1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: It's that time time time, time, walking load. 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Michael Very Show is on the air. 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: Are you going to fire the current FBI director, Christopher Ray? 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Who you appointed? 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 4: Well, I can't say I'm thrilled with he invaded my home. 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 4: I'm suing the country over it. He invaded Marlangot. 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 5: Jack. 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 6: Don't the FBI director just resigned. Christopher Ray announced a 9 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 6: moment ago that he will leave by the end of 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 6: the current administration, three years before the end of his 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 6: ten year term. 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: Don't you come back? 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 7: I don't you come back? 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 8: No? 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 9: Hit the room. 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 10: I don't you come back? 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 8: No more? 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 9: No more? 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 7: No hit the room, and don't. 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 11: You come back. 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: After weeks of careful thought, I've decided the right thing 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 1: for the bureau is for me to serve until the end. 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: Of the current. 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 12: Administration in January, and then stepped down. 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 7: Well, I yes, give me you say so, I'll have 26 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 7: to tame the thing that's get the room. 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 8: Don't you come back? 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 7: No more? 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 12: No more? 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: I get the room. 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 10: I don't you come back? 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 9: What you hear the room? 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: I know you come back? 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: No more, no more. 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 7: I hit the room and don't you come back? 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: Well, don't you come back? What you said? You come back, 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: I'll understand it. 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 8: Come back. 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 13: So Christopher Ray announced yesterday that he was resigning. 40 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: That's cute. He was gone. 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 13: Cash Fattel will be the new FBI director, and as 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 13: President Trump has made very clear, Christopher Ray would not 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 13: be allowed to stay. 44 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: Now. 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 13: One of the reasons I read your emails is to 46 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 13: understand what's on your mind. And one of the things 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 13: that keeps coming up because you're hearing this on evening 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 13: news is I thought the FBI director got a ten 49 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 13: year term. That's not how that works. And let me 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 13: explain that this is something that I'm not sure people 51 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 13: don't understand, or they do understand, and they're misconstruing it 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 13: on purpose to their own end. But my guess is 53 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 13: they don't understand. You have to understand, first of all, 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 13: j Edgar Hoover was the very long time FBI director. 55 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: I think it was thirty seven years. I might be wrong. 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: I think it was thirty seven years. 57 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 13: He became the most powerful man in the country, and 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 13: the way he did that was to take his agency 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 13: and he would tell the presidents to whom he was 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 13: a counselor, hey, i'm your guy, I'm going to dig 61 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 13: up dirt on your enemies. 62 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you what you need. 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 13: I'm going to give your campaign what they need to 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 13: keep anybody from ever being able to challenge you. This 65 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 13: is very much the Rasputant approach to the Czar in Russia. 66 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 13: I'm going to make myself indispensable to you as a 67 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 13: person who can make you stronger and more powerful. The 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 13: problem is that person themselves become the wielder of power. 69 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 13: There is a an old maxim that it is better 70 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 13: to be a king maker than a king, because kings 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 13: are assassinated and the king maker holds the power. 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: Well, look at Joe Biden. 73 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 13: You know that Joe Biden hadn't been the president for 74 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 13: all intents and purposes, by which I mean determining major 75 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 13: policy issues, military issues. 76 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: He was just a guy. They rolled out there to 77 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: fall asleep or pooh or fall over. 78 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 13: The persons who were controlling the country are people not 79 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 13: seen by you, Army. Now, the FBI director, JEdgar Hoover 80 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 13: was a vile individual, and it's very telling that the 81 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 13: FBI headquarters is named for him. But Hoover began at 82 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 13: an FBI that was not so powerful, and he made 83 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 13: him so very useful. To presidents, and he would grow 84 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 13: his budget year after year. But what he did in 85 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 13: the process was he also investigated the presidents in, every 86 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 13: member of Congress, every Supreme Court justice, and Martin Luther 87 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 13: King Junior and everyone else. And they would use that 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 13: information to blackmail, They would use that information to extort, 89 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 13: they would use that information to intimidate, so members of 90 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 13: Congress were scared to death of him. And then in 91 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 13: the nineteen sixty eight Omnibus Crime Control Act, which eventually 92 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 13: it was in nineteen seventy six, in response to the 93 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 13: Hoover phenomenon, we can never let this happen again because 94 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 13: we don't run the country. 