1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, thanks for pulling up a chair. 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: Today. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: We're back at the Sunset Tower Hotel in Hollywood on 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: a glorious sunny day and we're getting a little bit 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: of Paris in the house, which is super exciting. Bonur, Hello, Hello. 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Today we're having lunch with one of the most famous 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: shoe designers ever, very identifiable issues because they all have 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 1: a red soul. So we have lunch. So I hope 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: you're hungry. 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: I am hungry. Good. So what are you gonna have? Ales? 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Very good? 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: Okay, So I have the loves of tackles. 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: What does that red soul mean? 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: Is it power? Is it wealth? 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: Is it sex? 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: I don't know. 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: But we are having lunch with Christian Lubiitin today at 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: the Sunset Tower. So pull up a chair, definitely, pour 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: yourself a glass or rose, and enjoy. 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: I'm Bruce Bosi and this is my podcast Table for two. 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: If you pulled up a chair today on Table for two, 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: we're sitting with one of the most iconic designers in 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: the world, a super incredible guy. I mean, I just 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: got to say Christian. He is the world renown designer 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: of one of the most famous shoes, but so many 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: things Christian you design. Now we're having lunch with Christian Lubitan. 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: What brings you to Los Angeles? 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: Many things I've been doing a little too old America. 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 4: I was in New Yorks, and I was in Nashville, 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: and I was in Las Vegas. 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: I go to San Diego. 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: I came here for you and then done back to parents. 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: All for. 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: All religious religious religion, two world exactly, Okay, on some 35 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 4: different projects. 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: Some net going to talk to you about because it's still. 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: Well, the lunch is young and the show has just begun. 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: Maybe I can get Squeeze one. I can't because he's 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: come with someone and she'll knock us out. So now 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: I know what brings you to Los Angeles. You're on 41 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: your on an American tour a little tool, yeah, which 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: is good. And then when you go from l Aed 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: you go back to France. 44 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 4: I go back to France. It's it's the main reason 45 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: is that my three daughters are having the It's not 46 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 4: a party. It's the end of the it's the end 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: of the school things or the school term. So there 48 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: is like this party. So there is no way I 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 4: would ever miss that. 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: You know, you talk about your children and you know, 51 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: one of the things that I find fascinating with you 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: is you. 53 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: Know you, you know when you. 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: Think about your early desire or attraction to be a 55 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: designer and shoes, like you were young, and for sure 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: you were kind of a rebel, a young rebel. 57 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: But you know, how do you think that began? 58 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: Like what what caught your eye as a as a 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: young as a young boy. 60 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: You know, I would say rebel. 61 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 4: I like the word rebel, and I like it for 62 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 4: me to accepting that rebel, your you're rebellion against something. 63 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 4: Rebel is in rebellion against something. I never was in 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 4: rebellion against anything. I had the loveliest parents, So I 65 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 4: was not in rebellion against my parents or against anything, 66 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: society or whatever. 67 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: I was just very free. 68 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 4: And this is really due to my childhood and to 69 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 4: my parents, I would say. So I own to my 70 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: parents a lot of things, but the first thing I 71 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: owned them is the capacity of them to allow me 72 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: to really, really to be free. 73 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: They never judged anything, They never judged anyone. 74 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: Including their kids. So I was not a rebel, but 75 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: I wasn't kind of mature, very very young boy, I 76 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 4: would say, And from an early age I was going out. 77 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: You know, I was going out when I was two. 78 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: Twelve and a half, right, not you know, not coming 79 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: back at the And you know I didn't have like 80 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 4: the two am permission. 81 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: I had the permission of the day after. Okay. 82 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: First of all, the fact that like, because I have 83 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: the Eve in sixteen seventeen and I'm like, you know, 84 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: you need to be home at ten pm. Only the 85 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: French are so coold because you know, Christians like I 86 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: didn't have the you know, the two am at twelve. 87 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: Twelve and a half, twelve twelve, I was still stating. 88 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: You could be, but you make you say something I 89 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: think is really important in a person's development, and especially 90 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: when they are artistic and talented, coming from parents that 91 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: allow you to be who you are and say okay 92 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: because you're not rebel to rebel, I think is a 93 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: very healthy thing. And when you can't do it because 94 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: your parents woul squashed it, it comes out later in 95 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: life in very peculiar ways. So that's very great. 96 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 4: I mean, no, you know, even at one point when 97 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: I was fourteen fifteen, I thought, you know, most of 98 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 4: my friends were having problems issues with their parents and 99 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 4: they had to be difficult and they hated the parents, 100 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 4: and it seemed healthy to hate your family. Yeah, And 101 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: I felt kind of bad because I never had that. 102 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: I thought, Okay, one day I have to hate my mother, 103 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: one day I. 104 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 2: Have to hate my father. 105 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 4: And I was just wondering when it was being to 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: happen to me because I really had no reasons, and 107 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 4: I never had any reasons. And now that they're gone, 108 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: I understand that if you don't have a reason, just 109 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 4: don't try it. 110 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: And there was no reason to be against my parents. 