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Speaker 1: First question we asked everybody is when you first got

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Speaker 1: to the league, who's the first person to bust you us?

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Speaker 2: I mean the first Yeah, man, the first game, first

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Speaker 2: game I played against King lost one and oh live.

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Speaker 3: He was yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a rand MVP or just a

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Speaker 2: bit something. I don't know, but he had thirty three.

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Speaker 3: In the game.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I watched the game the other day

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Speaker 2: and he had thirty three and I was just looking

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Speaker 2: at how cold he was.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, he the first big man with a crossover.

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Speaker 2: Jamal Mashburn, Jamal Masburn was six eight, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. King got you at the top, and he

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Speaker 2: would do this. You wouldn't know what to do. So

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Speaker 2: I remember, I remember after the game though, being like

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Speaker 2: that jump cook, I'm taking that, I'm taking it. I'm

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Speaker 2: taking it forever. But yeah, he bust man. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: do nothing, nothing but yo yo yo, yo yo. Live

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Speaker 2: on location.

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Speaker 5: Me and the Blackest One is still staying at home

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Speaker 5: here in Orlando, keep it safe in quarantine.

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Speaker 3: But this is a special one. Man. We got a

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Speaker 3: mid West player.

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Speaker 5: Man, one of our all time favorites, one of the

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Speaker 5: best to ever do it. Legendary. This mister fab five,

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Speaker 5: This mister I don't know how much in the league,

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Speaker 5: but this mister cole to shoot game. And now this

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Speaker 5: is mister T N. T. And he might be a

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Speaker 5: professor if you long gone. I don't know, but this

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Speaker 5: is my man, mister C. Chris Webber, I O G

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Speaker 5: appreciate you for joining us this day.

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Speaker 3: It's up, folks, this is up man. Thanks waiting to

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Speaker 3: get on this man. Wait for my turn.

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Speaker 2: Man, and you gotta have you after quarantine because I

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Speaker 2: want to be in that with y'all.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, we gotta get that energy. We gotta get

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Speaker 4: that energy.

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Speaker 3: And little man, and.

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Speaker 5: I love that you just said that you took that

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Speaker 5: jump hook from that game right there, from the first

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Speaker 5: time when of the Dream Prime Dream, I cheme Eliza

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Speaker 5: if he was the first person to or it's ironic

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Speaker 5: that you say you he did that hook to you,

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Speaker 5: and that's what you got from it because B Miles

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Speaker 5: first person to bust his ass ever was you and

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Speaker 5: you did exactly that, and you jump hook in the day.

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Speaker 3: This is the time.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about jump up.

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Speaker 3: B Miles is the victor.

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Speaker 4: I tried to bump you. You posted me up. I

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Speaker 4: tried to bump you.

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Speaker 1: You a bump me and knocked me off my rhythm,

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Speaker 1: so now I couldn't jump. Then the next time down,

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Speaker 1: I tried to noddle it. You put your body on

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Speaker 1: me and then try to jump as high as I can.

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Speaker 1: I tell everybody, I was like, man, that's thirty six

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Speaker 1: and this ain't like it was just all jump hooks.

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Speaker 4: Like he was just jump hooking my ass to death.

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Speaker 2: You stromo swift, A bunch of bunch of y'all young

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Speaker 2: power forward could play three that came in the league.

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Speaker 2: I tried to go because I knew y'all was next man,

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Speaker 2: Like I knew y'all could jump up quick. Y'all drawing

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Speaker 2: other stuff, and I was like, well, they can't block

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Speaker 2: a jump hook. I don't care when nobody saying my

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Speaker 2: feet together. I was trying to y'all and.

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Speaker 3: Know this, me and ke dude, and made sure we

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Speaker 3: reminded him of it.

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Speaker 5: Don't whenever he getting a little talking to you all

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Speaker 5: right now you know we got Sacramento and whenever we're

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Speaker 1: I came to the bench, it just felt like everybody

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Speaker 4: He jump hooky, you better double us. I'm a buck

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Speaker 4: eighty five trying to go on.

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Speaker 1: Trying to go on there and they laughing and ship

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Speaker 1: at me and all that ship. I remember, I just

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Speaker 1: a good games like just jump.

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Speaker 4: Looking it felt so simple.

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Speaker 1: Usually feel like, you know, somebody, I'm gonna make you

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Speaker 1: do like four five moves, You're gonna bring that ship out.

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Speaker 4: That ship seemed like, oh man, it's simple.

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Speaker 3: How weak you let you up? You know?

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Speaker 2: And that helped me get old too, because you know

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Speaker 2: I saw Karl Malone do that with his jump shot.

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Speaker 3: You know, I saw him get older. Man.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see guys like Blake can I'll

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Speaker 2: just start using it man, because you can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't do nothing with it.

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Speaker 1: Man, do you do you notice this Blake don't have

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Speaker 1: a dump this year. That's crazy, that's a crazy stuf.

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Speaker 1: I just saying that ship out of that Blake don't

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Speaker 3: Year, you know, So I'm not to commentation. We just talked.

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Speaker 3: We just hoopers right now. Like I was looking at that.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it because I got injured and I

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Speaker 3: And I told a friend last year, I was like,

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Speaker 3: it don't look good. Ah, you said. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you because I wasn't looking good, you

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Speaker 3: crazy because he could shoot the three.

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Speaker 2: He's a great passer, but he might not be in

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Speaker 2: a type of office to let him play his style

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Speaker 2: because you look at him.

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Speaker 3: Man, it's crazy to think that Lebron is four years

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Speaker 3: older than him.

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Speaker 2: Right when you look at him, it's crazy, and we

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Speaker 2: think of all the great things Blake done. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: it hurt me to see great athletes, you know, injury

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Speaker 4: It hurts. Man.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like he should have played in my era,

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Speaker 2: in the era before, you know what I mean, when

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Speaker 2: they banging and just going because right now him being

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Speaker 2: a power forward really a center in today's game, you

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Speaker 2: game might be able to take you off the ribbling

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Speaker 2: you hurting with the knee.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: I remember going to against Lamar I broke, I hurt

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Speaker 3: I'll get it now. Hell just I'm like, hell, like,

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Speaker 3: I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 5: I take my hat off to Blake though, because he

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Speaker 5: I mean, like you said, without him having done some stuff,

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Speaker 5: he didn't reinvented his game shooting threes like you said,

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Speaker 5: facilitate and being able to score out the post in

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Speaker 3: So I mean he put his work in. You can

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, definitely put his work in, and it

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Speaker 2: seemed like he's still enjoying the game. I just mean,

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Speaker 2: just personally, I remember when my mind would tell me

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I remember every day you struggling, you

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Speaker 2: reinventing yourself and you're going through it, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. And I just personally, I just see that

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Speaker 3: How you doing it? But I just don't like seeing

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Speaker 3: the brothers. You know, when it was that athletic.

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Speaker 1: Before I got hurt, I could never see another player

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Speaker 1: where they knee was hurt, dragging their leg and you

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Speaker 1: see playing like, nah, he hurt, he dragging his leg.

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Speaker 1: But when I got hurt and I had the feeling,

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Speaker 4: You can tell players.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, he dragging his leg. I looked at

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook when they played the Brooklyn Nets, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, man, he had a great game, but he

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Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, he can't get his

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Speaker 2: But you could see because I noticed, like Whenever got

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Speaker 5: Funny, I'm like, oh that's you know, like they used

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Speaker 5: to them air brakes ain't working. Country Day High School

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Speaker 5: where it all started. Country Day High School. How was

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Speaker 5: it was you went state championship one.

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Speaker 1: Missed him basketball, But but that transition of your life, Like,

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Speaker 1: how was Country Day High School for you?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: So many people don't know this, bro, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: want to go to the country day, you know, from

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Speaker 2: the city of Detroit. My mother teach in the city

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Speaker 2: And so I had an au team, you know, half

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Speaker 2: I'm mad at my parents out you know, my father,

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Speaker 2: I'm upset from going to the school. You got to

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Speaker 2: and I didn't want to be there. So my first

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Speaker 2: she like, I'm gonna win this, You're gonna do it.

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Speaker 2: So once I realized what a blessing that school was,

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing shit like, oh, they playing you know, they

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Speaker 3: I'm playing everybody because it's you know, you know what

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, that's what it is. I asked

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Speaker 2: our coach. We petitioned the state. We move up to

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Speaker 2: Class B, and the next year we went to Class

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Speaker 2: B and right now, the best high school in the world,

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Speaker 2: the coldest players in the world play for Southwestern.

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Speaker 3: You know, you think of a team, think listener, who

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Speaker 2: Howard Iley, Vishan Leonard three point winner and long winking

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So this is high school dog six eelved point guard

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Speaker 2: in high school. Both was shooting threes like he was

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Speaker 2: in the league in high school and team I wanted

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Speaker 2: Class A and the state wouldn't let us go to

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Speaker 2: Class A. So when you asked me how was my

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Speaker 2: high school, it's that in a nuts show. I didn't

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Speaker 2: want to be there. The dudes of my age team

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Speaker 2: And then we went from C to B and tried

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Speaker 2: want to be again. So it was dope back in

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Speaker 2: three high school state championship.

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Speaker 3: So uh, man, I met Juwan. It's so fun. I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Juwan, and it was crazy because you know

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Speaker 2: I remember we got into a fight our teams at

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Speaker 2: We were really close to this whole family rested store.

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Speaker 5: just the same. No, So this was this to day

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Speaker 3: And then we got like you know, our coaches, Larry Butler,

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Speaker 2: And it was like, yeah, it was cool, you know

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Speaker 3: Else in New York. He could dribble.

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Speaker 2: So but on the team with Juana's me James Juan

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Speaker 3: He went to Deep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, game, me and him. Cherokee Parks on the US.

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Speaker 5: But so way, dow y'all had three of y'alls, y'all,

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Speaker 2: It was Juano dark because you really now, everybody play

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Speaker 3: All of us can go there. We dogs. You know

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Speaker 2: That's why when you see him talking later about shock

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Speaker 3: Man, I say, he came in and hit the carriage.

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Speaker 3: Look at Juan was so fresh man like.

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Speaker 2: He was telling you we go to Chicago, be like

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Speaker 5: I used to mess with him. You like, yo, bro,

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Speaker 5: you got what hey? All right, tell me what you're doing, bro, Like,

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Speaker 5: ain't nobody I'm talking about? Back to bag, don't matter

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Speaker 3: Like? He cutting his own head man. He used to

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Speaker 5: Hey man, that's listen, that's my for my whole career.

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Speaker 5: When I say Jawan and Finn, Mike Finn, those was

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Speaker 5: him and Finn sitting there icing up, reading their papers

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Speaker 3: Know them boy had it.

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Speaker 5: They gonna come in something, something foreign and you ain't

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Speaker 5: And I used to be like dog Jawan and Finn

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Speaker 3: Dudes, the coolest.

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Speaker 4: Dudes, got all the bread.

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Speaker 5: Was still super down the earth, talk to the young boys,

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Speaker 5: And just like I was like, DoD, that's who I

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Speaker 5: I used to always look at Finn and it might

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, because Finn we played them in Wisconsin and

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Speaker 3: That was Jerry Crall. You didn't want to see he

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Speaker 2: Was like, whoa you know, so Chicago we always had

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Speaker 3: It was word of mouth.

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Speaker 2: Like I remember being in the punk being like Liberty roll.

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Speaker 2: I mean, somebody must have showed me, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, doing that right the Illinois team. I want

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Speaker 3: We was the ship out. But if it wasn't for

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Speaker 2: And if it wasn't for the eighty nine Illinois's team,

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Speaker 3: Game off of.

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Speaker 2: Off of those two teams. Eighty nine team. Everybody to

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Speaker 2: switch the shorts for a little bit longer, you know

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Thought he was Jordan walking

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Was it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So, man, I was going to Michigan State and I

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Speaker 2: with the coaches. You know, you're on a visit. You

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Speaker 2: do what the coaches say, like you ain't tripping, you

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Speaker 2: This ain't Michigan football. Minnesota terrible, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: We got one hundred thousand fans. I don't even know

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Speaker 2: But it was a good, you know, good team all that.

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Speaker 2: But Shan was going there, so I was thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know what that was.

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Speaker 2: And they showed that someone from Michigan State had taken

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Speaker 3: It made it the big thing. And so Coach Izzo.

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Speaker 2: it makes it look like you did, and it makes

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Speaker 3: It was just it was just weird, man.

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Speaker 5: So after that time, it was.

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Speaker 3: Just really you know, I always wanted to go to Michigan. Joer.

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Speaker 3: Under stand, Michigan was terrible to you. I mean, my

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Speaker 2: I went the duke and visited him. I knew him

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Speaker 2: just as long as I know Jawan. You know, it

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: King is there and Ray Jackson seeing y'all confidence, y'all

445
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 1: rooted for each other so much.

446
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 4: I feel like we came up under that area.

447
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 1: So when we got together and got on the level,

448
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 1: it's like that was just how you supposed to play.

449
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 4: We seen y'all play.

450
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 1: Y'all was so exciting to be so young, and it

451
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: seemed like y'all was playing street ball, which I wasn't, but.

452
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 4: Y'all was, you know what I'm saying.

453
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 1: It was like the five kids from the street that

454
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,680
Speaker 1: listen to rap music that you know what I'm saying,

455
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 1: had a whole swag of the street. And everybody didn't

456
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 1: want you in this big Everybody didn't want y'all to

457
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 1: succeed the way y'all succeed, but y'all did.

458
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 3: Like, how was that like?

459
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 4: Adding them? And then when you officially get the five?

460
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,200
Speaker 2: Ray Jackson called me last night and told something like

461
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 2: this today with the anniversary of us all playing together

462
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 2: or something like that, and you know it's when a

463
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 2: mister doing like this series about the Five, and I

464
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 2: would just say this, My main thing is trying to

465
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 2: show everybody who we are individually. So when we come

466
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 2: together you'd be like, damn they brothers already they don't

467
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 2: even know it. They done went through the same thing.

468
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like think of you know,

469
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: people shouldn't even be here, you know what I mean?

470
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I'm saying, We.

471
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: Blessed man, We could do this on TV, act like

472
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 2: this and all that we should not be here. Everybody's

473
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 2: from a neighborhood that they should be dead, you know

474
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 2: what I mean, like everybody, and so to be able

475
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: to make it out, to be able to you know,

476
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 2: have a father that didn't do this and didn't do that,

477
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: but new discipline to have you know, you know Jay's mother,

478
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 2: she working at the factory.

479
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 3: She to take that to be tough, be tough. Mama

480
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 3: doing this better, you know what I mean, you better

481
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,719
Speaker 3: bes far. So it was it was like we were

482
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 3: built for it, man, because we knew we were representing us.

483
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: We knew at this time they were talking greasy commentators

484
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 2: about absoletes. If you were black, you were only athletic.

485
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: You know, at this time, you gotta remember this still

486
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: was the thought in people had that you couldn't be.

487
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 3: A back quarterback.

488
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: You got to remember the time man. You know this time,

489
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: they weren't playing hip hop in the middle of games,

490
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. We asked Michigan to play

491
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 2: hip hop in the middle of games.

492
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: We asked for that. You know, after the games, we

493
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 3: jumping on the side banners with hip hop. They thought

494
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 3: we lost our mind.

495
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: You got to forty thousand people in Michigan and maybe

496
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: eight hundred black people at this time, you know, so

497
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: we wanted what the kids calling now to smoke. We

498
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: wanted it because we just felt like we was gonna

499
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: earnt our way.

500
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: We felt like.

501
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 2: Nobody loved us when nobody giving us love except those

502
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: at home, so fuck everybody else.

503
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 3: All we got is us.

504
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 5: When y'all make that splash, like you say, you got

505
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 5: all that coming at y'all and then y'all coming together,

506
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 5: Like how was that for y'all, the five kids, y'all

507
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 5: five freshmen, Like I know, like you know what I'm saying.

