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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.

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Speaker 2: This is a Patriots unfiltered emergency podcast. I eat all

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Speaker 2: of you to stop what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: And all right, folks, it's official. We're here with an

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Speaker 3: emergency podcast. We got to bout a littlettle cold. We

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Speaker 3: got Tamara, Evan, Paul and Paul on the last time

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Speaker 3: we did an emergency podcast, I feel like maybe it

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Speaker 3: was like COVID, like it's been a long it's been

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Speaker 1: Like Cam Newton. I don't know. I thought the emergency

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Speaker 3: That's that's it was an emergency. But I'm all right here,

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Speaker 3: you guys are here, and of course we're here to

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Speaker 3: talk about Jro Mayo, who was announced just recently by

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Speaker 3: the Patriots officially as gonna be the fifteenth head coach

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Speaker 3: of the Patriots. So big news, and I guess the

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Speaker 3: biggest part of it is just that there was a

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Speaker 3: succession plan built in and you know it's I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously we're gonna get into all of that, and please

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Speaker 3: give us a call eight five five Pats five hundred,

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Speaker 3: shoot us an email, web radio at Patriots.

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Speaker 4: Dot com with your questions. But guys.

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Speaker 3: For me, it's just I think the interesting thing was

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Speaker 3: it sound like Bill Belichick was a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a lame duck this year. Maybe it wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 3: what are your thoughts? I guess I joke with you, Paul,

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Speaker 3: You've been here the longest you've seen and this is

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Speaker 2: Know your likes? Termmind you how old you are? Whenever

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Speaker 1: As I mean, I think that that seemed to be

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Speaker 1: where everything was headed. I'm not overly surprised that there

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Speaker 1: an official succession plan. And if you think back to

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Speaker 1: I think Robert Kraft actually used the term air apparent

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that this is the plan, maybe

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Speaker 1: a little bit sooner, as you said, Mike, than they

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Speaker 1: wanted to. But this is the direction that the Patriots

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I already published on Patriots dot com, so

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Speaker 2: you can read the actual quotes. But I think the

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Speaker 2: biggest thing for me is to stress that this is

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Speaker 2: not simply Bill two point zero. Like Girodmeyo is a

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Speaker 2: very very different type of coach than Bill. He was

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Speaker 2: described to me by multiple players as a player's coach

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Speaker 2: several times, like and not prompted or anything like that

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Speaker 2: by other people. This is somebody that obviously played following

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about it like the concerns are legitimate

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Speaker 2: the biggest question that Jirod's going to have to answer,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think, Tomara?

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Speaker 5: I personally love it. I think that it's going to

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Speaker 5: for me being from his hometown and just seeing my

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Speaker 5: Players excitement today of the news, just how excited they

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Speaker 1: If you're just.

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Speaker 3: Getting rid of Bill and you're bringing everybody else back,

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Speaker 3: Know, Like again, I come from a place of excitement

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Speaker 5: I personally do not feel like it's going to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also just think with the Bill thing, and

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Speaker 2: You know, this is a seventy one going on, a

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Speaker 2: you're Bill Belichick, you build the Patriots back up. Let's

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Speaker 2: say he hits and everything goes all sunshines and rainbows

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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people are gonna sit

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Speaker 2: This is not somebody that I grew up in Bill

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Speaker 3: is this like Bill overriding his scouting department? And you

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Speaker 3: know that was part of the Breer story yesterday where

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Speaker 3: we just we've talked about it in the show recently.

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Speaker 3: You don't know exactly how you divide it all up

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Speaker 3: of you know, was Elliot Wolf coming up with great

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Speaker 1: I do always love those thing and this is probably

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Speaker 1: better for our regular weekly shows on PU. But I

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Speaker 1: do love those stories about you know, the sources that

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Speaker 1: but this is the guy that Bill died. You know,

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Speaker 1: always after the fact, it's never about the you know,

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Speaker 1: Patriots took him instead. I never got to pick him.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's always oh yeah, you know, Deebo, Samuel

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Speaker 1: I just find it interesting they were too loosey goosey

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Speaker 1: We got to buy Evans tight pants make him the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ideally that's what you get. You'd get him taking

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Speaker 3: So well, let's jump over to the phones. Thank you

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Speaker 4: We'll go first, Dillan down in Orlando.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Dylan, Hey, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 5: Guys, Thank you, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 7: Two questions, and I'll preface by saying I think I'm

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Speaker 7: And then I'm also curious to know if you think that,

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Speaker 3: Iks still appreciate it. Let's uh, let's jump in on that.

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Speaker 1: Second part about the offense I think we just all

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Speaker 2: and you start interviewing people and then you settle back

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Speaker 2: on Girad, it kind of feels like you weren't really sold.

435
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Speaker 1: And that was something that I think Florio wrote about

436
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Speaker 1: earlier on Friday, and I just I don't get that,

437
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Speaker 1: like you didn't want it hanging over the weekend with

438
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Speaker 1: the playoff games of people speculating are they going to

439
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Speaker 1: go to Vrabel? Are they going to do this? I

440
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Speaker 1: think if you have an idea, you know, again, contractually,

441
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Speaker 1: you kind of had to do this or break the

442
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Speaker 1: contract in some way. I would have liked to have

443
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Speaker 1: had them be a little bit more open minded to it.

444
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Speaker 1: I guess what I'm questioning is not the idea that

445
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Speaker 1: girod Mayo is the coach, because I think we all

446
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Speaker 1: think there's certainly a lot of potential as girod Mayo

447
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Speaker 1: was the coach. My question is going back to whenever

448
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 1: they decided to do this, what made them so sure

449
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Speaker 1: that that was the best way to do it? Why

450
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Speaker 1: is that the best way to succeed Belichick without being

451
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Speaker 1: able to really talk to anybody.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's totally fair point. And I think that's

453
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Speaker 2: why the next hires are almost more interesting because if

454
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Speaker 2: they hired they're not going to hire what, you know,

455
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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowek to be offensive coordinator because

456
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Speaker 2: they're gonna that's a lateral move for those guys. But

457
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Speaker 2: if they hire one of your tight pant guys to

458
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Speaker 2: come in and uh and coordinate the offense, that's maybe

459
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Speaker 2: you know, on Miami's staff, on San Francisco's staff, you know,

460
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Speaker 2: something like that, Then maybe they are trying to think

461
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Speaker 2: a little They are trying to bring something a little

462
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Speaker 2: bit different on that side of the ball. So who

463
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Speaker 2: the coordinator higher is what system he runs? Like if

464
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Speaker 2: it's just Josh McDaniels or Bill O'Brien, then I'm gonna

465
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Speaker 2: be a little bit concerned. Like, so we really didn't

466
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Speaker 2: learn anything for the last four years.

