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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is episode counted seventy five.

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Speaker 1: I seventy five. I don't know. I'm thinking of, you know,

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Speaker 1: driving the state of Florida. Anyway of Native Lamp Pod.

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Speaker 1: That seventy fifth episode, and we're excited to continue to

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Speaker 1: break down all things politics and culture. We're so happy

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Speaker 1: to be back with you today. I'm joined, of course,

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Speaker 1: by my fellow co hosts. We are Tiffany Crass, tiff

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Speaker 1: Aziel Lai, and I'm Andrew Guillam. What's up here?

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Speaker 3: Is the only one that will introduce you or me first,

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Speaker 3: and never himself.

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Speaker 4: It is fascinating. Appreciate you, I know, but you introduced

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Speaker 4: us first.

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Speaker 1: I'm never gonna say first with y'all.

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Speaker 4: I know you're a gentleman. I just want to say,

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Speaker 4: servant of the most tired God. But praise we we

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Speaker 4: miss you. Did did you go on the space shuttle

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Speaker 4: with Gail?

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Speaker 1: You know what you got?

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Speaker 5: Jokes?

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Speaker 1: Did you see how horrified Gil looked Gail?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not happy about it. Even the comments that

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Speaker 6: she made afterwards when she was talking about Jeff Bezos

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Speaker 6: is doing wonderful things, it just feels like a real

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Speaker 6: strong disconnect with community. It was we all rooting for

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Speaker 6: Caitlyn Clark. Now is Jeff Bezos is doing wonderful things

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Speaker 6: somewhere between Chicago and Santa Barbara Oprah and Gale's like,

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Speaker 6: I love you.

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Speaker 4: Sign up for this shade.

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Speaker 3: I was just asking about the Space Shuttle, cheat, I

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Speaker 3: just I just, oh, you.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I'm I'm very honest, and so the honest.

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Speaker 3: Take for me, And she was just asking about Andrew

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Speaker 3: being at NASA and the Space Shuttle.

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 1: Oh lord, I think I'm going back to NASA next week.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I've got all that I missed y'all

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Speaker 1: so much last week out of my out of my system,

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Speaker 1: and I want to know what are we talking about today,

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Speaker 1: what's on the what's on our minds?

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Speaker 3: Well, Tips likes to be in the comments, So it

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Speaker 3: sounds like we got a little dragged in the comments.

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Speaker 3: A lot of folks not watching the whole show for context,

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Speaker 3: and some folks who did and still there are I

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Speaker 3: think disagreeing and dissentive views on this, But we really

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Speaker 3: want to talk about is this narrative I think of

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Speaker 3: rest and recovery and whether you're working or not, are

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Speaker 3: you doing both, especially when it comes to the young people.

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Speaker 3: So I'd love to hear what y'all think about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rest as resistance, as as I've been hearing former resistance. Yeah, okay, tip,

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Speaker 1: But for what.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to say, we want to thank Roland

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Speaker 6: Martin for he joined us in your stead and what

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Speaker 6: happened in your absence Andrew is there was a conversation

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Speaker 6: around young folks. Yes, and Angela has some strong thoughts

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Speaker 6: as their Row, so I think that was the clipper

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Speaker 1: Sorry, well yes, but let me just say this again, Row.

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Speaker 1: I said it in a video I sent, but the

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Speaker 1: show hadn't run yet. Thank you brother, as always for

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Speaker 1: stepping in and holding all of us down. In this case,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you holding holding me down and you know,

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Speaker 1: getting some conversation started. Row.

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Speaker 4: Row check as only he does.

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Speaker 1: As only you do. Let's check out what you started.

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Speaker 7: Man, gen X, millennials and gen Z. This is the

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Speaker 7: generations that are what I call post civil rights movement babies.

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Speaker 7: Those three generations have been making withdraws from the Black

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Speaker 7: Bank of Justice and have not made reciprocal deposits. We

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Speaker 7: cannot continue to ask baby boomers, who are now in

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Speaker 7: their seventies and eighties to keep doing work while we

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Speaker 7: sit our asset brunch, while we hang out, or we

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Speaker 7: take multiple vacations, or while we check out of the

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Speaker 7: process and sit down on the couch. The reason Black

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Speaker 7: voter turnout is down is not because we just so

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Speaker 8: It's because the black infrastructure going door to door free

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Speaker 8: syncs vota mobilization. Those people are retired or they died,

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Speaker 8: realize now is our time.

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Speaker 7: You've been bitching about the baton. Now it's time for

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Speaker 7: your ass to run the race.

