Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 2: Done done hoo doy who I've never said that. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but it's that's messed up. An SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I am Lisa and I am Kara, and welcome to
Speaker 1: our podcast where we talk about episodes of Law and
Speaker 1: Order SVU the true crimes they're based on. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: interview guests from the show and up top we just
Speaker 1: chit chat about what's going on.
Speaker 2: And boy we are how is evacuating your family during
Speaker 2: a giant fire that's still not apprehended.
Speaker 1: We're two weeks into this fucking year, and like we
Speaker 1: don't even have Trump yet, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't even know if I'm prepared.
Speaker 2: I know, I watched the defense guy be like examined
Speaker 2: by the Democrat like by the Congress or whatever, and
Speaker 2: they he doesn't know anything. He doesn't know any alliance,
Speaker 2: he doesn't know the words Like I don't know them.
Speaker 2: I can't repeat them. But like I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: be the director of of defense. I like, he doesn't
Speaker 2: know anything, Like how is this allowed? And why are
Speaker 2: the Republicans on tape raping children? All of them? Like
Speaker 2: why not? One of them is like, I mean, we
Speaker 2: can't have this guy being charge, Like I don't, I
Speaker 2: just don't. They're like that one smart guy. I just
Speaker 2: don't understand. But like he's cheated.
Speaker 1: He's cheated on two wives and had a kid with
Speaker 1: one of them. Out of way, It's like, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Are you hearing about mel Robbins too? Do we have
Speaker 1: to cover her? Let them? You don't know about this?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She's this like psychologist, Like she might not have a degree.
Speaker 2: She's an inspirational speaker, but she's all over TikTok, right,
Speaker 2: Like she's like a tit she got. But she's someone
Speaker 2: that was like eight hundred thousand dollars in debt. Her
Speaker 2: life was a mess, she changed everything and now is
Speaker 2: like a millionaire podcaster, right, and she has these this
Speaker 2: she's just everywhere or maybe just in my algorithm. Okay,
Speaker 2: she's just like everywhere, her books everywhere. But I don't
Speaker 2: even know how it connected to anything. Oh she was
Speaker 2: just talking about like someone called in for advice on
Speaker 2: Chelsea Handler's podcast of like feeling hopeless and like everything
Speaker 2: being terrible and blah blah blah, and it was just
Speaker 2: kind of the thing that you're probably experiencing right now
Speaker 2: in La of like all the big stuff. Let that
Speaker 2: you can't change these people. You can't change what's happening
Speaker 2: in government, like the collapses, like things are out of control.
Speaker 2: And yes, we can be hopeless and it's fine if
Speaker 2: you are. Honestly, I'm not Mel Robbins. I don't give
Speaker 2: a shit. But it's like the community, the people are
Speaker 2: coming out. Yeah, like places are like we have enough donations.
Speaker 2: Like it's just like you're seeing actual community come together
Speaker 2: and help each other in small, manageable ways that you can.
Speaker 2: People's houses are burned down, they have nothing, like there's
Speaker 2: nothing we can actually do, but people are helping and
Speaker 2: I don't it just is wild. And then I'm sorry
Speaker 2: the someone in your leadership. It was like thinking target,
Speaker 2: like it's like I just hate everything in government and
Speaker 2: it's just she's not original saying it. I can't even
Speaker 2: you know, listen, I but it's just a small collective, yeah,
Speaker 2: people and seeing people come together and is the one
Speaker 2: the inspiring thing we can have before the you know,
Speaker 2: insurance companies buy. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 2: it's been unfortunately inspiring in ways that might make you
Speaker 2: feel less hopeless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but thank you for everybody who has has messaged
Speaker 1: me asking how my family is.
Speaker 3: We were we were okay.
Speaker 1: We're about ten miles nine miles from the closest fire,
Speaker 1: and our house was very smoke. Our power went out,
Speaker 1: so we did leave and go somewhere with better air,
Speaker 1: and then we moved to we went to Long Beach
Speaker 1: and then we moved south down to closer to like
Speaker 1: the San Diego area for a day. And then once
Speaker 1: our power was back on and I heard that the
Speaker 1: air was improving in La, we came back like we
Speaker 1: were gone for two days and it's just been scary
Speaker 1: and it's just been sad, Like I just know a
Speaker 1: lot of people that have lost their homes. But we
Speaker 1: are doing okay, And like you were just saying, it's
Speaker 1: been so inspiring, so amazing to see everybody mobilizing, like
Speaker 1: everyone's doing stuff to help. Like honestly, I have two
Speaker 1: bags of clothes like sitting marked with everything that's in them,
Speaker 1: what size they are sitting on my coffee table because
Speaker 1: like everybody has too much right now, like a lot
Speaker 1: of not in terms of cash, everybody can use more cash,
Speaker 1: but in terms of like goods, people like I've been
Speaker 1: given so much and everybody I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people that have been displaced feel like in terms of
Speaker 1: goods donations, they feel like pretty taken care of. But
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna shout out some gofundmes at the
Speaker 1: end of.
Speaker 2: The money for sure. Money is all so like the
Speaker 2: labor of at all, Like people have to sort through
Speaker 2: everything and organize it. And so of course you wrote
Speaker 2: on the bag, what's up, Like that's incredible.
Speaker 1: But like one of my mom groups, like two of
Speaker 1: my mom groups joined forces and created a store that
Speaker 1: was up and running in like three days of all
Speaker 1: like really nice clothes for women and kids and men
Speaker 1: for anyone, for people, clothes for adults, like toys, toiletries,
Speaker 1: all kinds of shit that you could just go shopping
Speaker 1: at this store. So instead of people just like bringing
Speaker 1: you shit that you're like, cool, this isn't really my style,
Speaker 1: or like what am I going to do with this
Speaker 1: that doesn't fit?
Speaker 2: That's what we did. The synagogue had like just clothes
Speaker 2: and you could go and fix that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they had that mobilized up and running for
Speaker 1: like in two days, and like it's going, it's going
Speaker 1: all week in.
Speaker 2: La one video and it started and I was like
Speaker 2: about to be mad that it was like sill, like
Speaker 2: I didn't get it at first, but it was a
Speaker 2: guy being like, I'm going to donate all my squish
Speaker 2: mollows and he went to a store our JUnit and
Speaker 2: it was like boxes and boxes and boxes, and I
Speaker 2: was like what And then you see the kids jumping
Speaker 2: in and picking out their toys and hugging the squish
Speaker 2: mallows and then I'm like the kids lost everything. They
Speaker 2: don't have schools, And then I lost it, but like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like a toy, Like yeah, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I dropped off a bunch of school
Speaker 1: supplies at a school at a drive yesterday. Like I
Speaker 1: think it's just trying to get things like but everybody
Speaker 1: really feels like they're helping, except for the people that
Speaker 1: are on the internet spouting misinformation and conspiracies about why
Speaker 1: La deserves this or whatever. So appreciate it's not even
Speaker 1: to give them time honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3: I appreciate everybody's well, you know what.
Speaker 2: I also told our friends like I was, I was,
Speaker 2: you know, I was texting a little bit, but that
Speaker 2: the kids were at like a trampoline park. I don't know.
Speaker 2: And so I was like, that's so funny because to
Speaker 2: the kids, this is gonna be one of the best
Speaker 2: weekends of their lives and they have no idea. Well,
Speaker 2: obviously there's gonna be trauma. But it just reminded me
Speaker 2: because in like O nine or twenty ten, there was
Speaker 2: a horrific blizzard in Chicago and like people froze to
Speaker 2: death on shore drive in their cars, like there was devastation.
Speaker 2: It changed the way like snow days were administered from
Speaker 2: then on, like in terms of like, well it's not
Speaker 2: risk it. But our friends at the best party ever
Speaker 2: and we got hammered, and I had a big sleep
Speaker 2: over at my house and we watched movies all like
Speaker 2: the blizzard that devastated and people died, not comparable to
Speaker 2: the fires at all, but like just such a good memory.
Speaker 2: And with the kids, it's like they're just gonna remember Sandy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they were so excited to just be at this, like
Speaker 2: we stayed at like you know, the equivalent of like
Speaker 2: a residence inn where like you know, you have like
Speaker 2: a room and a living room and like so that
Speaker 2: we can like maybe not be with our kids twenty
Speaker 2: four or seven, and like they were like all got friends.
Speaker 2: The video the dads were jumping. I got a video
Speaker 2: of the dance. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Everyone was like
Speaker 2: all of our friends are at this hotel. Like so
Speaker 2: in the morning, they'd be like, can we go have
Speaker 2: breakfast with all of our friends.
Speaker 1: I mean they were like having They love hotels. They
Speaker 1: like they yeah, they felt like they were on vacation.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I've been talking to
Speaker 1: a lot of parents that are like, what are you
Speaker 1: telling your kids? Like I'm just like I had a
Speaker 1: friend text me and go, we've just been telling our
Speaker 1: friends our kids that this is a windstorm. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, everybody do your own thing to each
Speaker 1: their own. Of course, you know your kid better than
Speaker 1: anyone else. But like I tell my kids, I'm very
Speaker 1: honest with them, Like I told them everything. I was like,
Speaker 1: there are these big fires, some people have lost everything.
Speaker 1: You're very lucky, you know, Like I'm telling them everything
Speaker 1: and then people are like, we just told them that
Speaker 1: we had.
Speaker 2: A power outage. Is that weird? And I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: They're gonna hear stuff at school, and I think you'd
Speaker 1: rather hear it from your parents in like a thoughtful
Speaker 1: conversation than like I'm not showing them charred remains, but
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, like I'm telling them
Speaker 1: what's going on.
Speaker 2: This could be you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm trying to get them to donate some
Speaker 1: of their stuffies, which has been difficult, but we did
Speaker 1: get rid of a few Paw Patrol stuffies for a
Speaker 1: family that had a Paw Patrol fan.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's been like, Okay, there's been comics who have lost
Speaker 2: their homes and I understand, like I do get the
Speaker 2: sentiment of kill the rich. Obviously, you know Luis g Fan.
Speaker 2: He's innocent though, but alleged. But like Billy Crystal, losing
Speaker 2: his house is not the establishment, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like Billy Crystal will be okay, but I'm sure he
Speaker 2: has better memories than you do and he deserves to
Speaker 2: have them, like he hosted the Oscars. I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: envelopes but like we can still feel sad for you know,
Speaker 2: Mandy Moore losing her house even though she's on a
Speaker 2: TV show like the I don't it's not just.
Speaker 1: Anymore GoFundMe for her in laws and people went after her.
Speaker 1: And it's like, do you think Mandy Moore has the
Speaker 1: money to rebuild everybody's life in her entire family? Like
Speaker 1: her in laws needs some help, like she reposted their GoFundMe,
Speaker 1: Like everybody is going, I don't know. Everybody feels out
Speaker 1: of control at times like this, I think, And and
Speaker 1: they want to like be like they want to like
Speaker 1: exercise control by telling everybody like how they need to
Speaker 1: be doing this and that and spending on on on
Speaker 1: and publicizing one and and whatnot. And it's like it's
Speaker 1: everybody needs to just take a step back and look
Speaker 1: for how you can help. But we don't have to
Speaker 1: dwell what else has been going on?
Speaker 2: You don't have to dwell? Okay, I will, I'll just
Speaker 2: I guess switch quickly. I was doing a show well
Speaker 2: still with the Fires. I was doing a show at
Speaker 2: Union Hall, one of my favorite places to perform, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a show in tel February seventh BT
Speaker 2: Dubs and when does this come out? My special is
Speaker 2: on Netflix or coming out night Owl? I am desperate
Speaker 2: get over it, so.
Speaker 1: Please A special night Owl on Netflix comes out in
Speaker 1: one week from today. If you have not gone to
Speaker 1: your TV and set the remind me whatever button it is,
Speaker 1: just go to your Netflix now and go be boop
Speaker 1: remind me. That way, it will just pop up on
Speaker 1: your Netflix. You don't even have to think about it
Speaker 1: on the twenty eighth, because yes, thank you are getting here.
Speaker 2: We're worry we gotta get this baby in the top ten.
Speaker 2: I'm also so nervous. I'm trying to like be on
Speaker 2: all everyone's podcasts. I'm messaging every friend I have that's successful,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, do I have this many things to
Speaker 2: talk about? I do? But it is like Jesus Christ,
Speaker 2: people are gonna be sick of my ass. But so
Speaker 2: Gavin Mattz put together a show to give money to
Speaker 2: fire stuff, like I said, yes, of course, I show up,
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of like, I don't know, I feel
Speaker 2: like I should be killing harder. I'm a little annoyed,
Speaker 2: but I'm having fun, you know. I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is a nightmare. I go well, obviously in California it's worse,
Speaker 2: you know, like trying to be charming, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Two people had seizures in the back
Speaker 2: of the showroom and two comedians were whole Emil Waqim
Speaker 2: Ricky Vellez holding up a woman seizing and then Ricky's
Speaker 2: like I kept being like sh because I was like,
Speaker 2: no one was telling me. They were taken out of
Speaker 2: the back of the room. Yeah, a one woman's ease
Speaker 2: and foul and then another and like chances that's not
Speaker 2: a massive venue, Like what are the alls of two people?
