what

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Speaker 1: you're getting right, Same thing with Slay what you're getting right.

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Speaker 1: I don't love their age, you know, big picture, but

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Speaker 1: folks are trying to win now while preparing the nests

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Speaker 1: for next year. That's really hard to pull off. But

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Speaker 1: they're in a really good spot to do it.

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Speaker 3: They really are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are much better than they were three months ago.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about that and those kind of implications when

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Speaker 3: we come back. He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the Drive. You're on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt,

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Speaker 3: and I'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: show on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 2: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. And well, it's obvious, Matt that the Steelers

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Speaker 3: aren't just looking at this season as a throwaway season.

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Speaker 1: No, you don't add Ramsey, Slay Metcalf and Aaron Frickin'

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Speaker 1: Rodgers to the team if you don't think you can

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Speaker 1: compete this year, right, And they've done it in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: so expertly. I don't know. I'm saying they will win.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. The AFC is tough, I mean, but

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Speaker 1: I think they're a better football team now than they

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Speaker 1: were the last version we saw absolutely. And what I

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Speaker 1: was saying about the expertly doing things is they still

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Speaker 1: have what twelve picks next year? Yeah, and as it sits,

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Speaker 1: and I need to look at this in a day

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Speaker 1: or two when it gets updated, a lot of cap

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Speaker 1: space for next offseason two. Like you can. It's hard,

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Speaker 1: but you can. You can walk this fence of being

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Speaker 1: a better team now with some older guys, some established dudes,

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Speaker 1: and still having a bright future. This isn't pushing your

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Speaker 1: chips in. No, Like, this isn't.

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Speaker 3: What Miami did, No, and got themselves in the cap trouble.

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Speaker 3: This isn't what Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Did, right, Kshaw Watson deal right.

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Speaker 3: They totally blew all away all the draft.

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Speaker 1: Picks, or like the Rams after year trading the first

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Speaker 1: round pick. I mean, they got sup Bowl out of it,

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Speaker 1: but they pushed all their chips in they happened to win.

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00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: Steelers really haven't pushed any chips in. They just have

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Speaker 1: different better players. Yeah, you know, I'll take it.

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Speaker 3: And this is what you should expect to me from

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Speaker 3: your franchise, the team that you root for. I want,

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Speaker 3: if I'm a fan, my team to be competitive year

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Speaker 3: in and year out.

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Speaker 1: Right, this is way better than trading Cam Hayward TJ

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Speaker 1: Watt and not in starting Mason Rudolph and trying to, oh,

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll get the third pick in the draft and

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Speaker 1: get a franchise quarterback. I want to get to the

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Speaker 1: fifth pick in the draft, get a franchise quarterback and

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Speaker 1: insert them into this environment with Watt and Hayward and

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Speaker 1: these guys, you know what I mean, coming off a

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00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: winning season, that's how you do it.

652
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you do still have a bunch of young

653
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: players on this team. Yeah, and if you start showing

654
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: them that you were going to accept losing.

655
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: Right, you can't in that, right, you know that, you know,

656
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: Joe Green to Aaron Smith to Cam Hayward, don't think

657
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: it's okay you're the next one in this room. We're

658
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: not going to be you know, you don't tell the

659
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: rest of the line, and maybe we'll just lose this year.

660
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is going to be I think my thirty

661
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: fourth season covering the Steelers. They've had three losing seasons Spunkers,

662
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: yeah in those years. But I'm old enough to remember

663
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: the eighties, Yeah, five and eleven and what that felt.

664
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: Like, right right right? And you know how that even

665
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: when they quote bottomed out, it wasn't that bad. No,

666
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was five wins, six wins, seven wins,

667
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: and you know it was still pretty crazy. That's another

668
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 1: topic altogether, But I've been saying this too, like, I

669
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: know some people want change and you know all this. Yeah,

670
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: let's let's trade all the old guys start over. Well,

671
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: that ain't happening. First of all, you lost that battle.

672
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: But come talk to me around November when they have

673
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: two losses and what your tone would be. Yeah, you've

674
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: never seen it. None of you listening have ever seen that.

675
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Imagine what you think the sky is falling after? Oh,

676
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: they lost three games in a row. You're two and eleven,

677
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: pretty bleak, pretty bleak, and you're battling the Browns or

678
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: bottom of the of the the division and barely beating them.

