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Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Ink here

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Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing and we are thrilled to sit down

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Speaker 1: with ESPN's Mel kiper Junior, the godfather of the mock

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Speaker 1: draft and draft analysis. And nobody knows the Ravens better

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Speaker 1: than Mel, especially what they're doing in the draft. So

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Mel, especially it's in a

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Speaker 1: marathon for you today. How how many hours straight today

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Speaker 1: have you been talking about the draft?

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Speaker 2: Since eight o'clock this morning? I think I started and

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Speaker 2: then we you know, it's been like one thing after

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Speaker 2: that because we taked a lot of shows today, you

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Speaker 2: Fiel Yays, Jordan Reed and Matt Miller and myself with

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Speaker 2: Kevin the Gandhi and then I went right into a

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Speaker 2: different podcast at a media call with you, Ryan, you're

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Speaker 2: part of it.

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Speaker 1: I got a question, So I appreciate the bonus time here. Mel.

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Speaker 2: No, you call me anytime. Youn't have to worry about

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Speaker 2: the media. Call call me anything. I mean, call for

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Speaker 2: an hour. But I try to do that because that's

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Speaker 2: obviously because there's just not enough time to talk to

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Speaker 2: everybody you would want to a lot of those guys,

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Speaker 2: as you know, Ryan are all good friends and I

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Speaker 2: have known them for years, so that gives us. Lily

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Speaker 2: Balloon gives us that opportunity to do that. So through Lily,

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Speaker 2: it's a well, we're able to make that work. So

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun. But now tomorrow morning's start

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Speaker 2: up again. We got our big draft meeting tomorrow. They're

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Speaker 2: all on seven thirty tomorrow morning. We go to around

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Speaker 2: one in the afternoon and that's our big pre draft.

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Speaker 2: We used to do that today before the draft. Now

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Speaker 2: we do it, you know, a couple of weeks before

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Speaker 2: the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, mel So, you know, this team has

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Speaker 1: been knocking on the door here for a while of

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Speaker 1: getting to that Super Bowl and winning another championship. In

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Speaker 1: your opinion, how do they use the draft to get

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Speaker 1: over the hump? Like if you're ranking your positions of

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Speaker 1: need and you say, man, they could use a first

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Speaker 1: round pick to invest in this position group and that

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Speaker 1: that could help them get over the hump. Where do

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Speaker 1: you see that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I look at that, you know. Is it a safety?

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Speaker 2: Is it a pass rusher? Yeah? I always want to

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Speaker 2: close out games. I'm bigging out. This is what the

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Speaker 2: NFL is these days. It's the end of the half.

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Speaker 2: They all talk about, we're going to get the ball

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Speaker 2: to start the second half. We're going to score at

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Speaker 2: the end of the first half. We're gonna get it

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Speaker 2: right back to start the second half, and boy, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be able to come back or we're going to

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Speaker 2: put you behind it. We're really in trouble. You're going

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Speaker 2: to be We're going to a bunch of ten seventeen

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Speaker 2: points behind in a blink. So to me, closing out

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Speaker 2: the first half, closing out the second half, getting into

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Speaker 2: as every game in the NFL, teams coming to midway

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Speaker 2: through the fourth quarter, late in the fourth quarter, is

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Speaker 2: that one drive where two drives are going to determine

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Speaker 2: your fate. So can you close it out and to

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Speaker 2: be able to get after the quarterback is so critical.

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Speaker 2: And to me, you can never have enough good pass rushers.

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Speaker 2: I mean o Way was drafted a few years after

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Speaker 2: out of any sacks coming out of Penn State that year.

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Speaker 2: We got a kid Shamar start this year coming out

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Speaker 2: of Texas A and m as one and a half

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Speaker 2: sacks the last three years each year and then the

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Speaker 2: last three years the final seven games of each year.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have a sack, but he's going to probably

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Speaker 2: go in the first round, right, So there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of intriguing guys like that. But to answer your question,

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Speaker 2: pass Rusher would be front and center for me in

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Speaker 2: a safety like maybe a Malachi Starks from Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, you mentioned Malachi Starks and in the latest

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Speaker 3: mock that's who you have the Ravens taking in the

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Speaker 3: first round number twenty seven. And Ryan is a big

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Speaker 3: fan of Malachi Starks, lying too, I mean I think

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Speaker 3: he fits this team in a lot of different ways. Well,

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Speaker 3: what do you like about him and why do you

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Speaker 2: I love guys that have great football iq I did.

