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Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben Bolan and Matt Frederick, and today we are

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a series that we did. Wow,

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Speaker 1: there's a deep cut on Matt. Yeah, at least the

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Speaker 1: original the the original episodes were rather deep, and that

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Speaker 1: original series was called The Deceptive Brain, or rather Present

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Speaker 1: Tense is called the Deceptive Brain because you can still

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Speaker 1: see it on YouTube right now. This was a three

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Speaker 1: part series wherein you and I explored the effects that

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Speaker 1: chemicals have on the brain, and most importantly, the effects

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Speaker 1: that naturally occurring neurochemicals on the brain, right, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: and the ways in which those chemicals kind of trick

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Speaker 1: the brain. It's weird, it tricks itself by releasing chemicals,

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Speaker 1: because when we think about, uh, when we say your

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Speaker 1: brain is tricking you, it's really tricking itself. And I

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Speaker 1: thought that was one of the more fascinating things, because

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Speaker 1: that we have. Yeah, and this was funny to us,

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Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes it can be a little bit

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Speaker 1: challenging when we're making an episode to have it always

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Speaker 1: end with something someone doesn't want someone else to know.

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Speaker 1: And this was a little bit different for us because

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Speaker 1: it was your brain quote unquote, your brain didn't want

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Speaker 1: you to know exactly how it was seaving or lying

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Speaker 1: to you. What we did see some really interesting stuff.

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Speaker 1: We did a do one episode on love. We did, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the first off we talked about with the sept of Brain.

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Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite Okay, yeah, like I

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Speaker 1: learned a lot of things. I'm just gonna go off

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Speaker 1: your takeaway feelings. Yeah, that's a that was a very

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Speaker 1: interesting series of studies. Like I can't remember exactly which

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Speaker 1: watch out your on thin ice, my friend, Because if

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Speaker 1: they are more likely for some almost it sounds ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: and that's something. It's um It's similar to what's called priming, right,

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Speaker 1: psychologically subtly framing a situation such that a person's brain

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Speaker 1: Mat I was surprised that there are techniques and technologies

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