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 9: Native Lampid? First of all, let me start by saying,

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Speaker 9: I love y'all's down. Okay. My name is Avian. I'm

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Speaker 9: a civil rights lawyer, and I am a millennial. I

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Speaker 9: listened to last week's episode, and I have a lot

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Speaker 9: of thoughts. I got a lot of feelings, okay, but

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Speaker 9: of lacked nuances. So I'm really excited that you all

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Speaker 9: are open to having younger voices to engage in this conversation.

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Speaker 9: I really think we should consider all of the factors

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Speaker 9: choosing to withdraw from movement spaces and choosing not to

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Speaker 9: engage in the ways that we've seen before. I think

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Speaker 9: that black people are right now are choosing rest as

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Speaker 9: totally agree with the premise of what you all were saying.

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Speaker 9: I just think we need to dig a little bit

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Speaker 9: deeper and consider the why. Why are younger generations not

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Speaker 7: How does community look.

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Speaker 9: Different for us than it did in the civil rights movement?

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Speaker 9: How have we been siloed and individualized in a way

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Speaker 9: that is harming us and impacting our community.

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Speaker 4: There's so many things.

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Speaker 10: That I have to say, so many thoughts.

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Speaker 9: Thank you again for considering opening up this space, and

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Speaker 9: y'all continue to do the work that you're doing. I

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Speaker 9: appreciate y'all, and y'all have a good one.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I love it, I love it, I love that, I

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Speaker 1: love the ownership.

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Speaker 6: So if you're wondering what we're talking about today, that

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Speaker 6: is what we're talking about today young folks and what

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Speaker 6: is going on with young people, particularly as it relates

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Speaker 6: listeners and viewers a little bit of background. There are

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Speaker 6: currently in the United States just sigh of seventy million

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Speaker 6: gen Zers living in America. Gen Zers are born between

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Speaker 6: nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve. They represent, you guys,

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Speaker 6: about twenty five percent of the American population, which is

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Speaker 4: They are the.

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Speaker 6: Last generation, the last generation in which the majority identifies

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Speaker 6: which is pretty much on par with the national population,

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Speaker 6: So I'm excited to dig in and actually hear from

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Speaker 3: So we have some young folks to get it off

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Speaker 3: their chests with us. They are doing amazing things. Victoria

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Speaker 3: Panel is someone who I have known since her eighth grade.

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Speaker 3: She was very, very active in the National Action Network.

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Speaker 3: She asked me to speak at her eighth grade graduation.

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Speaker 3: She is now one of our lead soldiers on State

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Speaker 3: of the People's Power Tour and she is also an

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Speaker 3: Inspire Justice.

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Speaker 4: Welcome To's sister.

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Speaker 3: We have ty Hobson Powell who's an international community advocate

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Speaker 3: and he is joining us as well. He's a native

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Speaker 3: Washingtonian and lifelong community advocate. Welcome Tie. And we also

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Speaker 3: have Marlee Das. I know y'all know this young lady,

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Speaker 3: very very powerful, doing incredible work. She's an activist and author,

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Speaker 3: a producer and creator of one thousand Black Girls Black

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Speaker 3: Girl Books. And I got to tell you, I remember

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Speaker 3: when Marley was a small little child. I used to

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Speaker 3: I remember when you was this big, and Marley is

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Speaker 3: still killing it. So these young foot soldiers are made

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Speaker 3: for the work. So we welcome y'all, and thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for joining.

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Speaker 10: Welcome home, Thank you, thank you all.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding we're honored, we're under to haf y'all.

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Speaker 1: So I understand now I missed last week's episode, so

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Speaker 1: I get to play real ignorant on some things, so

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Speaker 1: long as my opinion isn't being asked. I'm curious as

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Speaker 1: you all listen to the episode, I assume you make

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Speaker 1: a Maybe I shouldn't assume, but I hope you make

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Speaker 1: a regular habit of listening from week to week, and

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Speaker 1: you can sort of tell when dynamics are are excitable

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Speaker 1: in the space and when you know, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: just chilling a little bit. And it's seems like last

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Speaker 1: week I listened to the show as well and had

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Speaker 1: some thoughts. But I'm curious to know what prick, y'all,

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Speaker 1: what what made you say a man? What made you say?

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Speaker 5: Ouch?

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Speaker 9: I mean?

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Speaker 1: And don't all jump it once?