Speaker 2: And I'm up there being like what that was a
Speaker 2: good one? Guys, what's going on? You guys are giving
Speaker 2: me nothing. I think people are watching women's seas in
Speaker 2: the back. But I'm like, I guess it's good they
Speaker 2: hit it for me. But I went back behind that
Speaker 2: current and everyone was like, you will not believe what's
Speaker 2: been going on. Because I also felt like I was
Speaker 2: on stage longer, like usually they're really tight on time there,
Speaker 2: like yeah, because I was like, am I going crazy?
Speaker 2: But I am a professional, like I know kind of
Speaker 2: where I'm at, So I did feel like I was
Speaker 2: I knew it was more than ten minutes, so now
Speaker 2: it all makes sense. But I was up there for
Speaker 2: a while being like, all right, I guess they want
Speaker 2: me here longer, you know, like because I knew the
Speaker 2: next comic was there. So yeah, it' all like kind.
Speaker 3: Of wow and both during your set. Yes, it's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I hope they're okay. Yeah for your donation
Speaker 2: to the victims of the fire. And I hope you
Speaker 2: could afford your ambulance ride. Yeah, yeah, I guess maybe
Speaker 2: we should figure out how to reach I've been kind
Speaker 2: of making light of the situation, but yeah, two people
Speaker 2: did have seizures.
Speaker 3: If you know the people that have the seizures, please
Speaker 3: let us know that they're own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me know. I don't mean to make light
Speaker 2: of it. It is just like a why you know,
Speaker 2: a story. It's a story. I tell stories. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 2: this is a brag, so I well, I guess I'll
Speaker 2: do a Luigi update. A Luigi update. The trial date
Speaker 2: has been moved from January eighteenth to like February seventeenth,
Speaker 2: because the defense, Yeah, the defense actually needs more time.
Speaker 2: I was reading an article in a Baltimore paper where
Speaker 2: am I the Baltimore Sun. I'm sure I'm a fucking
Speaker 2: subscriber and that's why I can read it. Okay, I can't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I gotta check in with the business manager be like
Speaker 2: how many papers am I subscriber?
Speaker 3: We need rocket money on the case here.
Speaker 2: But it's actually good for the defense because they need
Speaker 2: more time to build the case. And the Pennsylvania date
Speaker 2: has been like stopped because basically you go to court
Speaker 2: to like plead not guilty and guilty, but you can
Speaker 2: do it not in court by being like, we understand
Speaker 2: the charges and this is how we plead. Okay. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so February seventeenth it's been moved, which is good because
Speaker 2: I have a busy Saturday because I was gonna go,
Speaker 2: but I do have a lot.
Speaker 1: Of seventeenth of February. That's gonna be a Monday. But
Speaker 1: that's gonna be like the start of the real trial.
Speaker 1: That's not like the grandeur.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, it's still not This is gonna take
Speaker 2: a long time. It's gonna be I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's good. I don't know exactly, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: I was just wondering might not appear in federal court
Speaker 2: till mid February. It's the one of the defense attorneys says,
Speaker 2: this is standard operating procedure and and they said this
Speaker 2: is good, like they need more time. It benefits the defense.
Speaker 2: The longer the case drags, it puts more pressure on
Speaker 2: the state to try and get a verdict. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and it says he comes from one of the wealthiest
Speaker 2: families in Baltimore. Yeah. So honestly, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: read you guys, like any paper that uses the photo
Speaker 2: of him screaming. I'm like, I don't, I'm not using it.
Speaker 2: But oh, can I tell say one thing that I please?
Speaker 1: Speaking of court, So, Jeredika watched this movie the other
Speaker 1: day with Nicholas Holt that's out now. It's on Max
Speaker 1: and it's called jur Number two. Okay, okay. Clint Eastwood
Speaker 1: directed it was he truly looks like the crypt keeper.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even rude. It's just the side by side.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, And like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: that's so funny because when I was watching the movie,
Speaker 1: the main wife in the movie, her name is Zoey Deutsch,
Speaker 1: and I was like, who is Zoey Deutsch? Like how
Speaker 1: do I know HER's daughter, Leah Thompson's daughter, and her
Speaker 1: husband is a TV director who directed a movie director
Speaker 1: and a TV director, and he's directed Tales from the Crypt. Wow,
Speaker 1: he's just Wow. That's like a fucking IMDb backflip. I
Speaker 1: just did and I was insane. So but he directed
Speaker 1: some kind of wonderful which is how he met Leah Thompson.
Speaker 1: And then they had Zoey Deutsch and she's in this movie.
Speaker 1: So this movie, I mean, fast forward if you don't
Speaker 1: want spoilers, but like it's literally if you just watch SVU,
Speaker 1: you're like, this movie doesn't make any sense based on forensics.
Speaker 1: Like the premise of this movie, Like essentially the premise
Speaker 1: of the movie is that a guy gets on a
Speaker 1: jury and then realizes he may have committed the crime.
Speaker 1: He committed the crime that is on on the thing
Speaker 1: for but it's like the way they have her accused
Speaker 1: being murdered is not the way he murdered her. And
Speaker 1: it's like forensics would tell you that, and so the
Speaker 1: whole thing makes no sense. It's like shot in a
Speaker 1: way that looks like very lifetime to me, Like and
Speaker 1: you go on the Rotten Tomatoes and it's got like
Speaker 1: a ninety one percent, and I'm like, I just can't
Speaker 1: believe so many people like this movie. It's based, it's
Speaker 1: well acted. Oh Tony Collette is the fucking prosecutor. The
Speaker 1: guy from Mindy Project who's oh my god, movie Grit
Speaker 1: has a new game, Casey. Have you played it? It's
Speaker 1: called Movie Snake. It is the best thing ever.
Speaker 2: It is so good that I play it on my
Speaker 2: Google Chrome, then play it on my phone to try
Speaker 2: to get better, and then I play it on both Safaris,
Speaker 2: like I keep just trying to get a better and
Speaker 2: better and better score because it's so fucking fun. It's
Speaker 2: basically one actor, So let's say it's Julia Roberts and
Speaker 2: then it's a snake. You don't see the next category,
Speaker 2: and you can't the first time I play, I try
Speaker 2: not to like skip forward to like see what works best,
Speaker 2: Like I try to just play it naked, but it'll
Speaker 2: say like a category and you keep going through the
Speaker 2: snake of categories. And obviously it just was really fun
Speaker 2: because it's the actors you really know, Like you know
Speaker 2: Matt Damon's catalog, you know Tom Cruise's catalog. Okay, you
Speaker 2: can really have fun picking and choosing. So shout out
Speaker 2: to the movie group people for I'm more new games.
Speaker 2: You just keep coming at me. And I can't wait
Speaker 2: for Reese Witherspoon because I just watched Little Nikki last
Speaker 2: night and she's in that. She plays an angel and
Speaker 2: I'm about to get an incredible score.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I wonder if they're sick of me
Speaker 3: dming them.
Speaker 2: Were you like, I love movie snake. I just googled
Speaker 2: my streak, by the way, and I did not get
Speaker 2: the I did not get the result.
Speaker 3: That I wanted.
Speaker 1: Uh, but like a penis No, it was just a
Speaker 1: lot of huge snakes from movies like Anaconda or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know that I don't want to see an a
Speaker 1: Conda in the theater. Oh, Jennifer Lopez Yeah, and John Volloy. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I would just say if you're like, if you're even
Speaker 1: a freshman at sv University, like you do not need
Speaker 1: to watch your number two? It's like whatever, but what
Speaker 1: else is going on? That was my review my movie corner.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm I'm gonna watch the Dana Mora Escape
Speaker 2: Show because Melanie, who is in charge of Simpsons Trivia,
Speaker 2: told me it is good and her her boyfriend did
Speaker 2: lighting for it, so I like being connected. I like, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: but that's exciting. I also did go back to Simpsons Trivia,
Speaker 2: and I had the time of my life just playing,
Speaker 2: just playing. Oh yeah, I said, you guys were going
Speaker 2: and we had a great time. And I hope, I mean,
Speaker 2: I hope. I'm like so busy when my special comes
Speaker 2: out and popular. But also I do hope I'm free
Speaker 2: that night so I can go to Simpsons Trivia because
Speaker 2: I did have so much fun and we did better
Speaker 2: than I thought. But I also am an idiot. It's
Speaker 2: crazy because one of the cattle, like one of the
Speaker 2: themes was Snow, and I watched every Snow episode. Then
Speaker 2: while I was getting ready for that for that night,
Speaker 2: I watched a bunch of them again. Took notes. Two
Speaker 2: of the questions about an episode I watched before I
Speaker 2: left the house had no recollection.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like, you were overloaded.
Speaker 2: I was like, because I was like, oh, I know
Speaker 2: this answer, and then they're like, but how did he
Speaker 2: break his COCKSIX? And I go, I don't know, Like
Speaker 2: it was just so annoying, but I had just watched it,
Speaker 2: so annoyed. Oh my god, I am talking about bad movie.
Speaker 2: But I do love Nicholas Holt. I do really, I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of his.
Speaker 1: I loved the I like him. It was that foodie
Speaker 1: one that I loved, the menu y. I love that, Like,
Speaker 1: I think he's very talented. I just and he's He's
Speaker 1: good in the movie. The acting is not the problem.
Speaker 1: It's just experts. It's also got the MINDI Project guy,
Speaker 1: the guy that was like her love interest in the
Speaker 1: MINDI part.
Speaker 2: I love you know, Hannah, I have Christmasina.
Speaker 1: And he's cute too, Like it's star studded, and you're
Speaker 1: just like, why isn't it good? Why is it based
Speaker 1: on something that like could not be real? Like later
Speaker 1: they try to say, oh, well, the guy who did
Speaker 1: the autopsy did for autopsies that day. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of autopsies. And I'm like, but you're gonna maybe put
Speaker 1: this guy away for like, like you'd redo the autopsy,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. No one is like it's and
Speaker 1: then the in the movie, the prosecutor starts to investigate,
Speaker 1: and that's when you're like, they don't do that.
Speaker 3: The prosecutors only care about winning.
Speaker 2: They do not they are not going out to see
Speaker 2: if maybe they were wrong, Like that's not happening. Oh no, no,
Speaker 2: well I watched its terrible movie, so bad that I
Speaker 2: could not even finish, even in the background while I
Speaker 2: was doing other things. It was that bad. But star
Speaker 2: studded so it's so weird, and I think the reason
Speaker 2: it got me, not that that's this podcast, is because
Speaker 2: this guy made She's all that and the guy just
Speaker 2: bought the script. Get over it.
Speaker 3: Get over it sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: So bad, But listen to this cast. Kirsten Dunce, Ben Foster, Cisco,
Speaker 2: Shane West, Colin Hank, Zoey's Sildana, Mila Kunis, Swoo Scerts,
Speaker 2: Ed Bagley, Junior, Martin Short, Carmen, Electra Coolio like and
Speaker 2: this guy, Dove Tiffenbach, who is from SVU episodes That's
Speaker 2: why I know him and from a Harriet the Spy.
Speaker 1: But he's you know it truly is. Oh wait, Melissa
Speaker 1: Sage Miller is in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I because I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: She's one of the forgettable das from SVU. She took
Speaker 2: the strawberry.
Speaker 3: Blond that you're like, who the fuck is this like.
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me? Oh my god, you have
Speaker 2: to cut this as a clip. Casey, the fact that
Speaker 2: I fucking you're like, I swoop because I didn't get you.
Speaker 3: She's Jillian Hardwick.
Speaker 2: She is third in the IMDb photos and I skipped
Speaker 2: her because I go, well, that's an unknown who didn't
Speaker 2: go anywhere. And she is in the show that we
Speaker 2: do a podcast about. Are you fucking kidding? And we
Speaker 2: call her the forgettable da she is forgettable. That is
Speaker 2: why you don't have a career, bitch. Sorry, yeah, Ada,
Speaker 2: Jillian Hardway. Oh my god, Oh my god, this is
Speaker 2: the best moment of my life. Like this is electric.
Speaker 2: Eleven episodes of SVU skipped over even saying her name.
Speaker 2: She's redacted in your mind. Oh my god, this is
Speaker 2: like the best moment of my life. Oh how she
Speaker 2: was a mister Woodcock. That's funny. Oh that's a good
Speaker 2: one for Billy Bob Thornton if.
Speaker 1: He ever comes on movie grid is that Susans is
Speaker 1: mister wood No, that's a different movie.
Speaker 2: Never mind. Okay, but what I did want to say,
Speaker 2: and it does have to do with our podcast, kind
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, So I went to the first, it's
Speaker 2: a brag. So I went to the Met an artist
Speaker 2: that I owned three pece from him, and then he's
Speaker 2: gifted me one piece as well. He was at the
Speaker 2: he was in a Met, he was in an exhibit
Speaker 2: at the Met, Damians Damian Davis. So we and it,
Speaker 2: you know, So we did a pilgrimage to the Met
Speaker 2: on a Sunday, on a.
Speaker 3: Sunday upper eating, I mean side on a Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just saying, like that's commitment. That means you
Speaker 2: really want to see someone because it is packed.
Speaker 3: Ye, not the way I love to do things.
Speaker 2: But the exhibits till February seventeenth, it's Flight into Egypt,
Speaker 2: Black Artists in Ancient Egypt eighteen seventy six to now.