508
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 5: After the game, when y'all killed somebody, your ball out

509
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 5: and y'all just smacked out, Like how that feel like

510
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 5: when you knew Jay, y'all going back to the dorm

511
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 5: or wherever y'all going to get something to eat, like

512
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 5: for y'all to be going up against what y'all was

513
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 5: going and I know y'all had no clue y'all was

514
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 5: changing the culture and making the impact y'all was making.

515
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 5: But just like in those moments as five freshmen and

516
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 5: y'all doing what y'all doing, how crazy was that felt?

517
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 4: Good?

518
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 3: Man?

519
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: I mean because again we didn't know, so we enjoying

520
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 2: the moment. So to watch Desmond Howard, you know when

521
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: the Heisman.

522
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 3: That year, to go to football man, to go to

523
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: the party after, you know what I mean, it was like,

524
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: you know that was the same time. Yeah, you know,

525
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: it was just and it's a football school, so to

526
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: get in love there like we did, you know, it

527
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: was it was just good man.

528
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 2: Your mom's coming to the games, cooking for y'all after

529
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: and you know at this time, you know, we're taking

530
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: video games on the road, you know. I remember, I

531
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: think maybe to the Final four something. I had to

532
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: carry everybody's bags. I lost in Techmo, Matt whatever it was.

533
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: It was just it was just kids, man.

534
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: And you know, anytime you get a little high mody

535
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 2: or something like that, I think back to those times

536
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: because we had the potential.

537
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: We had all this and it was just about those

538
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: little moments being in the room. You know. I remember

539
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: we were watching the Dunk Contest. We won one game

540
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: and then ran home to watch the Dunk contest when

541
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 3: Sean Kemp should have won, and I've been on Sean,

542
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: I had to do like a hundred push ups. You

543
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, it's just it was just love,

544
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: because it was just love. It was just love, man,

545
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 3: it was just we just love straight up.

546
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: I want to talk about like the Big Ten that

547
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: the visit y'all was in. I hate Cabercheny to the

548
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: day because because the visitor, the bat used to kick

549
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: our heads over there.

550
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

551
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: Then you had Big Dog and Purdue with Kule Marton.

552
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like Big Ten really prepared

553
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: y'all for, you know, going against them big time schools,

554
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: and then when you get to the tournament, it's like, man,

555
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: y'all battle ready? How big was the Big Ten? And

556
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: the competition that was in the Big Ten for y'all?

557
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: Big Ten was crazy.

558
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: Only players I ever was like, oh oh here they

559
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: come was mash Burn and you know he's from the SEC,

560
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: but it was that Bakeler, Robinson that we ain't seen

561
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 2: nothing like him.

562
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: He was the line in saying for the three don't

563
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: get enough respe He's the line in college.

564
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: Before him and Mash there was no big guys that

565
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: they would allow to do this like magic and stuff, maybe,

566
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: but nobody in the middle of the game cross over

567
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: here and he's shooting step back three. He's doing things

568
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: that even if you could do, you were not giving

569
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: the green light at this time to do it. So

570
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: like Jawan would check him, Like Jawam's our best defender,

571
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: we would switched on dick Man.

572
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: So if we played a guy like a Crol, we

573
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 3: would switched.

574
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: We had at that time to post double that many

575
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: people aren't doing it because the Big ten has so

576
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: many good players like Jimmy Jackson and Camera change Man.

577
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: Come on, man, they were so cold and so we

578
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: always had to be ready.

579
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: So that competition really helped us with all that style

580
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: and as physical as it was, and it's almost like

581
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: playing in the East Coast and then getting to go

582
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: on the West Coast trip. You know your team gonna

583
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: get to run there. Coach can't even really stop it.

584
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: So in the tournament we was like, oh yeah, now

585
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: we get to shine. That's why we played better in

586
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: the tournament, I think because it was really more our

587
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: style of play with the big ten that you got us.

588
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Ready, straight up, Jimmy Jackson Ohio State, he was a

589
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: ball or too.

590
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: He's a grown man. Man, he's a grown man.

591
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, remember this stuff.

592
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: The success I had to go all the way down

593
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: and go to the championship and the next year, like

594
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: we get it.

595
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 4: We're gonna get it again, to go to go to

596
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: back to back chips.

597
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: How was that?

598
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 4: Like that? That was the motivation every year. Like every year,

599
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: it was just like, man, we can do it.

600
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: Man. So the first year we go to the finals,

601
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: you know, we almost beat Duke at the crib. We

602
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 3: know we can beat them all this and then they

603
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 3: showed us.

604
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: You know, Christian Layton, in my opinion, is the best

605
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: college player in my lifetime, not including like you know,

606
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: Kareem Walton and them. It wasn't nothing like Christian Laighton

607
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: a fourth championship or whatever he did, and he just

608
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: had game. Like again, they weren't allowing players to play

609
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: like they are now. Players a day are the most

610
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: talented we've ever seen. The players that had talent back then,

611
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: you can't, you couldn't do it. So Christian Layton was

612
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: the first one. The pump flake could do this, could

613
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: do that and play with others in pass and they

614
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: had a pro style offense, and so they showed us

615
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: in the championship.

616
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: Bobby Hurley had like eighteen Bobby Early killed killed us.

617
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: You know.

618
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: So that first one we were humbled and it was

619
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: just like, oh yeah, like you know, nobody believing in

620
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: us to make it. We're not happy that we just

621
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: made it. We're gonna get back here together, you know

622
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And that was again, that was our goal,

623
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: and it was it was more of a relief, damned

624
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: to make it to the championship and not because that

625
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: was our goal.

626
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: That's the only reason everybody.

627
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: Was everybody see y'all now, yeah, everybody see y'all now

628
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: to the first year they knew y'all was rich.

629
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: That's breaking the game for y'all to come. Yeah, and

630
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: we wanted it, and we was like we're gonna earn it,

631
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: you know. That was the time of earning it, Like

632
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a great story. Ye know.

633
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: First we don't get the second one, you do, and

634
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: so you know, we got through UCLA, and that's the

635
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: game I thought maybe they was gonna get us.

636
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: We were down like eighteen or something in the first half.

637
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: We come back and when that and we had beaten

638
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: North Carolina earlier in the tournament by want them to

639
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: tip me in just the last second tip in, So

640
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: we knew that was gonna be a close game. But

641
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: I knew, you know, I had an advantage over this.

642
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: I knew Jay had an advantage over this, you know,

643
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: And so I really, you know, we we knew we

644
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: were gonna win that game, but we knew we were

645
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: gonna have to earn it. And so for me personally

646
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: being down, losing the game, calling the time out when

647
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: we were down and two more point so it's.

648
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: A wrap now, you know. That's why you say, you know,

649
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: how was it to go through it in the beginning?

650
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: It was that love that got me through that then,

651
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because it was like we family,

652
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So to get to that

653
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: point and to not win it was it was like, damn,

654
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna gonna come.

655
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: Back next year. Let's do it. Let's do it and

656
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: come gays.

657
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: Like, man, you let it go, you know, no one,

658
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 4: you can't.

659
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 5: Listen. I'm lying if I don't say that. I was

660
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 5: sitting there Sautier's head at the crib.

661
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 4: I was like I already.

662
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 5: I can't say that I cried, but I could definitely

663
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 5: remember being Sauty because.

664
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: I was all there. You know. That was like y'all

665
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: was y'all was the youth, so it was like that

666
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: was the team for everybody.

667
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 4: Like Bro.

668
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 5: I can remember to this day like the first time

669
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 5: I ever got one of those all gold Michigan letters, Bro,

670
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 5: the recruitment letters. It wasn't even handwritten or nothing. It

671
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 5: was just the fact that you know how you're getting

672
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 5: them letters and better that that yellow.

673
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: Ain't can't that what I said? I came out, I said, boy,

674
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: I got that looking at that from my home boys,

675
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: like yeah, boy, like, ain't look you know, that's like

676
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: just talking with you a year. But I just like

677
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: I had everything because of what y'all did.

678
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was one of my emotional moments in my life.

679
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 4: I don't cry too much, especially sports.

680
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't cry too much, but one of my emotional

681
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: moments when my Mama had to console me after that

682
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: because I just couldn't believe it like, no, this ain't happening.

683
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: And I remember, I remember I had a moment like

684
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: that a couple of years earlier when Isaiah turning over

685
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: and passed it away against the symptoms. And I was

686
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: just trying so much that my little brother got a

687
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: whooping that I never It was just everybody just going crazy.

688
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: It was like, hold on, calm down, everything's gonna be

689
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: all right. I got to break up front and stuff.

690
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, it was. It was tough. But then man,

691
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: it's so crazy. People get you through it, man.

692
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: And so you know, going from something that happened, like

693
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, your worst moment and you know, the sports

694
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: don't allow you to sit and you know, to crack

695
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: you long, you know what I.

696
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: Mean, like after because I'm like you, I'm down, I'm

697
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: hurt with them.

698
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: Do bubbah blum come back, come and do this and

699
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: do that, and man, talk to the fellas and understand,

700
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, I have a chance to go number one pick.

701
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: Because again the time was different, So no sophomore like

702
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: the year before. Shack left right.

703
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: Shack left as a junior two years ago. Derrick Coleman left.

704
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: Derrick Coleman left. I think it's a scene. So it

705
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: wasn't that culture. So for me, you know, play broke

706
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: players but still all this.

707
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: But it was like, oh, you can't leave. And so

708
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: for me to leave as a sophomore, it hadn't been

709
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: done since Magic for seventy nine. And I was like,

710
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: what is this? Because you know, while as you talk.

711
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: About going in there and and playing against somebody myself,

712
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: I had to check shacking and I'm ain't you know

713
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

714
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: So I was like, man, what is what is this

715
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: gonna be like? But you know, God is good. Man home,

716
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: I lick my wounds.

717
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: I definitely cried. I definitely questioned God. I definitely went

718
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: to the depths. And then you know, talk with Pops

719
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: and you realize where he's from, what he been through

720
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: and what he had to do to get here. And

721
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: then you talk to your mother and she brings in

722
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: right after it, like three days later, she comes in

723
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: with a license plate to sell her time out and

724
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: she I'm like, what's this? What the what the devil

725
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: linth the bad baby guy's gonna do for good? We

726
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: don't start a charity and the hood and people I'm

727
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: going around telling my stories, you know what I mean,

728
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm about to go to the NBA's

729
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: number one pick, and I called the time out. You

730
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: going through this in real life, this is your time out.

731
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do right now? We both got to

732
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: see we could both quit. We can both quit get up, you.

733
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

734
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: So I definitely took that as you know, I'm strong

735
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: enough to handle it, and God want that to be

736
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: part of my story.

737
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: I wouldn't that's a whole nothing.

738
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even change that, cause it's part to me

739
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: that I know that are fulfilling of strengthen because I've

740
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: gone through some crazy things and I'm hearing and I

741
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: understand the power and the grace of God, you know,

742
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: and so for going through things, come on, this is

743
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: what happened. That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna have

744
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: to fight and have to get up. But so at

745
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: that point it was cool that that I have people

746
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: around that really wouldn't let you fall. And then after that,

747
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, two months the draft right, enough time

748
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: for crime. You better get ready cause I ain't even

749
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: thinking about that over there, So you know, it was

750
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: it was It was definitely a learning period.

751
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: You know, hey, let me ask you this because I

752
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 5: remember watching the watching the thirties for thirty on y'all, Right, Like,

753
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 5: at what point did you guys started realizing, Like did

754
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 5: y'all was Like y'all was impacting and changing the culture.

755
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: Like I saw y'all wore the black shirts when you

756
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 5: saw the you know, Nike was selling y'all stuff and

757
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 5: you know, selling y'all stuff in the store, Like, at

758
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 5: what point did y'all realize that y'all was really doing

759
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 5: things that was being emulated and y'all was making that

760
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 5: type of impact.

761
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: So, uh, it was one day. This changed everything for me.

762
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: It's one day and on campus and this writer talks

763
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: about it. I think he did a big article back

764
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: then in college. So we in school, it's a different day.

765
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: I'm with my boy that plays football and we just hungry,

766
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: and I guess the reporters with us. He's following us

767
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: and we just hanging out, you know, probably looking girls

768
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: or whatever.

769
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: I don't know what we're doing.

770
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: And we go into the subway shop. I want the

771
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: chicken subway. I want some hot sheet or I got

772
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: my little dab one drinks and everything. We don't have

773
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: enough money to get it.

774
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

775
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: We come out, we put the money together, tell the

776
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: sandwich eating and I remember he laughing at us, and

777
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: we just like whatever, you know, it's a good day.

778
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: Like that's nothing to us, right, that's regular day, right, right,

779
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: that's no, But to him is something.

780
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: So when I'm walking down the street and I look

781
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: in the school store and it's the first time out

782
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: was something my Michigan jersey and this might be eight

783
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: games into the season or something like that, because I'm like,

784
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I want one. I want to you know, everybody asked

785
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: me for one at home, and I'm like, where do

786
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: you had one?

787
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: And I see people buying them in the store and

788
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, my name, you know what I mean, Like

789
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: my name's on the back of that, you know. And

790
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 3: then that was the moment for me I realized, oh wow,

791
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: you know.

792
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: And then that summer when we came home, when your

793
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: family and friends talked to you, but remember there's no

794
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: cell phone, so you ain't talking to you. Boy, it's

795
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: like we don't even you know, know how big we'll

796
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: till to that moment when our jersey's on campus. And

797
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: then you go home in the summer, and you do

798
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: like local basketball camps like Isai want you to do

799
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: his basketball campus and that. You know, you're like, whoa,

800
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: what's going on?

801
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: So people giving you advice, you know what I'm saying,

802
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 3: So you know, you start feeling the love. Do I

803
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: remember saying?

804
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 4: Them jersey and j C.

805
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: Penny My mom bought me the Michigan jersey, but they

806
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: had the cabal chainy jersey. They had to shine respite

807
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: jersey like like and they only show them in like.

808
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 3: Back today. But that's crazy. But not he got him

809
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 3: with respect. He's got him so respect. We're not even

810
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: the best shooter in his family his pops. Man. That's

811
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: how cold that family is. Man, His family cold man,

812
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: Its family cold.

813
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: Hey, So let me ask you this, like who whose

814
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 5: idea was it for y'all to for y'all to go

815
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 5: that big with the baggy shorts, to wear the black socks.

816
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: To ball y'all here? Like who was at the center

817
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: of the swag man? It was all of us so

818
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: black socks. That was Ray Jackson. It was Ray Jackson

819
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: and Texans boys man, the Texas boys crazy man, and

820
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 3: they got hard.

821
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: You know that Ray Jackson, that Ray Jackson. We wanted

822
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: in on that Ray Jackson alone. He had to wear

823
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: the black socks. And it's crazy because we had a

824
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: real good lesson from that as the fire fire because

825
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: we only wore the black socks all finalists. And then

826
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: Coach Fish pulled me into the office and he was like,

827
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: you know, I get it, but you know everybody should

828
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: have had black socks. Right, we're the team, right, so

829
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: the next game we all have you know what I mean.

830
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: So you know that was a little thing.

831
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 4: And the ball head that was me.

832
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: I loved switching stuff up. I thought I was a

833
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: big day came on day or you know a ball

834
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, he switched up and the shorts.

835
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: This was funny. So this is part of the short story.

836
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: The veterans that wasn't playing on the bench right doing

837
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 3: veterans or seniors or whatever because the short situation was terrible.

838
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: We went to them and we just bribed them, like, hey, god,

839
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: can I remember it was forty four long. I remember

840
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: that's what everybody wanted. Because we don't have everybody want

841
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: and uh so a couple of games we was just playing.

