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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshin, I am his son, Jeff Kirkshin

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Speaker 1: and Dad a big shout out and thank you to

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Speaker 1: Dan Levitard, who was our guest in yesterday's episode. He

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Speaker 1: is so funny and your appearances on the Dan Levatard

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Speaker 2: Are just iconic. So to finally get him on our

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Speaker 3: Special and Jeff again. His use of the language is

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Speaker 3: absolutely breathtaking. And I'm a writer and I listened to

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Speaker 1: And I mean he's based out of Miami. He's always

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Speaker 1: getting warm weather. But what has been going on on

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Speaker 3: Yesterday I saw a dog chasing a cat and they

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Speaker 3: I mean I had and you know how cold I am.

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Speaker 3: I never sweat. I mean I weigh one hundred and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday, Dad was the first time in the pool

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Speaker 2: And I have a like.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen foot wide, round above ground pool that you can

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Speaker 2: And I knew.

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Speaker 1: From you and my father in law describing it as

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Speaker 1: really worth it? And I was like, Oh, the pool's

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Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend. How many times will we have been

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Speaker 2: Because I don't think it's going to be very many.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, our pool is worth it because Emma Kinahan

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Speaker 3: and Carson Kinahan, ages two and four, jumped into the

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Speaker 3: is something that you, aged thirty one, still haven't really done. Jeff.

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Speaker 3: hundred feet in the air of hang gliding. What is

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Speaker 3: that thing called that you and Kelly did That would

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Speaker 3: have scared the light? We did the parasailing situation, right, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: I'm so afraid rode in a.

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Speaker 1: US Navy Blue Angel. But I've never dove headfirst into a.

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Speaker 3: Pool like Jeff. That's my point. It doesn't follow. Look,

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Speaker 3: I know you're not real good in the water, and

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Speaker 3: but it's still amazing to me that Carson, aged four,

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Speaker 3: and he's wearing floaties. Have you ever considered just wearing

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Speaker 1: No, I got floaties on my daughter, But on my pool,

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Speaker 1: bought this solar cover so we don't have heat for

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Speaker 2: We don't have a heater. You do, so that makes

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Speaker 3: Interrupt, I'm not sure the heater actually works, and you

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Speaker 2: And it's supposed to help heat your pool.

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Speaker 1: So I put it on the day before it got

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Speaker 2: I mean it was. I felt like I was in

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Speaker 1: Tub, right, And I had to go in and McKinley,

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Speaker 2: We had to kind of mix all the warm water in.

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Speaker 2: It was. I was shocked.

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Speaker 1: And granted it's been very high, very sunny, I was

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Speaker 3: And as you know, Jeff, running a pool can be

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Speaker 3: to help out with the expenses. I got a SAG

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Speaker 3: check for my appearance on Brockmeyer. So it's a royalties

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Speaker 3: check for eight dollars and ninety three cents. How about that?

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Speaker 3: What a bonus that is when money arrives in the

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Speaker 3: As you know, Jeff, I did a Brockmeyer episode with

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Speaker 3: it was years ago that we did this. I only

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Speaker 2: That's impressive, Dad, take that to the bank. I'm loving that.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, we had hank's Aria, who played Brockmeyer

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Speaker 3: Jeff, do you remember how I botched my only real

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Speaker 1: Yes, you were asked about Barbara Streisand and your line

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Speaker 1: was I loved her in Yentil, which was a movie

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Speaker 3: It's a lagome. I got it all screwed up, and

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Speaker 3: that was my acting debut and I'm still getting paid

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Speaker 3: for it. Have you ever are you in the SAG

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a SAG member.

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Speaker 1: Our radio station in Philly ninety two five XCU is Union.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm a SAG member. So it's like you,

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Speaker 1: me and Brad Pitt all accessing the same benefits here, well,

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Speaker 1: one of us using them more than anybody else. But Dad,

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Speaker 1: I have one question before we get to the takeaways.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing all right with your shirt here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? This he's a shirt that I haven't worn in

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Speaker 3: a long time, and I just put it on today

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Speaker 3: because it's very cool and it really doesn't fit anymore.

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Speaker 3: So I I'm sorry you have been feel like twenty times.