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Speaker 3: I think Marley started, Marley you had the floor.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no worries. I think one thing that I really

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Speaker 10: enjoyed the conversation. First of all, I think that it's

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Speaker 10: very important to hear perspectives from all generations about what's

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Speaker 10: happening and kind of the stagnation that we're all feeling

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Speaker 10: when it comes to justice. That like we are experiencing

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Speaker 10: the beginning of a fascist country, and we are not

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Speaker 10: seeing people jump up in the streets or you know,

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Speaker 10: one thing that pricked me the most, that I feel

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Speaker 10: like is kind of a related to that stagnation, is

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Speaker 10: how how little a conversation around racial capitalism has had

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Speaker 10: and legal issue where we're looking for the passing of

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Speaker 10: a civil Rights Act, we're looking for the end of

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Speaker 10: an apartheid between black folks and white folks, but now recognizing,

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Speaker 10: just as we said with gen Z, that we're moving

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Speaker 10: into this multi racial, multi ethnic, incredibly diverse society where

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Speaker 10: we have nine hundred billionaires in the United States, and

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Speaker 10: that you know, the black bank of justice in many

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Speaker 10: ways has just been completely upturned by racial capitalism. And

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Speaker 10: I think it's an important conce part of the conversation.

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Speaker 10: Why it was so eager to talk is because I

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Speaker 10: agree with the points that are being made, and I

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Speaker 10: think so much more of this is an issue around

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Speaker 10: the breaking down of like our wealth gap is the

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Speaker 10: same as it was in the nineteen sixties. Black folks

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Speaker 10: still are meeting and wealth. Their median wealth becomes like

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Speaker 10: ten percent. I'm pretty sure of white folks on average,

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Speaker 10: and that hasn't moved since the sixties, And I think

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Speaker 10: that plays a big role in this idea of our bank.

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Speaker 10: Is like, if the bank is staying the same size

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Speaker 10: for us, but the bank is growing at these exponential

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Speaker 10: rates for tech billionaires and tech CEOs, that means our

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Speaker 10: bank exists, but it's just so small now, and we

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Speaker 10: didn't know that it would need to get that big.

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Speaker 10: So I'm excited to talk about ways that we can

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Speaker 10: make it bigger and hopefully make it more expansive.

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Speaker 4: That uh, Victoria, what about you?

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Speaker 11: Oh all right now?

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Speaker 10: You know I love young folks.

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Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta just say, though, I'm gonna push

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Speaker 4: Me they're engaged, I just want to see the math.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen the math, just I can tell you.

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Speaker 10: I've worked and grown up in Essex County, New Jersey,

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Speaker 4: It's not an.

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Speaker 6: I'm curious. It's kind of like when you go to

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Speaker 4: Come.

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Speaker 6: I would often have to tell educators and people in

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Speaker 6: So for the people who might not be like you,

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Speaker 6: You've laid out some of the challenges looking at the

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Speaker 6: sixties to today, But what are things you're hearing from people,

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Speaker 6: your friends, your peers, who are not organizing around climate justice,

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Speaker 6: and who can't tell you who their member of Congress is,

444
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Speaker 6: and who have never voted in their life and they

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Speaker 6: don't feel any kind of way about it. And that's

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Speaker 6: it either one of you ladies who are willing to answer.

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Speaker 6: And I see we do have tie back tie. I

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Speaker 6: know we have a lot of technical difficulties.

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Speaker 4: So if you want to jump in.

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Speaker 6: On this question while we have you, please feel free,

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Speaker 6: sir h yeah, I just.

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Speaker 5: Really quickly while you guys, can you hear me now?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so hear you go right.

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Speaker 12: I wanted to jump in on something that I didn't

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Speaker 12: get a chance to comment on, which is that I

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Speaker 12: do think that it's important to hear what's true about

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Speaker 12: the critiques about this generation so that we can improve.

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Speaker 12: I think, you know, same as every generation. Some folks

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Speaker 12: don't adequately deposit into the bank of justice. That was

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Speaker 12: true back in my Auntie's day. That was true back

461
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Speaker 12: in Grandma's day. It is true now. You know, you

462
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Speaker 12: have folks who say trendy shit like we are not

463
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Speaker 12: our ancestors, and it's not true in the flattering way

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Speaker 12: they think, because we can't give up Target or Starbucks

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Speaker 12: for our revolution, right, we aren't doing that. So I

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Speaker 12: do believe that there is some validity to the idea

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Speaker 12: that we are not doing all that we can. I mean,

468
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Speaker 12: the underground railroad was created with less than the resources.

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Speaker 12: Where's our support of infrastructure? Now with all of the

470
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Speaker 12: infrastructure on social media and things that we have, we

471
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Speaker 12: don't have it. So I think that some of those

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Speaker 12: critiques are true about their generation and the fact that

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Speaker 12: we don't show up in the way.

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Speaker 5: That we could.

