Speaker 1: And this is Drinks Chants, motherfucking podcast.
Speaker 2: Man, he's a legends every queens rapper.
Speaker 1: He ain't agreed as your boy in.
Speaker 2: O R E.
Speaker 3: He's a Miami hip hop pioneer.
Speaker 2: What up?
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Speaker 1: Would it good? Be? Its your boy in O R E?
Speaker 2: What up?
Speaker 1: His DJ E f N and this drink Champs. When
Speaker 1: me and e f N started this show, we said
Speaker 1: we want to always give this platform to icons, and
Speaker 1: we talk about to legends and were talking about right
Speaker 1: now we have an icon in the building. This man.
Speaker 1: I just heard mister Lee say, you know he had
Speaker 1: a flat top. Not only I had a flat top
Speaker 1: because of this man. My eyes is bushy to this
Speaker 1: day because of this man. I cat scratches. They was
Speaker 1: calling it, and they was like, it's can scratches, motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: This man has been influential, Like I'm listening to his music,
Speaker 1: and I can smell the jellous driving by my hood.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: The Volk wagons.
Speaker 1: The Volk wagons was be big back then, with the
Speaker 1: with the vanilla. You know, the trees, the trees sense
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about in the car, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this man is so influential. He got
Speaker 1: a documentary. Everyone is participating in the documentary. Everyone is
Speaker 1: there giving him his flowers. And we had him on before,
Speaker 1: but we are giving him We got our ship together,
Speaker 1: so we are giving him the real flowers and we're
Speaker 1: going talk about him. Pop fifty. We go about everything.
Speaker 1: In case you don't know what we told about. We
Speaker 1: told about the one that owner I called it impeccable, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So kay yo, let's let's start it with the hip
Speaker 1: hop fifty. Yeah, some people are so happy about the
Speaker 1: Hip Hop fifty. Some people are bitter, some.
Speaker 3: People are amongst the community.
Speaker 1: What do you think discrepancies came from, in particular the
Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 3: Nah, we've been hearing different. Well, there's there's.
Speaker 5: People saying that the timeline is off, it's not exactly fifty,
Speaker 5: that that could be disputed. And then there's people saying
Speaker 5: that they feel the hip hop fifty is being like
Speaker 5: a corporate takeover, where it's being over monetized and appropriated
Speaker 5: is the word that was used with specialized specific people
Speaker 5: saying that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if it's giving flowers and paying
Speaker 2: homage and putting money into artists pockets, right, I don't
Speaker 2: see that.
Speaker 6: Being a major problem, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2: But as far as the timeline thing, I think that
Speaker 2: the issue comes from other people that.
Speaker 6: Like basically did something for hip hop.
Speaker 2: You know, there there are other people that did things
Speaker 2: in hip hop before, say what Hollywood. They are the
Speaker 2: people that you know, did things before HERK, like you know,
Speaker 2: DJ Hollywood, Eddie Cheaber. You know, these guys was rapping
Speaker 2: before seventy three. You know, you had DJ's like Grand
Speaker 2: Master Flowers, Pete, DJ Jones, DJ Plumber, Disco King Mario
Speaker 2: that was djaying before Cool HERK.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 6: HERK took all these elements.
Speaker 2: MCing is only one element, DJing is only one elementineteen
Speaker 2: seventy three, Kirk took all these elements am seeing DJ
Speaker 2: and be boys because he had the Nigga Twins dancing
Speaker 2: Doug in them.
Speaker 1: You know you heard about the Nigga Twins the other day. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was trying to Peter Rosberg. Can you pronounce their name?
Speaker 1: Peter Boseburg?
Speaker 2: He's like no, well, but yeah, you know, HERK took
Speaker 2: all of these elements and combined them into one. And
Speaker 2: that's what hip hop is. Hip Hop is not just
Speaker 2: him seeing. Hip hop is not just DJing. Hip Hop
Speaker 2: is all these elements. And Herk is the one that combined.
Speaker 2: He is the one. He's Thanos. He got all the
Speaker 2: infinity stones, you understand me. So yeah, I give her
Speaker 2: credit for inventing hip hop in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3: And that's it. Cedric huh what is it? Yeah? And
Speaker 3: his sister has something to do with it too, right.
Speaker 6: I believe she's the one to throw the party.
Speaker 2: Yeah right. But I mean as far as combining the elements,
Speaker 2: you know, to create what we call hip hop, I
Speaker 2: credit her for that.
Speaker 3: You know, that was the culmination of it, and that
Speaker 3: sparks from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, these people that can debate me,
Speaker 2: and I can respect that because I was only five
Speaker 2: years old and set, you know, But I mean basing
Speaker 2: it on what was done because you know, like Hollywood
Speaker 2: and Eddieg, but they parties was for adults. You couldn't
Speaker 2: break dance in their parties and they couldn't pass the
Speaker 2: mic because they're paid DJs.
Speaker 6: It's not their party.
Speaker 2: They're getting paid like fifteen hundred two stacks to dj,
Speaker 2: So that's what.
Speaker 6: They're doing a job, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Her created an atmosphere what other MC's can get on
Speaker 2: the mic.
Speaker 6: B boys could break dance.
Speaker 2: Without getting kicked out the club for kicking people.
Speaker 6: In their sin and shit like that. You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: To be sorry, I cut you a but I was
Speaker 1: having a conversation and certain people were saying that DJ
Speaker 1: Hollywood wasn't considered hip hop. I don't understand that. What
Speaker 1: do they mean because he was considered a disco DJ.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were saying that.
Speaker 2: But I mean, at the same time, you got to
Speaker 2: understand the word hip hop was invented like when like
Speaker 2: seventy seven. Yeah, you know, so, I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 2: even called hip hop in seventy three. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's just a way to just
Speaker 2: you know, really hate on Wood, to hate on Hollywood,
Speaker 2: you know, but I mean still in all though, it's
Speaker 2: like he was the first MC, FIRSTC. So I mean
Speaker 2: when I say MC, I'm not talking about you know
Speaker 2: what last Poets, Gil Scott Heron did that. I call
Speaker 2: that spoken word. Okay, do you agree with me?
Speaker 6: Do you agreement?
Speaker 2: Agreement? When I say Gil Scott Hearing, last poets, Well,
Speaker 2: they did the spoken words.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm just always boiling upon each other this spoken word.
Speaker 2: Good workman on a second, pick me Martham did here
Speaker 2: comes the judge. Now that would that's what I would
Speaker 2: consider rapping, right, But that's in the studio over a band.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. What Hollywood was doing was
Speaker 2: rhyming over a breakbeat, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And that's what we do in hip hop.
Speaker 3: Right, and that's considered MC.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, well, I mean you know, but also like
Speaker 2: what what cochlar Rock was doing, like you know that
Speaker 2: that's just doing the announcing stuff, you know, such.
Speaker 3: Such and such building Yeah yeah, okay, okay, that's.
Speaker 6: Them seeing as well. Okay, but I'm talking about rhyming.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about right now with Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I'm talking I don't want to go saying with my honey.
Speaker 2: Bun when merse around was actually a rhyme that that
Speaker 2: he bit from Isaac Hayes song good Love, Oh Yeah,
Speaker 2: and from the Black Moses album in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 2: Out of this, Bonafide was solidifoie, it's not forgot. I
Speaker 2: know that the punchline was on Its not how good
Speaker 2: I do it baby? Is how I do it good? Yeah,
Speaker 2: bona Fide qualified knock on wood, it's not how good
Speaker 2: I do with baby? Gus that why do with good? Yeah?
Speaker 6: That's from Isaac Hayes song.
Speaker 2: That's the first thing that he said over the mic
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: Was that really one of your highlights of seeing Snoop
Speaker 1: bring out Hollywood?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, I was, honestly because it's like, I feel
Speaker 2: like Hollywood never gets the credit that he deserves. You know.
Speaker 2: And as we celebrate fifty years of hip hop, we
Speaker 2: got to acknowledge Cool Herk, we got to acknowledge Cokele Rock,
Speaker 2: We got to acknowledge DJ Hollywood, Eddie Sheeba, we got
Speaker 2: to acknowledge the disco twins from Queens. You know, we
Speaker 2: really need to. We got to acknowledge, Shah Rock, Funky Four,
Speaker 2: the Cold Crush Brothers, and most definitely Melly Mel, grand
Speaker 2: Master Flash in the Furious five. I think Melli Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: We all have to understand that there's probably a lot
Speaker 5: of people that we don't even know about him that
Speaker 5: were a big part of the creation of hip hop.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like I always refer to when I talk
Speaker 2: about Hollywood and Melly Mel. I call Hollywood Ray Charles,
Speaker 2: and I called Melle Mel Sam Cook, you know, because
Speaker 2: I think that what Hollywood created.
Speaker 6: Mel perfected Wow.
Speaker 2: From nineteen seventy seven all the way up till around
Speaker 2: like twenty thirteen when the drill music and stuff to
Speaker 2: come in. I think anybody that MC was following Mellie
Speaker 2: Mel blueprint Wow. He was the first lyricist, and he's
Speaker 2: the one responsible for making the MC important.
Speaker 6: Thank you, because.
Speaker 2: You know, when when when hip hop began with hert
Speaker 2: it was about the DJ. You know, it was about her,
Speaker 2: not the Herculeoids. It was about Flash, not the three
Speaker 2: m c's. You know, it was always about the DJ
Speaker 2: that was the most important person. Until Melly Mel started
Speaker 2: spitting real lyrics and made people say, YEA, what the
Speaker 2: hell did he just say hold on, yo?
Speaker 6: He just And that's when the MC became important.
Speaker 2: He's the one that built the platform that's created for
Speaker 2: us because.
Speaker 1: If you look at Eric, Eric b name comes first.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was the thing, like that DJ Jasey, Jeffery
Speaker 2: Fresh Prince.
Speaker 3: Let's make some noise for that.
Speaker 1: So the verses, how did you like doing the verses
Speaker 1: as a person who's you know, you've actually survived it.
Speaker 6: I love doing it? Like that was my dream come true?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I mean you know, like back when.
Speaker 2: Uh, when KRS came out with the bridges over, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the way he timed it, the way he timed it
Speaker 2: with down by Law. I'm like, this is a battle
Speaker 2: of limc. He's a battle of lim ce that that
Speaker 2: knows the art of combat. I would love to go
Speaker 2: up against him. But that was my dude though, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I mean, Carr is one, that's
Speaker 2: that's him. Him and Miss Melody helped me move out
Speaker 2: of my parents' crip, you know, like Chris is Chris.
Speaker 2: Chris was my dude always, you know, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I always would think I always immediately when I heard
Speaker 1: that you were battling Chris. I immediately thought, what happened
Speaker 1: with Kine and rock Him? I mean, obviously you and
Speaker 1: Chris lived up to expectations, did everything, but everyone was
Speaker 1: kind of leaning towards the Kine and rock Him. Has
Speaker 1: that beening you like? Your whole like legacy, your whole
Speaker 1: career is.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, people always wanted us to batter right
Speaker 2: about it. I mean that's how this whole thing came
Speaker 2: information Swiss called and said I need you and write
Speaker 2: it to a versus Wow. And I said, well, look,
Speaker 2: talk to the other guy if you can make it happen.
Speaker 2: I'm in called him the other guy if you know,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't mean that disrespectful way. I don't
Speaker 2: mean any disrespectful way. Just like I said, talk to
Speaker 2: the other guy and see if you can make it happen.
Speaker 2: But if you can't, you want, Chris, would you entertain
Speaker 2: me and KRS?
Speaker 3: So this was your idea?
Speaker 6: And he said, yeah, WHOA.
Speaker 2: So he went through it and tried to make it
Speaker 2: happen and you know, couldn't.
Speaker 6: Lock it down.
Speaker 2: And then he, you know, he was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm okay.
Speaker 6: So then what about me and KRS?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: And then Swiss says, what about you in LL And
Speaker 2: I said, you know, versus is really song for song,
Speaker 2: not you know, battling rhymes.
Speaker 6: This song for songs. So Ela mop the goddamn floor
Speaker 6: with me.
Speaker 2: Like his catalog is too big, you know, but for
Speaker 2: the sake of hip hop crazy? Yeah, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: for the sake of hip hop?
Speaker 6: Fuck? Did I do it? But I mean he's gonna
Speaker 6: mop the floor with me?
Speaker 2: This dude. You know, his longevity is crazy. You know
Speaker 2: his his albums.
Speaker 6: You know. I'm like, but I do it.
Speaker 2: And Swiss says, okay, but do you think the people
Speaker 2: want to see you in l or you and rock Kim?
Speaker 2: I said, me and rock Kim without a doubt. He's like,
Speaker 2: and That's what I'm talking about, Kane. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right. So we left it alone and then we
Speaker 2: entertained it with Trella because this was before they emerged. Yes, right,
Speaker 2: and Charlie Mack was trying to put that together and
Speaker 2: Charlie Yeah, shout out to Matt.
Speaker 6: He couldn't make it happen.
Speaker 3: Well you and Rob?
Speaker 2: Yeah, with me and Rob, he tried to make it happen.
Speaker 2: He couldn't make it happen either. And then here's the
Speaker 2: funniest thing. They called me and said that this lockdown,
Speaker 2: me and Rob gonna do it. It was supposed to
Speaker 2: have been the night that Barrington Levy and super Cat
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's in that we were supposed to do it.
Speaker 2: They called me and said it's lockdown, right, and I
Speaker 2: said okay. They said, but Roz using Jesse Jeff, so
Speaker 2: we want you to use Kick Capri. Okay, So I
Speaker 2: called Kick Capri and said, yo, they want you to
Speaker 2: do this versus thing. Caprice said, I don't want to,
Speaker 2: you know you my man, Rob, my man. I'd rather
Speaker 2: stay neutral. So I was like, I can respect that.
Speaker 2: I called Charlie mac Back. I was like, yeah, Kick
Speaker 2: Caprice said he'll do it. He's in. I mean, I
Speaker 2: knew this ship wasn't gonna happen. You know what happened.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's in. And then they
Speaker 2: caught me the next day and said, year, now we
Speaker 2: can't make the thing with him happened. You're still down
Speaker 2: to do it with KRS. I was like yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: It was like okay, then need to be you and
Speaker 2: krest on that day and I was like, well, I
Speaker 2: can't do it, you know, this weekend coming up, because
Speaker 2: I'm laying in.
Speaker 6: Bed with COVID right now. Wow yeah, I'm like.
Speaker 2: So they switched it to the following weekend and they
Speaker 2: got Baron to Levy to do it that week because
Speaker 2: I was I was, I was sick. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If Biz would have been alive for that versus which song,
Speaker 1: you would have broke him out as a surprise.
Speaker 6: Guest, Oh, just run with Biz, Just run with Biz?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but I mean I would I know that
Speaker 2: he would have wanted to at least do the hook
Speaker 2: or just a friend, you know.
Speaker 6: But I was taking no crowd singer.
Speaker 1: You wrote justin friends?
Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3: Did you get to watch the dog? I did not
Speaker 3: get He's in a right did you? Did you see, because.
Speaker 1: Like business, Mark was one of these people that I
Speaker 1: all the think would be around hip hop forever. Did
Speaker 1: you see like the demise of the breakdown of Biz
Speaker 1: or no?
Speaker 6: No, yeah, I didn't see what point. It's like.
Speaker 2: Biz had lost a lot of weight from a diet
Speaker 2: and he was looking good, right, feeling good, looking, energetic,
Speaker 2: you know. But but from my understanding, because of him
Speaker 2: being so in shape he wasn't taking his diabetes medicine,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, God bless man, this diabetes thing is
Speaker 1: running rapping in our neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, man, I'm.
Speaker 1: Drinking motherfucker ghost race. Kill a coffee? What is this called?
Speaker 6: Kill coffee?
Speaker 1: Killer coffie? Was drinking coast face? Is it a starbus? Couples?
Speaker 1: Had no cups in my grip? So I just did that, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Kill a gup goddamn coffee?
Speaker 5: What was the track? I watched the document of the
Speaker 5: BIZ one? What was the track that he asked you
Speaker 5: to write and you said no f first and then
Speaker 5: after that you learned your lesson?
Speaker 6: Just a frind It was just a friend, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 6: just a wrint.
Speaker 2: I tell you one.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So how does this happen this this session?
Speaker 6: No, Marty Moore on dis session had nothing to do.
Speaker 3: He just asked him.
Speaker 6: He just went, well, it wasn't Bizz that asked me.
Speaker 2: It was it was actually cool v okay that asked me,
Speaker 2: and me and Biz was was beefing with each other
Speaker 2: at the time. Wow.
Speaker 3: It doesn't say that in the documentary though.
Speaker 6: Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: We were like, well I was mad at him.
Speaker 3: See what you got mad that you didn't do it?
Speaker 2: That's oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, Doc, absolutely, but I mean
Speaker 2: but now, I honestly it was for me being mad
Speaker 2: upset with him because we had like there was a
Speaker 2: lawsuit going on and Biz dropped out of it, and
Speaker 2: I was upset about that. When V asked me to
Speaker 2: write it, I was like, nah, but damn, I wish
Speaker 2: I would have though.
Speaker 3: That was big record.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeahh and nobody believed at first when he
Speaker 5: was talking about the record, how it was going to be,
Speaker 5: he was going to sing on.
Speaker 2: It, You're The craziest thing is like the day that
Speaker 2: Biz found the beat, it's the same day that he
Speaker 2: gave me the beat for at No. Half Stepping. I
Speaker 2: went to Cool V Crib and half Step yeah set
Speaker 2: up absolute to Cool V. Yeah. I went to COOLV
Speaker 2: Crib and Bizz had a bag of records still, so
Speaker 2: I'm going. I'm like, he's like some records Biz board,
Speaker 2: I'm going through them playing, I'm playing. Then I heard
Speaker 2: the emotions blind owy. I'm like, oh, this is sick.
Speaker 2: So V looped it up in the mixer, you know,
Speaker 2: sample in the mixer. He looped up there and I
Speaker 2: started writing to it. But it's Biz. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: Biz calls the crib.
Speaker 3: Ain't no half stepping.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm writing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I guess I was writing the rhymes I can't remember,
Speaker 2: but I'm writing to it. Then BIZ called a crib.
Speaker 2: I founded. I found it. I finally found it you
Speaker 2: talking about. He was like, the big I got it.
Speaker 2: You know, you got what I need, Like he found
Speaker 2: Freddy Scott, you got what I need. And he was like,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, I'm telling you this ship gonna
Speaker 2: go platinum.
Speaker 6: I guarantee you, right.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, so, well, since you're so happy about that,
Speaker 2: you probably don't really care about this Blind Alley record,
Speaker 2: right because that was his record, his record. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: probably don't care about this blind either. You can have
Speaker 2: that ship, my man. Yeah that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my god, oh my god, holy moly,
Speaker 1: walcome moly, man, you a motherfucker legend. Oh my brother.
Speaker 1: I had so much fun going through your de soccra
Speaker 1: fhe man. Go, but let's talk about the documentary, man,
Speaker 1: this documentary.
Speaker 3: I love you getting your.
Speaker 1: Flowers, man, I love something.
Speaker 3: He shared the clip.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love you giving your flowers man, because you
Speaker 1: want of the smoothest people on earth. Let's make some
Speaker 1: noise and you always cool, calm and collective. But you
Speaker 1: know hip hop owes you you know what I mean? Uh?
Speaker 1: We all o you you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: what you have brung to the game, Like I said,
Speaker 1: even down from the flattops to the to the to
Speaker 1: the the three because my eyebrows.
Speaker 3: Are sucked up right now.
Speaker 2: Game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Because I was like this,
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Did you know how influential
Speaker 1: you was? Was this something that you thought out or
Speaker 1: this was just you was being who exactly who you are.
Speaker 2: I was just being me, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: like uh just looking around seeing what was going on.
Speaker 2: I was like wow, you know okay, but I mean
Speaker 2: I felt like it was a beautiful thing because it's
Speaker 2: like I wasn't influencing anybody, do nothing negative? Right, you know?
Speaker 2: So right?
Speaker 3: And it was scoop really a barbera yeah?
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah?
Speaker 3: How does how does this work?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: You told him you put your clubs down and start dancing?
Speaker 3: How does this work?
Speaker 2: Nah? There was a club called Latin Quarters. You can
Speaker 2: not on ninety sixth Street. That was the older school one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you know, I would go there with Biz and
Speaker 2: whatnot to hang out in the mid eighties and school
Speaker 2: was with this dance group called the IOU Dances, and
Speaker 2: they would dance before the artists performed. They would do
Speaker 2: a dance ro team before the artists come on, sage
Speaker 2: you perform, and you know sometimes by the bar me
Speaker 2: school and ladies that manages Mop. Yeah, he was with
Speaker 2: IOU as well. So three of us we were by
Speaker 2: the bar, just you know, having drinks and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Biz getting me a record deal when I
Speaker 2: come out, Man, I.
Speaker 6: Love for you to dance for me.
