WEBVTT - Gen Z Has Entered the Chat Pt.1 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.280 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.120 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.360 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:14.400 Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is episode counted seventy five. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.480 I seventy five. I don't know. I'm thinking of, you know, 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.000 driving the state of Florida. Anyway of Native Lamp Pod. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.720 That seventy fifth episode, and we're excited to continue to 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:28.800 break down all things politics and culture. We're so happy 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.320 to be back with you today. I'm joined, of course, 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:36.520 by my fellow co hosts. We are Tiffany Crass, tiff 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.360 Aziel Lai, and I'm Andrew Guillam. What's up here? 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.000 Is the only one that will introduce you or me first, 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:45.080 and never himself. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:50.400 It is fascinating. Appreciate you, I know, but you introduced 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:50.960 us first. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.320 I'm never gonna say first with y'all. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.880 I know you're a gentleman. I just want to say, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.840 servant of the most tired God. But praise we we 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:05.959 miss you. Did did you go on the space shuttle 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:06.520 with Gail? 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:08.840 You know what you got? 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:09.240 Jokes? 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.960 Did you see how horrified Gil looked Gail? 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:12.880 Look? 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.720 Yeah, I'm not happy about it. Even the comments that 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.280 she made afterwards when she was talking about Jeff Bezos 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.520 is doing wonderful things, it just feels like a real 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.360 strong disconnect with community. It was we all rooting for 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.840 Caitlyn Clark. Now is Jeff Bezos is doing wonderful things 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.160 somewhere between Chicago and Santa Barbara Oprah and Gale's like, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:33.480 I love you. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.039 Sign up for this shade. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.160 I was just asking about the Space Shuttle, cheat, I 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.160 just I just, oh, you. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.560 Well, you know, I'm I'm very honest, and so the honest. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.720 Take for me, And she was just asking about Andrew 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:47.639 being at NASA and the Space Shuttle. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:48.000 That's all. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.880 Oh lord, I think I'm going back to NASA next week. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.120 All right, So I've got all that I missed y'all 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.080 so much last week out of my out of my system, 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.760 and I want to know what are we talking about today, 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:03.520 what's on the what's on our minds? 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.680 Well, Tips likes to be in the comments, So it 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:08.799 sounds like we got a little dragged in the comments. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.320 A lot of folks not watching the whole show for context, 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.040 and some folks who did and still there are I 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.079 think disagreeing and dissentive views on this, But we really 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.760 want to talk about is this narrative I think of 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.440 rest and recovery and whether you're working or not, are 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.640 you doing both, especially when it comes to the young people. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.240 So I'd love to hear what y'all think about that. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:36.000 Yeah, rest as resistance, as as I've been hearing former resistance. Yeah, okay, tip, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:37.359 But for what. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.160 I just wanted to say, we want to thank Roland 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:44.720 Martin for he joined us in your stead and what 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.480 happened in your absence Andrew is there was a conversation 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:53.920 around young folks. Yes, and Angela has some strong thoughts 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.160 as their Row, so I think that was the clipper 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:57.679 about the place. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:03.320 Sorry, well yes, but let me just say this again, Row. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.919 I said it in a video I sent, but the 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.360 show hadn't run yet. Thank you brother, as always for 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.680 stepping in and holding all of us down. In this case, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.880 I appreciate you holding holding me down and you know, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:15.960 getting some conversation started. Row. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.200 Row check as only he does. 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.600 As only you do. Let's check out what you started. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:30.040 Man, gen X, millennials and gen Z. This is the 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.400 generations that are what I call post civil rights movement babies. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:44.440 Those three generations have been making withdraws from the Black 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:52.360 Bank of Justice and have not made reciprocal deposits. We 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:57.240 cannot continue to ask baby boomers, who are now in 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.080 their seventies and eighties to keep doing work while we 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.000 sit our asset brunch, while we hang out, or we 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.680 take multiple vacations, or while we check out of the 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.440 process and sit down on the couch. The reason Black 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.440 voter turnout is down is not because we just so 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:16.479 just checked out. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:21.680 It's because the black infrastructure going door to door free 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:26.800 syncs vota mobilization. Those people are retired or they died, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.640 and we have to somehow wake the hell up and 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.480 realize now is our time. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.120 You've been bitching about the baton. Now it's time for 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.200 your ass to run the race. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:37.960 What's up? 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.320 Native Lampid? First of all, let me start by saying, 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.440 I love y'all's down. Okay. My name is Avian. I'm 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.000 a civil rights lawyer, and I am a millennial. I 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.160 listened to last week's episode, and I have a lot 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.400 of thoughts. I got a lot of feelings, okay, but 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:52.920 one of those thing that I feel like it kind 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.040 of lacked nuances. So I'm really excited that you all 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.800 are open to having younger voices to engage in this conversation. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.279 I really think we should consider all of the factors 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.200 that go into play as to why certain people are 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.599 choosing to withdraw from movement spaces and choosing not to 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.280 engage in the ways that we've seen before. I think 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.920 that black people are right now are choosing rest as 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.680 resistance and intentionally creating spaces of black joy. But I 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.479 totally agree with the premise of what you all were saying. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.159 I just think we need to dig a little bit 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.480 deeper and consider the why. Why are younger generations not 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:30.280 showing up? 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:31.839 How does community look. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.800 Different for us than it did in the civil rights movement? 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.840 How have we been siloed and individualized in a way 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.840 that is harming us and impacting our community. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.280 There's so many things. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.039 That I have to say, so many thoughts. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.279 Thank you again for considering opening up this space, and 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.160 y'all continue to do the work that you're doing. I 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.520 appreciate y'all, and y'all have a good one. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:54.080 Thanks. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:06:00.840 I love it, I love it, I love that, I 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:01.800 love the ownership. