Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky, Hey Joky, I'm
Speaker 1: really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, and I ghosted.
Speaker 1: As Nanda's police. Hey boo, it's me Ras and welcome
Speaker 1: to Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk
Speaker 1: to people that I like about the paranormal. This week,
Speaker 1: I am joined by one of my favorite people in
Speaker 1: the whole wide world, someone who really doesn't need an introduction,
Speaker 1: even though I do give her one. Karen Kilgeriff is
Speaker 1: back on the show. Before we get to that, I
Speaker 1: was looking through my email and I found this story
Speaker 1: that isn't really that spooky, but whatever, we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta go over this one. Okay, this one comes from Abigail.
Speaker 1: Abigail writes Hi Roz about a year ago, my boyfriend
Speaker 1: and I were traveling to San Diego for a conference.
Speaker 1: The conference took place at the Hotel del Coronado, which
Speaker 1: is notorious for being haunted by quote beautiful stranger Kate Morgan.
Speaker 1: This was fascinating to me, so I listened to a
Speaker 1: few podcasts and read about Kate. In short, she showed
Speaker 1: up at the hotel used in alias and stayed in
Speaker 1: her room for days before allegedly dying by suicide on
Speaker 1: the staircase. Her stay and her death were both suspicious.
Speaker 1: Our room was booked by the organization hosting the conference,
Speaker 1: so we didn't know where we were staying until we arrived.
Speaker 1: We picked up our key and headed to our room,
Speaker 1: and just before we got there, I stopped him. I
Speaker 1: googled Kate's room number and it was the room we
Speaker 1: were staying in. After we went in, I made a
Speaker 1: statement about how we were just there to visit, that
Speaker 1: we didn't mean any harm and we would be respectful.
Speaker 1: I also asked her not to do anything on Thursday
Speaker 1: morning because I had to take a test in the room.
Speaker 1: If Kate was there with us, she was a fabulous
Speaker 1: hostess because we didn't have any paranormal experiences. What we
Speaker 1: did have, however, was a lot of other hotel guests
Speaker 1: showing up at all hours of the night to talk
Speaker 1: to Kate. For the most part, it was harmless. People
Speaker 1: would knock on the doors repeatedly, and sometimes my boyfriend
Speaker 1: would knock back for fun. Another time, we were making
Speaker 1: small talk with a family and the elevator, and when
Speaker 1: we shared that we were in the haunted room. The
Speaker 1: dad asked if he could come in and see it.
Speaker 1: His wife reminded him that that was an odd request.
Speaker 1: The weirdest encounter was when a seemingly drunk dad and
Speaker 1: his children showed up and banged on our door for
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. They tried to look through the peep hole,
Speaker 1: and they were trying to unlock the door. The dad
Speaker 1: kept talking directly to Kate about her death see attached recordings.
Speaker 1: In hindsight, I would have opened the door or asked
Speaker 1: them to leave, but I really didn't even want to
Speaker 1: deal with that. Thanks Abby, and now Abby did include
Speaker 1: some recordings that I don't know if they would play
Speaker 1: necessarily as well on the podcast, so I won't. I
Speaker 1: won't include them here. But I did watch the videos,
Speaker 1: and there is indeed a drunk dad talking through the
Speaker 1: door to the ghost. And I love that your boyfriend
Speaker 1: knocked back, because, oh my god, that is where I
Speaker 1: would have started. If it me, I would have been
Speaker 1: on the other side of that door. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I would have been like, if you slip a twenty
Speaker 1: under the door, I won't haunt you tonight, or like something,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I would have tried to.
Speaker 1: I would have tried to make money on of it.
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, but that is so
Speaker 1: funny and strange that that happened. That is a very
Speaker 1: iconic resort that I have stayed at before, and I
Speaker 1: have gone looking for the ghost of Kate and have
Speaker 1: not encountered her. But it's a very famous story here
Speaker 1: in California and I've stayed there before. It's when the
Speaker 1: movie Some like it hot as well with Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1: It's a great place. People should check it out, but
Speaker 1: don't bother because people actually do sleep in those rooms.
