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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is episode counted seventy five.
Speaker 1: I seventy five. I don't know. I'm thinking of, you know,
Speaker 1: driving the state of Florida. Anyway of Native Lamp Pod.
Speaker 1: That seventy fifth episode, and we're excited to continue to
Speaker 1: break down all things politics and culture. We're so happy
Speaker 1: to be back with you today. I'm joined, of course,
Speaker 1: by my fellow co hosts. We are Tiffany Crass, tiff
Speaker 1: Aziel Lai, and I'm Andrew Guillam. What's up here?
Speaker 3: Is the only one that will introduce you or me first,
Speaker 3: and never himself.
Speaker 4: It is fascinating. Appreciate you, I know, but you introduced
Speaker 4: us first.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna say first with y'all.
Speaker 4: I know you're a gentleman. I just want to say,
Speaker 4: servant of the most tired God. But praise we we
Speaker 4: miss you. Did did you go on the space shuttle
Speaker 4: with Gail?
Speaker 1: You know what you got?
Speaker 5: Jokes?
Speaker 1: Did you see how horrified Gil looked Gail?
Speaker 4: Look?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not happy about it. Even the comments that
Speaker 6: she made afterwards when she was talking about Jeff Bezos
Speaker 6: is doing wonderful things, it just feels like a real
Speaker 6: strong disconnect with community. It was we all rooting for
Speaker 6: Caitlyn Clark. Now is Jeff Bezos is doing wonderful things
Speaker 6: somewhere between Chicago and Santa Barbara Oprah and Gale's like,
Speaker 6: I love you.
Speaker 4: Sign up for this shade.
Speaker 3: I was just asking about the Space Shuttle, cheat, I
Speaker 3: just I just, oh, you.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I'm I'm very honest, and so the honest.
Speaker 3: Take for me, And she was just asking about Andrew
Speaker 3: being at NASA and the Space Shuttle.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 1: Oh lord, I think I'm going back to NASA next week.
Speaker 1: All right, So I've got all that I missed y'all
Speaker 1: so much last week out of my out of my system,
Speaker 1: and I want to know what are we talking about today,
Speaker 1: what's on the what's on our minds?
Speaker 3: Well, Tips likes to be in the comments, So it
Speaker 3: sounds like we got a little dragged in the comments.
Speaker 3: A lot of folks not watching the whole show for context,
Speaker 3: and some folks who did and still there are I
Speaker 3: think disagreeing and dissentive views on this, But we really
Speaker 3: want to talk about is this narrative I think of
Speaker 3: rest and recovery and whether you're working or not, are
Speaker 3: you doing both, especially when it comes to the young people.
Speaker 3: So I'd love to hear what y'all think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rest as resistance, as as I've been hearing former resistance. Yeah, okay, tip,
Speaker 1: But for what.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to say, we want to thank Roland
Speaker 6: Martin for he joined us in your stead and what
Speaker 6: happened in your absence Andrew is there was a conversation
Speaker 6: around young folks. Yes, and Angela has some strong thoughts
Speaker 6: as their Row, so I think that was the clipper
Speaker 6: about the place.
Speaker 1: Sorry, well yes, but let me just say this again, Row.
Speaker 1: I said it in a video I sent, but the
Speaker 1: show hadn't run yet. Thank you brother, as always for
Speaker 1: stepping in and holding all of us down. In this case,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you holding holding me down and you know,
Speaker 1: getting some conversation started. Row.
Speaker 4: Row check as only he does.
Speaker 1: As only you do. Let's check out what you started.
Speaker 7: Man, gen X, millennials and gen Z. This is the
Speaker 7: generations that are what I call post civil rights movement babies.
Speaker 7: Those three generations have been making withdraws from the Black
Speaker 7: Bank of Justice and have not made reciprocal deposits. We
Speaker 7: cannot continue to ask baby boomers, who are now in
Speaker 7: their seventies and eighties to keep doing work while we
Speaker 7: sit our asset brunch, while we hang out, or we
Speaker 7: take multiple vacations, or while we check out of the
Speaker 7: process and sit down on the couch. The reason Black
Speaker 7: voter turnout is down is not because we just so
Speaker 7: just checked out.
Speaker 8: It's because the black infrastructure going door to door free
Speaker 8: syncs vota mobilization. Those people are retired or they died,
Speaker 8: and we have to somehow wake the hell up and
Speaker 8: realize now is our time.
Speaker 7: You've been bitching about the baton. Now it's time for
Speaker 7: your ass to run the race.
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 9: Native Lampid? First of all, let me start by saying,
Speaker 9: I love y'all's down. Okay. My name is Avian. I'm
Speaker 9: a civil rights lawyer, and I am a millennial. I
Speaker 9: listened to last week's episode, and I have a lot
Speaker 9: of thoughts. I got a lot of feelings, okay, but
Speaker 9: one of those thing that I feel like it kind
Speaker 9: of lacked nuances. So I'm really excited that you all
Speaker 9: are open to having younger voices to engage in this conversation.
Speaker 9: I really think we should consider all of the factors
Speaker 9: that go into play as to why certain people are
Speaker 9: choosing to withdraw from movement spaces and choosing not to
Speaker 9: engage in the ways that we've seen before. I think
Speaker 9: that black people are right now are choosing rest as
Speaker 9: resistance and intentionally creating spaces of black joy. But I
Speaker 9: totally agree with the premise of what you all were saying.
Speaker 9: I just think we need to dig a little bit
Speaker 9: deeper and consider the why. Why are younger generations not
Speaker 9: showing up?
Speaker 7: How does community look.
Speaker 9: Different for us than it did in the civil rights movement?
Speaker 9: How have we been siloed and individualized in a way
Speaker 9: that is harming us and impacting our community.
Speaker 4: There's so many things.
Speaker 10: That I have to say, so many thoughts.
Speaker 9: Thank you again for considering opening up this space, and
Speaker 9: y'all continue to do the work that you're doing. I
Speaker 9: appreciate y'all, and y'all have a good one.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it, I love that, I
Speaker 1: love the ownership.
