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Speaker 3: All right, Welcome back to Counterpoints. Tom Ryan Grim here

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Speaker 3: with Emily Dashinsky. It's my favorite time of the year,

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Speaker 3: the show after an election night when the anti abortion

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Speaker 3: crowd just gets completely trounced. Every come out here and

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Speaker 3: do a little victory lap and weed. Also, we'd we

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Speaker 3: did well. Last name, Public Power got rinsed in Maine.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that. So it was not

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Speaker 3: complete wins across the board on ballot measures, but for

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Speaker 3: the most part, pretty triumphant night. Yeah for the center left,

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Speaker 4: And some big results we're going to go through right now.

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Speaker 4: And Ryan was also Keyton and some pretty interesting races

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Speaker 4: that you may not have heard about from a lot

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Speaker 4: races or local races that are worth paying attention to.

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Speaker 4: We're also going to do some updates, of course, on Israel.

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Speaker 4: Rashida Talib was formally censured by the House of Representatives

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Speaker 4: last night.

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Speaker 5: We're going to get into all of that.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get into the raging debate over tying

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Speaker 4: Ukraine funding to Israel that took place in the Senate

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Speaker 4: yesterday and is ongoing. And then of course we're going

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Speaker 4: to dive into the twenty twenty four race. Sager caught

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Speaker 4: some numbers in the New York Times poll that everyone

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Speaker 4: Turns out there was something in the poll pretty interesting

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Speaker 4: that had a pretty interesting implications for RFK Junior's run.

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Speaker 4: We're also lest you think there's too much news happening,

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Speaker 4: but wait, there's more. There's a Republican debate tonight, a

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Speaker 3: That Republican vice presidential debate at best.

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Speaker 5: Republican state debate.

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Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, like maybe vice president. There might be a

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Speaker 3: vice president on that stage, but there's no guarantee, no,

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Speaker 3: not at all. All right, so let's start with Ohio.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with Ohio.

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Speaker 3: So two measures on. The two important measures were on

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Speaker 3: the ballot. There one abortion and we can put this

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Speaker 3: Abortion would have filed because it currently it's just under

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Speaker 3: It's maybe thousands of people at most around the entire state.

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Speaker 4: And on the principal issue for Democrats, it accomplishes again

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Speaker 3: They tried to move away from abortion and over to

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Speaker 4: Twenty four point four million to about sixteen point three million,

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Speaker 4: and pro life groups have a really hard time. Anti

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Speaker 4: that's why that ballot measure that we covered back in

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Speaker 3: But when it comes to funding abortion measures, they're fine

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Speaker 4: But yeah, So for the last couple of years, especially

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Speaker 5: So just what you're getting.

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Speaker 4: From that is increasing acknowledgment that the hearts and minds

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Speaker 3: that from her perspective, they should up with a strategy

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Speaker 4: No, it reminds me actually of repeal and replace, because

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Speaker 4: you know, Lyla Rose knows exactly what she supports on

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Speaker 5: Although good luck to him courting the left flank.

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Speaker 3: Let's throw up Virginia here. So Virginia Democrats kept can

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Speaker 3: didn't misspeak. That's really really is your agenda. But I

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Speaker 3: think most, like almost all Democrats are like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: that's we're going to believe he misspoke. That's not actually

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Speaker 3: what our position is on this issue. And then in

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Speaker 3: the in those key races where that was the focal point,

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Speaker 3: Democrats won. And so but there was so much energy

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Speaker 3: that I think Republicans, particularly the pro life crowd, were like,

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Speaker 3: we can go back in and we can do this,

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Speaker 3: especially after Youngkin. But they couldn't so, but so Susannah Gibson.

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Speaker 3: That's this is House District fifty seven. If you guys

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Speaker 3: want to follow the votes as they come in. Currently

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Speaker 3: Democrats have the House of Delegates, no matter what I think,

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Speaker 3: it's you know that by at least by at least

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Speaker 3: a vote. If there are two uncalled races by the

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Speaker 3: Associated Press, and one of them is Susannah Gibson, she's

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Speaker 3: currently trailing her opponent Owens by roughly two percentage points.

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Speaker 3: This is the candidate who's a nurse, who was busted

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Speaker 3: by Republican Operatives and the Washington Post as doing as

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Speaker 3: like doing sex with her husband online, doing set right

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Speaker 3: on this website, chatterbait which the Washington Post incorrectly accused

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Speaker 3: her of violating its terms of service. It was hilarious,

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Speaker 3: Like the six paragraphs of the Washington Post. It's the

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Speaker 3: first six paragraphs of the Washing Post article about all

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Speaker 3: about how she violated the terms of service by accepting tips.

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Speaker 3: It's such a hilarious way to approach the issue because liberals,

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Speaker 3: you know, they're fine with you know, consenting adults doing

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Speaker 3: everything and doing anything that they want, as.

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Speaker 5: Long as the boundaries of marriage within the.

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Speaker 3: Boundaries of marriage and as long as node's getting hurt.

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Speaker 3: But what you violated the terms of service this website,

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Speaker 3: So we looked into a term. No, they didn't. Actually,

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Speaker 3: the Post and the Republican Opera have just misunderstood the

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Speaker 3: terms of service.

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Speaker 5: They just didn't look closely and.

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Speaker 3: They only read like a snippet and not the rest

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Speaker 3: of it. So anyway, Virginia voters, you know, stood up

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Speaker 3: for people who are falsely accused of violating terms of service.

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Speaker 5: That's important. Read all the fun.

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Speaker 3: Statewide, Democrats abandoned this race like they they tossed her aside.

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Speaker 5: She probably could have won.

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Speaker 3: She absolutely would have won.

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Speaker 5: The margin right now is really close.

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Speaker 3: If she might still win. But had Democrats not abandoned

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Speaker 3: her both they're they're a little super pack that they've

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Speaker 3: got out there, plus the kind of state leaders, then

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Speaker 3: she wins because she's only if she loses, it'll be

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Speaker 3: by triple digit votes.

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Speaker 4: It was, Yeah, as we're talking, it was called that

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Speaker 4: fifty one to forty eight, so by some places, by

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Speaker 4: the way, Yeah, no.

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Speaker 5: Not call.

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Speaker 3: There's still a lot of absentee and kind of mail

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Speaker 3: ballots still to be counted.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know what, Ran. I think.

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Speaker 4: Another important thing to mention out of Virginia is that

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Speaker 4: ad impact politics.

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Speaker 5: Their study of TV.

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Speaker 4: Ads, forty percent of all of those ads in Virginia

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Speaker 4: state ledge and general elections were about abortion.

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Speaker 5: And again, similar to.

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Speaker 4: Other states we've talked about Kentucky, Ohio, Democratic advertisers outspent

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Speaker 4: Republicans by seven point seven million dollars and Virginia, interestingly enough,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's shocking how expensive these races were. The

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Speaker 4: Senate candidates raised ninety four million dollars. The House of

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Speaker 4: Delegates candidates collected eighty million dollars. This is according to

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Speaker 4: Open Secrets. That is a record because in Virginia there

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Speaker 4: actually are no limits on the amount.

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Speaker 3: Of money corporations can give, the loosest laws in the country.

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Speaker 5: It's absolutely insane.

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Speaker 4: And that's where total fundraising by state legislative candidates, according

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Speaker 4: to Open Secrets, has increased.

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Speaker 5: Fourfold over the last twenty years.

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Speaker 4: It's gone from forty four point two million dollars in

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Speaker 4: two thousand and three. When ingested for inflation, you look

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Speaker 4: at those numbers, that is gargantulin and honestly a total.

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Speaker 5: Waste of money.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so culture were loss in Virginia. We go to

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Speaker 3: New Jersey as well. Again you saw a situation where

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Speaker 3: Republicans in New Jersey were hoping that backlash to trans

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Speaker 3: policies in school districts, which were driving a lot of

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Speaker 3: parents to school board meetings, produced a lot of slates

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Speaker 3: to run for school board it would bleed into the

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Speaker 3: state legislative races. But as so far, what it looks

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Speaker 3: like is that Democrats actually expanded their majorities the state

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Speaker 3: legislature in New Jersey. And by the way, there was

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Speaker 3: Democrats also won some key school board elections in Virginia

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Speaker 3: that were fought along these very narrow culture war arguments.

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Speaker 3: And so what is going on? Why do you think

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Speaker 3: the kind of Chris Rufo approach here is getting routed?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it always depends on the candidate.

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Speaker 4: There were some weird Republican upsets to a candidate in

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Speaker 4: the Bronx. This is a strange one. There's a Canada

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Speaker 4: in the Bronx who a Republican woman in the in

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Speaker 4: the Bronx who like set this is like history.

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Speaker 3: Usually on a pope like usually these are like that.

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Speaker 3: There isn't even an opponent Republican opponent on the ballot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Christie, it was a weird race too, Christie

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Speaker 4: Marmarat Marmato.

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Speaker 5: I guess I'm gonna have to learn how to say

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Speaker 5: this name. It's like when.

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Speaker 4: Alexandria Cassio Cortennis. But yeah, so this is thirteen City

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Speaker 4: Council district. It was a really nasty race. It covers

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Speaker 4: a couple of neighborhoods in the eastern part of the Bronx.

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Speaker 4: That's the district they haven't had Republicans haven't had.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: This is the New York Deiliy News. It refers to

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Speaker 4: it as a Republican curse that swept the Bronx for

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Speaker 4: nearly twenty years.

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Speaker 5: They say she broke that.

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Speaker 4: She had a six percent lead over the incumbent Democratic

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Speaker 4: councilwoman and they were going back and forth o republic

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Speaker 4: safety land use. It was just a kind of a

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Speaker 4: weird race, and she was attacking the incumbent DEM for

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Speaker 4: leaning to far left. There was also a weird Republican

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Speaker 4: upset in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: Manchester right and Mayor of Manchester.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Alleghany County DA right in DEM who

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Speaker 4: ran as a Republican on a sort of anti Soros

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Speaker 4: prosecutor line holds on there. So it was you know,

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Speaker 4: it's pretty typical that you have these sort of the

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Speaker 4: sort of smattering in and off your election of what

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Speaker 4: things actually are. Overall, the top line is it was

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Speaker 4: a bad night for Republicans, of course. And actually on

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Speaker 4: that note, we have results as well from Mississippi because

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Speaker 4: that was one of the bright spots for Republicans.

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Speaker 5: We can put those up.