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Speaker 2: Those are smart football players. It was reversatile football players,

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Speaker 2: but just ballers and Malachi starts to me this past

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Speaker 2: year they moved him around. I mean, when you just

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Speaker 2: focus on one spot in one role, hees he can

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Speaker 2: wear a lot of hats, There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: But the range he shows, the ability of the tackling ability,

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Speaker 2: which some people questioned. This year. He didn't have the

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Speaker 2: total would have been a lot higher had he had

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Speaker 2: more opportunities this year. But yeah, they were moving him around.

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Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, Malachi starts to me,

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Speaker 2: you have to go back to twenty twenty three and

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Speaker 2: if you did it going into the year, guys, I

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Speaker 2: had him as the seventh right best player in the draft,

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Speaker 2: and I always try to go back to that. I

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Speaker 2: Malachi Starks was right there and was, like I say,

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Speaker 2: one of the top six, seven, eight best players in

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Speaker 2: this draft. So when you start talking about him in

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Speaker 2: the late twenties where the Ravens are picking, we talked

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Speaker 2: about value in the draft. How do you get value.

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Speaker 2: You get value by a guy being injured, banged up

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Speaker 2: or he was misused. Pound around him wasn't the same.

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason, it just didn't click. It just didn't work.

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Speaker 2: To the level it did the previous year. Then Malachi

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Speaker 2: benefit from that. You don't get great value picks because

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Speaker 2: the guy played great. You get great value picked because

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Speaker 2: there's a question something went awry, whether it was injury,

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Speaker 2: not playing up to the level expected, whatever. And so

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Speaker 2: for Malachi Starts that he's there at the end of

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Speaker 2: the first round, I'll forget pass Rusher. I would take

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Speaker 2: Malachai Starts well.

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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing too on safety. So there's kind

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Speaker 3: of two guys that really stand out in that first round.

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Speaker 3: It's Malachi Starts and Nicki Men Warry out of South

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Speaker 3: Carolina and Ema war is one of those guys. When

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Speaker 3: we were talking after the combine, it's like, oh, he's

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Speaker 4: And he actually talked to.

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Speaker 3: of him and Kyle Hamilton were on the same defense.

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Speaker 3: So I'm curious, like for you, when you look at Warri,

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Speaker 3: of the mold to Kyle Hamilton. And in one hand

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Speaker 3: you can say you can't have him too many. Kyle

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Speaker 3: Hamilton is a great player, but how would those two

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Speaker 2: I've asked people in the leg about that. He said, Hey,

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Speaker 2: have them both, use them different ways, put them both

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Speaker 2: be there, I don't think. And I'm I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: stubborn with this stuff if I lock into it. And

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Speaker 2: I love Malachi Starks, so I kept him as my

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Speaker 2: number one safety. You could very easily make a case

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Speaker 2: for Eemond Warry. It depends what you're looking for. Emon

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Speaker 2: Warri is a freakish talent. Yeah, he's not Kyle Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: He's not built that way. He's faster on a straight line,

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Speaker 2: but he doesn't have the agility, quickness that I think

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Speaker 2: Even Warre is a heck of a talent, and he's

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Speaker 2: going to go I think Tampa Bay, Cincinnati. There's gonna

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Speaker 2: be plenty of teams in that, you know, middle of

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Speaker 2: he could come off the board. Now we will allow

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Speaker 2: Malaki to get maybe down into that general range where

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Speaker 2: Kevin Winston Junior could out of Penn State, who unfortunately

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Speaker 2: was hurt as many players, I think the theme of

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Speaker 2: this draft, unfortunately, is a lot of injured players that

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Speaker 2: So he's one of those guys. And I'm pretty high

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Speaker 2: on Kevin Winston Junior, the safety out of Pench. The

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Speaker 2: same thing with Xavier Wats who at thirteen interceptions over

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Speaker 2: the last two years at Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you mentioned Ed Rusher's mill, and you know

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Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart was a player that after the combine everybody

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Speaker 1: had him going in like the top fifteen. And now

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Speaker 1: as it tends to happen, it kind of things settle

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. And as you mentioned, obviously not

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Speaker 1: a lot of production in college sack production. The Ravens

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Speaker 1: them a little bit gun shy maybe to take him,

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Speaker 1: even though Oway is he's developed he was a you know,

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Speaker 1: double digit sack guy this year.