Speaker 6: So if you're wondering what we're talking about today, that
Speaker 6: is what we're talking about today young folks and what
Speaker 6: is going on with young people, particularly as it relates
Speaker 6: to our politics. So I just want to give the
Speaker 6: listeners and viewers a little bit of background. There are
Speaker 6: currently in the United States just sigh of seventy million
Speaker 6: gen Zers living in America. Gen Zers are born between
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve. They represent, you guys,
Speaker 6: about twenty five percent of the American population, which is
Speaker 6: a sizable portion. In this year, they will be turning
Speaker 6: between fourteen and twenty eight years old. This is the
Speaker 6: newest generation to gain influence across the world in the
Speaker 6: workforce now that they're old enough to vote.
Speaker 4: They are the.
Speaker 6: Last generation, the last generation in which the majority identifies
Speaker 6: as white. Fourteen percent of this generation identifies as black,
Speaker 6: which is pretty much on par with the national population,
Speaker 6: given that black folks represent fourteen percent of the US
Speaker 6: popular This last or in November twenty twenty two, they
Speaker 6: had both the lowest registration voting rate of all generations.
Speaker 6: So I'm excited to dig in and actually hear from
Speaker 6: folks from this generation.
Speaker 3: So we have some young folks to get it off
Speaker 3: their chests with us. They are doing amazing things. Victoria
Speaker 3: Panel is someone who I have known since her eighth grade.
Speaker 3: She was very, very active in the National Action Network.
Speaker 3: She asked me to speak at her eighth grade graduation.
Speaker 3: She is now one of our lead soldiers on State
Speaker 3: of the People's Power Tour and she is also an
Speaker 3: organizer with Untel Freedom and social impact advisor with we
Speaker 3: Inspire Justice.
Speaker 4: Welcome To's sister.
Speaker 3: We have ty Hobson Powell who's an international community advocate
Speaker 3: and he is joining us as well. He's a native
Speaker 3: Washingtonian and lifelong community advocate. Welcome Tie. And we also
Speaker 3: have Marlee Das. I know y'all know this young lady,
Speaker 3: very very powerful, doing incredible work. She's an activist and author,
Speaker 3: a producer and creator of one thousand Black Girls Black
Speaker 3: Girl Books. And I got to tell you, I remember
Speaker 3: when Marley was a small little child. I used to
Speaker 3: hate when people did it. So when we were growing up, y'all,
Speaker 3: I remember when you was this big, and Marley is
Speaker 3: still killing it. So these young foot soldiers are made
Speaker 3: for the work. So we welcome y'all, and thank you
Speaker 3: so much for joining.
Speaker 10: Welcome home, Thank you, thank you all.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding we're honored, we're under to haf y'all.
Speaker 1: So I understand now I missed last week's episode, so
Speaker 1: I get to play real ignorant on some things, so
Speaker 1: long as my opinion isn't being asked. I'm curious as
Speaker 1: you all listen to the episode, I assume you make
Speaker 1: a Maybe I shouldn't assume, but I hope you make
Speaker 1: a regular habit of listening from week to week, and
Speaker 1: you can sort of tell when dynamics are are excitable
Speaker 1: in the space and when you know, you know, we're
Speaker 1: just chilling a little bit. And it's seems like last
Speaker 1: week I listened to the show as well and had
Speaker 1: some thoughts. But I'm curious to know what prick, y'all,
Speaker 1: what what made you say a man? What made you say?
Speaker 5: Ouch?
Speaker 9: I mean?
Speaker 1: And don't all jump it once?
Speaker 3: I think Marley started, Marley you had the floor.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no worries. I think one thing that I really
Speaker 10: enjoyed the conversation. First of all, I think that it's
Speaker 10: very important to hear perspectives from all generations about what's
Speaker 10: happening and kind of the stagnation that we're all feeling
Speaker 10: when it comes to justice. That like we are experiencing
Speaker 10: the beginning of a fascist country, and we are not
Speaker 10: seeing people jump up in the streets or you know,
Speaker 10: walk out every day speaking on this in the way
Speaker 10: that we need to speak about it. I think the
Speaker 10: one thing that pricked me the most, that I feel
Speaker 10: like is kind of a related to that stagnation, is
Speaker 10: how how little a conversation around racial capitalism has had
Speaker 10: and how much of the difference between this is kind
Speaker 10: of the civil rights movement being understood as a civic
Speaker 10: and legal issue where we're looking for the passing of
Speaker 10: a civil Rights Act, we're looking for the end of
Speaker 10: an apartheid between black folks and white folks, but now recognizing,
Speaker 10: just as we said with gen Z, that we're moving
Speaker 10: into this multi racial, multi ethnic, incredibly diverse society where
Speaker 10: we have nine hundred billionaires in the United States, and
Speaker 10: that you know, the black bank of justice in many
Speaker 10: ways has just been completely upturned by racial capitalism. And
Speaker 10: I think it's an important conce part of the conversation.
Speaker 10: Why it was so eager to talk is because I
Speaker 10: agree with the points that are being made, and I
Speaker 10: think so much more of this is an issue around
Speaker 10: the breaking down of like our wealth gap is the
Speaker 10: same as it was in the nineteen sixties. Black folks
Speaker 10: still are meeting and wealth. Their median wealth becomes like
Speaker 10: ten percent. I'm pretty sure of white folks on average,
Speaker 10: and that hasn't moved since the sixties, And I think
Speaker 10: that plays a big role in this idea of our bank.
Speaker 10: Is like, if the bank is staying the same size
Speaker 10: for us, but the bank is growing at these exponential
Speaker 10: rates for tech billionaires and tech CEOs, that means our
Speaker 10: bank exists, but it's just so small now, and we
Speaker 10: didn't know that it would need to get that big.
Speaker 10: So I'm excited to talk about ways that we can
Speaker 10: make it bigger and hopefully make it more expansive.
Speaker 4: That uh, Victoria, what about you?
Speaker 11: Oh all right now?
Speaker 10: You know I love young folks.
Speaker 11: I have been in this movement for a long time,
Speaker 11: since I was twelve years old, and so I'm automatically
Speaker 11: going to defend young people. For me, it was the
Speaker 11: withdrawal statement. You know, I don't think that we're withdrawn
Speaker 11: from the movement. I think our deposits just look different.