Speaker 2: And what it's cool is they had like a TV
Speaker 2: situation playing an old sketch of Richard from the Richard
Speaker 2: Pryor Show, which I don't even know was a show,
Speaker 2: and it's like it seems very Chappelle show, Key and Peel,
Speaker 2: like what a lineage, But it.
Speaker 3: Was a sketch about like.
Speaker 2: How they like find a tomb and realize that the
Speaker 2: civilization started with black people, so the white people. One
Speaker 2: of which is Robin Williams, close him in a tomb
Speaker 2: and burn everything to hide it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, that's cool.
Speaker 2: And what was cool was like Damien's piece was in
Speaker 2: the same room as like next to a Kara walker
Speaker 2: and in the same room as a Basquiacht, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's so and obviously like probably other very well known
Speaker 2: artists that I just don't know, but like yeah, and
Speaker 2: then I heard two women walking towards the Damien's piece
Speaker 2: going oh, I want that, like pointed him and then
Speaker 2: like read about. I mean, it was like I can't
Speaker 2: believe I know someone with a piece at them in
Speaker 2: the met Like I just can't awesome, that's cool. I
Speaker 2: truly can't believe it. And then on the way there
Speaker 2: I couldn't even believe my luck I found an exhibit
Speaker 2: that was I So we're walking past the modern photography.
Speaker 2: I mean, this place is huge, so like you have
Speaker 2: to walk across the thing Jesse Crimes corrections and it's
Speaker 2: a whole room of our made by this guy, Jesse Crimes,
Speaker 2: who was incarcerated for five years, and it's basically the
Speaker 2: art he made on the inside with decks of cards, soap,
Speaker 2: newspaper clippings and photos and pebbles from the yard and straying,
Speaker 2: and it's like his whole thing was they can take
Speaker 2: everything from you, but not your.
Speaker 3: Ability to create.
Speaker 2: Wow. And but the art was just okay, yeah, like
Speaker 2: you know, limited resource considering the materials.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, limited resources.
Speaker 2: But it was also like the power of photography and
Speaker 2: like just different photos of like peoples, mugshots and collages
Speaker 2: with like famous people and newspapers. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just like couldn't believe. I found like a prison art
Speaker 2: show on my on the way and I did write
Speaker 2: to Luigi to let him know about the exhibit.
Speaker 1: How are you communicating with Luigi snail mail or is
Speaker 1: there any Yeah, I'm writing No, No, I'm writing cards,
Speaker 1: like okay, I'm writing.
Speaker 2: I've written to a few of I only have one
Speaker 2: friend that's been supportive, and everyone else is like pretty
Speaker 2: upset by my choices. One friend said, I will pray
Speaker 2: for you. One shook their head. No. But I just
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it, and that's awesome. It was just cool,
Speaker 2: a beautiful day at the met And I also just felt,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like terrible to say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: you're in the fires of la But I just can't
Speaker 2: believe I live a train ride away from the met Like.
Speaker 3: It is Yeah, that's that is cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like to be an art It's like yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's how I felt in Chicago, like I love
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the Art Institute. But and it's
Speaker 2: so funny because I saw a painting and I go, wait,
Speaker 2: that's in Chicago. This George Sarah is not fucking hero
Speaker 2: what the fuck? And it was one of his like
Speaker 2: like getting ready ones. It was like a study. It
Speaker 2: was like one of the prequels to the Final and
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I'm like so smart. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: last year the Art Institude in.
Speaker 3: Chicago is amazing, Like I love that museum.
Speaker 2: No, it was just a very special day and also
Speaker 2: connected with what we do and what we're interested in.
Speaker 2: So it was like that's cool. Anyway, any business, before
Speaker 2: we wrap up, We've got night Owl on Netflix coming
Speaker 2: out in one week from today. The time I had
Speaker 2: like a really fun experience with my sales associate at
Speaker 2: T Mobile, but I think since we're at thirty minutes,
Speaker 2: we could save that for a different day. The one
Speaker 2: little funny thing I'll say about it and then this
Speaker 2: will be a to be continued for next intro. But
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not good with technology. It panics me.
Speaker 2: I'm just like it's it's a trigger for me. So
Speaker 2: I'm like stressed. I have to get this upgrade. But
Speaker 2: my sister got this great deal. I gotta go get
Speaker 2: a new phone. And I'm like panicked and something glitch
Speaker 2: like while it's sharing information, I'm like, what's the mirroring?
Speaker 2: Like is all my photos the files? And I'm like
Speaker 2: flipping out. He goes, No, I understand. The iPhone twelve
Speaker 2: merge was a wild time. A lot of people lost
Speaker 2: a lot. He goes. I get a lot of people
Speaker 2: your age, real stressed. But things are different now, That's
Speaker 2: what he said to me. Things are different now, he goes.
Speaker 2: He goes, I get a lot of people like you,
Speaker 2: stressed out, but like all of your photo everything will transfer.
Speaker 2: Do not worry.
Speaker 1: He's okay, okay, babe, Everything's gonna be okay, all right
Speaker 1: before we leave though. Also, Lisa has a ton of
Speaker 1: tour dates. You can go to the link in her
Speaker 1: Instagram bio for those or you know that's messed up.
Speaker 1: Live dot Com has like all of our Instagram bios
Speaker 1: that lead to calendars and stuff like that. And then
Speaker 1: we are going to be doing a live show in
Speaker 1: DC on following Lisa doing a weekend there, so go
Speaker 1: see Lisa do stand up. And then we're doing a
Speaker 1: show on February twenty third, so go grab tickets to that.
Speaker 1: We love coming to d C. And yeah, it's going
Speaker 1: to be at the Improv again. We always do a
Speaker 1: different episode, so if you've come before, come again, and yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get started.
Speaker 2: Baggage Season ten, episode eighteen. I'm really excited. This also
Speaker 2: reminds me there's a show called Baggage and it was
Speaker 2: referenced and I think season one of Girls. You know
Speaker 2: you have like big baggage, medium baggage, little baggage. Have
Speaker 2: you heard of this?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: So in Chicago, I had a friend and every New
Speaker 2: Year's Day we would get together and watch Baggage. And
Speaker 2: it was a game show hosted by Jerry Springer and
Speaker 2: basically it's like a dating show and a man or
Speaker 2: woman and then there's like three people, three contestants, and
Speaker 2: they have a giant suitcase and they reveal your like
Speaker 2: big baggage.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm remembering this and then you.
Speaker 2: Pick which one you can't deal with, and then one
Speaker 2: gets eliminated, and then it's like medium baggage, and then
Speaker 2: you have to pick someone before you find out what
Speaker 2: the small bag, like what the biggest baggage is or
Speaker 2: the you know, the like, yeah, the most fucked up
Speaker 2: and then you like decide are you going to date
Speaker 2: that person or not? But it's it's unhinged. Oh guess what.
Speaker 2: You can watch it now and then watch it on
Speaker 2: Pluto TV on all these new fast channels they're letting
Speaker 2: you watch baggage.
Speaker 1: I totally remember this now that you're bringing it up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's coming back to me, like.
Speaker 2: And I remember. I feel like I remember Shoshana's baggage,
Speaker 2: like her most crazy one was that she didn't doesn't
Speaker 2: love her grandmother, and then one was that she was
Speaker 2: a virgin, and then I don't remember what the other
Speaker 2: one was.
Speaker 3: Wow, I what do you remember?
Speaker 1: What they ever were on the on the Springer Show, Like,
Speaker 1: were there ever any like crazy ones? Like I feel
Speaker 1: like there was one that a guy was like I
Speaker 1: was in Joe for Murder. Never mind, but maybe I'm
Speaker 1: making that up.
Speaker 2: That would be in I remember any of them, but
Speaker 2: we yeah, we would eat I think wings Stop and
Speaker 2: pizza and it was just it was I think we
Speaker 2: only did it like two years in a row, but
Speaker 2: it was nice. But this is not that. This is terrible.
Speaker 2: This is terrible and obviously unlocked a huge fear. I
Speaker 2: am traveling and this is something that will like, did
Speaker 2: I already give something away? Listen, I don't care. This
Speaker 2: is the most horrifying episode. So we're in a sexy
Speaker 2: old time warehouse elevator and it's the type of elevator
Speaker 2: that would be in a nineties movie about a woman
Speaker 2: cheating on her husband with like a sexy art guy,
Speaker 2: and obviously something goes wrong and like the Diane Lane
Speaker 2: movie Unfaithful, yeah, perfect murder. Like there's always just like
Speaker 2: an old timey sexual elevator because the guy always.
Speaker 1: Lives in like a massive yeah loft that he's like
Speaker 1: and you have to like crank the elevator yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually just recently went to a bar where
Speaker 2: they behind the bar they were cranking with the rope
Speaker 2: the food from the kitchen. It was like a circular
Speaker 2: police system. Yeah, I mean I felt like I was
Speaker 2: on a pirate ship. Yeah, I got a lie. Wow, okay,
Speaker 2: so cool. So yeah there and we hear chatting and
Speaker 2: it's between a young woman explaining art to a white
Speaker 2: haired man who is pawing at her, grabbing her. She's
Speaker 2: pushing them away, but she still tries to like talk
Speaker 2: about art. Every piece is unique. He's now fully in
Speaker 2: a rate mode. He's trying to get her. She's like screaming,
Speaker 2: and then she goes, Casey, Hi, I've brought someone to
Speaker 2: see your ceramics, and then oh god, Casey is dead.
Speaker 2: And not only is she did she is naked, eyes open,
Speaker 2: bruised up, tied up in like a BDSM style, tyings
Speaker 2: marks on wrist ankles. She has red hair. It's very scary,
Speaker 2: and the cameras start, you know, flashing. It's Judah Ciper,
Speaker 2: friend of the pod, and she's the lead on the
Speaker 2: science side the scene, and this apartment has a lot
Speaker 2: of plans, like full jungle vibes. She was really ahead
Speaker 2: of her time. And then Finn and Stabler arrive at
Speaker 2: the scene and she gives them the lowdown. This is
Speaker 2: Casey Chapman. She's twenty eight. Did you think about Tracy
Speaker 2: Chapman when you saw that name? No, that's I should
Speaker 2: have though. That's how it's scy that they did.
Speaker 1: Casey Chapman is pretty funny, Like, I mean, I'm going
Speaker 1: to Tracy Chapman fan my whole life.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I miss that. I never cared. It's fine. It's just
Speaker 2: like word associations, you know. Yeah. So she's twenty eight
Speaker 2: and she's an up and coming ceramics artist, so I'm
Speaker 2: sure she has wealthy parents as well. There's no sign
Speaker 2: of forced entry, so Finn, you know, it's like he
Speaker 2: you know, conned his way in obviously, but there is
Speaker 2: a window open, and Stabler is like, this is fucked.
Speaker 2: He goes tortured, hog tiede and posed for shock value.
Speaker 2: This is not the first vict And then we find
Speaker 2: out not the first victim, April Silva. The same thing
Speaker 2: happened to her three weeks ago. And they both have
Speaker 2: their lips glued shut as well. And then they see
Speaker 2: he you know, is learning he's leaving less behind, and god,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: There's it's really really graphic. It's really a lot.
Speaker 2: Basically there is her back is burned from hot water,
Speaker 2: so it's like scalding hot water, and Finn goes and
Speaker 2: he's just winding up, and Stabler goes, well, we need
Speaker 2: to shut him down, and we go into credits, of course,
Speaker 2: and we're in Melinda's house and there are you know
Speaker 2: what my dad asked me during I went to see
Speaker 2: them on New Year's And my dad goes, when did
Speaker 2: you like that? So Dad like or me, but he
Speaker 2: was like, why do you do this show about our podcast?
Speaker 2: He goes like why Cray like, why do you learn
Speaker 2: about this? And I go, Dad, I made you take
Speaker 2: me to a murder cereal like a cerealcular wax museum
Speaker 2: when I was a child, Remember I watched OZ and
Speaker 2: you would take me to the library and ed get
Speaker 2: like forensic Psychologists book. I'm like, none of this is
Speaker 2: ringing a bell that I've been doing this for ever,
Speaker 2: Like it's so crazy to me. That's so funny. He's like,
Speaker 2: and I'm a criminal justice. I'm like, I also majored
Speaker 2: in sociology, like the study of people and how like yeah,
Speaker 2: why they do things? Effect Yeah, like I I you know,
Speaker 2: maybe he's just older or doesn't remember, or it's just
Speaker 2: too much. But it was such a dad thing of
Speaker 2: like when just start doing this And I'm like you've
Speaker 2: been here for all of it for decades.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, like my parents will give me something canoeing related
Speaker 1: like every year, and I'm like, I was a canoeing
Speaker 1: counselor twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: I have other interests.
Speaker 2: They'll just think of.
Speaker 1: Remember one thing that you like and be like here
Speaker 1: it is forever like and then just ignore the other
Speaker 1: things that you've been clearly interested in.