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Speaker 12: But also think about the reasons why we aren't always

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Speaker 12: valued as leaders. Think about how many times that there

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Speaker 12: were voices under twenty five centered in those town halls

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Speaker 12: and panels leading up to the election. The same ones

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Speaker 12: who we tell are important for their vote didn't have

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Speaker 12: any representation on those big stages to talk to them

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Speaker 12: about why they should care or why they should have

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Speaker 12: a task. How many young voices are substantivity brought to

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Speaker 12: the table as collaborators. I mean I was in direct

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Speaker 12: contact with the Office of Public Engagement and they decided

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Speaker 12: that they would rather have K pop singers comes to

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Speaker 12: the White House than have black organizers from around the country.

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Speaker 12: We with the Domestic Policy Council, But.

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Speaker 5: It's not just that.

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Speaker 12: I was just a discernment in the past weekend with

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Speaker 12: Jamal Bryant where he was talking about how this is

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Speaker 12: the largest generation of black people making the exit from

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Speaker 12: the church. And when you look at church and its

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Speaker 12: ability to anchor movement, what are the reasons why church

494
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Speaker 12: isn't speaking our language. It's a reason why young people

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Speaker 12: want to go and sit bottomless mimosas then sit in

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Speaker 12: the church and be told a language that no longer

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Speaker 12: speaks to them. Right, and so it is something for

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Speaker 12: the church to say, Okay, I am losing my folks.

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Speaker 12: Let's make this adjustment. Because again, when we look at

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Speaker 12: this iteration of Black Lives Matter, it represents one of

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Speaker 12: the few movements social justice anchored that was not born

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Speaker 12: in the church where people were not getting their mandate

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Speaker 12: during Sunday sermon to be able to move around where there.

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Speaker 12: So we don't see the organization in that same way. Obviously,

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Speaker 12: there is some apathy as well, because we are stuck

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Speaker 12: in this lesser of the two evils paradigm where we

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Speaker 12: sitting there, we're looking at the inherently racist GOP and

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Speaker 12: then the slightly to the left Democrats who don't dare

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Speaker 12: do any damn bold thing. I mean, the thing is,

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Speaker 12: I was having a question with Lolo yesterday and she

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Speaker 12: asked me. She said, Hi, do you feel at aesthetic?

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Speaker 12: I said, I'm the father of a three year old

513
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Speaker 12: daughter who's going to grow up to be a black woman.

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Speaker 12: I can't afford to be apathetic. But I'm pissed off,

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Speaker 12: and I'm pissed off that I'm more pissed off than

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Speaker 12: the Democrats who say they are all leaders are. I'm

517
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Speaker 12: pissed off that we have somehow allowed diversity in pissed

518
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Speaker 12: poor leadership to be our mark of success, to be

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Speaker 12: how we measure success, to have somebody like a Kamala

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Speaker 12: Harris who has the chance to make history, but not

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Speaker 12: feel that we can push hard enough on her to say, hey, look,

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Speaker 12: it's not just enough to be black. Say something about

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Speaker 12: that genocide over there, right like, we cannot afford to

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Speaker 12: be content with diversity at the helm of a vehicle

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Speaker 12: that doesn't drive us to where we're going.

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Speaker 5: I know, I said a whole lot and nothing. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 12: I just had to get that in there while y'all

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Speaker 12: got me, because I wanted to cover as much as

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Speaker 12: I heard.

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Speaker 3: But man, yes, power, and then I just Marley, I

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Speaker 3: know your hand went up. I know we lose you

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Speaker 3: in ten minutes so I want to go to you,

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Speaker 3: and then I do want y'all to answer my question,

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Speaker 3: and we got to get more people involved overall. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Marly Well, I think that.

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Speaker 10: Kind of exact. I think that the exact kind of

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Speaker 10: way that of the question towards me at least was

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Speaker 10: framed about being like tif you spoke of. You said

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Speaker 10: that you wanted to ask about reality, and I just

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Speaker 10: shared with you the reality of what young people in

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Speaker 10: my community are doing. And I think that exact sense

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Speaker 10: that it's denied or seen as not enough because it

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Speaker 10: is not on your feed or does not have a

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Speaker 10: spotlight on your algorithm. It is designed to be that

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Speaker 10: way that there are the organizations that we speak on

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Speaker 10: do exist, and that I think it requires a true

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Speaker 10: genuine effort to accept people that present their ideas both

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Speaker 10: the same way that Tie does with a beautiful you

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Speaker 10: know kind of like there's a there's a you have

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Speaker 10: a real power, Tie, like you have that voice, the

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Speaker 10: voice of change that speaks across generations, and people like

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Speaker 10: me who have crazy funky posters on their wall and

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Speaker 10: love to read books. That there are two kinds. There

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Speaker 10: will be many different kinds of people that speak out

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Speaker 10: about these missions. But once again, like and I think

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Speaker 10: when we watch this, you can see in real time

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Speaker 10: how asking me about a reality that I'm telling you

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Speaker 10: as a reality is the exact conversation that in the

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Speaker 10: school board meetings, in the council meetings make young people

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Speaker 10: like myself not want to engage in those conversations. I

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Speaker 10: cannot done it for ten years, but I think it's

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Speaker 10: really important to see that in real time. We just

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Speaker 10: watch what happens when I'm when young people speak on

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Speaker 10: their realities and they are denied it because the algorithms

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Speaker 10: don't show the work they're doing.