Speaker 11: They show up differently. I think young people are organizing
Speaker 11: on a true grassroots level with mutual aid, showing up
Speaker 11: for each other, raising money for each other, cooking meals
Speaker 11: for each other, Like we often use our joy as
Speaker 11: our weapon, and our fight looks different, but we're still
Speaker 11: in the ring. And you also have to think too.
Speaker 11: This generation has lived through COVID. We've watched pillars in
Speaker 11: our community and our families quite literally die, and then
Speaker 11: we're not able to see them. Some young people didn't
Speaker 11: even get to enjoy their graduations. We've lived through Trayvon Martin,
Speaker 11: which for a lot of young people served as the
Speaker 11: catalyst to their advocacy. We've been a countless funerals of
Speaker 11: young black folks who are killed by police officers who
Speaker 11: are supposed to serve and protect us. I mean George Floyd,
Speaker 11: Eric Gardner, Mike Brown, Sameer Y, Sandra Blain. I mean,
Speaker 11: the list, unfortunately just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 11: I mean, we've lived through watching our friends get deported,
Speaker 11: like people are getting deported. We're watching colleges that we
Speaker 11: work so hard to get into study day in and
Speaker 11: day out, erasing our history and telling us that the
Speaker 11: efforts for DEI are just not important. Students are being
Speaker 11: arrested on campus or protesting. I mean with a stroke
Speaker 11: of a pen. We're watching students who work so hard
Speaker 11: to make it into a university be deported. We've lived
Speaker 11: through now too, Trump presidencies where we are watching this
Speaker 11: orange man literally strip everything that our ancestors have fought for.
Speaker 11: So should we be outraged, Hell yeah, But I can
Speaker 11: also understand why young people are exhausted and while we're drained,
Speaker 11: we have to create space for people who are watching
Speaker 11: everything that's happening and feel like all they can do
Speaker 11: is ensure their own survival because it's honestly, it's scary
Speaker 11: out there, and I think that that's where our compassion
Speaker 11: and our empathy come into play. It's a movement of love.
Speaker 11: There is no movement without love, and that has to
Speaker 11: include people who just want to exist.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 3: I know we just lost Tie, and I just want
Speaker 3: to know we are having some production challenges, but I'm
Speaker 3: sure we're going to have him back. I have one question,
Speaker 3: and I really Tiff and Andrew, I want to hear
Speaker 3: this from y'all too. When I went back, I don't
Speaker 3: know why I thought that the conversation was just on
Speaker 3: young people. When we heard Roland today, he said gen
Speaker 3: X millennials and gen Z are withdrawing more than their depositing.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to know if you all think that when
Speaker 3: we consider the masses, are people doing more withdraws or
Speaker 3: are they doing more deposits? And like why, like what
Speaker 3: do we really believe about all across generations, tiff to
Speaker 3: shout out your show, what do we think about that?
Speaker 3: Like that is that really a thing? Do we really
Speaker 3: think people are depositing more in the Bank of Black Justice?
Speaker 3: Knowing that that's not a check you can necessary of
Speaker 3: the cash, but it's about a movement?
Speaker 1: Do you really think that, Angela and asking that when
Speaker 1: we talk about just for the audience and ourselves, we're
Speaker 1: not talking about a little This is not a literal
Speaker 1: banks should be a literal base. There should be a
Speaker 1: literle bank. There ain't no doubt about it. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. But in this instance, we're trying to say,
Speaker 1: are people on the whole giving more to this universal
Speaker 1: movement based fight toward I hope freedom, or are folks
Speaker 1: sort of kind of laying on the laurels of what's
Speaker 1: come before and the fights that are being had and
Speaker 1: the fighters who are acting on their behalf? Is it
Speaker 1: more of one or the other, or do you reject
Speaker 1: the premise of the question. It's it's y'all's turn.
Speaker 10: Us as the young folks.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, weigh in that, Yeah on that, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it's a conversation.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I think that I do not think
Speaker 10: first of all, outright, I don't think that gen Z
Speaker 10: is laying on their laurels. I mean I can speak
Speaker 10: for my own personal experience of the work. I is
Speaker 10: that I started at ten years old collecting and donating
Speaker 10: books with black girls as the main character and have
Speaker 10: now collected fifteen thousand. So I feel like with my
Speaker 10: work on its own, can speak for a lot of
Speaker 10: the experiences for like young black educational justice. But I
Speaker 10: really think once again that like this question I rejected
Speaker 10: in a certain sense because there's also a question of
Speaker 10: like modernity and a question of America changing from nineteen
Speaker 10: fifty to nineteen sixty to twenty twenty four and twenty
Speaker 10: twenty five where I feel like like social media and
Speaker 10: smartphones have democratized activism, and when we think about the
Speaker 10: Black Lives Matter movement, even George Floyd's death, it was
Speaker 10: filmed because of a seventeen year old on their phone.
Speaker 10: So when we think about the actual beginning of what
Speaker 10: happened in twenty twenty, that was started by a young
Speaker 10: teenage Black girl who recorded and started that like started
Speaker 10: that movement up again in twenty twenty, obviously still founded
Speaker 10: by millennials and Gen X who put that deposit in
Speaker 10: the bank. So I feel like we can even see
Speaker 10: then how it's intergenerational and how that's a major deposit.
Speaker 10: I think one big thing to also shout out is
Speaker 10: climate justice. That younger generations and Gen Z have been
Speaker 10: so focused on climate emergencies since I mean, for me,
Speaker 10: like I could say since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, but
Speaker 10: because that is oftentimes an intersectional movement that talks about humanity, right,
Speaker 10: we're talking about the earth. A lot of the times
Speaker 10: older generations don't feel or understand the ways that it's
Speaker 10: directly impacting Black communities. And I think now there's so
Speaker 10: many more organizations like Black Girl and environmentalists or young
Speaker 10: black climate leaders who are doing that work. But you know,
Speaker 10: thirteen four percent of Black children have asthma, which is
Speaker 10: double the rate of white children. That we are seventy
Speaker 10: five percent more likely to live near industrial facilities, and
Speaker 10: these you know, and these exposures to environmental harm play
Speaker 10: the same amount of role in like this need to
Speaker 10: rest as the issues happening in politics, where like if
Speaker 10: we live in communities that are killing us, This is
Speaker 10: why people feel that rest is resistance. And I think
Speaker 10: those are kind of forces that combine themselves, as like
Speaker 10: over half of people living and have and had near
Speaker 10: hazardous waste, our people of color would make you want
Speaker 10: to lay down too. So I think it's an important
Speaker 10: thing that was that isn't always addressed in this conversation
Speaker 10: around why people feel the need to rest, is that
Speaker 10: so much of this environmental race, this environmental racism disparity,
Speaker 10: directly impacts black health, which directly creates like the stagnation
Speaker 10: that we're seeing.