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Speaker 1: Let's go way outside the box.

468
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 2: Wes Welker tighter pants, even the tightest of pants. I

469
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Speaker 2: think Wes Welker rocks on.

470
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Speaker 1: I don't think exist hammer pants.

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Speaker 4: Let's go down to Eldrid in North Carolina, Hilder.

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Speaker 1: Your personal hello to Tamara. Only what was that?

473
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Speaker 8: You know, I was ump about move on. We didn't

474
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Speaker 8: have a little.

475
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Speaker 2: Bait I did to Eldrid. I did to bait.

476
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Speaker 8: But I'm with everybody else's problem with you too, man.

477
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Speaker 8: I wish like the devil did some more offensive homework

478
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Speaker 8: instead of another defensive guy.

479
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Speaker 1: And I don't mind the choice. I just would have

480
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Speaker 1: liked to have had more information.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean, I mean, to me,

482
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Speaker 8: it seemed like they was, like y'all said, boxed into

483
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Speaker 8: the contract. Well about the contract. If Ben Johnson or

484
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Speaker 8: Stovic or somebody else is better, you know, give you

485
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Speaker 8: a better revelation with the offense, because that's mainly what

486
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Speaker 8: we heard that. I don't care for the next couple

487
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Speaker 8: of years. I'm figuring it's gonna take us a minute

488
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Speaker 8: to get back up there. But he got a long

489
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Speaker 8: way to go, and I wish it was offensive. Mind

490
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Speaker 8: of guy that did That's all.

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Speaker 1: I got, Fellas, and I would agree with el I mean, like,

492
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Speaker 1: I know this was like a thing on the show

493
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Speaker 1: when we did the show yesterday. Like, I don't know

494
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that think it's great. He got

495
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Speaker 1: fired isn't that great. I just don't know a lot

496
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Speaker 1: of people. I know there are people, I'm not telling

497
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Speaker 1: you this none. I just don't know a lot of

498
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Speaker 1: people that revel in other people's misery. And you know,

499
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Speaker 1: I guess there's you know, certain people out there that do.

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Speaker 1: I don't take a lot of glee and a guy

501
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Speaker 1: who's been here for twenty four years not being the

502
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Speaker 1: coach anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, most of their response seemed more so like we're

505
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 5: so thankful for everything that he did, but we do

506
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Speaker 5: also understand that it's time to move on.

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Speaker 2: It was definitely I saw a.

508
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Speaker 3: Lot of people that were like apoplectic that they governed

509
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Speaker 3: of Bill Belichick. I mean that was that was the

510
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Speaker 3: biggest between thank you, like, let's just appreciate what it

511
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Speaker 3: was that between that group. I didn't really see the

512
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Speaker 3: oh it's about time like that group didn't.

513
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Speaker 1: I mean, how about the group that the media did this? Media?

514
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Speaker 4: The media and.

515
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Speaker 2: Games Wait, we can get to that second. But I

516
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Speaker 2: agree that I saw in Twitter and and Paul's shows

517
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Speaker 2: are not good sample sizes. I tell people that all

518
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Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, it's not a good sample size. But

519
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Speaker 2: I did see a lot of people that we were apoplectic.

520
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Speaker 2: We got some email about it. You know, what, what

521
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Speaker 2: the hell are they thinking? But I'd not like to

522
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: take any shots, But like, I think that those people,

523
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: we are uniquely connected to the team where we see

524
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Speaker 2: everything that's going on with the team on a day

525
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: to day basis during the season, where some other people

526
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Speaker 2: not totally like live your life, but like you might

527
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: just be checking in on Sundays at one o'clock and

528
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Speaker 2: sit down and watch the game casually, and aren't I

529
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Speaker 2: don't think people looked at it that look at it

530
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Speaker 2: that way, don't look at it realistically of what the

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Speaker 2: last four years of this football team have looked like,

532
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Speaker 2: Like they really have not been a competitive football team

533
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Speaker 2: since Tom Brady walked out the door.

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Speaker 1: And you can give the records and it's like thirty

535
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Speaker 1: three and forty four or something like that from the

536
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Speaker 1: halfway point of that twenty nineteen season on. That doesn't

537
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Speaker 1: even tell you everything. Would be really alarming to me

538
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Speaker 1: if I were Robert Kraft and Jonathan Craft. Is the

539
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Speaker 1: way the end of the season was sort of analyzed

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Speaker 1: by the media, and I even yesterday I heard a

541
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Speaker 1: lot of people say, like, you know, like and then

542
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Speaker 1: the way that they came down the stretch with spirited

543
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Speaker 1: wins over Pittsburgh and Denver and competitive games against Kansas

544
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Speaker 1: City and Buffalo. And I'm thinking to myself.

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Speaker 2: The competitive game against Kansas City was great.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not even arguing whether or not you thought

547
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Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't. I'm not arguing whether or not

548
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Speaker 1: it was competitive. What I'm arguing is have we really

549
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Speaker 1: fallen to the point where we're now excited that we

550
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Speaker 1: were able to only lose by ten at home to

551
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Like that was supposed to be like some

552
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Speaker 1: sort of like momentum that the team was building Like

553
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Speaker 1: that to me would be alarming. Like we've gone in

554
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Speaker 1: the span of five years to winning a Super Bowl

555
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Speaker 1: to being really enthusiastic about only losing by ten at

556
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Speaker 1: home to Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: They finished in the last place in the conference, like

558
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Speaker 2: they're the worst team in the AFC, and they played

559
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Speaker 2: like it like it wasn't not like it was a fluke.

560
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Speaker 1: Oh no.

561
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Speaker 2: And I just the other thing about the media pushing

562
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Speaker 2: pushing him out, and I agree with Eldred, like yesterday

563
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Speaker 2: was a day of reflection. I was happy. It was

564
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Speaker 2: not like I wasn't walking around here like you know, happy,

565
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: go lucky, like I got here yesterday and it was

566
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Speaker 2: I felt like we were at a funeral. It was horrible.

