1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: The Action Network Podcast. I'm just about that action also. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: All right, here we go from the test throwing out 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: so spect we're saying it's a cash touchdown. That's all 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: we see. Most gamblers when they go to gamble, they 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: go to win. That's incredible. Big bank, small bank. 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: I like to make money. 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: All right, this is the ultimate combine if you want to. 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: And we are underway. 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast, presented by bet MGM. 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: I'm Jill Colant. I'm joined by Evan Abrams and Evan 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: our final recap show of the year. But we did 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: just watch Super Bowl fifty eight turned out to be 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: a pretty good Super Bowl. Overhauled Chiefs defeat the Niners 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: twenty five to twenty two. We are going to dive 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: into what we just saw, recap what the hell just 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: happened in the second overtime game in Super Bowl history. 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, despite the Chiefs winning, did not score a 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: touchdown in this game. Chiefs went twenty five to twenty two, 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: and we may be witnessing Evan now a dynasty with 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: the Chiefs back to back Super Bowls for the first 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: time since that Patriots run back in three to four 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: and I mean, what a redemption story for Mkole Hartman 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: of all people, because first off, just the fact that 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: he was twelve to one to score a touchdown, but 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: he scores the game winning touchdown in a Super Bowl, 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: and his touchdown actually put the game over the total 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: depending on when you had bet it, because it was 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: forty seven and a half and then it closed at 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: forty six and a half. That touchdown sends the game 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: over the total. Evan, what's your first reaction seeing the 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: Chiefs win back to back Super Bowls? 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: It's a great summary. I would say watching the first half, 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: you felt good if you were a forty nine ers better, 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: but really scared because the aim probably should have been 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: more out of hand. There should have been more points. 36 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: On San Francisco side, there probably should have been a 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: bigger lead at halftime. And on the other side, I 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: think coming out of the half, you felt like Kansas 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: City could really make a move at any point, and 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: then Deebo gets hurt, and I think most people thought, Okay, well, 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: if there's no debo, we've seen this movie before, right, like, 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: this is exactly the San Francisco team. We thought, he 43 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: comes back, but again, San Francisco didn't score a ton 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: of points when I thought they probably should have had 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: more opportunities to put points on the board, ending up 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: with twenty two. When they ended up scoring twelve in 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter in overtime, you know, just oh, I'm sorry, Yeah, 48 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: twelve in the fourth quarter in overtime. So, to me, 49 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: the probably one of the more impressive runs we've seen 50 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 2: from a team when Kansas City was underdogs in divisional round, 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: underdogs in the conference championship beats his San Francisco team. 52 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna look back and say, how the 53 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: heck was Patrick Mahomes an underdog and all these games? 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: This feels absolutely ridiculous, And even with a ten point 55 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: deficit tonight still felt kind of ridiculous. I tweeted the 56 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: stat before, but since twenty nineteen, the Chiefs are now 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: five and one in playoff games when trailing by ten 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: plus points at any other point at any point in 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: the game. Every other team is six and forty eight. 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's literally incredible stat It's literally just 61 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: magic at this point. Now, I think what makes it 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: even more magical is you look at the box score. 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes was nine for sixty six on the ground 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: in this game. He legitimately took this game over and 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: won it himself on the scramble that they needed on 66 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: fourth down, big sixty six yards in this game, and 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: on top of that throw for three thirty three now 68 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: overtime aside, We get it. But I don't have much 69 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: much else to say except you kind of have to 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: just clap at the performance. Now, even with MVS trying 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: to almost throw the game in overtime and putting them 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: and putting them in a opposite position, Mahomes puts his 73 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: hand on his head. He couldn't believe what had happened, 74 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: and we still sit here with the Chiefs two final. 75 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: I'm loving that you brought up the Mahomes running the 76 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: ball angle though, Evan though, because nine rushes for sixty 77 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: six yards. We talk about this all the time in 78 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: the anytime touchdown market that we know he has the 79 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: capability to do this. Just a lot of the time 80 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't go for it and ends up finishing the 81 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: regular season and the playoffs with no rushing touchdowns. But 82 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought up the first half because 83 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: the first half, if you would just use that as 84 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: to sample size, what we were going to see in 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: this game pretty big slog. I mean, it reminded me 86 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: a lot, honestly, evan of Patriots rams from a few 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: years ago where we saw one offensive touchdown in the game, 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: or even echoes of Panthers Broncos that had the most 89 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: punts ever in a Super Bowl and the Chiefs. I 90 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: think the one thing that I was going to say 91 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: that I really worried about the Chiefs where I was 92 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: midway through the game was that end of the first 93 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: half and then to start the second half, because they 94 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: should have probably walked away with seven in that at 95 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: the end of the half, ended up settling for a 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 1: field goal, and then start the second half with the ball, 97 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: end up throwing an interception. And a lot of turnovers 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: in this game too that really were affecting the total. 