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta just say, though, I'm gonna push
Speaker 3: y'all a little bit because I've known about you all,
Speaker 3: have known you for a long time. You all are,
Speaker 3: to me are the exception and not the norm. I
Speaker 3: think that when I consider Andrew, Andrew is an exception
Speaker 3: and not the norm. Tiff is an exception and not
Speaker 3: the norm. When we talk about this space, this isn't
Speaker 3: a place that people volunteer to get in with at
Speaker 3: massive numbers. They might go to a fight back protest
Speaker 3: or fight the Oligarchy rally with Bernie and AOC and
Speaker 3: even a lot of they don't look like us. You know,
Speaker 3: Black Lives Matter was started by three black women, so
Speaker 3: it was supported by the masses. But when we think
Speaker 3: about how we are contributing to movements rit large, are
Speaker 3: you y'all really going to tell me that more often
Speaker 3: than not, the black people in your families and your
Speaker 3: friend groups are overwhelmingly supporting these movements. Because that's not
Speaker 3: my testimony. That's not true. I was born by raised
Speaker 3: born and raised by an activists. Most of my family
Speaker 3: doesn't even they support it, but they're not engaged. So
Speaker 3: if y'all are telling.
Speaker 4: Me they're engaged, I just want to see the math.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen the math, just I can tell you.
Speaker 1: Not true for any generation, by the way, But I
Speaker 1: love what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I can tell you the math.
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 10: I've worked and grown up in Essex County, New Jersey,
Speaker 10: and I've worked with fifteen other girls who have done
Speaker 10: social justice projects around STEM based education, done social just
Speaker 10: like STEM based education wellness, mental health like all disability
Speaker 10: access like I have seen this happen in Essex County,
Speaker 10: New Jersey, where I am from, with the help of
Speaker 10: the Grassroots Community Foundation. That there are so many grassroots
Speaker 10: organizations that are leading and creating nonprofits to train young
Speaker 10: girls of color. There's Girls for Gender Equity in New
Speaker 10: York City. There's so many organizations that are doing this work.
Speaker 10: I think that a lot of this comes from this
Speaker 10: idea that folks aren't engaged is because of this. I
Speaker 10: think there's a lot of a focus on culture when
Speaker 10: we talk about representation in black folks and pushing things forward,
Speaker 10: and when we look in our culture right now, we
Speaker 10: see black like black leaders being arrested on sex crime,
Speaker 10: sexual assaulting. We see drama all over with former gen
Speaker 10: X and millennial black leaders. A lot of black men
Speaker 10: right now are being kind of policed in the public
Speaker 10: eye for their celebrity and at the same time as
Speaker 10: that that's what gets the highlight and not the story
Speaker 10: of the young fifteen year old girls that are creating
Speaker 10: mental health Day legislation, running a program like Greener Been
Speaker 10: Week in New Jersey. That a lot of the times
Speaker 10: when we think about where the lenses on black people
Speaker 10: and what they are doing. They're being policed, but there
Speaker 10: is no desire to cover a story of successful young
Speaker 10: black girls and the stories of the twenty other girls
Speaker 10: that have grown up doing the same work that I
Speaker 10: do have just not received the same amount of media coverage,
Speaker 10: have not received the same amount of funding. But I
Speaker 10: think that to suggest that there are less people that
Speaker 10: are engaged is it's an only issue of spotlight.
Speaker 4: It's not an.
Speaker 10: Issue of engagement.
Speaker 5: That's fair.
Speaker 6: Let me just give a little pushback on that, because
Speaker 6: what we looked at is the data of gen Z
Speaker 6: ers who are participating in the electoral process. So perhaps
Speaker 6: what you're saying is maybe you all don't view voting
Speaker 6: as the only definition of being active in your community.
Speaker 6: But the reality is that gen Z was the had
Speaker 6: lower rates of civic engagement than any other generation. That's
Speaker 6: true relatives, yes, but comparatively speaking to other generations. So
Speaker 6: let me just let's get through and ask my question.
Speaker 6: I'm curious. It's kind of like when you go to
Speaker 6: a school and you say, hey, we're having an after
Speaker 6: school program for anyone who wants to go to college.
Speaker 4: Come.
Speaker 6: I would often have to tell educators and people in
Speaker 6: the classroom. The people who show up to that program
Speaker 6: are not always the people who need the most help.
Speaker 6: They're the people who need the least help. Because they're
Speaker 6: showing up, they're participating. So the young people I talk
Speaker 6: to are not talking about climate justice. I applaud you
Speaker 6: for doing that. I think that's amazing, but we have
Speaker 6: to engage in the reality of this. The young people
Speaker 6: I'm following. My feed is not full of young people
Speaker 6: talking about climate justice. My feed is not full of
Speaker 6: young people talking about registering the vote, and the data
Speaker 6: doesn't support that itself. So it's not I'm certainly not
Speaker 6: here to impugne the younger generation at all. It's more
Speaker 6: of a case study. I want to listen and understand.
Speaker 6: So for the people who might not be like you,
Speaker 6: For the people who are saying I don't participate, those
Speaker 6: are people. Those are your peers and folks you talk to.
Speaker 6: You've laid out some of the challenges looking at the
Speaker 6: sixties to today, But what are things you're hearing from people,
Speaker 6: your friends, your peers, who are not organizing around climate justice,
Speaker 6: and who can't tell you who their member of Congress is,
Speaker 6: and who have never voted in their life and they
Speaker 6: don't feel any kind of way about it. And that's
Speaker 6: it either one of you ladies who are willing to answer.
Speaker 6: And I see we do have tie back tie. I
Speaker 6: know we have a lot of technical difficulties.