Speaker 2: It was just so funny. I'm like, I just care
Speaker 2: about injustice and I don't know it's sick, but yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see. I just can't believe I'm going to about
Speaker 2: to be like a woman in the court stands. Okay,
Speaker 2: So we're in Melinda's house and the well because then
Speaker 2: you know, I'm only I'm so acab and my dad
Speaker 2: was like, why why are you so anti? And I
Speaker 2: go all right, let's go. So then it was just
Speaker 2: like every it was the ed Kemper police trials. It
Speaker 2: was like, what was the upstate New York one where
Speaker 2: I kept it scaping. We'll Colleen stand too, but like
Speaker 2: I just like kept going bad, like all these cases
Speaker 2: that we've covered, and I'm a pothead. So it was
Speaker 2: like the fact that I remembered as many as it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't make stuff up. My thing is like,
Speaker 2: why would you trust your children less than Russian television?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my parents trust me less than Fox News.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. Like, I don't understand why you
Speaker 2: wouldn't listen to your kids who you ran who? Like
Speaker 2: you paid for my college.
Speaker 1: I know, that's such a good point. It's like you
Speaker 1: created me.
Speaker 2: You don't have any faith in anything I have to
Speaker 2: say or my thoughts. Yeah, but anyways, back to this horror,
Speaker 2: back to the scalding backwood. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Woman, so we're talking about pubes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Melinda's house baby. She says, there's no
Speaker 2: foreign hairs or fibers on the body, but there were
Speaker 2: pubes in the carpet. Score, so running DNA Now she
Speaker 2: died from strangulation. Bummer. She died thirty four hours before
Speaker 2: she was found. She was also punched in the face.
Speaker 2: Like the first victim, the new one was not sexually assaulted,
Speaker 2: but her butthole was glued shut. Like what, Like, Kara,
Speaker 2: how much of this episode's in the true case? Not
Speaker 2: that's not in it? Okay, because who came up? Like
Speaker 2: I think the writer of this needs to be put
Speaker 2: on a watch. I don't trust this motherfucker. You're crazy
Speaker 2: gluing buttholes and that's not part of the real crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we already did the lips being glued shut,
Speaker 1: which I was like horrific, Like there's something just horrible
Speaker 1: about that. And then you're like, can we add something else?
Speaker 1: How can we up it? Glue their butthole shut as well? Yeap,
Speaker 1: let's glue the butthole shot. Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: My god? Okay, So anyways, it's just upsetting to think
Speaker 2: someone is going through something like that. So and then.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the butthole was glued shot postmortem. I just have
Speaker 1: to say that I'm hoping that that was a postmortem.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know the answer and Edma Linda
Speaker 2: goes it took an acetone levage to get the scope in.
Speaker 2: Should I have left that detail out? Like I don't know?
Speaker 2: Or should I let the audience know that she said that.
Speaker 2: I so levage is underline and I spelled it right
Speaker 2: from the episode. Levage is something that they invented. But
Speaker 2: I know exactly what she means. But oh god, Okay,
Speaker 2: So he's gluing a holes shut, he's torturing hot water.
Speaker 2: They better find the sicko and fast. Sailor is shocked
Speaker 2: that there's no rape, so that means probably his dicked
Speaker 2: in work, and that's what leads to like more rage.
Speaker 2: So like anytime he can't rape, there's more anger involved
Speaker 2: because his dick sucks. And then two women have nothing
Speaker 2: in common, like except they do live in Harlem, and
Speaker 2: then in walks in this guy, Victor Moran, Detective Rictor
Speaker 2: Moran for major crimes, and he lists sophomore parts of
Speaker 2: the city. Okay, he's just like blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and there are more and he has a flash drive
Speaker 2: and he's like, here's you know, the info hogtie all
Speaker 2: mouse glued shut like this is it? Two raped, but
Speaker 2: not all of them and the ones that not raped
Speaker 2: all have a butthole like this is like glued like
Speaker 2: this is a thing, a pattern, Victor Moran so and basically,
Speaker 2: you know, he has to debase these people, humiliate them,
Speaker 2: whether he rapes them or not. And he's being helpful informative,
Speaker 2: and Finn's like, well, why didn't you say anything sooner?
Speaker 2: And it's like, I don't know. He came in pretty helpful,
Speaker 2: but he goes, uh, well, sorry, it took me, like,
Speaker 2: you know, second to get it together. And then he
Speaker 2: goes because it's all different, like the first one used
Speaker 2: her own belt, second one scarves, third rope he brought,
Speaker 2: so there's always a turn. And then Stabler goes, well,
Speaker 2: when I looked all this up in the system, I
Speaker 2: didn't find it. Now we hate victim Ran. He goes,
Speaker 2: I blocked it. And then they go, oh, you're a
Speaker 2: glory hog. So he like blocked people being able to
Speaker 2: get information because he wanted to solve it. What the fuck? Yes?
Speaker 1: Bad, Yeah, it's bad and it it yeah, because why
Speaker 1: is that even an option? Why is there an option
Speaker 1: in the system that you can block information from other
Speaker 1: precincts finding it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he does know it's about them, but then
Speaker 2: it's like why clog And he goes, I've been working
Speaker 2: this for six months.
Speaker 3: I didn't want anybody in my way. Yeah okay, and he.
Speaker 2: Goes, you see every fifty five days now it's down
Speaker 2: to every nineteen. And Stadler's like, cool, now get lost.
Speaker 2: We got it from here and Major and he goes,
Speaker 2: Major Crime says it's mine, this is this is what
Speaker 2: we talked about last This is what we talk about.
Speaker 2: Why can't men be more like women? They're like, they're
Speaker 2: just always taught not to be feminine, and it's like,
Speaker 2: this would be a moment where I think women would go, oh,
Speaker 2: let's share information, let's get this.
Speaker 1: Let's get collab, let's get let's collab, let's throw it down.
Speaker 2: That's ice.
Speaker 3: We're gonna find this guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, girl, come over, bring wine, We're gonna figure this out.
Speaker 2: Truly, I'm gonna be talking about the way they fight
Speaker 2: over this case for about thirty five minutes, Like I
Speaker 2: am so livid at how much time, and and not
Speaker 2: only that, Craigan's gonna be He's in his own fight.
Speaker 2: So basically, then the morang goes, well, my boss is
Speaker 2: talking to your boss. Mature, mature. So Cragan's in with
Speaker 2: the chief of D's and Craigan goes, no, it's mine,
Speaker 2: my squad can do it. How dare you? You get promoted?
Speaker 2: And the first thing you do is me over my
Speaker 2: desk and so and so. Then they waste more time
Speaker 2: fighting who gets it? Munch is there, and finally Finn
Speaker 2: is like, can we get a suspect profile? Then? And
Speaker 2: he goes okay, okay, great. So then Moran goes, okay,
Speaker 2: I think Latino black mail late twenties, early thirties, Stablers
Speaker 2: poop Poo's. The infhone goes, yeah, yeah, you're not the
Speaker 2: only cop who spent time in Quantico and walks off,
Speaker 2: and it's just like okay, and then his response is, well,
Speaker 2: I'm the only cop working at Sport, so you blocked it.
Speaker 2: But if you didn't block it, they could have been
Speaker 2: working on it. So then Craigan and the chief of
Speaker 2: D's walk out yelling, and he's like, stay out of
Speaker 2: Moran's way and give him what he wants. And they're
Speaker 2: both bald. It's just like bald on bald crime. And
Speaker 2: then again even the bosses aren't like, Hi, hey, how
Speaker 2: about we all work together to solve this horrific serial
Speaker 2: killer who is like torturing women in Stabler gives him
Speaker 2: the box of info and is pissed and he's like,
Speaker 2: you're using these victims to get a gold star from
Speaker 2: your boss. And it's like, well, you're doing the same thing,
Speaker 2: but now it's gossip time. Stabler goes, I hear you
Speaker 2: don't know how to play nice with people, and he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm just better working alone, and then he goes, you're
Speaker 2: willing to risk more victims because you can't share. Come on,
Speaker 2: and he screams, this is my only priority. You have
Speaker 2: so many sex crimes. Go do your other work and
Speaker 2: give me privacy. Sabler walks to Finn, who has a witness. Okay,
Speaker 2: So Deborah Huggins lives one floor below, she works nights,
Speaker 2: and she found their card during while they were canvassing,
Speaker 2: and so Finn is going to keep Major Crimes busy
Speaker 2: while Stabler is going to go work the case alone
Speaker 2: and not involve him in it. So again like foolishness,
Speaker 2: Munch walks in and goes, fuck the pubes from the
Speaker 2: carpet aren't in the system. Maybe we can do a
Speaker 2: familial match, and Victor Moran goes, why are you asking me?
Speaker 2: Just go do it, and mons like geez okay, yes sir,
Speaker 2: and Finn hates him too. In Major Crimes, by the way,
Speaker 2: it is an actor named Delroy Lindo, and so Victor
Speaker 2: gets very America's next top model, and he goes, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to catch a killer, not make friends, and then
Speaker 2: Finn says, by yourself and Vic asks, you think I'm
Speaker 2: out of line, and then this is more ice than Finn.
Speaker 2: He goes from the minute you got here, and so
Speaker 2: I hope, since you know, I hope he learns something.
Speaker 2: This is a mess. So they go see Debrah and
Speaker 2: she's like, I think I might have seen the killer.
Speaker 2: I saw a guy waiting for the elevator. He was
Speaker 2: in a maintenance uniform but no company name, and so
Speaker 2: that gave me alarm bells. He was black, twenties, lanky,
Speaker 2: and then in the elevator, she also noticed no toolbox.
Speaker 2: So she got Karen with him and then started asking
Speaker 2: questions and he wouldn't answer them, and she hurried into
Speaker 2: her apartment. She's gonna sit with a sketch artist and
Speaker 2: get it going. So now immediately we get a phone call.
Speaker 2: That's someone that looks like the sketch is getting chased
Speaker 2: by a group of people and they look like they're
Speaker 2: out for blood, and this is all moving very fast.
Speaker 2: He's getting beat up. Finn and Stabler arrive at the scene.
Speaker 2: They like rip people off of him, and then he
Speaker 2: looks he looks like the picture and the guy that's
Speaker 2: in charge of the mob beating him up is named Peanut,
Speaker 2: which is a fun detail.
Speaker 3: I love that. I love Peanut.
Speaker 2: It's like the person who wrote this, I was pissed
Speaker 2: about the glued butthole, but I'm back in with the peanut. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got me with Peanut.
Speaker 1: This reminded me of Richard Ramirez, how like a random
Speaker 1: like crew of people in the neighborhood just chased him down.
Speaker 2: That's how he got caught. Like, I love that the neighborhood. Baby,
Speaker 2: don't fuck with us. So basically, Peanut's like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: recognize him from the news. We were all playing basketball.
Speaker 2: He was going into the building where my granny lived,
Speaker 2: and then they see he has lock picks on him
Speaker 2: and they're gonna put him in lock up, and he
Speaker 2: you know, and he thinks but he thinks the cops.
Speaker 2: He goes like, thanks for saving my life, and Stabler goes,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'm happy about this, and
Speaker 2: the guy gets confused, like what. So we're in cement
Speaker 2: room bars and he's so beat up, and they think
Speaker 2: it's him. They're being mean to him. They're really going
Speaker 2: out of him. He's like, I'm chill, this is chill.
Speaker 2: But then he slips and goes I always wear gloves.
Speaker 2: And then he asks for a lawyer. He goes, I'm
Speaker 2: getting a raw deal. He starts crying, and Finn does
Speaker 2: the classic oh you think this is a raw deal,
Speaker 2: You're gonna get it raw in prison. You're gonna get raped.
Speaker 2: He's crying. He's like, we're gonna fucking rape you in prison.
Speaker 2: They're gonna throw the table like there. I hate when
Speaker 2: they do. Yeah, I hate that tactic. And then you know,
Speaker 2: so then the guy peas himself. He's so scared and
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not our guy. Okay. So then they
Speaker 2: come out and Craigan's like, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, social workers said his biggest fear
Speaker 2: was prison, so we decided to pounce.
Speaker 3: On that lean up and he so fucked up.
Speaker 2: And then finally cabots there and the only one making
Speaker 2: sense a woman. She goes like that jellyfish of a
Speaker 2: person did not commit these brutal crimes, like come on,
Speaker 2: you're wasting my time. We need a murder kit or
Speaker 2: leave me the fuck alone, and then she leaves. Munch
Speaker 2: walks in and says that Chief of Dez is here
Speaker 2: and Granddaddy is mad. So then the squad comes out
Speaker 2: and he's yelling like, how dare you take this case?
Speaker 2: I told you you were off of it, and I
Speaker 2: wish Cabot was here to like help them work together.
Speaker 2: So the baldies fight, and then we get a reveal
Speaker 2: maybe why our friend has anger issues. Basically Victor Moran's
Speaker 2: kid is in the hospital and so you know you'd
Speaker 2: rather but yeah, be with your kid maybe at but whatever.
Speaker 2: So he's invested in the case because his life is
Speaker 2: too sad. So then they're you know, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day though, like the offices, the PPEs, what
Speaker 2: are the what are the name the PPOs? What is
Speaker 2: the p one? Pp one? Ppeah? Oh all one pp
Speaker 2: cares about his results at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: just get fucking results. And we have a guy in there,
Speaker 2: so let's go, you know, keep nailing this guy. They
Speaker 2: go in. He's in the corner. He split his own
Speaker 2: thre wrote he was so scared of jail he decided
Speaker 2: to slit his own throat and then he said, I
Speaker 2: didn't mean to hurt anybody, and while he's falling into unconsciousness,
Speaker 2: and then Finn takes takes that as a confession. So
Speaker 2: Stabler is like, gonna visit the hospital where Marana is
Speaker 2: with his daughter, and she's been like this for five months.