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Speaker 3: This is eight man Tate Reeves.

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Speaker 4: Literally, your manned a lot of people if you weren't watching.

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Speaker 4: Last week we debated whether or not Ryan actually looks

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Speaker 4: like Kate Reeves because apparently people tell you do.

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Speaker 3: That is one good looking gentleman right there. I just

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Speaker 3: want to congratulate him on his triumph over Elvis Presley's

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Speaker 3: second cousin there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he wins fifty about fifty two to forty seven,

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Speaker 4: so fairly close for.

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Speaker 3: A deeper yeah, Press it was hoping to keep under fifty,

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Speaker 3: which would have forced a run off.

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Speaker 4: Presley's kind of a wanna be basher, right, someone who's

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Speaker 4: able to do the kind of populous dem thing in

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Speaker 4: a red state.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he's doing it in an even redder state.

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Speaker 3: So you know, sometimes just the objective conditions that you're

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Speaker 3: faced with just make it impossible for even the best politician.

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Speaker 3: Because he's his track record is pretty incredible. He was

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Speaker 3: a popular mayor in a Republican area. This is Brandon Pressley.

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Speaker 3: And then he's been a multi term member of the

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Speaker 3: Public Commission Board in Mississippi, representing a thoroughly Republican area.

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Speaker 3: And he's he defines himself as like an FDR style populist,

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Speaker 3: and to get that close with a Republican Mississippi is

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Speaker 3: pretty impressive. Although the state does seem to be increasingly

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Speaker 3: trending blue, like are we going to see a plate

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Speaker 3: a time and enough people? You know, combination of the

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Speaker 3: Democratic population growth in the area plus people just moving

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Speaker 3: there for cheaper cost of living. I mean, well, I

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Speaker 3: think and this is makes it blue.

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Speaker 4: This is where I think Dems have you know again

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Speaker 4: paraphrase the Reagan bold colors on Pale Pastel's thing. This

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Speaker 4: is where I think Dems have actually seen the writing

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Speaker 4: on the wall when they see Bernie Sanders sweep in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. You know, win places like Wisconsin, those populist

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Speaker 4: left policies are incredibly popular with you know, those those

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Speaker 4: kind of voters that maybe the Obama Trump person.

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Speaker 3: Or impresses from northern Mississippi, which is you know, has

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Speaker 3: some Appalachian character right.

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Speaker 4: Right, and incredibly correct, worst state. I mean, there's the

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Speaker 4: people there suffer a lot. And yeah, so I mean

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Speaker 4: I think FDR style democratic policies as opposed to Biden's

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Speaker 4: style democratic policies are probably the way to go.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about Pennsylvania real quick. Speaking of yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so a huge, huge victory for Democrats in the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court race. So they had a five to two majority

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Speaker 3: on the Supreme Court, which is just incredibly crue because

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Speaker 3: that's the place where election challenges go. This would have

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Speaker 3: made it four three, but the Democrat won very comfortably

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Speaker 3: against the Republican in a race that saw a lot

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Speaker 3: of money spent on both sides. They also flipped the

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Speaker 3: Superior Court, which is the court just right under the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court had been Republican controlled. Now it's Democratic controlled.

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Speaker 3: And then out in talking about Philadelphia real quick, So

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Speaker 3: Philadelphia has two council seats. DC has this too, that

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Speaker 3: are reserved for the non majority party because it's such

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Speaker 3: a blue area that it would just be all Democrats

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Speaker 3: if you didn't put in some rules so that everybody

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Speaker 3: gets a trophy. And four years those have been held

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Speaker 3: by Republicans. So there's like the two token Republicans on

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Speaker 3: the city council. The Working Families Party last election went

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Speaker 3: after those two seats. One of them won one of

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Speaker 3: them with Kendrick Brooks, she won reelection and they also

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Speaker 3: WFP now seize the other one. So you're going to

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Speaker 3: have a city council that's Democrats and then Working Families Party.

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Speaker 3: Now over in western Pennsylvania, you had two really critical races.

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Speaker 3: One was the district attorney race that you talked about.

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Speaker 3: So the sixth time, six sixth term prosecutor, kind of

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Speaker 3: tough on crime prosecutor, was beaten in the primary by

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Speaker 3: a kind of, like you said, a criminal justice reformer.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he was stros funded or not,

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Speaker 3: but that type of challenger. He then switched like the

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Speaker 3: Buffalo sheriff did, switched parties, did a right in campaign

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Speaker 3: to win the Republican nomination, won the Republican nomination, and

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Speaker 3: then won the general election by like two points or something.

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Speaker 3: So he will be entering his seventh term now as

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Speaker 3: continuing to be the tough on crime prosecutor. The real

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Speaker 3: win that Republicans wanted was the Allegheny County Executive, which

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Speaker 3: is more powerful than Pittsburgh. Mayerican budget of billions oversees

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Speaker 3: the elections in Pittsburgh, and Sarah Inamarado. It was a

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Speaker 3: berniecrat and had been elected to the state House in

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen along with Summer Lee, with the support of DSA,

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Speaker 3: won the Democratic primary. For this race, Republicans nominated this

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Speaker 3: guy something Rocky. I forget Joe Rocky. Jo Rocky just

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Speaker 3: classic pro business, moderate backslapping former banker.

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Speaker 5: Makeup for that character.

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Speaker 3: Jeff yass big funder, big Republican funder who spent a

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Speaker 3: ton of money on the Supreme Court race, also spent

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Speaker 3: a ton of money on Joe Rocky, and he tried

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Speaker 3: to make the entire race about Hamas. And obviously it's

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Speaker 3: an extra resident issue in Pittsburgh. The Tree of Life

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Speaker 3: massacre has made anti Semitism there extraordinarily resident. And Robuster

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Speaker 3: was community robust Jewish community, and Innamorato had that association

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Speaker 3: with DSA. So Rocky said, I dare you to announce Hamas,

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Speaker 3: and she's like, I denounced himas He's like, oh, I

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Speaker 3: dare you to denounce DSA. She's like, I left DSA

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Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. I denounced DSA too summerly left in

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, but it was still he's still kind of

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Speaker 3: hammered away at GAZA as a key issue, which was,

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Speaker 3: you know, it didn't make any sense because Alleghany County

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Speaker 3: Executive doesn't. But her response didn't make much sense either.

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Speaker 3: Her response was, this is actually about abortion, but the

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Speaker 3: Alleghany County Executive does not also have much say politics are.

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Speaker 3: What it's really about is taxes, affordable housing, walk, clean eric,

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Speaker 3: clean water, Like that's what the Allegheny County Executive actually does.

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Speaker 3: But the vote was over abortioning Hamas, it was much

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Speaker 3: closer than you would typically have a Democrat, a generic

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Speaker 3: Democrat on generic Republic Allegany County race. She's only going

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Speaker 3: to win by looks like ten thousand votes or fewer,

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Speaker 3: but still now you're going to have a kind of

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Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders type who and she's pledging to make affordable

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Speaker 3: housing and clean and clean water and access to clean

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Speaker 3: air and clean water like her major priorities.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, anybody running for a County executive race

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Speaker 4: should probably take heed. Those are good issues to talk

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Speaker 4: about with.

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Speaker 3: Rocky said he was going to cut property taxes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so if we put a ten up. I think

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Speaker 4: this is also just as we kind of wrap this segment,

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Speaker 4: this review of everything that went down last night, I

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Speaker 4: just want to put the spending up.

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Speaker 5: For you to see.

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Speaker 4: Republicans were outspent in Kentucky, they were outspent in Virginia,

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Speaker 4: they were outspent in Ohio. They did outspend Dems in

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Speaker 4: Mississippi by by about a million dollars. They massively overspent

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Speaker 4: the Republicans in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court race.

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Speaker 5: I mean not even close.

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Speaker 3: Jeff you asked, he's a step up clearly so cheap here.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, this is like a real problem for

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Speaker 4: Republicans obviously getting the donor base mobilized and energized the

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Speaker 4: sort of high dollar donor race.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, I just think that's.

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Speaker 3: A It's true that ten million for people that don't

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Speaker 3: see a ten million for Democrats on the Pennsylvania Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court to six point five million. If you're Jeff, ys,

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Speaker 3: why just match the ten million?

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Speaker 5: Why not?

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Speaker 4: I'll just throw it in there see what happens, because

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Speaker 4: that really, I mean in local races. I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's necessarily true in presidential races, if you look at

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, I mean it's not quite

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Speaker 4: the same. But in local races, when you are blitzing

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Speaker 4: the airwaves with messaging that's either true or false when

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Speaker 4: it comes to abortion, when it comes to women's rights,

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Speaker 4: when it comes to crime, when you're able to do

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Speaker 4: that and you can be louder than the other person,

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Speaker 4: that does actually make a really big difference in some

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Speaker 4: of these smaller down ballot races and in more localized

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Speaker 4: races too. So again that isn't to say, you know,

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Speaker 4: limiting abortion is wildly popular. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 4: people on the sort of pro life, anti abortion side,

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Speaker 4: like myself, desperately need to realize that and.

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Speaker 5: Reckon with it.

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Speaker 4: But they were also wildly outspent, and that could have

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Speaker 4: made up some of these margins.

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Speaker 5: There's no question about it.

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Speaker 4: So now Republicans need to take a long, hard look

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Speaker 4: in the mirror. I already saw some comments from pundits

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Speaker 4: on Twitter about whether too much money is going to

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Speaker 4: Trump's legal battles, whether you know, too much money is

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Speaker 4: being mismanaged by the RNC runner. Ronnie McDaniel has been

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Speaker 4: ahead of that for a very long time. And you know,

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Speaker 4: she's had Trump obviously to contend with as an electoral

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Speaker 4: benefit and disadvantage in different places throughout her tenure.

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Speaker 5: But these are really bad.

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Speaker 4: Results for her. Not that Republicans weren't expecting bad results.

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Speaker 3: But it's still bad. Well, I think that was our

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Speaker 3: longest a block in history, counterpoints history. You can even

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Speaker 3: throw in rising history, and that never never been a

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Speaker 3: longer a block than that one.