Speaker 4: So if you want to jump in.
Speaker 6: On this question while we have you, please feel free,
Speaker 6: sir h yeah, I just.
Speaker 5: Really quickly while you guys, can you hear me now?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so hear you go right.
Speaker 12: I wanted to jump in on something that I didn't
Speaker 12: get a chance to comment on, which is that I
Speaker 12: do think that it's important to hear what's true about
Speaker 12: the critiques about this generation so that we can improve.
Speaker 12: I think, you know, same as every generation. Some folks
Speaker 12: don't adequately deposit into the bank of justice. That was
Speaker 12: true back in my Auntie's day. That was true back
Speaker 12: in Grandma's day. It is true now. You know, you
Speaker 12: have folks who say trendy shit like we are not
Speaker 12: our ancestors, and it's not true in the flattering way
Speaker 12: they think, because we can't give up Target or Starbucks
Speaker 12: for our revolution, right, we aren't doing that. So I
Speaker 12: do believe that there is some validity to the idea
Speaker 12: that we are not doing all that we can. I mean,
Speaker 12: the underground railroad was created with less than the resources.
Speaker 12: Where's our support of infrastructure? Now with all of the
Speaker 12: infrastructure on social media and things that we have, we
Speaker 12: don't have it. So I think that some of those
Speaker 12: critiques are true about their generation and the fact that
Speaker 12: we don't show up in the way.
Speaker 5: That we could.
Speaker 12: But also think about the reasons why we aren't always
Speaker 12: valued as leaders. Think about how many times that there
Speaker 12: were voices under twenty five centered in those town halls
Speaker 12: and panels leading up to the election. The same ones
Speaker 12: who we tell are important for their vote didn't have
Speaker 12: any representation on those big stages to talk to them
Speaker 12: about why they should care or why they should have
Speaker 12: a task. How many young voices are substantivity brought to
Speaker 12: the table as collaborators. I mean I was in direct
Speaker 12: contact with the Office of Public Engagement and they decided
Speaker 12: that they would rather have K pop singers comes to
Speaker 12: the White House than have black organizers from around the country.
Speaker 12: We with the Domestic Policy Council, But.
Speaker 5: It's not just that.
Speaker 12: I was just a discernment in the past weekend with
Speaker 12: Jamal Bryant where he was talking about how this is
Speaker 12: the largest generation of black people making the exit from
Speaker 12: the church. And when you look at church and its
Speaker 12: ability to anchor movement, what are the reasons why church
Speaker 12: isn't speaking our language. It's a reason why young people
Speaker 12: want to go and sit bottomless mimosas then sit in
Speaker 12: the church and be told a language that no longer
Speaker 12: speaks to them. Right, and so it is something for
Speaker 12: the church to say, Okay, I am losing my folks.
Speaker 12: Let's make this adjustment. Because again, when we look at
Speaker 12: this iteration of Black Lives Matter, it represents one of
Speaker 12: the few movements social justice anchored that was not born
Speaker 12: in the church where people were not getting their mandate
Speaker 12: during Sunday sermon to be able to move around where there.
Speaker 12: So we don't see the organization in that same way. Obviously,
Speaker 12: there is some apathy as well, because we are stuck
Speaker 12: in this lesser of the two evils paradigm where we
Speaker 12: sitting there, we're looking at the inherently racist GOP and
Speaker 12: then the slightly to the left Democrats who don't dare
Speaker 12: do any damn bold thing. I mean, the thing is,
Speaker 12: I was having a question with Lolo yesterday and she
Speaker 12: asked me. She said, Hi, do you feel at aesthetic?
Speaker 12: I said, I'm the father of a three year old
Speaker 12: daughter who's going to grow up to be a black woman.
Speaker 12: I can't afford to be apathetic. But I'm pissed off,
Speaker 12: and I'm pissed off that I'm more pissed off than
Speaker 12: the Democrats who say they are all leaders are. I'm
Speaker 12: pissed off that we have somehow allowed diversity in pissed
Speaker 12: poor leadership to be our mark of success, to be
Speaker 12: how we measure success, to have somebody like a Kamala
Speaker 12: Harris who has the chance to make history, but not
Speaker 12: feel that we can push hard enough on her to say, hey, look,
Speaker 12: it's not just enough to be black. Say something about
Speaker 12: that genocide over there, right like, we cannot afford to
Speaker 12: be content with diversity at the helm of a vehicle
Speaker 12: that doesn't drive us to where we're going.
Speaker 5: I know, I said a whole lot and nothing. I'm sorry.
Speaker 12: I just had to get that in there while y'all
Speaker 12: got me, because I wanted to cover as much as
Speaker 12: I heard.
Speaker 3: But man, yes, power, and then I just Marley, I
Speaker 3: know your hand went up. I know we lose you
Speaker 3: in ten minutes so I want to go to you,
Speaker 3: and then I do want y'all to answer my question,
Speaker 3: and we got to get more people involved overall. Yes,
Speaker 3: Marly Well, I think that.
Speaker 10: Kind of exact. I think that the exact kind of
Speaker 10: way that of the question towards me at least was
Speaker 10: framed about being like tif you spoke of. You said
Speaker 10: that you wanted to ask about reality, and I just
Speaker 10: shared with you the reality of what young people in
Speaker 10: my community are doing. And I think that exact sense
Speaker 10: that it's denied or seen as not enough because it
Speaker 10: is not on your feed or does not have a
Speaker 10: spotlight on your algorithm. It is designed to be that
Speaker 10: way that there are the organizations that we speak on
Speaker 10: do exist, and that I think it requires a true
Speaker 10: genuine effort to accept people that present their ideas both
Speaker 10: the same way that Tie does with a beautiful you
Speaker 10: know kind of like there's a there's a you have
Speaker 10: a real power, Tie, like you have that voice, the
Speaker 10: voice of change that speaks across generations, and people like
Speaker 10: me who have crazy funky posters on their wall and
Speaker 10: love to read books. That there are two kinds. There
Speaker 10: will be many different kinds of people that speak out
Speaker 10: about these missions. But once again, like and I think
Speaker 10: when we watch this, you can see in real time
Speaker 10: how asking me about a reality that I'm telling you
Speaker 10: as a reality is the exact conversation that in the
Speaker 10: school board meetings, in the council meetings make young people
Speaker 10: like myself not want to engage in those conversations. I
Speaker 10: cannot done it for ten years, but I think it's
Speaker 10: really important to see that in real time. We just
Speaker 10: watch what happens when I'm when young people speak on
Speaker 10: their realities and they are denied it because the algorithms
Speaker 10: don't show the work they're doing.