111 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 4: Because again, yeah, I hope it just happens to music. 112 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah, she's already cheers. She is. When you 113 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: were twelve and you were sort of exploring and going out, 114 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: first of all, it's wonderful that you could live at 115 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: a time when you know there was just safety. You 116 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: just made trusted in the fact that you were going 117 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: to come on back. What was What were the influences 118 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: going on around you at that time, or were their 119 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: influences you know. 120 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: The thing which happened to me is that. 121 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: For some reason I always like to travel, or the 122 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: idea of traveling. I haven't traveled. I never was out 123 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 4: of France before the age of fifteen. Really yeah, we 124 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: were staying in France going to brittany where my family 125 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 4: is from. So we've been moving back around France. We 126 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 4: barely made it to Spain. I think the car broke 127 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 4: or something, so we never made it. Were stayed in 128 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 4: the southwest of France. But I never had a problem 129 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: because in a way I was traveling around my. 130 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 2: Traveling in my bedroom and traveling in my head anyway, 131 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: so it was very very very nice. And also I 132 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: was preparing. 133 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 4: I was preparing myself to be a big travel So 134 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: my first passion has been funny enough. I wouldn't say 135 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 4: escape the same way, but to drift, to drift from 136 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: the it says a monotony of my child. 137 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 2: I was not. It was not sad. It was just 138 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: very monoptimist. 139 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 4: You know, when you go on holidays at your cousins 140 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 4: and the same place, there is a form of a 141 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 4: mon aftterny. And so my form of escape of that 142 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 4: was watching movies. Watching movie has been a very very 143 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: big thing. And also on the way so watching movie. 144 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 4: The problem is that so I'm born in the mid sixties, 145 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 4: so now I'm talking of like mid seventies and late seventies. 146 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: So we're very close like an h show talk so 147 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I know all the reference your references. 148 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so go on. 149 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: So I don't know about America at that time, but 150 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: in France, the cinema of the period was very naturalistic, 151 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: so you know, friend on the Girl. 152 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: It was all about give me an example of like 153 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: a movie. 154 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 5: You know, the Chabrol movies include Sotel movies, so all 155 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: those movies where kind of bourgeoise families having issues and 156 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 5: no one has any makeup, so it was no longer 157 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: such an entertaining but all about their introspective into society problems. 158 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: So as a kid, I was just not interested. 159 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: Okay, I liked the Hollywood movies. With the fifties, I like, 160 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: of course, like you know, the Marylands, et cetera. 161 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: And even the nineteen thirties the d. 162 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: Trich everything which had to say with costume or fairy 163 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 4: tale stories, musicals, but the reality had its normalist form 164 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: was very boring to me. 165 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I had it at my place. 166 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 4: Why would I go to the cinema to see Okay, 167 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: you know, I have I have some issues and do 168 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 4: I really like my wife and do I really get 169 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: along with my sister? That type of stories was really 170 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: boring to me. Now retrospectively, when I see those movies 171 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 4: with the Patina, at the time they look quite non realistic. 172 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: So now I'm for interested in the seventies movie, but 173 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 4: at the time it really bored me. 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 175 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: The seventies with film, even in America, just leans into 176 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: real realism of like people's relationships. There was the glamour 177 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: should have went away, you know, movies like here like 178 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: Cramer Versus Cramer or you had, you know, darg Day Afternoon, 179 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: things that were like. 180 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: It was so much about introspection. Yeah, it's interesting. 181 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: It's just that when you are those topics when you 182 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: are a teenager, yeah, are not for teenager and it's 183 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 4: not for grown up. It was front and adorns the 184 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: cinema of John Cassavedes. Yes, at the time, to me 185 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 4: it was a little bit too hectic and nervous. Sure, 186 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: I'm not fun nom. 187 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: What were the movies then or the you know, wh 188 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: worthy influences then? Was it like the Catherine Denot was 189 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: it the. 190 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: You know, first of all, I really liked this sixties cinema. 191 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: It's a French sixties and bags on your wave. Okay, 192 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: so you were a punk rocker. 193 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, explain that. Explain that to me who you were, 194 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: because I didn't know that about you. And does that 195 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: play and of course everyone talks about the red soul 196 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: of your shoe because such an, I kind of does 197 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: that play into the reason that exists? 198 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: The sort of well the red sor the punk rock 199 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: is there any. 200 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: Sort of because it's very rock and roll, and it's 201 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: very sexy and a woman crosses her legs and you 202 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: see that red soul. It's very meaningful. 203 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: But I want to go back to the punk rock. 204 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: The Okay, thank. 205 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: You, thank you, Christian The butan is a punk rocker 206 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: who knew. 207 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: Sheina punk rocking. She well, you know that happened in 208 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 4: a in a very simple way. When I was going, 209 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: you know, to around twelve, twelve and a half thirteen 210 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: thirteen and a half, I. 211 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: Ended up meeting people. 