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Speaker 3: It's terrible. I shouldn't have put it on, but it's

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Speaker 1: And also when you cross your arms, it kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a bad It's a beautiful shirt, and

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Speaker 3: it's an expensive shirt. I just haven't worn it in

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Speaker 3: it again. Jeff, I took I took my shirt off

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Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, never mind, never mind, all right, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: I went to the Orioles game and I saw Bruce

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Speaker 3: Bochie Bruce Bochi is one of my favorite people ever.

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Speaker 3: He's a Hall of Fame future Hall of Fame man.

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Speaker 3: two really good days talking to Boach, and I thought,

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Speaker 3: in that picture, what Bruce Bochie looks like Jeff Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I said, Boach, did you play football growing up?

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Speaker 3: I was way too small to play football. Bruce Bochi's

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Speaker 3: in baseball. He's one of the funniest people in the world.

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Speaker 3: He told me my junior year in high school, I

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Speaker 3: and I look like Ernie Douglas. Now, only people my

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Speaker 3: I thought he was always this big, hulking guy who

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Speaker 3: he was drafted in the first round. Isn't that amazing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is amazing. And I just did a quick

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Speaker 1: Ernie Douglas Google Dad. I'm not even trying to be funny.

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Speaker 3: You actually look like him. Not the first person that's

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Speaker 3: ever said I look really Ernie Douglas yet, And not

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Speaker 3: a compliment, Jeff, No, it is a coup.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of cute little school photos of them

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Speaker 1: that looked like I remember pictures from.

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Speaker 2: When you were younger.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Jeff, there's there are a lot of similarities there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not real happy about that. But that's the why

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Speaker 1: What do you got this week for takeaways?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So, Jeff, I tell you every week about a

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Speaker 3: new pitcher that comes to the big leagues. And you know,

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Speaker 3: last week I was telling you about Jacob Miseroowski, who's

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Speaker 3: He throws one hundred miles an hour. Just another kid. Well,

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Speaker 3: this week, Chase Burns made his major league debut. He

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Speaker 2: And this stadium, Dad, is going to be state of

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Speaker 1: They didn't actually break any ground because after being a

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Speaker 3: Ground in the middle of June, right.

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Speaker 3: Wow. So look, the a should have never left Oakland, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: But back then it was taboo. And now now, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: That's close to averaging two strikeouts game. That's unbelievable. But Dad,

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Speaker 3: times about the people who wore number zero, Al Oliver

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Speaker 3: and the people who wore number ninety nine. You know,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Judge, Mitch Williams, Manny Ramirez, all these guys. So

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Speaker 3: we had big fun with that. And then of course

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Speaker 3: Mike also texts this to Sarah Lanx, who is just

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Speaker 3: a genius when it comes to baseball, a genius, all right,

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Speaker 3: So she more immediately reports back that last year with

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers, Jack Fly already war number zero and Joe

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Speaker 3: Kelly reliever wore number ninety nine, and they were on

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Speaker 3: the same team. Now, as I went back and check,

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Speaker 3: though at no game last year did they pitch in

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Speaker 3: the same game, let alone follow each other. But we

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Speaker 3: had a zero start the game, and then the second

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Speaker 3: pitcher in the game war number ninety nine. Better believe

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Speaker 3: the next one's got to be won, right, got to

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Speaker 3: keep the train going exactly right. Last thing, Jeff I

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Speaker 3: was talking to a major league executive the other night,

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Speaker 3: and he was a young When he was a young kid,

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Speaker 3: he didn't understand what the hit and run was all about.

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Speaker 3: So he's standing with Frank Robinson in one of these

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Speaker 3: suitets upstairs at the ballpark, and he says, like, mister Robinson,

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Speaker 3: can you explain I'm not sure why I got such

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Speaker 3: a kick out of this, but can you explain the

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Speaker 3: hit and run? So Frank Robinson is eating shrimp cocktail,

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Speaker 3: and while he's eating the shrimp cocktail, he is describing

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Speaker 3: what the hit and run is about. So each time

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Speaker 3: he eats the shrimp cocktail, he takes the little tail

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Speaker 3: which you don't eat, and he puts four of them down,

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Speaker 3: and now those are the four bases, and he uses

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Speaker 3: the actual shrimp as a hitter and as a runner,

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Speaker 3: and then he explains the whole thing while he's eating

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Speaker 3: shrimp cocktail. Using shrimp cocktail to explain the hit and run?

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Speaker 3: Is that priceless or not?

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Speaker 1: And we are raised to not play with our food,

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Speaker 1: But I think that is a very good use of

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Speaker 1: a shrimp cocktail, a delicious explanation of the hit and run.