842
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: It looked real bad and if you look, we sagging

843
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: most of the time putting them down with the tights

844
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: really showing because they still not long enough. And then

845
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: I remember Coach Fisher making us earn them. And that's

846
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: when people don't understand we was giving nothing if we

847
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: wanted something like that. You know, if we wanted long

848
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: shorts or something, you have to earn it in practice.

849
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: Usually Back then, again, it was different just running for

850
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: no reason, but just running, you know what I mean?

851
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: Back then, I remember when we all picked the Hrachs.

852
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: I remember when we all with a bunch of other shoes.

853
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: It was four or five six shoes, and I remember, like,

854
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: I want them, and then Barty was my favorite player,

855
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't, No way, we wouldn't go wearing them.

856
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: The Chucks with the strap over the black toe, that's

857
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: still some of my Some of my favorite Chucks is

858
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: Everybody Man.

859
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: One of the things that we almost got in this lifetime.

860
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: We almost got Shack and Chris Webber to play together.

861
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that, like man like y'all

862
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: would have dominated like dominated dominated, Like do you ever

863
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: think about that? What could have been if you would

864
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: have went to Orlando and played with man?

865
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: I do, because all I wanted to do is play

866
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: my position? I told him back then, I said, I'm

867
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: an amateur triple double. I said, they're gonna give it

868
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: to me at the freak thew line and drive and

869
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: throw that the truck each time.

870
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: What can they do? I mean, I wanted he already

871
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: did that with Grant. But I will say this.

872
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: So what happened is I caught the time out right.

873
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: So I told you I went to this place, and

874
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: then I just went in to grind mode. Like I

875
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: went in the grind mode. It was it was refreshing,

876
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: it was free and all that. I wasn't thinking about nothing.

877
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: I didn't do any commercials. I turned down all money

878
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: appearances because I was like, you know, you're in the

879
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: mode punishing yourself, earning it whatever.

880
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: You want to say. And so it's a movie called

881
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: Blue Chips, and I was gonna do the role and

882
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: I didn't.

883
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: And so first of all, we beat Penny Hardaware at

884
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: AAU my last year, and I knew how good Penny

885
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: Hardware is when the coldus ever, so I know how

886
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: knew it this shit. I would probably draft him for

887
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: Shock coming off Magic and Kareem, but for me, I

888
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: didn't go they want I was gonna do this movie

889
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: Blue Chips.

890
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't want to act. I'm

891
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: gonna go work out. So I chose to work out.

892
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: But at Blue Chips every day they built them an

893
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: arena and every day or gym. Every day they worked.

894
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: And so Shaq told me, I mean, we talk about

895
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: this all the time. Shaq was like, man, Penny was

896
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: in there. Penny was in there going off. Man.

897
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: He was like, I played with Penny for two weeks

898
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: while we did the movie, you know, and so you know,

899
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, I wanted to play with Penny.

900
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 5: I was like, I got it.

901
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: The second the trade happened. I got it and I

902
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: didn't even care. I was happy to go to the

903
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: West Coast and be with Mothery Tim Hardaway.

904
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 4: So it was all love.

905
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: As far as yeah, I wanted to play with the

906
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: big man, I did. I didn't want to play with

907
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: the big man. That would have been crazy.

908
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 4: Man, that was crazy the time.

909
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, out have been instigating ship because I

910
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: I bet you can't break the backboard, I bet you

911
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: can't talk on him.

912
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: And you know he gonna go for it.

913
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, he don't want to know from nobody. You know,

914
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: oh man, I wanted players like that to play with

915
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: just yeah, doubt so.

916
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 5: So tell me this right after you like you say

917
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 5: everything you had been through up to that point, then

918
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 5: you you know what I'm saying, I'll be able to

919
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 5: trade and everything. How was that moment when you got

920
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 5: to get up on that stay as the number one

921
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 5: pick in Shake David starring hand.

922
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: Doug.

923
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 2: I still think that's the best basketball moment of my life.

924
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: You gotta realize, I grew up in Detroit. Go to

925
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 2: the school in the suburbs, want to rept Detroit. There's

926
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: no love for Detroit, no love for Detroit. Go to Michigan.

927
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: We want to win for that. Uh, we shocked the world.

928
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: I call the time out.

929
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: Now you're down in the lows and then you come

930
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: out here and the draft is in Detroit. You know

931
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. The draft is thirty minutes from the house.

932
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: It's a party plan in an hour and a half.

933
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

934
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: It's it's the most unbelievable feeling I had. Like it's

935
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: the loudest still I think I've been in an a

936
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: ringa because it was all you know, Michigan people there

937
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: it was all love. It was like me saying thank

938
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: you for making me. It was like I'm saying thank

939
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: you for entertaining us and repping us.

940
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: It was that moment was so loud.

941
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: I thought the peace sign, I swear my hand with shaking.

942
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: I was just trying to just keep it together, you

943
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean. My father, that's the second time

944
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: I seen my popscry.

945
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: I'm right.

946
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, Dad, you're really gonna do this now. All

947
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: the shit you've been talking, come on, man, Like, don't

948
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: play with that, you know what I mean? So yeah,

949
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 3: it you know, James, there, I had my brothers.

950
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: Everybody was them, and that was That's the next thing

951
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: to fuel me because I had to keep that going,

952
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: you know, the honor them.

953
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: Man. That was That was the best moment. Man, That

954
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: definitely was the best moment. I say the same thing.

955
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 5: I literally just got asked that question the other day

956
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 5: and I say, you know, like as far as like before,

957
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 5: I mean, even with the wins or whatever, you know,

958
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 5: I want a three point contest, never won a championship nothing.

959
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 3: I say that to this day.

960
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 5: That's my because that's what that's what allowed everything to happen,

961
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 5: is that moment was like I always said, if I

962
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 5: make it, they ain't getting.

963
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 3: Rid of me for a long time. So like that

964
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: was like that was it right there? Like once I

965
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: got in, it was like, all right, I gotta deal

966
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: with me. For your families life changed then your kids, kids,

967
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: kids lives changed that day. You know what I mean,

968
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: Like if you keep it, buy with it, you know

969
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, yeah, man, you can't take that

970
00:41:59,320 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: moment for granted.

971
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: Man, I used to sleep in Jordan's like sleeping my

972
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: shoes dreaming about that, you know what I mean.

973
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: Like posters on the wall. Now, that's why when I

974
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: do that, I just it's the dream.

975
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 4: Man.

976
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: You can't you can't just pass the moment. You get

977
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: to the dream. So that that to me is the best.

978
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 4: Moment straight up.

979
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: You get to go to State, Tim Hardaway, Chris Mullen,

980
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: you know a half of run TMC's there.

981
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: Spring and you have a coach like Nelly that's a

982
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: get him and go coach. I loved you over there,

983
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: like like I loved you.

984
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 3: It goes. I thought. I was like, you couldn't go

985
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 3: with He's.

986
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Been waiting for you, couldn't You couldn't go with Shaq,

987
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: Like I was like, man, that's like that new era,

988
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: Like it was like the trends, Like you just left

989
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: Michigan set of the trend. Now you with with Nelly

990
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: and he trying to bring an offense that today's this

991
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: is what all the teams is doing. But back then,

992
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was a point guard and the big

993
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: man's get under the goal. But he kind of was

994
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: putting stuff in you that you didn't do. How was

995
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: that because I know it.

996
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: Was like up and down with Delli, but yeah it's

997
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: up and down with Nelly as a person, but as

998
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: a coach, you know, he knows the extll nos.

999
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: When I got there, man, I got to the league

1000
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: like that was the league. Everything in basketball clicked to

1001
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: me because I get how you gotta do a lot

1002
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: of things that don't make sense. But it got to

1003
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: me like, Okay, you practiced, but no, we scrimmaged in

1004
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: forty five minutes.

1005
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 3: Everybody out of you. Like what I'm talking about?

1006
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: You going hard?

1007
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: You going hard? I mean you're going hard. Up We're

1008
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 3: doing shooting drills and there's no playing around the shooting

1009
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: ribs because you know I'm shooting and you know then

1010
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: I'm watching Money. He's sweating off the first shooting drill

1011
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: and I seen him make seventeen in a row, the

1012
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: first drill over Staw, So I really Money makes seventeen

1013
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: the row between free throw line and baseline, you know,

1014
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: tippy toe shooting.

1015
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, Spree, he being up hard

1016
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: in every little thing, you know. And then the shot clock.

1017
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: I didn't get the shot clock. I just didn't get it.

1018
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: You know, you get a rebound, you take it out.

1019
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: So getting up there, man, it was the.

1020
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: Best experience because you learned your exit and os He

1021
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: put me with veterans. It was just messed up that

1022
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: my first day of practice, I walk in and the

1023
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: minute I walk in after press conference, Tim Hargenway, I

1024
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: hear scream on the side and he toards me up.

1025
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 3: So I never got to play one play with him.

1026
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: Billy Owens was like a big brother to me.

1027
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: Spree too, Oh man, those two Billy Owens in today's game.

1028
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 4: Hey, Billy Old was so smooth. Man. I love Billy.

1029
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: Oh today's game.

1030
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: He pull I mean so coming to the league man

1031
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: and playing for that team, it was the best.

1032
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: We didn't want to break it up.

1033
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: I talked to spree and video about that more than

1034
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: anything I talk about in basketball.

1035
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: We talk about not evenssed up. She should have kept

1036
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: us together more more than anything I talk about in basketball.

1037
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: That was the best I have to know.

1038
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 5: How did you have a what type of gangster contract

1039
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 5: that you have where you was able to exercise some

1040
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 5: shit after one year and say peace?

1041
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: I don't like what time out?

1042
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 5: Like?

1043
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: What type of that? Was a godfather contract you had had?

1044
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: A How did that work? I've never heard that. I

1045
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: didn't even know that. Like obviously back then I wasn't

1046
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: paying attention to all that, But how did that work?

1047
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: So they put it like this? They changed the rule

1048
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: after that, just the weapon rule.

1049
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that you shout after Foually shot

1050
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 2: Earn and Bill strictness. So I get these two brothers

1051
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: to be my agent and we're just talking. Really, I

1052
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: just want money, get me to the league, to leave

1053
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: me alone. I don't really care about this. You know,

1054
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: your first couple of years, you're not thinking about anything

1055
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: but playing. And he brought me and he's like, look,

1056
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: I think I'd like to do something.

1057
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: You talk to you.

1058
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: You have these deals for these deals for you and

1059
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what the average player was making, and

1060
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: it wasn't you know nowhere to what it is now.

1061
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: And he said, check it out. He said, you don't

1062
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: even get paid for how good you're. You get paid

1063
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: for what he drafted and whose contract you come up

1064
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: under next. And he was like, you know, it's been

1065
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: some really bad deals in the league, it's been some

1066
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: good ones. You may have to take risks. You may not,

1067
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: he said, on this one, you might take a little risk.

1068
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 2: I said what he said, I'm gonna sign a deal

1069
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: fifteen years and seventy five million. It was the largest

1070
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: contract ever at the time, and it was seventy five

1071
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: million guaranteed and no contract.

1072
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: I've ever been down. And you gotta remember Dick Shack

1073
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: was before me. So he said, we're gonna do it.

1074
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: Well, we make it out after the first year, you'd

1075
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: be a free agent after your first year. I said, okay,

1076
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: you know, I pray and as the Lord to keep

1077
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: me healthy all year, and you know after that then

1078
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: you can do whatever you want.

1079
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: And so that next year.

1080
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: The reason why I didn't go to back to Golden

1081
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: State wasn't because of me and Nelly part of it.

1082
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: It was because he didn't fight for me to come

1083
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: back for the contract. But it was just contract negotiations.

1084
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 3: That's all it was. I was a free agent. I

1085
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: was a free agent and rookie.

1086
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 4: Of the year.

1087
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: You know, imagine the football is take that Jackson and

1088
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: Lamar and I'm all in that same four year deal.

1089
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: What if they could sign the same deal as Patrick

1090
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: mahoons after the first year. You know, that really changed basketball.

1091
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: And they made sure they addressed that on the next

1092
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: collective bar and agreement as you couldn't do, you know

1093
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So that was good and bad, great

1094
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: for business. But you know, I would love to stay

1095
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: and Golden State because I'm the number one player, the

1096
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: number one free agent, and you know, they make calls

1097
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: and they know me played a lot and where are

1098
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: my dumb ass shoes to go go play with that

1099
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: boy from Chicago?

1100
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: Because I'm like, we can shock Juwan Shook.

1101
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 4: How was that y'all had you and Juwan? Y'all get

1102
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 4: a young Rashid Wallace? You know what I'm saying over there?

1103
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: I remember playing a video game with y'all on it,

1104
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: and I used to put all three of y'all in

1105
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: the game at the same time, how was that to

1106
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: be on their young Washington team to make the playoffs

1107
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: outter they ain't make it in a couple of years,

1108
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: to have the ward, you know, to get a chance

1109
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: to go against Mike and just like them years in Washington,

1110
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: how was that?

1111
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: And Man, I love DC. Man, that's still home to me.

1112
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: I loved I love d C.

1113
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: Shout out to the DC Manland area, you know, Shure

1114
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: I picked up my wife from to more about there,

1115
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: so that definitely mean, you know, that's probably my onliest

1116
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: mom went out there to go get her and to

1117
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: keep it moving. But so it was cool.

1118
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 4: Man.

1119
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: We were a young team, and back then young teams

1120
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 2: you could like win little more battles. It was George's

1121
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: league then, so wasn't nobody else gonna win Bud Jeordan,

1122
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: so you might as well try to get the most

1123
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: out of it, you know you can. And that city

1124
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: was so behind us, Man, we played up there, we

1125
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: played I forgot landover Arena. But that year the Bulls

1126
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: won seventy two games.

1127
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: Right.

1128
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: Well, if you look back at that year, they toughest

1129
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: competition in the playoffs for US. They beat us by

1130
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: seven points in three games. Seven and it totally now

1131
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: you know, us bragging about getting your ass beat, but

1132
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: still it was joining the boys and you know, pipping

1133
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: that to make a last sec of shot to even

1134
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: get us. And so we were young twenty two and

1135
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: twenty three at this time, and we really believed. And

1136
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: so I felt what Golden State didn't know. We have

1137
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: didn't believe and put it together because we would hang

1138
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: out before you had twenty four hour gyms. We were

1139
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: all going back to the gym, you know, like we

1140
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: were friends and so so, and we thought that that

1141
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 2: was gonna get better.

1142
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: That wow, y'all giving us a time. We were the

1143
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: first two players.

1144
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: I think to I don't even know to do a

1145
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: couple of things, you know, and the statistics, and we like,

1146
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: you get us some people here, we can really do things.

1147
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: But instead of bringing people lay for us, you know,

1148
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: they moved it. And I was really shocked, man, when

1149
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: I got traded from there. It was it was during

1150
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 2: the playoffs. I didn't even know you could get traded,

1151
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, in the playoffs, and man at the store

1152
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: told me, and I thought he was playing around it.

1153
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: So it's funny how things happened, because I guess that

1154
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 2: was just the holding ground because.

1155
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: Told you got traded. So what happened was, man, Yeah,

1156
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: so it was I was at the store, like on a.

1157
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: Friday or Saturday, and I was going to grab some

1158
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: stuff because we're gonna watch some playoff games because we

1159
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: were in the playoffs.

1160
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: And the man the store was like, yo, Chris even trade.

1161
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: I was like, man, get out of here, my boy, keV,

1162
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: my wake keV. You know, he shoved me home.

1163
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 5: He was mad.

1164
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm just in the house chilling. He in the car

1165
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: for like an hour. I'm looking at him. He got

1166
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: tess in his eyes because I ain't even want to

1167
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: call my age. You know, he got he was liked

1168
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: he was traded. It's like the worst part. It's like

1169
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: you want to hear where I'm like, hey, like Sacramento.

1170
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: And he was so hurt. I started making him feel

1171
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: better like he was traded. But yeah, so he thought

1172
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: he was going to purgantarian segment.