567
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, you have to all we

568
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Speaker 2: told you was what we were seeing and what was

569
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Speaker 2: happening on the field. None of it was just speaking

570
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Speaker 2: for myself. None of it was out of spite. None

571
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Speaker 2: of it was because he he mumbles at press conferences

572
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: or didn't answer my questions or whatever. None of it

573
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: had anything to do with that they were getting. They

574
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Speaker 2: were losing games at a at a record rate for

575
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Speaker 2: this franchise and for this era of football, and that

576
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: was what it was. They had flaws all over the

577
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: roster for the most part, Like defensively their flaws weren't catastrophic,

578
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Speaker 2: but offensively in special teams they made more sloppy mistakes

579
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Speaker 2: and more, you know, just bad football plays. And then

580
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Speaker 2: I've ever seen them, and like, eventually you have to

581
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: accept that, like and we just told you how it was.

582
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Speaker 2: And now we ran them out of town, Like okay.

583
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Speaker 3: Let's all let's jump back to the phone. So we

584
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Speaker 3: got Nick and omaha, Heynick, Hey.

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Speaker 9: Guys, how's it going good? A big fan of the show,

586
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 9: and you know, I'm a little timit. Hey, I'm a

587
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 9: little nervous. I don't know how Paul feels about feelings.

588
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 4: A little nervous talk right now, but just spit it out.

589
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 9: I was playing catch up this morning on the podcast,

591
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Speaker 9: and I just wanted to float something out there and

592
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 9: I thought was interesting. I know, you guys take some

593
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 9: interesting perspectives. I thought you enjoy this. Maybe not, but

594
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 9: something that Paul said or sorry not fall sorry Paul.

595
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 9: Something that Robert said yesterday and we're talking about coaches

596
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 9: and everything, and the reporter asked what went wrong last season?

597
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 9: And I think he took the words out of my mouth.

598
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 9: It was just kind of like I think we all

599
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 9: were like, yeah, I don't know, just like it was

600
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 9: kind of hard to diagnose what went wrong. But I

601
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 9: did have this thought, is it a little concerning to

602
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 9: hear that from Robert at all? Someone who's plugged in

603
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 9: and yeah, just kind of in the ins and outs

604
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 9: to hear him say I don't know, Like, I think

605
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 9: it would be a little bit more satisfying to hear

606
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 9: some sort of a diagnosis. But I'll take it off

607
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Speaker 9: the air.

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Speaker 4: But thanks I appreciate it. I mean, just for me.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think he wanted to throw anybody under

610
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: the bus. He was just being diplomatic. I mean, it's

611
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: obviously you can. I mean, he's talked about the draft before,

612
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: he's talked about how they missed on the draft picks,

613
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: which is an easy place to go. I agree that

614
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: there's a lot of different things, but I just didn't

615
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 3: think it was the time for him to be like, well,

616
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: he's draft sucked, and you know.

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Speaker 1: What's the bigger thing. Yeah, Mac, we don't have the

618
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: quarterback play. But he's not going to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he shouldn't, right, That's the way I took it

620
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: as well. And just sitting in the room, like he

621
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: paused for a while trying to think of what's the

622
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: best way to answer this question, and I think he

623
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: just decided that pleading the fifth was the best way

624
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: to answer the question, and that's sort of what we got.

625
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: But I also think that you know, you guys, we

626
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: were talking about this on Catch twenty two yesterday, which,

627
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: by the way, that whole podcast is like not exactly evergreen.

628
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: So I want Adam Peters, yeah right, you know, Mike

629
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: Rabel and Adam Peters. That's that's what's coming to town.

630
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: We're talking about this yesterday though, just like the idea

631
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: of having not just a general manager, but maybe like

632
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: a VP of Football Operations or President of Football Operations

633
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: that oversees the entire operation, because I don't I don't

634
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: know if Robert Craft and Jonathan Craft are technically qualified

635
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: to like be making these high level football decisions on

636
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: that in terms of personnel and all that kind of stuff.

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00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: And I just look at some of the other organizations

638
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: in town, and you know, the Bruins, for example, with

639
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: cam Neely. You know, they have Cam Neely up at

640
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: the top, then they have Don Sweeney as the general manager,

641
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: and then obviously Jim Montgomery's the coach, and cam Neely's

642
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: job is just to make sure that Don Sweeney and

643
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: Jim Montgomery aren't steering off a ledge, you know, when

644
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: they make some of these roster decisions and things like that.

645
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: And I want if one of you know, our great

646
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: well decorated former players just you know, would want to

647
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: have a role like that in the organization. Maybe somebody

648
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: that was just let go by the Titans, for example,

649
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: to come in and be the face of the franchise

650
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Speaker 2: from the top, you know, and run the team like that.

651
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: I think when you watch Bill Belichick walk out the door,

652
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: you're losing not just the coach, but you're also losing

653
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: the football figure in the mind, the head of the snake,

654
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: and like you can't just replace that with Gerard Mayo

655
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 2: and Elliott Wolf. Like, I just don't think that that's

656
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: you're losing too much brain power by doing it that way.

657
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: Do you think would be open to not being the

658
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 5: head coach though, and like not physically coaching.

659
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: I have no I honestly have no idea, but I

660
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: just look at it, and I it's more so in

661
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: other sports, I would say than in football. I think

662
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: the best example in football is probably John Lynch with

663
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. I was thinking Devin mccordy, Yeah,

664
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Speaker 2: Vivin mccortdy being great, and the guy.

665
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Speaker 1: Was thinking of was John Lynk, you know, like a

666
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: heady safety. He's been around for a long time.

667
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: I just look at it, and I look at it locally,

668
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: you know, guy like Brad Stevens makes the jump from

669
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: coaching to the front office, and like, I just think

670
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: sometimes coaching gets tiring. It's a it's a long, long hours,

671
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: long days. And I think one of the things that

672
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: Brabel got frustrated with in Tennessee was that he didn't

673
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: have personnel control, so you know, he had somebody continuously

674
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: overruling him on the roster. So but Devin would be great.

675
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: I know he loves doing TV though.

676
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: So he's probably got a little easier.

677
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go out to Kansas. Hey, Joe, Hey, you guys,

678
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: thanks for calling it.