95 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: He does. 96 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 13: So the idea was an FBI's FBI directors would be 97 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 13: limited to ten years. But it's not a ten year term, 98 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 13: it's a ten year cap. You see, the FBI director 99 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 13: serves at the pleasure of the president like most everyone else. 100 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: So this idea. 101 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 13: That the FBI director gets to be there for ten years. 102 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 13: You're going to hear a lot of crazy things now 103 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 13: that Trump is president. You're gonna hear things said that 104 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 13: you've never heard before. And they're going to say, oh, 105 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 13: the Constitution says, oh, the losses. It's all bull We're 106 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 13: going to do exactly what they've been doing, and that 107 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 13: is what we want to do. And we're not going 108 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 13: to be limited. We're not going to be hamstrung. And 109 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 13: if Joni Earnst or John Cornan or Mitch McConnell or 110 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 13: someone else will not approve cabinet secretaries, we are going 111 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 13: to rain down hell upon them, because that's what you do. 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 13: You worked hard to win this election. Now the things 113 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 13: that were promised you are going to be delivered you, 114 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 13: and Donald Trump has every intention to do so. 115 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: So here we are. 116 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 13: Old Christopher Ray, the man who terrorized Donald Trump, a 117 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 13: man who Republicans thought was our friend. We thought he 118 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 13: was one of our guys. And this is one of 119 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 13: the oddest quirks of living in the era when we 120 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 13: do is this is the moment, the transformative moment, where 121 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 13: we've come to understand that the Republicans we worked so 122 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 13: hard to elect, the Bushes and the Cheneese, the Romney's 123 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 13: and the Mitch McConnell's and John Cornyn's, they hate us, 124 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 13: but they never had need to cut us until we 125 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 13: came after their power. When we realized that they've been 126 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 13: playing us all this time. And that crazy old Ron 127 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 13: Paul that was over there that everyone laughed at because 128 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 13: he was talking about doing away with the FBI. It 129 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 13: turns out there was your savant, there was your Doda 130 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 13: all along. 131 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: Michael Berry's show power is an amazing thing. 132 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 13: They cannot be exercised democratically. When someone takes more than 133 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 13: their share of power, they take it from other people. 134 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 13: Our deep state has taken the power you have over 135 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 13: your own country without the consent of the government. Most 136 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 13: of these people you don't even know who they are. 137 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 13: Think about that, most of these people operate in the shadow, 138 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 13: on your payroll, with your weaponry, with your equipment. Now 139 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 13: I understand some people get all lathered up excited because 140 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 13: they're spy novel people and they like the idea that 141 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 13: our government has all his power and you're not allowed 142 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 13: to know who has it. Well, then who does the 143 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 13: people have the power? And that must be fought for constantly. 144 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 13: Haven't you seen Brave Heart not funny? Ramon Cia director 145 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 13: John Brennan is an awful human being. 146 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: Awful human being. 147 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 13: He's one of those guys that believe that the peasants 148 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 13: shouldn't have any power, and he can decide which country's 149 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 13: leaders to topple and what he wants to do, and 150 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 13: you're too stupid to know any better. 151 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 2: And he hates Trump. Well, he was on. 152 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 13: MSNBC, which we'll be talking about shortly. Their ratings are 153 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 13: worse than the Food Channel and the Hallmark Channel. Now 154 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 13: that's saying something. And he appeared to choke back tears 155 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 13: over the resignation of f be A director Christopher Ray. 156 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 2: This is such a sad day. We're not going to 157 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: control the tetry anymore. 158 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 8: I think it's going to be very difficult, and I'm 159 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 8: very disappointed that Director Ray decided to resign. I think 160 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 8: Director Ray has carried out his responsibilities with integrity professionalism 161 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 8: during very difficult and challenging times over the last seven years. 