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Speaker 2: I do not think they would take Shamar start. To

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Speaker 2: answer your question, Ryan, no, I don't think Shamar Stort

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Speaker 2: will be a raven just because of the fact that

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Speaker 2: when you watch him, I didn't see the disruptive plays.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see him beating a guy initially that he

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Speaker 2: should have. I called him AOG. I kind of coined

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Speaker 2: that phrase. You know what stands for right, another occupation guy,

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Speaker 2: and that's AOG. So all the guy, most of the

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Speaker 2: guys you play against in college, I call him AOG.

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Speaker 2: And if you can't beat them, you're playing against the

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Speaker 2: best in the world. When you get to the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Want to play by play basis, even if it's a backup.

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Speaker 2: These are the best in the world playing in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: These are aog's okay, So you can't beat them all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, that's gonna what's going to click in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. Even so, to answer your question, I think

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Speaker 2: Shamar Stort, somebody, a defensive line coach will probably fight

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Speaker 2: for him, say I can take him, I can make him.

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Speaker 2: If you're taking him in the first round, and you

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Speaker 2: better be thinking ten to twelve sacks a year. That's

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Speaker 2: what I always Oh wait, finally got to that point

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Speaker 2: this year. Right, you got to be thinking first round

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Speaker 2: pass rusher. I got to be getting double digit sacks

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Speaker 2: gonna take him? Look at Trey Hendrickson, what's he get

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Speaker 2: draft choice. So now the Neil Hunter didn't have many

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Speaker 2: sacks of Doell Issues got ninety nine career sacks. Now

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Speaker 2: he was with a fourth round pick. So you have

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Speaker 2: had outliers that have not had great sack production in

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Speaker 2: college that have gone on to do it with their outliers.

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Speaker 2: And Bill Poeian told me and screamed at me, you melt,

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Speaker 2: you don't draft outliers. Okay, if we have a range

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Speaker 2: on a wide nine, it says a wide nine has

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Speaker 2: got to be four to six, y five or better.

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Speaker 2: We can't draft the guy at four seven to one

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Speaker 2: for a forty can't do it. So you got what's

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Speaker 2: the take guys to be able to do You got

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Speaker 2: a discipline. Part of being a great valueur is being

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Speaker 2: disciplined in your approach and not letting something happen to say, well,

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Speaker 1: We'll see now, now, mel a guy who kind of

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Speaker 2: I think people are laughing at it. Where'd you get

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Speaker 3: Wait, well you mentioned Swessinger and the report came out

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Speaker 2: Well, do you think about the Ravens. It wasn't Ray

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Speaker 2: Who is he? Because he wasn't on the list of

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Speaker 2: They do, and he's spent two forty seven six and

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Speaker 2: That's not the end all be all, but the longer

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Speaker 2: Then do you have the attitude the approach to be

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Speaker 2: He plays like a raven. Now is that you know

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Speaker 1: Well, Elvis Damerville was a shorter pass usher. He had

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you the guy, you know, Derek Harmon's interesting.

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Speaker 2: first round pick. He was a second round pick. Cam

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Speaker 2: Hayward was in the top ten to fifteen pick in

430
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Speaker 2: the first round. Was in the first round. He didn't

431
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Speaker 2: go top ten to fifteen. So these are guys were

432
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Speaker 2: kind of pushed down a little bit. And look what

433
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Speaker 2: happened here they are playing you know when you thought

434
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Speaker 2: there's no way, and Miami won him back. Now he's

435
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Speaker 2: back in Arizona. Kalaias Campbell, Right, Cam Hayward's got another

436
00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,040
Speaker 2: deal going where he's going to be there, And here's

437
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Speaker 2: the kid could learn from him there.

438
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you.