212 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 4: So I had at one point this guy that I 213 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 4: was dating. 214 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: And his best friend who was slightly older than me. 215 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Oh really wait now, so you're I love that you 216 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: were dating. So you're a how old now? 217 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: Thirteen fourteen, fifteen, thirteen and a half fourteen. 218 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I should only have been so lucky to 219 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: have been dating a guy at thirteen and a half 220 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: fourteen French. 221 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so you're dating Hew, Yeah, very sweet. I 222 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: remain very very close friends all my life. He's dead now, okay, 223 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 4: but we started really really close friend anyway, one of 224 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: his best friends I was like four or five years 225 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 4: older than me, and we became very very close friend. 226 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 4: So we were going out all the time together. Not 227 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: in clubs really, we went to music at a few clubs, 228 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 4: play really theaters, plays to a cinemat to that, and 229 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 4: sometimes concert and he kind of put me into the 230 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: punk rock music. So with him, I ended up going 231 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 4: to a lot of concerts, a great concert you know, 232 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 4: the punk on the seventies or the English side of 233 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: the punk, which, because in France we didn't really have 234 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: it was really a true hundred per so importation of 235 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 4: the Brits. So I ended up having this punk sign 236 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: of me accepting that I mixed it with in a 237 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 4: way my sex lanity, I would say. So I was 238 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 4: a kind of gay punk which was not really existing. 239 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: So I was draping on the safety pins. 240 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: Shredding up the T shirts, you know all that stuff 241 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: I like really. 242 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: So really aesthetic aspect of per I was not a 243 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: political point. 244 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: I didn't grant. It was really a movement. 245 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of sadness in a way, in 246 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: real sadness. 247 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, because of the poverty of being in the seventies, 248 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 4: you know, when you were French. When I was as 249 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: a teenager going to London, I was shocked as a 250 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: poverty of London really cool. You have those being both. 251 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 4: But he was saying, take a bath two people at 252 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 4: the same time. It's kind of dirty and doty, you know, 253 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 4: compared to piences. So now I wouldn't say it's the inverse, 254 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 4: but valience has kind of stabilized and London has really emerged. 255 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: Loon really has emerged. 256 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: It has emerged. It's like one of the leading. 257 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: Cities that sort of sets the towne now with a 258 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: lot of factors. So to me, Paris is always and 259 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: will I'm a New Yorker by heart, but it is 260 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: the most. 261 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: Beautiful city in the world. I agree. 262 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: Van Firshenberg, who's very good friends with Christian, always says 263 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: to me, you love the fantasy Parish, that's what you love, 264 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: But I love the fantasy Prus. 265 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: When you go through a city, you bring a fantais is. 266 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: This is becomes the energy of the town. 267 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on Table for two. 268 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: Our guest, Christian Lubritan, is now a world renowned designer 269 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: who created one of the most iconic stilettos of all time. 270 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: But what inspired his transformation from rebellious punk to an 271 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: icon of the design world? 272 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: How do you. 273 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: Pivot to becoming this young man who starts to realize, okay, 274 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,119 Speaker 1: what draws you to start to design and design shoes? 275 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: And how do you get to that place? And the stiletto? 276 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: And it was also a time I think where there 277 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: was issues with the stiletto. It was sort of like 278 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: not in favor, you know, like how did was that 279 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: always part of like your eye? 280 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: You know? 281 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: Because I always also find it very interesting that men 282 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: design beautifully for women, like the talent that you have 283 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: to understanding a woman. 284 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: How did that emerge? 285 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 4: So I would say it comes from a set of 286 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: things combined one thing. And I was brought up in 287 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 4: the family with a lot of women. I had three sisters, 288 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: a father who was working so who was barely there, 289 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 4: you know, coming home in the evening, go never there 290 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: during the day, sisters always around, older sister and no brother. 291 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: That was it single male apart from my father. So 292 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: and I was the smallest one. So I was like 293 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 4: at a play with a lot of women. You know, 294 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: when you're a small kid, even if you're a boy, 295 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: le's you's a girl. Let's say you're not You're not scary, 296 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 4: You're scary to women. So I was his little boy. 297 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: I'm was not a male presence. 298 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: So I was listening to my sister and I had 299 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: it all. 300 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 4: You know, the boyfriends Tom Pats it's a diet sing 301 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: to save a little right female culture. And they were 302 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 4: never thinking, Okay, here is a guy who's listening to 303 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: girls stars and they were right. So from an earlier age, 304 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: I developed a big thing with girls, right kind of 305 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: have no secrets with me. 306 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm really easy. I see. 307 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 4: There is no barriers between me and girls in general, 308 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 4: in terms of that conversation when girls, when they're between girls, 309 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: you know, they have a kind of conversation that they 310 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 4: wouldn't have if guys are Rather it's like guys don't 311 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: have the same conversation if there is a feminine presence, 312 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 4: you know they're doing to stop. So I often say 313 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: to my male friends, straight male friends, I would say, 314 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 4: when they start to, you know, speak about girls and 315 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 4: sometimes being kind of crude, and then they look at 316 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 4: me they say, oh, so you know where a bit clued. 