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Speaker 3: Right. So here a baseball executive is now all grown

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Speaker 3: up and knows the game. Now he was taught the

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Speaker 3: hit and run by Frank Robinson using a shrimp cocktail.

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Speaker 1: Love it coming up next on is this a great game?

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Speaker 1: Or what Dad is going to run us down for

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Speaker 1: on this state in baseball history? Also the best number

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Speaker 1: twenty three and number twenty four and an ode of

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Speaker 1: our guest the greatest Marlins player of all time. It's

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Speaker 1: all coming up next on is this a great game

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Speaker 1: or what? Welcome back to Is this a great game

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Speaker 1: or what? And Dad we're onto on this state and

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Speaker 1: baseball history? What do you have for June the twenty.

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Speaker 3: Six right, nineteen seventy, the aforementioned Frank Robinson with the

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Speaker 3: Shrimp Cocktail. He hit two Grand Slams in a game

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Speaker 3: against the team that I loved at the time because

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Speaker 3: they were my hometown team, the Washington Senators. He hit

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Speaker 3: them consecutively in the same game. So in consecutive at

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Speaker 3: bats he hit Grand slams, and Frank's one of the

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Speaker 3: great hitters of all time. They were the only two

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Speaker 3: Grand Slams that he hit in his six years with

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Speaker 3: the Orioles, and he hit them in consecutive at bats

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Speaker 3: in the same game.

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Speaker 2: Is that crazy?

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Speaker 3: It's crazy?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he ended up having more than just

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Speaker 1: his time with the Orioles, But to think that.

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Speaker 2: He only hit two Grand slams.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I only got two in me, and it's

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Speaker 1: within this twenty five minute period.

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Speaker 3: Let's see if you could remember, Jeff, maybe one of

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Speaker 3: the famous players that I've mentioned over the last few weeks,

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Speaker 3: maybe even last week, who only hit one Grand Slam

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Speaker 3: in his career, and Frank Robinson hit two in one

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Speaker 3: game and he did it in consecutive at bats. I'll

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Speaker 3: give you a hit, Derek Jeter. Yes, very good, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: you are actually listening to our own podcast. Yes, Derek Jeter, who,

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Speaker 3: by the way, is our second guy here. It's his birthday.

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Speaker 3: Derek Jeter was born on this date in nineteen seventy four. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's be clear, Jeff. For me, at least, Derek Jeter

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Speaker 3: is one of the three greatest shortstops of all time.

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Speaker 3: Hannus Wagner's first, and then two or three is either

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Speaker 3: Cal Ripken or Derek Jeter. I really believe that those

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Speaker 3: are the three greatest shortstops of all time. You look

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Speaker 3: at the World Series rings, the stat I gave you

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Speaker 3: the other day about the only two players in Major

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Speaker 3: League history who are five over five hundred games over

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Speaker 3: five hundred in their career for the teams that they played,

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Speaker 3: meaning when they played their teams were five hundred games

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Speaker 3: over five hundred. It was Derek Jeter and who else?

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Speaker 3: Yogi Berra, no good, try Luke Garrett, Yes, Luke Garrett.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, right, I knew it had to be a Yankee, right,

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Speaker 1: very Garett.

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Speaker 3: So again, Jeff, I'm a bit of a I protect

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Speaker 3: people every once in a while, but I think Derek

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Speaker 3: Jeter is an underrated player, not an overrated player. Aaron

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Speaker 3: Boone told me once that he said, when I played

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Speaker 3: against Jeter, I thought he was really good, and then

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Speaker 3: I played with him, and he was way better than

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Speaker 3: I thought he was. That's how good he is when

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Speaker 3: you get to see him every day. And Boone told

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Speaker 3: me that when Derek Jeter would lead off, which was

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Speaker 3: most of the time, he would come into the dugout,

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Speaker 3: whether he hit a home run in the first bat

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Speaker 3: or struck out on three pitches, and he would scream

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Speaker 3: to every one in the dugout, this guy's got nothing.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna light this guy up, We're gonna kill this

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Speaker 3: guy tonight. It's just his way of getting everybody ready

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Speaker 3: to play. And Jeff, I never saw him loaf. I

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Speaker 3: never saw him not run hard. In fact, Buck Martinez,

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Speaker 3: when he was the manager of the Blue Jays, told

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Speaker 3: me once Derek Jeter is the captain of the Yankees

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Speaker 3: because you can hear him run to first base every time.