Speaker 6: Well, let me let me follow up on because I
Speaker 6: appreciate your pot I think that's such a good perspective,
Speaker 6: particularly or when it comes to the algorithm, because these,
Speaker 6: you know, the wealthiest men in the world are poon speeding,
Speaker 6: are spoon feeding us phone slops, so we don't pay
Speaker 6: attention to what's going on, as Adam Serwerz term, by
Speaker 6: the way, phone slop. So I appreciate that point, but
Speaker 6: I don't just mean on my algorithm, so I want
Speaker 6: to be more clear. It's also the young people I
Speaker 6: talk to the kids of my friend's kids are in
Speaker 6: their early twenties now from different socioeconomic backgrounds. It's the
Speaker 6: kids in my family. And it's not that they're apathetic.
Speaker 6: I mean they are frustrated. They have their frustrations too,
Speaker 6: But I guess I'm saying your reality is also not
Speaker 6: everyone's reality. When the young people who sit down and
Speaker 6: reach out to me and talk to me like these
Speaker 6: are the people who are trying to do something I have,
Speaker 6: like young makeup artists who are doing my makeup, who
Speaker 6: are gen zers, who talk to me about what they're
Speaker 6: going through. So I didn't want to give you the
Speaker 6: impression that it's just an algorithm, but I do think
Speaker 6: that your reality does not cast the net over all
Speaker 6: young folks, particularly when we see just the numbers don't lie.
Speaker 6: And again it's not in puning a generation. I celebrate
Speaker 6: and commend you, but I do think when you just
Speaker 6: take a step back and look at it, I don't
Speaker 6: know that it's an overwhelming amount of activism among gen zers.
Speaker 6: But to be fair, I think time made this point,
Speaker 6: or one of you all made this point that in
Speaker 6: any generation you know, Andrew, I still haven't been able
Speaker 6: to find where you got this data from, but you
Speaker 6: made a really good point around the Montgomery bus boycott,
Speaker 6: and you said only ten percent of people I believe
Speaker 6: participated in the bus boycott.
Speaker 4: So I take your point.
Speaker 6: That you know, like every generation, there's been a small
Speaker 6: group of people. I guess for me, I'm just a
Speaker 6: little nervous about what's happening in the country now. I'm exhausted,
Speaker 6: and I when when we're at tables and convening, I
Speaker 6: don't hear a lot. I see a you at some
Speaker 6: of these tables. I don't see hundreds of yous at
Speaker 6: these tables.
Speaker 4: But it could be me.
Speaker 3: Okay, everybody, this is an intense episode. It's giving teens
Speaker 3: summit back in the day.
Speaker 4: We'll be back after this prison.
Speaker 3: Victoria was gonna yeah, sorry, Victoria was.
Speaker 4: Trying to weigh in two powers.
Speaker 11: Ah No, I will say, you know, I definitely think
Speaker 11: that these that there are young people who aren't having
Speaker 11: the conversation, even if they don't know how to necessarily
Speaker 11: have the conversation the right way or the way that
Speaker 11: we expect them to. But I also think that young
Speaker 11: people don't know what to do with the conversation once
Speaker 11: they have it. I think there's an argument to be
Speaker 11: made that we have to make politics and advocacy and
Speaker 11: social justice work accessible. So many young people stick to
Speaker 11: what they know because they feel like there is no
Speaker 11: accessible entry points of social justice outside of showing up
Speaker 11: to a march or a rally. And yes, we can
Speaker 11: chat GPT things and look up how to change the
Speaker 11: law and how to start a movement, but AI isn't personal.
Speaker 11: It doesn't take you by the hand and show you
Speaker 11: the ropes you know. It doesn't show you how to
Speaker 11: create community in a meaningful, a lasting, and impactful way.
Speaker 11: It might tell you the issues, but it won't show
Speaker 11: you the experiences. It won't show you the joy, the pain,
Speaker 11: the trauma behind why we fight the way we do.
Speaker 11: And that only comes from community. That only comes from mentorship.
Speaker 11: It comes from the principles of each one and teach one.
Speaker 11: I'm grateful to have literally grown up in this movement
Speaker 11: under the leadership of people like Reverend Sharkton, Hazel Dukes,
Speaker 11: Tamika Mallory, you, Angela. That was a privilege in and
Speaker 11: of itself. But not all young people have that, and
Speaker 11: so of these some of the young people that are
Speaker 11: entering this field are literally entering with nothing but emotions
Speaker 11: from lived experiences, emotion and conversation, and it's on us
Speaker 11: to make sure that we're creating spaces for them to
Speaker 11: harness that emotion into change. There are young people who
Speaker 11: want to get involved but feel like they have no reach,
Speaker 11: no power, no entry way, and it's our job as activists.
Speaker 11: It's also the job of older generations to call us
Speaker 11: in instead of calling us out. I agree that there's
Speaker 11: a disconnect between the season generation and my generation, but
Speaker 11: I don't necessarily think it's accurate to say that it's.
Speaker 10: All on us.