Speaker 1: Don't be weird. Oh and one other thing, how could
Speaker 1: I forget this? I have a very exciting announcement in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles on my March fifth, twenty twenty four. I
Speaker 1: am going to be doing a live show, Honey, a
Speaker 1: live ghosted recorded in front of a studio audience. And
Speaker 1: this is going to be the biggest one I have
Speaker 1: ever had. It's going to be in a larger space
Speaker 1: than I've ever done Largo at the Coronet Theater in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, which is such an iconic place. I love
Speaker 1: performing there and from talking to some staff members, they
Speaker 1: have told me that it is believed that the place
Speaker 1: is haunted. It has quite the history. So I will
Speaker 1: be on stage with some celebrity guests, some favorites of yours.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking spooky dolls. We're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: some psychic gee kind of stuff. I have a lot
Speaker 1: up my sleeve for this one, so please come to
Speaker 1: the show. I have got a link in my bio
Speaker 1: on Instagram at r Hernandez, or you can just go
Speaker 1: to Largo's website, which is Largo Dashla dot com. I'll
Speaker 1: see you there anyway. Here's another conversation between me and
Speaker 1: the iconic Karen Kilgariff. I'm with the show, all right,
Speaker 1: everybody be cool. The boss is here. I am joined
Speaker 1: today by podcasting icon and executive producer of this very podcast.
Speaker 1: Actually you know her from my favorite Murder and do
Speaker 1: you need a ride? It is Karen Kilgareff.
Speaker 3: Rus How are you hi?
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back?
Speaker 3: Were you waiting for a whole song? I wanted to
Speaker 3: do a little like opening moment.
Speaker 1: Well, often when I think of you, I think of
Speaker 1: how beautiful you're singing voices. People know it from the
Speaker 1: theme songs of the podcasts that you're on told you
Speaker 1: this before. I'm obsessed with your live album. I love it.
Speaker 3: Thank you Rush.
Speaker 1: Your voice is gorgeous and I think you're hilarious.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I think a worthwhile thing to say
Speaker 3: on the back of that compliment. I did not want
Speaker 3: to do that album. I was very scared to do it,
Speaker 3: uh huh, and thought it was kind of a bad idea.
Speaker 3: And I remembered having met one time Elliott Smith at
Speaker 3: Largo in the early two thousands. He came on and
Speaker 3: was like the musical guest on a comedy show that
Speaker 3: me and Marilyn Rice cub did as the Girls Guitar Club,
Speaker 3: which was our first kind of version of playing music publicly,
Speaker 3: and we were terrible. And that was the whole bit
Speaker 3: is we don't know how to play the time we're
Speaker 3: going to do a concert anyway, Like he was friends
Speaker 3: with the owner whatever, agreed to come and do like
Speaker 3: three songs. There were no joke, like maybe twelve people
Speaker 3: in the audience at the most. My friend David Knowles
Speaker 3: was there, who I went to grammar school and high
Speaker 3: school with, and he was like, I can't believe I
Speaker 3: got to be here for this. That was the craziest
Speaker 3: experience of like a private Elliot Smith show essentially cool, right,
Speaker 3: And after the show, I remember standing there watching him
Speaker 3: talk about how much he hates his own singing voice,
Speaker 3: and I was like, you just enthralled, Like you made
Speaker 3: people in this room feel like they were lucky to
Speaker 3: be here and lucky to be alive. And you're not
Speaker 3: gonna take part in that in any way. You're gonna
Speaker 3: just always have to say no to that. Like it
Speaker 3: made me sad, but it also made me go, like,
Speaker 3: this is why they say, you know, Martha Grammer, whoever says,
Speaker 3: whatever you do, whatever you put out there, it's none
Speaker 3: of your business. Like, once it's out of you and
Speaker 3: people think this or that of it, just get away
Speaker 3: from that because you're the last person who can judge
Speaker 3: what you do. I took those two ideas, smash them
Speaker 3: together and was like, I'm going to make this record.
Speaker 3: I did, and I'm glad I did.
Speaker 1: Cool Karen, Yes, Rose. First question, Okay, what is ghosts?
Speaker 3: Webster's Dictionary defines ghosts as the plural of ghost.
Speaker 1: So you've been on the show before, You've told one
Speaker 1: of the most iconic ghost stories in the history of podcasting. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a good one. People go back and listen. It
Speaker 1: was recorded in early mid twenty twenty at some point.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what else was going on at that time,
Speaker 1: but you need to listen to the story. It's real good.