Speaker 2: And then when I finally made a record, I went
Speaker 2: back to school and was like yo, you ready, wow,
Speaker 2: And yeah that's how we made it happen.
Speaker 1: And so so BIZ was technically on before y'all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm telling you watched this dark We don't
Speaker 5: know this history like not to make people know how
Speaker 5: influential and how much BIZ had.
Speaker 3: To do with a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Why did you and Biz link up?
Speaker 2: There was this kid from Long Island that used to
Speaker 2: always tell me about this dude Bis Marcky. He knew
Speaker 2: why there's for some reason, I think now the dude
Speaker 2: was from Central Island. He's from Central Island, dude named Wayne.
Speaker 2: He was dating my cousin and he used to always
Speaker 2: tell me about biz Marcky. And finally one day he like, Yo,
Speaker 2: my man, biz Markey, I'll tell you about here. And
Speaker 2: now we squirrelled rat more. Right now, I'll be beatbox
Speaker 2: now he was doing the beat for numbers. Wow, I'm
Speaker 2: like here over there right now. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: take me over there and let me meet him. So
Speaker 2: we get in the mall. We're walking up to him.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, so listen, I'm asking your man
Speaker 2: for a battle. And after I bust his ass, I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about this, you know, yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: squid mall. So I asked Biz for a battle. We battled,
Speaker 2: and after the battle, he was like, Yo, you dope man,
Speaker 2: You dope man. He said, Yo, I'll be doing a
Speaker 2: lot of shows and like all them Bronx Long Island.
Speaker 2: You should get down with me, man, like we can
Speaker 2: make some money, and I guarantee you one day I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get you a record deal.
Speaker 1: Ruse because back then, like back then, like a lot
Speaker 1: of people, we didn't have Twitter, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they didn't have Twitter. So how did
Speaker 1: you hear about Biz back then?
Speaker 2: Like? Okay, he was always telling me about this dude,
Speaker 2: biz Markie, who said this dude named Wayne.
Speaker 1: From s right.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, he was always telling me about this dude
Speaker 2: biz Markie, like you know, like I could have just
Speaker 2: battled somebody, you know, you know, tore them out the frame, yo,
Speaker 2: But you got to hear my man Biz, So you know,
Speaker 2: I was sick ahead about this dude man, you know.
Speaker 2: But then you know, we finally got the meet. We battled,
Speaker 2: and after the battle we became friends. He asked me
Speaker 2: to get down with him, and now I was doing
Speaker 2: something never did because I mean I would go to
Speaker 2: block parties and battle people on the mic. And you
Speaker 2: were right in these rhymes. This wasn't coming off freestyle,
Speaker 2: wasn't no. I wasn't doing off the dome. These was
Speaker 2: written freestyle. I was just off the I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't do that. I don't really do it off the
Speaker 2: dome thing, only like in battles, Like if I see
Speaker 2: some raggedy shit, you got on. You know, I'll come
Speaker 2: up with something, you know, but everyone but I mean,
Speaker 2: but you know, but you know it's really you know,
Speaker 2: written freestyles. But it was like we went at it
Speaker 2: and whatnot, and you know, he was like, yo, you dope,
Speaker 2: and you know he wanted me to get down with him.
Speaker 2: But now I'm doing something I've never done before because
Speaker 2: I had, you know, never performed, only battled. Now I'm
Speaker 2: on stage doing shows for these dudes, Mike and Dave
Speaker 2: and all of them wrongs Long Island. You know, he
Speaker 2: got me actually performing on stage. I never did nothing
Speaker 2: like that before.
Speaker 1: Damn, damn, that's crazy, man. Let's play.
Speaker 5: And then and I don't want to get the whole
Speaker 5: doc because I think people need to watch the documentaries.
Speaker 5: You watch, I'm assuming so you feel it's fully accurate
Speaker 5: the way everything's.
Speaker 2: Depicted, right, Yeah, from from what I saw, Yeah.
Speaker 5: The part about you getting in with Marley by coming
Speaker 5: and and then he didn't want to open the door
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened was, uh, this spent the night at
Speaker 2: my crib and then that morning we went to record
Speaker 2: store on No Ocean Avenue and he bought the African
Speaker 2: Life he had center be the boom Bats. He bought
Speaker 2: that and he was like, uh, yo, come ride with
Speaker 2: me into the city. I got to get to see
Speaker 2: a record by the Steve Miller band. He was going
Speaker 2: to rock, rock and soul, No downtown, down stairs records, downstairs,
Speaker 2: You're going to downstairs. And I'm like, yo, I got
Speaker 2: a test today, man, I can't skip school. So I
Speaker 2: went to school. When I took my test, I left
Speaker 2: like half day and went straight to Marley Crib when
Speaker 2: I got there. No, no, no, this was in the story. Okay,
Speaker 2: I wasn't got so I went down to Queensbridge days
Speaker 2: you know. No, I'm just saying I was before my
Speaker 2: time and cut it out, man. But yeah, I went
Speaker 2: to Marley Crib and you know, he like opened the
Speaker 2: door with the chain on and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: what's up. I'm like, you know, Kane b friend, you know.
Speaker 2: But he was talking to me like he didn't know me,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, uh, you know I was here.
Speaker 2: He's like, bis ain't here. I was like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I took the train all the way from Brooklyn. He
Speaker 2: told me to meet her because he told me doing
Speaker 2: nobody beats the Biz song b is ain't here money.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, no doubt. I was like, well, here these
Speaker 2: are the rhymes he's supposed to say today. Just give
Speaker 2: him to him. And he was like you you you right,
Speaker 2: bi ship. I was like, I wrote that, you know.
Speaker 2: He was like I go and I said a little
Speaker 2: bit and then nobody beats the biz thing. He was like,
Speaker 2: you rhyme too. I was like yeah, he said, let
Speaker 2: me hear something. Then I spent a rhyme and he
Speaker 2: took the chain off. I was like, yo, come in here,
Speaker 2: would work on problem.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, Holy shit.
Speaker 2: Because at that time, Marlly was like the go to producer. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was getting to be that. Like Marley was not
Speaker 2: only to go to producer. Marlly was the dude that
Speaker 2: reshaped hip hop in the mid to late eighties because
Speaker 2: when hip hop became a music genre, what was happening
Speaker 2: under the Sylvia Robinson umbrella was hip hop artists going
Speaker 2: in the studio recording with bands.
Speaker 6: Yeah you should know your ship.
Speaker 1: Your sugar.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I had to have to have to get back yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: She was like she was taking nick flashing them Funky Four,
Speaker 2: Treacherous three. They're going and recording with bands they're not
Speaker 2: doing with cool Heirk created. You know what I said, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: not programming. I mean they're not doing it to a
Speaker 2: break beat. You know, they're rhyming to a band. Then
Speaker 2: the run DMC era comes when that's when they start
Speaker 2: doing the programming beats with Larry Smith, Rick Rubin and
Speaker 2: them casts.
Speaker 6: You know, Davy DMX.
Speaker 2: You know they're using Len drums, DMX drum machines and
Speaker 2: keyboards and sim sim sounds. You know, Marley is the
Speaker 2: one that you know took the sp and brought back
Speaker 2: what Hirk was doing. You're rhyming over the break beat.
Speaker 2: It's just that a DJ not playing it, a producers sampling.
Speaker 4: Itine you're saying it, Yeah, it's the actual break beat
Speaker 4: that Curtis Blast Damn Bodder and.
Speaker 2: All these casts was was cutting up. It's the actual
Speaker 2: break beat and Marlly is sampling it. So you're doing
Speaker 2: exactly what he was doing. You're doing exactly what hip
Speaker 2: hop was made, how it was bringing those breaks and
Speaker 2: Mary Mary the dude that brought it back, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: he is definitely uh in a mad in this here culture,
Speaker 2: you know, because of what he did with sampling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so was was it back then?
Speaker 1: Because like nowadays, when people sample music, they actually, uh
Speaker 1: most of the time, a lot of the times, it's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of these these publishers claimed the rights.
Speaker 1: Was it like that back then when you were sampling
Speaker 1: his music? Was it?
Speaker 2: The first time I had a problem with it was
Speaker 2: the very when I when I went to Marley Crib
Speaker 2: that day.
Speaker 6: Huh, nobody be abiz.
Speaker 2: He made a beat off of Staple Singers I'll Take
Speaker 2: You Here, And that's when I recorded the song I'll
Speaker 2: Take You Here.
Speaker 6: It's on my first album.
Speaker 2: But uh, fly Tie wanted to put it out and
Speaker 2: Prints owned the Staples Singers publishing and he wasn't digging
Speaker 2: hip hoped in so he wouldn't clear it. Prince Prince
Speaker 2: ain't clear ship well, I mean in the beginning. He
Speaker 2: changed his mind later on before.
Speaker 3: The Chapster As was out. Yes, lose enough after.
Speaker 2: That, But I mean, in all, honestly, I'm glad because
Speaker 2: I think that had I'll Take You There came out
Speaker 2: as a cane debut, I never would have been successful.
Speaker 1: Was he talking about Squid Moore on that record as well.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'll take you there is talking about going
Speaker 2: into an imagine every place where everything is beautiful, and
Speaker 2: you know it's like, you know, you get a pass
Speaker 2: on that one because that was an album cut.
Speaker 1: You should know we're gonna be here. All I remember
Speaker 1: I remember hearing alb Square Moore and this is this
Speaker 1: is this's a's a website right now that's dedicated to
Speaker 1: all memories of Alby Square More. And I remember me
Speaker 1: me being from Queen's and there was some fla shit
Speaker 1: going on in Brooke. It was called Dental Gold and
Speaker 1: it was the only place in like New York City
Speaker 1: that had it. And it was well, y'all would call
Speaker 1: it grills in the side, so it was frames, it
Speaker 1: was frames, and they went to Ivy Square. He had
Speaker 1: to get it. Only an IVY script one was dental Gold.
Speaker 1: And what I try to tell you is it looked
Speaker 1: like it came from the dentist, Like this wasn't like caps.
Speaker 1: This was like but it was so flopped. But to
Speaker 1: get the IV squib more, you gotta go to a
Speaker 1: goddamn danger zone.
Speaker 2: Like oh yeah, yeah, shout out the whole dog tig
Speaker 2: slop Miami, you know, big Shop, Big Neil. Yeah, into
Speaker 2: the record, Yeah yeah yeah, all them Brooklyn Grimys dad,
Speaker 2: you know yeah yeah, make you believe we can leave
Speaker 2: them more naked. Man, you went back home sneakless, colds
Speaker 2: all that ship.
Speaker 1: Your ship was crazy, Like do you recognize Brooklyn?
Speaker 2: Still it's completely different, completely completely different. Like I went
Speaker 2: back to my old block to show my son I got.
Speaker 2: I have a ten year old when he was almost younger.
Speaker 2: I took him to my old block because there's like
Speaker 2: a big mural of me on the water, and I
Speaker 2: was showing you this is the building I was raised in,
Speaker 2: you know right there, you know, see a second floor
Speaker 2: right here. I was like, yeah, I used to come
Speaker 2: down here and do the data. While I'm telling him
Speaker 2: the story, white lady comes out of the building with
Speaker 2: a little ass dog and the dog runs up my
Speaker 2: leg and I'm like, but this didn't happen. He's like,
Speaker 2: this is na I it was just bug. You know.
Speaker 6: I'm telling him how I grew up, you know, how
Speaker 6: good it.
Speaker 2: Was, And then all of a sudden, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's a lot different now. It's at no.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it changed for the better.
Speaker 1: I think it changed for the better.
Speaker 2: I think that it changed for the better. But I
Speaker 2: think that a lot of the history was erased. You know,
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of history was erased as
Speaker 2: far as.
Speaker 3: Hip hop as well.
Speaker 6: Well, I thought you were talking about the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, be a period, Yeah, I mean, does that involve
Speaker 3: hip hop?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's like, I can't take him
Speaker 2: and say this the movie theater that I used to
Speaker 2: go in and have to tuck my pants and my
Speaker 2: socks because rats be running across the floor, and I
Speaker 2: don't want none to run up my pants.
Speaker 6: Like that's gone, you know what I'm saying. I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't say, you know, just to Roy Rogers, you know,
Speaker 2: with cats got stuck up at because you could you
Speaker 2: could rob more Forlton Street and cut.
Speaker 6: Through and come out on flat Bush after.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't show him none of that, Stuffy.
Speaker 2: It's all gone, like all those memories is gone. I'm shure,
Speaker 2: and your neighborhood is yeah, no, I.
Speaker 3: Mean all over all over.
Speaker 1: But I just never thought, you know what was shocking
Speaker 1: to me. I thought the last two barrels that they
Speaker 1: would actually fix up what's Brooklyn and the Bronx and
Speaker 1: then when the when the what was it the nets?
Speaker 3: As soon as the.
Speaker 1: Nets kind of came, I believe it's the Barclays, right
Speaker 1: as soon as the kind of came to the Barclays,
Speaker 1: seeing that they put the whole fools around, and I
Speaker 1: was like, once they put a whole fool white people coming,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I was just like I didn't think, but now, could
Speaker 1: you not? I went to Dumbo to the Soho House, and
Speaker 1: I kid you not, because it's coming right off the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bridge, you know, like coming from like you know,
Speaker 1: the Manhattan side. And I used to I used to
Speaker 1: go there and like used to know, like as soon
Speaker 1: as you got over that bridge, you're in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: It's not Manhattan no more.
Speaker 1: And now it's like you go over there and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm still mad, like because you like, am I still bad?
Speaker 3: They puting the trick over me.
Speaker 6: Like the little boats and ship.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, but I understood. And and how about the community,
Speaker 1: because I remember that was a big thing about being
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, like was it was. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of community, and you think that's gone because of the
Speaker 1: whole hools.
Speaker 6: When you say community, what do you mean, like.
Speaker 1: You know, like the project people used to be there
Speaker 1: together like you, I mean like as opposed to that
Speaker 1: now it's.
Speaker 6: Like, nah, I think that's because I mean.
Speaker 2: Just uh during the Rock the Bells thing, because I
Speaker 2: have Rock to Bells and I had uh Lincoln Center,
Speaker 2: you know, all in New York, but pretty much a
Speaker 2: week apart. So I was like, well, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: stay in New York, good time. And I got an
Speaker 2: Airbnb and Bushwick Wow. And when I arrived at the Airbnb,
Speaker 2: Bushwick made it known like not nigga, you're still in
Speaker 2: the hush, don't don't get it twisted.
Speaker 8: Perto Ricans was the Puerto Ricans. Yeah, so oh man, yo.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: I mean hip hop?
Speaker 1: Man, did you have a like I noticed a cliche
Speaker 1: type of question, but do you ever think that hip
Speaker 1: hop will make it this far?
Speaker 6: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: You absolutely, absolutely, because you got to you got to understand.
Speaker 2: I mean, like like I love psychedelic rock, right like
Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix, Janice Chopplin, I love that type of stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, so as a rock fan to hear like
Speaker 2: you know, like how it was about Chuck Berry doing
Speaker 2: the dunk walk across stage, or Elvis presently gyrating his hips.
Speaker 2: How offensive that was to clean cut America. And they
Speaker 2: said that, you know, it's raunchy music. It's not gonna last.
Speaker 2: It's just a fad. And this is what they said
Speaker 2: about rock and roll. But it was so rebellious for
Speaker 2: the young counter, for the youth to like really show
Speaker 2: out and like and like, now you've got Alan Freed
Speaker 2: taking it in gymnasiums because theaters don't want it, so
Speaker 2: he taking it in gymnasiums, and the young cast is
Speaker 2: coming out, you know, a by the thousands, the pack
Speaker 2: of gymnasium just to hear rock and roll.
Speaker 6: Right, you know, this is what's going on.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, with the war start, you
Speaker 2: got rock artists making anti war songs, so they're using
Speaker 2: their voice, you know, to speak against war. Hip hop
Speaker 2: was following the same thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So when they said that it's just a fair it
Speaker 2: ain't real music, I knew. I'm like, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: just as big or even bigger than rock and roll.
Speaker 1: You know what's so beautiful about what's going on right now?
Speaker 1: Is you see Yankee Stadium sold out, You see Nives
Speaker 1: and Wu Tang sold out, you see fifty cent and
Speaker 1: Busting Robs sold out, you see all of you see
Speaker 1: Rock the Bells sold out, You see all of these
Speaker 1: festivals with these older people that sold out. An elder
Speaker 1: statesman rather tional art. And I've been saying this for
Speaker 1: a long time. This is the reason why we invented
Speaker 1: drink chances, because we wanted to give our elder statesms,
Speaker 1: people that have been around, you know, seasons, they flowers.
Speaker 3: And then when you see this, it's like damn.
Speaker 1: When you like I said this the other day, Like
Speaker 1: when you want someone to cook Thanksgiving dinner, you don't
Speaker 1: want that eighteen year old girl that just you just met.
Speaker 1: You don't want that twenty two year old girl. She
Speaker 1: don't know how to smothered the chickens. She don't know
Speaker 1: how to make the candy ams bounce the way they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be shaking. She don't know how to do
Speaker 1: the stuffing.
Speaker 3: She don't know how to cook corn bread. And heart
Speaker 3: of this cook corn bread. You gotta have experience.
Speaker 1: So when they come to days Giving dinner, you don't
Speaker 1: want that new young hobouy no.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 7: You want Papa helping us, you understand, and that's what
Speaker 7: life is.
Speaker 1: Your young women, snappists, you'll be over here talk about
Speaker 1: the O G no motherfucker.
Speaker 3: With seasoned what seasons?
Speaker 1: Then we're out here, man looking looking like he ready
Speaker 1: to pip right now. I love when Bussey said that,
Speaker 1: he said, we gotta look the part, man. And that's
Speaker 1: one thing about you. Man. You've been sharp since the eighties.
Speaker 1: You ain't never had a day off.
Speaker 2: Man, appreciate you come. I will say this though, man,
Speaker 2: when it comes to people like myself and even your errors,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I feel like we're cemented and
Speaker 2: we have a solid fan base that's going to love
Speaker 2: and respect us like you know Charlie Wilson fans, you know,
Speaker 2: Ronald Eisley fans. But we do need to connect with
Speaker 2: the youth so that they can gain state power and
Speaker 2: they learn how to be artists. I don't think that
Speaker 2: we should leave them alone or look at it in
Speaker 2: a way of like, ha, I'm packing shows you not.
Speaker 2: I think that we need to work with them, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and try to help them because
Speaker 2: it's like we're not gonna be here forever. Our music will,
Speaker 2: but we not. So when we're gone, what's going to
Speaker 2: be left. If they don't know what they're doing. They
Speaker 2: can evaporate hip hop canny vaporate. So we got to
Speaker 2: give them the Jews. We got to teach them and
Speaker 2: educate them and try to uplift them. And I think
Speaker 2: that that's something important for us to do as the
Speaker 2: you know, the older generation, you know, to teach the
Speaker 2: youth like, yo, this is how you perform. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't need the vocals playing to an instrumental. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Don't just stand there once by
Speaker 2: their stage left and stage right, it's even front of
Speaker 2: the stage, shake a motherfucker hand when you're looking at
Speaker 2: you and stuff like that. You know, we have to
Speaker 2: give them game, you know, we have. We need to
Speaker 2: do that because they are the future. But they're not
Speaker 2: going to be the future much longer. If if if
Speaker 2: they can't sell our shows or sell streams up whatever.
Speaker 5: You know, you got to make sure the history continues
Speaker 5: to be told so it's not lost.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of them know better e FM,
Speaker 1: because you know why they know better. They wear Jordan's
Speaker 1: They don't want Kyrie. I heard you say, but that's
Speaker 1: not true. That is true, that's not that's not knowing
Speaker 1: history because you wear no no. What I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say is when you sit down, they'll talk. They'll sit
Speaker 1: there and talk about a Michael Jordan game. You are
Speaker 1: wearing these Jordan's because Jordan's scored this amount. So if
Speaker 1: you know that amount, why don't you know about when
Speaker 1: Biggie Small's did this one about when.
Speaker 3: Kid doesn't know who cool work is. Right, that's what
Speaker 3: they wear.
Speaker 6: In the Jordan.
Speaker 3: That might not be their fault, it's our fault in
Speaker 3: the city generation. I believe that there was a fine time.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't grow up on corel work. I was
Speaker 3: too young.
Speaker 5: There was the music that I was listening to that
Speaker 5: was telling you, and I was like, hold up a second,
Speaker 5: I need to know this these people that I'm listening to.
Speaker 1: But you being in DJs, but you'll be in a
Speaker 1: DJ and you being loyal to the culture, you win
Speaker 1: and you search schoolhurd correct.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, that's that's that's what we before the inn.
Speaker 3: At times I was literally digging in the.
Speaker 2: That's the problem though, you know what I'm saying nobody,
Speaker 2: like like, nobody searches anything no more. Nobody studies nothing
Speaker 2: no more. They just google shit, you know.
Speaker 3: But we're not giving reasons either.