162 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 8: And he was appointed to a ten year term and 163 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 8: he accepted a ten year term, and right now his 164 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 8: decision to leave tends to legitimize what Donald Trump is 165 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 8: doing in terms of pointing someone else. I don't think 166 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 8: it would be any problem if he stayed in place 167 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 8: and had Donald Trump remove him. I mean that certainly 168 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 8: is a presidence prodactive even though there is a ten 169 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 8: year term on the FBI director role. But by doing this, 170 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 8: I do think it's going to leave the men and 171 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 8: women of the FBI sort. 172 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: Of wondering what their future is going to look like, particularly. 173 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 10: If somebody like kash Patel, a real sycophanto Donald Trump. 174 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 8: Is actually going to get through the confirmation process. 175 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 10: So, although I respect Director Ray and I'm sure that 176 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 10: his decision was based on how he evaluated the impact 177 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 10: on the bureau and the workforce, I just think that 178 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 10: was a decision that should not have been made at 179 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 10: this point and he should have stayed through the transition 180 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 10: to the administration. 181 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 13: Tells you everything that he is concerned about the people 182 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 13: in the FBI. That's where his loyalty is. They think 183 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 13: they're more important than you are. They're worried they won't 184 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 13: have the run of the place. This is the same 185 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 13: mindset in Syria when Asad falls, or in Libya when 186 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 13: Kadafi falls, or in Iraq or the Bath Party. 187 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: You see, when you've. 188 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 13: Been terrorizing the country, you're concerned about your own little 189 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 13: group if y'all aren't allowed to be the dictators anymore. 190 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 13: Former Deputy director of the FBI Andrew McCabe told CNN's 191 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 13: Caitlin Collins that he fears the FBI's political independence may 192 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 13: be over. I want to be very clear, there has 193 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 13: been no political independence. 194 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: At the FBI. 195 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 13: The FBI has been the most powerful organization in this 196 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 13: country with zero accountability, and they have terrorized Donald Trump. 197 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: And you refused to lose. 198 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 13: And that's why Trump's coming in and they're scared to death, 199 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 13: and you know what, that's exactly how I want it 200 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 13: to be. 201 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 14: His decision tonight to announce that he's stepping down, not 202 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 14: today but before January twentieth. Do you think he did 203 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 14: the right thing or do you think he should have 204 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 14: made Trump fire him? 205 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 5: You know, I think I think Director A. A did 206 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 5: an honorable job of leading the FBI through some very 207 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 5: tough times. And I'm sure he has his own reasons 208 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 5: for going in the way that he announced today, But 209 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 5: I believe very strongly that the principle of FBI independence 210 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 5: is worth defending, and in this moment, the way to 211 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 5: best defend that principle this post Watergate reform that has 212 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 5: been the core of the FBI for the last fifty years, 213 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 5: the FBI that the American people rely upon, the FBI 214 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 5: that's independent from politics. The best way to defend that 215 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 5: principle would be to remain in his position and force 216 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 5: the president. 217 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: To fire him. So you think you should have stayed. 218 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I do. 219 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 14: And what does it mean now that he did it? 220 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 14: Because I was talking to someone today who said, this 221 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 14: idea of independent FBI directors or you know, the next 222 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 14: president leaves the former FBI director in place is over, 223 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 14: because I mean, if cash Till's confirmed, if a Democrats 224 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 14: elected in four years, I think it's hard for people 225 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 14: to see that they would potentially keep. 226 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 5: Him in place, it may very well be over. And 227 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 5: that's really a crushing thing to FBI people. The culture 228 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 5: the FBI has long seen itself and for good reason, 229 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 5: is being very different than every other government agency. And 230 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 5: one of the reasons for that was because of their 231 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 5: storied independence. Independence that's really was legislated by Congress with 232 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 5: the ten year term for the FBI director. And I 233 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 5: you know, I fear that what we're on the precipice 234 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 5: now is the complete walking back of those fifty years 235 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 5: of reforms in the postcouver FBI. 236 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: These people are so delusional, it really is. It is. 237 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 13: Staggering how delusional they are. Clip number five O for 238 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 13: remon if you wouldn't. This is Christopher Ray telling the 239 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 13: World Economic Forum, what's he even doing there in Davos, 240 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 13: that the FBI is making quote great strides with the 241 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 13: private sector. What he means is this is fascism. The 242 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 13: government controls the corporations, and the corporations are their agent 243 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 13: in terrorizing You listen to this. 244 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: And I think the sophistication of the private sector is improving, 245 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: and particularly important, the level of collaboration between the private 246 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: sector and the government, especially the FBI, has I think 247 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: made significant strides pretty much every technology we could talk 248 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: about today, we see both great opportunity but great dangers 249 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: in the wrong hands. 