1173
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 5: That's crazy, man, You trying to go pick up some

1174
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 5: doritos and some to watch the games and man to

1175
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 5: death blow like you know you about it, You're like

1176
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 5: what you on the load?

1177
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: They whispered that they ain't even let my agent know nothing.

1178
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: They like, he'll find out, don't worry about it. So

1179
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: that's why.

1180
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 5: I love How was it for you because you made

1181
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 5: your first All Star Game in d C? Right, How

1182
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 5: did that feel when you getting there in that room

1183
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 5: with everybody that you've been looking up to?

1184
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: It is the best feeling, man. I remember it was.

1185
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: It was Cleveland year before I was hurt because I

1186
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: felt like I gave these crazy stats and guys went

1187
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: before me, and you know, I just didn't know how

1188
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: things worked at that time.

1189
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: So I was, you know, really working for it. And

1190
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: then I get there in Cleveland. It was a great feeling. Man.

1191
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: I get down playing with Jordan Glenn, Rice's great Will

1192
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: Chamberlain scoring record, Yeah, fifty grades, and I go around

1193
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: to shape all looked.

1194
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 3: Good year when they had the jackets and the age.

1195
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I walked around. I was there for that.

1196
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: My father was like, go looking the ball in the

1197
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: eyes hunt and I just I remember just trying to

1198
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: steal whatever energy, whatever truth.

1199
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: They had, and I could get you give me that.

1200
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: Give me that, you know what I'm saying that that moment,

1201
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 3: like that's an iconic moment.

1202
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to say thank you, like I remember touching

1203
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: Chamberlain and rustling at the same time, you know, because

1204
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: in my mind, I'm like, you know, I'm like take

1205
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: pictures in your eyes because there was no phone.

1206
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: Camera phones. It was just it was right right, So

1207
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 3: that was that was an honor, man, that was an honor.

1208
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sacramento, Like what did you think when you heard

1209
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: you was going to Sacramento?

1210
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: Felt like you threw They threw you at the bottom

1211
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: of the brand.

1212
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wasn't going. I knew it was a conspiracy.

1213
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 3: Me trade didn't make no sense.

1214
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: I was twenty five. You traded for someone that's older,

1215
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: even though he cold, you know what I mean. And

1216
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: it's Hank Famous at this time, you know, I just

1217
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: felt this way. I felt like we have something like

1218
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: we were young, you know what I mean that we

1219
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: were everybody knew it, you.

1220
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: Know, and I'm like, what's going on.

1221
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: I didn't realize the Sacramento ha funk for me and

1222
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: all that, so I didn't I didn't want to go, man,

1223
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: Like the time you go. I remember, like when I

1224
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: was in Golden State, coach said, y'all can drive to

1225
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: the game, man meet me back.

1226
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: Here because I'm leaving, like he he adn't even it

1227
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 3: was in the place you wanted to be.

1228
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 2: It wasn't the place that you've seen him put any

1229
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: money into spud where it was the only player I

1230
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: knew they ever had, you know what I'm saying. So,

1231
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: you know, besides mentioning, So my boy Billy Owens got

1232
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: traded there and he was the one telling me.

1233
00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 3: You don't like the people.

1234
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: He was like him and my mother and I hate

1235
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: you know how good friend give you advice, you hate it.

1236
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: I was mad at Bedding like he's supposed to be

1237
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: mad at me.

1238
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: But so I wasn't going. I just wasn't going. I

1239
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: didn't know, you know how I was gonna do it.

1240
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 3: And my father, of course, he like, well you gotta go.

1241
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: You got your word, and like that. It's different. I

1242
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: don't want to go. And my mother was like, oh yeah,

1243
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 3: you don't want to go there. And they're a bad team.

1244
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 3: Who are they? Where they She was like, oh yeah,

1245
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 3: this God met this for you. This is the place

1246
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: you're gonna be. You're gonna love it. And I just

1247
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: hate it when she do stuff like that because it's

1248
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: your mother, you know, she's right. And I still didn't

1249
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 3: want to accept it and my brother. So I get there,

1250
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: I don't go. I'm late all that. I still don't

1251
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 3: want to be there.

1252
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: I get there and I tell our equipment manager Rob

1253
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: and other people like y'all excuse me. I just don't

1254
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: want to be here. Has nothing to do with y'all.

1255
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: I don't want y'all to relationship to make me want

1256
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: to be here. I'm going because at the time it

1257
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 2: was a trade. And I've been on the phone Jerry

1258
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: West had in trade with Sacramento and it was me

1259
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: for Elden Campbell, Eddie Jones and somebody else.

1260
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1261
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 4: Because at this time you almost went over there with Sack.

1262
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 3: Again. This is before the dynasty. So I wanted to

1263
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: be a Laker like I wanted to Magic, you know

1264
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: what I mean. So I wanted to be a Laker.

1265
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: I get on the phone and I begged the Jim

1266
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: Jeff Peach. I'm like, look, you don't want somebody that's

1267
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 2: not there, man, this is after everybody call, this is months,

1268
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you don't want somebody that's not there,

1269
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: you want somebody's commitment. I don't want to be there, y'all. Sorry,

1270
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't care who y'all bring in. Y'all ain't never cared.

1271
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: But I'm talking to him greasy hoping. He like, oh yeah,

1272
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: we can't.

1273
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: And he's like, Chris, you know, we understand all that,

1274
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: but we work real hard to get you, and thank you.

1275
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: We think you're gonna change things around everything. I said

1276
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 3: he would just stick to the script. I knew I

1277
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: wasn't going to LA.

1278
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: And I get to the first practice and we signed

1279
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: blotty and I'm like, Cloudy's cool.

1280
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: But at that time I had been going against him,

1281
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: so I'm like, okay. And my brother called me right

1282
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: before practice like, man, it's this boy, j Will You're

1283
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: gonna love him.

1284
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, Jeff, shut up, man, do nobody. I don't

1285
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: care at no rookie gonna make me love being here. Dog,

1286
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to win championship, you know. Getting the practice,

1287
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: this loud mo off little kid coming in like without shouting,

1288
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: he's just loud.

1289
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, who is this?

1290
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: You know, I'm liking the spirit, but I don't want

1291
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: to like the spirit, you know what I mean? And

1292
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: then we getting a three on two. He get in

1293
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: the middle and he do some some shit like that

1294
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: and whip it and somebody missed it.

1295
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm like okay.

1296
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: And then the next play he came down to do

1297
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 2: something and then we get in it and he throws

1298
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: something up and he like, oh.

1299
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 5: You know, I got you.

1300
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, I love it here. You know,

1301
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 3: it was that quick. It was one practice.

1302
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: It was one practice and Sacramento meeting the people, and

1303
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: that one practice I was like, damn, this is gonna

1304
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: be nice because we played the way nobody else was

1305
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: playing at the time, and you could see it out

1306
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: that first practice what they wanted to do, and it.

1307
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 3: Felt like home. Man.

1308
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 5: So from that first practice that you could you tell

1309
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 5: right away that that was how special White Chick was

1310
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 5: about to be.

1311
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: That was a glimpse into the future for you. I

1312
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: could tell when he was dribbling on the side, talking

1313
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: shit loud to everybody. I can just tell you know

1314
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: what I mean, you can see the swag right there,

1315
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: like the park. That's the that's the eye test.

1316
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: Dion said, is one of my favorite athletes ever.

1317
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 4: Right.

1318
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 3: I can just imagine on the football field like before

1319
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: you know, you.

1320
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: Know all the great ones. You think they not serious,

1321
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And then go on the fielding.

1322
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: That's how Jay Will was. He just talking and you

1323
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: know I heard music coming out of the locker room.

1324
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: I know, I turned the music off. I know none

1325
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: of these cats like music, so I must be this guy.

1326
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1327
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 2: It's just it's just fitting great man. I mean, he's

1328
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: a great kid. But he was just fun to play with.

1329
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: Man. He just loved hooping. Man. He was with it.

1330
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: He was like, let's go. He believed in everybody and

1331
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: if you open, he was gonna get you the ball.

1332
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: And he was cold. I mean, you think about it, man,

1333
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: Gary Payton is the best guard defender ever.

1334
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 3: He made Gary Payton try to trip him on that point.

1335
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: The know, Gary tried to trip him.

1336
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 6: Stick you don't tried to flame and file get into

1337
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 6: the back man, you know.

1338
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: So you know, it was fun playing talking. He used

1339
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: to always after a big play, That's what it was.

1340
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: After the first practice, I would always do the ric

1341
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: flair with him because he make you do the rick

1342
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: fly whoo.

1343
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: Every time every time he got a draw. And you

1344
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So it was fun playing with me.

1345
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: He was talking to It was a lot of fun, man.

1346
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: And so that year you went from getting traded there

1347
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 5: to not want to be there to you know, you

1348
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 5: meet white chopping and then you hit it out.

1349
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: But like, not only that, Like that was a year

1350
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: where you led the league in.

1351
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 5: Rebound and deep throwning rod rod Zilla after he had

1352
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 5: done it for seven years in a row. Like how

1353
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 5: how how did that feel? You know what I'm saying,

1354
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 5: Like that's a that's a feeding itself, you know what

1355
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Just to lead the league and rebounding, but

1356
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 5: to de thrown Batman after he had done it for

1357
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 5: that many years in a row.

1358
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a big fan of Robin. You know,

1359
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: in high school, I met him and you know, he

1360
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: looked out for me and we got into it. And

1361
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: when I was in Washing, you know, like I tried

1362
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: to fight him several times because you know.

1363
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: He was that type of guy. So and so you

1364
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: gotta remember, too, this is a lockout year. And so

1365
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: I'm coming in and I'm just like, you know, I

1366
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: just had energy, and I'm like, I gotta get to

1367
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 3: next year. And we had Paysier, we had jay Will,

1368
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: and I love being here and being on that team.

1369
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 3: We were letting that lot like never before. Jay Will

1370
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 3: was shooting from curry Land before you could do this,

1371
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so at the time,

1372
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, I'm gonna figure this out

1373
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: because that was a change with my game.

1374
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: You know, before then I couldn't really shoot free throws.

1375
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: Before then I could shoot threes, but in Washington they

1376
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't let me. And they was making your game through

1377
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: this big fella. And so then Coach Carrill really told

1378
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: me how they want me to play on this team

1379
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: for us to win, and I loved it.

1380
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 3: You know. He was like, we want you to be

1381
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:53,959
Speaker 3: the hug.

1382
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 2: He was like, We're gonna have three options on every play.

1383
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna see those first and then you get them

1384
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: away and it's always gonna I'm back to you on

1385
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: the side. This is what we want you doing a post.

1386
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: It was like Coach Carrill. It was crazy because you

1387
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: know that God shambat move. Coach Carrill was showing guys.

1388
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: That in practice from God Shamba and I'm like, you,

1389
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: you know, you eighty years old and you went to Princeton.

1390
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 3: How do you know he just he just knew the game.

1391
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: And so to be with a guy like Paiga and

1392
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: to see how he could shoot, to be with the

1393
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: smart passer like Vladi, and for us to have fun,

1394
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: like everybody on the court was gonna touch it.

1395
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 3: If you were on the court and I hit you

1396
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: with the rock, you better shoot the ball, you better

1397
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: make it that. That was our environment. It was like,

1398
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: you know, us against the world type stuff.

1399
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: So I really love that environment of Sacramento because it

1400
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: was fine skilled players.

1401
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: It was pushing. I think we had the fastest pace

1402
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: every year I was there. It was nothing like him.

1403
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: It was gonna get out and run and try to

1404
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: let it fly.

1405
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: What was your initial reaction when they traded Jay Will

1406
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: for Mike Bibby.

1407
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: My initial reaction was Jay Will gonna make everybody pay.

1408
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: J Will was wild at times because he was you

1409
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 3: can stop it, you know what I mean. And he

1410
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 3: went to Miami and he stopped and you know, they

1411
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: said stop it and this, and he and he did. So.

1412
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 4: I was, hour was up. I was.

1413
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: I was definitely hurt, especially after I signed back, thinking

1414
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 3: he was gonna be back.

1415
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:25,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1416
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: But I played against Mike Bibby the year before in Vancouver.

1417
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: He comes down the hole and I said, I said, bitch,

1418
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: you shoot that again.

1419
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 3: This you got knocked up. He came down.

1420
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 5: I fied our father.

1421
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm talking about father and his brothers and him on

1422
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: the side. I ain't noticed at the time.

1423
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mike get up and he comes back down

1424
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 3: the lane the next time, and and and you know,

1425
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 3: I just made a mental note like I'm gonna love

1426
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: him forever. He don't even know, you know. And so

1427
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: when I played with him, I knew it was like

1428
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,959
Speaker 3: we was he my brother, His mom is my mom.

1429
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 3: You know, she cooks, so we family.

1430
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they family is just like that.

1431
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 3: But their family for that right, And so after getting

1432
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 3: with them, it was it was all of it was all.

1433
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 3: It was great. Yeah.

1434
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: No, I just wanted to lever because I want to

1435
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: speak on Mike Billy because a lot of people don't

1436
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: speak of Mike Billy and Mike Bibby used to fuck

1437
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: your favorite point on us up, especially on that corner

1438
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: when they used to have you on the free throw

1439
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: line and then Paige you in the corner, then they

1440
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: throw it to.

1441
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 4: You, then they run off each other. One go baseline,

1442
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 4: one come off the screen.

1443
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: I used to hate that ship. I used to just like,

1444
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: page you going baseline, you ain't coming up. I'm taking one,

1445
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm forcing you there and you'll drop that bounce past

1446
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes it got through that I got that min us.

1447
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: I remember them playing that. We always had to run

1448
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: and taste there. But I just remember Mike Bibby, like

1449
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: now he wanted the one point going that everybody was

1450
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: raven before. He wann't a point guard that was making

1451
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: all the All Star team, but he was so much

1452
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: a thread, Like it was so much a thread on

1453
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: the court. But just speak about Mike Bibbe, what he

1454
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: was doing in that jumper that he was casting.

1455
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 4: On the head.

1456
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: Him and Ron Strickland to the coldest point guards that

1457
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: will never get any treading that I played with Mike

1458
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: Bibby his workouts, bro. He the only dude that had

1459
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: workouts that I'd be like, all right, it's it's crazy,

1460
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: Like let's stop.

1461
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 3: Like I'm talking about jumping jump shooting drills. I'm talking

1462
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 3: about this.

1463
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, now, come on, we passed the point. Even

1464
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: your body don't even know what we're doing now. We

1465
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 2: were shooting so much. But Mike his dribble game too. Dribble,

1466
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: pull up, he'll get you, set shot, he'll get you.

1467
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 3: He's slow.

1468
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: But then his speed up and get you like and

1469
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: for me a pick and roll player, he was the best,

1470
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 2: him and j because they can hit you with the

1471
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: behind the back or the big guy had to go.

1472
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, it was like pick your poison, man,

1473
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so yeah, he was

1474
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: cold man, Mike good Man.

1475
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 3: He was called man, you know, and he was living today.

1476
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: So he was living today game two.

1477
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I want you to speak on Pasier.

1478
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: Paisia turned out to be one of the hardest motherfuckers

1479
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: for twos and threes to guard in the league.

1480
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 4: Like them two guys, them.

1481
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: Two guys especially like you know, because like you're the

1482
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: leader of the team and you're the man. But them

1483
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: two guys made y'all a real championship. You know what

1484
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, y'all all collectively together, how they elevated their

1485
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: games to the level, you know what I'm saying.

1486
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 4: So like Paisa, people don't speak up on him.

1487
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: Man.

1488
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 4: He used to kp fuck these people up, like you

1489
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and get up on them.

1490
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 3: Dump Paysier. We used to call him roller because the

1491
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: first of all, I told Paige when I played with

1492
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: him that I would always give him credit for this

1493
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: because he brought this tight Jean ship into the league.