317 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: Everybody, it's just joking. I said, don't want it. 318 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: Girls do the same thing with your don't think that 319 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 4: when girls are together they're so delicate, and. 320 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: That's really not a problem. 321 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 4: But I know that as a fact because I've been 322 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 4: surrounded by women and girls from my earliest age anyway, 323 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 4: so I've kind of knew that I wanted to do 324 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: things for girls at the very big anyway. Then what 325 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 4: happened is that with my best friend Toann, outside school, 326 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 4: we would go to plays, to. 327 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: Cinemas, but also from music home. 328 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 4: And in Paris in the seventies, there was one thing 329 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 4: if you go to a play, if you go to 330 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 4: a cinema but mostly plays or music homes, et cetera, 331 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 4: there is two acts. So second first, everybody goes out 332 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 4: eventually to smoke a cigarette. And we realized, my friend, 333 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 4: then when you're coming back second time, no one is 334 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 4: asking for the ticket, you know, so everybody goes out, 335 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 4: you come back. 336 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: So we were sneaking in second act. 337 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 4: So I barely saw any first act, but we saw 338 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 4: every second act of every single show in Paris. 339 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: So my favorite were music Home, okay, and so what's 340 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: my first thing? For libergiaby that. 341 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 4: Term mona rose leader, but Leado it was difficult to 342 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: sneak in why for Libergia is the easiest, So. 343 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: I ended up having this thing. I knew all the 344 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: dancers now side dancers. 345 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: We don't even have the name of the post, but 346 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 4: I knew them all because when you see people, you 347 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 4: know the chorus line. When you see them twenty times, 348 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 4: you end up right kind of recognized. You noticing the 349 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 4: one who is always a bit goofy, the one who 350 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 4: is a bit rough, the one who's always late, the 351 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 4: one who is incredible. He was the one who is 352 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 4: really sexy, the one he's always late, you know. So 353 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: I actually fought at one point to do something for 354 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 4: this girl. Around that time, there was this museum next 355 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 4: to where we were living. In the twelve hour on 356 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 4: this month times, my second sister would send me there 357 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 4: kind of to get rid of me. 358 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: And how to get rid of you. 359 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 4: And it was a museum where you had a lot 360 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 4: of the biggest aquarium, so a lot of fishes, animals, 361 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: and then on the top floors collection. It used to 362 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 4: be called the Museum of the French Colonies, so you 363 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 4: had a lot of collections. 364 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 2: From the ex French colonies. 365 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 4: So nineteen twenty nine incredibly beautiful crafted museum. 366 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 2: Incredible everything we have to go, the. 367 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 4: Barons, the floors, windows, the first gate, nineteen twenty nine cover. 368 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: He was eighteen years old when he did first commission. 369 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: Ever, wow, everything is masterpiece of the thirties really anyway. 370 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: So the world and the floor were made out of mosaic. 371 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 4: So the words a sketch when you were entering that museum, 372 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 4: and it was a sketch showing a high heel profile 373 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: and crossing red was forbidden to high heels. It was 374 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: a sketch from the fifties in order to not to 375 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: break the floor. But me, as a kid, I had 376 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 4: never seen a sketch of a high heels, especially from 377 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: the fifties, So I was like, why is this drawing 378 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 4: there existing? 379 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: What is that shoe? What does it mean? 380 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 4: But because of that, I was looking at the drawing 381 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 4: and at one point realized that it was probably which 382 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 4: is not existing, but it was showing a heel and 383 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 4: it was forbidden to. 384 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 2: Spikey thing because it would break the floor. 385 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 4: So it's a starting point where I realized that everything 386 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 4: starts by a sketch and everything you see. We're in 387 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 4: this restaurant that has started by a sketch. Someone has 388 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 4: designed that microphone. That plate has been designed somehow somewhere 389 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 4: by someone by not a very interesting plat. 390 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: I was going to say that the same thing for 391 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 2: the interesting the chair has been designed. You know, you've 392 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 2: got studs on that chair. 393 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 4: So all of this made me realize that everything starts 394 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: by someone's brain going through the hand and start sketching, 395 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 4: and then it becomes on at a reality. 396 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: How over you again? So I just remember I'm contuctual 397 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: as well. Jesus a twelve eleven twelve year for you. 398 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah wow. 399 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: I was watching Charlie's Angels in New York from my 400 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: pajamas and you are, m. 401 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: No, I was not. And so because of that, I 402 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: really started to understand that there is a starting. 403 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 4: Point to almost everything, and it has to go by 404 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 4: from you to your hand, to your braind to your voice, 405 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 4: whatever you want to do. Right, So I started to 406 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 4: sketch that shoe, changing the high, changing the column, but 407 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: kind of the same profile shoe and then because of 408 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 4: that at school, people were starting to give me things 409 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: information about shoes, because I was not this mad boy 410 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: who was this, you know with design shoes on the 411 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 4: tables in papers. 412 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: You know, I was thrown out of school. 413 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 4: Because I was like skating on the tables doing directly sketches. 414 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: Anyway, it started like that. So I combined my love. 415 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: For drawing shoes to my love of show girls, because 416 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 4: when I was looking at those girls, I thought, so 417 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 4: not girls and like revery birds, you know, softed birds, 418 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: because I have all those houses. 