Speaker 2: There's a car accident. She's twelve years old. It's very sad.
Speaker 2: He does a monologue, he's you know, he chokes up.
Speaker 2: She's supposed to have a life. And now Stabler sees like,
Speaker 2: maybe now that you know his wife is dead and
Speaker 2: his child is on a ventilator, that maybe they can
Speaker 2: work together. So Stabler says, solving this case won't bring
Speaker 2: your daughter back. Okay, what a dick, And Sailor's like,
Speaker 2: this case isn't about you. It's not about your family.
Speaker 2: You gotta you can't pull away from the squad. You
Speaker 2: need to work with people. We and you not getting help.
Speaker 2: The victims pay for it. He gets up and says
Speaker 2: I can do a good job, and Sailor goes, well,
Speaker 2: stop blaming everyone for your shitty situation. Yeah, how many
Speaker 2: things do you think you miss because you're in grief?
Speaker 2: And then he goes how many fresh eyes could have
Speaker 2: helped this? And he goes, Okay, okay, I'll we'll all
Speaker 2: work together. Phone rings another body. So that's a bummer
Speaker 2: because that means the suspect, which we knew was not.
Speaker 2: He pissed himself and slit his own throat. It's not
Speaker 2: the same guy that glues buttholes and tortures women. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the suspect they have is wrong, and uh oh,
Speaker 2: this time the woman is burned. So this is Sarah
Speaker 2: bral and Victor goes, well, you want to know why
Speaker 2: they he burned her, and we do. So what I
Speaker 2: didn't mention earlier was there was a leak to the
Speaker 2: press and that there was DNA found, So the press,
Speaker 2: we don't know who leaked the story. It's really fucked up,
Speaker 2: but basically that the cops had DNA from the Pubes
Speaker 2: was told on the news. And so now he burned
Speaker 2: the woman, So now there's no Pubes traumatic music. So
Speaker 2: the balls are chatting and it's confirmed. You know, they
Speaker 2: take a deep sigh. She was burned alive while he
Speaker 2: was in custody, and that's because of like the breathing,
Speaker 2: you know, like the contents wrongs and so so that's
Speaker 2: Melinda info. And but like, what did the suspect confess
Speaker 2: to then? And that was burglary. And then a dude
Speaker 2: was there and they fought and the victim died of
Speaker 2: a heart attack, so that's what he So this is
Speaker 2: a big scrub. This is a big scrub. But Victor
Speaker 2: defends him and finally he's like, all right, fine, now
Speaker 2: we'll work together. I thought the hospitals when they decided
Speaker 2: to work together, but I guess they needed another woman burned.
Speaker 2: So now they're going to work together. And Craigan goes, wow,
Speaker 2: you finally saw the light. And he goes, yeah, maybe,
Speaker 2: and Craigan goes, you're not a team player, Moran. You
Speaker 2: hold anything else back and I'll have your ass and
Speaker 2: then okay. It's like Moran's like hands up, all right, dude,
Speaker 2: Like I'm ready to work. I'm ready to work. Stabler
Speaker 2: has his thinking face on and just looking and looking
Speaker 2: and he sees something. So him and morand get Cooken.
Speaker 2: All victims, same age, but very racially socially and professionally
Speaker 2: and physically different all over the place, Like but what
Speaker 2: are the what are the similarities? Like what are the
Speaker 2: ones that he did not sexually assault? Like what's what's
Speaker 2: going on there? And so basically like one the Morgue photos, blonde,
Speaker 2: but she had a red hair, and then also like
Speaker 2: one of them, didn't have natural pubes, Like the pubes
Speaker 2: and the hair color didn't match, he didn't rape them,
Speaker 2: so and like one had fake tits and so basically
Speaker 2: he hates like fake tits, not natural colored hair stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So so that changes the profile, Moran says
Speaker 2: to over forty, you know, because he probably got into
Speaker 2: his psychosexual types when he hit puberty, which happened before
Speaker 2: plastic surgery was like so common and dyeing your hair
Speaker 2: and whatnot. So that's why his type. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is sick for them.
Speaker 1: Like they figure that they get to that shit real quick,
Speaker 1: like they're like, okay, never mind, move the age up,
Speaker 1: like they know everything about.
Speaker 2: This guy suddenly, yeah, just because he like likes the natural.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so this also means he's been doing it
Speaker 2: forever and he's been studying, and I bet he's like
Speaker 2: a true crime like junkie. And then Munch comes in
Speaker 2: with some DNA. So basically there's like three people with
Speaker 2: DNA that is shared with whoever this person is. So
Speaker 2: they go to one guy. He's yelling about child support
Speaker 2: and then he does have a brother, but the brother
Speaker 2: is dead so it can't be him. So then Munch
Speaker 2: also obviously does not like this. It's an invasion of privacy.
Speaker 2: We're bothering people, and Finn keeps saying there's six dead women.
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. So then Victor and Stable
Speaker 2: are harassing a woman and she doesn't want to talk
Speaker 2: to the cops. But she has four brothers. She doesn't
Speaker 2: know where they are. Two are in school, one works
Speaker 2: for the airline, and one lives down south.
Speaker 1: So they also just fully bullied her, and we're like,
Speaker 1: tell us or we'll arrest you, like they just they.
Speaker 2: Really like or not being good cops here. No, And
Speaker 2: then someone in jail is also related to him, but
Speaker 2: he's like, well, for fifty dollars if you want info,
Speaker 2: fifty dollars, I need money in here, and Craige goes, damn,
Speaker 2: you're gonna like sell out your brother for fifty bucks,
Speaker 2: and he goes, well, if I thought he did it,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that. But I know he did it,
Speaker 2: so give me my fifty dollars. And then basically his brother,
Speaker 2: Tyrese is an active duty military. He's in Afghanistan. It's confirmed,
Speaker 2: and so he didn't Yeah, he got fifty bucks, so
Speaker 2: I'm happy for him. And the dead guy is confirmed
Speaker 2: as well, so it has to be one of these brothers.
Speaker 2: There are crow brothers. There's Mark or Currow who works
Speaker 2: for the airlines, Luke and North Carolina Farmer, and then
Speaker 2: the two others are not in school, ones in rehab
Speaker 2: and the other like, we can't find him, so we're like,
Speaker 2: it was probably this airline guy. We see the picture
Speaker 2: and then we realize. The squad realizes that in every
Speaker 2: crime scene photo there's fresh luggage in the photo. There
Speaker 2: is luggage in the corner of every single like of
Speaker 2: the crime scenes. And then they look in and some
Speaker 2: of the women had just come back from a trip.
Speaker 2: So then I look what he does for the airlines.
Speaker 2: He is a delivery man and he returns lost luggage.
Speaker 2: That's how he gets in. It's so crazy, Like my
Speaker 2: friend just moved into a new apartment and she doesn't
Speaker 2: have curtains yet and it faces another building which is
Speaker 2: like and a lot of people don't have curtains, And
Speaker 2: I was being like, do not always turn off your
Speaker 2: lights when you leave? Keep them guessing, like leave lights on?
Speaker 2: Don't always know, Like so no one knows your schedule,
Speaker 2: Like no one can know your schedule and she's like,
Speaker 2: you need to you need to stop. You need to
Speaker 2: watch less, you need to watch less. And now in
Speaker 2: this moment, it's like, yeah, like I would never allow
Speaker 2: an airline person into your apartment. No, I'll teck me
Speaker 2: when you get here.
Speaker 1: I'll meet you on the street, Like yeah, I mean no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing coming into my house.
Speaker 2: This is like the scariest fucking thing and it could
Speaker 2: be anyone. Oh my god. So okay, so this has
Speaker 2: me scared forever. Okay, he and then he is delivering
Speaker 2: things right now, he has a new victim. Like it's scary,
Speaker 2: it's upsetting, like he is in action. We need to
Speaker 2: fucking get to him. So he locks the door, he
Speaker 2: wheels it in, and she's like, oh yeah, put it
Speaker 2: in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: What She just walks in, turns her back on a
Speaker 1: stranger who's behind her, like crazy.
Speaker 2: And says, go put my suitcase into my bedroom. So
Speaker 2: he locks the door, he wheels it in. He's he's casual,
Speaker 2: he's having fun, casual chats like blah blah blah. She's blonde.
Speaker 2: He looks sneaky. He starts the attack and then Stable
Speaker 2: has him right away. The blonde woman's an undercover cop. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not a real victim, think fucking god, holy shit, you're done, bitch.
Speaker 2: They find everything they need in his van, everything he
Speaker 2: needs for the crime, and on his sheet all the
Speaker 2: female names are circled. He is awful. He is smirking.
Speaker 2: Maran like leaps at him and the dude flinches, but
Speaker 2: still the six smile, confidence silent. He knows not to
Speaker 2: talk to the cops. Maran of course, calls him a
Speaker 2: son of a bitch. And this dude is creepy. His
Speaker 2: name is Nelson Vesquez. He hasn't acted in like fifteen years,
Speaker 2: but what a performance like that? Or yeah, what a
Speaker 2: fucking freak. They have him in cement room bars. He's
Speaker 2: playing the game. He knows. He oh, I don't know
Speaker 2: these women. I don't I love women. Anyone that knows
Speaker 2: me would tell you that I love women. And then
Speaker 2: Maran ice cold, anybody that knows the real you is dead,
Speaker 2: and you know he's an asshole. He's playing games like oh,
Speaker 2: I feel bad for their families, and they're like ah, there,
Speaker 2: and then they start talking, right, they're trying to get
Speaker 2: is like dick hard, which is like a common threat. Yes,
Speaker 2: so they're like, ah, yeah, you like the hunt. The
Speaker 2: only time you feel excitement in your life, the only
Speaker 2: time you feel anything is that moment right before. And
Speaker 2: then she rejects you, and you get raged and punched people,
Speaker 2: and then they're helpless and bleeding and you tie them
Speaker 2: up and then he's like licking his lips and he's like,
Speaker 2: and that's when you know you can have him for
Speaker 2: as long as you want. And then they go, and
Speaker 2: then you look up at what you've done and you're
Speaker 2: pumped with power. You're so proud and you show it
Speaker 2: off with the poses and he goes, you don't know me,
Speaker 2: and then Stabler says, well, we will because we're searching
Speaker 2: your apartment. His face falls. We're going through your private things.
Speaker 2: How do you like that, mister Akurro And he says
Speaker 2: he wants a lawyer now, So shit's getting serious. Finn
Speaker 2: and Muncher at the house. It is clean, clean, clean
Speaker 2: as hell, and a lot of creepy books about forensics,
Speaker 2: transcripts from serial killer courtroom, Like, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: always like, I always want to be the person for
Speaker 2: this podcast that like reads the court documents and the
Speaker 2: FBI reports, and it's like I'm just too I don't know, phone,
Speaker 2: but honey, they're hard to read. I don't know how.
Speaker 2: I don't know how these lawyers do it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't, I truly don't.
Speaker 1: As someone, my parents used to always be like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a lawyer when you grow up because you
Speaker 1: have to argue, and I'm like, no, not once I
Speaker 1: see what they have to do, like I can't, that's
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 3: The reading the cases. The font.
Speaker 1: It's the font honestly of the court cases that I'm like, immediately,
Speaker 1: this is I can't read it, like it's not going
Speaker 1: into my eyes.
Speaker 2: It's so bad. But yeah, So then Munch is so smart.
Speaker 2: He sees three frames hanging in this clean, clean, very
Speaker 2: precise home, but the wires are crossed at the top
Speaker 2: at the nail where they're hanging, and he goes, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: like there's no fucking way it would be crooked, and
Speaker 2: he would allow that if it wasn't for a reason,
Speaker 2: they flipped the art over. It goes from bridges to bound,
Speaker 2: tied and gagged women. Okay, So now Jerry Ryan is
Speaker 2: his lawyer, and of course it's like poor and is legal.
Speaker 2: You can have porn. You can't connect the magazines to
Speaker 2: the crime. They're like, hello, pubes match, there's a link, babe,
Speaker 2: and cabots this ponytail. She's killing it and Petrovsky does not.
Speaker 2: She's like, how the six cases are one case? Like
Speaker 2: what are we doing here? But it applies. It works,
Speaker 2: like if you're guilty of one, you're guilty of all six.
Speaker 2: That's what they're saying, like they're so identical. And Jerry
Speaker 2: Ryan's like, listen, you know he used the bathroom. It
Speaker 2: happens pubes fly and it's like, okay, he went to
Speaker 2: the bathroom. There's not one print, but his pubes are everywhere,
Speaker 2: and she's quick, my client doesn't wash his hands all right?
Speaker 2: Then they fight back and forth, what's like, what is
Speaker 2: gonna happen? And Petrovsky does not like how cocky Jernaly
Speaker 2: Ryan is being like that the case won't go to trial,
Speaker 2: and she goes, how about an alibi? How about that?
Speaker 2: So the time of Casey's murder, there's a witness, the
Speaker 2: mom and the whole Bridge club that says that he
Speaker 2: was at her house and so if he didn't do
Speaker 2: this one, he didn't do all six isn't that what
Speaker 2: you said? Blah blah blah. He grins evilly and like
Speaker 2: she has to dismiss the case and it sucks, so
Speaker 2: we hate him. Stabler and Victor go talk to his
Speaker 2: mom and she works in a coffee and she's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I know it's about Mark. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: to say my son was with me. I know he
Speaker 2: belongs in prison. I've known this for a long time.