250 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 13: These people use fear mongering. These people use what manners 251 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 13: most to you, safety and security, consistency, continuity, against. 252 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: You as a tool. 253 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 13: They also use sexual scandals, but we'll get to that 254 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 13: in just a moment. These are not good people, and 255 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 13: this is unfortunate because I've known men still do. I've 256 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 13: known many g men. I've known FBI agent dea agenc, 257 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 13: secret service, you name it, and they the top ranks 258 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 13: have been corrupted by evil. 259 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 6: Skeltrel Captain something wong, Well, something must be right. 260 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: You're listening to Michael Berry. Let's take a. 261 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 13: Look back that Christopher Ray's tenure as the FBI director 262 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 13: and see why Trump wants him out. 263 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: Not that we owe him anything, but I want you 264 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: to understand. 265 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 13: You know, Trump has shown incredible restraint if you think 266 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 13: about it, for what these people have done to him. 267 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 13: Christopher Ray's agency had the Hunter Biden laptop almost a 268 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 13: year before the New York Post article. 269 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: What did they do with that laptop? Before you ever 270 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: knew about it? 271 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,359 Speaker 13: They sent agents to social media companies to warn them 272 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 13: that that laptop, that what was on that line laptop, 273 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 13: it was all fake. It was Russian disinformation. Don't post it. 274 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 13: If you do, you'll be allowing the Russians to run 275 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 13: our country. You don't believe me. Here is Facebook founder 276 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 13: Mark Zuckerberg telling Joe Rogan how the FBI approached his 277 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 13: company back in twenty twenty and said, do not post 278 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 13: about that laptop. Ironically, the pardon of Hunter Biden in 279 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 13: the last few days, it was a pardon for the 280 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 13: crimes laid out on that laptop. 281 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 11: How do you guys handle things when they're a big 282 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 11: news item that's controversial, Like there was a lot of 283 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 11: attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter 284 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 11: Biden laptop story, the neueos. 285 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you guys censored that as well. 286 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 15: So we took a different path than Twitter. I mean 287 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 15: basically the background here is the FBI I think basically 288 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 15: came to us some folks on our team. It was like, hey, 289 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 15: just so you know, like you should be. 290 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: On high alert. 291 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 15: There was we thought that there was a lot of 292 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 15: Russian propaganda in the twenty sixteen election. We have on 293 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 15: notice that basically there's about to be some kind of 294 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 15: dump of that's similar to that, so just be vigilant. 295 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 15: So our protocol is different from Twitter's. What Twitter did 296 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 15: is they said you can't share this at all. We 297 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 15: didn't do that. What we do is we have if something. 298 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 13: Is all in all, It's important to note that was 299 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 13: Jack Dorsey's Twitter at the time. 300 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: That's not Elon's approach. I just I don't want you 301 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: to think that Elon was involved in that. 302 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 15: Right, go ahead if something has reported to us as 303 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 15: potentially misinformation important misinformation. We also have this third party 304 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 15: fact checking program because we don't want to be deciding 305 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 15: what's true and false. And for the I think it 306 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 15: was five or seven days when it was basically being 307 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 15: being determined whether it was false. The distribution on Facebook 308 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 15: was decreased, but people are still allowed to share it, 309 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 15: so you could still share it, you could still consume it. 310 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: Say the distribution has decreased. 311 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 15: It got shared basically the ranking and news feed was 312 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 15: a little bit less, so fewer people saw it than 313 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 15: would have otherwise. 314 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: So it definitely by what percentage. 