99 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: You saw the early fumble by Christian McCaffrey where I 100 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: thought the Niners were driving down the field, they were 101 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: going to score a touchdown on that opening drive like 102 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: they had done in ten of nineteen games already this year, 103 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 1: and then Pacheco turns around and he gets a fumble, 104 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: and I pretty much once that happened, I was like, 105 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: you could pretty much eliminate running back from winning MVP 106 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: in this game. But yeah, I felt like Kansas City 107 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: was pretty much I mean, I gotta say it. They 108 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: I thought they looked outplayed in the first half and 109 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: a lot of the third quarter. But the fact that 110 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: they were still within striking distance and only within ten 111 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: to three, that was the one part that you're talking 112 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: about where if you were a Niners touchdown or Niners 113 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: spreadbatter rather, I would have been just shaken in my 114 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: boots knowing that Patrick Mahomes is on the other side 115 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: and it's only a one possession game. 116 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 2: We had said this before, if you had bet the 117 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: Chiefs entering the game, you were going to feel good 118 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: if they were winning, you were gonna feel good if 119 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: the game was tied, and you were still probably gonna 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: feel good if they were down ten points. And that 121 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 2: is exactly to the t what ended up coming to 122 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: fruition in this game, because if you were if you 123 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: had San Francisco and they were trailing, yeah, they've come 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: back in two straight games, but I'm not sure you 125 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: were going to feel comfortable in this one. And it 126 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: never really mattered in that case. But you know, Kansas 127 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: City did exactly what they needed to do, and they 128 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: figured out exactly the way. And the one thing that 129 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: was great was obviously Kelsey one yard in the first 130 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: half ends up finishing nine of ninety three. In ten years, 131 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: we'll look back and say, oh, just another great Travis 132 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: Kelcey game. But I mean it took the last play 133 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: to force overtime for him to go over his PROPM. 134 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: But how about the kickers in this game? Though? The kickers? 135 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: So I took a kicker to miss a field goal 136 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: at plus one twenty, like I thought I was being 137 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: DJ about it. I thought, you know, okay, Moody had 138 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: missed a field goal in both playoff games. Harrison Bucker 139 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: missed a field goal last year in the Super Bowl, 140 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: and we're seeing arguably some of the best kicking performances 141 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl we've ever seen. Moody goes on it, 142 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: hit a fifty five yard of breaking the Super Bowl record, 143 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: and then Harrison Bucker answers him right back with another 144 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: fifty seven yard or two fifty plus yard field goals 145 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. That was again the longest Super 146 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: Bowl that we A field goal that we had seen 147 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl was back since like nineteen ninety two, 148 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: when like Steve Christy with the Bills was hitting one right. So, 149 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean just unreal kicking in this game, and some 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: of those periphery players like you talk about Marcus Veldez Scandling. 151 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: I thought for sure that he was got forward progress 152 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: on that play, and then once I saw that they 153 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: were now losing four yards as a result, I was 154 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: very worried for the Chiefs prospects in that scenario, even 155 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: though we knew that Patrick Mahomes could be magic on 156 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: the other side. 157 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: I felt really bad. I saw Matt Mitchell, obviously our 158 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: audio producer here at Action Network. I think he had 159 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: some Butcker and Moody MVP tickets at different points in 160 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: this game. Both of those kickers look decent. There was 161 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 2: no miskicks for a little one until the extra point, 162 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: but lots of field goals all over the place. The 163 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: one fun nugget that we can now say, with the 164 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: game technically going over the forty six and a half 165 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: in overtime is that Super Bowl overs are. Super Bowl 166 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: totals are now twenty eight to twenty eight and one, 167 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: with no total in Super Bowl one, so exactly even 168 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: entering Super Bowl fifty nine next year, and with the 169 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: underdog covering, they're now two games above five hundred, so 170 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: tight all around. And just if you look at the Chiefs, 171 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: I would say, it's pretty crazy that we haven't seen 172 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: a back to backer in what since two thousand and three, 173 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: two