Speaker 5: I feel like like now hip hop fifty Like you said,
Speaker 5: the positive side is younger younger kids might be like.
Speaker 3: Yo, this is wild. Look at these packed stadiums. What
Speaker 3: is this all about?
Speaker 5: And they might start to gravitate to certain artists they
Speaker 5: wouldn't have normally gravitate it to, and then learn about
Speaker 5: the history indirectly, like a drink champs. They might learn
Speaker 5: indirectly by the entertainment of it, say oh, these people
Speaker 5: are wilding out, and then oh, wait, I'm learning something now.
Speaker 6: I let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: Man, the BET Awards, I was sitting in my seat,
Speaker 2: the recent one one to just passed. I was sitting
Speaker 2: in my seat patiently waiting to see all the young
Speaker 2: cats perform. I wanted to see what type of energy
Speaker 2: they bring in. And then especially since you know, you
Speaker 2: have people like myself, m see like Red Man, Bust
Speaker 2: Uncle Luke. You know what well, I mean, Buster's still
Speaker 2: doing his thing. You know what I'm saying, He's still going.
Speaker 2: But I mean, but you know, you you got all
Speaker 2: these I mean, it's like for them to look at
Speaker 2: and see. Okay, okay, right, So I wanted to see
Speaker 2: what they were going to do on stage, and the
Speaker 2: Migos and Lola Brook they did not let me down. Wow.
Speaker 2: I thought that Lola and the Migos gave amazing performances.
Speaker 6: That's the type of ship I like to see.
Speaker 1: And it was the first time seeing the Migos together
Speaker 1: in a long time.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But with even with that being a factor when it's
Speaker 2: time to get it on, yeah, yeah, man, it looked
Speaker 2: beautiful and like to see lower Brook like, you know,
Speaker 2: actually really spitting and then jumping back and dancing with
Speaker 2: her dances and ship.
Speaker 3: She was not playing with it.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, she.
Speaker 3: Was go ahead.
Speaker 1: Brooklyn energy right from Brooklyn.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could never take a Brooklyn dude out of
Speaker 1: be in Brooklyn.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: Specialist, But let's let's smoke about that for a second,
Speaker 1: because special gave us a different perspective on it. He
Speaker 1: was like that he felt like that I dont know,
Speaker 1: we spoke about it earlier, but he felt like that
Speaker 1: the hip hop fifty is more for corporations, it's not
Speaker 1: really for us. And I disagree, but I let him vent.
Speaker 1: Like you just said you said earlier. He was like,
Speaker 1: as long as you know the artist is getting paid
Speaker 1: and this is something that we want to do. I
Speaker 1: don't think that Yankee Stadium was commercialized. I think Yanks
Speaker 1: it was still in.
Speaker 2: But it was because I mean, his his house, Okay,
Speaker 2: Mally mal cold Crush, all the pioneers, right, they went
Speaker 2: on like twelfth Noon. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was thinking they should have been the headliners.
Speaker 6: All no, no, no, no, no, not the headline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should have like fit them in like in between,
Speaker 2: like you know, oh what kind.
Speaker 1: Of look at the flyer wrong? When they were at
Speaker 1: the bottom, I was looking at it as if it
Speaker 1: was the top.
Speaker 6: Of the black you know, the pie.
Speaker 2: And then it's like you say, I understand that they
Speaker 2: don't have hit records, and the ones that did have
Speaker 2: hit records in the early eighties, a younger generation are
Speaker 2: not aware of that. I get that. Still, in all,
Speaker 2: if we really celebrating hip fifty years of hip hop, right,
Speaker 2: then respect those that created the platform for it to
Speaker 2: get here, right, you know, I mean, you know Russell Simmons,
Speaker 2: Tyrone Williams, are Andre Harel, they did a great job.
Speaker 2: You know, jay Z, Shook, Knight, Puffy, so many of
Speaker 2: us did a great job. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: as keeping it going and all that there. But I
Speaker 2: do respect those that helped create this platform, you know,
Speaker 2: sugar Hill Gang, Grand Master Flash, in the Furious Five,
Speaker 2: Cold Cush Brothers, make it where they can be seen.
Speaker 2: That's why that meant so much to me. For Snoop
Speaker 2: to bring out Hollywood, that meant the world.
Speaker 1: I believe that was Russell Simmons pulling those strings too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, and let me so, let me ask you
Speaker 1: why we're on this subject, and especially while we're in
Speaker 1: the South, A lot of people like one of the
Speaker 1: first things that we heard, especially living in Miami, was
Speaker 1: Uncle LUTH's voice. Uncle Luke was like, he felt like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't believe he said the South. I
Speaker 1: believe he said Florida. He said Florida. But there's a
Speaker 1: different regions like the West. I'm here and there because
Speaker 1: now I'm seeing Jermaine Duprie saying the same thing, and
Speaker 1: it bugged me out a little bit because I seen
Speaker 1: Jermaine Duprie happy backstage like he was. He was back there,
Speaker 1: he was filming himself, and then when he went back
Speaker 1: home to Atlanta, he was He's basically like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: that was a New York thing, and New York doesn't
Speaker 1: really recognize Atlanta. That's what Jabani the preset, and then
Speaker 1: Luke pretty much said the same thing, but he uh,
Speaker 1: I did de fight it with Florida.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: When you hear things like that, what do you think?
Speaker 3: What does come.
Speaker 6: Like that? Don't it identify?
Speaker 2: This sound?
Speaker 5: Wasn't enough representation of the whole country in terms of well,
Speaker 5: like I mean the regions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it probably wasn't. I mean, it's too
Speaker 2: many goddamn artists, man, you know, for one night, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's too many artists, man.
Speaker 6: I mean it probably wasn't.
Speaker 2: But I mean, to me, that's only reason enough to
Speaker 2: do a hip hop fiftyth in Atlanta, you know, yeahs right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you get on outcast together, you know the brat you know, so,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, even bring out what's what's my
Speaker 2: man name? I think he was like the first Southern
Speaker 2: was Sha.
Speaker 3: D y D.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Uncle Luke called me bring them all out,
Speaker 2: se Lo Green, Goodie, Marb you know, like boys with
Speaker 2: your crew. Yeah, yeah, bring them out, Daddy, Trina, bring
Speaker 2: them all out, you know.
Speaker 1: Because Trina was on the show, and so it was
Speaker 1: Florider and t I Florid was on. Yeah, I seemed
Speaker 1: Publar getting me bring out floor Rider. Really yeah, it
Speaker 1: was something. I don't know if he's Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 1: He was there that during that fifty about week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: See with this, with with what m seeing became.
Speaker 2: Thanks to Mellie mel was a way of ghetto expression, right,
Speaker 2: and there's more ghettos than New York. You know when
Speaker 2: we heard straight out of Compton and what n w
Speaker 2: A was talking about, you know, we got an expanse
Speaker 2: of what the streets was like in l A. You know,
Speaker 2: when the Ghetto Boys came out, we had a chance
Speaker 2: to experience what the streets was like Houston and what
Speaker 2: do you call that is Southwest.
Speaker 3: In the wars right in the wards.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean like the region is that those
Speaker 2: that would that be considered Southwest, Now this is the
Speaker 2: South is so okay, but yeah, you got to experience that,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean even even with eminem because not
Speaker 2: only well oh yeah, not only is that Detroit hood,
Speaker 2: but it's not our hood.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, he talking trailer parks.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, so you you get to hear by the
Speaker 2: white hood. You know what I'm saying. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: other than Roseanne. I don't know nothing about no trailer parks.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Eminem gave gave us like what it was like in
Speaker 2: his hood growing up. You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: it's like it's the way what ghetto expression can be. Man.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful man, you know so, I mean it's it's
Speaker 2: out there in all types of different regions man. You know. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have to just end the Yankee Stadium,
Speaker 2: but you're still young and shit. Throw something in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: throw something in Detroit, throw something in la you know.
Speaker 1: That was one of the things that I noticed about
Speaker 1: your documentary, sorry bounced around, was that you had Eminem
Speaker 1: in the documentary. For those that haven't seen the trailer yet,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is one of them unicorn guys, right,
Speaker 1: this is a guy like no one could get Eminem, right.
Speaker 1: Was it hard for you to reach Eminem or this
Speaker 1: was something that you know, because I know he's a
Speaker 1: real hip hop fan.
Speaker 2: So showed love. When we reached out he said yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: when well, no, let me not say that, but but
Speaker 2: he showed love. He showed love and he made it
Speaker 2: will let me let me, let me see, let me
Speaker 2: word it this way. He made it where we wouldn't
Speaker 2: have no problems, and you know it was okay with
Speaker 2: you know, using his likeness in order, Like he showed
Speaker 2: love and showed up with a with a Big Daddy
Speaker 2: Gang show on to do the interview.
Speaker 1: Wow, goddamn.
Speaker 2: And the craziest thing is he told me stuff about
Speaker 2: myself that I never even thought about, you know, because
Speaker 2: I mean you as an MC, you're writing, yes, but
Speaker 2: it's like you're not sitting there thinking like you know,
Speaker 2: I gotta add something that does this, I gotta add something.
Speaker 2: You just writing what comes to mind. So that's what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. And he pointed out stuff that I did,
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there listening and talking and when I'm
Speaker 2: the whole time looking at him, but in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm like, real, I did that. Now I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: and then like you know, we finished, I had to
Speaker 2: like go back and listen to records from the mid
Speaker 2: eighties early eighties, like now they had to be someone
Speaker 2: that did this before me, Like damn, Like I never
Speaker 2: thought about that. Like, yeah, he said some deep stuff, man,
Speaker 2: he said some real deep stuff. He's a suitor of
Speaker 2: the game for sure.
Speaker 3: I love that fact.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that when it comes to the ogs,
Speaker 1: like he always you know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 1: didn't he accept the award.
Speaker 3: And he listed off, Yeah, mad people almost, But him.
Speaker 1: And Melly Mail were at it, like you can't call
Speaker 1: Mellie mill as they relax.
Speaker 2: Me and Mel.
Speaker 6: Me and Mel actually did talk. See.
Speaker 2: The thing that a lot of people don't understand is like,
Speaker 2: I have a perspective on hip hop because of the
Speaker 2: way I understood it first time I heard hip hop
Speaker 2: was seventy seven. I have a perspective, you know, from
Speaker 2: what I learned from that point. Whenever it was that
Speaker 2: you heard it, whenever it was that you heard it.
Speaker 2: His perspectives that we all have, right, Melly Mel has
Speaker 2: a perspective from the origin. Okay, and a lot of
Speaker 2: those cats feel that when it went to record, hip
Speaker 2: hop was ruined at that point. The purest form of
Speaker 2: hip hop was ruined as soon as it went to record,
Speaker 2: When it became an official music genre.
Speaker 3: Became a business. Yeah, okay, yeah, that gang. I would
Speaker 3: assume that was the first time they felt that way.
Speaker 2: It's possible, but I mean it's like, well, I would
Speaker 2: assume maybe a year so later, because it's like now
Speaker 2: you're seeing the effects. You're seeing what's happening to what
Speaker 2: y'all created and what y'all been doing. Now it's going
Speaker 2: a different direction and how it's being driven. So it's
Speaker 2: like you have to understand his bitterness, you know, because
Speaker 2: it's it's not about hate.
Speaker 6: It's about, you know, what happened.
Speaker 3: To his baby, right, you can't dismiss that.
Speaker 2: You know her cast as well, you know a lot
Speaker 2: of them, you know, so it's what happened to their baby,
Speaker 2: you know. So I mean it's like I respect their anger,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, you know, I try to,
Speaker 2: you know, in a you know, diplomatic wage, just build
Speaker 2: with the brother and say listen, man, it ain't work,
Speaker 2: you know, just you know, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because at one point I felt like Melly Mill
Speaker 1: had a problem with everybody he does.
Speaker 2: Mel cursed my ass out one night, Bell's jumped up
Speaker 2: over me, kicked the fucking Ottoman. Was like motherfucker. You
Speaker 2: wasn't there. He was a baby when it ship started.
Speaker 2: You wasn't he was. I ain't gonna bring it up, man.
Speaker 1: But so it's not just a couple of us, it's everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if you relax, be like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just mal, that's just mel Man. I mean,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's like, the bottom line is just man,
Speaker 2: you know, rather he right or wrong. I feel like myself, you, Eminem,
Speaker 2: and so many others wouldn't have been here or wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been gifted at this if it wasn't for Mail.
Speaker 5: Right, you know, let me ask you, in the same
Speaker 5: vein of all this, what do you think? What's your
Speaker 5: perspective on the state of MC today.
Speaker 2: I think that there are a lot of dope mcs
Speaker 2: out there. You just have to find them, right you know.
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of dope mcs out there,
Speaker 2: you just have to find them right now because of
Speaker 2: what radio does right now. Because of what radio does,
Speaker 2: they focus on a certain kind of music, you know,
Speaker 2: and because of that, that's what's put to the forefront,
Speaker 2: and that's all you think about. So you're not thinking about,
Speaker 2: you know, who's lyrical and then the other thing. And
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this to all my lyrical MC's, with
Speaker 2: the exception of Lady London, She's not included.
Speaker 6: Here's why.
Speaker 2: As a lyrical MC, I think that it's very important
Speaker 2: for you to look the part as well look fly
Speaker 2: so that people if they're not paying attention to what
Speaker 2: they say, what you say, they're paying attention to how
Speaker 2: you look and then they gravitate, gravitate to the lyrics,
Speaker 2: you know. But there are a lot of lyrical mcs,
Speaker 2: you just have to find them. But at this point
Speaker 2: in time, what's more important really is like you know,
Speaker 2: a catchy tune, you know, and.
Speaker 5: I'll you said, the look, but also the production, because
Speaker 5: you'll have an incredible lyrically you know, lyrical MC that
Speaker 5: doesn't pick good production to put.
Speaker 3: Those lyrics too.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not he don't pick good production, is that
Speaker 2: he doesn't pick commercial productions. Most lyrical MC is like
Speaker 2: bone BAP and that's not what's really selling or what's
Speaker 2: playing on the radio, you know. But you do have
Speaker 2: lyrical mcs that you know, rhyme over the uh that
Speaker 2: modern style production.
Speaker 6: Like J Cole.
Speaker 1: Government documentary as well.
Speaker 2: He kills Kendrick J. Cole is my favorite MC of
Speaker 2: this era. Shout out to Conway the Machine. I love
Speaker 2: him to death. Billy Butcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the flag stables out there.
Speaker 2: J Cole, J Cole, Oh man, like he's a problem
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: Cole and Kendrick, they're they're tied to me.
Speaker 2: I love Kendrick. But you got to understand Cole said,
Speaker 2: no Cosby shipped.
Speaker 6: But if they're sleeping on me, fuck them.
Speaker 1: I didn't even catch that.
Speaker 3: No Cosh but sleeping on them.
Speaker 2: But if they sleeping on me, there's a lot. I
Speaker 2: don't believe that right there?
Speaker 3: Where do you say that that?
Speaker 2: However, y'all want to come back to this, Yeah, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 2: no for Jake Paul. Now, while we're on this subject matter,
Speaker 2: as I said, I'm speaking about everyone except Lady London.
Speaker 2: The reason why I say that is because Lady London
Speaker 2: she does look the part. She stay fly from head
Speaker 2: to toe, you know what I'm saying. And her bars
Speaker 2: are ridiculous, ridiculous, you know.
Speaker 6: And not only.
Speaker 2: That she she don't be half naked, not say anything
Speaker 2: negative about the women that do. I'm just saying that,
Speaker 2: you know, she don't rely on that you rely on
Speaker 2: her beauty and her lyrics, mainly her lyrics, you know.
Speaker 2: And Lady London, m she said, I go on a
Speaker 2: date just for a date. Just I let that sit
Speaker 2: there for them, catch up, take.
Speaker 3: Your time.
Speaker 2: For Lady London.
Speaker 1: That was woman.
Speaker 2: Didn't get that. Somebody please explain matter of fact, let
Speaker 2: me explain that that that that don't understand. I go
Speaker 2: on a date just for a date, just date, just
Speaker 2: as a rolex. Yes, that's a kind of rolex. So
Speaker 2: she's saying, yeah, I go on a date just just
Speaker 2: for for a dude to buy me a Rolex. Don't
Speaker 2: play with that girl, quick time, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh yeah, yeah, well ka, big daddy king my brother.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something. Our show is about
Speaker 1: giving people their flowers. Were always wanted to have this
Speaker 1: show to, you know, to to to to salute our ogs,
Speaker 1: the people that made this life possible for us to
Speaker 1: live the life that we live. And we want to
Speaker 1: give you, face to face your flowers. Said, It's like
Speaker 1: a Grammy because it comes from your own people and.
Speaker 2: We have you back.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah yeah. And by the way, he always drinks
Speaker 1: so exclusive ship drink some Exclusive ship let me just
Speaker 1: tell you something, young whipper snappers. He is og to
Speaker 1: the per talking about anything about him, his motherfucking impeccable.
Speaker 3: Goddamn. Let's go one.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna you wanna splain them, Thomas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, We're gonna give you two choices. If you pick one,
Speaker 5: nobody's drinking. This is a drinking game, by the way. Okay,
Speaker 5: so if you pick one, nobody's drinking. If you say
Speaker 5: both or neither, we all drink.
Speaker 3: I mean he could do whatever.
Speaker 2: He yeah, he can, we don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay, you can do it.
Speaker 2: Now what what what? What's the answer if someone has.
Speaker 5: If I'm saying, we're gonna give you two choices, if
Speaker 5: you pick one, that said, would we just go on
Speaker 5: to the next one. If you say both, like you say,
Speaker 5: well that I'm picking both or I'm picking neither of them,
Speaker 5: then we're drinking.
Speaker 3: Cool all right?
Speaker 9: No, no, no, why yeah, yeah, le's keep it with the wine.
Speaker 9: That's right, Okay, Tupac or d m X. It's your
Speaker 9: mind and you can explain it. You don't have takes place.
Speaker 9: It's all up to you.
Speaker 2: If if we talking artists, Tupac, if we're talking lyricists X.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a drink to me. Sounds like both
Speaker 3: sounds like.
Speaker 1: Again, all right, I like this one Primo or Lars pro.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I would have to say I would have
Speaker 2: I would I would have to say I would have
Speaker 2: to say Primo okay. I would have to say Primo.
Speaker 3: Okay, kick Apri or DJ Scratch.
Speaker 6: You ain't putting me in that ship.
Speaker 3: That's a good.
Speaker 2: That's a good. I'll say like this said Rock a Party,
Speaker 2: Kick Apri, DJ Battle Scratch.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a drink to me, because that was
Speaker 1: the big debate that night.
Speaker 2: Uh, the verses, right, Yeah, I kind of take blame
Speaker 2: for that, man, Okay, let's just play.
Speaker 1: I can see your face.
Speaker 2: No, because like when I told you earlier, he didn't
Speaker 2: want to do it, okay, but then when when they
Speaker 2: got cares to do it, he got he agreed to
Speaker 2: do it with KRS got. So then when Charlie Max said, Yo,
Speaker 2: we want you to use DJ Scratch, I said, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: and then I called Scratch and I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: his as you know, but I didn't know that. You
Speaker 2: know that, you know, they had a little something going
Speaker 2: on and you know, and you know when when Scratch
Speaker 2: went the sucker DJ, and I was like, I was like, no,
Speaker 2: hold no, just like you know, yeah, I came with
Speaker 2: bars right and I spit some some simple ship, you know,
Speaker 2: hoping that Chris was going to, you know, bite off
Speaker 2: of it, you'll come but but he didn't. But I mean,
Speaker 2: even with what I had locked and loaded, I wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna call him no sucker and see nothing that degrading.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's my brother. It's like
Speaker 2: I would spit some battle rounds, but I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do. I love him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And you know I didn't know. I love k Caprice,
Speaker 2: so I don't want you don't call him a sucker DJ.
Speaker 6: A gentleman's yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't take it that way. Asked me
Speaker 1: watching it, I'll be watching it. I really did take
Speaker 1: it as a DJ type type of thing. But when
Speaker 1: Caprite didn't indulged back.
Speaker 3: That's what I was like, Oh, maybe this wasn't right.
Speaker 2: I mean it was like, you know, it was like
Speaker 2: at that moment when scratched, I said, you know what,
Speaker 2: I forgot you the funk I was talking to I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is what the ship stra he was he was
Speaker 2: going scratch. This was just me being being upset with Caprie.
Speaker 2: You know, so now you can do it. Okay, answer
Speaker 2: you know, but but you know, but I forgot who
Speaker 2: I was dealing with. That was that was about fault
Speaker 2: man poo. I'm sorry, brother, I'm sorry, brother.
Speaker 3: Okay, care ras one or rock.
Speaker 2: Him hm hmm. Once again, it's it depends. It's like.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get a lot of it.
Speaker 2: On a song.
Speaker 6: Rock him in the battle Karres.
Speaker 1: Okay, this sounds like.