419 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: So I thought, what can I do for those birds? 420 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: I love this? 421 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: You see this like. 422 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: Cross No, so that's no, that's not that's the rebel 423 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 1: too in you. You're putting you don't know, but you're 424 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: putting it together. The glamour of the show girl, the reverence, 425 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: not the objectrification. 426 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: So if I was looking at them, I didn't think, okay, 427 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 4: I could do costume because they didn't have costumes. They 428 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 4: were kind of naked with a lot of further unnaturally 429 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 4: birds half further. So I didn't think, okay, I have 430 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: to do for those women women birds. So I thought, okay, 431 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 4: the thing which is not natural to. 432 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: Birds, right, is right, So. 433 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 4: I feel that's what I'm going to do. I'm going 434 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 4: to do design the shoes for show Girls. That's actually 435 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: the first job that I had. 436 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, When you had that 437 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: first shoe, that first letter with the red. 438 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: What do you feel like? Did you what did it 439 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 2: look like? 440 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: Was it black? Was it sparkling? 441 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 4: Was you know, it felt like in a way, I'm 442 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 4: going to say a weird word, honesty. Why honessed it? 443 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 4: Because I'm always trying to be as faithful as my 444 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: first initials phots or drawings, for instance, And what happened 445 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 4: for the red sord is that I sketched. I was 446 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: sketching a lot of sketches, and they were all with 447 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 4: bright colors, and I was in the spine actually pretty 448 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 4: much by Andy Warhorn's water colors, you know, the six 449 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 4: and so everything was really pop. 450 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: Colors, vibet colors. 451 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 4: So when I did the first prototype of one of 452 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 4: that sketches, which were full of colors, and there. 453 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: Was no black, no brown, no badges, no tope, no gray, 454 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: you know, it was really right right right right. 455 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 4: So when the first shoe arrived from that series of 456 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 4: shoes that I had drawn, I had the drawing in 457 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 4: my hand, and I had this prototype in my other hand, 458 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 4: and the drawing looked better, and I felt, why so 459 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: turning the shoe, which was good turning the shoe. 460 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: At one point the shoe became almost black. 461 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 4: Because I turned it, and then there was this big 462 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 4: black soul, and I thought, that's not in my drawing. 463 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 4: So it's not a big amount of dark black in 464 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 4: the drawing. So I thought, I have to remove the 465 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 4: black to see if it gives something to my skitch 466 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 4: from my sketch. So I took a nail polish. There 467 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 4: was his girl, Sarah, who was like doing her nails 468 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 4: with an italy, so. 469 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: I took her nail polish. 470 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: We had a bit of a fight, you know, we 471 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 4: were in the factual, but I said, come on, give 472 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 4: me a let me try something, please, okay. 473 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: So I got the nail polished, I painted, I removed 474 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: the black. I didn't add the red. 475 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 4: I removed the black, and then it became red, a 476 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 4: bright color. And then suddenly it hit me that it 477 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 4: suddenly it really looked my primary sketch, and so it 478 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 4: was almost like magic. Here it comes back to life 479 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 4: the sketch. That's why I say honesty, but it's more 480 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 4: to be faithful to you know, as a designer. 481 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: You invent things. 482 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 4: Okay, so you're inventing a woman, you're inventing a silhouette, 483 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 4: to inventing legs, inventing something. 484 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: And when you are. 485 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 4: Sketching, because it's a thing to be a stylist and 486 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: to style, it's another thing to be drawing. 487 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: It's not the same school again, no judgment, it's just different. 488 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: No, it's a different talent, it's a different So that's 489 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: an incredible story. It's you know, it's an incredible realization. 490 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: And I bet you could never have imagined the impact 491 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: and the sort of life that that took. 492 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: Gone. No, that's full shit. 493 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Table for two. Over the years, Christian's 494 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: brand has reached out from shoes to handbags, perfumes, and 495 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 3: much more. His famous red bottomed lubutans are now worn 496 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 3: by actresses and films and on red carpets around the world. 497 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: But it all started with one shoe salon in Paris. 498 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: When did you know, like, okay, I'm going to open 499 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: my own working more to my own story in ninety 500 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: one and how did that feel? Did you remember the 501 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: opening day and did you have like a slew of 502 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: different design like what did it look like? What did 503 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: it feel like? 504 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 4: But what happened is that I've been working for different people. 505 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 4: So I started to work when I was eighteen. I 506 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 4: worked for the Funny bel there and then after a 507 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 4: few months I realized that I had a great time, 508 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 4: but it was not much to do because this is 509 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 4: not Broadway, right, this is nineteen eighty two, nineteen eighty two. 510 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: There is no money in French production for place. 511 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 4: So I'm like, Okay, if I really want to do 512 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 4: my designs, I have to work for fashion. 513 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: So I stopped and called. 514 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 4: The fashion houses, took the yellow pages started by A 515 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 4: no One B Balma. 516 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: No one answered d GEO And I called. 517 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 4: The house of Deal and I said, was you it's 518 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: my name is Can I speak to the director? Because 519 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 4: the woman who the phone says, ah, what director? I said, 520 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 4: director that I cout to your director? All this madam 521 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 4: the marta mar let me go through. And then I 522 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 4: started to speak to that lovely woman. She's been my 523 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 4: first ferry really wow, and she says, what are you doing? 