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Speaker 5: So you're welcome.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on now to what I think is the

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Speaker 3: most morally depraved thing that Congress has done, at least

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Speaker 3: in my lifetime, and that is to censure Rashida to

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Speaker 3: leave the only Palestinian Americans serving in Congress while the

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Speaker 3: US is supporting an ongoing massacre of Palestinians. I saw

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Speaker 3: somebody point out on Twitter that the second person ever

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Speaker 3: censured by Congress was censured for introducing a resolution proposing

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Speaker 3: the abolition of slavery, which you weren't even allowed to

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Speaker 3: talk about in Congress. There was a literal gag rule,

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Speaker 3: and so for proposing that resolution, they censured person. I

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Speaker 3: think the absolute moral depravity on display in the house

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Speaker 3: yesterday just leaves me kind of speechless. There was some pushback,

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Speaker 3: and so you know, Mark Pokan here has been engaged

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Speaker 3: in an ongoing war war of words with a pack.

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Speaker 3: He was we were hoping to have him on today

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Speaker 3: actually to talk about this. He's scheduling work. We're hoping

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Speaker 3: to have him next week. This was wisconstant Democrat who

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Speaker 3: has kind of eagerly been taking on the slings and

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Speaker 3: arrows from a pack and he's said publicly the one

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Speaker 3: reason he's doing is he's If he doesn't do it,

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Speaker 3: they're just going to attack mostly you know, women of

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Speaker 3: color and serving in the in the in the House

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Speaker 3: for Democrats and some men of color as well. Jamal

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Speaker 3: Bowman has you know, been a kind of fiery opponent

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Speaker 3: of APAC, which is which is recruited, is trying to recruit,

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Speaker 3: and it seems like they successfully have recruited a primary

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Speaker 3: opponent to him as well. Here he is unleashing on

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Speaker 3: on a PAC which is airing ads against him. He says,

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Speaker 3: when little kids in my district sit down to watch

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Speaker 3: a princess movie, APAC is forcing them to watch lies

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Speaker 3: about the worst violence people could possibly do to each other.

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Speaker 3: As a father, it makes me sick, one of the things.

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Speaker 3: And we could put some of it, put some we

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Speaker 3: we'll play some of these in a second. One of

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Speaker 3: the things that drove me the craziest about the debate yesterday,

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Speaker 3: it's not just I think, just on a free speech issue,

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Speaker 3: it's a free speech level. It's outrageous to center. A

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Speaker 3: member of Congress, Jamie Raskin made kind of made the

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Speaker 3: argument for Democrats on the House floor, and I thought

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Speaker 3: he made a good one. He said, if anybody is

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Speaker 3: going to censure or discipline a member of Congress for

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Speaker 3: their speech, it should be their voters. And he goes

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Speaker 3: on and he says, there are eleven members of the

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Speaker 3: Chamber who voted to say that Turkey did not commit

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Speaker 3: a genocide against Armenia. Should we censure them for that vote?

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Speaker 3: And he went on talked about Mike Johnson and his

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Speaker 3: views on marriage equality. Should he be censured? And Raskin

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Speaker 3: was making the point that Democrats are now going to

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Speaker 3: be under extreme pressure from their party's base to centerre

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Speaker 3: people return to me, all they've done is just just

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Speaker 3: like they've taken impeachment and made it kind of a

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Speaker 3: moot power by overusing it. I think, so you get centered.

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Speaker 3: Now it's gonna end up becoming a badge of honor

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Speaker 3: if because what it means is that you angered the

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Speaker 3: other parties. So just on a free speech level, it

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Speaker 3: was really offensive to me. But the other level was

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Speaker 3: the way that they weren't even centering her for what

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Speaker 3: she believed, Like they kept twisting her words and saying,

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Speaker 3: we're centering her because she supports AMAS and she supports

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Speaker 3: the eradication of Israel. If she did, then even if

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Speaker 3: she did that, I think on a free speech level,

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Speaker 3: you should not censure her like voter out of Congress

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Speaker 3: if you don't like that. But that's also not what

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Speaker 3: she says, Like she has condemned Tomas, she does not

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Speaker 3: support the eradication of Israel. And so you wound up

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Speaker 3: with a bunch of these Republican speeches of saying, well,

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Speaker 3: this is how we interpret what she's saying, regardless of

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Speaker 3: the fact that she says that that's not what she's saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then we're gonna condemn and censure that interpretation of it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's entirely reasonable for Jews to hear from

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Speaker 4: the River to the Sea and have incredible sensitivities about it,

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Speaker 4: because obviously it's appropriated and used by people who do

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Speaker 4: actually really want to, you know, in some cases completely

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Speaker 4: eradicate Jews and in other cases eradicate Israel in a

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Speaker 4: way that it's.

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Speaker 5: Like, well, where do Jewish people go? Are they safe?

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Speaker 4: So I completely understand heightened sensitivities around from the River

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Speaker 4: to the Sea.

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Speaker 5: She also actually a lot of people forget about this.

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Speaker 5: Back in twenty twenty, she had to like.

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Speaker 4: Undo a retweet of from the River to the Sea,

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Speaker 4: which if you are a Palestinian, a pro Palestinian activist

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Speaker 4: in the United States or basically anywhere, and you are

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Speaker 4: a big voice that's interacting with all these other accounts,

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Speaker 4: it's such a common phrase from the river to the sea,

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Speaker 4: and people can argue. Again, people with I think reason

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Speaker 4: heightened sensitivities about that can argue what that means. But

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Speaker 4: in the same way, and I agree with Jamie Raskin

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Speaker 4: on this, in the same way that we often talk

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Speaker 4: about I talk all the time about how the House

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Speaker 4: of Representatives we lose sight of the fact that it

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Speaker 4: is essentially supposed to be representative. It's supposed to be

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Speaker 4: where voters who have ideas across the spectrum because they

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Speaker 4: live in different geographic locations, are given a voice in Congress.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes that means it feels icky to people, and

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Speaker 4: that can go for Republicans and it can go for Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Rashida Taleb represents a heavily Muslim district in Michigan where

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Speaker 4: what she's doing on this issue is fully representative of

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Speaker 4: her constituents. So don't censure her. Make this a political question.

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Speaker 4: You can censure somebody if they're not representing their constituents

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Speaker 4: and they're being sort of wildly hateful and bigoted in

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Speaker 4: a way that's different than what they got elected on.

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Speaker 4: This is completely representative of her constituents. There's no question

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Speaker 4: about it. You're going to need to beat her at

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Speaker 4: the ballot box. I think essential is a waste of time,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's interesting exercise and virtue signaling, right, And.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple interesting points to make there. One is

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Speaker 3: that the Lecude platform that Yahu's party includes from the

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Speaker 3: River to the Sea in its platform, and it says

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Speaker 3: that Israeli sovereignty extends from the Israeli perspective from the yeah,

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Speaker 3: so what and then Hamas and its charter would say

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Speaker 3: that Israeli's Jewish people need to be pushed out, which

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Speaker 3: of the entire thing.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I think that's why there's heightened

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Speaker 4: sensitivity is among pro Palestinian people about when you hear

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Speaker 4: Israeli lawmakers, for example, or you hear Maxim Miller talking

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Speaker 4: about turning Gaza into a parking lot, it's an eradication

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Speaker 4: of the Protestinian state, and people say, where are we

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Speaker 4: supposed to go? So I feel like those heightened sensitivities

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Speaker 4: are completely understandable when you hear people talking about either

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Speaker 4: eradicating Gaza or eradicating Israel.

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Speaker 3: Right, and what Talib says she means and what so

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Speaker 3: many other people do mean by that is that everyone

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Speaker 3: living from the river to the sea should have dignity,

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Speaker 3: the franchise, and the same civil rights as anybody else

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Speaker 3: living in there. There are some supporters of Israel who

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Speaker 3: say that that would destroy Israel, and there are other

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Speaker 3: people say, well, then what is Israel If the people

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Speaker 3: who are under its control can't have basic civil rights?

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Speaker 3: How can you support that? So what she is standing

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Speaker 3: for is basically a one state solution in which everyone

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Speaker 3: in this area is a part of a democratic polity.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't necessarily mean that it can't have a Jewish

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Speaker 3: character in its constitution. It doesn't mean that Jewish people

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Speaker 3: from around the world can't still have Israel as a refuge,

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that Hebrew wouldn't be the national language. It

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Speaker 3: would mean that a Palestinian, just by virtue of being

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Speaker 3: a Palestinian, would not have lesser rights than an Israeli settler,

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00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: like living right now next to them, that the settlers

875
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: would not be able to just seize their seize their homes.

876
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: That if a Palestinian is committed, is accused of a crime,

877
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: that the Palestinian would go to a civil court and

878
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: have rights in court, rather than, as currently is the

879
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: case for most is put into a military court and

880
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: held an indefinite administrative detention with no rights whatsoever, or

881
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: just executed.

882
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: And it's it's sort of impossible to envision the path

883
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 4: from point A to point B to this hypothetical one

884
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: state solution. And again I get why that's they're heightened

885
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: sensitivities on that because it's like, well, what does that

886
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 4: look like, is are we talking about the what did

887
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 4: y'all think decolonized meant?

888
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 5: Tweet?

889
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 4: Because you know, there was just a civilian massacre and

890
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 4: you know, perpetrated by essentially the de facto government of Gaza,

891
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 4: and so I get it. I totally understand why people

892
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 4: are have heightened sensitivities around this, and I think as

893
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 4: a congresswoman, she is obviously sort of sensitive to those

894
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 4: sensitivities because she I think she took the video down

895
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 4: and she undid the retweet again. She to be clear,

896
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: she's not the one who said from.

897
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: The river to the sea.

898
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 4: She tweeted a video of people chanting from the river

899
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: to the sea, which I also think is a distinction.

900
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: But either way, the point is Republicans and pro Israel

901
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 4: Democrats want to have it both ways. They want to

902
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: say there's this shocking uptick and anti Semitic sentiment, which

903
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 4: you know, I think there's a good reason to believe that.

904
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 4: They want to say there's this shocking anti Israel sentiment

905
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 4: around the country, but also, we can't have this in

906
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 4: the House of Representatives. Well, if there's a shocking amount

907
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: of it in the country, it's going to be in

908
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: the House of Representatives, and you're going to have to

909
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: defeat it rhetorically. You're going to have to defeat it politically.

910
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: You're going to have to grapple with it. You can't

911
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 4: just censure it and pretend that it doesn't exist and

912
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 4: that it's outside the bounds of what normal Americans think.

913
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: Because are people chanting in defada in the streets. That's

914
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 4: something you have to deal with as a politician.