1494
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: Pati so him, Oh, I'm talking about double breast. That

1495
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 3: he looked like the president of France or something tight,

1496
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, sipping his cappuccino before the game.

1497
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: So I used to just call him Roller because he

1498
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 3: just stylish wherever he go, you know what I mean,

1499
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 3: like James Bond or something. And I did not know.

1500
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: First of all, he worked his ass off him and

1501
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: Hiito Turkulu. They had two coaches on him so hard

1502
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: on him.

1503
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 3: And Baby's shooting regimen man like him and Boby shooting

1504
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 3: regiment is just incredible, and I mean every day. That's

1505
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 3: really really. I was only with mull in one year,

1506
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 3: so I saw what a great shooter did, but I

1507
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 3: didn't see what they did. Yeah after year after yeh

1508
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 3: and Pasia, you really got to think about this. If

1509
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: he couldn't finish like Curry. To me, Curry's one of

1510
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 3: the best finishers, and that's why he's so hard for

1511
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: guards to guard, because he ain't gonna just.

1512
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: Set it off me, right, So like you say, you

1513
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 2: forcing patient baseline because you don't want him to come

1514
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: this way. And then if he comes this way off

1515
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: my shoulder, I'm still gonna wait till he come all

1516
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: the way and you fathered him. It's still trying to

1517
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: hit them with you trailing, but only because in the middle.

1518
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah right, but only because you could shoot so well.

1519
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: You're right, man, they made a championship in tennis.

1520
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: But they made me better, like they make you better.

1521
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: You know how this you get more space on the floor,

1522
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: you're a better player. You got another thread over here.

1523
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: So no, I credit them with they all made me

1524
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: better with patient his post up.

1525
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: Game, step back game, jaft game. You know.

1526
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've seen all that. I've seen all of that.

1527
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 5: Oh my god, and you hit that. Used to it

1528
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 5: used to be funny. You got Turk and Page. You

1529
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 5: can't walking in with their little suits and glass and

1530
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 5: looking like the European mona. Like the look at these

1531
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 5: dudes tight suits and stuff. Hey, tell me about the

1532
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 5: babbles y'all used to have with l A like them

1533
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 5: playoffs series with you know, we was out there. I

1534
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 5: used to be sitting there like man, this you know,

1535
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 5: we just we were dreaming about the playoffs in Clipperland.

1536
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 5: But we used to you know, watch everything and then

1537
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 5: y'all used to have some of the wars of the playoffs.

1538
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 3: Talk to me about that. Yeah, La, man, they are

1539
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: real man.

1540
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm mad at rashiding them, because if

1541
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: shooting them, don't let LA come back on them when

1542
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 2: they are seventeen and fourth and Portan when they throw

1543
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: the out of you, when Kobe throw the Luther Shack

1544
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 2: and he do all that. That game, I tell Steve

1545
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: Smith and on in that game changed history because they

1546
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: were gonna blow that team up. They were about to

1547
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: break that LA Lakers team up. I don't know if

1548
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: many people remember that. In that game they went on.

1549
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: Our thing was man Kobe. Kobe was a killer man,

1550
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 2: Cooby Kobe. I mean you look in the series and

1551
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: Shack is averaging twenty seven, thirteen eleven, Kobe avage thirty two,

1552
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: eight and eight.

1553
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you do? You know what I mean?

1554
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: You got a great coach on.

1555
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 2: The side of Phil Jackson, so all this could be cool,

1556
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 2: but you're tied, and you know, three minutes left to go.

1557
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: You still got Kobe and Shack, you still got double team,

1558
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 2: you still got refs bullshitting out there, you still got

1559
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: guy sitting incredible shots.

1560
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: He still got veterans like Bor and Fisher out here,

1561
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 3: players that are so smart don't ever get the credit,

1562
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1563
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, and you could say big Bob he made

1564
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: all them shots crazy and he played d and he

1565
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: got the right steal, and he got the charge and

1566
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 2: he flopped up. He had hands into it, you know what.

1567
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 3: I mean, like all of that.

1568
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 2: Man Like, they were just they were just well trained

1569
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: and you know, and well coaching. So it was it

1570
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 2: was an honor plan against them, and it was an

1571
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: honor knowing, you know, we beat them in the series

1572
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: and then it ain't on the record, and it was

1573
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: an honor knowing.

1574
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 3: Then you know, you could go with their heads.

1575
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: Because when we would go at their hands were you know,

1576
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: as I look at those games, we beat them.

1577
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 3: By twenty three there buy twenty this the playoffs, and

1578
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: we were We're on the team they field at that time.

1579
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 3: They don't mean them because they won't. But you know,

1580
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 3: it was we knew we were in a rival where

1581
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 3: we knew we were the underdog. And me personally from

1582
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: Michigan and other places, I like that role. I just

1583
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 3: knew I thought we were meant to win it.

1584
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: I thought, God put me on this earth to be

1585
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: the underdog and to win that champion, you know, to

1586
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: win through that, take that championship back to Michigan, hold.

1587
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 3: It up and be like you know how you like me?

1588
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 4: Now? You know?

1589
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: So those I mean, y'all really y'all want y'all want

1590
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: some YouTube if y'all ever get bored go This is

1591
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 2: how real the series was. I talked to Shack and

1592
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: we laugh about it. But Shaq got beat up that night.

1593
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 2: What happened was with the jump ball Fox and my

1594
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 2: man Doug Christie, who I go.

1595
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 3: To war with anything any day. I'll go to work

1596
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 3: Christie right now. He called me and say, walk here,

1597
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: I got something play. I'll do it. I don't even

1598
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: know what it is that he's an honorable man. He's honorable.

1599
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 3: He go hard every day and so it's you know

1600
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 3: a little fight, uh Doug Christie is a picture with

1601
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: him too, like that not coming like that? Right?

1602
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 2: So going to the back into the hallway and all

1603
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 2: the years and is Shaq getting beat up by Jackie

1604
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: christ do whatever the purse.

1605
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like shot back lasting. But

1606
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm like you got yours saying that, But you know

1607
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 3: looking at that as she was getting, she was getting.

1608
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 3: He didn't even know that money, you know, you know,

1609
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 3: come up.

1610
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 5: One way, she came out the other side of the tunnel.

1611
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 5: I think, I like on something getting that's I remember that.

1612
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 3: I remember that. That's who we were, like we were

1613
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: the underdogs. It was all love on our side. Man.

1614
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 3: So you asked how I was it to go up

1615
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: against him? You gotta be your best. You got to

1616
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 3: bring everything, and we did. And it's still you know

1617
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: at the end, wasn't good enough. But those those are

1618
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 3: the moments you lived for to show your heart and

1619
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 3: its battles. So it was it was good going togas.

1620
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: Man, that jumper that Robert Ory made that three point

1621
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: at the last second to make them win.

1622
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 4: I think it was game six to make them win.

1623
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 4: How was the locker room after that?

1624
01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 3: Like, how was the vibe?

1625
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 4: How was everything with the confidence?

1626
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: Did it take a little bit of the confidence that

1627
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: what made you go into game seven?

1628
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 4: A little say?

1629
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 3: So you gotta remember, you gotta remember the whole game.

1630
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: So was kicking the ass. We got cheated that game.

1631
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 3: We gotta cheat that game. So I don't even know

1632
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: how many files were calling the fourth. I know him

1633
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 3: three times that I dribbled backwards and the charge was

1634
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 3: called and I said, these motherfuckers cheatments tonight. I know that.

1635
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 3: I know I got a technical for saying that and

1636
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 3: wasn't talking to them, like just just look at the game.

1637
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 3: Like even people in the media come to me now

1638
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 3: and be like, man, that game. I don't even respect

1639
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 3: them because it was a different day and none of

1640
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 3: them said nothing. Then just say it's a bad game.

1641
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: Just say that, cause like I do, people talk about

1642
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 2: it so much. Let it roll off your back that

1643
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 2: that was that game. Man, it's no doubt been documented,

1644
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: is the truth, And we should have won Game seven.

1645
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: So how were we in the locker room? Meaning like

1646
01:10:58,960 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: you should have put that away?

1647
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 3: You know how it is.

1648
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: You can say whatever, But in the locker room, I

1649
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: just remember bringing the team together and I said, that's

1650
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: the first time in my life I've been cheated. I

1651
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: knew about in basketball's people talked about a degree and

1652
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: I said, well do we do now? And everybody took

1653
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 2: a shower and then got back on the bus. We

1654
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: talked about it. It was like all right, everybody done,

1655
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: all right, that shit over with.

1656
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 3: We gotta win the ma all because the day don't

1657
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 3: even matter, that that don't even matter that nobody ain't

1658
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: gonna believe you about today. So everybody, you set them,

1659
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 3: you and your heart, you know what it is, all right,

1660
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 3: and I forget that and let's keep going, you know

1661
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 3: what I mean. And then in the next game, it

1662
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 3: couldn't beat them, lost in overtime, couldn't make a shot,

1663
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: and that's on us. So that one game happened, and

1664
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 3: then that whole series is on us. So, but that's

1665
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 3: what happened.

1666
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: You play against the best, you better take him out,

1667
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: you know when you can. Again, this is just shock

1668
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 2: he jumping like like like Dean, you know what I mean?

1669
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: This is this is Kobe defensively, you know what I mean.

1670
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: This is Kobe switching on whoever has the ball and

1671
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 2: my man shout out to Bobby Jackson the shot.

1672
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 3: You know, we had dudes with a lot of heart.

1673
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 4: Bobby crossed me so hard I lost sight of his ass.

1674
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 4: I was so pisa hey that.

1675
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: Boy was Yeah, Bobby coch and defense beyond you.

1676
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1677
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: When I was with the Clipper, we played j'all and

1678
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: we had like this play they be playing to this

1679
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: day like this l ooper R.

1680
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 4: I p Shining Rooks. He threw a deep long past

1681
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 4: and lamar call. He threw it behind his head and

1682
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 4: I dumped it.

1683
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 3: Do you remember that place? I do you remember? Y'all

1684
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 3: were the young boys? So I cut my eyes on

1685
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 3: y'all just because y'all was the young boys. And when

1686
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 3: more Taylor was there, I know he always trying to

1687
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 3: go at me because he was from the d like

1688
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 3: a Michigan. You know what I'm saying, y'all was the

1689
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 3: young boys like y'all gonna realize too, it was a

1690
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 3: It was a target on y'all back because it's like,

1691
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 3: we can't let.

1692
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 2: Them come up here, you know what I mean. I remember, yo,

1693
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 2: remember that play. I remember being mad, and I swear

1694
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: it was on my birthday. I swear it was March first,

1695
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 2: because I want to say, my dumb ass got my

1696
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: hair braided that day and I couldn't even turn my

1697
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: head right to left. So I remember at the end,

1698
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 2: you double pumped. I remember because we were Yeah, I

1699
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 2: remember y'all for I remember that.

1700
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: But that was the only time we beat out out

1701
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: of four try, I mean, out of eight tries that

1702
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: we had to say to.

1703
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 4: So that was the only time we beat out. I

1704
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 4: just remember that.

1705
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but y'all still showed y'all at the end.

1706
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: I remember that, you know we did at the end

1707
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, not now that Lebron. Now that Lebron

1708
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: never jump on you. If you shoot that bothering you

1709
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 1: up and you win it the game, you know they'll

1710
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: let you get away with that.

1711
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 3: And that's why if I was playing today, I do

1712
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 3: it because yeah, yeah, I do it. Especially I know

1713
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: what make y'all mae okay, because if I got to

1714
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 3: make you mad to play hard against me next weekend,

1715
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 3: you saw anywhere, you know what I mean, Like, you

1716
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 3: know anyway straight up the material, you know you're supposed

1717
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 3: to able to make that up in your head before

1718
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 3: the game. He'd been through too much.

1719
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: So I did a movie, right. I was a real

1720
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: attacker dunker. I really couldn't throw a rock in the

1721
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: ocean when I was shooting. But I started working with

1722
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: this guy named Buzz Braman, right, and I was in

1723
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: Vancouver working with him and.

1724
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 3: He helped me.

1725
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he helped me with my shot. So he know,

1726
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: he showed me the pictures of the worst free throw shooters.

1727
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm shooting my elbow all like this

1728
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: and stuff.

1729
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 4: So then by the end the.

1730
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: Sumbody moved my elbow, and I remember he worked with you,

1731
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: so I always used to play attention. I'm like, man,

1732
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: that's fucking free throw line jumper that Chris web be

1733
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: hitting all the time. That shit then turned into a layup.

1734
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: How was that to add that jumper to your game?

1735
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: How did that extend your.

1736
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 4: Career and make it back? I remember, like.

1737
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: Bibby coming off that screen throwing that behind the back

1738
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: pass of the free throw line, and it seemed like

1739
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: your hand it seemed like your hands were.

1740
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 3: So wide open on the ball and just shooting it.

1741
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 4: Like, how was that to add that jump into the

1742
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 4: game and stand your career a little bit longer?

1743
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 3: That was your mailman shot? Huh, Now that's my mail man.

1744
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 3: I stole it from the mail And I used to

1745
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: wonder why I can't I guard him on the posts?

1746
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: And I'm more athletic than him, Like it was dudes

1747
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 2: that you would watch like BARKI that he put his

1748
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: butt or position in a certain way.

1749
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: You couldn't get around him. So I just was like,

1750
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 3: how to get easier buckets? You know?

1751
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 2: What I mean, they not calling files in the post.

1752
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm always on the pick and roll and so man

1753
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: working with Buzz that shit was intent. So I went,

1754
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: you know, the one that I am proud of. I

1755
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,839
Speaker 2: had I have the greatest improvement in free throw percentage.

1756
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: It was like forty five percent to like seventy seven

1757
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 2: or something with buzs. So every day we started with

1758
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 2: taking a basket off the rim, bringing it on the ground,

1759
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: putting two balls in there. I didn't know two balls

1760
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 2: could fit in the basket at the same time. Took

1761
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 2: me taking a rim home, putting it in my room.

1762
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 2: Even there, it took you know, hundreds of shots to day,

1763
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: thousands of shots today. And this is why I really

1764
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: stole game though, because we would watch film, and so

1765
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 2: in film we just watching film a game. So like

1766
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 2: if you look at Kevin Durant, but he shoot this

1767
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: hand be off sometime, you know that the left handed

1768
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 2: just be this because I realized my left hand was

1769
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: pushing up against the ball so much so in a

1770
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 2: different way, yeah, not not effected, yeah, you know or

1771
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 2: for me, you know, like a golf swing or something like,

1772
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, for people out there that on professionals, you

1773
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: know how you go to the gym one day and

1774
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: you hitting everything, but it's because you.

1775
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 3: Get into that spot. And for me, this spot was inconsistent,

1776
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 3: you nervous or stuff like that line and stuff like that.

1777
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 3: And really what it was is I got it in

1778
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 3: the place I could get it, and I didn't care

1779
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 3: where I was. I could get right there. And I

1780
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 3: felt that anyway from like twenty in twenty one feet in,

1781
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 3: I could do that.

1782
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 2: And because I could pass, I felt I'm always going

1783
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 2: to be open. So even when I played with Ai

1784
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, like.

1785
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 3: Body messed up, nobody ever averaged twenty with Aivans for

1786
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 3: he had killer, what I'm gonna do?

1787
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 2: And it was okay, free throw, let me get you

1788
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 2: some open looks, let me get you this. And so

1789
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 2: we still like Grant Hill's crossover where Grant Hill would

1790
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 2: go one too slow, want you and then take off,

1791
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: or Jason Kidd Jason Kidds thing.

1792
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 3: When I work with buzz so I work on my driveling.

1793
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 3: So Jason Kidds crossover was like this, he comes straight

1794
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 3: at you and Booth. It wasn't all this Jason kid.