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Speaker 3: And Jeff, I'm sorry, but that really really matters. I

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Speaker 3: mean O'Neil Cruz, who we mentioned earlier in the game.

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Speaker 3: In the show, he got yanked from a game Tuesday

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Speaker 3: night because he didn't run hard to first base on

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Speaker 3: a grounded into double play. Look, that is unacceptable. And

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Speaker 3: then after the game Cruz said, well, I forgot how

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Speaker 3: many outs there were, That's why I didn't run hard. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's equally also unacceptable. You can't forget how many outs are.

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Speaker 3: And if you know how many outs are, you gotta

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Speaker 3: run hard all the time. Derek Jeter always did. And Jeff,

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Speaker 3: and you played a lot of pickup basketball in your life.

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Speaker 3: Derek Jeter, I've always made this comparison. Is the guy

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Speaker 3: in the pickup basketball game who's often the best player,

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Speaker 3: but not always the best player, but he's always the

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Speaker 3: guy that you look at on your team and say

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Speaker 3: we're gonna win because he's on our team. He's gonna

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Speaker 3: get every dirty rebound. He's gonna guard the toughest guy

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Speaker 3: on the other team, and when it comes time to

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Speaker 3: make a big shot, that's gonna Derek Jeters guy, it's

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Speaker 3: gonna do that. That's who he is. After they won

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Speaker 3: their last Jeter's last championship. This was in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and nine. My job after the game as a TV

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Speaker 3: guy after the game, I'd go right also, but was

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Speaker 3: to just get an interview with Derek Jeter. And I'm

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Speaker 3: chasing him around with our camera crew and he just

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Speaker 3: will not stop because he's running into the clubhouse to

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Speaker 3: be a part of the celebration. But Jeff, he never

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Speaker 3: even stopped in the clubhouse where there's champagn flowing everywhere.

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Speaker 3: His teams are going ballistic, and he walks very carefully

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Speaker 3: through the clubhouse until he gets to the other side

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Speaker 3: of the clubhouse where there's a lobby, and out in

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Speaker 3: the lobby is his mother and his father, And he

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Speaker 3: went out there and he hugged his mom and dad first,

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Speaker 3: thanked them for everything that he's given them, fifth ring

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Speaker 3: that he won, but he still felt the need to

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Speaker 3: go out and thank his mom and dad first, and

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Speaker 3: then he went in and celebrated with his teammates. That's

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Speaker 3: who Derek Jeter is to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be cheesy, but that story, right

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Speaker 1: there is what our show is all about.

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Speaker 2: Listen. We can go into quart gins, we can go

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Speaker 2: into takeaways.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the numbers, but it's stories like that

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Speaker 1: that only you have in this industry. And it's what

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Speaker 1: I take so much enjoyment of being on this show

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Speaker 1: with you is hearing beautiful stories like that. So that's

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Speaker 1: on this state in baseball history. Let's move to from

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Speaker 1: Ozzie to Oral Dad. We're gonna knock down two numbers today.

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Speaker 1: Who is the greatest player of all time to wear

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Speaker 1: number twenty three?

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Speaker 3: All right, this is not.

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Speaker 2: Easy, Michael Jordan, I'm sorry. We're baseball right right.

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Speaker 3: Don Mattingly is a close second, but I went with

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Speaker 3: Ryan Sandberg. First Hall of Fame, second baseman, made ten

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Speaker 3: All Star teams, won nine goal gloves, won an MVP,

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Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty two homers, thousand and sixty one RBIs,

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Speaker 3: three hundred and forty four stolen bases. And remember Jeff

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Speaker 3: he was a Philly at one point and they traded

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Speaker 3: him to the Cubs in a deal that involved Devon

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Speaker 3: de Jesus and Larry Boa. So when he gets to

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Speaker 3: the Cubs, Jim Fry, the manager of the Cubs, said, son,

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Speaker 3: you got to learn how to pull the ball. Let

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Speaker 3: me show you how to do that. And he told

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Speaker 3: him in batting practice, I want you to intentionally pull

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Speaker 3: the ball over the third base dugout like every time.