Speaker 2: She's like, he called me out of the blue, wanting
Speaker 2: to come over and there, and you know, she doesn't
Speaker 2: like to be alone with him because he's so scary,
Speaker 2: so she invited her bridge club over so she didn't
Speaker 2: have to hang out with him because he's tied a
Speaker 2: cat to a bust. Once he dropped another from a
Speaker 2: six floor walk up. She goes, he is a mistake
Speaker 2: mine or God's and she says he wouldn't leave and
Speaker 2: she said, like, ugh, it pains her, and he stayed
Speaker 2: the whole day and she's like, just wanted him to leave.
Speaker 3: She's like, he knows I don't like him, like he
Speaker 3: why was.
Speaker 2: He coming over?
Speaker 3: He knows I hate him?
Speaker 2: Like uh, And so that means he planned this, so
Speaker 2: like he plans everything he like learns, he reads, he's
Speaker 2: all the books, Like, what's going on? Something's going on?
Speaker 2: How can they get this guy? So we only know
Speaker 2: how she died because of Warner's d comp So like
Speaker 2: what if the hours are wrong? Like what if there's
Speaker 2: a mistake there? But Melinda doesn't make mistakes? So they're like,
Speaker 2: can can the decomposition have happened more rapidly? So they're brainstorming,
Speaker 2: brains storming, like how could they have gotten like how
Speaker 2: could he have fucked with the decomp and the timing
Speaker 2: and the alibi? They they know it's him and then
Speaker 2: their fate. Oh my god, the Kiln. She did ceramics,
Speaker 2: Casey did ceramics. What if the Kiln was used to
Speaker 2: do this? And I love a Kiln centric storyline. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm also should I not be doing
Speaker 2: the l Kiln? No?
Speaker 1: The reason this pocus, Yeah, the reason I suggested this
Speaker 1: episode is because my friend Jackie, who does ceramics, and
Speaker 1: the time I see her, she goes, when are you
Speaker 1: guys gonna do the Kiln episode?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, yeah, we gotta do that one.
Speaker 2: So I put it on the list. Yeah to me,
Speaker 2: it says I forgot about the kiln, you know, like
Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's for her, probably sticks out as a memory.
Speaker 2: For me, it's, oh my god, this is the this
Speaker 2: is fucked, this is so fucked. Yeah. So they go
Speaker 2: back in there to do some and they're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, the window is open, so what is going
Speaker 2: on here? And Cragan's like, but we weren't even onto him,
Speaker 2: Like how would he have known that this alibi was
Speaker 2: going to be needed in the window and the kiln?
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, he studies other cases, Like he
Speaker 2: was just prepared if he ever made a mistake. This
Speaker 2: is like his fucking life, right.
Speaker 1: And so but also how could he have how could
Speaker 1: he have found a victim with a kiln in her apartment,
Speaker 1: like when he has to go to people that have
Speaker 1: luggage that he's delivered, right.
Speaker 2: I think it was random and it was like an opportunity.
Speaker 2: It was like a chance of oppotunety of like oh fuck.
Speaker 2: But maybe he was always doing alibi, like we don't
Speaker 2: know what his journey has been. But also I was thinking,
Speaker 2: like he circled all the women's names, like how does
Speaker 2: he have to do a lot of deliveries in a
Speaker 2: date is he always do the last one? Does he
Speaker 2: look them up online? Like how does he choose? Is
Speaker 2: it in the moment? And then like how do you
Speaker 2: get the other ones? Or are you allowed to be late?
Speaker 2: Like I was, I am curious about like the scheduling
Speaker 2: of it as well. But anyways, so ugh so, but
Speaker 2: thrown out for one murder, it means walks on all
Speaker 2: there's no prince in the kiln? Like, how do we
Speaker 2: prove it? And Finn has an answer. The power company
Speaker 2: just confirmed that Casey Chapman's killawa hours doubled the day
Speaker 2: of her murder, So fuck you, alibi. He was with
Speaker 2: the mom on Sunday, killed her on Monday and then
Speaker 2: thought he got away with it, and so what we
Speaker 2: got him? So they go to the suitcase area in
Speaker 2: a rush and the guy goes what terrorism and they're
Speaker 2: like no, we're looking for Mark and so then he's
Speaker 2: making deliveries. Now, okay, let's say this guy was found
Speaker 2: not guilty. Like he's not even suspended for a week.
Speaker 2: I know, he doesn't miss a day of work, not
Speaker 2: even an internal investigation.
Speaker 1: They've tailed people for way less. This is a fucking
Speaker 1: serial killer. Had they've kept off uniformed officers on guys
Speaker 1: before like, it is kind of wild.
Speaker 3: I definitely clogged that.
Speaker 2: So they got to get to him. Faster's twelve women
Speaker 2: on the list, so they're trying to call him. He's
Speaker 2: not answering. They need to get to the women. Blondeberd
Speaker 2: and then they realized the order of the magazine art
Speaker 2: on his wall was blonde, brunette, redhead, blonde brunette, redhead,
Speaker 2: So who's a redhead? We need to find a redhead.
Speaker 2: So like Finn's looking up the women and then we
Speaker 2: have a redhead. And then so they catch a mid attack.
Speaker 2: She's crying, oh my god, can you believe the luck?
Speaker 2: Hopefully this is you know, before she's glued and so
Speaker 2: she's tied and naked, and Stabler covers her with a
Speaker 2: suit jacket and says, you're safe. Now what a gentleman,
Speaker 2: I tie her. Okay, but Moran starts like I would
Speaker 2: be so uncomfortable, like I just, oh my god, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, you can truly look in my pussy untimey,
Speaker 2: like untimy, Oh my god, I just do not like
Speaker 2: restraints in that way. Stress trust, stressful. So okay, So yeah,
Speaker 2: she's got Moran starts beating the ship of this guy
Speaker 2: and Stable's like, can you please stop? We cannot, like
Speaker 2: we need him in jail. So then okay, we got
Speaker 2: the guy. We got the guy. So now Stabler and
Speaker 2: Miran meet at the hospital Joys and surgery, and Miran goes,
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. And so the good news and
Speaker 2: a cura, you know, they talked and Racurro did confess,
Speaker 2: and he confessed to other crimes in the Dominican Republic,
Speaker 2: so it's a global serial killer. And then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, Stabler realizes these organs are being taken out,
Speaker 2: they're being donated. His daughter is gone, so this is sad.
Speaker 2: So Stabler's like, this is sad, so but it is
Speaker 2: a good thing to help others. And I get that
Speaker 2: a second chance. Everyone needs one. Moran walks off with
Speaker 2: tears in his eyes. We want the best for him.
Speaker 2: And then Stabler watches him go, you know, like touch
Speaker 2: his daughter who's under a sheet, and he's haunted. And
Speaker 2: then the credits roll and that is Dick.
Speaker 3: Who it is a dark one.
Speaker 1: I mean, he blames he blames the serial killer also
Speaker 1: for what happened to his wife and kid, right, because
Speaker 1: he was. He was out working on the case, and
Speaker 1: that's when his wife got pissed and got in the
Speaker 1: car and they got into the accident. Right, So that's
Speaker 1: kind of why he does the like I care about
Speaker 1: this case more than you bullshit. But it's still crazy
Speaker 1: to be like, no one else can solve it a
Speaker 1: except for me. It's like a level of hubris that's
Speaker 1: hopefully now meeting Stabler, he's learned his lesson. But of
Speaker 1: course I don't think we ever see him back. I
Speaker 1: don't think Victor Marin ever comes back for like another collab.
Speaker 2: No, no, he doesn't. But he works, he's working, he's working.
Speaker 2: I like, yes, okay, let's get into this.
Speaker 1: There were a few crimes like listed as what this
Speaker 1: could be about. I didn't really think some of the
Speaker 1: other ones fit some of them. One of them was
Speaker 1: about like a guy who was a serial killer I
Speaker 1: believe in the Chicago area. But he had like a
Speaker 1: he had like a forced confession from the cops, which
Speaker 1: I think is more along the storyline of what happened
Speaker 1: to the guy that Peanut kicked the shit out of.
Speaker 1: So I'm not really focusing on that one for today.
Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on Francisco Dea cis Pereira, the
Speaker 1: Park Maniac. I will start by saying, this man is Brazilian.
Speaker 1: These crimes took place in Brazil, and it is extremely
Speaker 1: hard to find any English resources about this case. So
Speaker 1: I watched a four part Amazon Prime series called The
Speaker 1: Park Maniac colon the Untold Story. It's all the people
Speaker 1: that it was produced in Portuguese. But then when I'm
Speaker 1: watching it, I'm hearing the English dubbing. They've literally hired
Speaker 1: a different actor for every person. It feels like AI
Speaker 1: did the voice over. The translations are bad, the words
Speaker 1: are like wrong to the subtitles. At times, it seems
Speaker 1: like some of the vo people are like laughing when
Speaker 1: they're saying something serious, like they're being like and then
Speaker 1: they found a dead body and you're like, oh my god, why.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a wild experience to watch, like a
Speaker 1: docu series that you could tell if you were watching
Speaker 1: it in Portuguese is probably very well done and serious
Speaker 1: and it's modern. I think it came out in like
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, but the vo of it all, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is it was like making my
Speaker 1: head spin.
Speaker 3: So I'm going with what I could find on this case.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not insanely similar, but I can kind
Speaker 1: of see where people think that this is drawn from.
Speaker 1: But so this all takes place in South Powlo, Brazil,
Speaker 1: which in the late nineties, I guess, there was like
Speaker 1: an epidemic of violence, like fifteen homicides a day, like
Speaker 1: it's just really a brutal time in that city. On
Speaker 1: July fourth of nineteen ninety eight, two young female victims
Speaker 1: are discovered in a state park that's literally just called
Speaker 1: Parque Dostado, which is you know, means state park outside
Speaker 1: of South Parlo, Paolo. It's or it's on the outskirts
Speaker 1: of South Parlow and it's not a very trafficked park,
Speaker 1: Like it's very dense. There's hiking trails, but you really
Speaker 1: have to know your way around to get in and
Speaker 1: out of there. They say, they start searching more areas
Speaker 1: of the woods, they find more bodies, and a couple
Speaker 1: of the bodies that they found had just been killed,
Speaker 1: and then they found other bodies of people who had
Speaker 1: been killed months earlier. So this is obviously somebody's like
Speaker 1: dumping spot. One of the victims was Selma Ferreira Kia
Speaker 1: spot just reminds me of Decks. Sure, I know, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything. Oh the New Dexters are
Speaker 1: you watching? I haven't got a chance.
Speaker 2: I watched two or three. I just can't. It's not
Speaker 2: the actor that plays Young Angel is doing an incredible job.
Speaker 2: It is on point, Christian slan Christian Slater. I I
Speaker 2: just am not feeling and I'm realiter in it, like
Speaker 2: young right, the young dad, like Dexter's dad.
Speaker 1: That's really but he's alive, not coming to him in dreams, which.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the whole thing is like Dexter is a
Speaker 2: teen Okay, Dexter's a teen boy, and it's like and
Speaker 2: the sister, they're in high school or college.
Speaker 1: They're in college. He's in med school when it starts. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I forget when the dad died. Is the dad
Speaker 1: is Christian Slater alive or like ghosty.
Speaker 2: No, no, a lot. He's alive. Father. They're both at
Speaker 2: the police station right now together, like you see the
Speaker 2: origin and why he's try why he started bringing donuts
Speaker 2: like you kind of like seeah, so you're like he's
Speaker 2: in his twenties, he's trying to get it together, like
Speaker 2: he thought med school and like cutting people open would
Speaker 2: make him feel better, and it's not. And so it's
Speaker 2: his first kill. It's that.
Speaker 1: So it's like that's where we're at. Okay, I might
Speaker 1: still give it a spin, but I would love for
Speaker 1: you to give it a spin. And so the Ghost Angel,
Speaker 1: there's no, it's a narrator. So Michael Sea Hall is
Speaker 1: the narrator. Uh huh, that's how he's still involved, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let us know how you feel. I
Speaker 2: just have was not I'm not, and I'm a Dexter fanatic. Well,
Speaker 2: I thought they did a pretty good job with the
Speaker 2: I love new Blood, the new Blood, yeah, loved it,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I wish it was continued with that young
Speaker 2: man and then Dexter's ghost dad or whatnot. And then
Speaker 2: like I don't know why that's not what it is true.
Speaker 2: I was into that kid. I like the park Ranger woman,
Speaker 2: like yeah, that villain that was so good. Like the story.
Speaker 2: I like loved new Blood. That's why I was, you know,
Speaker 2: that's why it's like upset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, back to our little Brazilian Dexter.
Speaker 2: Oh but you meet young like the Emmy like like
Speaker 2: the perverse the perverse, Like it's like a young pervert.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's why I want to see it.
Speaker 1: I also kind of want to see what new young
Speaker 1: deb is.
Speaker 2: Like a young Angel is a I mean he well,
Speaker 2: it's such I don't want to say impersonation because that's
Speaker 2: like really it's like truly mannerisms, language cadence, like kills it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm impressed. Yeah, and the wardrobe of like the Young
Speaker 2: Angel is really impressive. Okay.