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Speaker 6: Well, let me let me follow up on because I

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Speaker 6: appreciate your pot I think that's such a good perspective,

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Speaker 6: particularly or when it comes to the algorithm, because these,

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Speaker 6: you know, the wealthiest men in the world are poon speeding,

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Speaker 6: are spoon feeding us phone slops, so we don't pay

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Speaker 6: attention to what's going on, as Adam Serwerz term, by

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Speaker 6: the way, phone slop. So I appreciate that point, but

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Speaker 6: I don't just mean on my algorithm, so I want

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Speaker 6: to be more clear. It's also the young people I

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Speaker 6: talk to the kids of my friend's kids are in

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Speaker 6: their early twenties now from different socioeconomic backgrounds. It's the

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Speaker 6: kids in my family. And it's not that they're apathetic.

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Speaker 6: I mean they are frustrated. They have their frustrations too,

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Speaker 6: But I guess I'm saying your reality is also not

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Speaker 6: everyone's reality. When the young people who sit down and

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Speaker 6: reach out to me and talk to me like these

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Speaker 6: are the people who are trying to do something I have,

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Speaker 6: like young makeup artists who are doing my makeup, who

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Speaker 6: are gen zers, who talk to me about what they're

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Speaker 6: going through. So I didn't want to give you the

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Speaker 6: impression that it's just an algorithm, but I do think

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Speaker 6: that your reality does not cast the net over all

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Speaker 6: young folks, particularly when we see just the numbers don't lie.

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Speaker 6: And again it's not in puning a generation. I celebrate

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Speaker 6: and commend you, but I do think when you just

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Speaker 6: take a step back and look at it, I don't

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Speaker 6: know that it's an overwhelming amount of activism among gen zers.

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Speaker 6: But to be fair, I think time made this point,

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Speaker 6: or one of you all made this point that in

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Speaker 6: any generation you know, Andrew, I still haven't been able

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Speaker 6: to find where you got this data from, but you

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Speaker 6: made a really good point around the Montgomery bus boycott,

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Speaker 6: and you said only ten percent of people I believe

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Speaker 6: participated in the bus boycott.

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Speaker 4: So I take your point.

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Speaker 6: That you know, like every generation, there's been a small

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Speaker 6: group of people. I guess for me, I'm just a

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Speaker 6: little nervous about what's happening in the country now. I'm exhausted,

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Speaker 6: and I when when we're at tables and convening, I

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Speaker 6: don't hear a lot. I see a you at some

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Speaker 6: of these tables. I don't see hundreds of yous at

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Speaker 6: these tables.

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Speaker 4: But it could be me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, everybody, this is an intense episode. It's giving teens

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Speaker 3: summit back in the day.

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Speaker 4: We'll be back after this prison.

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Speaker 3: Victoria was gonna yeah, sorry, Victoria was.

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Speaker 4: Trying to weigh in two powers.

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Speaker 11: Ah No, I will say, you know, I definitely think

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Speaker 11: that these that there are young people who aren't having

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Speaker 11: the conversation, even if they don't know how to necessarily

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Speaker 11: have the conversation the right way or the way that

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Speaker 11: we expect them to. But I also think that young

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Speaker 11: people don't know what to do with the conversation once

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Speaker 11: they have it. I think there's an argument to be

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Speaker 11: made that we have to make politics and advocacy and

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Speaker 11: social justice work accessible. So many young people stick to

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Speaker 11: what they know because they feel like there is no

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Speaker 11: accessible entry points of social justice outside of showing up

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Speaker 11: to a march or a rally. And yes, we can

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Speaker 11: chat GPT things and look up how to change the

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Speaker 11: law and how to start a movement, but AI isn't personal.

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Speaker 11: It doesn't take you by the hand and show you

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Speaker 11: the ropes you know. It doesn't show you how to

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Speaker 11: create community in a meaningful, a lasting, and impactful way.

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Speaker 11: It might tell you the issues, but it won't show

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Speaker 11: you the experiences. It won't show you the joy, the pain,

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Speaker 11: the trauma behind why we fight the way we do.