915
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: Right, and which is not what she's doing, right, And yeah,

916
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: this endless effort to kind of transform criticism of what

917
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: Israel doing into anti semitism rather than address head on

918
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 3: what Israel's doing. The idea that this is the debate

919
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: that the House was happening while people are starving. People

920
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: are dying not just under rubble, but you know, from

921
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: disease from not having access to food and water for

922
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: more than a month at this point. So but let's

923
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Speaker 3: play some of the debate from the House floor yesterday.

924
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 7: I can't believe I have to say this, but Palestinian

925
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 7: people are not disposable.

926
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Speaker 8: Right, We are human beings just like anyone else my city.

927
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 7: My grandmother, like all Palestinians, just.

928
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 8: Wants to live her life with freedom, and human dignity.

929
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Speaker 7: We all deserve speaking enough to save lives, mister Chair,

930
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 7: No matter faith, no matter ethnicity, should not be controversial

931
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 7: in this chamber. The cries of the Palestinian and Palestinian

932
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 7: and Israeli children sound no different to me. Why what

933
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 7: I don't understand is why the cries of Palestinians.

934
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Speaker 8: Sound different to you all.

935
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Speaker 7: Seventy one percent of Michigan Democrats support a ceasefire, So

936
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 7: you can try to censor me, but you can't silence

937
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 7: their voices. I urge my colleagues to join with the

938
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 7: majority of Americans and support a ceasefire now.

939
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 5: To save as many lives as possible.

940
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 7: President Biden must listen to and represent all of us,

941
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Speaker 7: not just some of us. I urge the President to

942
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 7: have the courage to call for a ceasefire in the

943
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 7: end of killings.

944
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Speaker 5: Thank you, mister speaker.

945
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Speaker 9: It is glaring hypocrisy when you have Republicans on the

946
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 9: other side of the isle trying to create definitions and

947
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Speaker 9: say Rashida wants to annihilate people. When Max Miller himself

948
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Speaker 9: went on TV and said, we're turning Gaza into a

949
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 9: parking lot and we want to annihilate Palestinians, nobody condemned

950
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 9: to him on that side of the isle. What is

951
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 9: true here is that every single one of them has

952
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 9: not acknowledged the fact that Palestinians are dying in the

953
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Speaker 9: tens of thousands. But we'll continue to say it is

954
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 9: us who are not acknowledging humanity.

955
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 5: Washita will stand this true.

956
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: General Lady's time has expired movement.

957
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 5: We'll continue for liberation until.

958
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Speaker 3: Everything General Lady's time has expired. Has the right gentleman

959
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Speaker 3: from Maryland is recognized.

960
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Speaker 4: And so we also have clips of trip Roy or

961
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Speaker 4: we have video of trip Roy from the floor yesterday.

962
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Speaker 5: We can run that right now too.

963
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 10: What we're talking about is whether a member of the

964
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Speaker 10: United States House of Representatives, whether a member of this

965
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 10: body representing this nation, is justified in putting forward a

966
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 10: defense of the actions of Hamas terrorists that murdered innocent

967
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 10: Israeli citizens, is holding United States citizens in Israeli's hostage

968
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 10: and in her own language, was defending On October eighth,

969
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 10: they mirre twenty four hours into the brutal and barbaric

970
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 10: attacks in which babies were beheaded, babies were placed into ovens,

971
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Speaker 10: literally moms were raped in a house whither babies were

972
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 10: put in an oven, a documented account, video evidence, and

973
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 10: this is dismissed as resistance to an apartheid state.

974
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Speaker 4: So I mean, I'm I think I'm with Chip Roy's

975
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: Freedom Caucus colleague Thomas mass in voting against the censure

976
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 4: thing that was. I think there was a handful of

977
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 4: Republicans that voted with some of the Democrats to a

978
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 4: handful of Democrats. I think twenty two Democrats that did

979
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 4: vote to censure received Rasheeda to lead a much smaller

980
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 4: number of Republicans who voted with Democrats not to do it.

981
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 4: And yeah, that obviously ended up passing last night. Ryan,

982
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 4: you actually have your book here on the desk, which

983
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 4: it's got the faces of some of the.

984
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 5: People you just heard from.

985
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yours hasn't showed up yet.

986
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful hard copy of beautiful cover. But as

987
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: somebody who's covered very closely the squad, it's a perfect

988
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: book title for a long time now. It's a nice book.

989
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 4: What did you make of their exchanges yesterday was really

990
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: personal on the house floor, just among Rashida, salihan Omar.

991
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 4: What did that tell us about some of those dynamics.

992
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for people who were just listening on the

993
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 3: podcast worrying while you hear kind of to leave choking

994
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: up Illhanomark kind of comes up and puts a hand

995
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: on her shoulder. You see Primila Jayapaul behind her wiping,

996
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: wiping tears away. This is you know, they've they've been

997
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 3: forged in this, in this fight with Apak, which dates

998
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: back to their rise. Like the books, bizarrely half the

999
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: book really focuses on this, this fight over Israel Palestine issues,

1000
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: when that is not at all the book that I

1001
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: set out to write. But going back kind of through

1002
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 3: their trajectory in Congress, it was the case that that

1003
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: made up about like half of their struggle and reshaped

1004
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: it through the way that APAC and DMFI entered into

1005
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: the kind of the democratic primaries in twenty twenty two,

1006
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: making sure that anybody who was remotely critical of Israel

1007
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: was either pushed out or reframed their position completely. And

1008
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: so Democratic Majority for Israel, which has been so influential,

1009
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 3: was founded in February twenty nineteen as a very direct

1010
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: and immediate and specific response to elan Omar and Rashida

1011
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 3: Telib being sworn into Congress, not anything they did, their presence,

1012
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: like the fact that they had made it into Congress

1013
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 3: was enough to push back on them. Then you had

1014
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: the first six months of twenty nineteen just devoted to

1015
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: the question of whether or not elan Omar should be

1016
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 3: censured for various criticisms that she made, yet that famous

1017
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 3: Benjamin's tweet that she did apology that she did apologize for,

1018
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: And so the amount of time was consumed by this

1019
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: issue was shocking. But to see it's kind of climax

1020
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: here with this attempt at ethnic cleansing of Gaza, I

1021
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: think shows that what they were going through was not

1022
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: just made up like this. This is a real This

1023
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 3: is a real thing kind of reshaping democratic politics. And

1024
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: when we talk about ethnic cleansing, I'm curious for your

1025
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 3: take on this. It's not just debating a term and

1026
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: whether or not this whether or not the word genocide

1027
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 3: should be used or not. It's like you have people

1028
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 3: who have studied genocide for decades, academics, you have people

1029
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: at the United Nations who have looked at this extremely closely,

1030
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: all of them saying that the question of intent is

1031
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: always the hardest to prove. But what Israeli officials have

1032
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: been saying publicly about their intent basically to clear out Gaza,

1033
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: creates the predicate for out for genuine, serious allegations of genocide,

1034
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 3: which the United States and Israel are both actively participating in.

1035
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 3: And it's just it's one of the more shocking things.

1036
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 6: You know.

1037
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: It's not that it's necessarily out of character for the

1038
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: United States support something like this, yet seeing it unfold

1039
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: has just been shocking. It feels like a piece of

1040
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: means died, like watching this, watching this unfold, and to

1041
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: hear the Biden administration say we would we think that

1042
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: they're going overboard here, this is too much, but there's

1043
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: just nothing we can do. Oh and also let's make

1044
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: sure that they have tens of billions of dollars with

1045
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: no strings attached. Is just insulting through the kind of

1046
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, ethical and moral fiber of everybody who's just

1047
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 3: watching this unfold and feeling a sense of complicity in it.

1048
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: They also want to quote blank check and no strings

1049
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 4: attached in Ukraine, that's sort of how we've run our

1050
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 4: foreign policy, you know, recently. And yeah, I completely disagree

1051
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 4: on the question of genocidal intent. That said Shadi Hamid

1052
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 4: had a really good at the Washing Post, had a

1053
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 4: really good tweet about the way that even we prosecuted

1054
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: a bad war and Rock with precision compared to so

1055
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 4: if you thought that war lacked precision. You know, obviously

1056
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 4: Gaza is a difficult situation for Israel to mount any

1057
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 4: type of response without bringing civilian casualties to staggering levels.

1058
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 4: But even so, the difference in precision in Iraq and

1059
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 4: in Gaza and the way those wars have been prosecuted

1060
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: is serious, and that's something I think, you know, lawmakers

1061
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 4: who are talking so much about aid to Israel need

1062
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 4: to seriously consider. And actually we're gonna talk about that

1063
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 4: in the next block. My final question for you, Ryan,

1064
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 4: just because you've covered this so closely, is they've been

1065
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 4: able to paper over these huge personal divisions between a

1066
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 4: Rashida to leave and a Hakim Jeffreys on the question

1067
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 4: of Israel, betweening ilham Omar and a Nancy Pelosi on

1068
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 4: the question of Israel. Is this a moment where you

1069
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 4: have Democrats crossing the aisle actually to censure Rashida to leave,

1070
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 4: where perhaps the squad finally goes full freedom Caucus and

1071
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 4: totally breaks with leadership or will they still be able

1072
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 4: to work together going forward?

1073
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 3: And I don't think so, because leadership did not break

1074
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: with them on that. And the leader of the kind

1075
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: of the democratic forces who sided with Republicans to censure

1076
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: to leave was Josh Gotttheimer, who had multiple chapters are

1077
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: dedicated to in this book, and he has been their

1078
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: most consistent antagonists throughout his time there, and he was

1079
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: kind of one of the first to jump out and

1080
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: say that he's going to support the center of Rashida

1081
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 3: Talib here. I do think that it is giving them.

1082
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: I think it's giving people around the country something to

1083
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: believe in again, you know, who had lost faith that

1084
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: there was anybody fighting for justice in Congress, And so

1085
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 3: I do think that I do think that could be

1086
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: one of the developments here. But also so what I

1087
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 3: think people need to understand, we love in the US

1088
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: here to abstract away from the reality of the depravity

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Speaker 3: of what we do around the world by talking about

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Speaker 3: words and phrases and politics and horse race instead, But

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Speaker 3: that doesn't change the reality on the ground. And I

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Speaker 3: think that the devastation and the death toll in Gaza

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Speaker 3: that we're going to finally have to accept as real

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Speaker 3: in the coming weeks and months will change the way

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Speaker 3: that people see this.