439
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Speaker 2: The interesting guy too is water Nolan from Old Miss Yeah,

440
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Speaker 2: what do you do? Where does he fit into a

441
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Speaker 2: defensive line scheme. I think he's schemed, versatile. I know

442
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Speaker 2: he's disruptive. I know he plays hard, and I know

443
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Speaker 2: he was ahead a heck of a year at Old

444
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Speaker 2: Miss after going to A and M as the number

445
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Speaker 2: one player come out of high school football. But I

446
00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,840
Speaker 2: think teams are a little bit kind I would say up,

447
00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,840
Speaker 2: but the figure trying to figure it out. I've heard

448
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Speaker 2: opinions all over the flight. Some think he could go

449
00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,199
Speaker 2: ten to eleven in the first round. I got him

450
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Speaker 2: in the early second because that's what you hear. Kind

451
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Speaker 2: of the buzz is late first, early second. But Walter

452
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Speaker 2: Nolan's a good football player, make no mistake about it.

453
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Speaker 2: When he's on a football field. What did the lake

454
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Speaker 2: great Al Davis say Sunday? It's all about Sunday playing

455
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Speaker 2: on Sundays. Just when baby play on Sunday and on Sunday,

456
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Speaker 2: Walter Nolan will show up and he'll play big for you.

457
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of interesting.

458
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Speaker 3: Defensive line is one of those I guess needs for

459
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Speaker 3: the Ravens that maybe flies under the radar a little bit,

460
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Speaker 3: but would not surprise me if they addressed it early.

461
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Speaker 4: And you have Walter Nolan and Derek Harmon.

462
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Speaker 3: Who could make be there in the first But it

463
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Speaker 3: sounds like you've got Harmon ahead of him, that you

464
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Speaker 3: got the harm and ahead of those at the top

465
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Speaker 3: of the order there for those two guys that would

466
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Speaker 3: maybe make more sense.

467
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Speaker 4: And be a better fit for a better fit.

468
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's gonna really be interesting, guys, And it impacts

469
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Speaker 2: the Raves. I brought this up. What impacts even that

470
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Speaker 2: tapeless situation with the Harmon is where DoD should Door

471
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Speaker 2: Sanders go? Because we're sitting here in Baltimore. I'm a

472
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Speaker 2: Raven fan. You're all Raven fans love the Ravens. Right,

473
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 2: do we want Shador Sanders in Pittsburgh? I don't, okay,

474
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Speaker 2: because should Door is a winner and he will find

475
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Speaker 2: a way to get the ball to those receivers. This

476
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Speaker 2: notion you can't play in Pittsburgh. I your shauldre Well.

477
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 2: Brady played in New England. He didn't have the great

478
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Speaker 2: arm and didn't have any speak. Brady ran a five

479
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Speaker 2: two twenty four vertical. That's the worst vertical and the

480
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Speaker 2: worst forty of any quarterback I've ever evaluated. Okay, the

481
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Speaker 2: all time greatest quarterback, Johnny Unitas will always be number

482
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Speaker 2: one of my lists. I still have John Elway, as

483
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Speaker 2: you guys know, I love John Elway. We're up to

484
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Speaker 2: despite the fact they didn't come to Baltimore. I didn't

485
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Speaker 2: hold that against them. You talk about where we are

486
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Speaker 2: right now in terms of Shador Sanders. Could he be

487
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Speaker 2: there with the Pittsburgh Steelers pick at twenty one? Could

488
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Speaker 2: he fall in their lap? Ben Roethlisberger fell in their

489
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Speaker 2: lap after Rivers and Eli went early. Right, Look how

490
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: that worked out. Ben Roethlisberger fell in their lap. Well,

491
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Speaker 2: same thing happened with Shador Sanders. I don't think they'll

492
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Speaker 2: take Jackson Dart if Shador's gone. I'll been told not

493
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Speaker 2: for Jackson Dart because it may be a little too

494
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Speaker 2: much Kenny Pickett there right, not enough upside whatever you

495
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Speaker 2: want to talk about there. I don't think Tyler Shuck's

496
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Speaker 2: going that high either. Don't think it will be Jalen

497
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Speaker 2: Milroe necessarily, But Jalen Milroe's intriguing you. If he can

498
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Speaker 2: fix that accuracy, you got a special player. If he can't,

499
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Speaker 2: he'll just be a guy who had packages because he's

500
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Speaker 2: a great runner, and he'll never be a successful starting quarterback.