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Speaker 3: Just try to hit it over there as far as

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Speaker 3: hard as you can over there and get in the

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Speaker 3: pull mode. And that's how Ryan Samberg learned how to

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Speaker 3: pull the ball and started hitting home runs, which he

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Speaker 3: hit forty in one season, won the home run derby

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Speaker 3: one year. But the best part, of course of Ryan

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Speaker 3: Samberg was his defense. All Right, he's one of the

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Speaker 3: most He's one of the great elegant defensive second basemen

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Speaker 3: that we've ever seen. It's unbelievable how good a defender

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Speaker 3: he was. So Jeff back in the day where you

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Speaker 3: used to be allowed to kill the shortstop or kill

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Speaker 3: the second basement on the double play. Lloyd McClendon, former player,

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Speaker 3: former manager, great dude told me once he said, I

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Speaker 3: got hit by a pitch intentionally by the Cups and

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Speaker 3: it hurt so much, And I was so mad, he said.

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Speaker 3: All I wanted to do. Once I got on first

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Speaker 3: base and there was only one out, he said, I

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Speaker 3: was just praying that we had a double play situation.

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Speaker 3: So he's hoping that his own teammate hits the ball

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Speaker 3: so he can potentially go in and crush the shortstop

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Speaker 3: or the second baseman as revenge for them hitting him

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Speaker 3: on purpose. So as it goes ground ball of the

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Speaker 3: shortstop and McLennan goes, oh my god, he's running the

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Speaker 3: second and he's a big man by the way. He goes, great,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna kill Samberg. I'm gonna kill he like Ryan Sandberg.

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Speaker 3: But that wasn't the point. I'm gonna kill him. And

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Speaker 3: he gets like three feet from the bag and he goes,

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Speaker 3: I got him, I got him, I got him, And

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Speaker 3: then he said and then Sandberg disappeared. So what he

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Speaker 3: did was he caught the ball, he avoided the runner,

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Speaker 3: which requires tremendous footwork and tremendous skill, and completed the

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Speaker 3: double play. When we took that play out of the game, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: you're not allowed to hit the shortstop of the second baseman.

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Speaker 3: Now we reward terrible footwork at second base, and the

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Speaker 3: artistry and the skill of say Ozzy Smith at shortstop

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Speaker 3: and Ryan Samberg at second is now gone because you

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00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: don't have to have great footwork, but it is an

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Speaker 3: art to be able to to make the double play

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Speaker 3: and avoid that runner who is there to crush your bones.

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Speaker 3: Nobody at second base was better at that than Ryan

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Speaker 3: Samper Dad.

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Speaker 1: Who would you say is the greatest number twenty four

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Speaker 1: of all time?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, we're doing two this week because Willy Mays

650
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: is just too easy at number twenty four. As I've

651
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: told you, Jeff, he is the greatest player that I've

652
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: ever seen, and sho heeo Tani is the most remarkable

653
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: player that I've ever seen. But Willie Mays, you know,

654
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: with the gold gloves and six hundred and sixty home runs.

655
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: Never forget Jeff. When he came in in nineteen fifty one,

656
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: the game had never seen a combination of power, speed

657
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: and defense like Willie Mays presented. And I believe seventy

658
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 3: four years later, he is still the greatest combination of power,

659
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: speed and defense ever to play this game. And I'll

660
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: never forget asking. I wrote Willie mays ninetieth Birthday story

661
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: for ESPN dot Com one of my favorite stories I've

662
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: ever written, because I just called people and said, give

663
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 3: me your favorite Willie Mays story. So this wasn't a story,

664
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: but I said to Johnny Bench, explain Willie Mays, and

665
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: he goes. He was magical, he was perfect. There was

666
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: nothing that Willy Mays couldn't do on the baseball field.

667
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 3: He is the greatest number twenty four of all time.

668
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: And we move on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean you've got to think about who

670
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: we're passing up on, and I think it's the right decision.

671
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson, Ken Griffy Junior, right, yel Caberera. I mean,

672
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm not making an argument. I'm just saying number twenty

673
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: four is stacked. So for Willy Mays to be that

674
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: much better than those guys, which he was, it speaks

675
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: volumes to just how.

676
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Great of a player he was in his prime.

677
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: All right, dad, best of all tim Now, yesterday we

678
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: had Dan Lebotard on the podcast. We also did a

679
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: live stream with Dan LeBatard and friends and had.

680
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: An absolute blast last night.

681
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: You can see more on their YouTube channel and we'll

682
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: post it up on our website, Great Game or what

683
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: dot com but in honor of our guests, which we've

684
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: been doing a lot lately, I like that we keep

685
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: the best of all tim picking the best player in

686
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: each organization based upon kind of the guests. So we

687
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: did the Orioles when we had Cawerupken Jr.