315 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 15: I don't know off the top of my head, but 316 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 15: it's it's it's meaningful, but I mean, but basically a 317 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 15: a lot of people are still able to share it. 318 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 15: We got a lot of complaints that that was the case. 319 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 15: You know, obviously this is a hyper political issue, so 320 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 15: depending on what side of the political spectrum, you either 321 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 15: think we didn't censor it enough or censored it way 322 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 15: too much. But we weren't sort of as black and 323 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 15: white about it as Twitter. We just kind of thought, hey, 324 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 15: look if the FBI, which I still view as a 325 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 15: legitimate institution in this country, it's a very professional law, 326 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 15: that's just it. 327 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 13: That's why they need you to believe they are a 328 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 13: legitimate institution because then you'll go, well, the FBI wouldn't 329 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 13: be protecting Hunter Biden. They're the FBI, They're in all 330 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 13: the movies. 331 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: What if they are? 332 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 13: Well, the New York Times in Washington Post wouldn't lie 333 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 13: about it. I mean, democracy dies in darkness. This is 334 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 13: the New York Times in the Washington Post, the blue 335 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 13: blood newspapers. They wouldn't be skewing the news for what 336 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 13: what happens when they do what happens at the moment 337 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 13: where you realize that the people you trusted most, the 338 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 13: credibility that they had, they were willing to trade in 339 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 13: exchange for owning you. This one time. You remember in 340 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 13: Braveheart where William Wallace the people who worked the land 341 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 13: fought the war and they were beating the English king Longshanks, 342 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 13: and who would benefit most the Scottish noblemen. So the 343 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 13: Scottish noblemen had their armies that they controlled. These these 344 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 13: men were out there fighting like enlisted men, fighting for 345 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 13: their homeland of Scotland, and the Scottish nobles who would 346 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 13: be behind them on their horses with their cavalry, and 347 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 13: they had the big armies that they would pay that 348 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 13: which were the you know, sophisticated, you know, the guys 349 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 13: with the heavy equipment. And then William Wallace realizes that 350 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 13: the king cut the deal with the Scottish nobles and said, 351 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 13: you guys, turn and leave. When the battle starts, we'll 352 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 13: kill off your commoners in exchange, we'll give you extra 353 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 13: lands because we have to win this war. 354 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: We have to destroy your people. 355 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 13: And William Wallace pulls a man off a horse and 356 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 13: puts a knife to his neck who's fighting against him, 357 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 13: and realizes this is Robert the Bruce. This is the 358 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 13: son of the top scotsman. They traded us, they compromised us, 359 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 13: they betrayed us, and Robert the Bruce goes back and 360 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 13: tells his father, I can never do that again, because 361 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 13: what those men fight for is honor and decency. 362 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: What we fight for is lands. You remember that moment. 363 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: We must have a lion with England to prevail here. 364 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 7: He achieved that he saved your family in christian Land. 365 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 7: In time he level the power discussion. Thanks titles men 366 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 7: power nothing nothing. I have nothing, and fight for me, 367 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 7: because if they do not, I throw them off my 368 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 7: land and I starve their wives and their children. Those 369 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 7: men who bled the ground did folk cook. 370 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: They fought for William Wallison. He fights for something that 371 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: I've never. 372 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 7: Had, and I took it from him when I betrayed him, 373 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 7: and I saw it in his face on the battlefield, 374 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 7: and it's tearing me apot. 375 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: Om in betray all, lose hot. I want to. 376 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 7: Believe as he does, I'll never be on the wrong 377 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 7: side again. 378 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: And that's just it. The Christopher Raise, the John Brennans, 379 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: the CNN's, MSNBC's, they do what they do for power 380 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: and money and glory. And what they can't understand is you. 381 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 13: How can you work in a plant all day, get off, 382 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 13: get in your truck, got sand in your butt crack, 383 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 13: haven't showered all day, You're exhausted, your back hurts. You 384 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 13: don't make the money they do, and you're tuning in 385 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 13: to hear me talk about so you can think about 386 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 13: the direction of this country. And you don't stand to 387 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 13: gain a personal dime from your activism because you're principled. 388 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 13: You're a saint to them, a crazed saint. They don't 389 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 13: understand you. And this is why people like that assume 390 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 13: that whatever someone does, they do it with the worst motive. 391 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 13: When someone says, oh, that guy, he's you know, he's 392 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 13: handing out turkeys to the poor. He's probably in trouble 393 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 13: and trying to get out of it. 394 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: That's a person with a dark heart. 