679
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 10: Hey, I was wondering. I think with Robert Kraft he

680
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 10: had an idea, like with Tom Brady, there was a

681
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 10: clear successor in kind of Jimmy Garoppolo and stuff like

682
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 10: that before that fell apart. I wonder if losing a

683
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 10: great like Tom Brady, if he kind of would have

684
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 10: thought a little bit more about a succession plan after

685
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 10: Bill Belichick, and that could be a reason why he

686
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 10: so quick to announce Kinna draw Mayo's candice so he

687
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 10: has coached. Yeah, I was wondering what you guys thought

688
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 10: about that.

689
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Joe, appreciate it.

690
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: It's a good point.

691
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it is.

692
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: And it was funny because, like the immediate after math yesterday,

693
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: I saw a couple of people that complete there's no

694
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: succession plan, Like, well, first.

695
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Who said, how do you know?

696
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to bring up names, But.

697
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Like twenty minutes after they decided that Bill wasn't the

698
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: coach anymore, they were complaining.

699
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: When there was literally a succession plan written in writing

700
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: an avery.

701
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: Social media person who's just been on absolute hair the

702
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: last couple of days about how how tultably this has gone.

703
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: So probably not a good example.

704
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not exactly straw man, but it's kind

705
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: of just like a straw social media argument where like

706
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: I saw something come across my timeline.

707
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: And they're pretty wispy.

708
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: It must respresent, you know, it's straw like. But I

709
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: mean I think like it was easy for them, though, right,

710
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: it was easy for them, like this is. I mean,

711
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: they did make it easy for themselves. But I think

712
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: everything you said, Paul was was apt. You know, you

713
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: don't really give yourself a chance to even kick the tires.

714
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, Forrable, when you might not even have known

715
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: him like that, you would have had the opportunity to

716
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: maybe consider someone like that.

717
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: I find the whole thing interesting to go back and

718
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: all signs pointed to the fact that that Mayo was

719
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: the guy, but to learn when it actually happens that

720
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: it was contractual, yeah, is a little different. And I

721
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: think that did kind of like tie their hands a

722
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: little bit.

723
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 8: Yeah.

724
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: He So he interviewed for at least two other jobs

725
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty two off season, right going into

726
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: the Patricia Judge here offensively, just to put some contexts

727
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: Denver the Eagles. Yeah, and he might have been interviewed

728
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: with the Raiders. So it might have been it might

729
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: have been three, might not have been Denver, might have

730
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: been Raiders, I'll get the exact But he interviewed with

731
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: multiple teams and then was going to be another hot

732
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: commodity in the twenty twenty three cycle if he hadn't

733
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: signed this extension with the Patriots. So I think that

734
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: they were just really fearful of that he was gonna

735
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: walk for another job, and so they'd said, well, why

736
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: don't we just everybody else thinks he's head coach material,

737
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: so why don't we just make him the success or here?

738
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: But I agree that I with Paul that I would

739
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: have rathered a more extensive search, and I hope for

740
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: general manager that we don't find out that this is

741
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: as simple as Elliott Wolf is getting a promotion and

742
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: just like we did today, it's like Monday, you know,

743
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: it's in all this is over. Like I really do

744
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: hope that that side of things they have a more

745
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 2: extensive search.

746
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 5: I will say, like hearing that it was in his

747
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 5: contract made me think back to the article surfacing about

748
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 5: like how he was rubbing people the wrong way. I

749
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, now that makes sense because you know

750
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 5: he knew no matter what, like he was secure here,

751
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 5: like he didn't have a reason to be moping around

752
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 5: and upset and frustrated and angry, and.

753
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: That's why the twenty twenty three season was doomed to

754
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: fail before it even started.

755
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that was the best part of

756
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: Reese's pieces, which I thought was fantastic.

757
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: By the way, well then you know that's what he

758
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: used to call it, quog.

759
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, yah to read that I would consume it.

760
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to like claim that as

761
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: my own. Paul's calls that was mine.

762
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: I thought that Mike obviously did a great job as

763
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: he usually does and summing it up, and I one

764
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: of the things that he pointed out was just the

765
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: awkwardness of that whole thing because Bill knew that Gerard

766
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: was named the successor. Gerard knew he was named the successor,

767
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: So it's just like this awkward like how long is

768
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: Bill going to hang on for until it's Gerrod's team?

769
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: And I think that that did create a weird dynamic.

770
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: And then Neo to Mary, you brought up earlier the

771
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: weird dynamic in the quarterback room. So now you have

772
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: a weird dynamic between probably your two most important coaches,

773
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: and then you have a weird dynamic between your quarterbacks,

774
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: and you look back on it, no wonder why they

775
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: won four games.

776
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: You know. Torod's like looking after like the Saints loss,

777
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: being like I might.

778
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 4: Be getting the call up a little sooner.

779
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like as the season went on, he must have

780
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: And how much of the coaching staff knew that?

781
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: Probably people talk, Yeah, I wouldn't say.

782
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 5: I would say I wouldn't be surprised if even the

783
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 5: players knew that, Like.

784
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: So like, just to take that a step further, I

785
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: don't know exactly who and which ones, but I have

786
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: to think there is certainly a group that's pretty tight

787
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: with Gerard that knew that Gerard had it in his

788
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: contract and were team girod And there were probably some

789
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 1: of the.

790
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: Other guys, don Nab and Teo all over.

791
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: Right, some of the other guys are like, really, Bill,

792
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: like he has that in his contract? Are you kidding me? Like,

793
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: like just in the team Bill. So now there's a

794
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: division among the coaching staff, there's a division among the players.

795
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: Wasn't wasn't a good thing?

796
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: And you also the other thing that that Reese had

797
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: in there too, was similar to what the heralds had reported. Uh,

798
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: was that last week or whatever that Bill thought that

799
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: patricia offense was making strides. And Bill was not totally

800
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: against Bill O'Brien coming in, but he didn't necessarily think

801
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: it was necessary to make a change. And so you

802
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: have Gerard getting it written into his contract that he's

803
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: the heir apparent. You have the crab telling him that

804
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: you need to hire Bill O'Brien and not keep Matt Patricia.

805
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: And from Bill's side of things, you can start to

806
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: see why he was probably a little bit unhappy being

807
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: here because he was getting overruled by ownership on football decisions.

808
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: And so I see both sides of it. Now that

809
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: you know those both those things were probably dysfunctional.