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Speaker 11: And that only comes from community. That only comes from mentorship.

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Speaker 11: It comes from the principles of each one and teach one.

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Speaker 11: I'm grateful to have literally grown up in this movement

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Speaker 11: under the leadership of people like Reverend Sharkton, Hazel Dukes,

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Speaker 11: Tamika Mallory, you, Angela. That was a privilege in and

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Speaker 11: of itself. But not all young people have that, and

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Speaker 11: so of these some of the young people that are

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Speaker 11: entering this field are literally entering with nothing but emotions

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Speaker 11: from lived experiences, emotion and conversation, and it's on us

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Speaker 11: to make sure that we're creating spaces for them to

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Speaker 11: harness that emotion into change. There are young people who

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Speaker 11: want to get involved but feel like they have no reach,

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Speaker 11: no power, no entry way, and it's our job as activists.

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Speaker 11: It's also the job of older generations to call us

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Speaker 11: in instead of calling us out. I agree that there's

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Speaker 11: a disconnect between the season generation and my generation, but

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Speaker 11: I don't necessarily think it's accurate to say that it's.

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Speaker 10: All on us.

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Speaker 11: The art of mentorship and guidance is completely lost. Like

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Speaker 11: how do you call yourself a mentor and say that

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Speaker 11: you're passing the baton, but the first time your mentee

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Speaker 11: makes some mistakes you dip out on them, or because

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Speaker 11: you disagree on our versions of liberation, we're not worthy

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Speaker 11: of teaching anymore. The baton can only be passed if

658
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 11: one person lets go of the end. And so we're

659
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 11: constantly being told that we have to abide by the hierarchy,

660
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 11: that we have to wait our turn, that we have

661
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 11: to you know whether when we try, we're literally dismissed

662
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 11: or gaslighted. So which one is it? Do you want

663
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 11: us to stand up or do you want us to

664
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 11: stand behind you. You can't just teach our history to

665
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 11: those who already know it. Sometimes you have to pick

666
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 11: the young person who you might not usually pick out

667
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 11: of the crowd. You have to pick the young person

668
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 11: that needs it the most, that might not show up

669
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 11: to the events, that might not show up to the rally,

670
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 11: the protest. You pick the young person who needs the

671
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 11: help the most. And while we're also at it, we

672
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 11: kind of have to acknowledge that we play right into

673
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 11: the hands of respectability politics, Like why do I have

674
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 11: to have look at my nails, y'all? Why do I

675
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 11: have to have short nails and no lashes because to

676
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 11: you know, to fight for my people? Like who's respecting

677
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 11: my trying to earn I can't tell you how many

678
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 11: times I've heard, even from my own mom, shot out, Mom,

679
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 11: I love you, But I can't tell you how many

680
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 11: times I've heard or your lashes are too long, or

681
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 11: your shorts are too shorter, you have tattoos, and they're

682
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 11: gonna look at you differently, like my own people are

683
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 11: looking at me different. Please tell me how that's any

684
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 11: different than poulp colored folks looking at from what they do,

685
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 11: and that in and of itself is white supremacy. But

686
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 11: a lot of the older generation is not trying to

687
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 11: have that conversation because they grew up in the era

688
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 11: where Sunday Best is every single day, which I absolutely respect.

689
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 11: But why can't you respect my choice to not play

690
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 11: into the hands of white supremacy? And why can't you

691
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 11: acknowledge that I can still fight the same fight with

692
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 11: my long hair, my long lashes, and my sharp nails.

693
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Speaker 3: I love this can well, you guys are always welcome

694
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: here to have this conversation. Ty you were gonna say something.

695
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, good, And I'm glad that Victoria went first because

696
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 12: she says so much that I don't got to be

697
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 12: repetitive in that way. I think that, you know, just

698
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 12: one thing that I want to say is that mentorship

699
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 12: pieces is key. You know, we stand on the shoulders

700
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 12: of giants, But what good is it if those giants

701
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 12: don't converse with us and in part wisdom while they're

702
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 12: here and still standing tall. You know, all too often

703
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 12: there has been too much friction, And like I said,

704
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 12: it's not that we're unwilling to learn. I think that

705
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 12: a lot of the times the older generation is unwilling

706
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 12: to value.

707
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 5: Us, like I said, as co collaborators.

708
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 12: They think that somehow that age throws them into a

709
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 12: hierarchy like and I mean, I have done so much

710
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 12: in my life, Victoria Marley as well. These experiences are valued.