Speaker 1: Famously Old Angel married to Liza Colonzias from The Bear
Speaker 1: All These Connects, who was also in the SVU. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they're finding all these bodies. One of the victims
Speaker 1: is Selma Ferrera Kiros, who was an eighteen year old
Speaker 1: whose family had been searching for her since she had
Speaker 1: gone missing like the day before, and they had actually
Speaker 1: received they had paged her and then they got calls
Speaker 1: back from a person that was like I need this
Speaker 1: much money to give her back to you, and they
Speaker 1: were like, let us talk to her, and he was
Speaker 1: like no, and then he would hang up and he
Speaker 1: would call back, but then he just they stopped hearing
Speaker 1: from him. So she was one of the victims they
Speaker 1: found it was very hard to find a comprehensive list
Speaker 1: of all the victims, like of all nine of them.
Speaker 1: But another victim was Rosa Alves Netta, who was twenty one.
Speaker 1: Raquel Mota Rodriguez, twenty three, was found separately in the
Speaker 1: park months earlier. They didn't connect it as a you
Speaker 1: want to talk about the cops fucking up, they didn't.
Speaker 1: There's cop fuck ups all over this. They didn't connect
Speaker 1: this death to these other deaths immediately because even though
Speaker 1: she was found in her underwear, face down in the dirt,
Speaker 1: the coroner said her death was from natural causes. So
Speaker 1: she was just in the in the woods, you know, naked,
Speaker 1: and ended up with her face in the dirt.
Speaker 3: She had, you know, a natural death that way.
Speaker 1: So Raquel's cousin got a call from Raquel saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: I met this guy named Chico. He's gonna he's actually
Speaker 1: a talent scout. He's gonna take pictures of me for modeling.
Speaker 1: And her cousin's like, don't do that. But she went
Speaker 1: and then other women came forward after saying that they'd
Speaker 1: run in you know that happened with my best friends
Speaker 1: to DM. This was Chicago days, so you know, pre
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. But like someone was like, I want to
Speaker 1: take photos of you, so we went. We met in
Speaker 1: a public but but I went with her to watch.
Speaker 1: So I just like stood on the side and was watching.
Speaker 1: So nothing like that. I'm glad you went, Jesus. But
Speaker 1: like a lot of women came forward saying, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: I've had a run in with this guy who also
Speaker 1: approached me and said he was a modeling scout, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah to a few. Other victims were Michelle Dos
Speaker 1: Santos Martinez aged twenty e Los Angelo Francisco da Silva
Speaker 1: twenty one, Patricia Gonsalvez Marino, twenty four and so all
Speaker 1: these bodies in this remote park were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a serial killer on the loose. And so a
Speaker 1: Brazilian magazine called Veja broke the story and they started
Speaker 1: calling the killer the park maniac or the State park
Speaker 1: maniac or also he had the nickname Modo Boy. All
Speaker 1: the bodies were naked, lying face down with their legs spread,
Speaker 1: so similar from the episode in the sense that it's
Speaker 1: a lot of bodies, it's a lot of women the
Speaker 1: same age, same profile, and that they were sort of
Speaker 1: posed after death.
Speaker 3: There was no butthole glue. They were not hogtied.
Speaker 1: It was not quite as a graphic, but still horrific.
Speaker 1: Police subsequently added those other victims that they had found
Speaker 1: in that area in January in May of the same year,
Speaker 1: so the total bodies found in the park was eight
Speaker 1: eight bodies. Police investigating spoke to many women who had
Speaker 1: a similar account of you know, talking to this modeling
Speaker 1: scout and wanting to take their photo.
Speaker 3: So by mid July, between all the witness sketches and.
Speaker 1: An anonymous tip, police began searching for Francisco dea sis Pereira,
Speaker 1: who was a thirty one year old motorcycle courier, hence
Speaker 1: the moto boy nickname.
Speaker 3: That's why he got that nickname.
Speaker 1: So they're looking for him in Brazil frantically for like
Speaker 1: three weeks, and then on August fourth, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: he was arrested, I guess on the border of like
Speaker 1: Brazil Argentina. When they arrest him, he is wearing a
Speaker 1: Boston Bruins hockey jersey.
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 1: After his arrest, he's almost lynched by a mob of
Speaker 1: two hundred, which is seems like a peanut reference as
Speaker 1: authorities transported him to a maximum security prison, they said
Speaker 1: that obviously he was going to be held in solitary
Speaker 1: confinement because he would have definitely been killed by other
Speaker 1: prisoners if he'd been allowed in gen Pop. He had
Speaker 1: also briefly gone to Argentina and passed through several police
Speaker 1: checkpoints without being recognized at all, even though his picture's
Speaker 1: out there, there's this man hunt for him.
Speaker 3: He's going through checkpoints, no one's noticing him.
Speaker 1: It's like we hear this about this all the time,
Speaker 1: like the Yorkshire Ripper, Like he was brought in like
Speaker 1: five times for questioning.
Speaker 3: They never got they never know was him.
Speaker 1: Police found also eventually linked him conclusively to the victims,
Speaker 1: in that they found a partially burned ID card in
Speaker 1: a clog toilet at his job, and it is the
Speaker 1: ID card of Selma Ferrera Cairos, who was one of
Speaker 1: his victims, and so he had tried to like flush
Speaker 1: a bunch of like evidence down the toilet. Perea initially
Speaker 1: denied being a murderer and told them you have to
Speaker 1: prove it, and then that phrase became like a headline
Speaker 1: on all these papers in Brazil, like you got to
Speaker 1: prove it, but then literally like the three days later,
Speaker 1: after he was arrested on August seventh, he confessed to
Speaker 1: killing nine women. They eight from the park, as well
Speaker 1: as nineteen year old is Adora Frankel who had gone missing.
Speaker 1: And don't worry, he had actually been picked up as
Speaker 1: a suspect in her disappearance because he had forged checks
Speaker 1: from her. And he literally went into police precincts like
Speaker 1: a handful of times to talk about this girl's disappearance.
Speaker 1: And he just told them, oh, yeah, like we dated,
Speaker 1: That's why I had the checks, and they believed him,
Speaker 1: and off he went, and he's like the one that
Speaker 1: killed her. And so after he was arrested, he led
Speaker 1: them to her remains. And her dad had been very
Speaker 1: vocal in the press being like, help find my daughter.
Speaker 1: Where like she was more a lot of the other
Speaker 1: women were not from She was from more of a
Speaker 1: middle to upper class background, so her father had more
Speaker 1: connections and like was on the TV constantly being like,
Speaker 1: help me find Isidora, Like this is not like her,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And she had gone to South Pallo
Speaker 1: to take a course to become a flight attendant. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's connected at all to the
Speaker 1: baggage man. But like they had been looking for her
Speaker 1: for months, and they had the guy was coming in
Speaker 1: to talk to them all the time. So after his arrest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he led to her remains and he had doused her
Speaker 1: body in gasoline and burned it three days after he
Speaker 1: had murdered her, So similar to that, I mean, but
Speaker 1: not while she was alive.
Speaker 3: As far as I read, it was a post.
Speaker 1: Mortem burning, so that's at least like a silver lining
Speaker 1: for the victim. He also told them there was a
Speaker 1: tenth body of a fifteen year old girl and tried
Speaker 1: to like lead them to it, but he couldn't find it.
Speaker 1: And he testified about each killing in detail and said
Speaker 1: he may have lost count of how.
Speaker 3: Many women that he killed.
Speaker 1: So that same magazine, Veja ran a cover story that
Speaker 1: was with the with the headline it was me, and
Speaker 1: they somehow had all these transcripts of his conversations with
Speaker 1: his lawyer and his police and police, and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: that's weird. How did this magazine get all this information?
Speaker 1: So it felt like it was a leak or someone
Speaker 1: in there was talking to the magazine. But that was
Speaker 1: apparently that magazine was like sold out. This story was
Speaker 1: like rocking Sapaolo, Like everyone is wanting to read about
Speaker 1: this guy. He confessed to using shoelaces to strangle his
Speaker 1: victims after sexually assaulting them. He targeted women between the
Speaker 1: ages of eighteen and twenty four. He was apparently from
Speaker 1: the Ted Bundy school. He was very charming. He got
Speaker 1: girls to trust him very quickly. He complimented them on
Speaker 1: their looks and how they're going to be beautiful models.
Speaker 1: One day and a few victims that are in this
Speaker 1: documentary that I watched, they managed to escape him and
Speaker 1: like a bunch some of them were like I was
Speaker 1: in the woods with him, like we got there, and
Speaker 1: they all say that he transformed from this nice, charming
Speaker 1: guy into a monster, like as soon as he got
Speaker 1: into the woods, like he just like fully was juckal
Speaker 1: and Hyde when he got into the woods. One woman
Speaker 1: who was named Sandra Alivera, she was nineteen when he,
Speaker 1: you know, did this model thing. Got her to the
Speaker 1: woods and she was like he had me on the
Speaker 1: ground and was pulling my pants down and was like
Speaker 1: about to rape me, and I told him I had
Speaker 1: HIV and that saved her because he ended up just
Speaker 1: tying her to a tree naked and leaving her there,
Speaker 1: and she went to the cops, and she went to
Speaker 1: the press, but like nothing came of it. And like
Speaker 1: a lot of what they were saying too, is that
Speaker 1: at the beginning, when these women escaped him, they were
Speaker 1: going to their local precincts and the city's so huge,
Speaker 1: they're not all talking to each other. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: also where some of the like, you know, Delroy Lindo's
Speaker 1: character versus Stabler, like they're not communicating the right way.
Speaker 1: Otherwise they would have connected a lot earlier. That this
Speaker 1: was like a fucking cereal And so apparently, yes, once
Speaker 1: he lured them into the state park, he became really violent, biting, strangling,
Speaker 1: mutilating the victims, and he told authorities that he was
Speaker 1: about to start eating his victims if his six month
Speaker 1: killing spree hadn't come to an end, like he was like,
Speaker 1: my next move was to start cannibalizing. So crazy, he
Speaker 1: told a judge Jose ruy borgas Borgos, I was possessed
Speaker 1: by an evil force. Quote he said he had a
Speaker 1: Jekyl and Hide thing going on and that the bad
Speaker 1: side took over. He said quote, I am a person
Speaker 1: with a good and bad personality. Sometimes I am not
Speaker 1: able to dominate this dark side. I pray, I pray,
Speaker 1: but I cannot resist. And then I chase after women.
Speaker 1: I wish that they would not go with me into
Speaker 1: the park, that they would run away. End quote. His
Speaker 1: lawyers went for an insanity defense, hoping for a lighter
Speaker 1: sentence than the thirty years in prison, which is the
Speaker 1: maximum maximum sentence under Brazilian law, and one of his lawyers,
Speaker 1: Maria Elisa Muonhaals, told reporters, my client is guilty, but
Speaker 1: my client is sick. And then like some background on him.
Speaker 1: As a child, he was molested by a family member,
Speaker 1: a female family member, and then as a young man
Speaker 1: he was apparently coerced into homosexual relationships. Again, this is
Speaker 1: like a lot of this stuff is very hard to find.
Speaker 1: I found some of this on the Wikipedia entry for him,
Speaker 1: and it's like not credited, but like there is barely
Speaker 1: anything in English about this and so and then apparently
Speaker 1: what it says at one point a quote unquote goth
Speaker 1: Man tried to rip Francisco's penis off, and so he
Speaker 1: had a fear of losing his penis as well as
Speaker 1: pain during sexual activity from that that encounter. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's what turned him into this person.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the trauma also of the of the being
Speaker 1: molested as a young child was contributed to that. He
Speaker 1: had also previously been accused of rape. In the documentary
Speaker 1: they talked about a woman that he had tried to
Speaker 1: sexually assault and he was under suspicion for the you
Speaker 1: know Isidora disappearance. But also a lot of the women
Speaker 1: who escaped this guy said they reported it to the police,
Speaker 1: and the police barely paid attention. They said, they got
Speaker 1: a lot of well what were you wearing? What is
Speaker 1: this what you were wearing? Is this what you look like?
Speaker 1: Like a lot of that very old school, I hope
Speaker 1: way of talking about victims. And then again, like I
Speaker 1: said before, the police precincts are not integrated and as
Speaker 1: connected as they are today, I guess, and so a
Speaker 1: lot of the information like just did not get passed.
Speaker 3: And so the sky was at it for six months.
Speaker 1: On December eighteenth, Okay, so he does go to jail.
Speaker 1: He goes to a psychiatric prison facility. On December eighteenth,
Speaker 1: two thousand, a bunch of inmates tried to kill him
Speaker 1: during a prison riot. Four inmates died, but he did
Speaker 1: survive and they moved him to another psychiatric facility. He
Speaker 1: did get the maximum sentence, but guys, the maximum sentence
Speaker 1: in Brazil is thirty years and he's been in jail
Speaker 1: since ninety eight, which means he's getting out in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty eight.
Speaker 3: In three years.
Speaker 2: Oh, how is he going to be.
Speaker 1: He'll be sixty one. It's not even that old. No,
Speaker 1: he can still commit crimes.