688
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: And his son on.

689
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: Now we're doing the Marlins because well, Dan Levatard's and

690
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: Marlins guys in Miami.

691
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: Guy right. So for me, and again these are all

692
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: my opinions, not anybody else's. If you have a better

693
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: choice than mine, we'd love to hear it. But I'm

694
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: going with Junk Carlos Stanton as the greatest Marlin ever.

695
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: He spent eight years there. He won an MVP there

696
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. He had fifty nine home runs that year.

697
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 3: He had two hundred and sixty seven homers for the Marlins,

698
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: and in a lot of ways he you know, even

699
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: though they won two championships without him, they he put

700
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: them on the map. So John Carlos stant was an

701
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: amazing hitter for them, an amazing athlete at one point, Jeff.

702
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 3: Now you see he doesn't run very well anymore. He's

703
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 3: in his mid thirties. His body has betrayed him, but

704
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: at one point in his life he could run like

705
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: the win and was the strongest player in the game.

706
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: As Greg Dobbs, one of his teammates, told me once,

707
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: he said, uh, he hit the genetic jackpot with as

708
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 3: big as he was. So so I once asked juhnk

709
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: Carlo Stan, I said, is your dad really really big?

710
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 3: And he goes, no, he's you know, he's like five

711
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: to eleven, and you know he's not that big. And

712
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: one of his teammates saw this guy trailing junk Carlo

713
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: standing around quite a bit during a homestand and he

714
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: said to John Carlow, who is that guy that's following

715
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: you around? Is that just some sycophant? And John Carlos

716
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: Stan said, no, that's my dad. So that's how little

717
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: his father looks like him. Stanton is six', five you,

718
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: know two forty five or whatever the heck he. Is

719
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: so years, ago The yankees had like a basketball team

720
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 3: on the baseball, team you, Know Aaron judge six seven Cc.

721
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: Sabathia SO i came up with the All basketball team

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00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: out of The New York, yankees AND i read it

723
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: on the air one night And STANTON i told him

724
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: that he was the shooting guard since he's only six foot,

725
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: five the shooting guard on The yankees team because they

726
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: Had Delan buttanss And Aaron judge AND Cc sabathia who

727
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: were playing. Upfront and he looks at me and he

728
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: was almost. Insulted he, goes shooting. GUARD i am a

729
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: better rebounder Than Charles barkley Is that's what he told.

730
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: Me and he was, kidding but he was trying to

731
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: say That Charles, barkley who was like six', six tops

732
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: is one of the great short rebounders in the history of.

733
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: The Sport But John carlos STANTON said i was a

734
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: better Rebounder Than. CHARLES barkley i should, be upfront not the.

735
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: SHOOTING guard i.

736
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: Will never get.

737
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: Over That, charles barkley, true statement is one of the

738
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: great short rebounders of all time at six. Six, right

739
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: well we met him in a Hotel in cleveland back

740
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: During The World series Cleveland, against chicago and that pictured

741
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: ad will still be one of my all time. Favorite

742
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: photos as YOU and i Standing With charles barkley in.

743
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: The middle we have never looked more out of place

744
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: than we did.

745
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: It back one a night that Was. With charles remember

746
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: you were working For the cleveland radio station and just

747
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: you needed just a couple of sound Bites From, charles

748
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: BARKLEY which i still. Can't believe you asked him to

749
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: do this in the middle of, a bar but he

750
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: was more than happy to. Do it and you, asked,

751
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: him like what's the most number of pieces of pizza

752
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: you've eaten in? One sitting, you know what's your favorite movie?

753
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: Or whatever and he answered. Them all so the, Next,

754
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: DAY jeff i DON'T think i told. You this the

755
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: NEXT day I Saw charles barkley and he had never

756
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: met you before in, his LIFE and i had only

757
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 3: met him once in my. Whole life so he sees

758
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: me the, next day he gives me a, big hug

759
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: and he says, to Me did jeff use those things

760
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: on the? Air today he remembered your name the, next

761
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: Day and i'll never Forget asking charles, That night like,

762
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 3: you know he was signing every autograph and taking pictures

763
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: with every knucklehead that came through. That BAR and, I,

764
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 3: said charles why do you? Do this and, he, goes

765
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: look if they're gonna pay, you whatever it was fourteen

766
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: million dollars. A year you need to do more than

767
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: play forty eight minutes. A game you need to do

768
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: more for the people. AROUND you i never, forgot THAT

769
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: and i think it was a very cool thing for

770
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: him to. Look at if you're gonna be famous and

771
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: you're gonna, be great you should get back to people

772
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: once in. A while i think we.