Speaker 11: The art of mentorship and guidance is completely lost. Like
Speaker 11: how do you call yourself a mentor and say that
Speaker 11: you're passing the baton, but the first time your mentee
Speaker 11: makes some mistakes you dip out on them, or because
Speaker 11: you disagree on our versions of liberation, we're not worthy
Speaker 11: of teaching anymore. The baton can only be passed if
Speaker 11: one person lets go of the end. And so we're
Speaker 11: constantly being told that we have to abide by the hierarchy,
Speaker 11: that we have to wait our turn, that we have
Speaker 11: to you know whether when we try, we're literally dismissed
Speaker 11: or gaslighted. So which one is it? Do you want
Speaker 11: us to stand up or do you want us to
Speaker 11: stand behind you. You can't just teach our history to
Speaker 11: those who already know it. Sometimes you have to pick
Speaker 11: the young person who you might not usually pick out
Speaker 11: of the crowd. You have to pick the young person
Speaker 11: that needs it the most, that might not show up
Speaker 11: to the events, that might not show up to the rally,
Speaker 11: the protest. You pick the young person who needs the
Speaker 11: help the most. And while we're also at it, we
Speaker 11: kind of have to acknowledge that we play right into
Speaker 11: the hands of respectability politics, Like why do I have
Speaker 11: to have look at my nails, y'all? Why do I
Speaker 11: have to have short nails and no lashes because to
Speaker 11: you know, to fight for my people? Like who's respecting
Speaker 11: my trying to earn I can't tell you how many
Speaker 11: times I've heard, even from my own mom, shot out, Mom,
Speaker 11: I love you, But I can't tell you how many
Speaker 11: times I've heard or your lashes are too long, or
Speaker 11: your shorts are too shorter, you have tattoos, and they're
Speaker 11: gonna look at you differently, like my own people are
Speaker 11: looking at me different. Please tell me how that's any
Speaker 11: different than poulp colored folks looking at from what they do,
Speaker 11: and that in and of itself is white supremacy. But
Speaker 11: a lot of the older generation is not trying to
Speaker 11: have that conversation because they grew up in the era
Speaker 11: where Sunday Best is every single day, which I absolutely respect.
Speaker 11: But why can't you respect my choice to not play
Speaker 11: into the hands of white supremacy? And why can't you
Speaker 11: acknowledge that I can still fight the same fight with
Speaker 11: my long hair, my long lashes, and my sharp nails.
Speaker 3: I love this can well, you guys are always welcome
Speaker 3: here to have this conversation. Ty you were gonna say something.
Speaker 12: Yeah, good, And I'm glad that Victoria went first because
Speaker 12: she says so much that I don't got to be
Speaker 12: repetitive in that way. I think that, you know, just
Speaker 12: one thing that I want to say is that mentorship
Speaker 12: pieces is key. You know, we stand on the shoulders
Speaker 12: of giants, But what good is it if those giants
Speaker 12: don't converse with us and in part wisdom while they're
Speaker 12: here and still standing tall. You know, all too often
Speaker 12: there has been too much friction, And like I said,
Speaker 12: it's not that we're unwilling to learn. I think that
Speaker 12: a lot of the times the older generation is unwilling
Speaker 12: to value.
Speaker 5: Us, like I said, as co collaborators.
Speaker 12: They think that somehow that age throws them into a
Speaker 12: hierarchy like and I mean, I have done so much
Speaker 12: in my life, Victoria Marley as well. These experiences are valued.
Speaker 12: They're different, but they're valued. There was a point that
Speaker 12: Tiffany made about the fact that in our generation, she's
Speaker 12: not seeing a whole bunch of folks. I would be
Speaker 12: lying to you to say everybody is out here trying
Speaker 12: to be the next MLK or you know, the next
Speaker 12: that's not everybody, but it was never everybody. And I
Speaker 12: think that's the point that I was trying to make earlier,
Speaker 12: is that it only takes a dedicated few to get
Speaker 12: that movement started, to organize the information, to figure out
Speaker 12: how to reach people where they are, to get it started.
Speaker 12: We never had a million in one thought leaders. Just
Speaker 12: the few that we had out there were intentional about
Speaker 12: how they were spreading their practice, and so I think
Speaker 12: that's how we get it done.
Speaker 5: It doesn't take every.
Speaker 12: Single person being able to do what Victoria does or
Speaker 12: what Marley does, or what I do, but it takes
Speaker 12: us being able to reach those people in a language
Speaker 12: that lets them know, Hey, maybe your front lines isn't protesting,
Speaker 12: but if you're a teacher, go dismantle white supremacy in
Speaker 12: the classroom.
Speaker 5: Maybe your front lines is not going to.
Speaker 12: Be direct action, but if you're in a hospital and
Speaker 12: you can make sure that a positive health outcome happens
Speaker 12: for a black woman because you listen, let that be
Speaker 12: your fight against white supremacy. Because you see, there are
Speaker 12: different ways to fight this fight, and it's going to
Speaker 12: take all of the approaches. No one way will save us.
Speaker 12: It's not going to be a bunch of talking heads
Speaker 12: on these podcasts. It's not going to be the folks
Speaker 12: that get arrested. It's not going to be the folks
Speaker 12: that or pushing policy. It is going to be all
Speaker 12: of us in concert. And even then we're still gonna
Speaker 12: be working to get to where.
Speaker 5: We want to get.
Speaker 12: So I think that it's important to understand that, like
Speaker 12: we are working on a thing that will consistently be
Speaker 12: worked on. The best way that we can work on it, though,
Speaker 12: is having conversation. And the last thing I want to
Speaker 12: say about that in Bridging Gaps, sort of re revisiting
Speaker 12: that first point is these legacy organizations got to open up.
Speaker 5: They gotta open up.
Speaker 12: They and they gotta really reimagine what it can look
Speaker 12: like to be a community leader. Maybe it isn't suited
Speaker 12: and buddhed in Sunday's best. Times have changed. I mean, look,
Speaker 12: I love the NAACP, right but that's the National Association
Speaker 12: for the Advancement of Color People. Are we around here
Speaker 12: calling folks colored anymore?
Speaker 5: So? Right there?
Speaker 12: Even in the name, and unless you know, there's something
Speaker 12: that's a bit answer created in how you're programming. And
Speaker 12: that's not to say NAACP does do great things. I
Speaker 12: just collaborated with the Legal Defense Fund on some project
Speaker 12: a while back, so I know that they're doing awesome work.
Speaker 12: I know Nan is doing awesome work. What I'm saying
Speaker 12: is the thing things that got us here will not
Speaker 12: be the things that get us there. And it is
Speaker 12: important to take away the beautiful things that were successful
Speaker 12: and worked, but understand that we're going to have to
Speaker 12: put in motion some new things for a new generation.
Speaker 3: I want to just go to sorry toy. I want
Speaker 3: to go to Marley real quick. You or you had
Speaker 3: a heart out at at thirty and we're at thirty once.