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Speaker 4: I think social media is completely undercutting the BLOB's ability

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Speaker 4: to talk in abstractions. And when you look at public

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Speaker 4: polling on Gaza and Palstins, especially especially among the youngest people,

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Speaker 4: which has been shocking to a lot of proosial folks,

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Speaker 4: a lot of the Republican Party, you have to understand

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Speaker 4: that these devastating images of suffering in Gaza are flooding

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Speaker 4: people's social media feeds and that is really hurting I

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Speaker 4: think people's ability to talk about these things and abstractions.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the same thing happened on October seventh,

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Speaker 4: as some of these masters were being a live stress.

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Speaker 4: The abstractions are getting much more difficult, I think for

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Speaker 4: the foreign policy elite.

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Speaker 5: To carry on with.

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Speaker 3: And I think what happened on October seventh with some

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Speaker 3: people who either defended what Hamas did or didn't didn't

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Speaker 3: denounce it, is that they had such tightly curated kind

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Speaker 3: of feeds that they didn't even know and because they

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Speaker 3: didn't have the kind of curiosity or the willingness to

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Speaker 3: kind of look outside their feed because they might not

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Speaker 3: want to hear the answer to what had actually happened,

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Speaker 3: and then they're locked into a position and pride and

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Speaker 3: ego kind I won't let them back down from that.

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Speaker 3: But again, we're talking about people who are at the

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Speaker 3: fringes of power, like way out, like just people who

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Speaker 3: can't even get a hearing inside DSAY for the most part,

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Speaker 3: rather than what we have on the other side, people

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Speaker 3: like Congress and Mass, who ilhan Omar talked about in

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Speaker 3: her speech yesterday, who has said I would caution my

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Speaker 3: colleagues to use the phrase innocent civilians because you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: use the phrase innocent Nazi civilians, And who has said

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Speaker 3: that Israel ought to turn Gaza into a parking lot.

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Speaker 5: That was Max Miller.

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Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, Max Miller. What did Mass say? Oh? Mass

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Speaker 3: said the first thing, that Miller said the other thing.

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Speaker 3: So this is two members of two separate members of Congress.

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Speaker 3: These are not anonymous people on a university chat board.

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Speaker 4: That's actually a transition, I think to the next block

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Speaker 4: about how these are translating into the funding questions, because

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Speaker 4: Ilhan Omar did invoke yesterday what Max Miller said on

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Speaker 4: the floor and said, how dare you censure Rashida Shalib

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Speaker 4: when nobody has sort of word about Max Miller claiming

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Speaker 4: we're going to turn Gaza into a parking lot, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: the I guess we can put We're about to play

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01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 4: some some clips of a bitter fight that broke out

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Speaker 4: on the Senate yesterday that did not get a lot

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01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 4: of attention, but is super instructive because Republicans are trying

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Speaker 4: to separate is AID to Israel from a to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: And the context for this is a wild statement from

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Speaker 3: out of Ukraine from President Voladim Zelenski. I don't even

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01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: want to set it up. Let's just play this clip

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Speaker 3: from President Lenski.

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Speaker 10: If you can give us, give us some financial support, okay, Okay,

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Speaker 10: Please give us a credit and we will give you

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Speaker 10: back money.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: The idea is like your uncle at Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: Like please, like the like the idea that Ukraine would

1153
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 3: wage a stalemated war, stalemated at best war on credit,

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Speaker 3: which they would then presumably pay back by selling off

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01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 3: what maining state assets they've held onto since the collapse

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Speaker 3: of the Soviet Union. Yeah, sounds like the worst possible

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01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: deal for regular Ukrainians that you could possibly conjure. Up absolutely,

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Speaker 3: And people say, well, what's the alternative that Russia conquers

1159
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Speaker 3: the entire thing. No, that's not the alternative. The alternative

1160
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Speaker 3: is a ceasefire and you enter into negotiations. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 3: which was what should have happened, you know, in the

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Speaker 3: very in the very beginning. Yeah, I was thinking for

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Speaker 3: better conditions.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking this week actually about something you said

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01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, or I think maybe you

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01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 4: said it a year ago, about you know, peace negotiations

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Speaker 4: that had been scuttled. And I think at the time

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Speaker 4: it was enough Tolly Bennett who had broken some information

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Speaker 4: about the West scuttling America, scuttling peace negotiations in Ukraine

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Speaker 4: that even Zelenski had been open to. And then looking

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Speaker 4: back and looking at you know, we have a hard

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Speaker 4: time knowing the death tolls. But even in that wonderful

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 4: Time magazine piece, and they say wonderful because it was

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 4: so insightful in a way that I don't think about

1175
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 4: what I wanted it to be.

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Speaker 5: Into the war, some.

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Speaker 4: Estimates of one hundred thous casualties at least on each

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 4: side of this, how many of those could have been

1179
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Speaker 4: avoided if the peace negotiations hadn't been scuttled, and how

1180
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Speaker 4: many if we're going to talk about this a year

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01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 4: from now and peace negotiations start in earnest, could have

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Speaker 4: been avoided or could be avoided in the next year

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 4: if we finally recognize that this is a stalemate. So

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Speaker 4: in the Senate, Republicans tried to divorce the Ukraine Aid

1185
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Speaker 4: from the Israel Aid. They're also trying to tie it

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Speaker 4: to a border bill that in my from my perspective,

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Speaker 4: we probably disagree on this. It deals a lot with asylum,

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01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 4: it deals with funding to a wall, but I think

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Speaker 4: probably the biggest thing in the bill is asylum. It

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Speaker 4: was part of a bill that was passed by the

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Speaker 4: House recently. That is something they're also trying to tie

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 4: to the Israel funding, to Ukraine funding. They're trying to

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Speaker 4: bring it all together. This came to a head yesterday

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Speaker 4: with Jeene Shaheen, Chris fin holland Democrats and the Senate

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Speaker 4: freaking out and Roger Marshall and JD Vance kind of

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Speaker 4: giving it back to them. So let's play this mashup

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Speaker 4: of Democrats in the Senate yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We the United States must support our friends and democracies

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Speaker 1: that are under attack from brutal adversaries. That means ensuring

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01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: that Israel has the right to defend itself in the

1201
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: aftermath of the brutal October seventh attack of Hamas. It

1202
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: also means ensuring that the people of Ukraine can defend

1203
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: themselves against Putin's rank aggression. This proposal on the floor

1204
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: today is tantamount to surrendering to Putin's aggression. This is

1205
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: waving the white flag. All of us were gathered in

1206
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: the old Senate Chamber, most of us recently when President

1207
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: Zelenski addressed the United States Senate. President Zelenski was very

1208
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: clear that the Ukrainians would continue to fight on no

1209
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: matter what, But he was equally clear that without the

1210
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: support of the United States and our allies, Putin has

1211
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: the upper hand.

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Speaker 6: The Ukrainian people are not only defending their land and freedom,

1213
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 6: they're fighting for the preservation of liberal democracies around the world.

1214
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 6: What some of my colleagues overlook in their singular campaign

1215
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 6: and support of Israel is just how closely the fate

1216
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 6: of Ukraine and Israel are tied together, and there's one

1217
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 6: country which links both of those countries together.

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Speaker 5: That country is a rant.

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Speaker 4: I'm sortain that is insane. Let's hear from Senator Vance,

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Speaker 4: who is responding.

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Speaker 11: To this leagus may forget that a matter of weeks ago,

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Speaker 11: a matter of months ago, there were people in this chamber,

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01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 11: there were people in the United States of America, demanding

1224
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 11: that the State of Israel give money and weapons to

1225
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 11: the Ukrainians, money and weapons that the Israelis are now

1226
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 11: using this very moment to defend themselves. The idea that

1227
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Speaker 11: these policies are not in tension with one another, The

1228
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 11: idea that what happens in in Russia and Ukraine is

1229
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 11: separate from what happens in Israel, is not just obvious,

1230
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 11: it is common sense, and it has been borne out

1231
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 11: by the reality of the last couple of weeks. Now,

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Speaker 11: my colleagues would like to collapse these packages too. Many

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01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 11: of my colleagues would like to collapse these packages because

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Speaker 11: they would like to use Israel as a political fig

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Speaker 11: leaf for the President's Ukraine policy. But the President's Ukraine policy,

1236
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 11: just like the Israeli policy, should be debated. We should

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 11: talk about it, we should discuss it, We should separate

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01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 11: the costs and benefits and analyze them as distinct policies.

1239
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 11: Because That is what the American people deserve of their legislature.

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Speaker 12: And they know full well what they came up with

1241
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 12: as a total non starter. Instead of putting together common

1242
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 12: sense border policies that can pass in divided government, Senate

1243
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 12: Republicans basically copy and pasted large chunks of the House's

1244
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 12: radical HR two bill. And that's their asking price for

1245
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 12: hell in Ukraine. Making Ukraine funding conditional on the hard

1246
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 12: right border policies that can't ever pass Congress is a

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01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 12: huge mistake by our Republican colleagues. By tying Ukraine to border,

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Speaker 12: Republicans are sadly making it harder, much harder for us

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Speaker 12: to help Ukraine in their fight against Putin. It sends

1250
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Speaker 12: a terrible signal to both our friends and adversaries. It

1251
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 12: will be a moment that history will remember.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you heard Truck Schumer following Jdvans there, and

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Speaker 4: typically they're talking about two different things.

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Speaker 5: JD.

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Speaker 4: Vance and Roger Marshall tried to vote unanimous consent yesterday

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Speaker 4: on a build a house passed last week that gives

1257
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Speaker 4: fourteen billion dollars to Israel and it's paid for by

1258
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 4: cuts to the IRS. Twelve Democrats voted for it on

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01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 4: the House side. That was obviously going to be very

1260
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Speaker 4: difficult for any Senate Democrats to do. But what you

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Speaker 4: heard wasn't so much opposition to the IRS funding cuts.

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Speaker 4: You heard from Jean Shaheen and you're hearing this also

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Speaker 4: from Truck Schumer talking about the border that is a

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01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 4: separate initiative, which says, okay, Biden, you want us to

1265
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 4: have money for both Israel and Ukraine tied together, then

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Speaker 4: you're also going to make these changes to the asylum process.

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Speaker 4: That argument that this is all interconnected, thus it must

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Speaker 4: be funded at the same level.

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Speaker 5: Ryan, what do you make of it?