Speaker 1: But since then, I mean, have you had any other
Speaker 1: experiences of any sort?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess this is one, but there's no ghost hugging.
Speaker 3: I wasn't directly impacted. But my aunt Jean's house. It's
Speaker 3: just really funny because it's been in the family for
Speaker 3: a while. Some people bought it ten years ago, they
Speaker 3: sold it back. Now the family has it yain. It's
Speaker 3: very exciting and so we're there a lot more kind
Speaker 3: of redoing it. It's a fixer wrapper. So when I
Speaker 3: was twelve years old, my uncle Steve, who used to
Speaker 3: live there, died of a heart attack. And he was
Speaker 3: fifty years old. He was three years younger than me
Speaker 3: right now, Oh wow, and he just dropped dead. I mean,
Speaker 3: he smoked several packs of cigarettes to day. It was
Speaker 3: a very you know, mid seventies lifestyle. But it was
Speaker 3: of course incredibly shocking and like no one saw coming.
Speaker 3: And so when the natural generation came and like my
Speaker 3: cousin who had been out of town, came back to town,
Speaker 3: got married, started a family. His two toddlers, who were
Speaker 3: like you know, two and four, say, wouldn't go into
Speaker 3: the house. So they would always go and he would
Speaker 3: go up there to you know, see his mom and
Speaker 3: get stuff. They wouldn't go play in the front room.
Speaker 3: They sat on the front porch always and they didn't
Speaker 3: want to go inside. But it's just uncle Steve, I know.
Speaker 3: But they never knew.
Speaker 1: Him, right, Oh, so they're like, who's that man?
Speaker 3: They don't know who the man is. Also, then I
Speaker 3: guess my cousin found out the original house and it
Speaker 3: was like a little farmhouse on this property. The wife
Speaker 3: shot the husband in the house.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So it was just a very interesting thing because then
Speaker 3: I went out there one day by myself, and I
Speaker 3: thought I was going to record a podcast out there
Speaker 3: because I was staying with my dad. But I was like,
Speaker 3: I just need some quiet, so I'll go set up
Speaker 3: out there. Well suddenly the WiFi doesn't work. All everything
Speaker 3: kind of goes on. The Fritz and my dogs who
Speaker 3: are just like free to rome because it's like a
Speaker 3: big kind of a field next to a driveway or whatever.
Speaker 3: They were sitting on the front porch. They were waiting
Speaker 3: for me. They didn't want to be outside anymore, but
Speaker 3: they wouldn't come into the house, which I've never seen
Speaker 3: them do.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: There was just that kind of feeling of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is going to be a consideration, like if I
Speaker 3: stay out here, or if my sister and I stown
Speaker 3: or whatever, if everybody goes like, hey, let's have a
Speaker 3: slumber party. It's like, but also there could be a
Speaker 3: little bit of maybe some dark energy or just some
Speaker 3: trapped energy. We don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you think those people that bought the house and
Speaker 1: then sold it back, do you think that they probably
Speaker 1: had experiences with the ghosts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see how you couldn't because he's been
Speaker 3: there since nineteen eighty two. Wow. And my adult cousin
Speaker 3: said he's seen things like out of his peripheral vision,
Speaker 3: Like he's definitely had a bunch of experiences in that house.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I heard a lot of these stories with like a
Speaker 1: family member that sticks around. It's not like your stories
Speaker 1: of things are flying all the time and like it's
Speaker 1: not that, but like every once in a while, you
Speaker 1: get a little smell or a little a little what
Speaker 1: was that? Oh, it's uncle Steve. Like that's how the
Speaker 1: house I grew up in was my grandma. It would
Speaker 1: be like, oh, she's here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people feel things on the back of their neck
Speaker 3: or like a touch on their back, but no one's there.
Speaker 3: They're the only one there. There's that, but it is secondhand,
Speaker 3: so I can't personally verify. But it's the kind of
Speaker 3: thing where just like, well, it makes a lot of
Speaker 3: sense because he certainly had no intention of going anywhere.
Speaker 3: And right right, the piece of ghost theory that I
Speaker 3: like is that idea that we're all just energy and
Speaker 3: it's all energy exchange, and if your timeline is suddenly
Speaker 3: stopped and the energy is like spikes or whatever, I
Speaker 3: don't know, that piece of it makes sense to me totally,
Speaker 3: like energy left behind because that already happens, like human
Speaker 3: radiation kind of.