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.000 So if you're wondering what we're talking about today, that 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.000 is what we're talking about today young folks and what 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.320 is going on with young people, particularly as it relates 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.320 to our politics. So I just want to give the 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.440 listeners and viewers a little bit of background. There are 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.760 currently in the United States just sigh of seventy million 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.560 gen Zers living in America. Gen Zers are born between 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.200 nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve. They represent, you guys, 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.200 about twenty five percent of the American population, which is 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.400 a sizable portion. In this year, they will be turning 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.400 between fourteen and twenty eight years old. This is the 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.120 newest generation to gain influence across the world in the 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.159 workforce now that they're old enough to vote. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:43.520 They are the. 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:48.119 Last generation, the last generation in which the majority identifies 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.120 as white. Fourteen percent of this generation identifies as black, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.359 which is pretty much on par with the national population, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.640 given that black folks represent fourteen percent of the US 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:05.719 popular This last or in November twenty twenty two, they 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:10.320 had both the lowest registration voting rate of all generations. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.480 So I'm excited to dig in and actually hear from 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:15.760 folks from this generation. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.000 So we have some young folks to get it off 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.960 their chests with us. They are doing amazing things. Victoria 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.280 Panel is someone who I have known since her eighth grade. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.200 She was very, very active in the National Action Network. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.640 She asked me to speak at her eighth grade graduation. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.600 She is now one of our lead soldiers on State 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.080 of the People's Power Tour and she is also an 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.160 organizer with Untel Freedom and social impact advisor with we 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:43.680 Inspire Justice. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:44.640 Welcome To's sister. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.640 We have ty Hobson Powell who's an international community advocate 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.360 and he is joining us as well. He's a native 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:59.760 Washingtonian and lifelong community advocate. Welcome Tie. And we also 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:03.280 have Marlee Das. I know y'all know this young lady, 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.120 very very powerful, doing incredible work. She's an activist and author, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.080 a producer and creator of one thousand Black Girls Black 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.800 Girl Books. And I got to tell you, I remember 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.440 when Marley was a small little child. I used to 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.480 hate when people did it. So when we were growing up, y'all, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.040 I remember when you was this big, and Marley is 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.440 still killing it. So these young foot soldiers are made 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.120 for the work. So we welcome y'all, and thank you 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:25.880 so much for joining. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.960 Welcome home, Thank you, thank you all. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.480 Are you kidding we're honored, we're under to haf y'all. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.880 So I understand now I missed last week's episode, so 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.959 I get to play real ignorant on some things, so 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.480 long as my opinion isn't being asked. I'm curious as 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.520 you all listen to the episode, I assume you make 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.480 a Maybe I shouldn't assume, but I hope you make 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.080 a regular habit of listening from week to week, and 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.600 you can sort of tell when dynamics are are excitable 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.160 in the space and when you know, you know, we're 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.680 just chilling a little bit. And it's seems like last 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.600 week I listened to the show as well and had 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.800 some thoughts. But I'm curious to know what prick, y'all, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.400 what what made you say a man? What made you say? 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:08.720 Ouch? 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:11.880 I mean? 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.080 And don't all jump it once? 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.200 I think Marley started, Marley you had the floor. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.040 Yeah, no worries. I think one thing that I really 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.320 enjoyed the conversation. First of all, I think that it's 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.960 very important to hear perspectives from all generations about what's 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.640 happening and kind of the stagnation that we're all feeling 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.360 when it comes to justice. That like we are experiencing 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.800 the beginning of a fascist country, and we are not 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.320 seeing people jump up in the streets or you know, 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.360 walk out every day speaking on this in the way 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.080 that we need to speak about it. I think the 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.840 one thing that pricked me the most, that I feel 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.960 like is kind of a related to that stagnation, is 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.520 how how little a conversation around racial capitalism has had 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.920 and how much of the difference between this is kind 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.520 of the civil rights movement being understood as a civic 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.800 and legal issue where we're looking for the passing of 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.480 a civil Rights Act, we're looking for the end of 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.240 an apartheid between black folks and white folks, but now recognizing, 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.040 just as we said with gen Z, that we're moving 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:08.400 into this multi racial, multi ethnic, incredibly diverse society where 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.200 we have nine hundred billionaires in the United States, and 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.200 that you know, the black bank of justice in many 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:18.280 ways has just been completely upturned by racial capitalism. And 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.360 I think it's an important conce part of the conversation. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.320 Why it was so eager to talk is because I 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:23.960 agree with the points that are being made, and I 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.079 think so much more of this is an issue around 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:28.960 the breaking down of like our wealth gap is the 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.560 same as it was in the nineteen sixties. Black folks 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.240 still are meeting and wealth. Their median wealth becomes like 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.400 ten percent. I'm pretty sure of white folks on average, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.600 and that hasn't moved since the sixties, And I think 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.880 that plays a big role in this idea of our bank. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.400 Is like, if the bank is staying the same size 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.319 for us, but the bank is growing at these exponential 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.560 rates for tech billionaires and tech CEOs, that means our 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.760 bank exists, but it's just so small now, and we 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.480 didn't know that it would need to get that big. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.200 So I'm excited to talk about ways that we can 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.199 make it bigger and hopefully make it more expansive. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:11.720 That uh, Victoria, what about you? 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:14.240 Oh all right now? 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.679 You know I love young folks. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.720 I have been in this movement for a long time, 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.160 since I was twelve years old, and so I'm automatically 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.720 going to defend young people. For me, it was the 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.600 withdrawal statement. You know, I don't think that we're withdrawn 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.559 from the movement. I think our deposits just look different. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.240 They show up differently. I think young people are organizing 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.160 on a true grassroots level with mutual aid, showing up 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.520 for each other, raising money for each other, cooking meals 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.439 for each other, Like we often use our joy as 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.640 our weapon, and our fight looks different, but we're still 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.720 in the ring. And you also have to think too. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.719 This generation has lived through COVID. We've watched pillars in 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.240 our community and our families quite literally die, and then 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.280 we're not able to see them. Some young people didn't 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.560 even get to enjoy their graduations. We've lived through Trayvon Martin, 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.599 which for a lot of young people served as the 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.800 catalyst to their advocacy. We've been a countless funerals of 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.000 young black folks who are killed by police officers who 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.000 are supposed to serve and protect us. I mean George Floyd, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.560 Eric Gardner, Mike Brown, Sameer Y, Sandra Blain. I mean, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.120 the list, unfortunately just goes on and on and on. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.000 I mean, we've lived through watching our friends get deported, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.400 like people are getting deported. We're watching colleges that we 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.840 work so hard to get into study day in and 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.440 day out, erasing our history and telling us that the 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.400 efforts for DEI are just not important. Students are being 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.120 arrested on campus or protesting. I mean with a stroke 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.200 of a pen. We're watching students who work so hard 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.400 to make it into a university be deported. We've lived 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.800 through now too, Trump presidencies where we are watching this 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:45.480 orange man literally strip everything that our ancestors have fought for. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.439 So should we be outraged, Hell yeah, But I can 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.840 also understand why young people are exhausted and while we're drained, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.280 we have to create space for people who are watching 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.280 everything that's happening and feel like all they can do 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.560 is ensure their own survival because it's honestly, it's scary 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.439 out there, and I think that that's where our compassion 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.000 and our empathy come into play. It's a movement of love. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.880 There is no movement without love, and that has to 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.840 include people who just want to exist. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:15.280 I am. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.559 I know we just lost Tie, and I just want 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.600 to know we are having some production challenges, but I'm 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.240 sure we're going to have him back. I have one question, 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.319 and I really Tiff and Andrew, I want to hear 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.600 this from y'all too. When I went back, I don't 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.839 know why I thought that the conversation was just on 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.240 young people. When we heard Roland today, he said gen 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:37.240 X millennials and gen Z are withdrawing more than their depositing. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.120 I'm curious to know if you all think that when 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.240 we consider the masses, are people doing more withdraws or 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.720 are they doing more deposits? And like why, like what 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.439 do we really believe about all across generations, tiff to 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.640 shout out your show, what do we think about that? 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.080 Like that is that really a thing? Do we really 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.000 think people are depositing more in the Bank of Black Justice? 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.120 Knowing that that's not a check you can necessary of 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.040 the cash, but it's about a movement? 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.280 Do you really think that, Angela and asking that when 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.880 we talk about just for the audience and ourselves, we're 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.360 not talking about a little This is not a literal 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.000 banks should be a literal base. There should be a 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.520 literle bank. There ain't no doubt about it. There's no 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.120 doubt about it. But in this instance, we're trying to say, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.440 are people on the whole giving more to this universal 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:28.680 movement based fight toward I hope freedom, or are folks 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.400 sort of kind of laying on the laurels of what's 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.040 come before and the fights that are being had and 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.720 the fighters who are acting on their behalf? Is it 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.200 more of one or the other, or do you reject 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.720 the premise of the question. It's it's y'all's turn. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.040 Us as the young folks. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.080 Well, yeah, weigh in that, Yeah on that, Yeah, I 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:51.080 think it's a conversation. 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.240 Yeah, I mean I think that I do not think 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.080 first of all, outright, I don't think that gen Z 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:57.800 is laying on their laurels. I mean I can speak 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.280 for my own personal experience of the work. I is 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.680 that I started at ten years old collecting and donating 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.800 books with black girls as the main character and have 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.600 now collected fifteen thousand. So I feel like with my 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.080 work on its own, can speak for a lot of 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.600 the experiences for like young black educational justice. But I 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.680 really think once again that like this question I rejected 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.840 in a certain sense because there's also a question of 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:24.000 like modernity and a question of America changing from nineteen 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.480 fifty to nineteen sixty to twenty twenty four and twenty 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.760 twenty five where I feel like like social media and 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.920 smartphones have democratized activism, and when we think about the 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.720 Black Lives Matter movement, even George Floyd's death, it was 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.120 filmed because of a seventeen year old on their phone. 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.200 So when we think about the actual beginning of what 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.040 happened in twenty twenty, that was started by a young 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.560 teenage Black girl who recorded and started that like started 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.280 that movement up again in twenty twenty, obviously still founded 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.240 by millennials and Gen X who put that deposit in 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:53.800 the bank. So I feel like we can even see 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.760 then how it's intergenerational and how that's a major deposit. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.600 I think one big thing to also shout out is 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.920 climate justice. That younger generations and Gen Z have been 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:08.120 so focused on climate emergencies since I mean, for me, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.040 like I could say since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, but 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.240 because that is oftentimes an intersectional movement that talks about humanity, right, 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.560 we're talking about the earth. A lot of the times 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.280 older generations don't feel or understand the ways that it's 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.560 directly impacting Black communities. And I think now there's so 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.720 many more organizations like Black Girl and environmentalists or young 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.520 black climate leaders who are doing that work. But you know, 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.640 thirteen four percent of Black children have asthma, which is 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.880 double the rate of white children. That we are seventy 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.160 five percent more likely to live near industrial facilities, and 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.960 these you know, and these exposures to environmental harm play 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.680 the same amount of role in like this need to 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.280 rest as the issues happening in politics, where like if 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.000 we live in communities that are killing us, This is 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.560 why people feel that rest is resistance. And I think 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.920 those are kind of forces that combine themselves, as like 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.920 over half of people living and have and had near 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.680 hazardous waste, our people of color would make you want 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.960 to lay down too. So I think it's an important 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.200 thing that was that isn't always addressed in this conversation 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.320 around why people feel the need to rest, is that 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.679 so much of this environmental race, this environmental racism disparity, 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.720 directly impacts black health, which directly creates like the stagnation 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:16.320 that we're seeing. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.160 I gotta I gotta just say, though, I'm gonna push 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.960 y'all a little bit because I've known about you all, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.000 have known you for a long time. You all are, 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.600 to me are the exception and not the norm. I 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.760 think that when I consider Andrew, Andrew is an exception 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.840 and not the norm. Tiff is an exception and not 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.400 the norm. When we talk about this space, this isn't 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.040 a place that people volunteer to get in with at 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.240 massive numbers. They might go to a fight back protest 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.639 or fight the Oligarchy rally with Bernie and AOC and 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.600 even a lot of they don't look like us. You know, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.240 Black Lives Matter was started by three black women, so 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.120 it was supported by the masses. But when we think 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.040 about how we are contributing to movements rit large, are 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.919 you y'all really going to tell me that more often 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.239 than not, the black people in your families and your 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.280 friend groups are overwhelmingly supporting these movements. Because that's not 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.680 my testimony. That's not true. I was born by raised 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.400 born and raised by an activists. Most of my family 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.000 doesn't even they support it, but they're not engaged. So 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.000 if y'all are telling. 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.200 Me they're engaged, I just want to see the math. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.159 I haven't seen the math, just I can tell you. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.040 Not true for any generation, by the way, But I 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:25.920 love what I'm saying. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I can tell you the math. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:29.200 I can. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.000 I've worked and grown up in Essex County, New Jersey, 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.320 and I've worked with fifteen other girls who have done 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:38.119 social justice projects around STEM based education, done social just 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.879 like STEM based education wellness, mental health like all disability 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.800 access like I have seen this happen in Essex County, 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.520 New Jersey, where I am from, with the help of 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.879 the Grassroots Community Foundation. That there are so many grassroots 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.480 organizations that are leading and creating nonprofits to train young 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.760 girls of color. There's Girls for Gender Equity in New 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.000 York City. There's so many organizations that are doing this work. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.080 I think that a lot of this comes from this 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.000 idea that folks aren't engaged is because of this. I 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:07.880 think there's a lot of a focus on culture when 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.800 we talk about representation in black folks and pushing things forward, 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.920 and when we look in our culture right now, we 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.160 see black like black leaders being arrested on sex crime, 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.920 sexual assaulting. We see drama all over with former gen 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.400 X and millennial black leaders. A lot of black men 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.159 right now are being kind of policed in the public 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.399 eye for their celebrity and at the same time as 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.680 that that's what gets the highlight and not the story 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.840 of the young fifteen year old girls that are creating 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.840 mental health Day legislation, running a program like Greener Been 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:37.600 Week in New Jersey. That a lot of the times 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.600 when we think about where the lenses on black people 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.159 and what they are doing. They're being policed, but there 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.400 is no desire to cover a story of successful young 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.480 black girls and the stories of the twenty other girls 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.000 that have grown up doing the same work that I 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.880 do have just not received the same amount of media coverage, 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.040 have not received the same amount of funding. But I 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.200 think that to suggest that there are less people that 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.920 are engaged is it's an only issue of spotlight. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:00.480 It's not an. 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.119 Issue of engagement. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:03.840 That's fair. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.000 Let me just give a little pushback on that, because 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.480 what we looked at is the data of gen Z 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.720 ers who are participating in the electoral process. So perhaps 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.920 what you're saying is maybe you all don't view voting 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.720 as the only definition of being active in your community. 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.600 But the reality is that gen Z was the had 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:44.640 lower rates of civic engagement than any other generation. That's 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:56.440 true relatives, yes, but comparatively speaking to other generations. So 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:58.919 let me just let's get through and ask my question. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:04.239 I'm curious. It's kind of like when you go to 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.280 a school and you say, hey, we're having an after 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.440 school program for anyone who wants to go to college. 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:10.720 Come. 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.359 I would often have to tell educators and people in 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.120 the classroom. The people who show up to that program 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.560 are not always the people who need the most help. 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.360 They're the people who need the least help. Because they're 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:24.040 showing up, they're participating. So the young people I talk 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.199 to are not talking about climate justice. I applaud you 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.960 for doing that. I think that's amazing, but we have 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.080 to engage in the reality of this. The young people 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.440 I'm following. My feed is not full of young people 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.679 talking about climate justice. My feed is not full of 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.440 young people talking about registering the vote, and the data 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:44.000 doesn't support that itself. So it's not I'm certainly not 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.160 here to impugne the younger generation at all. It's more 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.320 of a case study. I want to listen and understand. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.160 So for the people who might not be like you, 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.200 For the people who are saying I don't participate, those 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.600 are people. Those are your peers and folks you talk to. 