1795
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 2: So it was just working on certain things and I know,

1796
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm playing against this big guy tonight, dam or I'm

1797
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 2: playing against this do this or the sick month and

1798
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 2: a step back, Like me and Kobe even worked through

1799
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: the in and out step back, and it was from

1800
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: me and him talking about some stuff that Buzz did.

1801
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: So I used to take Buzz to the club. So

1802
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 2: when I lived in New York, I was go work out.

1803
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: We work out like twice a day, and so I

1804
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 2: get there like.

1805
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 3: Nine in the moon.

1806
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: I want to get the gym eight and nice. We

1807
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 2: could do two or three times a day and take

1808
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: it to the club. Come stay at my hotel.

1809
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 3: You know, let's go there.

1810
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 2: So Buzz was like, I mean, he still is a

1811
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: very close person. He's a good person, and I bet

1812
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 2: he could out shoot most dudes in today.

1813
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: Buzz is my guy man, And Buzz, like I said,

1814
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: he helped my jump out tremendously, just refalled. I hate

1815
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: I ain't worked with him earlier in my career because

1816
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: like man, we went to Vancouver and just that time

1817
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: with him was just big and like I said, you

1818
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: was one of the players that we always talk about,

1819
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 1: and you know, it made me pay attention to it. Look,

1820
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm like man, He's killing this fucking free throw line

1821
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: jumper like every time it's like a layup.

1822
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So Buzz was one of

1823
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 4: my definitely one of my guys.

1824
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, me too. He had shot shooting, his best shotshot,

1825
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: his best freet throw. Pent I think he has shot shooting.

1826
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 2: You know that too, Buzz, He buzz got game man,

1827
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: got got.

1828
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 5: You just spoke on playing with with with Ai, Tell

1829
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 5: me what that was like them a couple of years

1830
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 5: and Philly playing with with with with Ai.

1831
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 3: He's the coldest person I ever play with. Hey I

1832
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 3: cold like he like he like an undefeated heavyweight boxing

1833
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 3: type like here champion like he heyall cold.

1834
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 4: Oh.

1835
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 3: I was just on the bench Washington one night he

1836
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 3: got sixty. I'm just like, you know what I mean.

1837
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 3: He don't wait one forty quickie. This is hard. That's

1838
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 3: it ain't nothing. It's just as hard man. He just

1839
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 3: he called him machene man.

1840
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 2: I just couldn't you know when people talk about the

1841
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 2: practice store, when he go practice practice. I hated for

1842
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. One reason he was saying, my

1843
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: best friend died and y'all talking about practice. You want

1844
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 2: to saying I'm being lazies and you know, and then

1845
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: second when he practiced, it fucked everything up, because what

1846
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: you gonna do?

1847
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 3: You were we practicing out of killing practice all day?

1848
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 3: What what you wanna do? Oh, el drill? I got

1849
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 3: the ball three or two the way, you know what

1850
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 3: I mean. So in practice, it was just funny watching them.

1851
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 3: But I watched lou Will, I watched Andrea Dollar those

1852
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 3: years there with my rookies, and A I was relentless, man,

1853
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 3: I was just eat everybody up. And it don't surprise

1854
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 3: me that lou Will is the all time leading score

1855
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 3: off the bench.

1856
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 2: You don't, don't he came in the baby Ai Man.

1857
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 2: Louis was cold since coming in. Andrea Dollar was cold

1858
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 2: since coming in. It was smart and realized, okay, A,

1859
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: I gonna take most of these shots. How to watch

1860
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 2: stay valuable?

1861
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 3: I do this.

1862
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 2: You know, you can see them growing in that talent. Then,

1863
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 2: so playing with Ai Man, it was cool. It was

1864
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: just we just both wished we were younger. We both

1865
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 2: wish we had that opportunity when we were younger, you

1866
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But you know, we went to

1867
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 2: the playoffs, did some things and some old men, but

1868
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: it was cool playing with them.

1869
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 3: Man, Now that was he the coldest man? I don't know.

1870
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas said him to me, you know, and you

1871
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 2: gotta put Chris Paul probably in that category the best

1872
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: small yeah, shout out to them, but yeah, yeah, that

1873
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: cold man I'm talking about you can play football, you

1874
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

1875
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 3: He probably detract man.

1876
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 4: He good.

1877
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: That you got the opportunity. You know, you grew up

1878
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: a Detroit Piston fan, grew up seeing no Pistons. To

1879
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: get an opportunity. I know it was later in your career,

1880
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: but just to you know, be in Detroit and leave

1881
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: your house and go to the game and just be

1882
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: at home. You know what I'm saying, a lot of

1883
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: people don't get that opportunity and chance to experience that

1884
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: and out. Like I said, I know you wanted to

1885
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: be younger and be there, but how was it just

1886
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: to get that feeling, Just to get that feeling of man,

1887
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm a Piston, something that I grew up watching my

1888
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: whole life, and I can leave my house and come

1889
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:56,879
Speaker 1: to this arena.

1890
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,799
Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's the best line I've been in period.

1891
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:08,440
Speaker 3: No other locker room is even close. Because everybody was older, Rashid.

1892
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 2: Waller's, Del Davis uh oh Man, Chauncey Billers, Tayshawn Prince,

1893
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 2: probably the smartest player I've.

1894
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 3: Ever played with, you know what I mean, they were killers.

1895
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: They was not playing around like it was, come in,

1896
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 3: let's go to work.

1897
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 2: We work hard, play hard, get it done. Everybody's together,

1898
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: young Max Seals on the team. I mean, we really

1899
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: got it.

1900
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean I had they coaching themselves in the huddles.

1901
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Dice mc dice. Yeah, practices was tough, like

1902
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: it was men was This was grown men, you know

1903
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 2: what I mean, like for the beer talking grown men stuff.

1904
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,879
Speaker 2: So I played one year after.

1905
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 3: That, but to me, that really was my last year

1906
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 3: because Joe Dubons gave me opportunity.

1907
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, that's when Lebron hit us in

1908
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: the head with twenty five in the fourth quarter and

1909
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 2: ended our championship run. That's when I started, Okay, he's

1910
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: gonna be more than the problem. And you know, but

1911
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: to be with that team, man, that was I mean

1912
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,440
Speaker 2: even coach Cowins, he was an MVP for the Celtics,

1913
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: you know, being with him every day, you know, for me,

1914
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 2: so that if anything brought that was something. I really

1915
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,560
Speaker 2: thank God for that opportunity because you know, sometimes you

1916
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 2: need to be with people like you to know you

1917
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 2: ain't crazy, you know what I'm saying.

1918
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 3: And so they let me know, like what you talking about,

1919
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 3: you ain't going hard enough.

1920
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 2: You really want to talk, you know, and other things.

1921
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: So they were a great group, man, They had a

1922
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 2: great group. And then to be home the place that

1923
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: the draft happened, the place that you know, high school

1924
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: champions happened in that arena, you know, so it was

1925
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: moms coming to the game on the front row.

1926
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: So it was cool straight up when you came up,

1927
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: who's the guys you like patting your game after?

1928
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 4: Who's the guys that you looked at?

1929
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 3: It was like, man, I want that Derrick Coleman. Deck Coleman,

1930
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: he was the number one pick.

1931
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 2: He was the coldest, you know where I was from Syracuse,

1932
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 2: running with his thumbs up looking crazy.

1933
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 3: We had we had the og on with us to

1934
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 3: the fullers. He is Detroit, you know. That's that's why

1935
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 3: I worked for I want forty four high school because

1936
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 3: of Dereck Coleman. I worked four in the NBA because

1937
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 3: of Dad Coleman, because of Larry Johnson was and my

1938
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 3: best friend kf Hee had for so those were like

1939
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 3: big man. You know.

1940
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 2: Larry Johnson is another big fellow that influenced me, you know.

1941
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 2: And then there was Magic and Dominique and all those guys,

1942
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: but father as the young dudes, it was Larry Johnson,

1943
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: d C. That whole era of big guys that could

1944
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: do a little bit more, you know, between them.

1945
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's part of my game.

1946
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: I think they go to State you dunked on Barkley

1947
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 1: and this is like they still play this dunk to

1948
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: this day.

1949
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 4: Man, you go behind your back and dunk on it.

1950
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 4: You know, these is one of the guys that's you know,

1951
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 4: the best powerfulwards in this league. And this is your

1952
01:24:58,560 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 4: rookie year.

1953
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: Getting the opportunity to go mino and mino with one

1954
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: of the greats. So how was that to just get

1955
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: that dunk on one of the people that you look

1956
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 1: up to and you know.

1957
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 4: You watch from before.

1958
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 3: It was crazy because you know, I wanted him with Tumbo, Shine, Bradley, eating,

1959
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 3: I wanted the tallest, you.

1960
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 4: Know, we want them all, got a long list, you

1961
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 4: know all, but.

1962
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 3: Chuck is my hero though you know, at that time

1963
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 3: it was no better than so my father, that's my man.

1964
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 7: You know.

1965
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 3: My father used to let me know he's the man.

1966
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 3: The man ain't none of these other men nothing. They

1967
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 3: can't be him nice. So I got my father at

1968
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 3: the game, who was telling me, Barking gone dunk on you.

1969
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 3: This is my poppy game.

1970
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: My brothers, I bring, I bring the whole hood up

1971
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: for this game. Literally, it's probably fifteen people there just

1972
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 2: to see me play against Barker.

1973
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 3: That's enough.

1974
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 2: Like, I didn't even think we gonna what happened. I

1975
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 2: always used to go behind my back. I always used

1976
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 2: to do it, and so talking to Barker is crazy.

1977
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 2: I was a terrible free throw shooter. So Barki tells

1978
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: me he was gonna grab me, and I probably felt

1979
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 2: that and not wanting to go to the line. That's

1980
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 2: why I went behind my back. So as soon as

1981
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 2: I dunk and I get him, I don't even know

1982
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 2: what's going on. I know something happened with him, and

1983
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: I just I'm looking for my pops. That's when I

1984
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 2: put my hands up, looking at my pops, like what

1985
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 2: he's saying about?

1986
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: What what this?

1987
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 3: Your man? Don't be on the floor, you know what

1988
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 3: I mean? So it felt Yeah, that was you know man,

1989
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 3: it's cool man. That's when when you get your hero man,

1990
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 3: that's why. Yeah, that was a good feeling.

1991
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: But you know that's right, But that's when you talk

1992
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: to your whole boys and causing you up aut night.

1993
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah you say, you say showing those sports at all,

1994
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: you talk ship.

1995
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 3: Board those nice than any nights just because they was on,

1996
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 3: like they don't want you know what I mean, they

1997
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 3: wanted him to get me, you know what I'm saying,

1998
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 3: because it was to call back in the playoffs. They

1999
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 3: was like how many arm bock y'all?

2000
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 6: Like fifty four?

2001
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Well, you was at Michigan, Like you know, I used

2002
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: to study players game and I used to study you know,

2003
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: everything and try to take it off of them and

2004
01:26:58,560 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: bring it to my game.

2005
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 4: One of the things that I got from you. Me

2006
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 4: and my mom used to always talk about this and

2007
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 4: so forth fall. When you was at Michigan. You used

2008
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 4: to dunk a lot, but you you created this meme up.

2009
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: After you dunk, like the mean mother, like the reason

2010
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 1: that I dunk, And I'll be trying to look so

2011
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: mean and so tough and so hard because the reason

2012
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: I used to see.

2013
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 4: You do it all the goddamn time, Like who instilled

2014
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 4: that in you?

2015
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: And who who put that in you? Like, no, you

2016
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: need to you can't look that. You gotta you dunk it,

2017
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta have that mean, mean face off.

2018
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 1: And you the first person I used to see do

2019
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: it all the time.

2020
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 3: So where did you get that from?

2021
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 2: So I'm playing for the super Friends when we were

2022
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: twelve Harvard only not of us play against fifteen year

2023
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 2: olds then thirteen year oly.

2024
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 3: So we could never win. So I'm crying on the

2025
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 3: end of the bench. Dog, I'm passionate. I'm crying like

2026
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 3: the ain't not.

2027
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 4: Better than us.

2028
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: You know, I'm the little kid getting beat up every

2029
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 2: time because I'm still going over there after the game

2030
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 2: because it was family.

2031
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,879
Speaker 3: I can't explain it, but there was so much family,

2032
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 3: and we didn't know how good we were. All we

2033
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 3: knew that the only way to feel good is to fight,

2034
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 3: like you give it your awe, you know what I'm saying.

2035
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 3: And so I really got it because I got tired

2036
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 3: of talking and I saw all these corny dudes talking

2037
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 3: and I saw and it was just it was just

2038
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 3: the way to communicate with with my boys and I

2039
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 3: did it sincerely. And then I also realized it was

2040
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 3: a battery and everybody back on my team too, So

2041
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 3: I want I wanted that, and then I wanted you

2042
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 3: to say something about it. So my father and my

2043
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 3: father like, uh, in church, you know you acting bad

2044
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 3: or something like that. He'd be looking at you, you know, like,

2045
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 3: you know, we couldn't say nothing right here, that's you

2046
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: know that look. Yeah. Yeah, but it was real though, man,

2047
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 3: it was.

2048
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 2: I really felt like every dunk, everything was from people back,

2049
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 2: you know, six miles while I was from James was

2050
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 2: from which Rom was from. I really felt like that's

2051
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: the only connection because again this was new. We didn't

2052
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 2: even have TVs in the dorm. You know what I'm saying,

2053
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: It's just vine blowing sports and all this. So it

2054
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 2: was it was just something, man, where I just felt

2055
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: that it was just a release for me. It was

2056
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 2: the Summings real when.

2057
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 4: Nike dropped them. Chris Webbers, how did you feel now?

2058
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: I had to blow and white joys with the Nike

2059
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,839
Speaker 1: on the toe. I had them jokes and they was comfortable.

2060
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: He was just rocking them joke.

2061
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 2: I loved him, man, I loved it because the shoe

2062
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: they gave me the year before my first half of shoe.

2063
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 3: It was like a high top shoe, the straps across

2064
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 3: to the David Robinson kind of warning.

2065
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 2: He didn't And I remember again at the time, all

2066
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 2: big men at the time had to wear ugly ass.

2067
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 3: High tops, like high tops up to the ship. And

2068
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like, no, we little first in them flights revolutions,

2069
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 3: you know that they was dope. You know. I wanted

2070
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 3: to change.

2071
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 2: And I remember, like Tom Chambers one of the dunk contests,

2072
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 2: he had on some low tips. I'm like, oh, yeah,

2073
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: so I wanted to make the low tops, the little

2074
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 2: tag the Nike on the toe. I'm really glad that

2075
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 2: shoot did start a lot of trips because Nike keeps.

2076
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 3: It on the toe.

2077
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: Now.

2078
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,560
Speaker 7: Some other stuff was Yeah, it was not just in

2079
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 7: the fact that you got a shoot, like you got

2080
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 7: a dope shoes still right now get retro to get

2081
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 7: love right, Yeah.

2082
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 3: They need to, man, they need to. That's dope. Man.

2083
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 3: I got a few hair at the crick and I

2084
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 3: ain't never open, but.

2085
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I wish I could get another paraby.

2086
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: Them joints was my thing like when I got there

2087
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: because like, you know, they dropped the riders, they dropped

2088
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: them Barkley's, you know what I'm saying.

2089
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 4: So they were dropping other shoes around.

2090
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: At the time, and I was just telling my mom,

2091
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 1: I want them wethers, the specific I need the weather,

2092
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: the blue or white joke I had the boy.

2093
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 2: I told Nike, I'm like, please make a shooter you

2094
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 2: could wear in school, and you could wear with jeans,

2095
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 2: because you know, I ain't had two pairs of shoes

2096
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 2: a wear with, you know when I was young, the

2097
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 2: jeans and this it was one of the other.

2098
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 3: Give me something I could, you know, switch up at

2099
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 3: any time. And so they looked out, Hey tell me this.