711
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 12: They're different, but they're valued. There was a point that

712
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 12: Tiffany made about the fact that in our generation, she's

713
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 12: not seeing a whole bunch of folks. I would be

714
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 12: lying to you to say everybody is out here trying

715
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 12: to be the next MLK or you know, the next

716
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 12: that's not everybody, but it was never everybody. And I

717
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 12: think that's the point that I was trying to make earlier,

718
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 12: is that it only takes a dedicated few to get

719
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 12: that movement started, to organize the information, to figure out

720
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 12: how to reach people where they are, to get it started.

721
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 12: We never had a million in one thought leaders. Just

722
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 12: the few that we had out there were intentional about

723
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 12: how they were spreading their practice, and so I think

724
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 12: that's how we get it done.

725
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 5: It doesn't take every.

726
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 12: Single person being able to do what Victoria does or

727
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 12: what Marley does, or what I do, but it takes

728
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 12: us being able to reach those people in a language

729
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 12: that lets them know, Hey, maybe your front lines isn't protesting,

730
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 12: but if you're a teacher, go dismantle white supremacy in

731
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 12: the classroom.

732
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 5: Maybe your front lines is not going to.

733
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Speaker 12: Be direct action, but if you're in a hospital and

734
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 12: you can make sure that a positive health outcome happens

735
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 12: for a black woman because you listen, let that be

736
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 12: your fight against white supremacy. Because you see, there are

737
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 12: different ways to fight this fight, and it's going to

738
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 12: take all of the approaches. No one way will save us.

739
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 12: It's not going to be a bunch of talking heads

740
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 12: on these podcasts. It's not going to be the folks

741
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 12: that get arrested. It's not going to be the folks

742
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 12: that or pushing policy. It is going to be all

743
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 12: of us in concert. And even then we're still gonna

744
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 12: be working to get to where.

745
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 5: We want to get.

746
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 12: So I think that it's important to understand that, like

747
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 12: we are working on a thing that will consistently be

748
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 12: worked on. The best way that we can work on it, though,

749
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 12: is having conversation. And the last thing I want to

750
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 12: say about that in Bridging Gaps, sort of re revisiting

751
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 12: that first point is these legacy organizations got to open up.

752
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 5: They gotta open up.

753
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 12: They and they gotta really reimagine what it can look

754
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 12: like to be a community leader. Maybe it isn't suited

755
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 12: and buddhed in Sunday's best. Times have changed. I mean, look,

756
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 12: I love the NAACP, right but that's the National Association

757
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 12: for the Advancement of Color People. Are we around here

758
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 12: calling folks colored anymore?

759
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 5: So? Right there?

760
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 12: Even in the name, and unless you know, there's something

761
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 12: that's a bit answer created in how you're programming. And

762
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 12: that's not to say NAACP does do great things. I

763
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 12: just collaborated with the Legal Defense Fund on some project

764
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 12: a while back, so I know that they're doing awesome work.

765
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 12: I know Nan is doing awesome work. What I'm saying

766
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 12: is the thing things that got us here will not

767
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 12: be the things that get us there. And it is

768
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 12: important to take away the beautiful things that were successful

769
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 12: and worked, but understand that we're going to have to

770
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 12: put in motion some new things for a new generation.

771
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 3: I want to just go to sorry toy. I want

772
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: to go to Marley real quick. You or you had

773
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: a heart out at at thirty and we're at thirty once.

774
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: I want to give you a chance to offer any

775
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: party or exifty stop to go.

776
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think that I believe that the kid

778
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 10: to a better future will be intergenerational exchange. And I

779
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 10: think in my time as an activist, I've felt the

780
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 10: most heard and supported by It takes gen x women,

781
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 10: it takes millennial women, it takes people of all backgrounds,

782
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 10: and I think once again, we need to make sure

783
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 10: that we're having this bottom up approach within our own

784
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 10: Black community. That for folks who are like queer, like myself,

785
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 10: I think especially like organizations, older organizations that were founded

786
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 10: on these principles that are kind of highly tied to

787
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 10: errors which were more homophobic, can make us feel like

788
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 10: we don't have a space there, but are attached to

789
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 10: certain religious beliefs makes U feel like we don't have

790
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 10: a space there, and really making sure that we're doing

791
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 10: the work we can to. If we notice apathy, see

792
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 10: that as an opportunity rather to see it as something

793
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 10: to fear. That when there are young people that are

794
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 10: in your life that aren't demonstrating the things that you

795
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 10: want them to do, that you don't feel are on

796
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 10: the right path, there is an art of mentorship. There

797
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 10: is an ability to give resources. There is capital to

798
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 10: be spent between people using the Bank of justice and

799
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 10: not just towards systems or towards a goal that we

800
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 10: can share our resources amongst each other, and that it

801
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 10: requires losing so much of the judgment we have against

802
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 10: people who are different than us, people who approach activism

803
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 10: different than us, and people who will not sound, speak,

804
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 10: act or think like Martin Luther King or Malcolm X.