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.879 You've laid out some of the challenges looking at the 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.800 sixties to today, But what are things you're hearing from people, 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:10.760 your friends, your peers, who are not organizing around climate justice, 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.119 and who can't tell you who their member of Congress is, 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.359 and who have never voted in their life and they 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.040 don't feel any kind of way about it. And that's 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.040 it either one of you ladies who are willing to answer. 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:21.960 And I see we do have tie back tie. I 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:24.119 know we have a lot of technical difficulties. 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:25.040 So if you want to jump in. 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.920 On this question while we have you, please feel free, 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.240 sir h yeah, I just. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.160 Really quickly while you guys, can you hear me now? 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:33.879 Yes, yes, so hear you go right. 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.200 I wanted to jump in on something that I didn't 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.080 get a chance to comment on, which is that I 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.280 do think that it's important to hear what's true about 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.080 the critiques about this generation so that we can improve. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.760 I think, you know, same as every generation. Some folks 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.520 don't adequately deposit into the bank of justice. That was 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.800 true back in my Auntie's day. That was true back 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.560 in Grandma's day. It is true now. You know, you 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:55.480 have folks who say trendy shit like we are not 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:57.720 our ancestors, and it's not true in the flattering way 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.680 they think, because we can't give up Target or Starbucks 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.320 for our revolution, right, we aren't doing that. So I 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.159 do believe that there is some validity to the idea 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.440 that we are not doing all that we can. I mean, 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.159 the underground railroad was created with less than the resources. 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.320 Where's our support of infrastructure? Now with all of the 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.399 infrastructure on social media and things that we have, we 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.360 don't have it. So I think that some of those 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.960 critiques are true about their generation and the fact that 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:22.159 we don't show up in the way. 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:22.600 That we could. 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.200 But also think about the reasons why we aren't always 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.240 valued as leaders. Think about how many times that there 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.080 were voices under twenty five centered in those town halls 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.360 and panels leading up to the election. The same ones 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:36.520 who we tell are important for their vote didn't have 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.159 any representation on those big stages to talk to them 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.320 about why they should care or why they should have 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.199 a task. How many young voices are substantivity brought to 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.439 the table as collaborators. I mean I was in direct 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.080 contact with the Office of Public Engagement and they decided 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.200 that they would rather have K pop singers comes to 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.040 the White House than have black organizers from around the country. 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.400 We with the Domestic Policy Council, But. 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:57.000 It's not just that. 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.199 I was just a discernment in the past weekend with 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.159 Jamal Bryant where he was talking about how this is 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.320 the largest generation of black people making the exit from 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.640 the church. And when you look at church and its 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:11.440 ability to anchor movement, what are the reasons why church 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.040 isn't speaking our language. It's a reason why young people 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.399 want to go and sit bottomless mimosas then sit in 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.240 the church and be told a language that no longer 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.399 speaks to them. Right, and so it is something for 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.800 the church to say, Okay, I am losing my folks. 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.080 Let's make this adjustment. Because again, when we look at 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.199 this iteration of Black Lives Matter, it represents one of 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:33.600 the few movements social justice anchored that was not born 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.359 in the church where people were not getting their mandate 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.679 during Sunday sermon to be able to move around where there. 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:42.520 So we don't see the organization in that same way. Obviously, 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.960 there is some apathy as well, because we are stuck 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.399 in this lesser of the two evils paradigm where we 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.520 sitting there, we're looking at the inherently racist GOP and 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.600 then the slightly to the left Democrats who don't dare 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:55.959 do any damn bold thing. I mean, the thing is, 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:57.840 I was having a question with Lolo yesterday and she 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.359 asked me. She said, Hi, do you feel at aesthetic? 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:02.040 I said, I'm the father of a three year old 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.160 daughter who's going to grow up to be a black woman. 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.080 I can't afford to be apathetic. But I'm pissed off, 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.080 and I'm pissed off that I'm more pissed off than 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.640 the Democrats who say they are all leaders are. I'm 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:16.560 pissed off that we have somehow allowed diversity in pissed 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.560 poor leadership to be our mark of success, to be 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.560 how we measure success, to have somebody like a Kamala 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:24.959 Harris who has the chance to make history, but not 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.320 feel that we can push hard enough on her to say, hey, look, 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.600 it's not just enough to be black. Say something about 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.520 that genocide over there, right like, we cannot afford to 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.960 be content with diversity at the helm of a vehicle 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:37.440 that doesn't drive us to where we're going. 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.240 I know, I said a whole lot and nothing. I'm sorry. 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:41.920 I just had to get that in there while y'all 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:43.719 got me, because I wanted to cover as much as 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:44.160 I heard. 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:48.919 But man, yes, power, and then I just Marley, I 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.040 know your hand went up. I know we lose you 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.040 in ten minutes so I want to go to you, 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.120 and then I do want y'all to answer my question, 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:57.240 and we got to get more people involved overall. Yes, 0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.200 Marly Well, I think that. 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.439 Kind of exact. I think that the exact kind of 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.840 way that of the question towards me at least was 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.520 framed about being like tif you spoke of. You said 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:09.359 that you wanted to ask about reality, and I just 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.679 shared with you the reality of what young people in 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.280 my community are doing. And I think that exact sense 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.879 that it's denied or seen as not enough because it 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:18.919 is not on your feed or does not have a 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.920 spotlight on your algorithm. It is designed to be that 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.719 way that there are the organizations that we speak on 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.600 do exist, and that I think it requires a true 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:31.200 genuine effort to accept people that present their ideas both 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.720 the same way that Tie does with a beautiful you 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.560 know kind of like there's a there's a you have 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:38.199 a real power, Tie, like you have that voice, the 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.639 voice of change that speaks across generations, and people like 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.399 me who have crazy funky posters on their wall and 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.800 love to read books. That there are two kinds. There 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.560 will be many different kinds of people that speak out 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.920 about these missions. But once again, like and I think 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.119 when we watch this, you can see in real time 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.760 how asking me about a reality that I'm telling you 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.840 as a reality is the exact conversation that in the 0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.879 school board meetings, in the council meetings make young people 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.000 like myself not want to engage in those conversations. I 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.240 cannot done it for ten years, but I think it's 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.720 really important to see that in real time. We just 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.040 watch what happens when I'm when young people speak on 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.520 their realities and they are denied it because the algorithms 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:18.640 don't show the work they're doing. 