thousand and four with New England. But to me, 174 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: you're gonna look back at this one and say to yourself, 175 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: the Chiefs were the first team in Super Bowl history 176 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: to win back to back titles, both as underdogs in 177 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: the game. 178 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I was glad that you brought that up. 179 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: I was glad that you brought that up, because when 180 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: we look back at the game logs, and you know, 181 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: we use bet Labs, we'll look back through the what 182 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: the ats closing total or closing spread was the fact 183 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: that Mahomes all the way to the Super Bowl winning 184 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: it was an underdog for three straight playoff games and 185 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: is able to come out with that again, I think 186 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: that speaks to the Chiefs greatness and Patrick Mahomes in general. 187 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: The fact that now back to back Super Bowls within 188 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: a field goal. Let's not pretend like he was like 189 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: a touchdown underdog here. But at the same time, you know, 190 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: he was within a field goal at the same time, 191 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: and the fact that I saw a lot of people 192 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: on the Niners this week and a lot of people 193 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: just saying, you know what, Mahomes magic whatever. I know 194 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: what I saw during the regular season, there's no way 195 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: that they're going to be able to pull this off. 196 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: And once the second half started, it looked like it 197 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: was on for the Chiefs where they just became a 198 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: different team, because again, if you use the first half 199 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: in the second half, usually it's the second half where 200 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: the Chiefs kind of start to trail off because they 201 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: were bottom five in points per game in the second half, 202 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: along with being top five actually first in the NFL 203 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: and points per game allowed in the second half. Obviously, 204 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: that flip troop flipped because going into this game we 205 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: were looking at an eighteen to two run where the 206 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: Chiefs were going under their second half total. Not so 207 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: much in this game. But I think Travis Kelce, I 208 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: think obviously he wasn't gonna win MVP in this game, 209 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: but I think you really hit the nail on the 210 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: head about how much of an impact he made in 211 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: the second half. Because we talk about how much Patrick 212 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: Mahomes with his legs. He went right back to Travis 213 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: Kelcey had seven catches in eighty five yards just in 214 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: the second half, and then another catch there in overtime. 215 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily envisioning a Travis Kelcey retirement tour or 216 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: anything like that anytime soon. But going into next year, 217 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the Super Bowl fifty nine 218 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: odds here, but right now, but entering this game, the 219 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: Niners were the favorite to win Super Bowl fifty nine. 220 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: I don't know enough of it can be said about this, Evan, 221 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: But can we ever really make the Chiefs an underdog 222 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: in the playoffs again? Of course, like obviously there are 223 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: circumstances like maybe they're missing their best players, or Patrick 224 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: Mahomes isn't playing or whatever, But at this stage, now, 225 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: with such a sample size of him being put in 226 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: this situation where he's an underdog, I really just can't 227 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: see anybody in the betting space being able to make 228 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: a justifiable case about why they're going to fade Patrick Mahomes. 229 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, no point in even having that conversation, 230 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: I think at this point, after winning three straight times 231 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: as underdogs and doing factly what he did this year 232 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: with the receiving corps and the adversity and the loss 233 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: of the rail. I mean, there's so many different points, 234 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: even looking at it like this, right they are the first. 235 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: So the Chiefs were the seventh preseason Superrul odds favorite 236 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: to lose outright in Week one. They're now just the 237 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: second to win at all. So at many different points 238 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 2: this entire season we doubted Mahomes and he came back 239 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: in one. I don't think there's a point in doubting 240 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: him going into next year. But I do think there's 241 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: probably a few bets or some interesting odds that would 242 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: lead you in certain directions. And now I've said this before, 243 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 2: and I believe it's the reason that Chad Millman took 244 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: forty nine Ers and Chiefs to play in this game. 245 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 2: Today is that ten of the last eleven Super Bowl 246 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: champs now twelve to one or shorter in the preseason 247 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: because both teams are short going into this year. So 248 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: right now, that would probably tell you there's only six 249 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: or seven teams that even fit that bill for next year. 250 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: If you think that ten years, that would be the Bengals, Cowboys, Bills, Lions, Ravens, 251 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: Chiefs and forty nine ers. Now, of course there could 252 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: be a long shot. But if you're looking at odds 253 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: and looking at history, you know those might be the teams. 254 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: And I think somebody might tell you that if T. 255 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: Higgins comes back, the Bengals might be prime for a 256 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: decent opportunity. Also, considering believe they have a last place schedule. 257 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: So all those things together, maybe Cincinnati's worth a flyer. 