524 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 4: I probably had like. 525 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: This little voice think she said, my little boy, what 526 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: are you doing? I said, shoes. You want to show 527 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: your shoes to me? I say yes, So come when 528 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: do you want to come? So I had a meeting. 529 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: I had that point. I came. She liked the shoes. 530 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 4: She had just come back from Charles Rodon, which was 531 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 4: this big company factory of shoes. 532 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: She said, Joey is fabricated a childs at all? Do 533 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: you want to work there? I say yes. Until it 534 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: started as simple as that. Wow. 535 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 4: Now it's also to tell you how much fashion has changed, 536 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 4: because I think that if you call the house of 537 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 4: your without knowing no one, I don't think you go 538 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 4: very far one hundred. 539 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: You're not going to go very far any direction, which 540 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: is so interesting because it's so sad because so much 541 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: great talent that might be out there can't get through 542 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: to people like her, like madam, who's just like, oh, 543 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: you said, okay, can you show me your shoes? 544 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 4: It was when I say that with no nostalgy, because 545 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 4: you know things are changing, but it was a different area, 546 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 4: you know, the way no groups for the passion did 547 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 4: not exist. You had the house of the own. Mister 548 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: deal was dead, but it was belonging to one person. 549 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 4: You had the house of son. It was been on 550 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 4: into someone mister if san Roman who was alive. The 551 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 4: house of was be there who was alive digital ship 552 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 4: and mister every house had his household, his name. 553 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: His person right. 554 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 4: It was not brands, it was names directly connected to 555 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 4: a real person. 556 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: What a magical time that you came of age in 557 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: that moment because you were still because you're still embodied that. 558 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean you still you know, you have a body 559 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: that your that is a sort of generosity and the 560 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: and the love this view because that's true, that's where 561 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: you come from. Yeah, you know people are now designing 562 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: and Instagram and social media. They're putting things on they 563 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: have like sort of a different avenue. But I think 564 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: it's very different. It's it's not I don't think it 565 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: doesn't work in the same way. 566 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how well you know. 567 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 4: I think that one thing has entered this era for 568 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 4: the fashion world is that there is a lot of 569 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 4: moneys in it and money doesn't destroy everything. That when 570 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 4: money is becoming the first topic, things. 571 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 2: Are very different. 572 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 4: Yes, And when I started my company, I didn't know 573 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 4: what I was going to do. 574 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: I just wanted to do beautiful shoes for great women. Right. 575 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 4: I didn't think, Okay, I'm going to build something. I'm 576 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 4: going to build a huge company. I'm going to build 577 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 4: an empire. 578 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: I had no nothing in my head thinking around me 579 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: designing a shoe. 580 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 4: I was designing shoes, and I had this great possibility 581 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 4: to have one store to show what I was doing. 582 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: That's what I wanted. 583 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 4: And then it started by one place and that's about it. 584 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: But I didn't have any master plans or you know. 585 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 4: I received an award a few years ago, and then 586 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 4: I had that antic, so whatever's achievement of world or something. 587 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 4: And then there was a younger designer doing the same 588 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 4: thing shoes, and so there was this booklet and so 589 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 4: there was a profile and the designers, there was a 590 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 4: profile on me. There was a profile and the few awarded, 591 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 4: and then the person had just started his own company 592 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 4: that maybe three years before. And then it was like 593 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 4: in ten years, this in twenty years out, and I 594 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 4: was thinking, man, why do you give yourself such hard 595 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 4: things on your shoulders to see what's to happen to 596 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 4: you don't put yourself right in ten years. 597 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: I want to have achieved that, because you men not 598 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: have achieved and it's. 599 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 4: Not meaning that you're wrong or you should be unhappy. 600 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 4: Life may carry you in some different corners in different places. 601 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: Don't shrink yourself to a target specific. 602 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 4: If I had to put myself a target in ninety one, 603 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 4: I would have probably been dead by anxiety. You know, 604 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 4: I never had an anxiety because I let the thing going. 605 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 4: Now I have to be slightly more organized because the 606 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 4: company has become a company whatever. 607 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: But it's do you feel when was the moment that 608 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: you saw this is now a thing? 609 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: Was it a woman? Was it natural? 610 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: Like? When did you say, oh, this is this is 611 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: now it this is a thing. 612 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 4: I tell you exactly perfect when because it's in your town, 613 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 4: I mean in here as we're in New York, letter 614 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 4: in where you live now. 615 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: In La, I was taking back to planes, so I 616 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: was doing La. 617 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 4: X Harris, and I was smuggling back some shoes of mine. 618 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 4: So from the store here, from the first door that 619 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 4: I had in La, I brought back some shoes to palace. 620 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 4: So I had a bag litmut turn bag, and then 621 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 4: I go through you know when you go to the 622 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,479 Speaker 4: detector black hand luggage, and then there was the bag 623 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 4: and the shoes, and so it went and it ring 624 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 4: because of the metal. And then one of the women, 625 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 4: you know, the police woman brought it, started screaming, and 626 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 4: I feel what happened? 