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.320 Well, let me let me follow up on because I 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:23.200 appreciate your pot I think that's such a good perspective, 0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.680 particularly or when it comes to the algorithm, because these, 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.680 you know, the wealthiest men in the world are poon speeding, 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.120 are spoon feeding us phone slops, so we don't pay 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.159 attention to what's going on, as Adam Serwerz term, by 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.679 the way, phone slop. So I appreciate that point, but 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:38.680 I don't just mean on my algorithm, so I want 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.439 to be more clear. It's also the young people I 0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.119 talk to the kids of my friend's kids are in 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:48.000 their early twenties now from different socioeconomic backgrounds. It's the 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:51.360 kids in my family. And it's not that they're apathetic. 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.440 I mean they are frustrated. They have their frustrations too, 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:58.359 But I guess I'm saying your reality is also not 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:03.359 everyone's reality. When the young people who sit down and 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:04.840 reach out to me and talk to me like these 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.239 are the people who are trying to do something I have, 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.680 like young makeup artists who are doing my makeup, who 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:11.640 are gen zers, who talk to me about what they're 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:12.840 going through. So I didn't want to give you the 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.560 impression that it's just an algorithm, but I do think 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.280 that your reality does not cast the net over all 0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.600 young folks, particularly when we see just the numbers don't lie. 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.720 And again it's not in puning a generation. I celebrate 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:30.000 and commend you, but I do think when you just 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.520 take a step back and look at it, I don't 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.520 know that it's an overwhelming amount of activism among gen zers. 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.640 But to be fair, I think time made this point, 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.160 or one of you all made this point that in 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.040 any generation you know, Andrew, I still haven't been able 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.360 to find where you got this data from, but you 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.920 made a really good point around the Montgomery bus boycott, 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.760 and you said only ten percent of people I believe 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:55.760 participated in the bus boycott. 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:57.240 So I take your point. 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.920 That you know, like every generation, there's been a small 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.480 group of people. I guess for me, I'm just a 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:06.000 little nervous about what's happening in the country now. I'm exhausted, 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.840 and I when when we're at tables and convening, I 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:15.000 don't hear a lot. I see a you at some 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.239 of these tables. I don't see hundreds of yous at 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:18.760 these tables. 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:19.960 But it could be me. 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:24.760 Okay, everybody, this is an intense episode. It's giving teens 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:25.640 summit back in the day. 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.280 We'll be back after this prison. 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:45.320 Victoria was gonna yeah, sorry, Victoria was. 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:46.200 Trying to weigh in two powers. 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:50.080 Ah No, I will say, you know, I definitely think 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.280 that these that there are young people who aren't having 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.520 the conversation, even if they don't know how to necessarily 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.360 have the conversation the right way or the way that 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.920 we expect them to. But I also think that young 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.240 people don't know what to do with the conversation once 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.320 they have it. I think there's an argument to be 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.720 made that we have to make politics and advocacy and 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.680 social justice work accessible. So many young people stick to 0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:11.320 what they know because they feel like there is no 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.920 accessible entry points of social justice outside of showing up 0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:15.959 to a march or a rally. And yes, we can 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:17.840 chat GPT things and look up how to change the 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.680 law and how to start a movement, but AI isn't personal. 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.960 It doesn't take you by the hand and show you 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:24.480 the ropes you know. It doesn't show you how to 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.480 create community in a meaningful, a lasting, and impactful way. 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.720 It might tell you the issues, but it won't show 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.800 you the experiences. It won't show you the joy, the pain, 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.280 the trauma behind why we fight the way we do. 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.680 And that only comes from community. That only comes from mentorship. 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.320 It comes from the principles of each one and teach one. 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.160 I'm grateful to have literally grown up in this movement 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.200 under the leadership of people like Reverend Sharkton, Hazel Dukes, 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.440 Tamika Mallory, you, Angela. That was a privilege in and 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.600 of itself. But not all young people have that, and 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.120 so of these some of the young people that are 0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:57.400 entering this field are literally entering with nothing but emotions 0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.840 from lived experiences, emotion and conversation, and it's on us 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.240 to make sure that we're creating spaces for them to 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.280 harness that emotion into change. There are young people who 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.720 want to get involved but feel like they have no reach, 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:11.440 no power, no entry way, and it's our job as activists. 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.760 It's also the job of older generations to call us 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:16.040 in instead of calling us out. I agree that there's 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.160 a disconnect between the season generation and my generation, but 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.520 I don't necessarily think it's accurate to say that it's. 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:21.960 All on us. 