810
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

811
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 5: It's a bit of a head scratcher though, for you

812
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 5: to really look at that Patricia offense and say, oh,

813
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: they're we're making progress.

814
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: I found myself wanting to go back and look.

815
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 5: I mean not saying that it was, you know, better,

816
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 5: because Paul brought up multiple times like if you look

817
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 5: at the numbers from both years, like it.

818
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: Was better, but better two years ago than it was

819
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: this year numbers wise, you just using the data, Yeah.

820
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: I will say that the first half against Buffalo in

821
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: the finale last year was their best half of offensive

822
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: football the entire season.

823
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say those two things. Number one,

824
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: if you just go by the sheer numbers, it was better.

825
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: And number two, I thought it got better as the

826
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: year went on. Yeah, when they finally started stop the

827
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: the chuck and duck and stopped turning it over, it

828
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: got better. It got better this year. Yeah, the best

829
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: it probably was was the first game. Yeah.

830
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that Week eighteen game against Buffalo. We can

831
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: go back revision is history and say if they don't

832
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: return two kickoffs like who knows, but they they had

833
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: they moved the ball, and that they had a great

834
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: first half offensively in that game, one of the better halves.

835
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: They did move the ball in that and.

836
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: They had a good night on Thanksgiving in Minnesota, you know,

837
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 2: in those games, and so they look, I'm not going

838
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: back and saying Patricia was. Yeah, But I can understand

839
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: from Bill's perspective why this all went south for him,

840
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: because I think we talk a lot about it, you know,

841
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: as employees of the team, and thinks, you know, the

842
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: team were still here. Bill's not, so we have to

843
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: talk about the future. But looking back on it with Bill, like,

844
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: I can see why he was probably ready to maybe

845
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: let go as well.

846
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: One last thing, Mike before you hit that is in

847
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: relation to that, like we mocked and ridiculed the idea

848
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: of trying to make some changes to the scheme yea

849
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: when Patricia did it. And I'm guilty of it just

850
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: as just as much as anybody else. I'm not excluding

851
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: myself from this. This year, it was like, you know,

852
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: they really got to get past this offense because the

853
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: time has passed, and I'm guilty of it. I'm telling you,

854
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: these are cliches that I've used this year. So I

855
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: do think that part of it was Bill O'Brien's doing. It,

856
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: and he's a real offensive coordinator, so everything is okay.

857
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: And when Patricia was doing it, there's no way this

858
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: can work. And I agree, and I don't think it worked.

859
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give you a revisions history that

860
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: it really was better than you think it wasn't. It

861
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: was terrible, but it was just as terrible this year,

862
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: if not more so. And now we think it's because

863
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: of the offense where they were kind of trying to

864
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: make some changes to the offense last year, not because

865
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: of Patricia. I think it was more of an organizational

866
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: decision to try to change things and people were mocking

867
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: them like these got The problem was those guys didn't

868
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: know how to implement the changes.

869
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 4: That was the problem.

870
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: I just it was good, right, Yeah, and the theory

871
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: was not wrong.

872
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 4: And then you wonder what Bill O'Brien coming back.

873
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: Did they just have to kind of blow that up

874
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: and just let Bill b I do what he does,

875
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: And do they have to you know, scrap changes that

876
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: maybe Bill actually wanted to employ.

877
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that you look at the Patricia

878
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: offense and I had to you trust the players, right,

879
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: like the guys that are actually trying to go out

880
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: there and make these plays. And the players with the

881
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: Patricia offense just continuously told us that they had no answers,

882
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: like there was no you know, the why thing right,

883
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: They had no They would ask questions as to what,

884
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: you know, why are we doing this? Why are we

885
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: doing that? Or you know, what do I do if

886
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: this happens? You know, if they blitz on this type

887
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: of play, like what am I supposed to do? And

888
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: they felt like the coaches didn't have confident, legitimate answers

889
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: for them. And I don't think that was what the

890
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: problem was this year. The problem this year I think

891
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: we're personnel and execution based versus last year. I think

892
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: a lot of people felt like they didn't know what

893
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: they were doing. And I think that that's a big difference.

894
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: But maybe their players were a little bit better than

895
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: we gave them credit for. In twenty twenty two.

896
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: Let's jump back to the phones. We got John down

897
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: on Louisiana. Hey, John, good, Yeah you can.

898
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 11: I was wondering being that, uh Mayo before the general manager,

899
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 11: does he kind of have the lead direction on what

900
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 11: the team is going to do, like be a free

901
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 11: agency in trade and do so? I hope that Cole

902
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 11: gets it.

903
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: By you that call of the day right there, Jo,

904
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: you just.

905
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 4: Locked it up. Thanks for calling in. Uh, that's a

906
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: good question. I mean that's it is a good question.

907
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't have a defini answer. I don't think so.

908
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 4: Is it usually the GM, the GM tech?

909
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: Well, I just feel like that they're setting this up

910
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: so it's different and it's going to be more of

911
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: a collaborative process. And I'm not sure that I like it,

912
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: but I think that's where they're headed.

913
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: I would I would like to hope that it's more

914
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: of a traditional process right where you have a general manager,

915
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: you have a hierarchy, like it's not just one guy

916
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 2: running the whole show. And Bill earned it, like Robert

917
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: said yesterday, Bill had to earn that responsibility once you know,

918
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: they won the three Super Bowls and things like that.

919
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: But now it will be interesting to see who has

920
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: controlled thefty three man roster. Like the ninety man roster

921
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: is one thing. You know, GM comes in, he makes

922
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: a bunch of signings, whatever, But the fifty three man

923
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: roster is what it's really about.

924
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: That needs to be the coach. I agree, fifty three

925
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: needs to be there because you get players you gotta

926
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: let the guy got because if.

927
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: The GM you know, has controlled the ninety and he

928
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: signs T Higgins, grod Mayo is not cutting T Higgins right, Like,

929
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: that's not But grod Mayo is going to know better

930
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: than the general manager who the fifty second guy is

931
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: versus the fifty fourth guy, because he's the one that's

932
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: out there coaching these guys. So, uh yeah, I agree

933
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: with that.

934
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: Jump back CJ and case CJ.

935
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 4: I hope you're staying warm out there. How's it going?

936
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's up?

937
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 8: Guys?

938
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 12: Hey, I uh, he kind of stole my idea. I

939
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 12: was gonna I read the Mike re season, I was

940
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 12: I wanted to chat with you guys about that.