501
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Speaker 2: You got to roll the dice one Milroe that you

502
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Speaker 2: know he can be accurate. Something was not the latter

503
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Speaker 2: half of this season. Roally the last three quarters of

504
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Speaker 2: this past season.

505
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Speaker 3: So if you're watching we're watching the draft on the

506
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Speaker 3: first night and you hear Shador Sanders going the top ten,

507
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Speaker 3: one of those teams takes him early, we're going to

508
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Speaker 3: get a big round of applause from you on the

509
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Speaker 3: ESPN desk there.

510
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll be very very statisfy that it's not going

511
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Speaker 2: to impact the Ravens negatively, and the Steelers won't get

512
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Speaker 2: the quarterback. I would think they would want to see

513
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Speaker 2: slide down that far. I don't have a problem with

514
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Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck going there. From have a problem with Jackson

515
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 2: Dark going there, would have a problem with Jalen Milroe

516
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Speaker 2: going there. But I don't want to see Shador in

517
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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steeler uniform. And you know, and that could happen.

518
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Speaker 2: That'll be our worst nightmare. If that starts to happen.

519
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody will try to jump ahead of them and

520
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Speaker 2: grab them. I don't know. I don't know what New

521
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Speaker 2: Orleans is going to do at nine. They could take them,

522
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Speaker 2: they could take Dart, they could not even take a quarterback. Okay,

523
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Speaker 2: there are some of the things they're not going to

524
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Speaker 2: go quarterback that that's not going to happen. I think

525
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Speaker 2: they could Kellen Moore hand picked this quarterback. If he

526
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Speaker 2: likes one of the two, take them. We'll see. Chador

527
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Speaker 2: is not probably gonna go to the Giants. We know

528
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Speaker 2: that now, right, he's not one anywhere past New Orleans.

529
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Speaker 2: Where's he going to go? Then you get into no

530
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Speaker 2: man's plan. If it's not the Steelers the Rams. Now

531
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Speaker 2: I keep hearing maybe the Rams won't take a quarterback. Well,

532
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Speaker 2: somebody else trade back in. Well, you know what happens

533
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Speaker 2: here Now, Pittsburgh doesn't get a court of Pittsburgh has

534
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Speaker 2: no two.

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Speaker 1: The can they forfeit their first round pick too? That's

536
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Speaker 1: really the dreams scenary. They lose their first round pick.

537
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Speaker 2: Also, what they're gonna do, what they have they can't

538
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: do is try to moving up won't be now, you

539
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: can always give up picks next year, But to go

540
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 2: up from twenty one without the second round pick that

541
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Speaker 2: they traded the Seattle for DK Medcalf that they're a

542
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Speaker 2: little hamstrung there now because you normally give up to two,

543
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Speaker 2: you move up, you throw another. You know, you have

544
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Speaker 2: to go about to Jimmy Johnson's chart. Right, But now

545
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: all of a sudden with No. Two. What do they

546
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Speaker 2: think are they gonna sit at twenty one? Is somebody

547
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Speaker 2: else like the Giants? If they don't, they don't, They're

548
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Speaker 2: not gonna take sure. Do they feel they need to

549
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Speaker 2: go up and get Shador this Cleveland? Does somebody else

550
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Speaker 2: feel the need to go up and get Shador? Or

551
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Speaker 2: does he, like I say, just fall down to Pittsburgh.

552
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Speaker 2: That's going to be the story of the first round.

553
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers started to slide and Green Bay just waited

554
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Speaker 2: it out.

555
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Speaker 4: Well and Lamar Jackson, how about Lamar Jackson.

556
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Speaker 2: Blumber Sias and guys ranked the third best player in

557
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Speaker 2: the draft. My first year at ESPN in nineteen eighty four,

558
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: they had three picks in the first round. Did not

559
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Speaker 2: take Boomer. They took him in the second round. The

560
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: third player on the board went in the second round.