679
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be real thrilled, folks.

680
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: No, you will not. And I see it a lot,

681
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: you know when I go out on the road to

682
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: different to different venues. Yeah, what it's like in some

683
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: of those stadiums. That's why it's got to be hopeless

684
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: Steeler fans are able to take over.

685
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, right, because those teams have no hope. Yeah,

686
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: you go to Atlanta. I mean, they've been an okay organization,

687
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: but they haven't won anything and they're not an upper

688
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: tier I'm sure by week six and when they're two

689
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: and four. People like, all right, go watch Georgia Tech

690
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: or Georgia different to do, not ragging on the Pirates.

691
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: But we see how that goes here. I mean, no,

692
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't think the Steelers could ever be the Pirates

693
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: where it's decades and decades of being terrible. But there's

694
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: no reason to have one's in that way.

695
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: No, you're right, No, it's not acceptable.

696
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: No, because why would you? I mean again, because you

697
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 1: have the resources to accomplish your goal next year. Still,

698
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be different if this pick. You know,

699
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: they didn't trade makea and instead they traded a second

700
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: and two thirds. Oh well, that's a different story, right,

701
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: that's a different story.

702
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: Mortgage some of that future, right right right? You had

703
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: lined up to help you acquire a quarterback.

704
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you gave it.

705
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: None of that.

706
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: You gave up some cap space and a player that

707
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: you love. I mean, I'm not dismissing the loss of Maca.

708
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: It's a big deal.

709
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. In terms of what this means for tj W, Yeah, nothing.

710
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: I think it makes a difference at all. No.

711
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: I think negotiations stay exactly the same and it gets done.

712
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: And I think you're showing TJ what, hey, we value you,

713
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: they could trade what? Oh yeah, I'm sure they got offers.

714
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean schefter just reported a couple of

715
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: hours ago or whatever that teams have been trying to

716
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get TJ. Watt and Steelers

717
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: aren't interested. That's what you want to hear?

718
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 3: Right, No, wonder what because all here in Pittsburgh he's

719
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: washed up, you don't pay him, blah blah blah. No,

720
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: he's still a very good football player.

721
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: Yes, and because of this move that's trade and some

722
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: other things slay, I think they're going to free him

723
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: up more, you know what I mean, Like they're going

724
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: to get back to or doing everything they can. And

725
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: I approve everything they have done of getting back to

726
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: leading the league in sacks.

727
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: This also shows what, hey, look, we are in this

728
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: to win.

729
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Now, I mean how many playoff games is

730
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: what won her? Right? Right? He wants to do both too,

731
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, right? I mean he said that many times

732
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: like people. I remember, I think it was this passed

733
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: off season one before TJ. Now you're considered one of

734
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: the best defensive players on franchise history, which is an

735
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: amazing accomplishment in this franchise. He's like, yeah, but they

736
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: all have I'm not in that group. You're right, No,

737
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: you're not. I mean he might be on the field,

738
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: but you don't have four rings.

739
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 3: So what do you think this makes this team's ceiling?

740
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: I think the.

741
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: Ceiling of the defense is the best in the league.

742
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: And leading the league in sacks and leading the league

743
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: in all big plays, that's the ceiling. Yeah, I'm like, now,

744
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: that's the highest ceiling anyone could hit.

745
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: I think the floor is like a top five defense.

746
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I mean, even if two or

747
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: three guys get injured, you handle it. They got depth

748
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, And you could lose Queen and Sleigh

749
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: and we did our top twenty five, that would change

750
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: drastically now, like a lot of the defensive guys.

751
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: Would redo the We might have to do that Top

752
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: twenty five.

753
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: Thursday or next week or whatever. But all of a sudden,

754
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: I can weather a storm where you lose Cam or

755
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: TJ or Queen anyone on defense. Now, I mean, my

756
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: defensive guys on the top twenty five list would probably

757
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 1: all fall a little, maybe not Watton Hayward, but there's

758
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: so much depth across the board with the exception of safety.

759
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: But Ramsey can play safety, and you find a safety,

760
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: you might sign Blackman in tomorrow or something. You know

761
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: that you can really weather that storm and they can

762
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: attack so many different ways. Now. I don't know what

763
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: to make of the offense. I mean, I think it's

764
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: in better hands than it was. Like Metcalf first pickings

765
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: is kind of a wash, but I prefer or Metcalf.