627 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: And then. 628 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 4: I thought, wow, Now if at the airport people screamed 629 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 4: my name, I probably did something right right here. 630 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: That is a great story. When you see let's just 631 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: say an actress and award show movie, you see these 632 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: very glamorous women and then you notice the heel and 633 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, I've seen it recently and a lot of 634 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: things that have happened. 635 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 2: What is the heel? 636 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: What do you think that woman is saying? Because I 637 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: think they know what they're putting on their feet and 638 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: they want the world to see that red sauce? Like, 639 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: what do you think that? 640 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 2: What is it? 641 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean it means I think, probably something different to everybody. 642 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 2: Exactly. 643 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 4: I think it means something different to everybody because everyone 644 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 4: has their own way of carrying themselves and the you know, 645 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 4: their own choices for different reasons. But last time I 646 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 4: saw something, I saw it. 647 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 2: On a TV. Thing I saw as in DAYA and. 648 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 4: What what what that shoe smelling? And she took the shoes, 649 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 4: She took one of her red sauce, and she says 650 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 4: to me, it is a smell of success. And with 651 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 4: her beautiful eyes, with a really incredible body, lane shoulders, 652 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 4: sleepy eyes getting very wide open. 653 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: Right, she did it brilliantly. 654 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 4: So that's an example of that also for other people. 655 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 4: And it's you know, being a free spirit, being a 656 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 4: liberated person, being in charge, know exactly independence. 657 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 2: Also, I remember this woman telling me that she felt 658 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: obliged to wear heels because of me. 659 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 4: So as I'm sorry, you do whatever you want, you 660 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 4: don't have to wear but she said, no, I have 661 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 4: to explain you. I applied for a job and I 662 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 4: had a pair of your shoes and I got the job. 663 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 4: My boss saw me, he didn't look at the shoe, 664 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 4: but I discussed with him eye contact, with eye level, 665 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 4: and she said, but from now on, it's important for 666 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 4: me with my relationship with my boss to have the 667 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 4: same level the eye contact because if suddenly I look 668 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 4: at him just like you know, gone, because he's kind 669 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 4: of higher than it would change our working relationships. So 670 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 4: it's important for me to keep up this eye contact 671 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 4: to the same level. 672 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: She said. 673 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 4: I'm not approaching this to you, I'm just telling you 674 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 4: that it has shaped a relationship in my work with 675 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 4: my boss. 676 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: It's amazing and use that so everyone is different. 677 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, you also do something that I just feel, as 678 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, people should know about you. As you know, 679 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: you're involved with Idris and Sabrina Elbow with a Walk 680 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: of Mile in My Shoes, which raise you've raised over 681 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: two million dollars too, and all of it goes towards 682 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: organizations and support social equality, all coming from the Racial 683 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: Injustices of twenty twenty one. Yeah, I just think that 684 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: that's the guy you are. You get back you and 685 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know that you were involved in that organization, 686 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: and I think it's really important to know, you know. 687 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's important. 688 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 4: I know as a fact that I am in many 689 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 4: ways very privileged. 690 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 2: And but it's not because you are. 691 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 4: Very privileged or even privileged, that you forget about the 692 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 4: rest of people the rest of the world, you know, 693 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 4: it's not. 694 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 2: On the opposite, I think that if you are privileged, 695 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 2: you have. 696 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 4: Very little excuse to not to help people who are 697 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 4: not privileged, because that otherwise that really creates barriers between 698 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 4: privileged people or non privileged and you. 699 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 2: Don't need to dig that hole very much. 700 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 4: On the opposite, so you know, I think that it's 701 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 4: a I don't take as a mission. I think it's 702 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 4: very normal to give back because it's it is so important. 703 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it is so important. 704 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 5: You know. 705 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 4: I have traveled in many, many places, and again I 706 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 4: realize every time I'm traveling, how much. 707 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 2: As a French person I am privileged. I'm privileged to have. 708 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 4: A passport where you can go in many places and 709 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 4: then have different things. 710 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 2: I am really highly privileged. 711 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 4: It doesn't make me feel better to be privileged versus 712 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 4: people who are not privilege. 713 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 2: You have to help, you know, and. 714 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 4: Even on my selfish way, it makes you feel good, 715 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 4: you know, it makes you feeling makes you feel good. 716 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 4: But so many things make difference for people, and it 717 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 4: doesn't really even. 718 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 2: Make a difference to you, but it really makes a difference. 719 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 2: It has an impact, so it raises the brain. Now 720 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 2: are great on that. 721 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 4: Because it's now the third years that we're doing that collection, 722 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 4: and they're both very involved and one has a person. 723 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: Of the collection. 724 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 4: Goes to all the process of the collection goes to 725 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 4: six charities. According every year, we're changing. 726 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 2: A bit, but it's it's super important. 727 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily speak about it because it's not the 728 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 4: heart of my job, but it's to it's important. 