561
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Speaker 2: Farb was fourteen went in the second round. Okay, it's

562
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: happened before, it can happen again. So there's a chance

563
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Speaker 2: that Shador could be there at twenty one.

564
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Speaker 4: It's interesting.

565
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Speaker 3: Well, last one here for email before we let you leave.

566
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Speaker 3: One of my favorite things is I love always hearing

567
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Speaker 3: some guys that I've never heard of. I never you

568
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Speaker 3: know these guys I've never heard of, and so recently

569
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Speaker 3: talked with Steve Ashatti and John Harbaugh and they said

570
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Speaker 3: they were talking about wide receivers who are like late

571
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Speaker 3: round undrafted type guys, and they were like, hey, I

572
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Speaker 3: like him.

573
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Speaker 4: You like him too.

574
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Speaker 3: So who's the receiver they're talking about, mal Who's this

575
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: receiver that's going to go in the sixth seventh undrafted

576
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Speaker 3: range that we could be talking about here in Baltimore.

577
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Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple guys. I got the list here.

578
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Speaker 2: I mean I went through this because the Blaine Taylor

579
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Speaker 2: and Abilene Christians one. Because we're actually doing a segment

580
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Speaker 2: on this coming up this week on ESPN, which is

581
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Speaker 2: all sleepers and guys down the line. And I look

582
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Speaker 2: at wide receivers and you want small college guys not mating,

583
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Speaker 2: and there's a lot of I call. I always had

584
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Speaker 2: a segment in my draft report which was major college sleepers,

585
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Speaker 2: because there is such a thing as a major college sleeper. Guys.

586
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Speaker 2: There's a good Juwan Newton, the Toledo very under the radar.

587
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: But Efton should the third of Eastern Washington. I like

588
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: the way he played this year. I like that kid

589
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: as a late round priority free agent. There's get Holden

590
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: Willis at Middle Tennessee State is a late rounder. Darius

591
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: Cooper of Tarleton State's another one. Blaine Taylor at Abilene

592
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: Christian Chandler bray Boy at Elon's another one that could

593
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: be the Gibson kid Darkansas Pine Bluff. So those are

594
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: guys from the smaller schools, but from the major schools

595
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: that are under the radar, Guys that I personally have

596
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Speaker 2: a better grade on than some people do. I'll give

597
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Speaker 2: you some of those names. There's a kid, Tory Horton

598
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: at Colorado State got hurt. Was playing really well, so

599
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: he got hurt. He could drop down to a point

600
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Speaker 2: in the draft where he becomes an interesting pick. DK

601
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: the kid at Florida was at Wisconsin, tested well. He

602
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: could be a gunner on special teams. He can be

603
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: help you in the punt return game as a third

604
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: fourth receiver. Watch out for him. Another kid I think

605
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: Jimmy Horn Junior at Colorado. Nice player and if he

606
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: gets pushed into Day three, he could be a good one.

607
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: I like what I saw Rock Taylor at Memphis. Nobody's

608
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: talking about him at all. Daniel Jackson at Minnesota as

609
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: another one was productive. There's a lot of those guys

610
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Speaker 2: that I look at in the later rounds from the

611
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: major college ranks. They're gonna slip through the cracks that

612
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: are gonna be, like I say, either late rounders or

613
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: priority free agents, but they're gonna have a chance to

614
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: play in the league. So I always wonder, where's the

615
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: where's the DK kid from Florida gonna come off the bords.

616
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be third round or it's gonna be fifth round.

617
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: If you can get him in the fifth round, you

618
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: got your second self a heck of a value pick.

619
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Speaker 2: Third round, maybe a little rich, right, but fifth round's

620
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Speaker 2: gonna so with George Young, late great George Young, Calvert

621
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Speaker 2: Hall's own right. George Young told me I got the

622
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Speaker 2: handwritten letters George used to used to write me when

623
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Speaker 2: he got the draft report. He said, now when you

624
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: buy is just as important as who you select. George

625
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: was big into the value. He was big in to

626
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Speaker 2: try to figure out if we get this kind of

627
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: fifth round, I like it a lot better than the

628
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Speaker 2: third or fourth round. So he was big into when

629
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Speaker 2: you buy it is just as important as who you selected.