773
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: Need To Get charles barkley as. A guest YOU and

774
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: i have discussed that we need to get. Him on

775
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: so can you start working on that?

776
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: For? Me dad, All, right jeff you've gotten two guests

777
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: in two years on, this show and now you're yelling

778
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: at me to try To Get charles barkley on. The

779
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: show jeff is. A joke i will work On Getting

780
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: charles barkley on. THE show i would love to talk

781
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: to him. ABOUT baseball i have to talk about BASKETBALL

782
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: because i love basketball also, a right, All right i'm working.

783
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: On it i'm working, on it, All.

784
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: RIGHT dad i am a seam. Head today tell us

785
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: a little bit about who we're. Bringing In.

786
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: Steve, Blomberg, Right so steve is a friend, of MINE

787
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: and i asked him because he's a lunatic. Baseball fan

788
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: and this is and there's so many of them, out

789
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: There so steve just goes Through he's he told me

790
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: he had about five different ways he could, have described

791
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: maybe more of why he is. The seamhead this is what, He,

792
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: Chose hi Tim.

793
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: And jeff This is Steve, from MARYLAND and i am a.

794
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 4: Proud seamhead there are so MANY reasons i, love baseball

795
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: but my number one is. The numbers the numbers in

796
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 4: baseball mean more than they do in any. Other sport

797
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: the numbers sometimes create situations that question how did? This happen,

798
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: for example one of my FAVORITE statistics i try to

799
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 4: Understand How bob gibson lost nine games in nineteen sixty

800
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 4: eight with a one point ONE. TWO era i Wonder

801
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: How bob Horner Or eugenio suarez can hit four home

802
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: runs in a game where their team. HAS lost i

803
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 4: wonder how we WENT from, ra wins strikeouts, IN, pitching

804
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 4: RBIs home runs and batting average baseball and now we're

805
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: looking at war batting average balls IN. Play fip all

806
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 4: those numbers, have meanings and most importantly about baseball compared to,

807
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 4: everybody else the numbers one hundred years ago have, meeting

808
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 4: today and the numbers we have today are great ways

809
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: to compare different eras of. The game no other sport can.

810
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 4: COME close i love BASEBALL and i love being a seam.

811
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: Head dad.

812
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: IT'S perfect, i mean we love GETTING these i am a.

813
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: Seamhead submissions you can Email me Jeff At great game

814
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: or what dot com in order to submit your voice.

815
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: Memo, today right.

816
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: And as Far As bob, gibson goes. You're right. He

817
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: lost steve's righty lost nine games in nineteen, sixty eight

818
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: the year of the pitcher with a one point one to. Two.

819
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: Er jeff he started thirty four games, that season and

820
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: he completed twenty eight. Of them think about that for.

821
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: A second and in these six games that he came

822
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: out of so he didn't pitch a, complete game he

823
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: was always taken out for a pinch hitter in the

824
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: middle of. An inning so not once that year did

825
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: The Manager red chandy's come to the mound and take

826
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: the ball out in the middle of. An inning, you

827
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 3: know there were times they had to hit for him because,

828
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: we're behind it's the bottom of the eighth. Or whatever

829
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: Even Though bob gibson was a great. Hitting pitcher but

830
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: think about that for a second thirty four starts and

831
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: not once did the manager come out and take you

832
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: out of.

833
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: The, Game, well dad that wraps up.

834
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: Today's show, next week we're going to be Looking down

835
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: Fourth of, july week which is so Exciting because friday

836
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: will be the Fourth of july a week, from tomorrow

837
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: which is, really, Exciting.

838
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: Right and we Will Have, ron Darling former met played

839
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: on the eighty Six, championship mets and he was involved

840
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: In the, july fourth nineteen eighty, five game maybe the

841
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: craziest Game In major. League history and he's gonna tell

842
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: us all about that ridiculous nineteen inning game that had

843
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: a million different. Layers, too well that's what's.

844
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: Coming up next week here on is is a great game?

845
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: Or what thank you so much, for listening and, as

846
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: always thank you for being a part of.

847
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: Our family