Speaker 3: I want to give you a chance to offer any
Speaker 3: party or exifty stop to go.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think that I believe that the kid
Speaker 10: to a better future will be intergenerational exchange. And I
Speaker 10: think in my time as an activist, I've felt the
Speaker 10: most heard and supported by It takes gen x women,
Speaker 10: it takes millennial women, it takes people of all backgrounds,
Speaker 10: and I think once again, we need to make sure
Speaker 10: that we're having this bottom up approach within our own
Speaker 10: Black community. That for folks who are like queer, like myself,
Speaker 10: I think especially like organizations, older organizations that were founded
Speaker 10: on these principles that are kind of highly tied to
Speaker 10: errors which were more homophobic, can make us feel like
Speaker 10: we don't have a space there, but are attached to
Speaker 10: certain religious beliefs makes U feel like we don't have
Speaker 10: a space there, and really making sure that we're doing
Speaker 10: the work we can to. If we notice apathy, see
Speaker 10: that as an opportunity rather to see it as something
Speaker 10: to fear. That when there are young people that are
Speaker 10: in your life that aren't demonstrating the things that you
Speaker 10: want them to do, that you don't feel are on
Speaker 10: the right path, there is an art of mentorship. There
Speaker 10: is an ability to give resources. There is capital to
Speaker 10: be spent between people using the Bank of justice and
Speaker 10: not just towards systems or towards a goal that we
Speaker 10: can share our resources amongst each other, and that it
Speaker 10: requires losing so much of the judgment we have against
Speaker 10: people who are different than us, people who approach activism
Speaker 10: different than us, and people who will not sound, speak,
Speaker 10: act or think like Martin Luther King or Malcolm X.
Speaker 10: And you will not see those leaders again. And we
Speaker 10: need to recognize that there will be a new era
Speaker 10: that will require turning this apathy, noticing this apathy and
Speaker 10: transforming it rather than using it in such an accusatory
Speaker 10: in a way to accuse a generation of doing something
Speaker 10: that I fully believe they do. That hope is the
Speaker 10: hope has always been the way, and I think so
Speaker 10: it's really important to just reframe and say, like, why
Speaker 10: are we so hope? Why do we not believe in
Speaker 10: young black youth? And is it not to be young,
Speaker 10: gifted and black? Like even if you see and notice
Speaker 10: these things, do you not believe there is a goodness
Speaker 10: inside them that can be unlocked? And do you not
Speaker 10: are you not willing to do the work to unlock
Speaker 10: that for your future, for their children's future, for your
Speaker 10: children's future, you want to come and accuse them and
Speaker 10: make them feel small. That will always be the biggest
Speaker 10: challenge to me, and I think it's the most important
Speaker 10: part of the daily ways that we treat each other
Speaker 10: with care as a community, and that we shall respect
Speaker 10: to all the ideas and all the experience, even if
Speaker 10: it comes in the package of someone that does not
Speaker 10: look like us.
Speaker 1: Well, y'all all brilliant, And to part two of the conversation,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I just wanted to quickly weigh
Speaker 1: in here and say because I wasn't part of last
Speaker 1: week's episode, so I haven't really opined it all here.
Speaker 1: I just want to say I respect every every word
Speaker 1: that you all uttered. It was. It was delivered with
Speaker 1: such great, deep in our felt meaning. And on the
Speaker 1: latter points here I would simply remind us and I'm
Speaker 1: almost embarrassed to be at the other end of the conversation,
Speaker 1: we're Angela tivvying out of the old people at the table,
Speaker 1: when it feels like just yesterday we were each striking
Speaker 1: out in our own rebellious ways to start new organizations
Speaker 1: and entities and reimagine what freedom look like for black folk.
Speaker 1: And that brings me to the point of this road
Speaker 1: of respect and mutuality flows many different directions. And so
Speaker 1: just as it is wholly inappropriate for entrenched members of
Speaker 1: our community to make an organizing space uncomfortable for you
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form, it is likewise also
Speaker 1: a real stick in the chest for many of our
Speaker 1: leaders in the community and our singers, who are told
Speaker 1: that their tactics are antiquated and don't work, and are
Speaker 1: in some ways held responsible for the retrading of fights
Speaker 1: that we're continuing to have to have today. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that it represents everybody. And by the way,
Speaker 1: not a movement we can think of included the majority
Speaker 1: of people, let alone everybody and making them move to
Speaker 1: know it today everybody we know march in the civil
Speaker 1: rights movement. Not true, But the reflective history causes us
Speaker 1: a thing differently. I just say we could go so
Speaker 1: much further when we suspend with ego judgment and enhance
Speaker 1: the ability to be curious about what you don't know
Speaker 1: or what might be different, curiosity leading rather than judgment. Man,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd be unstoppable and I'm just glad to
Speaker 1: know that y'all are in this pipeline here and thank you, and.
Speaker 3: I think, okay, great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm glad you're Sam Marlin because you've had
Speaker 6: a lot to say. I appreciate all all your points,
Speaker 6: all of you guys, and I think is healthy for
Speaker 6: us to hear, you know, the healthy exchange of ideas
Speaker 6: and ideology. Ty you talked about. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 6: take you know everybody. I wonder this is really for
Speaker 6: all of you all, but I'll start with Hi. I wonder,
Speaker 6: do you feel like you're reaching people?
Speaker 4: Woo?
Speaker 6: Okay, I listen, these young people are giving us the business,
Speaker 6: but we got some business for the young people. So
Speaker 6: I think we're gonna have to make this a two parter.
Speaker 6: I hope you guys will tune in when the next
Speaker 6: episode of Native Lamppod drops, where we get deeper with
Speaker 6: the young folks on this podcast, because honey, they got
Speaker 6: a lot to say. They certainly had a lot to
Speaker 6: say to us, So please be sure to tune in
Speaker 6: on the next episode. Also, while you're at it, don't
Speaker 6: forget to subscribe. Tell your friends, Tell your friends to
Speaker 6: tell their friends, tune in, Tell your young people, tell
Speaker 6: your children to tune in because this is a conversation
Speaker 6: that we need to be having across all generations. So
Speaker 6: we'll see you on the next episode on Native Lampod
Speaker 6: when we revisit this conversation for.
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