630
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Speaker 2: I've taken that a little phrase throughout my career and

631
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: pen because it really is true. When you this guy

632
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: protects you against bus That's why you do this board,

633
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: because it protects you against reaching it. We'll protect you

634
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: against some guys who went earlier than they should have.

635
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: You take guys, you put those guys. Carl Peterson always said,

636
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: we go through this exercise for a reason. Guys, let's

637
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: stay true to our board. Let's not deviate from our board.

638
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: We do this for a reason, and it comes true.

639
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: It stands true that it's the test of time. It's

640
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: what's good, the test of time. We put that board

641
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: up for a reason. Just be disciplined in your approach

642
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: and stay true to your board.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like Eric. That sounds like Eric exactly.

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Speaker 1: He's always he's a bargain hunter.

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Speaker 2: Well you gotta be. Hey, I loved it a few

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Speaker 2: years ago when Eric had all those fourth round picks.

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Speaker 2: I was loving it. The ESPN we're drafted a punter

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Speaker 2: stout right, We're getting everybody isaya l likely? You know,

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Speaker 2: Look I always I always used to do this when

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Speaker 2: I was you know, long before I started, I said,

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Speaker 2: always free seams, I put down the picks, why I

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Speaker 2: would move off of this pick. I'd end up with

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Speaker 2: fifteen draft picks. I kept trading down, and I've always

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Speaker 2: who could I get? I'd go through and I like,

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Speaker 2: do this little It's not like a fantasy draft, but

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Speaker 2: who I would have taken based on my grades, not

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Speaker 2: just air for the fact, but based on grades, and

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Speaker 2: then see how it all played out three years down

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Speaker 2: the road. Always tried to do that. And then, like

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Speaker 2: I said, Howie Roseman with the Eagles, Eric Tacosta with

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Speaker 2: the Ravens. Ya, let's sneed with the Rams. You know,

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Speaker 2: beach out in Kansas City. There's some great chance. But

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the Ravens have. Hey, you can

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Speaker 2: argue how Howie Roseman. Howie Roseman's gonna be a Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame GM. Eric the Costa is going to be

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Speaker 2: right there with him.

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Speaker 1: Awesome.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Mel.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for taking the time as

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Speaker 1: always to our listeners. Go check out all mels coverage

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Speaker 1: on ESPN in his latest two round bock draft to

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Speaker 1: see who he has come to Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: I don't hide my Ravens. Yeah, I have had dagon

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Speaker 2: what anybody says, I'm Ravens all the way I root

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Speaker 2: for the Ravens. I'm hoping the Ravens. I don't have

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Speaker 2: to hope Ravens will do well. When Dres say Eric

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Speaker 2: and his scouts, they do a great job. And Izzie

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Speaker 2: all those years was phenomenal. So you know this raven organization.

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Speaker 2: Steve Bashaddi leading away, couldn't be proud of those guys.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, Hey, this family, this whole family here,

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Speaker 2: this Polish Catholic family, the hyper family of Baltimore. We

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Speaker 2: love the Ravens. Go Ravens, and I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Guys had a great time.

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Speaker 4: Love it. Thank you Belle, Thank you Mel.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back into the lounge where you're coming to you

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Speaker 3: from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to mention

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Speaker 3: our partners at Draft King Sportsbook. There an official sports

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Speaker 3: betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft King Sportsbook.

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Speaker 4: The Crown is yours. So it's always a highlight of

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Speaker 4: the year when we get a chance to talk to Mel.

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Speaker 4: He's one of our favorite guys.

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Speaker 3: We've done this this interview with him on the pod

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Speaker 3: several times over the years and it's always, uh, it's

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Speaker 3: always a It's a favorite day of mine just to

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Speaker 3: get to talk to him.

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Speaker 4: It's it's always great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a workhorse, you know. I mean, it's pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: He was holding a ESPN conference call with reporters before

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Speaker 1: he came on the podcast. I was like, I can't

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Speaker 1: get enough of Mel. I loved on to that too.

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Speaker 1: He was gracious enough to give you a question on

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Speaker 1: that as well.

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Speaker 4: You and Mel just basically hung out all day today.