2100
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 5: You got a personal collection of African American artifacts.

2101
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 2: What made you start that? And how did you start

2102
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 2: doing that? I got one right here to me show you.

2103
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 2: This is a small one I keep in my house,

2104
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 2: and this is Stay in Power, and it's.

2105
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 3: The handwritten words of the great James Brown. It's when

2106
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,560
Speaker 3: he wrote the song, you know what I mean. So

2107
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 3: I stuff like this I just love having at the house,

2108
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 3: like pictures and stuff.

2109
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 2: But how it started as my mother's a teacher and

2110
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: she used to always talk about black history. You know,

2111
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 2: just talk about how we contributed to the world, you know,

2112
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 2: how you know we coming every color, how beautiful people are,

2113
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 2: all this great stuff.

2114
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,600
Speaker 3: And so growing up she would just let me know

2115
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 3: a little bit about history.

2116
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: And then being a hooper, you always want to study

2117
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 2: the stories of like inspiration, people that made it and

2118
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 2: shouldn't have and other stuff like that. And when I

2119
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 2: went to Country Day, I go to this other high school.

2120
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 2: It's a different community. It's no one like myself there.

2121
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 2: And I see my brothers, you know, different races on

2122
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: our team, how they celebrate their heritage, how they do that.

2123
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 2: And so I really wanted to take these pieces and

2124
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 2: take them to the schools and take them to So

2125
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 2: first I just started collecting them because I just want

2126
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 2: to collect them. And their friends will come over and

2127
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 2: see and they'd be like, man, you should take that

2128
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 2: to schools.

2129
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 3: And so I have one book.

2130
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 2: It's from seventeen seventy three and it's from the first

2131
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 2: novel written by an African American woman.

2132
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 3: But it's the second book written by a woman, and

2133
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 3: it's Feelings Whekne So. She was a slave, her slave family,

2134
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 3: the family that enslaved her, started to read she writes

2135
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 3: this beautiful, crazy book. No one believes she could do it,

2136
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 3: that a woman could do it, and let alone an

2137
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 3: African American woman could do it. So she has to

2138
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,560
Speaker 3: go recite the book in front of John Hancock and

2139
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 3: things like that. So one, I like it because it's valuable,

2140
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 3: but it's not going to go down. Two, it's a

2141
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 3: big piece of history. And three I'll take it to

2142
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 3: schools and I'll say, you know, boys are smarter than girls, right,

2143
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 3: and all the.

2144
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 2: Boys raising their hand. Then I got them because the

2145
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 2: girls are like boo. I'm like, let me tell you

2146
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 2: a story about philis week. And then we just talked

2147
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 2: whether it's about my time, mom, whether it's about you know,

2148
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 2: what point you are in your life, whether it's about

2149
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 2: things you've seen people go through that I have some

2150
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:29,719
Speaker 2: artifacts right here, but I can.

2151
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 3: Show you of people just like yourself that wasn't supposed

2152
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 3: to make it. I got some funny stories. I could

2153
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 3: show you people like yourself that wasn't even supposed to

2154
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 3: be here. And if they did it, why can't you

2155
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 3: do it? As a matter of fact, here's their story.

2156
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 3: You can go look, you can go touch you. Now.

2157
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 2: I know it's gonna be harder. I know it's gonna

2158
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 2: be this, but what are we gonna do? And so

2159
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 2: it always gets to that point. And so just from

2160
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 2: being at home my mom would do stuff like that.

2161
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 2: Then I just start really loving the stories. And then

2162
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 2: now you know what is African American history? It's telling

2163
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 2: my kid And you know, you can have a podcast

2164
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 2: like y'all is telling people they can influence VOTs like

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01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 2: Stacey Abrams. You know, it's really what inspirational stories can

2166
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 2: you tell people from their backgrounds and communities that don't

2167
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 2: inspire them and let them know it's people just like you.

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01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 3: We know what you're going through. We know no one's

2169
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 3: gonna cry and give you an excuse. We got your back,

2170
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 3: but let's go. It's your time.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite piece or like did you

2172
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 5: have did you collective or is it too many you

2173
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 5: just got?

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Speaker 3: You know the pieces. It's really not a lot of pieces.

2175
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:28,759
Speaker 3: I think a couple of pieces.

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01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 2: There's an eighty pound ball that was for slaves, like

2177
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 2: show him because people think slavery was this happy thing

2178
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 2: or people had another choice and let them just each

2179
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,919
Speaker 2: kid carry it or hold it. And you know, imagine

2180
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 2: how long that would would be around to bring that empathy,

2181
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 2: and then I think this fun stuff like a James

2182
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 2: Brown suit.

2183
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 3: You know, they could laugh at the colors and everything

2184
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 3: on it. You know, you just want them to have

2185
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 3: a good time, and so you know, the Fab five

2186
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 3: Jerseys stuff like that. So I just try to keep

2187
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 3: the fun and everything from sports to everything else.

2188
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 5: How did you end up teaching the Master's class and

2189
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 5: storytelling that wake for us?

2190
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2191
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 3: Arazy? How did that happen? Oh?

2192
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 4: Man?

2193
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 2: So I've been going to school and doing all this

2194
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 2: since I've been out, and uh, you know, they have

2195
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 2: it's called a professor of practice, someone that can bring

2196
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 2: in real world experience to go along with the curriculum

2197
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 2: of the teacher that has you know, the curriculum. So

2198
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 2: I've been doing my book and documentary and I've been

2199
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 2: have been writing and learning how to direct and doing

2200
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 2: all this other stuff.

2201
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 3: And in the midst of that, they saw what I

2202
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 3: was doing and they asked if I wanted to be

2203
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 3: part of that. I did interviews with sports icons, gone

2204
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 3: through certain things, taught them, you know the difference between

2205
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 3: what you're reading the media and how to kind of

2206
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 3: listen with the third ear, and you know how the

2207
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 3: narrative on us has always been certain ways, and there's

2208
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 3: dog whistles, just things like that, and so it was

2209
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 3: a really crazy experience. And I guess I can tell

2210
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 3: you about this now, but I'm teaching the class for

2211
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 3: Morehouse right now on COURSEERA and it'll be vedical Fbruary eighteenth.

2212
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 3: And so what this is is studying sports and protests.

2213
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 3: And you know, we always talked about what his protests

2214
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 3: and you always have people throw all these things up,

2215
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 3: and my thing is we need to talk to sports

2216
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 3: icons that have been there and really ask them and

2217
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 3: break it down. So the first week of my classes

2218
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 3: with John Carlos, Doctor John Carlos is like a big

2219
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 3: brother to me.

2220
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 2: You know, he stood on and nineteen sixty eight, he

2221
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: stood on the gold medal stand put his fist up.

2222
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 3: He talks about why he put his fist up. He

2223
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 3: talks about Martin, Luther King and Malcolm X, how they

2224
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 3: encouraged him to do this. They talk about his growing

2225
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 3: up in New York and what he expects it was.

2226
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 2: Now Kaepernick, what the great things the guys in the

2227
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 2: league did last year with the boycott. I talked to

2228
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 2: Spencer Haywood because not people realize Spencer Haywood's case was

2229
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 2: anti trust laws.

2230
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 3: It wasn't you know, it was annie trust laws. It

2231
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 3: was what's hardship? So because of Spencer haywood case, that

2232
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 3: hardship rule is because of him. Since Spencer Haywood bought

2233
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 3: that and went to the Supreme Court.

2234
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 2: NBA players that have been defended from it has come

2235
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 2: out early, and including myself because it was the four

2236
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: year old spend thirty billion dollars that his sacrifice created

2237
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 2: for us, you know, or his fight created for us.

2238
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 3: Anybody's come out earlier, Magic Cold, you know. Yeah, we

2239
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 3: had Spence on.

2240
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Speaker 5: They did a documentary on us when we first came out,

2241
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 5: the whole segment like basically we here because of what

2242
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 5: you know, they did the whole game, but about how

2243
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 5: he falled and went to the courts and then how

2244
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 5: it finally happened for him and he was still kind

2245
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 5: of pigeonholed even though he won the fight. They still

2246
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 5: kind of did him dirty fore.

2247
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 3: And you know, my thing is is don't that we

2248
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 3: can get to learn about it, right? The world should

2249
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 3: learn about it because everybody's affected by the laws, you know.

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Speaker 2: So my thing is to talk about looking at the

2251
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 2: world through the lizard sports and just seeing how it

2252
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 2: impacts nature, how it impacts business, how to pack some

2253
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 2: of our thoughts. You know, it's been cool to have

2254
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 2: these type of interactions. I've been doing it for a while.

2255
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 2: I don't really try to keep it on the low,

2256
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 2: but you know, it's just something I do out of

2257
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 2: the labor of love and so hopefully, you know, people

2258
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 2: get a lot out of them.

2259
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 1: And of all the things you achieved, you had the

2260
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: opportunity to add actor to your resume. You had the

2261
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to do Uncle Drew with Hall of Famer Shack,

2262
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Lisa Leslie, like all these great people,

2263
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: and man, they looked like y'all had so much fun

2264
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 1: out there doing it and you did a great job

2265
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 1: at that.

2266
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 4: So how was that?

2267
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 3: It was funny?

2268
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, how was that to do that movie? And

2269
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,759
Speaker 4: you know, and just to get that out.

2270
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 3: That was like a locker room Nate Robinson. Nate Robinson

2271
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 3: should probably pay the studio because he is messing around

2272
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 3: so much. We probably took ten extra days to film

2273
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 3: because he's just telling jokes, dancing. It was fun.

2274
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 2: Leslie shocked. I mean, it was a great set man.

2275
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,680
Speaker 2: You know, we're all on the vulnerable saying you.

2276
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 3: Should say this, you should do this. You know, it's

2277
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 3: like a gang. We really working with each other, you

2278
01:38:58,400 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

2279
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 2: So they had this backpack that the director hated because

2280
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 2: the backpack had music in it, you know what I mean.

2281
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 3: And we got the people, we got an extras. They lied.

2282
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 3: They really from the hood, you know, they hang it,

2283
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. They just getting paid to

2284
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 3: hang it there at the course.

2285
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 2: So they play the music. Everybody gonna start dancing, you know,

2286
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 2: direcord break hold on.

2287
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,560
Speaker 3: You know, if people just didn't take twenty minutes to

2288
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 3: con people down and they have a dance contest, it

2289
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 3: was fun.

2290
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 4: Man.

2291
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 3: That wouldn't even work. Man, that wouldn't even work. That

2292
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 3: was just that was fun man. I was so I

2293
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 3: appreciate Kyrie forgiving, you know, looking out, letting us get

2294
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 3: in on that with him.

2295
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to the league.

2296
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: You played in the Dirty West, and there was a

2297
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: lot of great powerfuls in the Dirty West.

2298
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 4: So if you had to start cut or bench somebody.

2299
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: So if you had to start cut a bench with

2300
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 1: she Kg and Duncan, who would you start?

2301
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 4: Who would you cut? And who would you Vnce.

2302
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 3: That's up.

2303
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna betch she only because of total career length,

2304
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 2: Ben she just because full resume. But Rash and KG

2305
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: were the two guys that was the hardest for me

2306
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 2: to score on.

2307
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 4: So I get that.

2308
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 2: But so I'm gonna start KG and I'm a bench

2309
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 2: tien and uh cut see make me cut my man.

2310
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 1: See, man, you play with a lot of good players

2311
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: and a couple of teams. If you had to pick

2312
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 1: four other players out of all the teams and rosters

2313
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 1: used to have played, all who would beat them?

2314
01:40:49,800 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 2: Four other players? Doug Christie Spree, well the yo, Yeah, yeah,

2315
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 2: shout out to she straight.

2316
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 3: I mean it's so many, you know, but use those

2317
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 3: the first thing that come to mind, man, because something

2318
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 3: different for me.

2319
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 2: Some because they made me better, something cause they cold.

2320
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, those four. I feel bad because this type

2321
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 2: of ship. My brother's gonna be killing me.

2322
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 3: Like this is your man? Then when he did this fun,

2323
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 3: you ain't gonna saying his name me wrapped fire, hit me,

2324
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:30,639
Speaker 3: rapping fire.

2325
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 4: I don't know, man.

2326
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: When I asked the start bench cut question that I

2327
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: put Jordan Dame in there instead of she and she

2328
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: looked the.

2329
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 4: Same way like a ship. Wait, so who man, I

2330
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 4: can't remember who she?

2331
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 3: I can't remember I cut she I'm already that's that's

2332
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 3: not the game, y'all.

2333
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: I remember the wards y'all used to have. Man, I'm

2334
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: just some good basketball to watch. Man, y'all at power

2335
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: for all y'all in the same conference.

2336
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 5: Hey, this is what I want to ask you know,

2337
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 5: like we were talking about this earlier, would you rather

2338
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 5: get dunk thom because all of us here and this

2339
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 5: we haven't been dunk on. You know, we dunked on

2340
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 5: people too, We didn't been dumped on. So would you

2341
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 5: rather get dunk thom or what you rather get stiff on?

2342
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 5: Like King Henry be laying these boys down? Like which

2343
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 5: one you feel is the worst?

2344
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 3: Stiff? Am I pulling? If you still find me, am

2345
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 3: I pulling you down with your arm or you just

2346
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 3: threw me?

2347
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 5: Now you getting like how how you sit there and

2348
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 5: hearing y'all here doing these people just like they body

2349
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 5: go that way while he's still running like Juggernaut or something,

2350
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 5: or like.

2351
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 3: Shock dunking on David Robinson.

2352
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 5: See that's what I'm saying, Like he was talking about

2353
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 5: you guys, see that it depends you talking about dunking

2354
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 5: on David Robinson like.

2355
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 4: Man Chicago and rolled his back on out of bounds

2356
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 4: step off.

2357
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love because at least the d B at

2358
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 3: least the d D like one hundred pounds light or something. Maybe.

2359
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah that.

2360
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 5: So this is one of my favorite questions. I like

2361
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 5: to ask man, we all, like you said, we come

2362
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,680
Speaker 5: from the hood. We ain't really you know, had a lot.

2363
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 5: You had a crazy first year contract. So like when

2364
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 5: you got that bag, what did c web go do?

2365
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 5: I ain't talking about going about my mother. I'm talking

2366
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 5: about what you did. I'm gonna say that, you know, yeah,

2367
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 5: you get mom in the first you a care mom. Dude,

2368
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 5: we all did that. I'm talking about what you did.

2369
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 5: What the hood want to hear? What we want to hear.

2370
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 5: We got big chains and all that. What did What

2371
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 5: did s web do?

2372
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 3: All right, So let me say I took care of

2373
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 3: moms them first, and then uh I had to get

2374
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 3: some pink Gators for the pink big black Morris for

2375
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 3: the party I was having because pink gays was that

2376
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:12,600
Speaker 3: burg and uh I bought I bought it.

2377
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 4: Like Iceman, I said.

2378
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:23,480
Speaker 3: Eldorader got a black other rider. I bought a suburban.

2379
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 3: At the time, it was like suburbans just came up,

2380
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 3: and I wanted them to make the loudest truck in

2381
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 3: the world. And so I had you indeed mad six, no,

2382
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 3: ten tens. Oh my god, your body was vibrating in

2383
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 3: that truck. I took the back seat out. The only

2384
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 3: thing I had was two seats in the suburban. The

2385
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 3: rest were sounds. To the point I told him, like,

2386
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 3: if I drive down the street and I don't set

2387
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 3: off Carl lons or you know what I mean, Like

2388
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 3: I broke the window in the cors So that's the

2389
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 3: stupid sh Like I wanted the loudest. I wanted the

2390
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 3: loudest car in the world. That's those are my goals

2391
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 3: back then.

2392
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 5: So did you like your body been hurt, like you

2393
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,479
Speaker 5: should have had vertigo or something like you was kind.