395 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 13: The people who assume the worst in other people know 396 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 13: that inside their heart they are dark. Now, mind you 397 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 13: what's fascinating about that Zuckerberg interview on Rogan when he 398 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 13: said the FBI came to him and said, hey, that 399 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 13: Hunter's y'all, don't allow anybody to post about that. 400 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: That's the Russians who made that story help. 401 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 13: The same FBI would use the same laptop years later 402 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 13: in their case against Hunter Biden. Listeners often ask me, 403 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 13: why did they protect Hunter Biden then prosecute Hunter Biden's 404 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 13: important to understand this. They protected Hunter Biden because they 405 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 13: needed to to help Joe Biden win in twenty twenty 406 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 13: because even though they cheated to get the numbers they needed, 407 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 13: they still needed some people to vote for Biden. They 408 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 13: didn't want everybody to leave it. That's what Trump pointed 409 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 13: out in twenty twenty four. 410 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: It was too big to rig. 411 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 13: They would have liked to have cheated before, and if 412 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 13: it had been close enough, they could have gotten away 413 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 13: with it. They did cheat, but it was too big 414 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 13: to rig. Why did they prosecute him later. They had 415 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 13: to have a parallel course going that they were working 416 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 13: to help him get reelected at the very time that 417 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 13: they're working, so that when they need him to step 418 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 13: down ten minutes later, they can walk in and smother him. 419 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 13: Twenty fifth amendment, you've got to step down. You ever 420 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 13: saw them think about what made Joe Biden step down. 421 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 13: They couldn't really use the twenty fifth amendment that he's incapacitated. 422 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 13: You realize that, right, that's what people tell you. They 423 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 13: threatened him with the twenty fifth. They couldn't do that 424 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 13: because they'd been telling you hours before that he was 425 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 13: perfectly fine, sharp as attack went to G seven a 426 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 13: matter of days before, and everybody said he was the 427 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 13: best guy there, Blink and Mayor, because all of them 428 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 13: were on record, Kamala Harris, it will never happen that 429 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 13: he has to be replaced. He's the best, he's the smartest, 430 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 13: he's he's better today than we've ever seen. Right, They 431 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 13: had to have Joe Biden agree to step down when 432 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 13: they were ready to have him step down, but to 433 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 13: build the case would take a while. They had to 434 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 13: have the case ready so that he they're sweating him 435 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 13: out so that when the time came to sweat him out, 436 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 13: they could go, look, Hunter Biden's going to prison. It's 437 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 13: not our fault, has the case. US attorney's prosecuting it. 438 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 13: So they would take the same laptop that they had 439 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 13: argued when they needed it not to have anything on it, 440 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 13: to say it has nothing on it. The same laptop 441 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 13: was used as evidence in trial against Hunter, and it 442 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 13: was the fear that they are going to prosecute Hunter 443 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 13: that led Joe Biden to step down. 444 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: These people are diabolical. You've got to be willing to. 445 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 13: Assume the worst to understand what they're doing, because it's 446 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 13: not what you would do, and you don't know anybody 447 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 13: who would do this. They don't behave like normal people. 448 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 13: By the way, it wasn't just a Hunter Biden laptop 449 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 13: that the FBI pressured social media companies about. They were 450 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 13: holding weekly meetings with Twitter. This was before Elon owned 451 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 13: it to go over individual posts on their platform. So 452 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 13: if you ever noticed that it felt like you were 453 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 13: being shadow band or slowed down, that was happening. The 454 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 13: FBI was making back channel meetings. They would show up 455 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 13: over there and go, hey, we don't like that Michael 456 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 13: Barry is saying that Hunter's laptop is this. 457 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: We don't like that. 458 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 13: They're pointing out that Joe Biden fell over. Take this down, 459 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 13: and take this down, and take this down, and take 460 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 13: this down. This is Congressman Harriet Hageman, Republican from Wyoming, 461 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 13: and she's questioning FBI Director Christopher Ray. 462 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: He knows exactly what's happening. 463 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 12: May know there is a preliminary injunction that's been entered prior. 464 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 3: To the preliminary injunction where these weekly meetings taking place. 465 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 12: I don't know if weekly meetings occur again before the injunction, 466 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 12: but certainly we've been and we've been very open about this, 467 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 12: engaged with. 468 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: Does the FBI intend to continue to have such meetings 469 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 3: leading up to the twenty twenty four election to police 470 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: election related speech? 471 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: Well, we're not going to be policing. 