258 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, interesting. 259 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: Nonetheless, this podcast is probably presented by Bett MGM use 260 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: bonus code action when signing up to get one hundred 261 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: and fifty eight dollars in bonus bets when you bet 262 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: five dollars for new users in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, 263 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming. 264 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: Terms of conditions apply. Must be twenty one hour older. 265 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: Gambling problem called what a hundreds Gambler? Before we talk 266 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: about Super Bowl fifty nine, though, Evan, I wanted to 267 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: ask you about Super Bowl losers and generally what their 268 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: track record is after not being able to win the 269 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: Big One and then coming into next year kind of 270 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: how they perform from it. Against the spread standpoint, San 271 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Francisco is obviously going to be playing a first place schedule, 272 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: but has legitimate talent. But we've seen throughout even just 273 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: this year, where some of their spreads are maybe skewed 274 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: a little bit higher because of how well they maybe 275 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: beat down on certain teams. Wondering how this could apply 276 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: to the Niners and maybe how we maybe bet them 277 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: going forward going into next year with what we know. 278 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'd have to take a look at 279 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: the win total results because I think there'd probably be 280 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: a separate conversation and something. 281 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Probably right at the top of the NFC again too. 282 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the win total conversation, and probably a conversation more 283 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: about what those teams who lost Super Bowls maybe did 284 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: in the first four weeks of the regular season. But overall, 285 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: the trend since two thousand five and nineteen in Week 286 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: one last two years split one in one, but it's 287 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: something that everyone talks about. So five and nineteen against 288 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: a spread, not great history not on their side at 289 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: least to start early. Is it a little bit of noise? Probably? 290 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: Do I think that team might be a little bit 291 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: inflated in that first week maybe a point two points, 292 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: depending on the situation. Possibly, And you would also assume 293 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: that a bunch of the forty nine ers probably back, 294 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: probably a similar type roster. I mean, they were in 295 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: this game, they were up ten points, played pretty well, 296 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: you assume pretty still the starter. So all those things together, Yeah, 297 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: probably the situation. 298 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we could both agree that from 299 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: an NFC conference standpoint, the Niners are going to be 300 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: right back there, likely, especially given their cap situation and 301 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: all the people they're bringing back. But now starting to 302 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: look at Super Bowl fifty nine and already looking at 303 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: those futures' odds, one of the teams that they played 304 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: during their playoff run, the Niners, I'm kind of interested 305 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: in the Green Bay Pass right now around twenty two 306 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: to one. I honestly not think that this isn't me 307 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: trying to disparage the Lions. This is me more trying 308 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: to say that I felt like the Packers played the 309 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: Lions pretty well, especially in that Thanksgiving game. I don't 310 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: feel like, from an NFC North standpoint, like the Vikings 311 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: or Bears are enough of a challenge where the Packers 312 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: couldn't necessarily take them down. They have a great young 313 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: roster with depth an emerging quarterback at twenty two to one, 314 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: not the worst value that you could look at in 315 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: the NFC, but the team that I've been really looking at, 316 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: and they're in a bit of a quarterback maybe controversy 317 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: because their quarterback just one comeback player of the year, 318 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: but their other actual quarterback is the highest paid quarterback 319 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL with all this guaranteed money into Sean Watson. 320 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: But the reason why I'm considering the Cleveland Browns at 321 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: forty to one, they are still returning a majority of 322 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: that top rated defense. Now. I know what we kind 323 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: of shit on their defense about how their defense didn't 324 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: necessarily travel like you think of that Colts game or 325 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: even just against the Texans, but I thought their defense 326 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: still performed pretty well. It is maybe just not a 327 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: great matchup for them against the Texans. Around forty to 328 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: one when you know that you're getting a top three 329 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: defense in the NFL, I don't think it's a horrible price, 330 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: especially considering the Bengals they're around fourteen to one, but 331 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: that cap crunch is coming for them now. Higgins, like 332 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: you just mentioned, he may be gone. If I had 333 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: to tell you that the Browns are at forty to 334 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: one and the Packers are at twenty two to one. 335 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: Do those tickle your fancy? Is there another team that 336 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: maybe you're looking at for Super Bowl fifty nine? 337 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: Oh, Brown's a fun one. I see even in the 338 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: fifty range at a certain books. So I have no 339 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: issue with the Browns. I like the Browns entering this season. 