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Speaker 3: And I think the reason they didn't criticize the IRS

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Speaker 3: funding portion of this is because then Republicans will say, okay, fine,

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Speaker 3: we'll get rid of the IRS funding and we'll just

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Speaker 3: give the money, yes, you know, to Israel, or we

1274
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Speaker 3: will find some other way to pay for Israel. Funny,

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Speaker 3: because it's to your point, that's not their main objection.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a non starter. The IRS stuff is

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Speaker 3: a non starter, But their main objection is that it's

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Speaker 3: not collapsed together, that they want to move Ukraine money

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Speaker 3: and Israel money at the same time.

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Speaker 4: They know Israel's popular, they know Ukraine is lose waning

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Speaker 4: in popularity, so if they can tie it to Israel,

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Speaker 4: they know it has a better chance of passing.

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Speaker 3: But what's interesting is that they could probably pass both.

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01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 3: Probably like there is there is growing opposition to Ukraine

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Speaker 3: funding in the Republican Party, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 3: evidence that there's a lot of opposition to it among Democrats,

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Speaker 3: even on the left, And so there are enough Republicans

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Speaker 3: that could probably move it through. Now they're insisting on

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Speaker 3: But I'd be curious for your take on that. You

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Speaker 3: know the Republican Party better than me, But now they're

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Speaker 3: insisting on tying it to these border policies. And I

1292
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 3: think Democrats would actually love to be dragged, kicking and

1293
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,839
Speaker 3: screaming towards some tough immigration policy, but not that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Like there's some there are things that they would like

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Speaker 3: to have done so that the political issue is taken

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Speaker 3: off the table a little bit. Yeah, without their fingerprints

1297
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Speaker 3: being on it. Yeah, but that's not it.

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Speaker 5: It's like Republicans on abortion.

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Speaker 3: And do Republicans want like I think some Republicans like

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Speaker 3: the issue. I think they don't want to solve it.

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Speaker 4: The White House, interestingly enough, has signaled some willingness to

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Speaker 4: work on potential border policies. So that's kind of an

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Speaker 4: interesting negotiating chip, especially because the House is so I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's such a tight majority lead in the House of Representatives,

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01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 4: and the White House knows that they know they desperately

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01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 4: want to get funding for both Israel and Ukraine. I

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 4: think the real bargaining chip within the immigration bill that

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01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 4: HR two that was basically as trick Schomers had copy

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Speaker 4: and pasted, is going to be DAKA is going to

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Speaker 4: be asylum for people who are brought here as children.

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Speaker 4: That's going to be I think where Republicans and Democrats

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 4: might be able to find common ground if the White

1313
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 4: House actually decides to play ball on this question, which

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01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 4: might be its best option going forward because of the

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01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 4: way the House of Representatives is and to your point,

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01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 4: a lot of people on the right see Ukraine funding

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Speaker 4: as Mike Johnson's big litmus test. How is he going

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Speaker 4: to be a speaker? That will be determined by how

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 4: he handles this question of resisting blob pressures to continue

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Speaker 4: keep the spigot running with Ukraine. Even Kevin McCarthy was

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 4: sort of further right on that than most of the

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Speaker 4: Republican party establishments. So I mean, could they probably pass something, Yes,

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Speaker 4: because even Mike Johnson and even Senate or even House Republicans,

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Speaker 4: freedomc coccus people understand that there there can be room

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Speaker 4: for some Ukraine funding. It's just this keeping the pigot

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Speaker 4: on to the degree that it is on with these

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01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 4: funding levels that they're resisting. So if they come to

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Speaker 4: the table, they can get something done. It might be

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 4: having to come to the table on border stuff though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, both parties love war, so don't bet against military

1331
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 3: funding making it throw never less you want, unless you

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01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 3: want to lose money.

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Speaker 4: Ran speaking of that sort of two party consensus and

1334
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 4: the two party norm being broken, this is stunning, and

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Speaker 4: Sager is the first person I actually saw a pick

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01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 4: up on this.

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Speaker 3: Everybody actually read the poll that the New York Times did.

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 4: He decided to dig into the cross tabs, and everybody

1339
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 4: would talking about the Times Siena poll. It was rattling

1340
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 4: through the Beltway just everyone was focused on the numbers

1341
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 4: of Biden hemorrhaging support from black voters, for example, and

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01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 4: him being down in all of these swing states. Sager

1343
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 4: looks at this and we can put the first element

1344
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 4: up on the screen and realizes it says something fascinating

1345
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 4: about Robert F. Kennedy Junior's bid for the presidency. This

1346
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 4: New York Times poll found him running it really tight.

1347
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Speaker 5: Margins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the top line has him, I don't have it

1349
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Speaker 3: in front of it. Was thirty five for Trump, thirty

1350
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 3: three for Biden was a twenty four.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So to repeat in case you think that you misheard me, Yeah,

1353
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 3: this is in six battleground states. Yeah, Trump at thirty

1354
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 3: five percent, Biden at thirty three percent, which is closer

1355
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: to Trump than Biden was without Kennedy in. And with

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01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 3: Kennedy in, he was pulling twenty four percent of the vote.

1357
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Speaker 3: That is higher than Ross Parro ever polled.

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01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Soccer pointed it out. He never broke the twenty

1359
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 4: percent threshold in polling.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I remember him breaking it before he

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01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 3: Paro did this bizarre thing where he was doing extremely

1362
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 3: well and then he dropped out because he said that

1363
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: like Democrats had threatened his daughter's a wedding or something

1364
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: like that sounds right, And then months later he jumped

1365
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 3: back in and people were like, Okay, we knew you

1366
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 3: were a little bit weird, but now we're like really confused.

1367
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Speaker 5: He ends up with about nineteen percent, ended up.

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Speaker 3: At nineteen percent, and a lot of people think that

1369
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:31,799
Speaker 3: that helped elect Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, it's hard to Yeah, those numbers are pretty

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Speaker 4: that's a pretty good.

1372
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Speaker 3: Case because it's hard to know exactly who they would

1373
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 3: have gone for. But yeah, I think that's right. Clinton

1374
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 3: ended up with like forty three percent of the vote

1375
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 3: and won the White House. And so you already have

1376
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 3: Rfk Junior polling higher than Ross Perrot kind of ever did.

1377
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 3: And he's within nine points of Biden and eleven points

1378
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: of Trump. And if he can get some like an

1379
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, David Sacks, these other tech billionaires that love

1380
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 3: him to fund him getting on the ballot across the

1381
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 3: country costs a lot, but you know, it's dropping the

1382
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: bucket for these guys. Then he's on the ballot, and

1383
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: if the polling shows that he's not a spoiler but

1384
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 3: could actually win, it becomes a wild contest completely because

1385
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 3: when seventy percent of the country roughly is telling you

1386
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 3: that they do not want a Biden Trump rematch, and

1387
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 3: you tell them, too bad, You're getting a Biden Trump rematch,

1388
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 3: and then you get a guy named RFK Junior on

1389
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 3: the ballot, and then you're told he's actually viable.

1390
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 4: Huge name recognition right off the bat, automatically.

1391
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 3: One hundred percent name recognition basically. And then you have

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01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: the combination of the people who voted for Trump in

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01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen as a middle finger to the system because

1394
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 3: they don't like it. They just want to flip it over. Right,

1395
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 3: do those people go back to Trump or do those

1396
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 3: people flip it over again by going up RFK Junior?

1397
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 3: Now it's wild.

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Speaker 5: Well, and another thing, this is D two.

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Speaker 4: We can put this up on the screen that was

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01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 4: pointed out when you look further at these cross tabs

1401
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 4: RFK Junior and this isn't actually really that surprising, but

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01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 4: he beats both Trump and Biden among voters under forty five.

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01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 5: In these six swing states.

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01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,839
Speaker 4: So if you're looking at again Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada,

1405
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 4: and Wisconsin, he is in the lead with voters eighteen

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 4: through twenty nine, so people aged eighteen to twenty nine,

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01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 4: he has thirty four percent level of support, and then

1408
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 4: a thirty one percent level of support with thirty to

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01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 4: forty four year olds, so from the ages of eighteen

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01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 4: to forty four, those are great numbers. Trump with those

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01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 4: eighteen to twenty nine year olds is at twenty nine percent,

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01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 4: so he's losing to RFK Junior by five points. Biden

1413
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 4: is at thirty percent, so he's losing the RFK Junior

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01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 4: by four points. With those eighteen to twenty nine year

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01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 4: old I mean again, even in the thirty to forty

1416
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 4: four percent range or thirty to forty four year old range,

1417
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 4: Trump and Biden are each at thirty percent. RFK Junior

1418
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 4: is at thirty one percent, so he's winning with voters

1419
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 4: in swing states up to the age of forty four

1420
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 4: years old.

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 3: And the assumption among the consultant class is always that

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01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 3: as you get closer to the election, the third party

1423
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: candidate dwindles in support as people realize that they don't

1424
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 3: have any chance. So that'll be the key question, like

1425
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 3: when people go to vote, do they think he actually

1426
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 3: has a chance. And if they think he has zero chance,

1427
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 3: then a lot of the people who are telling pollsters

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01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 3: that they're going to support RFK Junior as they kind

1429
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 3: of protest to those pollsters, end up saying, well, okay,

1430
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 3: if it's between Biden or Trump, here's the person that

1431
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 3: I prefer out of those two. But if they go

1432
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 3: into the poles thinking that it's actually live three way rays,

1433
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 3: you know, who knows what they end up doing. And

1434
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 3: it is fascinating that he does appear to be pulling

1435
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: more votes from Trump than from Biden, Like he seems

1436
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 3: to be a net benefit to Biden unless he beats Biden.

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01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing I was Yeah, the thing I

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01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 4: was just going to say is, actually, I think that's

1439
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 4: probably one of the most interesting things about the RFK

1440
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 4: junior candidacy is that as soon as he announced he

1441
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 4: was running independent, the Republican Party started sending out like

1442
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 4: that day it was Columbus Day. In my inbox, I'm

1443
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 4: seeing from the rnc OPO on OURFKA Junior. And obviously

1444
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 4: he'd been sort of going through the conservative talk show

1445
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 4: circuit or podcast circuit, the podcast circuit kind of in general,

1446
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 4: not just conservative shows. I don't think we've seen this

1447
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 4: candidacy get going yet. To your point about David Sachs

1448
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 4: and other very wealthy people who we know are actually

1449
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 4: already interested, very interested in the RFK junior candidacy, either

1450
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 4: because they support him on all of the issues, or

1451
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 4: because they so despise the Trump Biden matchup that they

1452
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 4: just want to throw it all into a state of chaos.

