WEBVTT - Christian Louboutin 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.039 Hey everybody, thanks for pulling up a chair. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:08.520 Today. 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.920 We're back at the Sunset Tower Hotel in Hollywood on 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:16.280 a glorious sunny day and we're getting a little bit 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:22.640 of Paris in the house, which is super exciting. Bonur, Hello, Hello. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.160 Today we're having lunch with one of the most famous 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:31.319 shoe designers ever, very identifiable issues because they all have 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.639 a red soul. So we have lunch. So I hope 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:35.320 you're hungry. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.879 I am hungry. Good. So what are you gonna have? Ales? 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:41.120 Very good? 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:42.920 Okay, So I have the loves of tackles. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:47.520 What does that red soul mean? 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:49.720 Is it power? Is it wealth? 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:50.440 Is it sex? 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:51.239 I don't know. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.840 But we are having lunch with Christian Lubiitin today at 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.280 the Sunset Tower. So pull up a chair, definitely, pour 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.680 yourself a glass or rose, and enjoy. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.679 I'm Bruce Bosi and this is my podcast Table for two. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.039 If you pulled up a chair today on Table for two, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.319 we're sitting with one of the most iconic designers in 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.640 the world, a super incredible guy. I mean, I just 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.039 got to say Christian. He is the world renown designer 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.880 of one of the most famous shoes, but so many 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.399 things Christian you design. Now we're having lunch with Christian Lubitan. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.280 What brings you to Los Angeles? 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.880 Many things I've been doing a little too old America. 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.680 I was in New Yorks, and I was in Nashville, 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:47.880 and I was in Las Vegas. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:49.600 I go to San Diego. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.800 I came here for you and then done back to parents. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:56.320 All for. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.880 All religious religious religion, two world exactly, Okay, on some 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:02.919 different projects. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.040 Some net going to talk to you about because it's still. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.919 Well, the lunch is young and the show has just begun. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.240 Maybe I can get Squeeze one. I can't because he's 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.240 come with someone and she'll knock us out. So now 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.000 I know what brings you to Los Angeles. You're on 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.680 your on an American tour a little tool, yeah, which 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.840 is good. And then when you go from l Aed 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:25.720 you go back to France. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.200 I go back to France. It's it's the main reason 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.040 is that my three daughters are having the It's not 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:33.880 a party. It's the end of the it's the end 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.960 of the school things or the school term. So there 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.400 is like this party. So there is no way I 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.320 would ever miss that. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.720 You know, you talk about your children and you know, 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.840 one of the things that I find fascinating with you 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:46.359 is you. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.360 Know you, you know when you. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.480 Think about your early desire or attraction to be a 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.359 designer and shoes, like you were young, and for sure 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.560 you were kind of a rebel, a young rebel. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.640 But you know, how do you think that began? 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.680 Like what what caught your eye as a as a 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:04.880 young as a young boy. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:06.880 You know, I would say rebel. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.079 I like the word rebel, and I like it for 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.440 me to accepting that rebel, your you're rebellion against something. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.360 Rebel is in rebellion against something. I never was in 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.680 rebellion against anything. I had the loveliest parents, So I 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.680 was not in rebellion against my parents or against anything, 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:26.760 society or whatever. 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.960 I was just very free. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.560 And this is really due to my childhood and to 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.440 my parents, I would say. So I own to my 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.280 parents a lot of things, but the first thing I 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.800 owned them is the capacity of them to allow me 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.000 to really, really to be free. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.360 They never judged anything, They never judged anyone. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.520 Including their kids. So I was not a rebel, but 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.600 I wasn't kind of mature, very very young boy, I 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:58.200 would say, And from an early age I was going out. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.000 You know, I was going out when I was two. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.280 Twelve and a half, right, not you know, not coming 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:04.840 back at the And you know I didn't have like 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.440 the two am permission. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.000 I had the permission of the day after. Okay. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.360 First of all, the fact that like, because I have 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.120 the Eve in sixteen seventeen and I'm like, you know, 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.440 you need to be home at ten pm. Only the 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.599 French are so coold because you know, Christians like I 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.159 didn't have the you know, the two am at twelve. 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.440 Twelve and a half, twelve twelve, I was still stating. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.320 You could be, but you make you say something I 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.240 think is really important in a person's development, and especially 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.840 when they are artistic and talented, coming from parents that 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.039 allow you to be who you are and say okay 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.400 because you're not rebel to rebel, I think is a 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.240 very healthy thing. And when you can't do it because 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.520 your parents woul squashed it, it comes out later in 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.800 life in very peculiar ways. So that's very great. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.320 I mean, no, you know, even at one point when 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.720 I was fourteen fifteen, I thought, you know, most of 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.040 my friends were having problems issues with their parents and 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.680 they had to be difficult and they hated the parents, 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.400 and it seemed healthy to hate your family. Yeah, And 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.360 I felt kind of bad because I never had that. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.039 I thought, Okay, one day I have to hate my mother, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:14.720 one day I. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:15.679 Have to hate my father. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.160 And I was just wondering when it was being to 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.200 happen to me because I really had no reasons, and 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.599 I never had any reasons. And now that they're gone, 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.760 I understand that if you don't have a reason, just 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:28.560 don't try it. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.120 And there was no reason to be against my parents. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:36.119 Because again, yeah, I hope it just happens to music. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.960 Yeah. Oh yeah, she's already cheers. She is. When you 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.159 were twelve and you were sort of exploring and going out, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.120 first of all, it's wonderful that you could live at 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.240 a time when you know there was just safety. You 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.840 just made trusted in the fact that you were going 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.440 to come on back. What was What were the influences 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.560 going on around you at that time, or were their 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:58.680 influences you know. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.599 The thing which happened to me is that. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.880 For some reason I always like to travel, or the 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.200 idea of traveling. I haven't traveled. I never was out 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:18.520 of France before the age of fifteen. Really yeah, we 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.640 were staying in France going to brittany where my family 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.479 is from. So we've been moving back around France. We 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.680 barely made it to Spain. I think the car broke 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.920 or something, so we never made it. Were stayed in 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:35.040 the southwest of France. But I never had a problem 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.680 because in a way I was traveling around my. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.799 Traveling in my bedroom and traveling in my head anyway, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.320 so it was very very very nice. And also I 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:46.120 was preparing. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.480 I was preparing myself to be a big travel So 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.360 my first passion has been funny enough. I wouldn't say 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.000 escape the same way, but to drift, to drift from 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.760 the it says a monotony of my child. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.359 I was not. It was not sad. It was just 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:03.320 very monoptimist. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.080 You know, when you go on holidays at your cousins 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.039 and the same place, there is a form of a 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:13.240 mon aftterny. And so my form of escape of that 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.080 was watching movies. Watching movie has been a very very 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.960 big thing. And also on the way so watching movie. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.240 The problem is that so I'm born in the mid sixties, 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:31.440 so now I'm talking of like mid seventies and late seventies. 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.600 So we're very close like an h show talk so 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.120 you know, yeah, I know all the reference your references. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:39.840 Okay, so go on. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.720 So I don't know about America at that time, but 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:48.800 in France, the cinema of the period was very naturalistic, 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:50.680 so you know, friend on the Girl. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.640 It was all about give me an example of like 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:53.240 a movie. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.120 You know, the Chabrol movies include Sotel movies, so all 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:03.760 those movies where kind of bourgeoise families having issues and 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.280 no one has any makeup, so it was no longer 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:12.200 such an entertaining but all about their introspective into society problems. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.400 So as a kid, I was just not interested. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:20.080 Okay, I liked the Hollywood movies. With the fifties, I like, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.520 of course, like you know, the Marylands, et cetera. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.080 And even the nineteen thirties the d. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.600 Trich everything which had to say with costume or fairy 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:35.160 tale stories, musicals, but the reality had its normalist form 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:36.600 was very boring to me. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.240 I mean, I had it at my place. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.960 Why would I go to the cinema to see Okay, 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.760 you know, I have I have some issues and do 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.320 I really like my wife and do I really get 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:51.480 along with my sister? That type of stories was really 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.000 boring to me. Now retrospectively, when I see those movies 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.840 with the Patina, at the time they look quite non realistic. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.199 So now I'm for interested in the seventies movie, but 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.400 at the time it really bored me. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:04.840 Yeah. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.640 The seventies with film, even in America, just leans into 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.480 real realism of like people's relationships. There was the glamour 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.600 should have went away, you know, movies like here like 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:19.480 Cramer Versus Cramer or you had, you know, darg Day Afternoon, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:20.440 things that were like. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.120 It was so much about introspection. Yeah, it's interesting. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.760 It's just that when you are those topics when you 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.800 are a teenager, yeah, are not for teenager and it's 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.200 not for grown up. It was front and adorns the 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.200 cinema of John Cassavedes. Yes, at the time, to me 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:44.640 it was a little bit too hectic and nervous. Sure, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:50.880 I'm not fun nom. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.880 What were the movies then or the you know, wh 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.720 worthy influences then? Was it like the Catherine Denot was 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.120 it the. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.720 You know, first of all, I really liked this sixties cinema. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.560 It's a French sixties and bags on your wave. Okay, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.080 so you were a punk rocker. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.880 Yeah, explain that. Explain that to me who you were, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.800 because I didn't know that about you. And does that 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.480 play and of course everyone talks about the red soul 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.440 of your shoe because such an, I kind of does 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.920 that play into the reason that exists? 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.000 The sort of well the red sor the punk rock 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:31.679 is there any. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.240 Sort of because it's very rock and roll, and it's 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.160 very sexy and a woman crosses her legs and you 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.720 see that red soul. It's very meaningful. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.440 But I want to go back to the punk rock. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.280 The Okay, thank. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:48.679 You, thank you, Christian The butan is a punk rocker 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:49.319 who knew. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:57.160 Sheina punk rocking. She well, you know that happened in 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.959 a in a very simple way. When I was going, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.400 you know, to around twelve, twelve and a half thirteen 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:03.440 thirteen and a half, I. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:04.640 Ended up meeting people. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.600 So I had at one point this guy that I 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:09.480 was dating. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.120 And his best friend who was slightly older than me. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.760 Oh really wait now, so you're I love that you 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.280 were dating. So you're a how old now? 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.319 Thirteen fourteen, fifteen, thirteen and a half fourteen. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.960 I mean, I should only have been so lucky to 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.719 have been dating a guy at thirteen and a half 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.880 fourteen French. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:32.560 Okay, okay, so you're dating Hew, Yeah, very sweet. I 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.920 remain very very close friends all my life. He's dead now, okay, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:42.360 but we started really really close friend anyway, one of 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.880 his best friends I was like four or five years 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.080 older than me, and we became very very close friend. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.160 So we were going out all the time together. Not 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.280 in clubs really, we went to music at a few clubs, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:02.200 play really theaters, plays to a cinemat to that, and 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.720 sometimes concert and he kind of put me into the 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.160 punk rock music. So with him, I ended up going 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.960 to a lot of concerts, a great concert you know, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.319 the punk on the seventies or the English side of 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.360 the punk, which, because in France we didn't really have 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.800 it was really a true hundred per so importation of 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:27.480 the Brits. So I ended up having this punk sign 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.120 of me accepting that I mixed it with in a 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.319 way my sex lanity, I would say. So I was 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.640 a kind of gay punk which was not really existing. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.600 So I was draping on the safety pins. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.280 Shredding up the T shirts, you know all that stuff 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:43.080 I like really. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.520 So really aesthetic aspect of per I was not a 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:49.480 political point. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.720 I didn't grant. It was really a movement. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.080 We've got a lot of sadness in a way, in 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:57.160 real sadness. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.560 Yeah, because of the poverty of being in the seventies, 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.679 you know, when you were French. When I was as 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.920 a teenager going to London, I was shocked as a 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.360 poverty of London really cool. You have those being both. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:14.120 But he was saying, take a bath two people at 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.599 the same time. It's kind of dirty and doty, you know, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:22.160 compared to piences. So now I wouldn't say it's the inverse, 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.959 but valience has kind of stabilized and London has really emerged. 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:28.160 Loon really has emerged. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.520 It has emerged. It's like one of the leading. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.760 Cities that sort of sets the towne now with a 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.040 lot of factors. So to me, Paris is always and 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.280 will I'm a New Yorker by heart, but it is 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:38.720 the most. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.320 Beautiful city in the world. I agree. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.319 Van Firshenberg, who's very good friends with Christian, always says 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.160 to me, you love the fantasy Parish, that's what you love, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:49.839 But I love the fantasy Prus. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.199 When you go through a city, you bring a fantais is. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.400 This is becomes the energy of the town. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.520 Thanks for joining us on Table for two. 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:23.320 Our guest, Christian Lubritan, is now a world renowned designer 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.200 who created one of the most iconic stilettos of all time. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:32.080 But what inspired his transformation from rebellious punk to an 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.040 icon of the design world? 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:36.600 How do you. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:43.320 Pivot to becoming this young man who starts to realize, okay, 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:48.119 what draws you to start to design and design shoes? 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:54.040 And how do you get to that place? And the stiletto? 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.000 And it was also a time I think where there 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.920 was issues with the stiletto. It was sort of like 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.240 not in favor, you know, like how did was that 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.000 always part of like your eye? 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:05.240 You know? 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.000 Because I always also find it very interesting that men 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.400 design beautifully for women, like the talent that you have 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:12.640 to understanding a woman. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.720 How did that emerge? 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.880 So I would say it comes from a set of 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.360 things combined one thing. And I was brought up in 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.720 the family with a lot of women. I had three sisters, 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.720 a father who was working so who was barely there, 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.400 you know, coming home in the evening, go never there 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:36.280 during the day, sisters always around, older sister and no brother. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.960 That was it single male apart from my father. So 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.160 and I was the smallest one. So I was like 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.160 at a play with a lot of women. You know, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.440 when you're a small kid, even if you're a boy, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:55.240 le's you's a girl. Let's say you're not You're not scary, 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.440 You're scary to women. So I was his little boy. 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:01.880 I'm was not a male presence. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.720 So I was listening to my sister and I had 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:05.120 it all. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:11.600 You know, the boyfriends Tom Pats it's a diet sing 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:17.840 to save a little right female culture. And they were 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.880 never thinking, Okay, here is a guy who's listening to 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.560 girls stars and they were right. So from an earlier age, 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.920 I developed a big thing with girls, right kind of 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:29.960 have no secrets with me. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.400 I'm really easy. I see. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.040 There is no barriers between me and girls in general, 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.920 in terms of that conversation when girls, when they're between girls, 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.880 you know, they have a kind of conversation that they 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.840 wouldn't have if guys are Rather it's like guys don't 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.160 have the same conversation if there is a feminine presence, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.440 you know they're doing to stop. So I often say 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.440 to my male friends, straight male friends, I would say, 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.120 when they start to, you know, speak about girls and 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.560 sometimes being kind of crude, and then they look at 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.440 me they say, oh, so you know where a bit clued. 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.200 Everybody, it's just joking. I said, don't want it. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.280 Girls do the same thing with your don't think that 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.159 when girls are together they're so delicate, and. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.080 That's really not a problem. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.680 But I know that as a fact because I've been 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.080 surrounded by women and girls from my earliest age anyway, 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.639 so I've kind of knew that I wanted to do 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:28.520 things for girls at the very big anyway. Then what 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:33.439 happened is that with my best friend Toann, outside school, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.040 we would go to plays, to. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.080 Cinemas, but also from music home. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.040 And in Paris in the seventies, there was one thing 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.800 if you go to a play, if you go to 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.639 a cinema but mostly plays or music homes, et cetera, 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.920 there is two acts. So second first, everybody goes out 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:00.440 eventually to smoke a cigarette. And we realized, my friend, 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:05.000 then when you're coming back second time, no one is 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.680 asking for the ticket, you know, so everybody goes out, 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:08.640 you come back. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.440 So we were sneaking in second act. 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.320 So I barely saw any first act, but we saw 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.040 every second act of every single show in Paris. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.920 So my favorite were music Home, okay, and so what's 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.560 my first thing? For libergiaby that. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.960 Term mona rose leader, but Leado it was difficult to 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:34.040 sneak in why for Libergia is the easiest, So. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.119 I ended up having this thing. I knew all the 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:41.119 dancers now side dancers. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.800 We don't even have the name of the post, but 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.600 I knew them all because when you see people, you 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.000 know the chorus line. When you see them twenty times, 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.159 you end up right kind of recognized. You noticing the 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.480 one who is always a bit goofy, the one who 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.719 is a bit rough, the one who's always late, the 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.639 one who is incredible. He was the one who is 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:05.159 really sexy, the one he's always late, you know. So 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.520 I actually fought at one point to do something for 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:15.359 this girl. Around that time, there was this museum next 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:16.960 to where we were living. In the twelve hour on 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.840 this month times, my second sister would send me there 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.040 kind of to get rid of me. 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.600 And how to get rid of you. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.560 And it was a museum where you had a lot 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.919 of the biggest aquarium, so a lot of fishes, animals, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:38.280 and then on the top floors collection. It used to 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.720 be called the Museum of the French Colonies, so you 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.359 had a lot of collections. 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.400 From the ex French colonies. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:51.480 So nineteen twenty nine incredibly beautiful crafted museum. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.880 Incredible everything we have to go, the. 0:19:54.880 --> 0:20:01.720 Barons, the floors, windows, the first gate, nineteen twenty nine cover. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.280 He was eighteen years old when he did first commission. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:10.840 Ever, wow, everything is masterpiece of the thirties really anyway. 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.760 So the world and the floor were made out of mosaic. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.920 So the words a sketch when you were entering that museum, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.960 and it was a sketch showing a high heel profile 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.720 and crossing red was forbidden to high heels. It was 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.320 a sketch from the fifties in order to not to 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:32.720 break the floor. But me, as a kid, I had 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.680 never seen a sketch of a high heels, especially from 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.520 the fifties, So I was like, why is this drawing 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:40.480 there existing? 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.160 What is that shoe? What does it mean? 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.960 But because of that, I was looking at the drawing 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:52.280 and at one point realized that it was probably which 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.480 is not existing, but it was showing a heel and 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:56.520 it was forbidden to. 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.200 Spikey thing because it would break the floor. 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.920 So it's a starting point where I realized that everything 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.680 starts by a sketch and everything you see. We're in 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.640 this restaurant that has started by a sketch. Someone has 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:16.080 designed that microphone. That plate has been designed somehow somewhere 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.480 by someone by not a very interesting plat. 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.159 I was going to say that the same thing for 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:27.120 the interesting the chair has been designed. You know, you've 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:28.360 got studs on that chair. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:34.080 So all of this made me realize that everything starts 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:38.840 by someone's brain going through the hand and start sketching, 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.720 and then it becomes on at a reality. 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.560 How over you again? So I just remember I'm contuctual 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:50.080 as well. Jesus a twelve eleven twelve year for you. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:52.560 Yeah wow. 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.040 I was watching Charlie's Angels in New York from my 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.560 pajamas and you are, m. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:07.119