Speaker 2: Why are you all in our.
Speaker 5: I was trying to avoid I get the next? Okay,
Speaker 5: good one, by the way, all right, Guru or big
Speaker 5: l rest in pieces of both.
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't. I mean these brothers
Speaker 2: and they're not here no more, I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: want to do that one.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna drink for that, so we're drinking. That
Speaker 1: sounds like bo you one the next word because didn't
Speaker 1: mister C bring Biggie to your career?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, okay, mister C.
Speaker 2: Let me hear them. Okay, like he he did the
Speaker 2: thing in his house with Biggie Ryman over the blind
Speaker 2: alley beat that I just have stepping let me hear it.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah, Like she used to be like, yo,
Speaker 6: you don't hear it.
Speaker 2: I'm like because she thought that we sounded similar, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't really. Yeah, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: hear it. Big I could see it. I didn't see
Speaker 2: it though, Oh I could no, no, no, But eventually
Speaker 2: I did, like I think with partying bullshit came out
Speaker 2: and I was like even then, I was telling see,
Speaker 2: I don't see it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Then the One More Chance remix came out and I called, see, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, quests or day I soul.
Speaker 2: Pour up. That's a that's a tough one, man, because
Speaker 2: you know, like Mace is my dude, like my brother.
Speaker 2: But I probably I probably listened to more and then
Speaker 2: what you call it. Dave was such a dope MC too.
Speaker 2: Dave was such a dope see, but I don't know
Speaker 2: make it. I probably listened to more tribe records. I
Speaker 2: probably listened to more tribe records.
Speaker 1: And bigger Dave try day I saw because they you know,
Speaker 1: recently got their master's back. Is that something that you
Speaker 1: you have your masters as well?
Speaker 6: I'm in the process now.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's what all of the Oh Jesus is saying.
Speaker 1: I'm glad the next.
Speaker 5: One DJ Hollywood or Cool Hirk. I'm kind of already well, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, naturally, I would have to pick Hollywood because I'm
Speaker 2: an MC, like I would expect the DJ would pick herk.
Speaker 2: I'm an MC, so I mean, you know, I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, he birthed me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So I would they have to pick Hollywood just for
Speaker 6: that reason.
Speaker 5: Right right next one, Latifa Queen Latifa drink. Oh and
Speaker 5: we need both of them on drinks. Yeah, we've been
Speaker 5: asking for years. Yeah, okay, Molly mal or Pete Rock.
Speaker 2: I would have to go with Mally for the simple
Speaker 2: fact that there would be no Pete Rock. Primo Large
Speaker 2: Professor just blazed, none of them. It wasn't for mallypet
Speaker 2: that's who you know, brought that sample. Like I think
Speaker 2: Curtis Blow is the first person to use a sample,
Speaker 2: but it's just percussions from a Troublefunk record. The person
Speaker 2: that really made sample and the way of hip hop
Speaker 2: production is Marley. So I gotta go with Mally.
Speaker 3: God damn it. Latin quarters are the fever Latin quarters.
Speaker 2: I was so young for the fever, ok like yeah,
Speaker 2: like right now, like south from the Fever. Yeah, even
Speaker 2: be like, yo, man, I need you to do this
Speaker 2: here show for me by I got like ten grand
Speaker 2: come on and this is me, Sally sal came and
Speaker 2: this me Salid. Y'all fucking twelve, man, I wasn't. I
Speaker 2: don't owe you nothing, man, I'm fucking twelve years old,
Speaker 2: so man, don't. But I love Salve Man. I love
Speaker 2: Salve Man as matter of fact. Man, It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: if I'm correct, I believe that's the first hip hop club, right.
Speaker 3: No, the fever, the fever, Oh I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 3: sureing that.
Speaker 2: Fever's like what seventy eight seventy seven, because fever's before
Speaker 2: Halem World, right, yeah, I don't know. I figure it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I'm right, then sal you deserve this right right,
Speaker 2: right right?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 6: Sam Cook? Oh right, y'alls, Sam Cook.
Speaker 2: You know I think Ray Charles, you know, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think he's the first one to take gospel chords and
Speaker 2: sing love music over it.
Speaker 6: But Sam Cook perfected it.
Speaker 2: He put a much more sexier voice to it, and
Speaker 2: perfected the way it was done, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, run DMC or a p M d.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lord Fess or.
Speaker 2: Oc Well, I would say, Lord Finess. I think that
Speaker 2: Lord Finess is a great levers system, great livers system,
Speaker 2: and and also he's responsible for a lot of other
Speaker 2: people having careers.
Speaker 1: Absolutely flat top or gumby.
Speaker 2: You fucking serious, he's got war man. I mean as
Speaker 2: much as I love my my Man Bobby Man, come on,
Speaker 2: man who flat top rules?
Speaker 5: And Jimmy Hendrix or Santana, I.
Speaker 2: Love Santana man, but I gotta go with Jimmy just
Speaker 2: for the simple fact of, like, you know, the blues
Speaker 2: stuff that he did, the way he would make his
Speaker 2: rock guitar talk on a blues song, right, I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's what I think somebody told us here on Drink Sham.
Speaker 5: I think so taught himself. It was Jeordie Clinton that
Speaker 5: told us that.
Speaker 1: Master Ace or Special ad.
Speaker 2: Ace is juice crew man that.
Speaker 1: Says it all okay, fat Joe or Rick Ross.
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 2: I I I kind of want to lean towards Rick
Speaker 2: Ross and see the dark skin chubby dude. But you know, Joe,
Speaker 2: my dude, man, Joe, my dude. That's that's always showed
Speaker 2: me love man, Joe, Joe, Joe, my dude. Man.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're gonna let that one sly ice Cube
Speaker 1: or Scarface.
Speaker 2: That's a hard one there, man, real hard and that
Speaker 2: that's a good one. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 6: Actually would have been a great verses.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that would have been a great verse That's
Speaker 2: that's that's a hard one.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know both because it's it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: Scarface I think is the better storyteller. But oh man,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, I don't that one. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean because like Cube c got
Speaker 2: some joints man, Anywright movies, well they ain't got nothing
Speaker 2: to do with hip hop.
Speaker 3: Let's just try and help you out.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean yeah, I mean, I don't back
Speaker 6: to n W a Q.
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, Cube man, Like like I remember when
Speaker 2: I heard a Bitch is a Bitch from that song alone,
Speaker 2: I was like, this is is gonna be a problem,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, so we say both, Yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: Lola Brook or Lady London.
Speaker 6: Lady London.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Video music Box or your.
Speaker 2: TV matter of fact, come back ask me that question again.
Speaker 2: Load of Brook or Lady lo Okay, Okay, I mean no, listen,
Speaker 2: Lola Brook. I'm gonna be honest with you. I really
Speaker 2: would love to link up with her and work with
Speaker 2: her because what I saw at the BET Awards, I'm
Speaker 2: a fan. Yeah, she goes all out, but Lady London,
Speaker 2: like I would love to actually be in a studio
Speaker 2: with male artists. When Lady London walk in, I got
Speaker 2: a funny feeling that I'm gonna see something I've seen
Speaker 2: before me And like back when I used to DJ
Speaker 2: for Shante, I used to see Shante come in dressing
Speaker 2: rooms and mail artists turn around to avoid smoke. No
Speaker 2: establish male artists that had hit records will turn their
Speaker 2: back to avoid their make an eye contact with rock
Speaker 2: Sanne Shante scared to death for a little sixteen year
Speaker 2: old girl.
Speaker 5: Wow, yeah, we can't let it go. And notice he
Speaker 5: said when he's the DJ for Shant, Yes, I caught that.
Speaker 5: I cut that. I cut that. That was hard.
Speaker 3: Okay. Video music Box or your TV.
Speaker 6: Raps, video music box, Hideo music Box.
Speaker 1: Big up to Ralph mc dames, mob Deep or Mop.
Speaker 2: I mean I love both, but you know, Mop, that's
Speaker 2: that Brooklyn ship, Man, that's that Brooklyn ship. It ain't
Speaker 2: ain't nothing like heying, you know, slap and dance, scream,
Speaker 2: they fucking lungs out on the song. Man. Ain't nothing
Speaker 2: like that energy. Yeah, that energy is just something else
Speaker 2: we need.
Speaker 3: Mop on here too. Scoop a scrap mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Those my brothers. Man, drink that, yeah, drink you mean
Speaker 2: school band scrash? What what you said? I said, I
Speaker 2: said school you know he's no, he said school or scrap.
Speaker 2: I said, you mean school band scrap. I look at
Speaker 2: them as one man, all together.
Speaker 3: This because of my shirt. Bro oh yeah, all in
Speaker 3: the same game.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna say both man, because they both
Speaker 2: served a beautiful.
Speaker 5: Cause it was a great movement man, guy Michael or Prince.
Speaker 2: It's like it's multi talented. As as as as Prince was.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that you know, we're ever
Speaker 2: going to see another artist like Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Man, you said Mike was Prince in the verses.
Speaker 2: In the verses, yeah, okay, versus where on.
Speaker 1: Stage and Kingston.
Speaker 2: No, no Mike in the versus. I mean because you
Speaker 2: you you got to understand Prince play numerous instruments. Prince
Speaker 2: vocal range was ridiculous, you know, ridiculous, you know. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, and he can and he could, and he
Speaker 2: could and he could, he could dance, but he couldn't
Speaker 2: dance like Mike.
Speaker 6: He can't dance like Mike.
Speaker 2: Mike is but Mike is that the better performer though
Speaker 2: Mike is the better performer, you know, So.
Speaker 6: In the versus it's hard to say.
Speaker 2: Because if if, if, if Prince is strategic, he could
Speaker 2: get the edge. But if he's not, Michael, Michael tell
Speaker 2: him apart. But I mean overall, just it's like it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't think I think that Michael Jackson is the
Speaker 2: biggest artist ever.
Speaker 6: I don't think we're gonna ever see another Michael jack
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: No, I had the opportunity, but it was just so
Speaker 2: many people crowded around, and I just was like, I'm good, Prince. Yes,
Speaker 2: I haven't met Prince.
Speaker 3: Where was y'all at We.
Speaker 2: Was in Warner Brothers in more Austin office.
Speaker 3: Was he purple?
Speaker 6: Was he?
Speaker 2: No? I'm correct, I think he has some white shit on.
Speaker 2: He has some white shit or but he was, you know,
Speaker 2: sitting down at more Austin.
Speaker 3: Deaths, you know, hyper dedicated.
Speaker 2: He was like Michael Nah, he was like, you know,
Speaker 2: how may I help you out today? Like acting like
Speaker 2: he was more Awston. He was playing around and act
Speaker 2: like he was more Awson.
Speaker 3: You like this Prince?
Speaker 2: I know you are. Yeah. I was like atually I
Speaker 2: was like like Shot, you know you like, oh Ship,
Speaker 2: this is Prince.
Speaker 3: You know Prince had a deep voice. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: really that's the truth. So I say, you sound like
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Prince.
Speaker 5: I thought he Mike was the same Prince. Imagine we
Speaker 5: would have had both of them still around to this day.
Speaker 6: I would love to see that. That would have been crazy.
Speaker 1: We did w A, n w A or public Enemy.
Speaker 2: I'm not playing with Shot. I mean, this ain't my thing,
Speaker 2: you know, honestly, I don't you know, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: like uncomfortable with putting artists against each other.
Speaker 6: That's something I never raised.
Speaker 2: I know we're playing, I know we're playing, but I
Speaker 2: mean that's just something I just ain't really.
Speaker 1: This one, this one and did I'm gonna get up
Speaker 1: out of here digital or analog?
Speaker 2: Analog? Analog? Right? I mean, it's so like the capabilities
Speaker 2: are endless with digital. But that feel of analog, man,
Speaker 2: that that's feel that his. I mean, just just the
Speaker 2: the tape alone create a hum noise that fills up
Speaker 2: the track, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's just just.
Speaker 3: It records the energy.
Speaker 4: In the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure you right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this last one, say the movie one. I
Speaker 1: think the movie one's fair for him? You do it
Speaker 1: New Jack City or Juice?
Speaker 2: Mm hm hm hmm. That's interesting. Oh man, you know
Speaker 2: what I think I might say. I think I might
Speaker 2: say Juice. I think I might say Juice. I mean
Speaker 2: my reason is because, uh, Juice felt real New York. Right.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know any drug dealers that act
Speaker 2: like Nino in the eighties. Like all the drug dealers
Speaker 2: I knew in the eighties, they didn't act like my
Speaker 2: Wesley played the Nino character, right right?
Speaker 5: Jack said, Yeah, and you got a song on the
Speaker 5: Juice soundtrack. That's an amazing song.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 6: It's an amazing song. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Last one, and then we're gonna go back to the interview.
Speaker 1: Loyalty or respect?
Speaker 6: Loyalty or respect? Can I get them both? Of course?
Speaker 3: That's that's the time we'recording ring your klecoffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm drinking killer. That's the time where we
Speaker 1: always say we should say both. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I think one.
Speaker 3: Goes hand to hand. You think that absolutely.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you because this is something I
Speaker 1: always wanted to know when I first, you know, came
Speaker 1: in and to knowledge with the five percent Nation. One
Speaker 1: of the things that they said it was a stop
Speaker 1: for law. You cannot do, you cannot have was yellow, right, yes,
Speaker 1: And the biz mark says, daddy can't my mic my
Speaker 1: mellow you know on the.
Speaker 3: Mike, because you know you yellow.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to act.
Speaker 2: Like wait a.
Speaker 1: Minute, always want to like wait a minute.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, nobody take this serious.
Speaker 2: I mean he was just making something round with mellow,
Speaker 2: make around with mellow. You know.
Speaker 3: So no one never said hey, hey, god.
Speaker 10: No no, because that's workin ye pork the coloring like
Speaker 10: the cars too.
Speaker 2: Now, the guards was pissed at me about the Madonna book,
Speaker 2: but never about the jell O Ship book.
Speaker 3: When you was finger popping.
Speaker 1: Immed.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what's crazy. That was a different time.
Speaker 3: Must have been a crazy time.
Speaker 1: But but did you only see backlash from the guards
Speaker 1: or what from everybody?
Speaker 2: From everybody, you know, but I mean but yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean like there was like a lot of guards. Hey, yo,
Speaker 2: god man, you need to we need to have a bill, man,
Speaker 2: I need to don't know the science behind that, man,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, but I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean at that point in time, man, you know those
Speaker 2: that really understand, you know, the culture Islam. You know,
Speaker 2: you know that there are white Muslims you know does
Speaker 2: not approve and they don't he probably wouldn't, but they
Speaker 2: don't identify as white, nor the black ones identify as black.
Speaker 2: They all identify as Muslim, right, you know, so you know,
Speaker 2: with that understanding understood, I mean, you know, I'm not gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, be against Madonna because or anybody because they're white.
Speaker 1: You know, It's true, like once she went game, she
Speaker 1: still remains. Man. Yes, so I know we covering this
Speaker 1: the last time. But that Nam Campbell photo shoot? What
Speaker 1: was that for Calvin Klein?
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 6: The Madonna book?
Speaker 1: The same thing? Okay, okay, you was you was outside, man,
Speaker 1: You was outside?
Speaker 3: Man, I ain't gonna lie, brother, Yes, great, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: because nah, this I don't know.
Speaker 6: There's a cartoon.
Speaker 2: There's a cartoon where someone like redid the photo with
Speaker 2: the characters from the cartoon. I don't know what cartoon
Speaker 2: it is, but that's why I was like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: like I need that on the T shirt.
Speaker 6: But it is a known cartoon.
Speaker 2: But they did it like with the one in the
Speaker 2: water with me, Naomi and Madonna.
Speaker 6: But I was like, oh, I need that on the T.
Speaker 1: Shirt because you know, like again, you faved a way
Speaker 1: for like, you know, these big hip records, these big
Speaker 1: moments in hip hop, right, because I remember it seemed
Speaker 1: like there was nothing bigger than Big Daddy came, like
Speaker 1: I remember like my whole childhood, like like I said,
Speaker 1: my flat top was and correct like I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was trying to get my flat top right. I
Speaker 1: was trying to get and and then I remember there
Speaker 1: was one point I believe it was like when I
Speaker 1: Get the Job Done record came out and people was like, man,
Speaker 1: we lost Kane, like Caine is transcended hip hops into
Speaker 1: this whole nother world like they was like that. I
Speaker 1: believe it was using commercial at the time. Was that
Speaker 1: something that you received the backlash for, like I know
Speaker 1: we spoke.
Speaker 2: About the absolutely oh yeah, a whole lot of it,
Speaker 2: A whole lot of it.
Speaker 3: The record wasn't the video.
Speaker 2: I think the record okay, But I mean there was
Speaker 2: several songs, you know.
Speaker 6: But let me ask you this in hip hop.
Speaker 2: Today, right, I'm ready, how many songs do you hear
Speaker 2: that sound commercial? Yes? How many songs do you hear
Speaker 2: that have singing on them? Right? And how many songs
Speaker 2: do you hear on the radio that sound like boom back?
Speaker 2: Not a lot? See me as a student of hip hop,
Speaker 2: one thing I've always understood is that hip hop music
Speaker 2: musically has no origin. Grandmaster Cas said it best. I
Speaker 2: didn't invent anything. It reinvented everything. Musically, it has no
Speaker 2: origin because what herk was doing was taking other people
Speaker 2: music and bringing the breakbeat part playing that other people music,
Speaker 2: and that's what rappers rhyme to. That's what beat boys
Speaker 2: danced so right. Even though Human beat Box when they
Speaker 2: started out, they was doing beatboxing to break from records.
Speaker 2: There was other people music and those records were what
Speaker 2: impeached to President by Royal c. Soul song soul music,
Speaker 2: not hip hop soul music. Good Times by Chic Disco
Speaker 2: Rocket James Brown, Funk, Rocket in the Pocket by Saron
Speaker 2: Techno or Electronic or whichever one you want to use.
Speaker 2: Big Beat by Billy Squire, rock and roll, you see
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Nautilists by Bob James Jazz. So all
Speaker 2: of those elements always been a part of hip hop.
Speaker 2: And that's all I was doing, was incorporating elements that
Speaker 2: already been a part of hip hop. Right you know?
Speaker 1: Do you think that because like, like you said, like
Speaker 1: it's so many hooks, like if you look at job RULs,
Speaker 1: so many things that do you think that was the
Speaker 1: invention of like people thinking that this is the way
Speaker 1: to go at the commercial route? Matter fact, let me
Speaker 1: rephrase that question. Was that more of a record label
Speaker 1: thing or was that a cane thing when you were
Speaker 1: saying let me let me go down?
Speaker 6: That was a cane thing.
Speaker 2: When I was doing it, I wanted to explore different
Speaker 2: things and try to open the mind frame of my
Speaker 2: fan base, you know, to see a bigger picture. That's
Speaker 2: what I was really trying to do. I just was
Speaker 2: a little too early with it, right you know. Had
Speaker 2: I waited till like nineteen ninety four, and it did
Speaker 2: it on Bad Boy Records, I would have been a
Speaker 2: bad mon I mean Puff sort of vision Puff, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, like like I love and respect Puff for that.
Speaker 2: Like he's like clearly he must have told Big like no, no,
Speaker 2: go ahead, kick all your gangster ship, but do it
Speaker 2: on this beat right here, right you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what's the crazy thing about him is Big. If
Speaker 1: you look at all of his lyrics, it's as hard
Speaker 1: as but he, like, like you said, Puff kind of
Speaker 1: like puts soft beats under it and you kind of
Speaker 1: like don't see it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean I'm not even gonna call
Speaker 2: it soft beasts because I mean ship we used to know,
Speaker 2: I mean we should lose get me out, We used
Speaker 2: to lose our mind in the club when Juicy Fruit
Speaker 2: came on. But you can't call it a soft song
Speaker 2: because there's that Ship used to bang in the club
Speaker 2: Juicy Fruit, you know, banging the club.
Speaker 3: And your era too.
Speaker 5: On the other side, you had Hammer pushing that envelope
Speaker 5: of of going commercial and catching a lot of fleck
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 6: But I mean he was a commercial artist.
Speaker 2: But I mean I don't see what I honestly don't
Speaker 2: see what the problem is. Like, I don't have a
Speaker 2: problem with Hammer music. I didn't have a problem with
Speaker 2: Fresh Prince music. I mean because it was hip hop
Speaker 2: from a commercial standpoint. You know, everything don't need to
Speaker 2: be thubbed out. We got artists like Okay, for example,
Speaker 2: what if Will Smith would have put out some gangster
Speaker 2: stuff in the eighties and and some some some real
Speaker 2: live street dudes would have tried them, it would have
Speaker 2: been you know what I'm saying. You know, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, he he did what was right
Speaker 2: for him, and the bars was right, like like lyrically
Speaker 2: he was spitting.
Speaker 6: I thought it was dope.