766
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: John Who's something they didn't have before. Roman Wilson is

767
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: still an unknown that you didn't get anything out of

768
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: last year that you'll get something from. I like the

769
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: running back room for this scheme better. I like the

770
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: quarterback better.

771
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: I like to start income offensive line.

772
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: O line depth still worries me. But it's just an

773
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: NFL problem. And if things go off the rails this year,

774
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: I bet it's because Fraser and Fotan who got hurt?

775
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Something like that, like all

776
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden.

777
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: There's a situation where you could use some of those

778
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 3: picks next year.

779
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's gonna happen, no matter what.

780
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: A fifth round pick for who is it Cam Robinson?

781
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 3: They got traded?

782
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, someone like something like that. I

783
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: know they won't make a deal with the Browns. But

784
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: I bet the Browns are trade and Wyatt Teller at

785
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, you know, something like that, because they're

786
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: hopeless at that point. Now, Linemen are hard to find.

787
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: Can this Steemen the Super Bowl? That's just it's a

788
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: monster ask.

789
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: I think they are an AFC Championship contender.

790
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: I do too. Can Rogers on his best day hang

791
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: with an Alan or Mahomes? Yeah, I can write that story.

792
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't with Wilson, and I definitely couldn't with Fields,

793
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: pick it, et cetera, et cetera. But on his best day,

794
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: can he hang with those guys?

795
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: Because the defense defense also gives you a chance against those.

796
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: Guys Like I keep thinking about the Broncos team that

797
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was a total shell of himself hands, but

798
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: he's still awesome for the neck up, so he did

799
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: all those things. Now, I think it's it wasn't that

800
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: long ago. I still think it's harder to win that

801
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: way now than then. You know, Trent Dilfer is not

802
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: winning a lot of Super Bowls nowadays, you know, I mean.

803
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: And Shelton Pagers ain't Trent Dilfer exactly inexactly.

804
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is the legion of

805
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: Boom the Bucks D when Brooks and Sap and those

806
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: guys are there, that Ravens D with Lewis that Broncos

807
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: D with Manning. Could this Stealer D be in that neighborhood. Yes, yeah,

808
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: I just don't know if that is enough to win

809
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl in today's NFL. You still are going

810
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: to have to put up twenty three consistently. You know

811
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

812
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: Well, they averaged about four more points per game last

813
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: year than what they had averaged in twenty twenty three.

814
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: We'll seem to don't not remember that.

815
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: People, this offense looked the same, It didn't look all

816
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: the same.

817
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: Well, it did, right, more points of game more they

818
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: were Arthur Smiths, just like the guys behind it before.

819
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: Scoring two years ago they were sixteenth, seventeenth, I think

820
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: last year. If you can even get that even a

821
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: little bit more, a little more and I'm saying average,

822
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: are point more average twenty four, twenty four and a

823
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: half points a game, twenty five points?

824
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you score two more touchdowns on defense. Now, yeah,

825
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: over the course of the year, and your special team

826
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: still is top five ish. Okay, you know in the

827
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: margins they're really strong. Yeah, you know that type of stuff,

828
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: the Boswell factor, blocking kicks, that type of thing. I

829
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: don't know the ceiling of the offense. I do know

830
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: the ceiling of the defense, and I think it's the

831
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: best in the league. Yeah.

832
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: If the offense, again, we've We've said this over and

833
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: over again. If it can be I'm not even gonna

834
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: settle for league average, yell. If it can be twelve,

835
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: top fifteen somewhere, yeah, slightly above league average. I think

836
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: you have a chance to be a really good football team.

837
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. That would start with the run game. Yeah yeah,

838
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean and again.

839
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: Control the clock, yep. Let Rogers make those two or

840
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: three big passes per game when you need a big

841
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: first down where you need a touchdown in a situation. Yeah,

842
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: he can still do that.

843
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah again, get me to four point three per carry,

844
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: be a top five team and carries throughout the year.

845
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: Another weird thing I've been meaning to bring up that

846
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: have this more and more Rogers homework I do. He's

847
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: he is a benefactor for time and possession too, because

848
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: what he wants to do, he doesn't want a lot

849
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: of motion. He doesn't won a lot of bells and whistles.