Speaker 1: Absolutely like yeah, where's that gonna go? And if you're
Speaker 1: like wait a second, I'm dead, like not yet, like no,
Speaker 1: this is my house, Yes, I'm gonna go go about
Speaker 1: my life. I don't know, I see it for sure.
Speaker 3: It makes sense. And also I think although my uncle
Speaker 3: Steve was a lovely human being and very fun and
Speaker 3: very great. He was one of those dads that was
Speaker 3: absentee for his kids. So then when we came around,
Speaker 3: like we were the next door neighbors. When we came around,
Speaker 3: I was two years old, so it was like he
Speaker 3: got to do it all over again. But he was
Speaker 3: home and like working on this little farm. And so
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance that as he lay dying
Speaker 3: in his own garage, he had all these horrible regrets
Speaker 3: of like what he did and didn't do concerning his family.
Speaker 3: And I think that might be the thing that makes
Speaker 3: people stick around. Yeah, unfinished business. But maybe that's just
Speaker 3: all the movies I've seen.
Speaker 1: For my grandma, I always thought that it was because
Speaker 1: I was the youngest grandchild and she didn't have enough
Speaker 1: time with me. Hmm, so she would like stick around
Speaker 1: to be like I'm your grandma too.
Speaker 3: That was my theory, and it felt like loving to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's still a ghost to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always say this, but like I don't care who
Speaker 1: you are. If you're gonna disappear in front of my eyes,
Speaker 1: you're terrifying grandma or not.
Speaker 3: Now do you ascribe to any of those like ghost
Speaker 3: horror movie tropes where like they don't know they're dead,
Speaker 3: they don't know they're scaring you because they think they're
Speaker 3: just in the room with you.
Speaker 1: Oh. I definitely think that that is a thing as well,
Speaker 1: where sometimes it's a ghost that's just like hey, guys,
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like or just like, you have something
Speaker 1: on your shoulder and they're like, oh, let me just
Speaker 1: get that for you, and then you're like, something touched me.
Speaker 3: My shoulder's freezing cold, I can't move it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or I think it's a lot of like tiptoeing
Speaker 1: around the house like I don't want to bother anybody,
Speaker 1: and then they bump into something and then something falls
Speaker 1: over and then everyone screams. I definitely think it's a
Speaker 1: lot of innocent they don't want to scare you, right.
Speaker 1: And then there's the ones that are like how I
Speaker 1: would be, frankly, which is here we go, I'm a ghost.
Speaker 1: I am going to scare you now intentional of course,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's theater. I would be like, let's go,
Speaker 1: I'm playing the part of a ghost now and I'm
Speaker 1: going to spook.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how great is it if you love a house
Speaker 1: that you live in, and then there's people that move
Speaker 1: in that You're like, I don't like these people. I'm
Speaker 1: going to scare them out of here. I have nowhere
Speaker 1: else to be, I'm dad. Yeah, like, I might as
Speaker 1: well have fun with that.
Speaker 3: That's what we call the beetlejuice approach.
Speaker 1: The beetle juice. Wait, have you ever looked into as
Speaker 1: the host of my favorite murder? What the story is
Speaker 1: with the woman that shot her husband?
Speaker 3: No? I just found out about it. All that stuff
Speaker 3: was a recent thing that happened with my aunt's house.
Speaker 3: So all the stories are like coming back now. So
Speaker 3: everyone just started to talk about these things were my cousin's, Like,
Speaker 3: they ever tell me about that time that I was there?
Speaker 3: And then something just touched my back where I was like,
Speaker 3: hold on, I didn't know it was to the extent
Speaker 3: that it was like while I was away in the
Speaker 3: nineties two thousands, they were like growing up there and
Speaker 3: having these weird experiences.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So well I did a little research
Speaker 1: oh about that? No, not that something else. Sorry, it's like,
Speaker 1: what are the I happen to know ahead of time? No,
Speaker 1: but I did do some research about a completely different case. Okay,
Speaker 1: This one takes place in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
Speaker 3: Ooh you ever been? No me, neither. I don't know
Speaker 3: Connecticut except for in movies. That's for rich people who
Speaker 3: do business in New York live.