1453
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 4: And so that's where really curious about going forward. As

1454
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 4: Republicans start to point out that RFK Junior has a

1455
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 4: fairly statist record across the board on environmental issues, he

1456
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 4: was pretty supportive of Hillary Clinton, does that sort of

1457
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 4: start resonating with Normy Dems Because a lot of Normy

1458
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 4: Dems are so sick.

1459
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 5: Of Biden to the point where they could be.

1460
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 4: Persuaded if they find out that RFK Junior was close

1461
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 4: with Hillary Clinton and you know, maybe isn't quite as

1462
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 4: crazy as they were told. He was used to run

1463
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 4: in fairly establishment democratic circles. So as Republicans start to

1464
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 4: hit him as an establishment Democrat, does that make Normy

1465
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 4: Dems take another look at him and do these numbers

1466
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 4: start changing?

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 9: That?

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01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 4: I think is a really interesting question, especially if more

1469
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 4: money is attached to it, and especially.

1470
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 5: If we've talked about this before.

1471
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 4: The Woody Harrelson's of Hollywood start to get behind the

1472
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 4: campaign too, and it just becomes a more high profile

1473
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 4: bid that the media is forced to cover and.

1474
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 3: If we can put it this third element, which is

1475
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 3: a new study finding that media confidence in the US

1476
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: has matched its twenty sixteen record low. What that means

1477
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 3: is that there really isn't a Walter Cronkite type, you know,

1478
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 3: who's able to come in and referee this, yes, exactly

1479
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 3: and say, you know what, the gates are closed. These

1480
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 3: two dudes are in, and nobody else can come in.

1481
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 3: The other point is that the rules around presidential debates

1482
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 3: are that previously had been that if you're at fifteen

1483
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 3: percent or above, you're supposed to be on the debate stage.

1484
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 3: So does RFK Junior get to be on the debate stage?

1485
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 4: A fantastic question, and he's starting to. I mean, he's

1486
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 4: in that direction right now. The Gallop poll, I think

1487
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 4: actually explains across the board.

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01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 5: This is my theory.

1489
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 4: I don't think it's you know, we don't have like

1490
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 4: clear statistics on this, but I think it explains why

1491
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 4: Biden is sort of flailing across the board and why

1492
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 4: even Trump is struggling against RFK Junior among the younger voters.

1493
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 4: Because the gatekeepers lack the power. The monopoly on truth

1494
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 4: is being eroded every single election cycle, and I think

1495
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 4: we take that for granted.

1496
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 5: Even here on our.

1497
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 4: Show, like counterpoints and breaking points, sometimes we site of

1498
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 4: how different it is that we get to do what

1499
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 4: we do as opposed to ten years ago, where.

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01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 5: To do what we did would be you know.

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01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 4: You would have to do it at a publication, you know,

1502
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 4: sort of a different you know, news outlet or something

1503
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 4: like that, and it was read in left circles or

1504
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 4: right circles. But to be able to have audiences that

1505
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 4: we have at this level, because this has been democracized,

1506
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 4: democratized by to some extent social media, to some extent

1507
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 4: by the Internet and things like YouTube. It's incredible, by

1508
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 4: the podcast sphere exploding. I just think people it's happened

1509
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 4: so quickly that people don't realize how much that's affecting

1510
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 4: the way. For example, black voters. Look at Joe Biden

1511
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 4: when he's dropping significantly with black voters from twenty twenty

1512
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 4: post COVID to twenty twenty four. Potentially, I do think

1513
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,839
Speaker 4: a lot of that is because trust and media is plummeting,

1514
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 4: and the new options are coming in to replace the

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01:21:58,320 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 4: bad old options.

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01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 3: On this substance of RFK Junior He's recently been a

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01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 3: strident supporter of Israel's war on Gaza, and has even

1518
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 3: gone so far as to applaud a bunch of universities

1519
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 3: that have say like a delisted organizations that they say

1520
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 3: or that they say are supportive of Hamas or one

1521
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 3: of them. I think at Brandeis was planning a candlelight

1522
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 3: vigil in memory of Palestinians who had been killed and

1523
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 3: had their charter revoked, and RFK Junior has been applauding

1524
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 3: that type of thing, which on the one hand, cuts

1525
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 3: against all of the kind of anti censorship, anti cancel

1526
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,919
Speaker 3: culture wave that he'd been riding with a lot of

1527
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 3: the podcasts that had elevated him. On the other hand,

1528
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: there has always been a Palestinian exception to cancel culture

1529
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 3: embedded in it from the very beginning. The best example

1530
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 3: being like Wise like her college career was dedicated towards

1531
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 3: literally canceling Palestinian professors, and she has never kind of

1532
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 3: said that I was wrong to do that and has

1533
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 3: continued to kind of run cancel campaigns against people that

1534
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: she considers to have, you know, have have aired on

1535
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 3: the Israeli Palestinian question while also being the kind of

1536
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 3: one of the lead cheerleaders of the kind of anti

1537
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: cancel culture campaign. So I think it probably won't hurt

1538
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 3: him because of that exception that has always been embedded

1539
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 3: in the kind of Wolke wars. But I'm curious if

1540
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 3: you think that that matters at all.

1541
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 5: It matters a lot to young voters.

1542
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, of course Barry Weiss and RFK

1543
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 4: Junior would say, even the most ardent anti canceled culture

1544
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 4: people have to you know, they agree that they're aligned

1545
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 4: somewhere that you know, somebody drops the drops the N word,

1546
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 4: it's probably fine to cancel them from a job or somebody.

1547
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 4: You know that an advertiser could say, maybe you're not

1548
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 4: the face of Loreel anymore or whatever it is. But

1549
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 4: I do think young voters are so Polling has shown

1550
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 4: there's so much on one side of the Israel Palestine divide,

1551
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 4: and if they're super interested in RFK Junior and start

1552
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 4: seeing this, I mean he has leaned into it, but

1553
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 4: isn't more powerful than his other messages with young voters.

1554
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 4: How exasperated and exhausted are they with the Trump Biden choice.

1555
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 4: That's all going in factor into this. I think that

1556
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 4: is an interesting question, especially given how big his support

1557
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 4: is with young voters and how big their support is

1558
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 4: for Palestine, and.

1559
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 3: A huge portion of that twenty four percent, I'm guessing

1560
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 3: are people just saying just a middle finger. It's not

1561
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 3: actually necessarily support for RFK Junior. It's rejection of the

1562
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 3: two choices being offered. And some of it is genuine

1563
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 3: support for RFK Junior because they've heard him on shows,

1564
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 3: but I think a lot of it is not because

1565
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: we're still a year away.

1566
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 4: That's much easier to do when you have a name

1567
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 4: that people recognize and they're comfortable.

1568
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Kennedy for example, corn Now West is like

1569
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 3: also running and getting nowhere near that kind of right.

1570
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 4: But when you put together, actually, that's another interesting that

1571
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 4: people aren't paying attention to. If you put together Maryan Williamson,

1572
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 4: Cornell West and Robert F. Kennedy Junior, the potential for

1573
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 4: an anti Biden candidate to sweep in is so high,

1574
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 4: and media doesn't even want to talk about it. They

1575
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 4: don't want to talk about where Marianne is pulling in

1576
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 4: New Hampshire. They don't want to talk about that at all.

1577
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 4: They're just completely erasing it. They're suddenly very interested in

1578
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 4: Dean Phillips, who we have no indication, despite having a

1579
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 4: ton of money, has any popular support. So the fact that,

1580
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 4: as Soccer pointed out, media didn't pick up on this,

1581
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 4: that the New York Times had these cross tabs and

1582
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 4: is looking into I mean, so anytime you do a pole.

1583
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 4: I don't know if Intercept ever does polling, but anytime

1584
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 4: as a news outlet you commission a pole, you are

1585
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 4: scraping that data and looking so closely for what is newsworthy,

1586
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 4: what's the hook, what's in it? And the fact that

1587
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 4: the New York Times had that in front of them,

1588
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 4: and then every other news outlet had the cross tabs

1589
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 4: to cover that pole, and nobody picked up on this

1590
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 4: or covered it until it started going.

1591
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 5: Viral on Twitter. It's just like, what a joke.

1592
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 4: I love that this is our last segment because it's

1593
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 4: such an afterthought, and for good reason. There's a Republican

1594
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 4: debate tonight. The candidates are down in Miami. Five of

1595
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 4: them ended up qualifying for it. By the way, in

1596
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 4: order to qualify, you had to register four percent in

1597
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 4: either two national polls polls or one national poll and

1598
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 4: two polls from separate early voting states. Candidates also had

1599
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 4: to have reached according to CNN, at least seventy thousand

1600
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 4: unique donors with at least two hundred donors in twenty

1601
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 4: states or territories. So that means tonight we have the

1602
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 4: distinct pleasure of hearing from Chris Christy, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Hayley,

1603
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 4: Vivek Ramaswami, and Tim Scott.

1604
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 5: Five of them.

1605
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 4: That means no more Mike Pence who dropped out, Doug

1606
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 4: Burgham did not qualify. Asa Hutchinson didn't even make the

1607
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 4: second debate, so he doesn't even make the second debate.

1608
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 4: But we're now on the third debate. The fourth debate

1609
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 4: has already been announced. That's going to be December sixth

1610
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 4: in tusc so less than a month away. It has

1611
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 4: higher polling and donor thresholds, so this could be the

1612
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 4: last debate for maybe for Chris Christy and Tim Scott.

1613
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 4: I don't know about Vivek. I think Nikki Haley, because

1614
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 4: she's searched in New Hampshire, is probably safe. DeSantis is

1615
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 4: safe for now as well.

1616
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 3: I don't have a whole lot to say about this,

1617
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 3: you know what, I have a lot.

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01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 4: To say about one thing, which is that the Republican

1619
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 4: Party is so so stupid, and that is not news

1620
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 4: to anyone.

1621
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 3: I think they just cancel it.