941
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 6: But I'll just go back.

942
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 12: To something that I saw yesterday is a pretty interesting

943
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 12: history of the past three coaches of the Patriots Belichick.

944
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 12: It's Tee Carroll and it's Bill Parcells, and one of

945
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 12: them is already in the hall and the other two

946
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 12: are going there. Or do you do you think that

947
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 12: that's uh, you know, that that legacy that Gerrod's following,

948
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 12: Do you think that's on any of his mind with

949
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 12: the exprecations that the rest of us have as fans

950
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 12: being the last you know, going back past past Belichick

951
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 12: now thirty years of potential success. What do you guys

952
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 12: think about that?

953
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks c J. I appreciate it. Uh.

954
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: I think that's check, you.

955
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: Know, like I think that's Belichick follow you got to

956
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: just be you.

957
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's kind of like the probably the

958
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: question Mac guy all the time, like, oh, following Tom Brady,

959
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 5: not so much falling Camp because he was just there.

960
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 5: But I think when you when you focus too much

961
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 5: on that and trying to beat someone's legacy or being

962
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 5: someone choose, I think you can get.

963
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: Yourself in trouble.

964
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 5: So I'm kind of hoping he just is himself and

965
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 5: and doesn't change who he is to try to be,

966
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 5: you know, the next Pill Belichick.

967
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, the coaching tree. When you think about

968
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: all the failures of the coaching tree, McDaniel's judge, Patricia,

969
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the things you hear about

970
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: those guys and their other stops is that they were

971
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: these disciplinary and hard nosed head coaches, and people were

972
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: kind of like, you think you're Bill Belichick, but you're

973
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 2: not Bill Belichick. And I think Girod Mayo at least

974
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: so far has not been that way, and I hope

975
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: that it stays that way. But that doesn't you know,

976
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm polo you said earlier. That doesn't mean that there

977
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: isn't Bill instilled in girod Mayo. It just kind of

978
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: comes out in a different way, and I think that's

979
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: what they're hoping.

980
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, be nice, Cool to be nice.

981
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: Jody down in Atlanta. Hey, Jody, you don't be getting

982
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick.

983
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 13: What do you think about that?

984
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 4: You want Bill Belichick down there in Atlanta?

985
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 7: Oh?

986
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 9: Man, I was just about to talk about that.

987
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 13: The first first thing I was gonna say is Deuce

988
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 13: was wrong. Man, sounds like you hit one too many.

989
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, right, But yeah, they wanted.

990
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 13: Bill Belichick down here in Atlanta. I think it's so funny,

991
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 13: like over the last years since you know, we beat

992
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 13: them twenty eighty three games.

993
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 4: As soon as he said twenty three, it.

994
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 13: Went out whole organization and just hearing them now clamoring

995
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 13: for him, and it would be so ironic. A he's

996
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 13: the person that takes them back to this or not,

997
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 13: back to the Super to the Super Bowl and finally

998
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 13: get them over to Hume after they completely bashed him

999
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 13: for the last few years.

1000
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: That's good.

1001
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: I guess we'll We'll have to wait. Seats does seem

1002
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 3: like one of the favorite sectuality appreciated. Uh, I mean

1003
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: a little bit of speculation.

1004
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: We have seth Wickersham Autopsy of the Patriots. The it

1005
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: was the Patriots way until it wasn't so good and

1006
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: then apparently this is just one quoted in the in

1007
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: turn Mike, Mike cadlick is uh is quoting the good ones. Sorry,

1008
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't doesn't leave me a straight here,

1009
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: but this was a quote from the piece. Uh. Bill

1010
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: had told me that Brady couldn't play anymore, Kraft said

1011
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: privately afterward, and then he goes out and wins the

1012
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: effing super Bowl. So that was that was where the

1013
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: piece starts, is Brady's exit, and then it goes from there.

1014
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: All right, So that just dross on ESPN.

1015
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 3: I'm guessing with a new seth Wickersham behind the scenes

1016
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: now he wrote what the what?

1017
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: What did he write there that.

1018
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: He had the with don Nada, Oh and Nada the

1019
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, So I'm sure he's got plenty of

1020
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: stuff that's brutal.

1021
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: The pre eminent Patriots autopsy reporter.

1022
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: Well, we can all look forward to h to reading

1023
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: some of that. Let's try to get to some of

1024
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: these emails here before we wrap up this emergency.

1025
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: We can go forty six minutes.

1026
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: It seems these things go pretty easy. Any chance, the

1027
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: Crafts make a phone call the saban to be the

1028
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: president of football operations. That's from Courtney.

1029
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 5: I heard that he's getting an admin role at Teatown.

1030
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: Oh that sounds perfect, Claire Wright said, hello everyone him Marian, Hello,

1031
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 3: emergency pod FITZI really sold me on reasons for Raabel

1032
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: as head coach. So the Mayo news mildly bummed me out,

1033
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 3: but I will come around.

1034
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: I'm sure, of course, that's Claire.

1035
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: My question is do you feel any better or worse

1036
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: about that number three draft pick, as in who they

1037
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: may take now that you know it's at least Mayo

1038
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: at the top.

1039
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 5: I was thinking about that. I was like, do you

1040
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 5: think about like the top quarterbacks in your choice of

1041
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator, like trying to find someone who fits their style.

1042
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: I like, it's like Jiwd's the defensive guy, and you

1043
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: feel like he's gonna watch That's what you're like, Dude,

1044
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: you can't you can't you got to.

1045
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 4: Take an offensive guy, right.

1046
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do like the idea though that the quarterback

1047
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: is now going to be given to somebody that played

1048
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: in his younger yep, and he can relate to him,

1049
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: especially nowadays, like you're talking about Bill a seventy one

1050
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: year old Bill Belichick coaching a twenty one year old

1051
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, Like it's just a big, big age gap there,

1052
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: And I just feel like Gerard will be able to

1053
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: whether it's Jadon Daniels, Drake May, whoever, could have a

1054
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: better relationship with that player and be able to relate

1055
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: because whether it was whoever you want to blame for

1056
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: the Mac Jones relationship with Bill Belichick, that relationship did

1057
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: not go well. And I think a lot of it

1058
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: was was about just age and the difference in the

1059
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: you know, Mac it to know why and Bill told

1060
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: him to shut up and play, you know, like get

1061
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: and that that that was sort of the way that

1062
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: that that situation unfolded and why it kind of decayed

1063
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: was because you know, frankly, I don't think Bill Belichick

1064
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: liked Mac Jones very much, and just as a as

1065
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: a kid, as a person, you know, and I can

1066
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: understand it, like it's somebody that I'm not quite as

1067
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: young as Mac, but I can understand why somebody from

1068
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: Bill's guard would be like, what the hell is this?