Speaker 1: Rich people love it, and ghosts love it, do they? Yes,
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of famous I mean, there's the
Speaker 1: movie The Haunting in Connecticut, which is based on a
Speaker 1: true story. This one is not that, but it is famous.
Speaker 1: It is known often as the Bridgeport polter Geist.
Speaker 3: Ooh ooh.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about a Poultergeist?
Speaker 3: First of all, I feel like they're the ones where
Speaker 3: you have like the least chance for reason or for
Speaker 3: wrapping it up in a reasonable way. Yeah, based on
Speaker 3: the movies I've seen, in the books I've read, Poulter
Speaker 3: guys just don't give a shit. They're doing a whole
Speaker 3: other thing. They could be a demon, or they could
Speaker 3: be a restless spirit. Their grave was paved over, the
Speaker 3: house was built over something. Yeah, then they get into
Speaker 3: people and you get the whole Amityville horror thing happen,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like it's the truly scary
Speaker 3: ghost dangerous.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, if it's something that's moving things around
Speaker 1: all the time, Like why couldn't it just pick up
Speaker 1: a knife and stab you? Like yeah, And a lot
Speaker 1: of times there's yeah, kind of no rhyme or reason.
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's believed to be telekinesis or
Speaker 1: psychokinesis kind of carry vibes stemming from a person. Yes,
Speaker 1: where they can't it's control it. I mean Carrie, she
Speaker 1: really had.
Speaker 3: Control of it until her emotions were triggered at the prom.
Speaker 1: Yes, but even with that, she could turn her those
Speaker 1: big old bug eyes and then she could make you know,
Speaker 1: the fire hose spray people. Like a lot of times
Speaker 1: it's just like, ah, I've got a lot of emotions
Speaker 1: and hormones and whatever, and then like things are just
Speaker 1: like flying off the walls and like they can't control
Speaker 1: it per se.
Speaker 3: Yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I want telekinesis so bad and I'm trying hard.
Speaker 3: And you want to feel that experience of the chaos
Speaker 3: of it, or you just want superpowers?
Speaker 1: I want superpowers.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say something that I've done before, and
Speaker 1: I don't think I am the first person to do this,
Speaker 1: but I have I have encountered people that have given
Speaker 1: me attitude out in public, and I act like I'm
Speaker 1: going to put a curse on.
Speaker 3: Them, and what is that? Through gesturing or words, how
Speaker 3: I'll be like.
Speaker 1: It, like I'm putting a curse on them.
Speaker 3: Listener, she curled up kind of like a Halloween cat,
Speaker 3: but then this big smile came across her face and
Speaker 3: then she just did zapping fingers. That's that's the curse.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would be scared shitless if that happened
Speaker 3: to me at the grocery store.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Anyway, I don't have superpowers, but you know what,
Speaker 1: in Bridgeport, Connecticut, there was a house that had superpowers.
Speaker 1: A lot of my research came from a channel on
Speaker 1: YouTube called pandocs pand Dogs yep, hand dogs, as well
Speaker 1: as there was an article from the lineup which was
Speaker 1: really good. And then I also found some witness interviews
Speaker 1: on YouTube. So this took place in the seventies. We're
Speaker 1: talking about nine six six Linley Street and Bridgeport, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: It's a house that is small, three bedrooms, built in
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three. All right, let's meet our stars, Jerry
Speaker 1: and Laura Goodin. They move in in nineteen sixty. Jerry,
Speaker 1: he's an electrician. He had dreams of being a priest.
Speaker 1: When he was younger, they adopted a girl named Marcy,
Speaker 1: and Laura was homeschooling Marcy because she had a hard
Speaker 1: time at school. She wasn't getting along with kids and
Speaker 1: there was lots of bullying, so they brought her home
Speaker 1: for homeschool. And about a year after they had brought
Speaker 1: her home. Now, I don't know if it's connected or not,
Speaker 1: but nothing really happened in the house from nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: until nineteen seventy two, so they adopted her. I believe
Speaker 1: around nineteen seventy one nineteen seventy two is the first
Speaker 1: time something poltergeisty happened. Okay, so they call the police
Speaker 1: because they keep hearing rhythmic knocking on the walls in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and it would last into
Speaker 1: the morning. Now, of course it's like they go out,
Speaker 1: they look, they don't just jump to calling the police.