Speaker 2: It was commercial, but it was dope, and he was
Speaker 2: coming from a different perspective. I don't see what the
Speaker 2: problem was, you know, but I mean, you know, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, people just love to find something
Speaker 2: wrong with everything everything.
Speaker 1: How about Buella likes how you feel about him?
Speaker 2: Same thing with Aillis. I don't think that you know
Speaker 2: that the music was bad. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with him making commercial hip hop.
Speaker 2: You know, I think that some of the things that
Speaker 2: he said in interviews was bad. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: like you know.
Speaker 3: The discrepancies where he was from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all types of stuff, and he invented the yep
Speaker 2: yep and all this other stuff, and it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, just just just just be this successful hip
Speaker 2: hop artists, you know, just winning in the commercial market.
Speaker 2: Just be him. You know, I think that that would
Speaker 2: have worked so much better for him. You know, it's
Speaker 2: just the backlash I think got the better of him,
Speaker 2: because I mean, you look at like Eminem, he never
Speaker 2: tried to be black. He never tried to be black,
Speaker 2: and he talking hood ship but it's his hood trailer park,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But even though there was
Speaker 2: a lot of people that you know, wanted to hate
Speaker 2: on him.
Speaker 3: You couldn't because he was himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like there's there's nothing that's back in
Speaker 2: what you're saying, because he's not trying to be black.
Speaker 2: In fact, he's employing a whole bunch of black people,
Speaker 2: you know, on the label and working for the label,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like he didn't go through it when the lights
Speaker 2: went through.
Speaker 1: And he was lyrically respected through underground.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Well that played the heavy part too. He
Speaker 6: paid his dues.
Speaker 5: I forgot the outside, Yeah, the outside.
Speaker 2: You I mean, being nice as fuck on the mic too,
Speaker 2: and play heavy a major part too.
Speaker 5: But it boils down to authenticities what you're saying, Like,
Speaker 5: I think that's one.
Speaker 3: Of the pillars of hip hop that is important.
Speaker 5: Like if you're truly authentically who you are, that'll shine
Speaker 5: through and get you through a lot.
Speaker 1: But what's the last one?
Speaker 3: They group?
Speaker 6: I thought today was called ever Last.
Speaker 3: Year of Pain?
Speaker 2: Ever Last.
Speaker 5: He was down with Ryme Syndicate with Iced ty in
Speaker 5: them right and then and then he did House of Pain.
Speaker 1: I we think it insane. Clown Posse is authentic to
Speaker 1: what they do and to where they're from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for real, even even Beastie Boys, absolutely, you know,
Speaker 2: because these is punk rockers turned hip hop, And I
Speaker 2: mean it's like their songs are more punk rock vibe, right,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean the way the way they spitting
Speaker 2: and stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: So, I mean and coming out of a and they
Speaker 3: got to Brooklyn, but.
Speaker 5: Coming out of an era where punk rock and hip
Speaker 5: hop were kind of together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, like seventy seven, seventy seventy seven to
Speaker 2: seventy nine was really like where punk rock and hip
Speaker 2: hop came into the forefront.
Speaker 1: That just walked this way.
Speaker 6: That's for now.
Speaker 2: I'm talking like Deborah Harry, the Ramones.
Speaker 3: Almost Queens.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, like like they like,
Speaker 2: you know, like that whole punk because what was happening
Speaker 2: was like you had people like Fab five Freddy He's
Speaker 2: going to the white parties, Russell Simmons, Yeah the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they're they're hanging out at CBGB's for the punk
Speaker 2: rock parties. And then they're taking all these hi punk
Speaker 2: broadcasts uptown to Harlem World for a hip hop party.
Speaker 2: So it's like this their mission because they.
Speaker 3: The spikes come from right, the spikes.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, I mean it's a possibility a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, but then again, you know, that could have
Speaker 2: just been some I don't know, that could have been
Speaker 2: some brock ship. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it came the disco. Yeah who told us that.
Speaker 5: I think we heard We've heard different things. I know
Speaker 5: Africa been botting. All them were the first adopters of that.
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, yeah, that's who you need to ask, like
Speaker 2: Van Barda or Mail or flash. We definitely need Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: if y'all bring mail, I want to come back.
Speaker 6: I just want to sit over there.
Speaker 3: It would be amazing to have melly mellow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a I'm ana be in that corner, just
Speaker 2: like like Derek d ditt.
Speaker 6: I tell them why you man?
Speaker 1: Man? Yeah, So let's talk about set it off?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: How did how did that session?
Speaker 1: How did that?
Speaker 3: How did how did that record come about?
Speaker 2: Set it off? Me and Biz went to Mark forty
Speaker 2: five King Crib Yeah, and he played this beat that
Speaker 2: he had for Biz and Biz didn't like it. So
Speaker 2: I told Mark. I was like, yo, if if it's
Speaker 2: okay with you, I use it, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can have it.
Speaker 6: I said, but can it go a little faster?
Speaker 2: So he, you know, he tried to speed up a
Speaker 2: little bit and I was like, no, no, no, I
Speaker 2: meant faster, like if it's thirty three, can you play
Speaker 2: it on forty five?
Speaker 6: And he said, funny you say that.
Speaker 2: He took the disc out and loaded up another disc
Speaker 2: and this disc it was playing. He was like, that's
Speaker 2: the actual speed, he said. I slowed it down for
Speaker 2: Biz because I know he don't like fast beasts. But
Speaker 2: this is the actual speed. I was like, I take it,
Speaker 2: and then he told me, yeah, I already submitted it
Speaker 2: for a public Enemy remix. I can't remember whether it
Speaker 2: was Bring the Noise or not a Living base Head,
Speaker 2: but he had submitted it for a public Enemy remix,
Speaker 2: so he told me I couldn't have it, so, you know,
Speaker 2: BIZ stayed on top of him until finally, I don't
Speaker 2: know whether they turned it down. I don't know if
Speaker 2: def Jam turned it down or whether the case may
Speaker 2: be with Bit stayed on top of him until I
Speaker 2: could get.
Speaker 3: It on your behalf. Bit stay on top of him, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's good.
Speaker 2: Stayed on top of Mark forty five until I can
Speaker 2: get the beat and then Busy you know, like call
Speaker 2: me yeah. And then he gave me the beat, and
Speaker 2: when I was sitting there, I'm like, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't really want to rhyme over that. I think we
Speaker 2: should say that for the hook. And then I put
Speaker 2: this James Brown shit in the you know, yeah, I
Speaker 2: put that in there, and then yeah, and that's how
Speaker 2: we did it. And it was like I had something
Speaker 2: in mind already because it was like I had heard
Speaker 2: sex Machine from James Brown, and I'm listening like, you
Speaker 2: know we're gonna do it moving grooving.
Speaker 6: Can I count it off?
Speaker 2: Can I? I'm like, I need something like that where
Speaker 2: like the energy is there before the bea drop. I
Speaker 2: got to figure out a way to do it hip
Speaker 2: hop wise. And I was like, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 2: just start the rhyme off acappella and didn't let the
Speaker 2: bee come in.
Speaker 6: So that's why the letter rope get bold. I just
Speaker 6: caun't let that and.
Speaker 2: Want to build down up. Then I just thought, you know,
Speaker 2: I was trying to like do what James did with
Speaker 2: Sex Machine.
Speaker 3: Makes no noise that I got there. Let's go to
Speaker 3: warm it up?
Speaker 6: Can warm it up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Warm it up? Biz once again? Man Coov called me
Speaker 2: one day. Kov called me on the phone. Kov is
Speaker 2: biz DJ for those that don't know. He called me
Speaker 2: on the phone one day and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: I got this joint for you. This shit crazy and
Speaker 2: it's perfect for you. I'm like, okay, what's happening. He
Speaker 2: was like, Nah, it's one of them up tempo joints.
Speaker 2: BIZ was going to use it. But and before you
Speaker 2: could say anything else, you hear bus in the background.
Speaker 2: It so goddamn fast. V was like, but yo, I
Speaker 2: need you do me a favor. I need you to
Speaker 2: write this here ship for me with my BAM. So
Speaker 2: he asked me to write this verse for him, and
Speaker 2: you know then you know they gave me the beat.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's another joint that came
Speaker 2: from BIZ just like a step crazy.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy?
Speaker 1: And I'm jumping off subject but still on subject a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, I hear you you saying this
Speaker 1: so much, like why was BIZ so much of a
Speaker 1: respect at MC and like you you blatantly like wrote
Speaker 1: his rhymes and like he had help, but no one
Speaker 1: looks at Biz like a person that wasn't an MC.
Speaker 1: Like everyone looks at him like a respectable person. But
Speaker 1: nowadays if someone was to get help on that pen
Speaker 1: that they don't, they don't look at him like a
Speaker 1: real MC.
Speaker 2: Because it's like when it comes to MC, and you know,
Speaker 2: you have lyricists and you have party rockers. Uh you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a lyricist, Rock him is a lyricist, Kress g
Speaker 2: rap you know lyricists. Then you know you got party rockers, Biz,
Speaker 2: Dougie Fresh, Busy Bee, you know, DJ Hollywood, Right, So
Speaker 2: it's like with cats like that. If someone right there rhymes,
Speaker 2: you don't trip on that because it's like their job
Speaker 2: is to rock the party and when they come they
Speaker 2: do their job. With us. We're lyricists. Our job is
Speaker 2: to be lyricists. Someone else right now, ship then we
Speaker 2: ain't really lyricists, right, you know, real talk.
Speaker 5: I want to get shout out bov for and he
Speaker 5: has a show with rock san Chante.
Speaker 1: That's why roll that's right, check it out up. I
Speaker 1: wanted to invite me up, write us on.
Speaker 2: Let's go to r A w row.
Speaker 3: No conners back then.
Speaker 6: Right, They had nothing to do with that. Cut it out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: What happened was we had just rhyming with bizz out.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: That's my next question, man, stop doing my interview.
Speaker 2: I was so happy to have that song out. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: everybody thought it was Biz's song. It's playing on the radio,
Speaker 2: but it's like biz Ram's first and then I come on,
Speaker 2: so they thought it was Biz's song. So I got
Speaker 2: a new song out yet and stilled though I'm sitting
Speaker 2: at home, broke me and school, gotta walk fifteen blocks
Speaker 2: to the store. Steal missus for missus missus Paul's fish
Speaker 2: sticks Kansas shrimp.
Speaker 3: Wow here, how old are you at this time? More
Speaker 3: or less nineteen?
Speaker 2: I think nineteen Yeah, but I got a record out
Speaker 2: and I'm broke, not making no money because nobody's booking
Speaker 2: me for no shuts right because biz song. So I'm
Speaker 2: damn near crying to fly Tirl like yo mill, come
Speaker 2: on man to put another song out with just me,
Speaker 2: tires like Yore's Life and the songs like then finally,
Speaker 2: at some point, Tied just got tired of me asking him,
Speaker 2: and he just.
Speaker 1: So people know, fly tis the person that own records Colture.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Tie finally got tired of me asking him, and
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, all right, go ahead, do a song.
Speaker 2: So Mally made a beat and I wrote the rhymes
Speaker 2: the raw. And then this girl I was dating at
Speaker 2: the time, she was like, why are you always going
Speaker 2: on to Molly Malhouse. Won't you spend time with me?
Speaker 2: I got records you can look through my records of
Speaker 2: and she pulled these records out and she had the
Speaker 2: first thing I saw was the soundtrack The Black Cason,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that was my movie, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was my movie. I'm like, all right, I stay
Speaker 2: so I stayed, I'm looking through the records playing ship
Speaker 2: and the first thing I heard was that that sounded
Speaker 2: funky was pays the cost to be the boss. I
Speaker 2: heard that, I'm like, oh, oh, I gotta use this. But
Speaker 2: then I'm playing more, and then I heard this song
Speaker 2: i'ma feel Good and I heard these horns bo bo,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, that would work on the beat
Speaker 2: that Marley made, you know. So I'm like, yeah, me
Speaker 2: grad this. And then the next morning I did try
Speaker 2: to do what Biz always do, like before he go
Speaker 2: to Marley Cribb. He would always stop it downstairs records.
Speaker 2: That was you know, his you know routine. So I
Speaker 2: did it and I stopped by there and my man
Speaker 2: j C that worked in there. Jac was like, yo,
Speaker 2: we just got these James Brown imports in and he
Speaker 2: played them for me. I forgot what the first one was,
Speaker 2: and he played the other one. It was called cross
Speaker 2: the Tracks kiddn't play. Ended up using it, I think
Speaker 2: from my way, I think that's the name of the song.
Speaker 2: But anyway, then he played the third one and that
Speaker 2: was the catch catch catch. I'm like, yes, I'll take that,
Speaker 2: So I took it, went to Marley crib and was like, yo,
Speaker 2: the song we were somebody. I want to do it,
Speaker 2: but not with your beat. We need to use this.
Speaker 2: Marlly SPADs the funk out. He lost it. Nah, noah,
Speaker 2: we need to But then when I played this ship Mally,
Speaker 2: that ship hot. So he I went to go with
Speaker 2: some pizza and he looped it up. But when I
Speaker 2: came back, he looped up the first two bars. I
Speaker 2: was like, nah, six bars in there's an offbeat sneer.
Speaker 2: We're like, boom, indumped the tape. I'm like, yo, we
Speaker 2: need that. He mad as a motherfucker because now because
Speaker 2: now he got to re sample it. And then after
Speaker 2: he sampled it, dumping the tape again.
Speaker 3: This is pre digital verybody. Yeah, yes, sampled.
Speaker 6: Up again. And then you know he did that and.
Speaker 2: This is rocking, and I'm like, all right, put this
Speaker 2: horn part in. He sampled it, you know, the he
Speaker 2: stopped it. He like, Yo, that shit sound like some
Speaker 2: public Enemy stuff. Man, we ain't trying to sound like them.
Speaker 2: Them niggas want to be Juice Crew. I'm like, Marley,
Speaker 2: this shit gonna drive the record right here. This is
Speaker 2: the thing right here that's driving the record. That horn
Speaker 2: right there is gonna make the world of difference, I
Speaker 2: promise you.
Speaker 6: And then you know, he sampled.
Speaker 2: It in there and put it in there, and then
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, can we get an eight or
Speaker 2: eight on the one the boom? And then Marley said
Speaker 2: watch this, watch this boom boom. He was like ah,
Speaker 2: I'm like hell yeah and yeah. Then I went in
Speaker 2: there and spent the vocals and the rest was his.
Speaker 1: God damn.
Speaker 2: Because the reason that's the reason why I start the
Speaker 2: song off saying here I am l A W is
Speaker 2: because I felt like, finally, here I am because I'm
Speaker 2: a lot to you, not I was broken ship man.
Speaker 2: Were just rhyme with a bit? Just rhyme with Biz?
Speaker 1: That's my next question, And let me ask you because
Speaker 1: this has been like a lifelong debate for me. I'm
Speaker 1: listening to just rhyming with Biz. Were y'all really rhyming
Speaker 1: in the park or.
Speaker 3: That was in the studio?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, it was me Biz and freaking frack because
Speaker 6: as I.
Speaker 1: Listened to it now, it still sounds like because the
Speaker 1: rumor was that you did it in the park, and
Speaker 1: like that was like.
Speaker 2: A no now because what it was was like the
Speaker 2: studio Mic and Mally normally have with the little screen
Speaker 2: thing in front of it.
Speaker 6: We was passing it around.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the reason why I said it.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it was just me Biz and freaking
Speaker 2: Frack from South Side Queens, the two girls from South
Speaker 2: Side Queens, you know, the female rappers. You know, we
Speaker 2: just was rhyming after I did a song song is
Speaker 2: called something and Funky. It's it's also on the same
Speaker 2: twelve inch that was the actual song, but then we
Speaker 2: just rhymed. Afterwards Marley played the freestyle and people was
Speaker 2: requesting that more than the actual song. Wow, it so
Speaker 2: flying time, you know, put it on the twelve inch.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's let's take it a young gifted.
Speaker 2: In Black, Young Gifted in Black. I did a radio
Speaker 2: promo with Marley Maul called Raw Attitude. It was me
Speaker 2: and Antoinette because Antoinette had a song called I Got
Speaker 2: Attitude and I had Raw So we did this radio
Speaker 2: promo called Royal Attitude for for for bls and that's all.
Speaker 2: It was just radio promo. But then Marley took the
Speaker 2: beat and gave it to Shan. But you know, it
Speaker 2: was like I didn't actually produce this one, this one.
Speaker 2: Like I just gave Marley the sample and he put
Speaker 2: it together and he just gave it to Sham, but
Speaker 2: he didn't ask me, can Shan have it? So I
Speaker 2: was like, yo, you owe me a beat tomorrow tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, you owe me a beat.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm not I didn't tell you to get the Shan
Speaker 2: but no, honesty, I didn't really want it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. But I mean I was like, you
Speaker 2: owe me a beat. So Marley played this beat one day.
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, I checked this joint out I
Speaker 2: got for Shan and he played the ship and I'm
Speaker 2: like that's just mean, and he, you know, stopped and
Speaker 2: took it out. I took the fucking fire floppy disk
Speaker 2: and hid that ship in like his R and B stash.
Speaker 2: Real talk that guy. I made it in another stash.
Speaker 2: And then you know, when the time came, it was like, yo,
Speaker 2: you owe me a beat. I need something from you.
Speaker 2: He was like, I he started, you got ready placed
Speaker 2: some stuff. I was like, no, no, no, I already know
Speaker 2: what I want. And I went right back to that
Speaker 2: stash and pulled that disc out and I was like,
Speaker 2: I want that. And when he popped it in and
Speaker 2: so it was y'all been looking for this here ship, yo.
Speaker 2: You know it's supposed to be for sharing. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: you gave share my ship, and that's how that's how
Speaker 2: I ended up with that beat, because the beat was
Speaker 2: really for sharing.
Speaker 5: I said that with vinyl I couldn't afford, I would
Speaker 5: stash it in another section of the violin come back
Speaker 5: to it when.
Speaker 6: I exactly did you you know, you know.
Speaker 5: For the joints that you found samples and co produced,
Speaker 5: did you get the credit?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: No, and let me let me let me just clear
Speaker 6: that up.
Speaker 2: So there's no uh hate or any way that anybody
Speaker 2: can try to, you know, kick dirt on Marley name
Speaker 2: with the joint I'm talking about that I gave Mally
Speaker 2: a beat and he put it together now with like
Speaker 2: raw and Ain't a Half Stepping. These are songs that
Speaker 2: I put together and Marley just did it on the
Speaker 2: drum machine. But these are songs that I put together,
Speaker 2: So I feel like I produced these songs. Get the credit, no,
Speaker 2: but these are songs that I feel I produce. Now,
Speaker 2: there have been many artists that brought beasts to Marley,
Speaker 2: gave him the record, and then Marley put it together.
Speaker 2: You bring someone a record, that's what we call in
Speaker 2: the streets a good fine, a good fine fine. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's Craig digging terms. That's a good fine. So
Speaker 2: that's a good fine. But if you give the record
Speaker 2: of Marley and he you know, sample this part, sample
Speaker 2: that part, put a kick snare to it, whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: high hats on tambourines, whatever, he's producing the song.
Speaker 6: You just found a dope break record. That's all you did.
Speaker 2: But like songs like Raw ain't a half step and
Speaker 2: these are joints.
Speaker 6: That you know, I pretty much did all.
Speaker 3: The structureing and you give it a black one.
Speaker 2: That's Molly Young gives him black is all Marley. Lean
Speaker 2: on Me is all Molly you know, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: all Mally. I'll take you there all Marley. Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: How about the Wrath of.
Speaker 6: K Rafter Kane. That would be mek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was a funny session to Marley
Speaker 2: was pissed, but he didn't. He didn't.
Speaker 6: He was like, it's too far, it's too fast. Let
Speaker 6: me slow it down.
Speaker 2: I'm like nah, I'm like nah, I ain't never go
Speaker 2: this fast. I'm like, I never went this fast, Like
Speaker 2: I need to take it to the next level. And
Speaker 2: he was like, yo, only people gonna like this ship
Speaker 2: is Puerto Ricans and break dances. I like it because
Speaker 2: with Raffa Kine, it's like it had to be switched
Speaker 2: around because the beat goes boom.
Speaker 6: We got get got got boom boom.
Speaker 2: Gat, So we had to catch the second part boom
Speaker 2: get boom gat and make that first to make the
Speaker 2: first part boom but gat gat make that second, so
Speaker 2: it would be like boom gat boom gat boom but
Speaker 2: got gatt. But they had to be switched around, you know,
Speaker 2: not get that part, then get that part and then
Speaker 2: switch play that one you know this first and then
Speaker 2: that's you know what I'm saying. I had them to
Speaker 2: do that, you know. But once again, you're that was
Speaker 2: something that you know, our structured as well, because the
Speaker 2: reason for that was because fly Tire couldn't get them
Speaker 2: to release set it off as the second single. He
Speaker 2: was trying to get Warner Brothers to put out at
Speaker 2: that office a second single. They wouldn't do it. They
Speaker 2: wanted to go and I'll take you there because now
Speaker 2: since I was on Warner Brothers. Prince was willing to
Speaker 2: clear the sample, so they wanted to go with that.
