1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey, 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and this is a classic 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: episode from our erstwhile host, Christian Sager. It concerns the 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: murky mysteries of prehistoric animals and the even murkier motivations 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: of some of the people who have hunted their fossils. Hey, 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: great stuff, it's Christian Sager. So our question for the 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: day is did the Brontosaurus exist? And the short answer, yeah, 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: it sure did. But like so many answers, this one 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: spawns a lot more questions. Is that really its correct name? 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: How is it related to the apatosaurus? Wasn't it given 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: the wrong skull? And if it did exist, was it delicious? 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Let's back up, We're gonna go to eighteen seventy seven. 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: The confusion over the Brontosaurus stems partially from confusion in 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: biological taxonomy, but also from a bitter rivalry of paleontologists. 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: That's right, a rivalry between friends turned enemies whose battle 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: for fame and power destroyed them. Both meet both Neil 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: Charles marsh and Edward Drinker cope everything about giving your 18 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: kid a middle name like Drinker. They became good enough 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: friends while studying natural history together that in the eighteen 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: sixties they even named newly discovered fossils after each other. 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: But Marsh was ambitious, like Slytherin ambitious. When Cope showed 22 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: him around a fossil quarry in Camaraderie, Marsh struck a 23 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: deal with the quarry owner behind Cope's back. All the 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: fossils found there and the profits attached to them went 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: straight to Marsh, and it sparked what history calls the 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: bone Wars. This was a fiery race to find and 27 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: published papers about new ancient creatures. One of these creatures 28 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: was the Apatosaurus a jacks, a huge plant eater with 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: a long neck and all that Marsh discovered in eighteen 30 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: seventy seven. The skeleton was incomplete, but Marsh wanted the 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: credit for finding it, so he slapped on the head 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: of another dinosaur found nearby, a Chimarasaurus, in his published reconstruction. 33 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: Then in eighteen eighty five, Marsha's fossil collectors sent him 34 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: a set of bones belonging to a larger, long necked, 35 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: long tailed herbivore, a more complete set. Marsh decided it 36 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: was a different animal and published his discovery of the 37 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: Brontosaurus excels Us. His illustration of its skeleton was the 38 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: first dinosaur sketch to receive wide lay circulation, and it 39 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: caught the public's imagination. His haste was understandable. Cope was 40 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: battling Marsha's superior connections by practicing what's been called taxonomic 41 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: carpet bombing. He would publish fourteen hundred articles in his 42 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: fifty six years. The two former das slandered and sabotaged 43 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: each other into financial and reputational ruin. Our friends over 44 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: its stuff you missed in history class, actually did a 45 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: whole podcast two part in it if you want a 46 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: deeper dive. But back to the Brontosaurus. Shortly after Cope 47 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: and Marsha's deaths, a paleontologist studying Marsha's work noticed that 48 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: the Apatosaurus and the Brontosaurus skeletons were really similar, So 49 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: similar that the scientific community deemed the Brontosaurus excels Us 50 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: an adult specimen of the Apatosaurus genus. So in nineteen 51 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: o three, Brontosaurus lost its official status, but museums, it seems, 52 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: didn't get the memo. Starting in nineteen o five, the 53 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: Saura pods started seeing display around the world labeled Brontosaurus 54 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: excels us, sometimes with a Camarasaurus head. It wasn't until 55 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties that these pervasive mistakes were corrected at large. 56 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: But the story or doesn't end there. In April of 57 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: a group led by paleontologist Emmanuel Chop published a study 58 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: analyzing eighty one sauropod specimens, including precise measurements of four 59 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven different physical features. According to their findings, 60 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: they reported not only that Marsha's Brontosaurus excelsis skeleton had 61 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: enough differences to be considered its own species, but that 62 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: there should be two additional specimens in the Brontosaurus genus. 63 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: For now, the Brontosaurus isn't back for sure. It's up 64 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: to the scientific community to come to a consensus on 65 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: whether Brontosaurus and a Patosaurus deserve their own separate genera. 66 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: But the thunder lizard certainly wasn't a fake. Marsh was 67 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: just kind of a jerk. Oh, I love this one. 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