1622
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 4: They should not be having a debate with NBC News

1623
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 4: that is going to be moderated by Kristin Welker, who

1624
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 4: I think is one of the more fair members of

1625
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 4: the so called mainstream media. But less your Hoole is

1626
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 4: on the record saying quote fairness is overrated. They added

1627
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 4: Hugh hewittt into the debate to sort of legitimize it,

1628
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 4: to be a token conservative question asker. But there's just

1629
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 4: no reason for the RNC to be cooperating anymore with

1630
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 4: NBC News. The Blaze hosted a candidate forum in Iowa

1631
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 4: in the spring that was actually like way more helpful

1632
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 4: for Republican voters that trying to figure out sus out

1633
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 4: what the contrast is between you know, a Trump a

1634
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 4: DeSantis Haley than any debate moderated by corporate journalists has

1635
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 4: been in years. All you're going to do is have

1636
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 4: All you're going to have is corporate moderators racing to

1637
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 4: out condemn Republicans and to out gotcha Republicans. And I

1638
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 4: think these candidates should take the toughest questions. They should

1639
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 4: subject themselves to the toughest scrutiny, but not under the

1640
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 4: false pretense of neutrality that Lester Holt and Kristen Welker claim.

1641
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 4: I have no problem with them being on the left.

1642
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 4: I have no problem with them being center left. You know,

1643
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 4: they're certainly not leftists, but being sort of center left

1644
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 4: neoliberal corporate journalists.

1645
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 5: Have no problem with that.

1646
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 4: They should be honest with it and stop lying to

1647
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 4: voters and saying that they're fair and neutral, and the

1648
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 4: Republican Party should stop letting them do that. There's no

1649
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 4: reason to let them do that anymore. If they ever

1650
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 4: want to have a good debate, they can come here

1651
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 4: to breaking points counterpoints, they can go to do the

1652
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 4: candidate forum at the Blaze. They can figure out another

1653
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 4: way to do it. But nobody wants to see this anymore. So,

1654
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 4: in the absence of Ryan having not so much to say,

1655
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 4: I just had to go on my rant because it.

1656
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 5: Makes me so mad.

1657
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 3: It is fun to see it. I think it's useful

1658
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 3: to watch his debates just to see, like what the

1659
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 3: kind of dregs of the Republican are seeing as potential

1660
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 3: paths for Chris Christ Chris Nicky Haley trying to like

1661
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: hold on to some of that George W. Bush energy

1662
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 3: really fight she she seems like personally offended at the isolationism, yes,

1663
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 3: and the and the kind of selective anti war posture

1664
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: that has become resident within the Republican Party, and so

1665
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 3: watching her fight that and then.

1666
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 5: But who on that stage is she gonna fight with?

1667
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 4: I mean maybe maybe the Veak, Yeah, but I mean

1668
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:03,520
Speaker 4: at this point, why.

1669
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 3: Well, she doesn't seem to like him for one. Yeah, absolutely,

1670
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 3: So that makes it more enjoyable to watch too, because

1671
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 3: they really do seem to like not like each other.

1672
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 3: I'm very glad that both Tim Scott and Nicky Haley

1673
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 3: are on there because I want to hear more about

1674
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 3: those curtains that Tim Scott was so mad at Nikki

1675
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 3: Haley for allegedly purchasing for her United Nations residents or whatever. Yeah,

1676
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 3: the fact that he brought that up in that debate

1677
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 3: suggests that there is a level of animosity that you

1678
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,879
Speaker 3: can only appreciate among politicians who've known each other for decades.

1679
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 5: South Carolina Republicans.

1680
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 3: Just rivals, you know, and forced to be in the

1681
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 3: same rooms and on the same team for decades while

1682
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 3: not so secretly hating each other and undermining each other

1683
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 3: and knifing each other.

1684
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 4: Or is it easy for them to fight It easier

1685
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 4: for them to fight about drapes because they know they're

1686
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 4: going to have to get along down the line, so

1687
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 4: they will do this theatrical debate about drapes. I think

1688
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 4: you're right in this case that there's actually like this

1689
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 4: simmering animosity that bring it.

1690
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 5: She said something is so ridiculous, But that's that's the thing.

1691
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 4: When you mentioned the point about Nimmi Hailey's neo conservatism,

1692
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 4: Donald Trump isn't on the stage. I mean we should

1693
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 4: have started this segment by saying this is a.

1694
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 3: Stage is avatar of right?

1695
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and that the fact that they'll all be

1696
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 4: they'll all just be arguing against Trump instead of each

1697
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 4: other because the leading candidate by a wide margin, is

1698
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 4: not even on the stage. And so again NBC News

1699
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 4: is moderating this debate, hosting this debate, putting all the

1700
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 4: money into this debate for money and credibility, and Republicans

1701
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 4: are just giving them both of it. Despite talking constantly

1702
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 4: about how NBC News should be less powerful and is

1703
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 4: lacking incredibility without even having the leading candidate on the stage,

1704
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 4: Like there's just no reason to be doing this at

1705
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 4: this point, if you're just going to let NBC News

1706
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 4: trash a bunch of Republicans in front of the country

1707
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 4: in a way that's not productive for Republican voters. Who

1708
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 4: this is for Republican debates are for Republican voters to

1709
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 4: decide which candidate they want to go for. And I

1710
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 4: don't think, you know, no offense Lester Holt is the

1711
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 4: most qualified to help them make that decision at this point.

1712
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 3: And I wonder if this were a democratic debate, if

1713
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 3: NBC would be you know, how their approach on the

1714
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 3: question of Israel Palestine would differ between how they focus

1715
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 3: on Democrats how they focus on Republicans, Like will will

1716
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 3: you see the moderators try to pressure Republicans to condemn

1717
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 3: collective punishment of Palestinians, Like there's no question collective punishment

1718
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 3: is going on. They have shut the water off, they

1719
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 3: have stopped food and other supplies from getting in, Like

1720
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 3: that's happening.

1721
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 5: By their own admission, by their own.

1722
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 3: Emission, And they say that they have given reasons why

1723
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 3: they're doing it. It does not make it comport with

1724
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 3: international law. It is by definition collective punishment. Do you

1725
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 3: think that the moderators will push Republicans to condemn that

1726
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,560
Speaker 3: because they would do it in any other circumstance.

1727
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 5: I think it's a great question.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's also the problem with having Bernie

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Speaker 4: Sanders be moderated by.

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Speaker 5: A Kristen Walker or Lester Hold.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's any different between those two populist areas.

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Speaker 4: I don't even think you must be a populist Republican

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Speaker 4: to complain about the media, of course, but I'm actually

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Speaker 4: really curious, now that you bring that up, how they

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Speaker 4: handled this issue, because there isn't a lot of contrast

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Speaker 4: between Republicans on it, except for maybe the veak might

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01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:45,799
Speaker 4: have a sort of outside the BI. I haven't followed

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Speaker 4: closely how he's handled that question of civilians in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: But actually that's a really good point as to whether

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01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 4: he tries to use that as a foreign policy wedge

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01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 4: with Nikki Haley, because we've actually seen him go way

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Speaker 4: beyond the tip of Republican comfort zone, because he knows

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01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 4: that there are a lot of voters that are ready

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01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 4: to hear that in previous debates in order to have

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Speaker 4: a big moment with Nikki Haley.

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Speaker 5: So let's see if he does that this time.

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Speaker 3: And you're not allowed to express sympathy for Palestinian civilians

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Speaker 3: for their own kind of unique dignity and individuality and

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Speaker 3: the fact that they're a person with a soul on

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Speaker 3: this planet. What you can do, though, and what you'll

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01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 3: see a lot of politicians do, is say it's bad

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01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 3: because a it's going to create future terrorists that will

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Speaker 3: produce blowback against us, and be it tarnishes our good name,

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Speaker 3: our kind of ethical standing in the world, because we

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01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 3: if the gap between the values that we preach and

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Speaker 3: the values we practice gets too large, then Russia is

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Speaker 3: gonna and China are gonna, you know, rush right through

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01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 3: that and do barbaric things. You can't condemn our own barbarity,

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Speaker 3: and you can't stand up for the dignity of people

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Speaker 3: just in their own right, but you can maybe kind

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01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:57,799
Speaker 3: of do a bank shot.

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Speaker 4: The Democratic senators we played early in the show immediately

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Speaker 4: pivoted to the extrava, the abstractions of sort of Iran

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Speaker 4: being the puppet master that's also tied in with Putin

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01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 4: and by the way. I think there are serious concerning

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01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 4: ties between all of those countries, but it's easy for

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Speaker 4: them to use that to just you know, demand more

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01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 4: money under this sort of national security blackmail, which by

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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 5: They're also doing with Section seven o two.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll cover that next week, but there the Biden

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Speaker 4: administration is freaking out about the bipartisan reform efforts that

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Speaker 4: Ron Wyden and Mike Lee are behind on Section seven

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Speaker 4: oh two. They do this all the time with national

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Speaker 4: security issues. They try to scare monger people into giving

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Speaker 4: more money to Ukraine, to Israel, to UH seven oh

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Speaker 4: two and giving up their privacy rights. It's just absurd.

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Speaker 4: It's absurdity theater. Yeah, but the media falls for it.

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Speaker 3: To your point, but I can't can't wait to watch it.

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Speaker 3: We're not doing a debate special.

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Speaker 5: Tonight and really no need again leading candidates very.

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Speaker 3: Sorry about that. We just couldn't get it.

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Speaker 4: Together for You can follow Ryan on to what though

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01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 4: for his stream of consciousness absorbs this incredible, this incredible

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Speaker 4: conversation between Republicans.

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Speaker 3: That time is eight o'clock.

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Speaker 5: It's an eight pm one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right in the middle of bedtime. So I

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01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 3: might have to DVR and then live tweet the DVR version.

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Speaker 4: Also, by the way, it's co hosted by Salem News

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01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 4: and the Republican Jewish Coalition. So your question about how

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01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 4: NBC at a debate co hosted by the Republican Jewish

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01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 4: Coalition do they give a question to the RJC? Do

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01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 4: they ask a question on behalf of the RJC? And

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01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 4: then how do they kind of balance that if they

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01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 4: purport to be neutral, which obviously we know is a lie,

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Speaker 4: but if they do, how do they balance that with

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Speaker 4: questions about civilians in Gaza? A great thing to watch

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Speaker 4: for tonight.

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Speaker 3: We'll watch for tonight because somebody's got to somebody.

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Speaker 4: Has to do it, so I guess we will. That

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01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 4: does it for us today. I kind of like Ryan today.

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01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 4: We had fewer blocks and we got to spend longer

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Speaker 4: time on them. Maybe too much time in the amb.

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Speaker 5: Block, but I liked it.

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Speaker 4: I could have kept going for sure. Well, yeah, that

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