Speaker 6: Fly time. I couldn't get you set up.
Speaker 2: So since I knew that there was nothing I could do,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't even convince them to do set it
Speaker 2: off as the B side, I'm like, well, let's set up.
Speaker 2: They was like one of us was like, no, just
Speaker 2: in case we do a third single, we rather hold off.
Speaker 2: So I just said fuck it. Then I just went
Speaker 2: in the studio. I did a new song, which was
Speaker 2: rafa king.
Speaker 3: But what made you pick that song to come out
Speaker 3: to the Apollo with.
Speaker 2: They told me that they record mostly everything, and they
Speaker 2: was like, you know, we record most of them. We
Speaker 2: got a studio upstairs, so like when people be on stage,
Speaker 2: we normally record, you know stuff, So we have a
Speaker 2: whole lot of shows, concerts record the audio recorded.
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, I want to I want to do that.
Speaker 2: Did you hear them?
Speaker 1: Did you hear it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, I don't gotta hit a ground. I
Speaker 2: can hear my asthmetic ass you listen like that was
Speaker 2: the first time I realized. I'm like, yeah, you gotta
Speaker 2: get your breathing right.
Speaker 3: But that's how you know you're perfected.
Speaker 1: This none of us hear that, Oh we hears you
Speaker 1: tearing that ship down and the crowd going crazy.
Speaker 2: But next time we listen to Rath, I'm shouting like
Speaker 2: motherfucking dopad on it, you know what I'm saying on.
Speaker 3: The way here, and that it sounds so dope.
Speaker 1: I love I loved shows back then when you have
Speaker 1: to buy hard tickets and things like that, do you
Speaker 1: do you miss days like that? Hell yeah, because like
Speaker 1: right now, like these people can like buy like online
Speaker 1: not even show show up to your curency.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not really the days of the tickets,
Speaker 2: it's the days of.
Speaker 6: The appreciation.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 2: Nowadays, you know, you come on stage, if there's ten
Speaker 2: thousand people in the audience, you're probably looking at seven
Speaker 2: thousand cell phones.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I hate that they're like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you know, it's like nobody's really enjoying.
Speaker 5: Appreciating the experience anymore. Yeah, it's something they're trying to
Speaker 5: capture for later.
Speaker 3: Which yeah, yeah, that's that's kind of crazy. But you know,
Speaker 3: let me just.
Speaker 1: Tell you how powerful your your stage presence is the
Speaker 1: other day, you know, obviously I'm studying, you know, for
Speaker 1: the interview, but I'm also just looking at on the
Speaker 1: internet and I'm looking at your stage show, right, and
Speaker 1: then I just go randomly and I'm looking at money
Speaker 1: bags yo, and money bags Yo, Damn your same routine.
Speaker 1: Like damn, they're like, you know, jumping around and I'm
Speaker 1: looking and I'm like, he probably don't even know, you know,
Speaker 1: like like his stage presence, like where he actually got
Speaker 1: that from, like having dances interacting with them, And I
Speaker 1: was just sitting there like damn, like that this form
Speaker 1: of hip hop is still in, It's just in a
Speaker 1: different thing.
Speaker 6: I gotta I gotta look him up now for me.
Speaker 2: But I would, honestly if that's what you saw, and
Speaker 2: I would love to meet that brother. I would love
Speaker 2: to like really just sit and build with him about,
Speaker 2: you know, performance, just to tell him some of the
Speaker 2: things that I've heard.
Speaker 1: But you know what's crazy. I used to go to
Speaker 1: the road with Oconnelly. Ocannella used to stop and he
Speaker 1: used to do like these girls with bananas and that
Speaker 1: he had he had his version of scoop and scratch
Speaker 1: no no, no death serious because he had put in your
Speaker 1: mouth so he had to make that one song stretched
Speaker 1: you understand I'm saying soul. And then I was sitting
Speaker 1: there and I'd be like and he'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: I got this stage presidence from Kine And I'd be like,
Speaker 1: did you did you know like a lot of people
Speaker 1: like Bay State stage presidence on how entertainment he was
Speaker 1: on and you are on stage.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: You know. I remember when me and you had the
Speaker 2: conversation in London about performing down again, you know, But
Speaker 2: I mean it's like I think it's I think I
Speaker 2: think it's a blessing because.
Speaker 6: That's something that's been important to me.
Speaker 2: You know. I saw Bizz perform and do what he
Speaker 2: do and I was like, yo, he's rocking the crowds.
Speaker 2: But it's like I didn't want to do the funny stuff,
Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, Okay, what's my niche? What's it
Speaker 2: gonna be? And I learned my niche from Dougie Fresh.
Speaker 2: It was like doug came to see my show and
Speaker 2: he was like, no, I'm gonna watch it from the crowd,
Speaker 2: And he watched it from the crowd and we came
Speaker 2: backstage It's like everybody's like, yo, you tore that ship down, Yo,
Speaker 2: you bodied it or you just say body then, but
Speaker 2: whatever the word slang was in like eighty seven, you know,
Speaker 2: He's like, yo, this and that.
Speaker 3: What did dog say?
Speaker 2: Dog? Well, you know in his fucking high pitch boys,
Speaker 2: you know, why are.
Speaker 1: You Everyone's telling dogs like man?
Speaker 2: And I mean I'm like looking at him, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you fucking old school hater. But then he goes, yo,
Speaker 2: what you're doing, won't you come back to the crib,
Speaker 2: let's be So we go back to his crib and
Speaker 2: he popping these videos Earth Winning Fire, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd,
Speaker 2: and he's showing me this stuff and he's like, yo,
Speaker 2: you see what they're doing. He's like, this is what
Speaker 2: I learned from Because everybody else is studying Run DMC
Speaker 2: and Flashing the Furious five and Odini, I'm studying what's
Speaker 2: never been done in hip hop before and introducing it
Speaker 2: for the first time.
Speaker 6: Wow, And I'm like m hm.
Speaker 2: So that next morning I woke up, went straight to
Speaker 2: Tower Video and bought VHS's of James Brown, Barry White,
Speaker 2: and Marvin K and started studying those. I mean, fine,
Speaker 2: like like like fine, fine to like yeah everything you
Speaker 2: know from Barry White taking his pocket square, wiping his
Speaker 2: sweat out us on his face.
Speaker 1: Where do you get that routine when you dropped the
Speaker 1: mic and then you pick it back up?
Speaker 3: What is it with the.
Speaker 2: Drop drop ship make it? Look?
Speaker 3: What did you get?
Speaker 1: Because like, I know what's coming, Like it's like a magician,
Speaker 1: like you know the trick is coming, but I still
Speaker 1: get caught.
Speaker 3: I'm looking like he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna do it, He's gonna do it, and you're still
Speaker 1: not still.
Speaker 2: Amazed, Like well, you know, that was something we used
Speaker 2: to do before internet days, so okay, nobody really knew,
Speaker 2: you know, but then once you know, it became you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, I started trending so crazy. I just
Speaker 2: stopped doing it in the show. But yeah, we used
Speaker 2: to do that a lot back then. This is like
Speaker 2: early two thousands, you know, before you know, Internet was
Speaker 2: real crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But how did you come up with that? Like did
Speaker 1: you the mike actually drop out of that?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no, no, I was it was like
Speaker 2: it was a rhyme that I wrote and uh, matter
Speaker 2: of fact, now I ain't gonna put dude, on blast.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Somebody had told me that you know that that that
Speaker 2: the rhyme, that I could have spit something harder, you know,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, you know, like yeah, motherfucker,
Speaker 2: and I started staying it on stage and it was
Speaker 2: coming off on stage, you know, and then I was like,
Speaker 2: I got an idea, this one. I got an idea.
Speaker 1: So I just you talking to this one person in
Speaker 1: your mind. You're saying, you talking to this one person.
Speaker 6: Like like now. It was like, you know, like day
Speaker 6: day day.
Speaker 2: They told me the rhyme was hard enough, and I
Speaker 2: started sage's killing them. And then I'm like, you know
Speaker 2: what I got said the idea. So I just then
Speaker 2: I added those bars in the front of the round,
Speaker 2: those those in the front where I dropped the mic,
Speaker 2: and then I started to ride, you know, and it
Speaker 2: started killing every night.
Speaker 6: It was just something I just came up with.
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. We have we have comedians on here all
Speaker 1: the time. Before and then we'll come back to this,
Speaker 1: uh lean on me and we'll come back to that.
Speaker 1: But we have comedians on here all the time. Comedians
Speaker 1: say that had they had these material uh that they
Speaker 1: that they made back then, now they might not be
Speaker 1: successful comedians. Is there any lyrics that you think though
Speaker 1: from back then that you can.
Speaker 3: That wouldn't survive survive nowadays?
Speaker 2: Did you think, yeah, what's the work's going to mine?
Speaker 2: I'll take you there? I mean I think that the
Speaker 2: song was you know, what I was talking about was,
Speaker 2: you know, a beautiful spiritual message. But I don't now,
Speaker 2: I don't think it would have stood. I don't think
Speaker 2: it stood the test of time. Okay, lyrically, I don't
Speaker 2: think it stood the testa time.
Speaker 3: You don't think it aged?
Speaker 2: Well, nah, no, I'll take you there. Definitely be one
Speaker 2: of those songs I don't think. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I'll
Speaker 2: take you there.
Speaker 3: How about this one? You're ready for one?
Speaker 1: Ready you take them eight to eighty?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, like right now, Yeah, I just said
Speaker 2: that ship this year I had register.
Speaker 6: Ebody moving neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that would have went you know.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that was the that was the same.
Speaker 6: But yeah now yeah yeah that ship.
Speaker 1: Well also a great a great song with nicest move
Speaker 1: peppering ain't easy. That's still like around like people still
Speaker 1: say it, say it.
Speaker 3: How did that record come about?
Speaker 6: Just one night in the studio.
Speaker 2: I forgot what we was recording that day, but Nice
Speaker 2: and Smooth came through and we just decided, let's do
Speaker 2: a song. Wow and did that? No? I did that?
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, that's right. I forgot you.
Speaker 2: Well I did it and had to beat rocking.
Speaker 6: And then Prince Paul he was there too.
Speaker 2: He said, yo, let me put some drums up under it,
Speaker 2: and he put the Mary Mary drums up on of
Speaker 2: it and then basically kicked me out the control room
Speaker 2: and took over the whole goddamn over fucking session.
Speaker 6: Here what you have up him?
Speaker 2: I'm a rap artist.
Speaker 3: Are you the cops that.
Speaker 5: We might have talked about it last time you were here,
Speaker 5: But let's refresher Hollywood Burn Burn, Hollywood Burn with a
Speaker 5: Public Enemy and ice Cube talk about that record.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when I got the call from Chuck,
Speaker 2: I was like ecstatic, you know, because I mean a
Speaker 2: big Public Enemy fan. And you know, he sat there
Speaker 2: and broke it down while he was envisioned, and I
Speaker 2: thought it was a dope concept. I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: see it, I see it.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 2: And then at the end then he adds on, yeah,
Speaker 2: ice Cube gonna be on the tool and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, you didn't know that.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: He ain't telling me that the end of the conversation, right,
Speaker 2: He told me that at the end of the conversation.
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know, yeah, So, I mean
Speaker 2: I really wanted to like really come through because Chuck
Speaker 2: was somebody that I really admired, looked up to because
Speaker 2: of what he represented in hip hop. Right, you know,
Speaker 2: the type of figure he is, you know, He's someone
Speaker 2: that I've always admired, respected and looked up to. So
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm honored to be on a song
Speaker 2: with you, right, you know, and I wanted to be right.
Speaker 1: So you wrote your verse before knowing ice Cube was
Speaker 1: on there?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, he told me at the end
Speaker 2: of the conversation, so I knew he was going to
Speaker 2: be on it.
Speaker 5: And Chuck told us that that song is what kind
Speaker 5: of ushered you know, qes leaving n w A and
Speaker 5: working with the Bomb Squad and was a part of
Speaker 5: that whole like transition.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 6: Okay, beautiful, Speaking.
Speaker 1: Of that, do you do you write your rhymes different
Speaker 1: when you know someone else is on the record or
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, Okay, if I if I know.
Speaker 2: That someone like real lyrical on a joint.
Speaker 6: Matter of fact, I tell you a funny story.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 6: I did a song with Game Game. Uh.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of the song, and I
Speaker 2: know the chorus is like KRS spits like you know,
Speaker 2: the game spit like the Daddy can't spit. I can't
Speaker 2: remember the name of the song. But anyway, when we
Speaker 2: did it. Now, I had did a song with with
Speaker 2: KRS called it was a tony touches Me KRS and
Speaker 2: g RAT, I think so. But yeah, we me, KRS
Speaker 2: and Givat we did a song and me and he wrapped.
Speaker 2: We came in there on our ship and KRS came
Speaker 2: in there, you know, as the teacher, right, and we
Speaker 2: just did a show together, and you know, he was
Speaker 2: in his teacher mode, you know, you know, so this
Speaker 2: night at the studio, I'm like, okay, me Game, KRS.
Speaker 2: You know, okay, Los.
Speaker 1: Angeles in l A oh wow, Yeah, I just Lucky
Speaker 1: Man Game in Heavy.
Speaker 2: And Heavy d rest in Pieces just did the show
Speaker 2: the House of Blues, Wow, and they all asked us
Speaker 2: to come through the game you know, his.
Speaker 3: People, his game session.
Speaker 1: He invites his game You Cares and Heavy d Heavy.
Speaker 2: He invited me and KRS and Dougie Fresh game like
Speaker 2: Doug beatboxes at the end History History didn't that's history.
Speaker 3: That's a dope track.
Speaker 2: Wow. So you know, in my mind frame, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, ship, I'd have been drinking half drunk. I'm like,
Speaker 2: but I got some old ship. I got some old
Speaker 2: ship that a tear them apart. I ain't even trapping.
Speaker 2: And I get there and then kr Rest goes in
Speaker 2: there and Rhyme's first, and I forgot what he said
Speaker 2: something about about remember that song Chicken Noodle Soup. That's
Speaker 2: how your head gonna look on the back of your coop.
Speaker 6: And he was he was sitting on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said something about about something about some about
Speaker 2: something about pussy you eat around the bush, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: it was it was like and then like I just
Speaker 2: got up and I grabbed my wife and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, going there and make me a cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: You know, I need some coffee. I gotta wake the
Speaker 2: funk up. And she was like, what's wrong, what's wrong?
Speaker 2: The teacher's not here, Blastmaster. I was like, the teacher's
Speaker 2: not like Chris ain't playing shipped to get Yeah, for real, that's.
Speaker 1: The one time you have to be righteous.
Speaker 2: No, well, no, I never. I didn't write anything. I
Speaker 2: was about to say some old ship. I never. You know,
Speaker 2: he ain't playing Oh god, damn kings around. I can't
Speaker 2: remember the lad.
Speaker 1: He's about.
Speaker 5: You do you think in terms of like the way
Speaker 5: that hip hop the trajectory, people are saying that it's
Speaker 5: become a commodity for industry and the cultural aspect, which
Speaker 5: is graffiti, the dancing and the break dancers of B
Speaker 5: boys and be girls, the dj mcs has been dissected,
Speaker 5: taking apart.
Speaker 3: Do you feel that that's true or not true?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But I mean you know what you expect, man,
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that happened with rock and roll,
Speaker 2: that happened with jazz.
Speaker 5: You know, you don't think it's avoidable for hip hop,
Speaker 5: that it can come back.
Speaker 2: To what it was not not unless we take control
Speaker 2: of hip hop. And when I say we, I don't
Speaker 2: mean the artists. I mean y'all motherfuckers, you know, and
Speaker 2: and uh like the Kevin Lyles and you know those
Speaker 2: type of cats you know say like Okay, look I
Speaker 2: want this. But I also want this, you know, I
Speaker 2: want to talk about this, but I also want to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 6: That, right, you know, And it's like.
Speaker 2: Showcasing the lyrical artists, showcasing showcasing the conscious artists, you know,
Speaker 2: and making it where you know, everybody guess that same
Speaker 2: equal type of play. Because I mean, you got to
Speaker 2: think about it. You know, conscious hip hop was the
Speaker 2: forefront back then. N w A didn't really get no
Speaker 2: radio play. Luke didn't get no radio play. Ghetto boys
Speaker 2: g Rapped didn't getting no radio play, you know, because
Speaker 2: of the violence or the sexual content that was mentioned
Speaker 2: in the lyrics.
Speaker 6: You know, conscious hip hop was the forefront.
Speaker 2: But they still went platinum, double platinum, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying because people love them.
Speaker 3: Who are you talking about? No, no, no, We're just talking
Speaker 3: about culturally.
Speaker 5: Like remember we talked about what specially about the industry
Speaker 5: making hip hop and rap music specifically the commodity and
Speaker 5: the culture dissected into.
Speaker 6: But I mean, you know, it's you got to understand.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, from a business aspect, it's all
Speaker 2: about what's going to generate money, and that's the only
Speaker 2: thing they going to think about. Corporation is only going
Speaker 2: to think about what's going to generate money, and once
Speaker 2: something becomes commercial, what happens is quality goes out and
Speaker 2: quantity comes in. Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Well, what's different I think for what you're saying and
Speaker 5: for hip hop specifically with the elements, is that the
Speaker 5: music was the first thing that they were easily able
Speaker 5: to make money off of. But the other elements found
Speaker 5: their way in terms of the art figuring out ways
Speaker 5: to make money. Now, breakdances going into the Olympics, they
Speaker 5: figured out to make money, and those elements internationally are
Speaker 5: just as big as the music itself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3: Just maybe maybe hip hop could be different.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean it's like.
Speaker 2: Graffiti found its way into art, right, not elevating as
Speaker 2: hip hop? Right, Right, they found its way into art,
Speaker 2: break dancing found its way into the Olympics, right, you know,
Speaker 2: not elevating as hip hop. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I said it earlier.
Speaker 1: I think I said this, they brung Big to your crib,
Speaker 1: But it was the rumor that Jazzo brong jay Z
Speaker 1: to your crib.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, okay, Shirt Kings and queens.
Speaker 3: Yea queens, we always something.
Speaker 1: Bug around Queens Brome give it up because because the
Speaker 1: rumor was that you were supposed to sign jay Z.
Speaker 1: At one point it was that just a room. Can
Speaker 1: you straighten that out?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, What it was was Shirt Kings asked me
Speaker 2: to do a mixtape with Jazz, which.
Speaker 6: I came.
Speaker 2: I met with them, and then Jazz said, can my
Speaker 2: man rhyme on the tape? I say cool. So we
Speaker 2: did the mixtape, me Jazz and jay Z and then
Speaker 2: on a ride back home, Nike from the Shirt King says, Yo, really,
Speaker 2: we wanted you to do this because we're trying to
Speaker 2: get Jazz a new deal and we was wondering if
Speaker 2: you'd be willing to work with him to get a
Speaker 2: new deal, okay, And I was like, honestly, I kind
Speaker 2: of liked the light skinned motherfucker better. It's impossible I
Speaker 2: could work with him. And then that's how me and
Speaker 2: jay Z got connected.
Speaker 1: Oh, because you didn't know Jazz, I thought y'all was
Speaker 1: like from the same neighborhood as No.
Speaker 2: Jazz was somebody that ship back then. Jazz was somebody
Speaker 2: I was like extremely jealous of. Jazz was the hottest
Speaker 2: unsigned artist in Brooklyn, Like no Jazz was so popular
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn. Like I had battled a lot of people.
Speaker 2: My name was buzzing, but it wasn't like Jazz. It
Speaker 2: was like it was like fat boys in Houdini Jazz.
Speaker 2: Oh big Gotty knew you know what I'm saying, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so it was like, yeah, he was like popular,
Speaker 2: like a like a signed artist my battle and I
Speaker 2: always wanted to battle this dude but could never find him.
Speaker 2: I even went to Marcy and battled some other dude
Speaker 2: because Jazz wasn't around. But I mean, yeah, I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, like I want to battle. So when they
Speaker 2: said that about it, you know, it's like I got
Speaker 2: records out and stuff. But I mean it was like
Speaker 2: I'm thinking in that mind frame, you know. But then
Speaker 2: when they said this, it was like yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it was great, you know, meeting Jazz and he did
Speaker 2: that fast rapping ship that night. You know, the first
Speaker 2: time I heard that ship, you know, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: dude is dope. You know, I'm like, but yo, that
Speaker 2: that other dude. He just reminded me of me with
Speaker 2: his slick ass tongue. I like to work with the
Speaker 2: light skin dude. And then that was jay Z and
Speaker 2: then we started working together.
Speaker 1: I want to touch on something you said earlier, because
Speaker 1: you said a mixtape. When you say a mixtape, I
Speaker 1: want these people to understand what you mean meant by
Speaker 1: a mixtape when you said.