850
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: Manning didn't either. Manning wanted Marvin on one side, Wayne

851
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: on the other. Static. I'm just gonna poker players sit

852
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: at the table, read the defense as long as I can.

853
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: So he often snaps the ball very late in the

854
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: down is where I'm going with this too. So Rogers

855
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: teams benefit from more time and possession because the clock's

856
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: ticking while he's just sitting there diagnosing too. And if

857
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: you run the ball, you know, and you got a

858
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: deeper defense. Good on teams for you know, field position

859
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I'm really intrigued.

860
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: I think this is an eleven or twelve win team.

861
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: Now I do too.

862
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: Is that gonna be good enough? Maybe it's better the

863
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: Ravens are still good?

864
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah.

865
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: But do we think the Ravens are gonna sweep the

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Speaker 3: Steelers this year?

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Speaker 1: No? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Do we think the Bengals are going to sweep the Steelers?

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Speaker 1: I bet the Steelers win four games in division?

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Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are going to sweep the Browns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean everybody might sweep every division,

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Speaker 1: right right, yeah? Yeah. Again, it's a tough schedule. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's not new to them. I mean it's gonna

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Speaker 1: get difficult as the season goes on. They got some

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Speaker 1: short weeks, things like that. Tomlin's been down that road

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Speaker 1: a million times and.

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Speaker 3: That's all these situations. Yeah, right right, he knows how

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Speaker 3: to manage older players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not to not beat them up, but I think

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Speaker 3: they're in a good place.

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Speaker 1: I do too. It bothers me the misconception of, boy,

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Speaker 1: they're just trying all this stuff just to maybe win

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Speaker 1: one playoff game so they can say that that's you know,

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Speaker 1: off their back.

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Speaker 3: That's not their goal.

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Speaker 1: Their goal. I mean their goal is to do two

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Speaker 1: things at once, and they're doing them much better than

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Speaker 1: they ever have or they have in recent memory. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like it. I mean you could still trade a

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Speaker 1: fourth round pick for a wide out, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean still have all these picks options on the table.

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Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking about. I mean, they didn't move

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Speaker 1: any picks from last upcoming draft, where they have a

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Speaker 1: ton They're going to move some.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to make twelve picks.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to make twelve picks. I mean, whether

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Speaker 1: it comes down to the first round, that they trade

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Speaker 1: a bunch of them, or trade deadline or two hours

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Speaker 1: from now, I don't know, they're not They're going to

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Speaker 1: move a pick or due.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they can for players. Yeah, it's it's going

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Speaker 3: to be interesting no matter what happens. It's going to

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Speaker 3: be a fascinating season.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean they were a pretty good football team

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Speaker 1: and they made some massive changes. I mean again, people

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Speaker 1: thought it was a massive deal to trade a first

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Speaker 1: round pick for Maka, which it was it was. I

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Speaker 1: mean that we went decades without them doing that. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the big move. This offseason's kind

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Speaker 1: of put that to shame. Yeah, the second round pick

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Speaker 1: for Metcalf, he signed a future Hall of Fame quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean this massive moves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they have not simply sat on their hands

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Speaker 3: and done nothing.

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Speaker 1: You might know this better than but how many new

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Speaker 1: starters are there going to be on the team.

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Speaker 3: I looked at that a couple of weeks ago and

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Speaker 3: I thought I came up with nine, and now we're

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Speaker 3: talking about even more than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if Nause he's a new starter.

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Speaker 1: I mean somebody he was a starter. So somebody's going

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Speaker 1: to be the starter. Okay you're saying so, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: again some of the other line stuff was by default

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Speaker 1: yet last time, but there's been a lot of new

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Speaker 1: change A. Yeah, yeah, they didn't just they don't just

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Speaker 1: run it back, guys, all right, they don't just run

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Speaker 1: it back. Just because they fire the head coach and

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Speaker 1: burn the building down, that doesn't mean they're running it back.

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Speaker 3: This is as aggressive as I think I've seen any team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah in the NFL, and quite.

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Speaker 1: Some time talk about like brand name players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, so this should be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Is not gonna be a problem, No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to another break that's going to do it

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Speaker 3: for our number one of the drive here on the

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Speaker 3: Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back with

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Speaker 3: the hour number two right after this