Speaker 1: And even with police, a lot of these stories, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, there's a lot of similarities to these.
Speaker 1: Usually starts with you call the police because you don't
Speaker 1: know who to call. You just hear that it sounds
Speaker 1: like a human is knocking, yes, and then the police
Speaker 1: will come and they'll be like, oh, there's nothing whatever.
Speaker 1: It gets more interesting with the police as we go
Speaker 1: on here. So they're calling everyone at this point, they
Speaker 1: call the gas people, they call the plumbers. Everyone's like, girl,
Speaker 1: Jerry Gooden, there's nobody. It's just knocking and we don't know.
Speaker 1: So then they start seeing handprints and footprints around the
Speaker 1: house with no explanation. Different things start happening around the house,
Speaker 1: like windows shattering, curtains falling, and honey, the knockers kept
Speaker 1: on knocks in nineteen seventy four, so it's been two
Speaker 1: years of this. Now. This is when the Poulter guys.
Speaker 1: She's like, I am warmed up and I am ready
Speaker 1: for my moment.
Speaker 3: Let's do this. Let's knock some vases off the mantle exactly.
Speaker 1: So Jerry and Loa Goudain they come home one day
Speaker 1: from the Pigley Wiggly or some kind of They were
Speaker 1: at a grocery store. It's November twenty third, so around
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving time. They probably had arms full of turkeys. They
Speaker 1: come into the house and their daughter, Marcy, well I
Speaker 1: should say she's also her name was Marcia, but also
Speaker 1: went by Marcy. She's taking a nap and they come
Speaker 1: into the house and they're like, Marcy, what is going
Speaker 1: on in here? The TV is laying face down. Jerry
Speaker 1: puts it back where it belongs, and he goes to
Speaker 1: get some of these groceries out. And Jerry and Laura say,
Speaker 1: at this moment, they started seeing dishes levitate out of
Speaker 1: the sink and smash. What knives start flying, the refrigerator
Speaker 1: begins floating and rotating in the air. What apparently they
Speaker 1: had three in this house, which is great, I mean rich, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: So three televisions. The main one fell on Laura's toes
Speaker 1: and it broke one of them.
Speaker 3: Ooh.
Speaker 1: So they're over here like oky, like this is weird.
Speaker 1: This has never happened in our house before. And they're like, whatever,
Speaker 1: let's just make some dinner. We're gonna eat it. Like no, yeah,
Speaker 1: now this was you. Where would you be at if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, You've lived in this house now
Speaker 1: for fourteen years and nothing like this has ever happened.
Speaker 3: I gotta say. The second knives rise up out of
Speaker 3: the straining rack or whatever it's called, the drying rack, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and start flying anywhere goodbye bye, and then the refrigerator part,
Speaker 3: which is like, so did the refrigerator land and you
Speaker 3: had to plug it back in? Like how is it possible?
Speaker 3: So they're just going to go into full denial and
Speaker 3: be like get stuff out of the fridge and fry
Speaker 3: it up in a pan, Like how scared would you be?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Just ignore it, Just ignore it and eat a full meal.
Speaker 1: Oh past the cranberry sauce.
Speaker 3: Get prepared for Thanksgiving with our pre Thanksgiving meals. I
Speaker 3: just would leave the house. I think I would first
Speaker 3: involve a neighbor, because I think you're right when you
Speaker 3: involve the police, it's just an official who's going to
Speaker 3: come and tell you you're crazy. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, on average, I don't think it's easy to
Speaker 3: get the police to do a buy in on a
Speaker 3: full Poultergeist haunting exactly. But I would get a neighbor
Speaker 3: kind of like, can you please look?
Speaker 1: I recently was scrolling and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was America's Got Talent or one of these, but I
Speaker 1: saw that old classic act where they chuck a knife
Speaker 1: or shoot a bow and arrow with a person got
Speaker 1: an apple on their hair. Yeah, how is that still.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sorry, I was just thinking about that
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about knives being thrown. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it was like one of these ones where the person's
Speaker 1: kind of like got their arms out and the person's
Speaker 1: chucking knives around their body and into the wood. You
Speaker 1: better hope that it's the ghost of that person, because
Speaker 1: I don't want them hitting me.