Speaker 2: Well what with the French Gordon had the tape with
Speaker 2: a bunch of songs on it, but he had a
Speaker 2: freestyle on it. You know, it's like you know song yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and it was a freestyle with me Jazz and jay Z. Wow.
Speaker 2: That was on you know tape with a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of other artists, you know, music mixed together. But anyway, though,
Speaker 2: you know I started working with jay Z. I started
Speaker 2: taking him in the studio and recording songs on him
Speaker 2: and trying to get him signed.
Speaker 6: And you know, we we went to many different labels.
Speaker 1: I need you to lay in one label that eight
Speaker 1: Day Heart Outs. Who did he bring the front on?
Speaker 6: Jay Z Giant Records?
Speaker 1: They go Deaf Jam.
Speaker 2: Jamad Giant Records, Death Jam, Warner.
Speaker 6: Brothers, Warner Brothers, You're fucked up when I'm on.
Speaker 3: Wild Wow.
Speaker 2: But yeah yeah they turned it down. Yeah, But I
Speaker 2: mean and then like when I when I went on
Speaker 2: the road with Patty LaBelle. I. I saw that Patty
Speaker 2: was doing outfit changes. Like I'm sitting here talking, I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 2: they have the same ship, Patty. Patty didn't have red
Speaker 2: on just a minute. Yeah yeah, that's about the third
Speaker 2: time I'm sitting there. So now I'm paying attention. So
Speaker 2: when her tour ended and I went back on my tour,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I called jay Z and I called Positive Care.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I need you to come on the
Speaker 2: road with me.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna bring you out out in the.
Speaker 2: Year year I can.
Speaker 1: I got him? Man, what your man got to do
Speaker 1: with me?
Speaker 5: K holy that that famous recording, that's what jay Z
Speaker 5: comes out, No, Biggie comes out also, right, jay Z
Speaker 5: comes out shy oh yeah.
Speaker 2: In Madison Garden I think it was the ninety three
Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah big it asked mister C can he
Speaker 2: come to the show with the Garden and and say, yo,
Speaker 2: can I come? And can I bring Tupac because Park
Speaker 2: was in New York and you know, see he asked me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, bring him
Speaker 2: on throat so big, but pop through and at the
Speaker 2: end of the.
Speaker 1: Show, that's your show, show, Okay, that's right, the famous biggie.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally forgot that down here on vinyl tape.
Speaker 3: Masters pressed it up and I got it on vinyl.
Speaker 2: Oh. But I was a super fest, I believe, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety three, and you know, near the near the end
Speaker 2: of the show, I brought them all up on stage,
Speaker 2: Big Pie, uh shah, heem yeah he was there to yea,
Speaker 2: yeah shah. He was on tour with me, like his label,
Speaker 2: his label, his label sent them. He was there too, No, No.
Speaker 3: Was because not Jaz's not on one of the recordings.
Speaker 6: No, he's not on that, not on that one.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's on that vinyl, just on something else.
Speaker 2: Jay Jay, I think you're talking about my birthday party
Speaker 2: in ninety one.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's probably what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: But yeah, with that one, it was just me, Shaheim,
Speaker 2: Big Jay and School School. Yeah, and in Fat Joe
Speaker 2: was there too, right, yeah, yeah, because other night with yeah,
Speaker 2: because Joe was called supposed to go next. Joe's supposed
Speaker 2: to go next, and then they were on the side
Speaker 2: of the stage. Let me know, you got five minutes
Speaker 2: left and I still hadn't done half stepping off woman up.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Yeah, So I couldn't let Joe on, and
Speaker 2: I had to, like I can't, man, you know that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now because I mean it's like, you know, I
Speaker 2: know that feeling because like you know, I was where
Speaker 2: Joe was.
Speaker 6: I was there like a year before.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying with Bobby Brown, you know,
Speaker 2: brought me on and let me rob you know, So,
Speaker 2: I mean I really wanted to bring Joe on, but
Speaker 2: we we only had five minutes left and I still
Speaker 2: hadn't done half stepping off.
Speaker 1: Woman up, did you ever think that Tupac and Big
Speaker 1: they camarbority they had at that time whatever end up
Speaker 1: where they was at, especially that night, did you see
Speaker 1: like you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean successfully or return into the essence what you mean?
Speaker 1: I meant like you know that having beat because at
Speaker 1: the time you look at that, you look at they look.
Speaker 2: Like no, no, these standing next to each otherl you know,
Speaker 2: puff and weed and you know and yeah, and you.
Speaker 1: Just said Big Bung Tupac that you just said that,
Speaker 1: So you didn't even invite Poky Big and Big Bung Tupac.
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And you and you you saw the the chemistry you
Speaker 1: saw that they.
Speaker 2: Were they was cool they were. They're like like they
Speaker 2: looked like you know, like I saw them, like, you know,
Speaker 2: probably doing a whole bunch of songs together and all
Speaker 2: types of ship. The way they looked at night. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw an amazing chemistry.
Speaker 1: So what did you think when when when when this
Speaker 1: beef did transfer?
Speaker 3: Did you liken this guy, this can't.
Speaker 2: Be I mean it really hurt, man, because you know
Speaker 2: it's like I I saw the ll coumo d beef
Speaker 2: and then they would be in front of each other,
Speaker 2: shaking hands, laughing. Yeah, you know, say some sarcastic shit
Speaker 2: back and forth to one another, but it was all.
Speaker 3: Love, almost like a sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've seen, you know, with Shannon care Rests in
Speaker 2: the same room, and you know it wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: no drama, you know what I'm saying. And then like
Speaker 2: to understand that like you know, cold crush, fantastic five,
Speaker 2: like these dudes battling for a thousand dollars, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and the thousand dollars go to the
Speaker 2: winner the other motherfuckers broke and then a thousand dollars
Speaker 2: how you split that against six members? You know, and
Speaker 2: it's like you know, like that's what hip hop is
Speaker 2: to me, that right there where you know, six dudes
Speaker 2: can battle another six dudes to spit, I mean to
Speaker 2: split one thousand dollars right and then go home satisfied.
Speaker 2: And look at that at wob Loss, it's like we
Speaker 2: need to write some new ship and that's the end
Speaker 2: of it. You know, to see that this can escalate
Speaker 2: into something like that, you know, it was just sad
Speaker 2: to see. Man, it was sad to see.
Speaker 1: How was it traveling to l A at that time
Speaker 1: for for you? Like you know, I mean I remember
Speaker 1: somewhere around that period we had no choice, like when
Speaker 1: we flaned into la like the record labels had security
Speaker 1: around us, like we had no choice. How was it
Speaker 1: for you after that time period?
Speaker 2: No problems? I mean, you know that ship. Nobody was
Speaker 2: looking at me like that like I never had no issue.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that was more or less a
Speaker 2: bad boy death crew against crew. You know.
Speaker 6: Now there was summer y'all that.
Speaker 2: You know, it shipped me a trinkle down on because
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, you you know, I think there was
Speaker 2: some ship with NAS and you know, you know, with
Speaker 2: your affiliation with nods.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You know, so it could, you know, but with me,
Speaker 2: it was like I wasn't affiliated with none of that ship.
Speaker 1: Didn't Eric be try to sign you to death Row
Speaker 1: East at one point?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, how did that? What happened with that?
Speaker 6: He called.
Speaker 2: And said, Yo, still trying to you know, build a
Speaker 2: death Row East man, and you know, I think it
Speaker 2: might be a good look for you. And you know,
Speaker 2: he ready to cut a check. Yeah, you're willing to
Speaker 2: meet with him? I'm like yeah. So I went out there.
Speaker 2: You know, we had a meeting and then he was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: we're going to Vegas tomorrow. You on the roll yet?
Speaker 2: So I went to Vegas with them for a tyson
Speaker 2: fight and then you know we out there. No, not
Speaker 2: the one that Pop got, This was the one right
Speaker 2: before it. No, no, no, no, no, no, this one
Speaker 2: before before that one. But we went and then you know,
Speaker 2: Sugar was talking about working with death Row artists. I'm
Speaker 2: like yeah, And then part came over and he was like,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yo, I love the work we cane
Speaker 2: and he was like, well, Ship, let's stop talking about it.
Speaker 2: Let's make it happen. So we leave Vegas and we
Speaker 2: just got there. We leave Vegas and go back to
Speaker 2: take a flight back to l A that night and
Speaker 2: go to Death Row to the studios to do the deal.
Speaker 2: No to to record to record. Okay, So me and
Speaker 2: Park went in the studio and did a song together.
Speaker 2: And then the them, the little dudes, Yeah.
Speaker 6: They came as soon as we got it.
Speaker 2: They came up the park talking about you old Lauren,
Speaker 2: He'll dish you mob deep dishoe that, this and that,
Speaker 2: and so then Park went in the studio and started
Speaker 2: writing some ship about I think it might have been that.
Speaker 6: I think it was. Yeah, he started he started writing
Speaker 6: that ship.
Speaker 2: While he was in there writing that ship, I I
Speaker 2: wrote a song for Hammer. Hamm was on death for
Speaker 2: I wrote a song for Hammer. And then then they
Speaker 2: was like yo, Sugar, Sugar, ready to meet with you.
Speaker 2: And we sat and we had a meeting, and like
Speaker 2: when I walked in, these two big ass rock willers
Speaker 2: came around.
Speaker 4: The dogs there they come running around, sniffing around me
Speaker 4: and stuff, you know, and then Sugar, you know, he
Speaker 4: comes out the back, sits down with a cigar, sits
Speaker 4: a cigar down and does this, and both the dogs
Speaker 4: ran and sat down next to him.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, okay, this one of the meetings.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't I never my picture.
Speaker 6: And then we talked and.
Speaker 2: Uh he said, well what you want and you know,
Speaker 2: keep in mind, you know this is back then, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'm like and I'm not. I'm not sure where
Speaker 2: his head is at and how relevant he see me?
Speaker 2: So the play is safe. I'm like, well, listen, man,
Speaker 2: why don't we just do a one album deal with
Speaker 2: a one year option, right and you know, say like
Speaker 2: a four hundred thousand advents. He's like, that's an odd number,
Speaker 2: while you just simply say five hundred thousand, Like, well
Speaker 2: the five hundred thousand of this, and man, you big
Speaker 2: daddy came, Man, I can't see myself, you know, signing
Speaker 2: you for less than a million. I got to give
Speaker 2: you a million.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: He because you're already a household name.
Speaker 2: That's why.
Speaker 6: And then he said something that was so appealing.
Speaker 2: He said, because you see Pop, you know, Pop became
Speaker 2: a household name. Snoop became a household name. And that's
Speaker 2: what I be trying to tell the Dog Pound. They
Speaker 2: got to, you know, make themselves a house household name,
Speaker 2: but they didn't want to identify, you know, as individuals.
Speaker 2: They just want to keep scro dog pound and that's
Speaker 2: why the motherfucker's only sold two million, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: two million is low number. I'm like, my man, you
Speaker 2: know that was appealing to me. He said that, but
Speaker 2: then he was like, well, yo, look, I don't know
Speaker 2: how you doing financially, but you know, if you want,
Speaker 2: you know, I can, you know, you know probably, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, just just get your hundred k in the morning.
Speaker 2: That's when I knew was tign to go. I was like,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna give me a hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: Nah, I don't know contract I owe.
Speaker 2: Someone a hundred thousand with no agreement. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'll let you know tomorrow. And then I went and
Speaker 2: switched my flight to like a six a m joint,
Speaker 2: got the fuck up out of La hit Eric and
Speaker 2: was like, you know, yeah, nah, I'm good man. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna chill man. But it wasn't that like physical respect,
Speaker 2: no showed mad love. It was just that didel Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's not I don't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, you're to me, that's like the start of debt.
Speaker 2: And it just wasn't a good I didn't feel it.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the guy checking into jail and the
Speaker 1: fires a box of new Ports on his on his bed.
Speaker 1: I'm like, where the fuck did this come from? Like
Speaker 1: you know that like this ain't free. There's something to
Speaker 1: be paid back. Taking that exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: I understand you. Yeah, so what was the beef for you? A?
Speaker 1: Shan?
Speaker 2: The beef?
Speaker 6: Honestly, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: I guess when I got down, you know, well, I
Speaker 2: mean a quote according to Shan, it was like he
Speaker 2: said that that's what that's what they thing was like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're the new member.
Speaker 6: You gotta pay dues, Yeah, you gotta pay dues.
Speaker 2: Wow. But you know it's like when I got down
Speaker 2: with Biz, it wasn't that type of thing, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It wasn't like you know, like you know,
Speaker 2: saying like ship or asking me to carry his bags
Speaker 2: and ship like that. You know. So when I got
Speaker 2: down and like you know, Shan kept referring to me
Speaker 2: as the you know, I just felt like, okay, dude
Speaker 2: got something against me. And you know, you know, I
Speaker 2: try to, you know, just just keep my distance. But
Speaker 2: I remember one time, and I think it was in Virginia.
Speaker 2: Showed Fat Boys and Salt and Pepper, and you know,
Speaker 2: he was doing a little he was getting real extra
Speaker 2: with it, and you know, I said something to Biz
Speaker 2: about it, and you know, Biz told me to chill
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. So I just, you know, I just
Speaker 2: try to keep my distance. You know. It's like all right,
Speaker 2: you know, And I was like, all, let me just
Speaker 2: stay away from dude, you know, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: the way I just tried to handle it. But then
Speaker 2: we eventually got cool, you know, like it was me
Speaker 2: and him. We was living on the same block and
Speaker 2: g Rapp was living in the condo right behind Highborhood.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we ended up getting cool. And I'm in
Speaker 2: his condo, he and my condo. You know that type
Speaker 2: of thing, you know. Yeah, like you know, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I love sham Man. I love Shaping. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, once I got to know him, I know that, Okay, Yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Just the personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just like to argue and you know, you
Speaker 2: know that's his thing, you know. Yeah, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love sham So.
Speaker 1: Is the symphony the greatest hip hop posse cut.
Speaker 3: Of all time.
Speaker 6: I think so, I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, the only reason I say that is because.
Speaker 6: When I think of like my favorites, what is your favorite?
Speaker 1: Like head banger, Okay, so that's the Vegas head banger.
Speaker 2: With depth guard though, right banger saying what's the jay
Speaker 2: Z joint? You mean him and her? Is that name
Speaker 2: of it? You meant him and her? Yeah, Like, when
Speaker 2: I think about it, it's like the reason why we'll
Speaker 2: go with the symphony is because I think that everybody
Speaker 2: on there spit fire.
Speaker 3: Yes, I believe.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think there's a lot of great
Speaker 2: posse joint. What's what's the nods joint?
Speaker 4: Live the barbecue, But that's more of an extra P joint.
Speaker 1: That's but that's a puzzy cuts. But you said the
Speaker 1: nas joint. I want to give it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I mean, oh yeah, no no.
Speaker 5: But he's saying, like, it's how a lot of people
Speaker 5: discovered that you're absolutely right, is a good cut? Yeah, yes, yeah, there's.
Speaker 2: A lot of them. But it's like, man.
Speaker 3: From scenario scenario, I think scenario.
Speaker 1: Scenarios number two. I think scenario's number one, Scenarios number two.
Speaker 2: See I see with me It's like I would probably
Speaker 2: go symphony headbangers, and then you meet him and her.
Speaker 3: I forget what that one is.
Speaker 2: That's jay Z, bleak beans and what was the girl name?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: I yeah, yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't put that
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't got that up there. I got reservrat
Speaker 1: dogs with jay Z and locks and beans in them.
Speaker 1: I got that up there. More reservoir dogs.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: You me, I got Shatcha.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would even I know, I know this is
Speaker 5: not it wouldn't be considered a positive because they're a group,
Speaker 5: but they are individuals.
Speaker 3: It's protecting neck. No, I can't put that as a
Speaker 3: post come looking back at it now as their individuals
Speaker 3: as hell.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't realize how out of line I
Speaker 1: was by rhyming on the symphony until I've seen Tyler
Speaker 1: Qually the other day. He did it, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to call him and say, don't you.
Speaker 3: Ever do that again?
Speaker 2: No, No, I think that Tyler lib versus Dopey.
Speaker 1: None of us can. None of us can recreate that moment.
Speaker 1: Got that record alone, all of us lead a symphony alone.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But I think I Honestly, I thought
Speaker 2: that it was just great to just see that type
Speaker 2: of vibe, you know, because I mean it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you got to think from a musician standpoint, right, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like there's a lot of stuff that you look
Speaker 2: at his classics, but like tell the truth, man, you
Speaker 2: like say say say Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney. You wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been mad at print doing Paul McCartney focus with
Speaker 2: you at all. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's like, you know, sometimes it's just
Speaker 2: something it's just a little a little different. You know,
Speaker 2: it's the original and that's a variation of it, you know.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it's good to just you know, think.
Speaker 2: Out the box and try something different sometimes. Man.
Speaker 3: So you my bad fad changing up.
Speaker 1: But you recently just performed the queens Bridge Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you how was that?
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was like I had g
Speaker 2: Wrap come into Lincoln Center. That was dope, And he's
Speaker 2: told me that he had a show in Queen's Bridge.
Speaker 3: He brong you out. I thought you brung him out.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was wrapped folks show. And he told
Speaker 2: me he had to join Queen's Bridge, and I was
Speaker 2: like when I'm like, well, I'm here in New York.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, you need me, and he was
Speaker 2: like hell yeah, I'm like all right, cool. And I
Speaker 2: was like, we'll shoot me your email and I'll I'll
Speaker 2: send you an instrumental of the symphony because he said
Speaker 2: he said he only had a version, you know, Josh
Speaker 2: edited version just for his verse. Oh, so I was like,
Speaker 2: I'll send you a version, you know, for both of us, okay,
Speaker 2: And then he was like you know, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, you need me to do something else.
Speaker 2: He was like yeah yeah. I was like all right, well,
Speaker 2: I'll send you the symphony joint and I sent woman
Speaker 2: up and then you know, I came, you know, rock
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 1: God damn, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think the tragedy. And he said that he came to.
Speaker 1: See you, I believe, and when you was in Queensborgs
Speaker 1: or something like that, or he came to see you perform.
Speaker 1: But so they didn't announce your name, no, no, oh,
Speaker 1: well he was a surprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was a surprised guest because this was g
Speaker 2: rap show, you know, I mean, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: she rapped that man that that may be my favorite
Speaker 2: MC man. I mean, he's someone that I've always loved
Speaker 2: and he's always been so inspirational to me. Man. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can remember numerous nights, you know, back in the eighties,
Speaker 2: like you know, I called his brother up on the
Speaker 2: phone late at night and right and I'm like, you know, like, yo,
Speaker 2: check this out. I got this joint the best, So yes,
Speaker 2: I guess, yes, the best. Your fast. You know.
Speaker 6: He's like, oh, that's fired.
Speaker 2: Then two nights later, Gi called me back and he's like, yo,
Speaker 2: I got just from the joint, checked this out, the
Speaker 2: creature feature capture rough to teach. He like it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, he was like that dude that always kept
Speaker 2: me on my toes man, I mean, and just a
Speaker 2: hell of an m C. And I mean, and the
Speaker 2: crazy thing is like we got down with the Juice Crew,
Speaker 2: damn near at the same time. Like he got down
Speaker 2: like maybe like six months before me or some shit
Speaker 2: like that, right, you know, because Polo had this dude
Speaker 2: Frost and he got locked up, and then Polo you know,
Speaker 2: brought on g in and then Biz brought me in.
Speaker 2: But this all happened in eighty six.
Speaker 1: Wow. You know, so let me ask you if Master,
Speaker 1: if you have a show with Master Ace, Craig g
Speaker 1: g rap and you all on the same show, who
Speaker 1: performed symphony? Do y'all do it together or do y'all
Speaker 1: do it separate?
Speaker 2: Or no? We would definitely do it together, okay on
Speaker 2: the show and whoever's I mean, I guess whoever's going last?
Speaker 2: I would think it would make bad sense. Okay, who
Speaker 2: was going to last? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, be selfish? Is somebody to come out and just
Speaker 1: do that first?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: I mean I don't think that we would do that.
Speaker 2: I think that you know, we would, you know, get
Speaker 2: together collectively, you know, figure out Okay, yeah, how we're
Speaker 2: gonna work the symphony in right?
Speaker 3: Definitely? Let me ask you.
Speaker 1: Right, everyone has love for mister See everyone knows and
Speaker 1: you know, from from.
Speaker 3: You the biggie to all of this.
Speaker 1: And then it was at one point it was like
Speaker 1: this controversy that he was going through. What did you
Speaker 1: think of that when you heard, you know, like like
Speaker 1: he was living an alternative lifestyle.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's that's his life. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a brother I've known since high school.
Speaker 2: You know, I've known this brother since high school and
Speaker 2: he helped me down through thinking things. That's beautiful, you know.