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:25.880 The art of mentorship and guidance is completely lost. Like 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:27.880 how do you call yourself a mentor and say that 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.080 you're passing the baton, but the first time your mentee 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:32.440 makes some mistakes you dip out on them, or because 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.520 you disagree on our versions of liberation, we're not worthy 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.280 of teaching anymore. The baton can only be passed if 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.320 one person lets go of the end. And so we're 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.040 constantly being told that we have to abide by the hierarchy, 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:44.760 that we have to wait our turn, that we have 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:48.600 to you know whether when we try, we're literally dismissed 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.800 or gaslighted. So which one is it? Do you want 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:52.520 us to stand up or do you want us to 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.280 stand behind you. You can't just teach our history to 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.840 those who already know it. Sometimes you have to pick 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.160 the young person who you might not usually pick out 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:01.800 of the crowd. You have to pick the young person 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.200 that needs it the most, that might not show up 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:05.960 to the events, that might not show up to the rally, 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.120 the protest. You pick the young person who needs the 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.320 help the most. And while we're also at it, we 0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.400 kind of have to acknowledge that we play right into 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.680 the hands of respectability politics, Like why do I have 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:16.560 to have look at my nails, y'all? Why do I 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:21.040 have to have short nails and no lashes because to 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.760 you know, to fight for my people? Like who's respecting 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.400 my trying to earn I can't tell you how many 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:28.440 times I've heard, even from my own mom, shot out, Mom, 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.240 I love you, But I can't tell you how many 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.120 times I've heard or your lashes are too long, or 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.120 your shorts are too shorter, you have tattoos, and they're 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.520 gonna look at you differently, like my own people are 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.360 looking at me different. Please tell me how that's any 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.280 different than poulp colored folks looking at from what they do, 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.320 and that in and of itself is white supremacy. But 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.080 a lot of the older generation is not trying to 0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.000 have that conversation because they grew up in the era 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:51.360 where Sunday Best is every single day, which I absolutely respect. 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.480 But why can't you respect my choice to not play 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.200 into the hands of white supremacy? And why can't you 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.440 acknowledge that I can still fight the same fight with 0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.840 my long hair, my long lashes, and my sharp nails. 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.880 I love this can well, you guys are always welcome 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.720 here to have this conversation. Ty you were gonna say something. 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.960 Yeah, good, And I'm glad that Victoria went first because 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:10.640 she says so much that I don't got to be 0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:13.360 repetitive in that way. I think that, you know, just 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.560 one thing that I want to say is that mentorship 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.280 pieces is key. You know, we stand on the shoulders 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.120 of giants, But what good is it if those giants 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.160 don't converse with us and in part wisdom while they're 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:25.080 here and still standing tall. You know, all too often 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.200 there has been too much friction, And like I said, 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.560 it's not that we're unwilling to learn. I think that 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.640 a lot of the times the older generation is unwilling 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:33.560 to value. 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:34.840 Us, like I said, as co collaborators. 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.040 They think that somehow that age throws them into a 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:42.400 hierarchy like and I mean, I have done so much 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:46.640 in my life, Victoria Marley as well. These experiences are valued. 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.040 They're different, but they're valued. There was a point that 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.720 Tiffany made about the fact that in our generation, she's 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.640 not seeing a whole bunch of folks. I would be 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:56.680 lying to you to say everybody is out here trying 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.280 to be the next MLK or you know, the next 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.520 that's not everybody, but it was never everybody. And I 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.480 think that's the point that I was trying to make earlier, 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.480 is that it only takes a dedicated few to get 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.879 that movement started, to organize the information, to figure out 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:12.240 how to reach people where they are, to get it started. 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.799 We never had a million in one thought leaders. Just 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:17.959 the few that we had out there were intentional about 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.319 how they were spreading their practice, and so I think 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:21.279 that's how we get it done. 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:22.560 It doesn't take every. 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:26.440 Single person being able to do what Victoria does or 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:28.680 what Marley does, or what I do, but it takes 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.000 us being able to reach those people in a language 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:34.200 that lets them know, Hey, maybe your front lines isn't protesting, 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.840 but if you're a teacher, go dismantle white supremacy in 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:37.440 the classroom. 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:39.600 Maybe your front lines is not going to. 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:41.880 Be direct action, but if you're in a hospital and 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.160 you can make sure that a positive health outcome happens 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.279 for a black woman because you listen, let that be 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.799 your fight against white supremacy. Because you see, there are 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.239 different ways to fight this fight, and it's going to 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.640 take all of the approaches. No one way will save us. 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.279 It's not going to be a bunch of talking heads 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:57.880 on these podcasts. It's not going to be the folks 0:34:57.880 --> 0:34:59.839 that get arrested. It's not going to be the folks 0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:01.879 that or pushing policy. It is going to be all 0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.080 of us in concert. And even then we're still gonna 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:05.080 be working to get to where. 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:05.480 We want to get. 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.000 So I think that it's important to understand that, like 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:12.279 we are working on a thing that will consistently be 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.319 worked on. The best way that we can work on it, though, 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:16.800 is having conversation. And the last thing I want to 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.560 say about that in Bridging Gaps, sort of re revisiting 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.879 that first point is these legacy organizations got to open up. 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:25.640 They gotta open up. 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:30.680 They and they gotta really reimagine what it can look 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.600 like to be a community leader. Maybe it isn't suited 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:37.319 and buddhed in Sunday's best. Times have changed. I mean, look, 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.440 I love the NAACP, right but that's the National Association 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.319 for the Advancement of Color People. Are we around here 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:43.520 calling folks colored anymore? 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:44.799 So? Right there? 0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:46.759 Even in the name, and unless you know, there's something 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:48.759 that's a bit answer created in how you're programming. And 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.239 that's not to say NAACP does do great things. I 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.920 just collaborated with the Legal Defense Fund on some project 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.439 a while back, so I know that they're doing awesome work. 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:58.920 I know Nan is doing awesome work. What I'm saying 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.759 is the thing things that got us here will not 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.120 be the things that get us there. And it is 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:08.520 important to take away the beautiful things that were successful 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:10.640 and worked, but understand that we're going to have to 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:12.960 put in motion some new things for a new generation. 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:15.879 I want to just go to sorry toy. I want 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.520 to go to Marley real quick. You or you had 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.759 a heart out at at thirty and we're at thirty once. 