1069
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: This kid is just a he's you know, spoiled. Like

1070
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: I'd say it that way, It is the best way

1071
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: to say it.

1072
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like this one from Katina and Houston

1073
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: just said, one of my concerns, based on what we've

1074
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: observed during Bill's tenure, is the importance of relationships between

1075
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: coaches in New England. This has proved to be both

1076
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: positive and negative, Ernie and Judge. Since Mayo has only

1077
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: been here, does he have enough connections relationships with people

1078
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: outside the organization that can bring new perspectives to fill

1079
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: out the coaching staff? Is my concern relevant?

1080
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is.

1081
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said she loves you guys, an so oh,

1082
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: thank you for all you do a.

1083
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: Lot of personal shoutouts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you noticed. But I do think that's a legit

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00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: concern because I don't know how many relationships Mayo has

1086
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: been able to develop an issue a time in the league,

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00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of that kind of really, and

1088
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about players, you know, I'm sure he

1089
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: has a million friends that he played with and whatnot,

1090
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: but in terms of coaches, administrators, gms and decision makers, advisors,

1091
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: things that he can lean on. Whereas Bill had a

1092
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: lot of that over his time. You know, when you

1093
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: think back to the you know, the Pioli's, the Dematrofs,

1094
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: the Ernie Adams and those kinds of people, he had

1095
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people in his corner.

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00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I'm going to keep banging the

1097
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: table to bring in another person in.

1098
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 4: That rush offensive staff because.

1099
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: I just feel like that Girod Mayo is going to

1100
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: need some help, like he's with in terms of like

1101
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: the CEO elements of being the head coach. I think

1102
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: he's going to need some guidance and he's going to

1103
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 2: need some help, And I think it would be great

1104
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: to have somebody on staff, whether it's the offensive coordinator,

1105
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: whether it's somebody upstairs that has that kind of you

1106
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: know history. The one guy that I I would say,

1107
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: you know, we all. I think hope that DeMarcus Covington

1108
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: stays and maybe he's the defensive coordinator for Girod. But

1109
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: Patrick Graham is another name that I would I would

1110
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: throw out there as potentially coming to join the staff.

1111
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: He's with the Raiders right now, but he was on

1112
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: mcdaniels's staff with the Raiders, So when they clean house,

1113
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: it will probably If they don't, you know, keep Antonio Pierce,

1114
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna end up being a free agent. Carn

1115
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: Brisillo already jumped ship to the Giants with Dables, so

1116
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: that's already.

1117
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: I wonder if Graham would go back to the Giants.

1118
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: I know it's possible, but the chair is already moving

1119
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: in terms of that Raiders staff, and maybe Patrick Graham,

1120
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: who played Excuse me, was the coach Mayo's coach. He

1121
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: was a linebackers coach when dra Maya was playing with

1122
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: the Patriots, so they definitely have a relationship.

1123
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 5: I like the question because I do you wonder if

1124
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 5: he has some of mentor that helped him through his

1125
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 5: interview processes, you know, like the past couple of years

1126
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 5: when he's gone into the interviews, like I know he

1127
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 5: probably you know, picked Bill Belichick's brain, but I do

1128
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 5: wonder if he's reached out and found his own network

1129
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 5: to talk to guys who have been in his shoes

1130
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 5: before that.

1131
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: Are a little bit younger.

1132
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: Got a good one here, from Hutters, he calls us

1133
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: deuced dude, Dodett and Dad the duce.

1134
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 4: You couldn't be my dad?

1135
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: You care for that? You're told you how good your

1136
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: email was yesterday?

1137
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: Fred is dad. You're like, you're like.

1138
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: Even though Fred's like three years older.

1139
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: Than Yeah, you're like older brother.

1140
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 4: I like this though out from Chutters.

1141
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: When do you think Bill truly knew what his future

1142
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: was going to be? Because he must have had insight

1143
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 3: into the contract position with my own Like, do you

1144
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: think that did he just try to.

1145
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: Tough it out this year? But it's just it's hard

1146
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 4: to see.

1147
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: I think he thought they were going to win. I

1148
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: don't think he ever does anything thinking it's going to

1149
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: be a disaster. I think he felt like they could

1150
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: put it together and win.

1151
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: It didn't work, Yeah, but did he feel like his

1152
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: hands were starting to be more and more tied to

1153
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: the way he wants to.

1154
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: But I figured, this is just my take. I feel

1155
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: like he felt, you want to stack the deck against me. Okay,

1156
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go eleven and six and go to the playoffs,

1157
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: Then what are you gonna do? That's how I think

1158
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: he went into the season.

1159
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 5: I do wonder when he looked at this roster. If

1160
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 5: he really thought he could win with these guys.

1161
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: I think so. I think he.

1162
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that based on some of the conversations

1163
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: I've had, that that's what he felt.

1164
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 2: I think Paul's right that he always thinks that he'll

1165
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: if he has to put that lipstick on the pig.

1166
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: And I can coach around it.

1167
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do wonder if this was a little bit

1168
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: discussed between all the parties and with Bill. He's what

1169
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: fifteen shy of Shuler right now? Right?

1170
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Well? Of yeah, passing him, I think it's fourteen, and

1171
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: then fifteen would.

1172
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: Be So if he won four games this year, let's

1173
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: say they win eight or nine games this year, I

1174
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: guess you could make an argument that in two years

1175
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: he could have done it, right, like if they had

1176
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 2: waited to do his succession plan until after twenty twenty four,

1177
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: which is what I think the plan was. I mean,

1178
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: they would have had to been really good for two

1179
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: years to do it. But if he wins ten games

1180
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: in ten games and all of a sudden he passes

1181
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: Shula in twenty twenty four, and then he passed the torch,

1182
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: like maybe that was what was discussed as the succession plan.

1183
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: All right, let's grab a couple less calls here as

1184
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: we bring this thing home.

1185
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: Last call hour over the top.