Speaker 2: So I've always loved and respected mister C. And whatever
Speaker 2: he going through, I personally feel like I'm going through
Speaker 2: it too. So I mean, anything I can do to
Speaker 2: help or be in his corner, I'm willing to do.
Speaker 2: You know. I love mister C like a brother, you know.
Speaker 1: So what's what's left for Caina doing this game? Man?
Speaker 2: I think, you know, honestly, I wanted I want to,
Speaker 2: you know, do some more movies, and I really I
Speaker 2: really want to, you know, connect with with some young artists.
Speaker 6: I would really like to like that. I like that
Speaker 6: with some young artists, you know.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, yeah, I mean I just certain artists
Speaker 2: I just see and I'm like, I see something special.
Speaker 2: Like Lady London. I think she's special. I think Lola
Speaker 2: Brook is special, a special. You know, certain artists I
Speaker 2: just feel like they just special. You know. Even even
Speaker 2: Conway the Machine, there's something special about him. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if he's really channeling into it. I think
Speaker 2: I see it, but I see something very Yeah. We
Speaker 2: did a song. I did a song for for Buster oh.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like three generations I saw and everything R.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah hip hop man like coming off fifty years. I
Speaker 1: know we spoke about it earlier. I know we spoke about,
Speaker 1: you know, the cliches of it being this far. But
Speaker 1: now with this AI thing, you you are you are
Speaker 1: you are you? With AI.
Speaker 6: Another no, no, I am not. And he's the.
Speaker 2: Really shit about that AI comes into effect. Right.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to affect me. I'm a performer.
Speaker 2: I have a set fan base where I haven't had
Speaker 2: a hit record in like thirty years. Right, It's not
Speaker 2: going to affect me Big Daddy Kane fans that want
Speaker 2: to see me, hear me. I think that what's gearing
Speaker 2: up for the future is that because right now with
Speaker 2: the younger generation, it ain't like how I said, you know,
Speaker 2: if we got a ten thousand, see the seven thousand
Speaker 2: of them got their phones out. With the younger generation,
Speaker 2: they're in a ten thousd I see the ten thousands
Speaker 2: of them got their phones out, so they already watching
Speaker 2: the ship or filming the show instead of really focusing
Speaker 2: on it. It's a phone thing, right, We got AI
Speaker 2: and we have holograms. Right, we got a bunch of
Speaker 2: young artists there's not really really performing on stage, right,
Speaker 2: So what's going to happen is there's going to be
Speaker 2: digital artists. They're going to create holograms of of uh
Speaker 2: this perfect looking artist.
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't see they had one. They had like
Speaker 1: an artist and no, no, no, no, no, Drake, shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up. No, no, I'm talking about There was a
Speaker 1: real artist that was an AI artist. He was signed
Speaker 1: the Universal and then he said nigga and then he
Speaker 1: dropped them. Y'all know what I'm talking about. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: said like he was he was.
Speaker 2: That's what's getting ready to happen where you you what's
Speaker 2: going to happen is they're going to create holograms.
Speaker 6: And with the AI thing, it'd be like, you know what, would.
Speaker 2: This artiste give them some blonde dreads, make a bunch
Speaker 2: of tattoos, muscle bound and you know what makes his
Speaker 2: voice sound like Michael Jackson, No, I ain't hurt Michael Jackson,
Speaker 2: spitting bars make his voice sound like Michael Jackson. And
Speaker 2: concerts will be downloaded to your phone right where you
Speaker 2: don't even have to go because you ain't fucking looking anyway,
Speaker 2: This younger generation ain't looking anyway.
Speaker 6: They just got their phone up the whole show.
Speaker 2: So wouldn't it make more sense for them to just
Speaker 2: be able to buy the concert and just right there
Speaker 2: because the.
Speaker 1: Streaming selling selling tickets today. Concert where you don't even
Speaker 1: get to see them, What do you mean you don't
Speaker 1: get to see them? You don't get you know, it's
Speaker 1: all your owing audio only. That's some crazy shit.
Speaker 3: It's hard. It just makes some noise for them discovering
Speaker 3: the trick.
Speaker 1: Think about that, they're going there to hear it. Okay,
Speaker 1: you lost me then yeah, they go to the car sirt,
Speaker 1: but they don't get to see her.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. They don't get to see them, and.
Speaker 1: But they get to hear it's it's audio tickets, yeah, said.
Speaker 5: Wild because the concert to me is everything is visual.
Speaker 1: Yeah that turns me off. Like when I go on stage.
Speaker 1: Seldomly go on stage, but I go on stage and
Speaker 1: everyone's just like this, I'm looking like motherfucker, I'm right here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the point to see your favorite artists on
Speaker 5: stage live like moment.
Speaker 2: All right, But I mean with this younger generation need
Speaker 2: to understand that it's going to affect them down the line.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean far down the line. No, it's
Speaker 2: all happening. It's happening very fast. And I would hate
Speaker 2: to see that happen to the younger generation where they're
Speaker 2: replaced by digital images and digital voices. I want to
Speaker 2: see them when be successful, you know, make money, be
Speaker 2: able to feed their family, you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: have you know, successful careers.
Speaker 3: That was part of the sack strike right now, that
Speaker 3: big sag strike.
Speaker 4: It's about all of that. Yeah, that's part of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the digital, the facial stuff, and they just want
Speaker 5: you to be a voice actor and then they're gonna
Speaker 5: take your whole image and.
Speaker 3: You different things, different ways that they'll apply it.
Speaker 1: And you ran into something too, like the sign language interpreter.
Speaker 3: You remember what fake one.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 6: He was a real interpreter.
Speaker 2: What happened was, uh, like I've seen like people that
Speaker 2: do sign and you know, they're standing there, you know,
Speaker 2: doing what they do. So when I came on stage,
Speaker 2: I'm performing, and then I looked to the side of the
Speaker 2: stage and I stupid like this, you know, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he was an interpreting. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought that he was somebody came out on that
Speaker 2: crowd just making gestures.
Speaker 6: I don't speak sign. I mean, I don't really, I don't,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: So when I saw him, because of his energy, because
Speaker 2: he's jumping, so I'm thinking that he's just someone just
Speaker 2: came out there just having any moment, Like I'm big
Speaker 2: that he can't hype man. So I pushed him to
Speaker 2: the side and then I went and started performing. Now look,
Speaker 2: he was back out there again, and I pushed his
Speaker 2: ass to the side again, and then I went. And
Speaker 2: then when when we finished the song, my DJ was like, yo, yo,
Speaker 2: he you know, he told me who he was. And
Speaker 2: then I walked up the dude and I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, man, I didn't know.
Speaker 6: Poly you know.
Speaker 2: I apologized, and then and then I held his hand
Speaker 2: up and told the crowds, you know, like listen, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm glad he here. I say. I said something like
Speaker 2: because even if you can't hear me, I want you
Speaker 2: to enjoy the show. So thank you brother, you know,
Speaker 2: and and left it like that. And then he finished
Speaker 2: finished what he was doing. But I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was that was like a first
Speaker 1: like controversy on the internet, like like you know, like
Speaker 1: I mean probably yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: like in this new version of.
Speaker 6: Me, you know, everybody wanted to cancel you, you know
Speaker 6: for something.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like everybody looking for some ship to
Speaker 2: be bitter about.
Speaker 1: You know, was that something abnormal to you or you
Speaker 1: you adapted to it because you know, back back in
Speaker 1: the days, the room was about you, but you it.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't come to you.
Speaker 1: You didn't have especially you didn't have an Instagram, Like,
Speaker 1: so was that something like that was that was different
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 2: When when when you I mean, I ain't really give
Speaker 2: a ship, man, I mean, because it was like it
Speaker 2: was the type of thing where you know, I know,
Speaker 2: I didn't do nothing wrong, and once I understood who
Speaker 2: he was, I apologized to him, and.
Speaker 1: You did on your Instagram as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I mean it was like you know, people.
Speaker 2: Even had they well you you didn't uh apologize to
Speaker 2: the death community.
Speaker 6: I ain't doing it to the death community.
Speaker 2: I pushed him the guy, and I apologize them. That's
Speaker 2: who I would the apology to, you know, plain and simple,
Speaker 2: you know, and I mean you know, because it's like
Speaker 2: I didn't understan, I didn't know what was going on, but.
Speaker 6: Once I found out what was going on, corrected to
Speaker 6: me quickly.
Speaker 2: You know, because yeah, because of Yes, if you can't
Speaker 2: hear the show and he's there to help you understand, yes,
Speaker 2: I need him, like I would love for someone like
Speaker 2: him to be at every goddamn show, you know. I
Speaker 2: see the importance and I respect that. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think people are too sensitive nowadays?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well yeah, like we so sensitive that you
Speaker 2: can be on someone's side, agree with what they're saying,
Speaker 2: but just if you word it in a way that
Speaker 2: don't sound like they'll get mad at you all the time.
Speaker 2: That's why it's for me, it's it's just so much
Speaker 2: easier to just ship what we call the fuck up.
Speaker 2: I'll just be quiet and go ahead, go ahead?
Speaker 1: Was you know? Because we're pushing this documentary. What made
Speaker 1: you want to come together and push this documentary?
Speaker 2: The documentary is called Paragraphs I manifest Para, and what
Speaker 2: it's about is the lyricism in hip hop and the
Speaker 2: importance of it, Uh, songwriting.
Speaker 6: What made you write this song? What was the inspiration?
Speaker 2: Things of that nature, Because the documentary is really for
Speaker 2: the younger generation. I want the younger generation to understand
Speaker 2: the importance of lyricists. We can't lose that, you know,
Speaker 2: because yes, because it is a law thing in it.
Speaker 2: And I want them to really understand that. And hopefully,
Speaker 2: you know, by hearing from the pioneers, hearing from some
Speaker 2: of the younger generation, even hearing from some of the
Speaker 2: battle rappers, I'm thinking, I'm hoping that it would be
Speaker 2: something that can trigger something in the younger generation be like,
Speaker 2: you know, nah, I want to, you know, have some bars.
Speaker 2: I want to, you know, because I want, like I said,
Speaker 2: I want to I want to see these young cats win.
Speaker 2: I want to see them succeed. I want to see
Speaker 2: them keep hip hop, you know going. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm fifty four years old, my dude. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be here forever. You know. You know,
Speaker 2: Rock I'm not gonna be here forever. G rap not
Speaker 2: gonna be here forever. You know, Nas, you know, jay Z,
Speaker 2: They're not you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And what hip hop does best is reflect and
Speaker 5: report what's going on. And how can it do that
Speaker 5: if it has no lyrics? Right, if you can't articulate it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're right, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like, you know, there's so many dimensions
Speaker 2: of hip hop and there's so many different things, like
Speaker 2: some people just want to party.
Speaker 4: Right, right, which is a part of it. It's a balance. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But I mean, I just think that when you are lyrical,
Speaker 4: it can help with your longevity. I just believe that
Speaker 4: because there's so many artists that drop party songs and
Speaker 4: then a year, lady, they're forgotten because a new party
Speaker 4: song came out, because it's like all of that was
Speaker 4: just part of a trend. But there's lyricists that said
Speaker 4: something that's stuck to your soul, and these artists had
Speaker 4: longevity because it's something that you said that they probably
Speaker 4: repeat daily yearly, right.
Speaker 5: And and the idea of a lot of us learned
Speaker 5: vocabulary off of lyricists, off of MC's I was never
Speaker 5: good in book studying, but lyrical artists made me want
Speaker 5: to I don't know that word, what does that word mean?
Speaker 3: I want to understand this rhyme.
Speaker 2: That's how I graduated high school. We'll talk. That's how
Speaker 2: I graduated high school looking up no no no. I
Speaker 2: was failing in Social studies. And I was in great Math,
Speaker 2: great and science, great English, my guidance counselor. He was pointing,
Speaker 2: and I had and this is now, this is me,
Speaker 2: my guidance counselor. My mother. We're talking, and I said,
Speaker 2: why do we need eight credits in social studies? We
Speaker 2: need seven in English, foreign maths, foreign science, but we
Speaker 2: need eight and social studies why, I said, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you why. Because social studies is that part in school
Speaker 2: that teaches us all the great stuff that white people
Speaker 2: did for us. That's what you learn in American History,
Speaker 2: That's what you learn in Global studies. And that's why
Speaker 2: it's important for us to have all these courses. But
Speaker 2: after I've learned American history and global studies, how does
Speaker 2: that help me in the future?
Speaker 6: What job does that lay out for me?
Speaker 2: What I'm learning in math can lay out a job
Speaker 2: for me, What I'm learning in English can lay out
Speaker 2: a job for me. What I'm learning in science can
Speaker 2: lay out a job for me. What the hell am
Speaker 2: I learning in social studies? That's going to lay out
Speaker 2: a job for me? Not a goddamn thing unless I
Speaker 2: want to be a teacher. You know, my mother did
Speaker 2: this that was her, I want to slap the shit
Speaker 2: out you, but you know, we in front of people's
Speaker 2: so I'm not going to you know, And my guidance
Speaker 2: counselor he said, I understand. And he looked out for
Speaker 2: me because you know, I don't know. You know, back then,
Speaker 2: you know, you get a credit for government or law,
Speaker 2: not both. You had to cover credit for Black history
Speaker 2: or Puerto Rican studies, not both. I got credits for
Speaker 2: both because he was looking out for me, because he
Speaker 2: felt that I was a good student. Pusce I said, ry,
Speaker 2: I'm on the loud speaker in the morning, official period
Speaker 2: or shit like that, you know. So he was looking
Speaker 2: out for me, you know. But still I didn't have
Speaker 2: enough credits to make that eight. So yeah, I was
Speaker 2: close to failer. And then Mellie mel says on Beach
Speaker 2: Street Breakdown, deca outreach, Hiroshima, Vietnam, Lennogram Ewujima, now Korea,
Speaker 2: the Philippines, devastating depths by the killing machines. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I'd never be a dope m c if
Speaker 2: I don't know what the funk he talking about. And
Speaker 2: I damn sure don't know right now. And I went
Speaker 2: back to my guidance counsel. There I take American ship
Speaker 2: that I pose. I took it, not because I wanted
Speaker 2: to learn American history, not because I wanted to learn
Speaker 2: global studies. But I felt like if I learned this ship,
Speaker 2: I build a rhyme like Melloy mel Yeah, what's on?
Speaker 9: What's on?
Speaker 1: Daddy kinge Ryder? Like if for a promoter of books?
Speaker 2: You what? What?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: The essentials that that that that you need to do
Speaker 3: this show.
Speaker 2: Or the Judy Show, like the Rider. I didn't know
Speaker 2: the Judy Show. I need a microphone. But after the show, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, you know some sweet you know,
Speaker 2: some nice grapes, you know, and.
Speaker 3: Who do you prefer? Camus opus one?
Speaker 6: You're gonna do this again?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like that we did this, you know, you
Speaker 2: know me and you nah. Well, I mean, like I
Speaker 2: explained to you before, I mean with Camus, you know,
Speaker 2: it's the Yeah, if you can still find a twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen Camus amazing, the twenty twenty, you know, but the
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen amazing.
Speaker 6: But right now I'm pretty much on CAD.
Speaker 2: That's all Howell Mountain, like c A d K. It's
Speaker 2: a Howell Mountain. It's like a younger version of plumb Jack.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you don't want to spend all.
Speaker 2: That money in a plumb jack, like yeah, the cad
Speaker 2: Cad I think it's like maybe like about about one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty dollars a bottle by n But that's
Speaker 2: that's a that's a good cab, an amazing cab.
Speaker 6: Or like a nice barolo. What barolo?
Speaker 2: Italian? No Italian? No, no, no, we had one. Well
Speaker 2: he's at the joint, the last one. The next bottle whel.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, because I got something that you
Speaker 1: put me on your ship?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah you got Do you get the caymans on?
Speaker 3: I got the Cayman I believe at the bottom of
Speaker 3: that boy.
Speaker 2: That boy you bought everything but the bottle order. The
Speaker 2: bottle order.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that was a barolo.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, but yeah, it's Italian grape.
Speaker 2: But it's it's a nice medium bodied okay, red, but
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's it's real smooth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so if promoters they got to book you, it's
Speaker 1: always it's always a red.
Speaker 3: What else is on your rider?
Speaker 2: That's like a little crazy, like no no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I I don't got no white m and ms and
Speaker 2: no crazy ship like.
Speaker 1: No green and m and ms. Okay, you got to
Speaker 1: stop that HNT.
Speaker 3: Listen and yellow and yellow skittles, So.
Speaker 1: You got you got nothing like uh like just just
Speaker 1: just just the red skin off the apple. You don't
Speaker 1: got nothing like that.
Speaker 2: No one ain't nothing crazy on the ride, right.
Speaker 7: Gone, body ain't got nothing to writer, He ain't got jolly.
Speaker 7: Has Kane ever had a stylist?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for a.
Speaker 6: Brief moment, a brief moment.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I'm wanting them dudes to like
Speaker 2: going out the box. And you know sometimes you know stylists,
Speaker 2: you know, they might want to tone you down. But
Speaker 2: it's like it's there's certain controversies I like, I enjoy.
Speaker 2: So it's like if I wear something that's a little
Speaker 2: over the edge, there's a reason. There's a method to
Speaker 2: my madness. It's like, I got this on. It looked
Speaker 2: a little crazy, but it's like, wash your mouth. It
Speaker 2: looks a little crazy. But the reason I'm wearing this
Speaker 2: is so that the guys will clown it and the
Speaker 2: women will me you get it.
Speaker 6: So it's a method to the madness, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And it's like the women defending me, they see it,
Speaker 2: they like hmm. But it's not until the guy clowns
Speaker 2: me that they go public. Oh no, you didn't. You
Speaker 2: ain't gonna look their goodness here, you don't know. See
Speaker 2: that's when that's when they go public and they go
Speaker 2: rentid you know what I'm saying, you know, like like
Speaker 2: like like Beyonce's beehive saying that type of thing. But
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you got to get them there,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's stuff that I
Speaker 2: do on purpose, intentionally, you.
Speaker 1: Know him a Donna book? Was that a stylist who
Speaker 1: gave the speedos?
Speaker 6: I can't stand you.
Speaker 3: He wants.
Speaker 2: No. I've been sitting there patiently waiting for normal bullshit.
Speaker 6: I'm like, God, damn, we've been here for a long time.
Speaker 2: None of his bullshit, you know, I've been waiting.
Speaker 1: Oh my, I'm gonna be honest, man, i'ma be honest
Speaker 1: and let me let me say this for you know,
Speaker 1: all the young ins. And I know I've been fatiguing
Speaker 1: to young people, you know, all night, but I want
Speaker 1: to say something. You know, I'm honored to call you
Speaker 1: my o G. I'm honored to you know, following your footsteps.
Speaker 1: I'm honored to honor you. I'm honored to show you
Speaker 1: how much you mean to the rap game, Show you
Speaker 1: how much you mean to us, show you how much
Speaker 1: you mean to the culture. This is a blessing, man,
Speaker 1: to tell you to your face. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to face man, the man out of eye? Man,
Speaker 1: what you mean?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And it means everything to us. Man, we all in
Speaker 1: the group chat. Everyone here, we're all and if you
Speaker 1: can see how we were all excited, like like we
Speaker 1: all were all in a group chat. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: seriously looking at my barber, like you think I can
Speaker 1: get away with it? Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like right now, you think I can get away with it,
Speaker 1: I said myself. But see I know myself. I gonna
Speaker 1: go back like that. I'm gonna have Cornell West on
Speaker 1: my ears.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have motherfucker buck Weed did all that on
Speaker 1: my joint, so already hurt my lesson. But I just
Speaker 1: want you to know, man, you are really an icon.
Speaker 1: You are really a legend. Something that Buster Rohm said,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when he won his BET Awards.
Speaker 1: He said, our icons, our legends, gotta look the part.
Speaker 1: And let me just tell you something. You always looked apart.
Speaker 1: I've never seen you for I've always seen you smooth.
Speaker 1: I've never seen you hate on nobody. I never seen
Speaker 1: you talk bad about nobody. I always see you with
Speaker 1: the greatest, most phenomenal energy, and I just want to
Speaker 1: give it back to you.
Speaker 3: Always, just the case the case.
Speaker 1: If you don't know, I'll just sitting there follow you
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm like, yo, you know, the show has
Speaker 1: got bigger. And I said, man, I gotta get his
Speaker 1: brother his flowers the proper way, not to say, read
Speaker 1: and give you your flowers before the proper way. But
Speaker 1: the show has gotten grew so much bigger, so I read,
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it again. We're gonna do it again.
Speaker 1: This is your platform. If you want to promote pink
Speaker 1: toenails anytime. If you want to promote fucking coffee.
Speaker 3: Cups, what is this ship? What is this coasters? If
Speaker 3: you want to we don't give a fuck. This is
Speaker 3: your platform.
Speaker 1: You can come on here anytime you want motherfucker is everyone,
Speaker 1: put your hands together, stand up if you can't for
Speaker 1: motherfucker big day.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my brother.
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