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:22.560 I want to give you a chance to offer any 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:23.880 party or exifty stop to go. 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:24.879 Yeah. 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.000 I mean, I think that I believe that the kid 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.360 to a better future will be intergenerational exchange. And I 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.319 think in my time as an activist, I've felt the 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.520 most heard and supported by It takes gen x women, 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.879 it takes millennial women, it takes people of all backgrounds, 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.319 and I think once again, we need to make sure 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.480 that we're having this bottom up approach within our own 0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:48.719 Black community. That for folks who are like queer, like myself, 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:52.720 I think especially like organizations, older organizations that were founded 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.040 on these principles that are kind of highly tied to 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.640 errors which were more homophobic, can make us feel like 0:36:57.680 --> 0:36:59.759 we don't have a space there, but are attached to 0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:01.560 certain religious beliefs makes U feel like we don't have 0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.080 a space there, and really making sure that we're doing 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.439 the work we can to. If we notice apathy, see 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.680 that as an opportunity rather to see it as something 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.759 to fear. That when there are young people that are 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:13.759 in your life that aren't demonstrating the things that you 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:15.600 want them to do, that you don't feel are on 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.319 the right path, there is an art of mentorship. There 0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.920 is an ability to give resources. There is capital to 0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:24.839 be spent between people using the Bank of justice and 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.480 not just towards systems or towards a goal that we 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.560 can share our resources amongst each other, and that it 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.880 requires losing so much of the judgment we have against 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.480 people who are different than us, people who approach activism 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.240 different than us, and people who will not sound, speak, 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.239 act or think like Martin Luther King or Malcolm X. 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.880 And you will not see those leaders again. And we 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:46.640 need to recognize that there will be a new era 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:51.719 that will require turning this apathy, noticing this apathy and 0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.919 transforming it rather than using it in such an accusatory 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.600 in a way to accuse a generation of doing something 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.880 that I fully believe they do. That hope is the 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.399 hope has always been the way, and I think so 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.680 it's really important to just reframe and say, like, why 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:08.920 are we so hope? Why do we not believe in 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:10.879 young black youth? And is it not to be young, 0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.440 gifted and black? Like even if you see and notice 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.280 these things, do you not believe there is a goodness 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.600 inside them that can be unlocked? And do you not 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.520 are you not willing to do the work to unlock 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.080 that for your future, for their children's future, for your 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.080 children's future, you want to come and accuse them and 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.800 make them feel small. That will always be the biggest 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:29.680 challenge to me, and I think it's the most important 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.000 part of the daily ways that we treat each other 0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.440 with care as a community, and that we shall respect 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.520 to all the ideas and all the experience, even if 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.120 it comes in the package of someone that does not 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:40.000 look like us. 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:46.239 Well, y'all all brilliant, And to part two of the conversation, 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.320 I didn't want to. I just wanted to quickly weigh 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.120 in here and say because I wasn't part of last 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.520 week's episode, so I haven't really opined it all here. 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.760 I just want to say I respect every every word 0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.880 that you all uttered. It was. It was delivered with 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.640 such great, deep in our felt meaning. And on the 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.839 latter points here I would simply remind us and I'm 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.400 almost embarrassed to be at the other end of the conversation, 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.240 we're Angela tivvying out of the old people at the table, 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.480 when it feels like just yesterday we were each striking 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.319 out in our own rebellious ways to start new organizations 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:22.279 and entities and reimagine what freedom look like for black folk. 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:26.160 And that brings me to the point of this road 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:32.120 of respect and mutuality flows many different directions. And so 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:37.680 just as it is wholly inappropriate for entrenched members of 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.759 our community to make an organizing space uncomfortable for you 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:45.480 in any way, shape or form, it is likewise also 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:50.200 a real stick in the chest for many of our 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:53.359 leaders in the community and our singers, who are told 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:58.000 that their tactics are antiquated and don't work, and are 0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:02.880 in some ways held responsible for the retrading of fights 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.920 that we're continuing to have to have today. And I 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.520 don't think that it represents everybody. And by the way, 0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:11.440 not a movement we can think of included the majority 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:16.600 of people, let alone everybody and making them move to 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.040 know it today everybody we know march in the civil 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:23.960 rights movement. Not true, But the reflective history causes us 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.960 a thing differently. I just say we could go so 0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:30.960 much further when we suspend with ego judgment and enhance 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.560 the ability to be curious about what you don't know 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.840 or what might be different, curiosity leading rather than judgment. Man, 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.759 I mean, we'd be unstoppable and I'm just glad to 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:45.359 know that y'all are in this pipeline here and thank you, and. 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:49.359 I think, okay, great. 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.879 Yeah, So I'm glad you're Sam Marlin because you've had 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.960 a lot to say. I appreciate all all your points, 0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.160 all of you guys, and I think is healthy for 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:04.240 us to hear, you know, the healthy exchange of ideas 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:08.280 and ideology. Ty you talked about. You know, it doesn't 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.520 take you know everybody. I wonder this is really for 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:13.680 all of you all, but I'll start with Hi. I wonder, 0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:16.800 do you feel like you're reaching people? 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:19.200 Woo? 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:23.160 Okay, I listen, these young people are giving us the business, 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:24.799 but we got some business for the young people. So 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:26.800 I think we're gonna have to make this a two parter. 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.399 I hope you guys will tune in when the next 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.640 episode of Native Lamppod drops, where we get deeper with 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.080 the young folks on this podcast, because honey, they got 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:38.719 a lot to say. They certainly had a lot to 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.440 say to us, So please be sure to tune in 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:44.480 on the next episode. Also, while you're at it, don't 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.200 forget to subscribe. 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