340 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: So if you're going to turn around and say, maybe 341 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: they improve some things, maybe they get some you know, 342 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: some health luck when you think about the fact that 343 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 2: four quarterbacks won them the game this year. So yeah, 344 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I have no issue with Cleveland. I think 345 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: fifty to one is probably a good price, especially with 346 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: that defense, long offseason ahead. But yeah, Cincinnati at fifteen, 347 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: Cleveland at fifty, and if I look quickly, Steelers at 348 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: one hundred, I do think that Cleveland offers some good value. 349 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: I even look here, I mean, Miami at twenty feels 350 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: a tad out priced considering I like teams that like listen, 351 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: if they were going to have to play a cold 352 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: playoff game again next year, I at least could say 353 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: to myself, they just went through four quarters of an 354 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: absolute horrific situation. Maybe McDaniel had learned something to play 355 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: a better game, so there is a sense of experience there. 356 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: So twenty might feel a little long. If you know, 357 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 2: Buffalo takes a step back when they did this year. 358 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: They got lucky to probably win that division. So Miami 359 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: at twenty field of tad long. 360 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: Well and statistically they were still top rushing offense, top 361 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: passing offense, top five points per game, like and you 362 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: know that what you're getting from an offensive standpoint, but 363 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: you've made the point very clearly, like can that defense 364 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: and offense travel? And that's really been the question about 365 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: Miami and to a tech of Biola really in general. 366 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: The only other reason why I'm trying to stay away 367 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: from the AFC teams though, Evan just because of the 368 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: gauntlet and trying to avoid a Patrick Mahomes side of things. 369 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: But the only other team that I would consider because 370 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: I still feel like they were maybe even better than 371 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: the Lions, and I think they would have gave the 372 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: Niners some run. I still can't just overlook the Rams 373 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: around thirty three to one, maybe even plus four thousand, 374 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: just because again, when you know that you've got a 375 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: quarterback and just that offensive attack, and I do feel 376 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: like that team could play an outdoors environment at thirty 377 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: three to one. Again in the NFC, that's kind of 378 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: the teams that I'm trying to look for, is those 379 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: long shots there more so than the AFC. But again, 380 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: in the AFC, I think you're either looking at I 381 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: think you're looking in the AFC North, I think you're 382 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: looking at the Browns. You're looking at the Bengals. You're 383 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: wondering if maybe can you pick it finally takes a 384 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: boot and maybe you finally get a half decent quarterback 385 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh again. But yeah, I think right now there's 386 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: still not a lot of value at this stage to 387 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: want to bet on Nights State the Chiefs to repeat, 388 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: or even looking at like a Bills team or even 389 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens for that matter. 390 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: I'm a sucker as well for Atlanta. I was a 391 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: sucker last year, and I also kind of I'm a 392 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: sucker for a team new head coach, great weapons, and 393 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: you also don't have a quarterback. So when there's a 394 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: question mark at the quarterback position and the quarterback is 395 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: just so valuable in the sport, I tend to try 396 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: to project who could be the quarterback on a few 397 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: of these teams that have like a good situation. So Atlanta, 398 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: I'm looking at fifty. If you could find sixty, I'm 399 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: sure you count a different places kind of intriguing. And 400 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 2: I would also say the Colts, I was such an 401 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: anti Minshew Dolf so long. But you can move Richardson 402 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: back in that slot if he's healthier, I guess could 403 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 2: be intriguing. So that would be something to look at. 404 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: Well, you take the Midshew chaos out of the equation. 405 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: Do that, And I think that was the big thing 406 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: that was always kind of holding you back of like 407 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: id no, no, I'm not gonna listen. 408 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: The Bears have better. I was been a super Bowl 409 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: in the Browns right now. I think that in itself 410 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 2: feels a little a little mispriced in terms. 411 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: Of especially because especially because there, I mean, there have 412 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: been rumors and rubblings. It's I don't know if it's 413 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: actually gonna happen, but the idea that like Justin Fields 414 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: could go to Atlanta or something like that, or at 415 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: least you're betting on the idea of a quarterback coming 416 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: and improving the situation. I will say from experience, I 417 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: thought that was a good idea when I did it 418 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: with the Jets last year or just this past offseason, 419 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: and uh, that was over in five plays. So hopefully 420 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: that isn't the case when we're betting Atlanta for futures. 421 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: But obviously when you're betting on a thirty nine year 422 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: old quarterback to not tear's achilles, you know some things 423 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: may happen, right, So, so that is the Super Bowl, Evan, Evan, 424 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: I think we had a great time this year. 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