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Speaker 1: I wish that would be a dream day for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so big thank you ta Mel for coming on the lounge.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think some really great insight. He's

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Speaker 1: a Malachi Sarks guy. He really likes Malachi Starts Starks

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Speaker 1: and Donovanez, Roku the pass rusher from BC. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's those guys that are Mel guys, and hey, he

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Speaker 1: hit one of them.

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Speaker 4: Last year.

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Speaker 1: Roger Rosengarten was a Mel guy. He was really high

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Speaker 1: on him and the Ravens ended up taking him.

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Speaker 2: So well.

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Speaker 3: You you have said throughout this process leading up to

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Speaker 3: the draft that you feel like Malachi Starks is the

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Speaker 3: player who the Ravens will draft in the first round.

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Speaker 3: You're aligned with Mel kiper on that both of you

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Speaker 3: have have the Ravens taking him, and after talking with him,

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Speaker 3: does that make you feel I guess more confident in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing is that Mel says, you know,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have as good a final season because he

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Speaker 1: was being moved around everywhere. You know, now the Ravens

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Speaker 1: like to move their safeties around. Maybe the player they

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Speaker 1: draft to put next to Kyle Hamilton doesn't move around.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's more of a true free safety because Kyle

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Speaker 1: Hamilton has that versatility, right, But you know, I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's intriguing in that starts part of the

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Speaker 1: the good things about him is that he has that versatility.

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Speaker 1: But Mel saying the reason why he might slide to

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Speaker 1: the Ravens is because he didn't play as well with

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Speaker 1: that versatility.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting the point that he makes in the whole

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Speaker 3: conversation around versatility and also value, Like if you're getting

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Speaker 3: a value there, there's a reason that a guy's gonna

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Speaker 3: be there at twenty seven and maybe it's positional value,

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Speaker 3: or maybe it's maybe it's he was injured, or maybe

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Speaker 3: he didn't play as well, But like that can that

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Speaker 3: can work to your benefit? And there's been plenty of

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Speaker 3: times over the years where that has worked to the

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Speaker 3: Ravens benefit. Like when KYLEA. Hamilton was there at fourteen.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people didn't think he was gonna get there,

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Speaker 3: but he was there, probably because he played safety and didn't.

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Speaker 4: Have the flexibility.

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Speaker 1: Thing is that question mark often leads.

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Speaker 3: To yes, that's one of the questions and from a

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Speaker 3: value standpoint, so all that could lead to him being

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Speaker 3: there and if the Ravens end up, you know, the

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Speaker 3: pass rusher. We spent a lot of time talking dB

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Speaker 3: and pass rusher with Mel and like that to me,

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Speaker 3: if I'm I haven't locked it in yet, I know

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Speaker 3: you have. But I'm leaning secondary, like my gut instinct

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Speaker 3: right now is secondary in the first round. That could

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Speaker 3: be safety, that could be a corner, and then of

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Speaker 3: course you have the defensive front as well. It's interesting

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Speaker 3: a lot of defensive talk. I mean, we're really leaning

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Speaker 3: heavy on the defensive side here in the conversation for

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Speaker 3: what the Ravens are gonna do in the first round,

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Speaker 3: maybe in the first couple rounds. It just seems defense heavy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I certainly that's what I expect to happen. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are some other spots. I think tight end, running back, receiver,

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Speaker 1: I think interior offensive line or tackle, guard, tackle. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna take some offensive players, but it's gonna be dominated

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Speaker 1: on the defensive sides.

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Speaker 4: Especially early.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I really see a lot of those

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Speaker 1: coming off.

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Speaker 4: The board day three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I would be really surprised at the Ravens

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Speaker 3: ended up. I mean, you could maybe talk yourself into

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Speaker 3: an offensive lineman maybe, but I would be surprised if

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Speaker 3: they address those other positions on the first two days.

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Speaker 3: So as always, we'd love to hear from you guys,

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Speaker 3: the listeners and the viewers. You can email us the

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Speaker 3: lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Let us know

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Speaker 3: what question you have and let us know your thoughts

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Speaker 3: on the upcome the draft him Thanks again to mel

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Speaker 3: Kiper for joining us. You can watch his coverage all

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Speaker 3: throughout the draft and leading up to it on ESPN.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for watching. We'll talk to Vincent