1186
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 4: Let's get down to Jackson in Alabama. Hey Jackson, Hey guys.

1187
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 6: How are y'all?

1188
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 5: Goo?

1189
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: Good?

1190
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 4: It's up.

1191
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 6: Good.

1192
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 9: I got just two points real quick.

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00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: One.

1194
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 8: I love the thought of.

1195
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 6: Mike Braid will be in like.

1196
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 7: A president football operations, just having in that seat.

1197
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 6: That would make me feel very comfortable about Darmeo being there.

1198
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 9: And just kind of like somebody to look over the

1199
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 9: top of him.

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00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 13: And the other one is an honest question to Evan

1201
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 13: if he's ever really I mean, I know, we joke

1202
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 13: about it a lot, if he's ever really thought about

1203
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 13: coaching or.

1204
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 8: I don't know, like you know, the.

1205
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 13: Someone that could actually do it, you know what I mean.

1206
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: But that is good, That is very flattering. I am

1207
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: way too kind.

1208
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: Some of us don't look that way.

1209
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: Paul is right on this one. Actually, uh no, not

1210
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: not really, because I do not think I'm not that

1211
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 2: much of an egomaniac. I think that I could actually

1212
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: actually do it.

1213
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: Why don't you put this to the test, because I

1214
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 3: think I'll be coaching flag football this year.

1215
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: Why don't we have Evan put the playbook together for my.

1216
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: Flag Teamerto Rico. No, I need all this run match

1217
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: the entire time gives me vibe.

1218
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 5: Evan gives me vibes of when your bro Peppers was

1219
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 5: asked about flag football when he's like flag football, No,

1220
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 5: I'm too violent for that.

1221
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: I like people just to play the game. Because the

1222
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: caller brought it up. I can't coach all right, Like

1223
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: I know that. I like you no way. But personnel

1224
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: has always like I've always loved that, Like the draft

1225
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: is like my my favorite time of year.

1226
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I would have thought the other way.

1227
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: If I had to get if I had to go

1228
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: into one direction, whether it would be in the personnel

1229
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: department scouting for the draft or whatever, or like advanced

1230
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: scouting of opponents, you know, like watching you know, the

1231
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: upcoming opponents film and breaking that down. That would be

1232
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: more of my thing. But like hands on, like going

1233
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: out to practice every day, and like coaching players hands on, No,

1234
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: like I look more out of place than Dante Scarneki did.

1235
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: Like I can't do that now.

1236
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry to the Las Army on that one. All right,

1237
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: last call of the day. This is gonna be Jesse

1238
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: in Washington.

1239
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 4: Hey, Jesse, Hey, guys.

1240
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 6: Quick question here, what have they done to address the

1241
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 6: biggest problem that exists for the New England Patriots, which

1242
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 6: is their offensive team? Offensive personnel. I feel like Giron

1243
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 6: Mayo is the answer question that no one was asking,

1244
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 6: which is do we need a leader? Do we need

1245
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 6: someone who can remake the defensive side of the football.

1246
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 6: He doesn't actually address what is the root cause of

1247
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 6: the Patriots failures over the last several years. So I

1248
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 6: guess why have we not taken more aggressive steps to

1249
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 6: address the offense in the personnel on the side of

1250
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 6: the offense?

1251
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 4: Gotcha, good question, Jesse. Thanks.

1252
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we waiting to see who's going to be running

1253
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: the offense.

1254
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, that's to me when we we get

1255
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: to go to Girod's presser on Wednesday at noon, and

1256
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: I think we said that already, but that's when the

1257
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: introductory press conference is. That's the number one question in

1258
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: the room is what's the plan on offense? Like we

1259
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: all love you, Girod, and like congratulations, happy for you.

1260
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: Defense going to stay the same because you.

1261
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: Know every single one of these guys congratulations.

1262
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I I work for the team,

1263
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: So me saying it is like I already have a

1264
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: little bias in me, as you can probably tell, like these.

1265
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: Are actually really happy these other.

1266
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 2: People like never mind, the point is number one question

1267
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: in the room has got to be we all right, Like,

1268
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: we know you can coach defense. We know that side

1269
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: of the ball is pretty set personnel wise too. What's

1270
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: the plan on offense? What's what's your view, what's your

1271
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: philosophy on offense? Because I went back and listened to

1272
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: some of his responses during the season, and a couple

1273
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: of them were okay, and a couple of them were

1274
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: not so exciting, like he did.

1275
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: You can't just say we want to score points.

1276
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: He said, the score points. He said at one point

1277
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: that he would be happy to win every game three

1278
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: to nothing, and I threw up a little bit in

1279
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: my mouth, So.

1280
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: Like, why not be happy to win thirty to nothing? Right?

1281
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: So that that that's the number one question?

1282
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: Nine?

1283
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: Why not?

1284
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not telling you want to sacrifice your defense.

1285
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: You don't have to sacrifice defense, But what's score a lot? Yeah,

1286
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: and not give up any That's that fine? Fine?

1287
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 5: Okay, So we're trying to see big twelve football where

1288
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 5: there's just.

1289
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: There you go, already did nothing of it?

1290
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: All right, Well that's going to do it for this

1291
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: emergency podcast. Of course, we get a long weekend coming up,

1292
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: and then we'll have gid MAO officially introduced next week.

1293
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll get some answers as far as GM.

1294
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: I guess we We'll have a show on Wednesday as well,

1295
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, with the twelve o'clock press conference. Maybe a

1296
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: setup similar to what we did on Thursday. Maybe Mike

1297
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: and I will be with Fred and maybe tomorrow and

1298
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: Evan will be in the best conference to make sure

1299
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: that you can graduate.

1300
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you. You were my first choice.

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Speaker 2: I would like to congratulate you. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Paul is breaking news on the pot here Well, emergency.

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Speaker 1: Shows, I think that's what we should do on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: I'll bring it up to Fred and maybe he'll get

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Speaker 1: back to me. I don't know. I doubt it.

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Speaker 3: Persona non grata, I want to thank everybody for tuning

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Speaker 3: in love all the attention for the emergency pods.

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Speaker 4: You guys are clamoring for one, so we're happy to

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Speaker 4: give you one.

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Speaker 3: And who knows, hopefully this might not be the last

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Speaker 3: one of the off season. Otherwise, we'll see you Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: usual time, twelve to two Mayo Era.

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