Speaker 2: I gotta keep him in or I gotta do something supervised,
Speaker 2: probate as some I can't even believe this guy's getting out.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know what, Like, that's just their deal,
Speaker 1: Like thirty years is what you do, so like, and
Speaker 1: he was thirty one when he committed the crime, so
Speaker 1: he'll be yeah, early sixties, so yiker. Anyway, if you
Speaker 1: want to see something truly bizarre, please go watch this
Speaker 1: Amazon doc and listen to all these people's voices, because
Speaker 1: you're like, you're watching the people speak and you're like,
Speaker 1: this looks like a normal person that's probably giving a
Speaker 1: very thoughtful account of what happened, and then the voiceover
Speaker 1: does not match it. At all, like it's all very crazy,
Speaker 1: but seems like it's one of the wildest crime cereals
Speaker 1: that Brazil has seen. So definitely a huge case there.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why we have not been more.
Speaker 1: I feel like we do focus on crimes in other countries,
Speaker 1: but maybe because so much of the reporting was not
Speaker 1: in English. I think we're very obsessed with like British
Speaker 1: killers as well in other English speaking countries, but Canada,
Speaker 1: a lot of Canada, but we don't get as much
Speaker 1: of the Brazil coverage anyway. That is the story of
Speaker 1: Francisco deaces Perira. No butt glue but a pretty horrific killer.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's gonna get out.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Nuts. Well, I guess we'll tell you what we've learned,
Speaker 2: which is no one will ever return my suitcase. However,
Speaker 2: I'll come to the airport. Thinks, yeah, you could just
Speaker 2: hold it, think you yes? And also never go with
Speaker 2: a modeling scout to a second location. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: Let's do a post mortem. So no guests today, so
Speaker 1: we can just dive right into our post mortem. But
Speaker 1: I did want to point out we did not mention
Speaker 1: in this episode that Marishka's not in it, and according
Speaker 1: to the factoids, it's because she got a lung injury
Speaker 1: doing Wildlife, which was the episode before. So you know,
Speaker 1: our queen was down and out, uh, and that's why
Speaker 1: she's not in this episode. That's why they brought into
Speaker 1: I guess that's why they brought into No, they obviously
Speaker 1: knew Delroy Lindo was coming in or they didn't bring
Speaker 1: him in like a pinch hitter.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but like I'm trying to think of that
Speaker 2: episode and what could have happened to her line? You know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like one of those have you seen
Speaker 2: the trend where they'll show an artist, like a like
Speaker 2: a musician, like dancing crazy and they're like, there is
Speaker 2: no song, but this person has to be moving like that.
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel with this. It's like, Mushka,
Speaker 1: what did you what happened? I know, I'm like, when
Speaker 1: you that's always the episode for me? Are you ready
Speaker 1: for me?
Speaker 2: Daddy?
Speaker 3: That's always that episode?
Speaker 1: So I don't think that any of that, Uh, snuggling
Speaker 1: with Maloney topless gave her a lung injury?
Speaker 3: Did she wrestle to get a gibbet.
Speaker 1: Oh there's a whole scene where they're running after the
Speaker 1: different animal guys and like sacking them, aren't they Maybe
Speaker 1: it was that because they're like, yeah, like all the
Speaker 1: guys that are you know, trading tigers and gibbons and
Speaker 1: all that. Anyway, that's wildlife. This is baggage. What a
Speaker 1: fucking terrifying episode.
Speaker 2: This is one of the worst of their I would
Speaker 2: put this on top with charisma, like, but for me,
Speaker 2: these are always worse because I can see myself, like
Speaker 2: I know that I'm not gonna be in a religious
Speaker 2: child's pregnation incest cult, like I'm past my prime, Like
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that's gonna happen for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you aged out on a child cult.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, yeah, but but this is like
Speaker 1: these are my number one fears being tortured by a man,
Speaker 1: and no worry out like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, really yeah, it's it's it's really awful.
Speaker 1: I mean, like there are some episodes that are truly
Speaker 1: this isn't haunt, This isn't the Haunting Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: Like this is.
Speaker 2: Awful, Like and they zoom in. They want you haunted.
Speaker 2: They want to haunt it. They zoom in on her
Speaker 2: open eyelids, they zoom in on the bruises, the and
Speaker 2: just the tying. I'm kind of like we should check
Speaker 2: the motive of them who wrote this, Like no one
Speaker 2: needed to be tied that that accurate.
Speaker 1: Glued buttholes like the hog time we've seen before. The
Speaker 1: glued oles were like a new level. But listen, they
Speaker 1: also very much skimped over. Like why the guy like
Speaker 1: he we get he's like a psycho, he's always been
Speaker 1: like that, his mom doesn't like him or whatever, but like,
Speaker 1: was he abused?
Speaker 3: Like what makes him?
Speaker 1: Also he's obsessed with them being natural, Like he doesn't
Speaker 1: even attack the he doesn't even sexually assault the ones
Speaker 1: that are have dyed hair or fake boobs or anything.
Speaker 1: What's that company? He never says any of that in
Speaker 1: his like tit for tat with the cops.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It felt like there were some unanswered questions about this
Speaker 1: fucking guy's pathology.
Speaker 2: But well, yeah, because they work together, we would have
Speaker 2: gotten more pathology if Maloney didn't go, ah, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: not the only guy who's been to Quantico.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, cool and story bro.
Speaker 1: I mean The lesson is also like, why would you
Speaker 1: ever let a baggage delivery person come into your house
Speaker 1: and turn your back on that and let them go
Speaker 1: into your bedroom with a bag? No?
Speaker 3: Uh, I think you need to.
Speaker 2: No, but even like downstairs, like like but SV is
Speaker 2: eventually going to ruin my life fully, but like actually,
Speaker 2: but I did love how this worked out. So I'm walking,
Speaker 2: I'm doing other things. I get a call and it's
Speaker 2: Amazon and the dude's just like yo, no, one's answering, like,
Speaker 2: I have your package. I go fuck. I'm like I
Speaker 2: could be there in fifteen minutes. He goes, all right,
Speaker 2: I'll be on the block, like you'll you can get
Speaker 2: your package. So then I get it and he goes,
Speaker 2: I have another. He goes, which one's yours? I tell
Speaker 2: him my full address. Now he's looking at me and
Speaker 2: he knows my apartment. He knows yeah yeah, And immediately
Speaker 2: I go, uh oh baggage, like I did? I go
Speaker 2: because then he goes, wait, I have another package for
Speaker 2: your building. Will you take it for me? And I
Speaker 2: go yeah. So then like I he scans stuff. I go,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for call. What was the package
Speaker 2: that I couldn't wait? For beads. You're gonna get murder
Speaker 2: for bees. It's like I gotta make well because I'm yeah,
Speaker 2: so beides. I'm surprised they called you.
Speaker 1: When did they call? They never call me. I mean
Speaker 1: I have a porch. They just like leave it there.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, no one.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, I you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 2: like my building is resident buzzer in like I am home.
Speaker 2: Like when I'm home, they know I'll buzzem in, so
Speaker 2: like yeah, because I usually I do have something whether
Speaker 2: it's like I don't know right now, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like for I'm just home and they usually buzz for me.
Speaker 2: I get everyone's packages into this building. I don't think
Speaker 2: they know how much? What is it? Uh an? What
Speaker 2: does what do they say about stay at home moms?
Speaker 2: Unpaid labor, yes, unpaid labor yep, the mental load. I
Speaker 2: am buzzing this building in. No. I think it's like
Speaker 2: annoying for them to have to redo it. Maybe they
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they get punished like they're working
Speaker 2: for an evil lord. Like so I'm sure like if
Speaker 2: they have to go back or it goes back to
Speaker 2: the warehouse, like it's just like a nightmare for them,
Speaker 2: so they would rather be like where Yeah that makes sense,
Speaker 2: And I happened to be close to enough and I'm
Speaker 2: happy to I hope I help end their day early,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, yeah, but be but yeah, just
Speaker 2: be careful everybody like but yeah, so like him like now, no,
Speaker 2: I mean he was like a young man. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's gonna like come in here. But immediately I'm
Speaker 2: like standing with my package as he takes a photo
Speaker 2: to send to Amazon with my full address as like
Speaker 2: a confirmation of delivery. I'm like, ah, like it's so crazy,
Speaker 2: got it? Call me? You know my name, you know.
Speaker 3: My number, you know my address.
Speaker 2: I'm also not signing my Luigi letters with my full name,
Speaker 2: just my initials. But it's like the prison has my
Speaker 2: full address, like if they want, you know what I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh. All right, well but yeah, wild one,
Speaker 2: a wild one. Hope you guys can sleep okay. After
Speaker 2: watching Baggage, I mean, now I understand the people that
Speaker 2: just listen to us talk about it and not Yeah,
Speaker 2: this one was I mean, this was another one where
Speaker 2: the real crime is fucked up too. I mean, how
Speaker 2: many people did he fucking torture and kill, Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: This one actually made me google why do some people
Speaker 1: die with their eyes open? Because like the women in
Speaker 1: this were like and what is it? It was literally
Speaker 1: like sometimes the muscles relax or something like that, like
Speaker 1: after you die, after you go into like a certain
Speaker 1: kind of like rigor or whatever. But yeah, like, how
Speaker 1: come sometimes people are dead like this and sometimes their
Speaker 1: eyes are wide open?
Speaker 3: Like it was?
Speaker 1: It was not clear to me, but I think I
Speaker 1: was just sort of scamming an AI response.
Speaker 3: I need to look more deeply into it, but.
Speaker 1: That's how much I was, Like, Wow, Svu, you really
Speaker 1: zoomed in on those glassy dead eyes, Like sure you
Speaker 1: didn't want to give us at a little glance at
Speaker 1: the buttthole too, Like why didn't you just show us that?
Speaker 2: Like will you imagine this show not on network television?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be like watching the movie or something
Speaker 1: like every week, like it would be oh boy.
Speaker 3: But let's uh, we can. We can move on to
Speaker 3: our what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 1: That's our weekly segment where we direct you guys towards
Speaker 1: usually an article, a book, a documentary, an organization, something
Speaker 1: that ends more involved with what we talked about in
Speaker 1: today's episode, but I thought it would be appropriate this
Speaker 1: week to point you towards a directory of displaced Black
Speaker 1: families from the fires. It's a directory of their gofundmes.
Speaker 1: There are obviously countless families who are in need of
Speaker 1: help and aftermouth of the fires, but it's been pointed
Speaker 1: out that a lot of gofundmes for people of color
Speaker 1: are slower to gain traction to meet their goals. So
Speaker 1: I would love if you guys are feeling like the
Speaker 1: urge to help people out in California, if you could
Speaker 1: take a look at this list. A lot of them
Speaker 1: are listed by how complete they are, so you can
Speaker 1: just go and check and you can help some of
Speaker 1: these Because just to be clear, Alta Dina, where one
Speaker 1: of the fires is, is the closest to me, and
Speaker 1: I know many people who live there, and it's also
Speaker 1: a historically black community, and so a lot of people
Speaker 1: that have lived there for decades have lost their homes,
Speaker 1: and so I would love for you guys to check
Speaker 1: out the link to donate, and those are going to
Speaker 1: be obviously in our show notes. We'll post those on
Speaker 1: our Instagram and then the Instagram story will live Forever
Speaker 1: in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page. We also
Speaker 1: no doubt you have heard of the firefighters who have
Speaker 1: been like absolute fucking godlike heroes in this whole situation,
Speaker 1: and many of them are incarcerated men who are fighting
Speaker 1: against these fires for the rumor is five dollars a day.
Speaker 1: We wanted to point people to the Anti Recidivism Coalition,
Speaker 1: specifically the ARC Firefighter Fund. There are nearly a thousand
Speaker 1: incarcerated firefighters currently fighting these fires in La so this
Speaker 1: is part of a voluntary program they do with the
Speaker 1: California Department of Corrections. These men and women earn between
Speaker 1: five dollars and eighty cents to ten dollars twenty first
Speaker 1: cents day working in twenty four hour shifts to save
Speaker 1: lives like they could be making at max ten bucks
Speaker 1: a day. Every dollar donated to the Firefighter Fund goes
Speaker 1: towards immediate needs like food and hygiene supplies, fire camp upgrades,
Speaker 1: and scholarship funds for when they are released. So you
Speaker 1: can also please feel free to donate to Anti Recidivism
Speaker 1: dot org slash Firefighter Fund and that will also be
Speaker 1: in our stories in our show notes.
Speaker 3: For your for your viewing. Ease, what am I talking about? Lisa?
Speaker 3: Pick pick it up?
Speaker 2: There's nothing to pick up. You know, as you talk
Speaker 2: you just think about Like I look up top, I'm like,
Speaker 2: we gotta be hopeful. But in the end, I'm like,
Speaker 2: the darkness is so deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a it's just a wild five ye
Speaker 1: just but like yeah, the like the prison system is
Speaker 1: a business.
Speaker 2: Like it's just like what the fuck? Like it is
Speaker 2: just you know, such a deep darkness but a lot
Speaker 2: of hopefulness. Yeah. If you can help someone, please this week.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's time to do it. Next week,
Speaker 2: please join us, we'll be doing Thought Criminal Season fifteen,
Speaker 2: episode twenty three. And as always, we're so lucky to
Speaker 2: have such incredible listeners. And if you've listened all the
Speaker 2: way to the end, you're sick, get a life.
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