805
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 10: And you will not see those leaders again. And we

806
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 10: need to recognize that there will be a new era

807
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 10: that will require turning this apathy, noticing this apathy and

808
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 10: transforming it rather than using it in such an accusatory

809
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 10: in a way to accuse a generation of doing something

810
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 10: that I fully believe they do. That hope is the

811
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 10: hope has always been the way, and I think so

812
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 10: it's really important to just reframe and say, like, why

813
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 10: are we so hope? Why do we not believe in

814
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 10: young black youth? And is it not to be young,

815
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 10: gifted and black? Like even if you see and notice

816
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 10: these things, do you not believe there is a goodness

817
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 10: inside them that can be unlocked? And do you not

818
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 10: are you not willing to do the work to unlock

819
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 10: that for your future, for their children's future, for your

820
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 10: children's future, you want to come and accuse them and

821
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 10: make them feel small. That will always be the biggest

822
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 10: challenge to me, and I think it's the most important

823
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 10: part of the daily ways that we treat each other

824
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 10: with care as a community, and that we shall respect

825
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 10: to all the ideas and all the experience, even if

826
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 10: it comes in the package of someone that does not

827
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 10: look like us.

828
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Speaker 1: Well, y'all all brilliant, And to part two of the conversation,

829
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I just wanted to quickly weigh

830
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: in here and say because I wasn't part of last

831
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: week's episode, so I haven't really opined it all here.

832
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: I just want to say I respect every every word

833
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: that you all uttered. It was. It was delivered with

834
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: such great, deep in our felt meaning. And on the

835
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: latter points here I would simply remind us and I'm

836
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: almost embarrassed to be at the other end of the conversation,

837
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: we're Angela tivvying out of the old people at the table,

838
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: when it feels like just yesterday we were each striking

839
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: out in our own rebellious ways to start new organizations

840
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: and entities and reimagine what freedom look like for black folk.

841
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: And that brings me to the point of this road

842
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: of respect and mutuality flows many different directions. And so

843
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: just as it is wholly inappropriate for entrenched members of

844
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: our community to make an organizing space uncomfortable for you

845
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form, it is likewise also

846
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: a real stick in the chest for many of our

847
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: leaders in the community and our singers, who are told

848
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: that their tactics are antiquated and don't work, and are

849
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: in some ways held responsible for the retrading of fights

850
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: that we're continuing to have to have today. And I

851
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: don't think that it represents everybody. And by the way,

852
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: not a movement we can think of included the majority

853
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: of people, let alone everybody and making them move to

854
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: know it today everybody we know march in the civil

855
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: rights movement. Not true, But the reflective history causes us

856
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: a thing differently. I just say we could go so

857
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: much further when we suspend with ego judgment and enhance

858
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: the ability to be curious about what you don't know

859
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: or what might be different, curiosity leading rather than judgment. Man,

860
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd be unstoppable and I'm just glad to

861
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: know that y'all are in this pipeline here and thank you, and.

862
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: I think, okay, great.

863
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm glad you're Sam Marlin because you've had

864
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 6: a lot to say. I appreciate all all your points,

865
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 6: all of you guys, and I think is healthy for

866
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 6: us to hear, you know, the healthy exchange of ideas

867
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 6: and ideology. Ty you talked about. You know, it doesn't

868
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 6: take you know everybody. I wonder this is really for

869
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 6: all of you all, but I'll start with Hi. I wonder,

870
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 6: do you feel like you're reaching people?

871
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: Woo?

872
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 6: Okay, I listen, these young people are giving us the business,

873
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 6: but we got some business for the young people. So

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Speaker 6: I think we're gonna have to make this a two parter.

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Speaker 6: I hope you guys will tune in when the next

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Speaker 6: episode of Native Lamppod drops, where we get deeper with

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Speaker 6: the young folks on this podcast, because honey, they got

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Speaker 6: a lot to say. They certainly had a lot to

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Speaker 6: say to us, So please be sure to tune in

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Speaker 6: that we need to be having across all generations. So

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Speaker 6: we'll see you on the next episode on Native Lampod

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Speaker 6: when we revisit this conversation for.

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Speaker 5: The last morning see.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining the Natives attention of with the

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Speaker 2: info and all of the latest roy Gillem and cross

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Speaker 2: connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.

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Speaker 2: Thank you sincerely for the patients reason for your choices cleared.

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Speaker 1: So grateful it took the OAT to execute.

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Speaker 2: Rolls for serve, defend and protect the truth even in paint.

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Speaker 2: Go walking home to all of the Natives wait.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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