472 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: That's what you've been, that's what you previously did. 473 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: I do not agree with that. To disgree, Kay, Well, 474 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: here's what I would say. 475 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 3: This committee has learned that the FBI acted to quote 476 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 3: discredit leaked information about Hunter Biden before and after it 477 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: was published that quote. Twitter's contact with the FBI was 478 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: constant and pervasive as if it were a subsidiary. And 479 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: that quote A surprisingly high number are requests by the 480 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 3: FBI for Twitter to take down on action take action 481 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 3: on election misinformation, even involving joke tweets from low follower accounts. 482 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 3: Are you aware that that has been reported? 483 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 12: I am aware of some of what the committee has 484 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 12: found in its repetwork, but I will add that I'm 485 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 12: not sure I agree with the findings, but that's what 486 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 12: we found. 487 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: A director way, you and I both know that the 488 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: federal government is forbidden from doing indirectly what it cannot 489 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: do directly. In other words, neither you nor the FBI 490 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: have any legal authority to circumvent the First Amendment by 491 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: using a surrogate to do your dirty work. 492 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: Yet that is exactly what you have been doing. 493 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: The Bureau under your watch has been using proxies to 494 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 3: violate the First Amendment. Were you the person who gave 495 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: the orders to use the social media companies to violate 496 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 3: the First violate American's First Amendment rights? 497 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 12: Again, I don't agree with your description of our engagements. 498 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: So who did you come to? 499 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 3: So who made the decision to use social media companies 500 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: as a proxy? To suppress the First Amendment rights of American. 501 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 12: Citizens, because I don't believe that's what we did. I'm 502 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 12: not sure there's anyone that would have made such a decision. 503 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: Do you really expect the American public to believe that 504 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 3: you were not involved in the decisions related to using 505 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: social media companies to suppress the First Amendment rights of 506 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: American citizens. 507 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 12: I can't help what people will believe or not. I 508 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 12: can only speak to what the facts are. 509 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 16: Christopher Ray is an awful human being who allow, at 510 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 16: a minimum, allowed terrible things to happen. At a minimum, 511 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 16: allowed terrible things to happen. And let us not forget 512 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 16: because January sixth is all of this. People wish we'd 513 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 16: stop talking about January sixth, that's just it. We're not 514 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 16: going to We're not going to stop talking about January sixth. 515 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 16: Jews will never stop talking about the Holocaust, no matter 516 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 16: how much some people don't want to hear them talk 517 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 16: about it. 518 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: The Armenians will never. 519 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 13: Start stop talking about their massacre. These things will never 520 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 13: say you cannot stop talking about it lest people forget 521 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 13: the FBI agents embedded in the crowd on January sixth. 522 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 13: This is Congressman Daryl Issa from California talking to Christopher Ray. 523 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 9: How many individuals were either FBI employees or people that 524 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 9: the FBI had made contact with were in the January 525 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 9: sixth entry of the Capitol and surrounding area. 526 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 12: So I really need to be careful here talking about 527 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 12: where we have or have not used confidential human sources. 528 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: Was there one or more? 529 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 9: Was there one or more individuals that would fit that 530 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 9: discret on January sixth. 531 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: That were in or around the Capitol. 532 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 12: I believe there is a filing in one of the 533 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 12: January sixth cases that can provide a little more information 534 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 12: about this, and I'm happy to see if we can 535 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 12: follow back uple years. 536 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 9: I just want an answer, was there one or more? 537 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 9: I mean, you would know if there was at least 538 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 9: one individual who worked for the FBI who entered the 539 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 9: Capitol on that day. 540 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 12: I can't Again, I just can't speak to that here, 541 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 12: but I'm happy to get the court filing that it's. 542 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 9: Been two years and you're now come before us. The 543 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 9: gentleman asked these questions, makes all kinds of insinuations, and 544 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 9: you nod your head yes, and then I ask you, simply, 545 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 9: was there one or more and you won't answer that. 546 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 9: So I'm going to make the assumption that there was 547 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 9: more than one, more than five, more than ten, and 548 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 9: that you're ducking the question because you don't want to 549 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 9: answer for the fact that you had at least one. 550 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, That is exactly right. Bravo.