2394
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it didn't make sense, like I'm sure hearing

2395
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 3: problems and ship like that. Like it was. People talked

2396
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 3: about it like friends. They were just like, it's ridiculous.

2397
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 2: You don't want to bence, you don't want you know

2398
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 2: what I'm saying something for yourself.

2399
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I want the loudest truck in the world,

2400
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 3: you know, in the world. That's what I wanted, man,

2401
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I bought the first two things, some some

2402
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 3: gators and that, and then I you know, I probably

2403
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 3: bought some more stupid ship then got to it, but

2404
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 3: I got to figure out what I put in it,

2405
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 3: because when I tell you, it would be much better

2406
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 3: than what I'm saying. But it was full of speakers

2407
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 3: and it was nice. How did your mom and dad

2408
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 3: look at you and they saw like the idiot, like

2409
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 3: this is you gonna do? Tell me? You know what

2410
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 3: is this gona do? This?

2411
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2412
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

2413
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 5: It ain't nobody gonna make you feel bad about about

2414
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 5: something you do to your No, they're gonna tell you

2415
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 5: like this.

2416
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 3: Did we waiting for this with the workers punk? A

2417
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 3: white suburban with sounds and only three people could sit there?

2418
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 5: Okay, what was the first track you threw in there?

2419
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 5: To see how loud it was gonna beat up the block?

2420
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 3: This is so this draft here?

2421
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this ninety three, So ninety three had to

2422
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 2: be Oh that's nice, that's wo like this ninety three.

2423
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 2: That's when that's when things start getting man, that's when

2424
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 2: things started getting right.

2425
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,520
Speaker 3: Something something.

2426
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 4: The floating changed up a little bit, you know. You know.

2427
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, since we talk about music,

2428
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 1: what was the first CD you bought with your own money?

2429
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 4: Man?

2430
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 3: Damn, that's a good question, boy, boy, that's a good question.

2431
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 3: Probably Dig that Cane, Probably Dig they Cane Tribe date myself,

2432
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 3: but it had to be you know eight eighty yeah,

2433
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 3: eighty seven, eighty eight, something like that, Clinic Enemy something, Yeah,

2434
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 3: something like that. Remember my first album, the first album

2435
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 3: I ever bought with that Twister? Twister? Really yeah, right up?

2436
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 3: You know, you know my crucial conflict to do it? Mann?

2437
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,440
Speaker 3: You know what's that down exactly?

2438
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: When you look back at your career and so forth,

2439
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: for the impact of you and your homeboys had on

2440
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 1: the culture.

2441
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 4: How appreciative of that? When you hear folks were like,

2442
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,560
Speaker 4: man like, y'all was it?

2443
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: Y'all brought the swag to it, the shorts, the black

2444
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: socks like that changed the whole culture, like hip.

2445
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,120
Speaker 3: Hop, I mean a lot. Man.

2446
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 2: All the means that you inspired somebody to do what

2447
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 2: they were supposed to do, you know what I mean?

2448
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 2: So you can't take credit like, yeah, we the man

2449
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 2: who made you. But you know we were going through

2450
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 2: then what you're going through now, and you step you

2451
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and you feel that and you

2452
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 2: feel that sin saety. So I'm grateful. I'm thankful more

2453
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 2: than anything in this sports career that I'm one of

2454
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 2: the people you know, no matter what I have, no matter.

2455
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 3: What, this that you know good love. And that to

2456
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 3: me means the most because that's what you do it

2457
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 3: for when it's no guarantees. You know, we do it

2458
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 3: for the dream of it, you know. And if you

2459
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:23,640
Speaker 3: then told me in the beginning I would have this

2460
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 3: career and the love, I just said, Okay, I don't

2461
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 3: even want no more, you know. And so that's why

2462
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 3: I love watching y'all. That's why I love watching the

2463
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:35,520
Speaker 3: young boys because whatever they saw in me that they appreciate,

2464
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:38,719
Speaker 3: I seen in y'all. I appreciate it. So I'm grateful

2465
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 3: for that. I'll be all five if I lost that love.

2466
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:43,640
Speaker 2: I've always been grateful for that and for me do

2467
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 2: to ups and downs, through accusations, through playing with teams

2468
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 2: like that, through being part of five five and people

2469
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 2: didn't like us when we were out. We always knew

2470
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 2: our culture or help us up, you know, you could

2471
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 2: go back and look at interviews and I'm saying in

2472
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 2: the interview at eighteen years old, I don't care what

2473
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 2: anybody in this preshcompas think of me.

2474
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 3: The black community in Detroit is owning on the homey.

2475
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 2: Now, this is what we said then. So I hope

2476
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 2: we earned that love when that trust because and we

2477
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 2: knew it. We knew that the rest of this world

2478
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 2: didn't love us.

2479
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 3: You know. So hopefully we show some strengths that others

2480
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,600
Speaker 3: can take on and using their journey, because you know,

2481
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 3: gets harded every day. I appreciate the love.

2482
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,680
Speaker 5: How was it for you to return to Michigan. I

2483
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 5: watched that, you know, with the when you went back

2484
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 5: to the football game and stuff like that. How dope

2485
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:28,320
Speaker 5: of a feeling was that?

2486
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:30,560
Speaker 3: Because that was cool, man, because Pops, you know what

2487
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he was he was out there with the

2488
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:34,400
Speaker 3: hundred thousand. I was out there with my brothers. It

2489
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 3: was love. And I think Coach Harball for inviting me back,

2490
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,759
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So you know it was crazy.

2491
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 2: The fact man that Terry Wallas talking to New Duan

2492
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:47,720
Speaker 2: before this pandemic broke up the basketball again, because you know,

2493
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 2: I think we're fifteen to one something like that in

2494
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 2: Michigan right now.

2495
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 3: Something like yeah kicking as ye kick it that it

2496
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 3: felt so good to get back, you know. I called

2497
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 3: him like when we're gonna do this, you know, And

2498
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 3: so we were making plans to let me get up

2499
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 3: there with the fellas before the second wave.

2500
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 2: But it was love, man. It was we grew there

2501
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 2: and we helped make that place what it is. So

2502
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 2: it was dope being you know, welcome back with over

2503
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 2: and arms.

2504
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:17,719
Speaker 1: How you feel about what Jawana is doing in Juwan

2505
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:22,600
Speaker 1: getting the opportunity at Michigan. He's a great, great guy, like,

2506
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 1: but it's the sens that he has there and the

2507
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 1: hard work he put in to achieve that and finally

2508
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 1: get an opportunity at Michigan.

2509
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:32,400
Speaker 4: How do you feel about him achieving that? Man?

2510
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,240
Speaker 3: Just to me, like how things start to change, meaning

2511
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 3: like you know, whether it's corporations, whether people, it's like

2512
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 3: they always it's like they never reward the people that

2513
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 3: are in it and allowed them to take everybody to

2514
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 3: the next level. For me, Johannas when he was playing

2515
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 3: with us, he was a coach, you know what I mean.

2516
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 3: When he played in Miami and got older, it was

2517
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 3: running and he was on the side. He was a coach.

2518
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:54,680
Speaker 2: When he was a coach, he was a coach, you

2519
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:56,880
Speaker 2: know what I mean. He's been through it like like

2520
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 2: so many coaches come to their parents.

2521
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 3: And say, I can help this young man.

2522
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 2: Y'all ain't never been half as broke as we were.

2523
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:04,519
Speaker 2: You ain't never live in a neighborhood like this.

2524
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 3: You don't know what I have to go through. Now,

2525
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 3: that don't mean you can't help me, but I oftentimes

2526
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:11,680
Speaker 3: need somebody that can relate. It ain't nothing you can

2527
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 3: say to that man and he not relates, you know

2528
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,519
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So he knows what it's like to

2529
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:16,760
Speaker 3: do this.

2530
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 2: He knows what it's like, and therefore he can give

2531
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 2: you out his opinion. He can help me, and he

2532
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 2: holds you accountable. That's what I love. He's a hard worker.

2533
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 2: He never was the fake Rara dude. That's why what

2534
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,680
Speaker 2: you're doing the cabbage passional. It's funny because that's his

2535
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 2: expression because everything else was gone. He's just gonna work

2536
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 2: and get it done, you know, you know what I mean.

2537
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 3: So you know when it comes to men, these the

2538
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 3: men that I trust the most, just by what he

2539
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 3: does says acts. And so I love the fact that

2540
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:46,840
Speaker 3: he's in his leadership position because he would have been

2541
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 3: the fourth coach on the bench forever as long as

2542
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 3: he didn't take away from his family, because he loves

2543
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 3: sports that much and he knows the game where he'll

2544
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 3: be the head guy. And I'm glad that he's showing

2545
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:00,400
Speaker 3: everybody now what the hell of a j you can

2546
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,680
Speaker 3: do to me? He coached the year this show. I

2547
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 3: don't know how I mean, you know, it's first year.

2548
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,600
Speaker 3: He can be recruiting class. Y'all kids better sign with

2549
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 3: Michigan with him, uh Ron, I don't just League of

2550
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 3: recruiting right now, he better go get everybody he played

2551
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 3: with too.

2552
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 5: All the kids gotta come through that though. Everybody to

2553
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 5: go through all of that and everything y'all been through.

2554
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 5: And now you look at it. You know what I'm saying.

2555
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 5: Y'all had great NBA careers. Everybody make good money. And

2556
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 5: you look at the positions y'all in now you look

2557
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,759
Speaker 5: at Juwan, you look at you, you look at Jaalen.

2558
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,680
Speaker 5: How does that make you feel when you just look

2559
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:37,640
Speaker 5: at you know what I'm saying that the sustainability you

2560
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 5: all and all came through with and just still being

2561
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 5: able to be here.

2562
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, charulout to Ray Jackson. He running basketball in Austin, Texas.

2563
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:47,679
Speaker 2: He got the young boys playing, and Charlotte and Jimmy

2564
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 2: King because he's doing this thing.

2565
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 3: I mean, Jalen, you know, he's doing this thing on TV.

2566
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:55,400
Speaker 3: You can't turn on the TV and I see him,

2567
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 3: you know.

2568
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 2: And Juwanna you know, it's just a blessing dog Like

2569
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 2: it's it's crazy because it kind of makes sense. Like

2570
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 2: me and j would talk about, you know, man, we

2571
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 2: could do I mean, we used to say we could

2572
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 2: do what we're going to Tony Kornhi is doing because

2573
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 2: we used to watch the show a lot, and you know,

2574
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,240
Speaker 2: because it's cool to have a brother you can argue

2575
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 2: with and not like fake stuff.

2576
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 3: You know, you could really have true opinions and then

2577
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 3: go home and be like whatever and do another show.

2578
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about that and just seeing it. Man,

2579
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 3: all I can say is God is good man.

2580
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 2: Like being young, it was like you knew you was

2581
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,360
Speaker 2: special because everybody special, and you knew my maybe you

2582
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 2: call something, but it ain't no way you would think

2583
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 2: now that this would happen because we just wanted to

2584
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 2: play ball. We just wanted to go to same high school.

2585
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:39,839
Speaker 2: We just wanted to play in the same college.

2586
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 3: You know.

2587
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:42,640
Speaker 2: So when I see it, man, every time, I'm just

2588
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 2: I'm just grateful, even if I'm yelling at the team

2589
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 2: from not rebounding or laughing at the point old boy,

2590
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 2: make like that's crazy, Like, I'm just thankful we get

2591
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 2: to you know, I'm just thankful, man, We should not.

2592
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people started off with us

2593
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:58,600
Speaker 2: and are no longer here because they didn't have the

2594
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 2: opportunity crime hit them or you know something.

2595
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 3: You know, so we just blessed, right, Yeah, Like.

2596
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 5: You talk about your mom and your pops a lot.

2597
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,720
Speaker 5: Tell me about the impact that they had on you

2598
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 5: and how they helped mold you to be the way

2599
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 5: you are because you spoke on them a lot of.

2600
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 3: Different times and a lot of different scenarios. Just tell

2601
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 3: you about your pops and mom's impact on you. Uh yeah, man,

2602
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:23,919
Speaker 3: the two totally different opposites.

2603
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:27,639
Speaker 2: My mother, you know, educator, crazy degrees and my father's

2604
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 2: a self made man that was on the plantations in

2605
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,480
Speaker 2: the South, and he taught me to be a man,

2606
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 2: taught me to fuck the world and there's no excuses.

2607
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 2: To love those that you're with and keep your word

2608
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 2: and to keep it moving. Don't be let by emotions.

2609
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 2: And you know, my mother would teach me to ask

2610
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,400
Speaker 2: for more, to put your foot on her neck and game.

2611
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 3: She was funny. She didn't even liked sports. You know.

2612
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 2: She was on me about education, or she was on

2613
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 2: me about narratives. Like she would always say, you know,

2614
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 2: when Jackie Robinson died, he was mad than one of

2615
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 2: another black managers. Man, Like my mom's real, like she's

2616
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:06,240
Speaker 2: the well watch the news together when I was little,

2617
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:07,680
Speaker 2: and she said, you see how they said that, and

2618
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:09,760
Speaker 2: you see how they called that man. And that's why

2619
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 2: I commentate today. It's not a school or anything. It's

2620
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 2: because of her perspective. And I'm not afraid to say

2621
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:17,839
Speaker 2: what I want. So I just it's just so important

2622
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 2: to people that in your life, you know, being the

2623
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 2: oldest five, they had the biggest you know, I wanted

2624
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 2: to go to a high school because of basketball and

2625
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 2: then a broke house, one bathroom, seven people. My mother said, no,

2626
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:32,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna go here for education. Like she never was

2627
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 2: a fan. You know what I mean, how your mom

2628
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 2: tell you I ain't your friend.

2629
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 3: I'm your mama, even though you know you love like

2630
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 3: and them holding you know, holding us accountable. You know

2631
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 3: what I mean. You know, she just she was just dope. Man.

2632
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 2: You know, both my parents and you know, like many

2633
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:49,120
Speaker 2: other parents are, they just have me accountable. And then

2634
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 2: when I got to what I got, they said, that's dope.

2635
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 2: But you're doing what else's next? You know it's there more.

2636
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 3: But they just encouraging. But it was so dope to

2637
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:58,400
Speaker 3: bring my pops to the game. I don't know if

2638
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 3: y'all got any family members like this, but my pops

2639
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:03,840
Speaker 3: know everybody. I don't even know people. And he was like, yeah,

2640
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 3: I talked to car Malone the other day. I'm like,

2641
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 3: how you talking to Carmelo. Yeah, yeah, we're on the phone.

2642
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 3: He's going to man, like you the type of dude

2643
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 3: I take to the games. Man, He's sitting over in

2644
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 3: the corner, righting in the pensil. Man. I'm like, man,

2645
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 3: excuse me, man, don't let my pops or something or

2646
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:24,720
Speaker 3: you know, Kyle Lowry I was talking two years ago. Man.

2647
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, me and your father was talking about

2648
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 3: some business. And I'm like, man, it's funny. But he

2649
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 3: my pops is in the league. He don't one. He

2650
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 3: enjoyed the league more than anybody. Put it that way,

2651
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 3: just be with his fans, Bill Russell and them. When

2652
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 3: I saw that he could.

2653
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 2: Smile and just be the man, no, I was like, yeah,

2654
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 2: John done many straight.

2655
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 3: He's straight. I'm all right, man, that's a wrap. Man.

2656
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 5: This has been too dope. We appreciate you, o G.

2657
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 5: This is one of the realists, and we've been waiting

2658
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 5: to get you. I know you've been waiting on us,

2659
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 5: but we've been waiting to get you, man, and this

2660
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 5: was let there. We appreciate you coming home. Hey man,

2661
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. So man, keep in right. Hall of Fame.

2662
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,400
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me on. Man, y'all show us dope.

2663
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:38,840
Speaker 4: Yes, I appreciate it. The Players Tribute dot Com