729 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think, and I know you don't. And 730 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to mention, because I. 731 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 6: Feel like it's important for people to know that not 732 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 6: only are you multi facity but giving back and you know, 733 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 6: you get back not for the recognition. 734 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: But for the cause, because, like you said, you sit 735 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: in a seat that allows you to be generous and 736 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: to do make a difference in this world. And at 737 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're here for a short. 738 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 2: Amount of time, you know, just like let's saying Angelina Journey. 739 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, she is for many people, this beautiful woman, beautiful actress. 740 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 4: It hasn't stopped her to be strongly, yes and powerfully 741 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 4: into being a great activity. When I see her, have 742 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 4: the biggest respect right for many reasons, right, but one 743 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 4: of the reasons is out to now it's pretty obvious 744 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 4: and she's been, you know, using her platform her faith 745 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 4: for that which is great. 746 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 2: Bad again, you can be somewhere and somewhere else. 747 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: Right, any just thoughts on the changing the evolution of 748 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: men's fashion with heels, with dresses with you know, you 749 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: were one of the first. I love a heel and 750 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: I always love that. I love your shoes. And I 751 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: remember the first sort of shoe that had a heel, 752 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: and it is a big heel I still had. 753 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 2: It was your that you designed from men. What were you. 754 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: Surprised to see all of a sudden this like? Or 755 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: are surprised when you look at men on the red 756 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: carpet and what they're wearing, how they're presenting themselves today. 757 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's a good thing. But it's 758 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 2: coming again. If you look in the history, men have 759 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 2: been on the heels for a long, long, long time. 760 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 2: Seventeenth century hels uh huh, men were wearing. 761 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 4: Makeup, right, men were having further and the heads, you know, 762 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 4: jol Mira, who was the biggest general during Napotian period, 763 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 4: was full of further wearing his head draped into you know, fur. 764 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 4: So it was this thing, and then you know, it's 765 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 4: this kind of bourgeois establishment when kind of reduced a 766 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 4: lot of possibility for men. Right, So, now that it's back, 767 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 4: it's a great thing. 768 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 2: I think so too. It's a great thing. I'll embrace it. 769 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 2: I cannot myself where Yes, it kills my back. 770 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it kills my I love a heel and I 771 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: love your heels, like, yeah, I am at an age 772 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,760 Speaker 1: where it's coming like that. Your shoes they're very sexual. 773 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot and do you think your early years 774 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: since you brought that into like your ability to sort 775 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: of have come into your sexuality early has helped. Like, 776 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: your shoes are very not just sexy, but like sex. 777 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to say. 778 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 2: Where yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. First, it depends on 779 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 2: the shoe, because I've been doing a lot. 780 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 4: Of flat, flat shoes, flats, and that's. 781 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 2: It can be. After said you know it again, it 782 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 2: depends on people front. 783 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 4: And one of the sexiest women ever now I don't 784 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 4: know if people remember, but it was Bridget Bardle, Bridge Badle. 785 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 4: If you think of budget Budle, it's a waste. And 786 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 4: then flat ballerina right and very very low cleavage ballerinas, 787 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 4: so not even Hills, and she is really the epitome 788 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 4: of sexy in the sixties. So everyone can bring sexiness 789 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 4: from their. 790 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 2: Own behavior and their own body language. 791 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 4: But it's true that he is to me brings and 792 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 4: I love flat, I love boots, I love everything. 793 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't like clubs. 794 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 1: That's really no clogs. 795 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 2: Can I tell you why? 796 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, because clubs there is this When I hear someone coming, 797 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 4: you know, I buy the sound and I'm able to 798 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 4: tell you, Okay, it's a girl on the mule. 799 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 2: It's someone in the pump, it's someone with a platform. 800 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 4: But I still think it's a guy, or it's a woman, 801 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 4: but it's a human beinness. 802 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 2: When I hear I think, okay, here comes a donkey. 803 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 4: You know, the noise of the cloud reminds me of 804 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 4: animal work. I never can approach a human when I 805 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 4: hear the sound of a c So it's not even 806 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 4: about the study. It's about the sounds. The music is 807 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 4: important to me. So sound is important. 808 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 2: You know. When I hear that, I'm hearing flemented. 809 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 4: You know, there is so many sounds attached to music 810 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 4: by I mean Beyonce, the sound, you know whatever you 811 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 4: know it sounds comes with music, clothes comes with farming. 812 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 2: You know. 813 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: One of the things the takeaway is as an artist, 814 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: as a designer, so many influences come into you Christ 815 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: which is influence your design, which is you know, music 816 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: and art and prois and you know, the beauty of 817 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: life right to be you and to have influence and people, 818 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: and like that you said it perfectly. When the TSA 819 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,439 Speaker 1: agent yells, oh my god, you know you've made it, man, 820 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: you know you've made it. 821 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 2: I was very happy. I was almost ready to be 822 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 2: very fair. I had to bring them back. That was 823 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 2: for customers, would. 824 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: Chest and thank you for joining us today on Table 825 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,720 Speaker 1: for two. If you've listened, I hope you have enjoyed 826 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: this as much as I have. 827 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 2: Decided was delicious. 828 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish. I am for teach me something that 829 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: I should know how to say. 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