Speaker 3: Well, can I say the one thing I know about
Speaker 3: those things, and this is a bit of a ruin,
Speaker 3: it's the boards they're leaning against. The knives are coming
Speaker 3: out of those boards.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, So where does the knife go when
Speaker 1: they throw it?
Speaker 3: They don't throw it, their hand goes down, right, it's
Speaker 3: still in their hand. But you're never looking at that
Speaker 3: because oh my god, this person could get hit with
Speaker 3: a knife. All eyes are on the person on the board.
Speaker 3: The reason we're still seeing that trick up unto today
Speaker 3: and it has an advance is because they have to
Speaker 3: make a new board with a thing that's like effectively
Speaker 3: that distracting to come out of it. Working on talk
Speaker 3: shows learned a lot of like behind the scenes heartbreaker
Speaker 3: like magic and entertainment secrets. I was at one party
Speaker 3: once where I told one of them and everyone got
Speaker 3: so bummed out, and I was like, oh, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to do that anymore. But that one is
Speaker 3: kind of a vaudeville classic.
Speaker 1: Now I want that job. Now I want to be
Speaker 1: the lady that just has to lay there. Yep, that
Speaker 1: sounds like a great gig.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's no risk, there's no risk.
Speaker 1: You just lay there. You don't even have to move,
Speaker 1: and then everyone applause and they're so concerned about you,
Speaker 1: and everyone's focused on you. I want that job.
Speaker 3: And you get to dress like a champion ice skater.
Speaker 3: That's the only chance you get to wear kind of
Speaker 3: like a beaded leotard, right, kind of fishnet combo. Unless
Speaker 3: you're me unless one of my who am I talking to?
Speaker 1: I see you're talking to you. All I have is
Speaker 1: ice skater regalia. No ice skates, just just from the
Speaker 1: ankle up. Yeah, So back to this story. Yes, So
Speaker 1: they're eating their dinner and throughout that night, the kitchen
Speaker 1: table at Jairs topple over. Curtain rods are fallen left
Speaker 1: and right. Don't you dare forget about the knocking.
Speaker 3: So the next so they're they're powering through. They're just
Speaker 3: like each your vegetables, like exactly, yep, wow, okay, very Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we have to keep in mind that this
Speaker 1: is a Catholic family because the man wanted to be
Speaker 1: a priest when he was a kid, right, So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like that plays into some of
Speaker 1: this a little bit as we go on here. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the next morning they wake up, Mmm, that was
Speaker 1: weird last night, but whatever. Jerry walking around the house
Speaker 1: and the house is tore up. These Poulter guys had
Speaker 1: a rager when they were sleeping, and curiously, what he
Speaker 1: notices is that the family's pictures of Jesus are ripped
Speaker 1: and the crucifixes are damaged. Also some other stuff that's
Speaker 1: happening on this morning. The recliners are opening and closing
Speaker 1: on their own.
Speaker 3: Which sounds kind of cool, but it would look great.
Speaker 3: It sounds cool, Yeah, it would be really fun.
Speaker 1: The TV is, I guess playing the sound of a doorbell.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's all about. This is when
Speaker 1: they decide we got to get out of here, and
Speaker 1: they actually do have a friend that they call over
Speaker 1: to take a look. Of course, they call the cops
Speaker 1: and Laura goes to the hospital because she broke her
Speaker 1: one toe from the TV fallen on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although you can't, they can't do anything for you
Speaker 3: at the hospital. Save your money and tape your toes together,
Speaker 3: because there's nothing that can be done. Just a tip
Speaker 3: from me, I know.
Speaker 1: So they call this officer over. He goes in, and
Speaker 1: sure enough, the poulter Geist is like, I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's a cop, come on in, I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: And he goes in and he looks around and he
Speaker 1: does he does one of these. Uh, we're gonna need
Speaker 1: a bigger boat. He calls back up. At this point,
Speaker 1: there's a whole gaggle of police officers that are snooping
Speaker 1: around the house and they are seeing TVs and refrigerators floating.
Speaker 1: A crucifix spun around at one point and hit one
Speaker 1: of them in the chest. As this one day is
Speaker 1: going on, the firemen get there. There's approximately twenty witnesses
Speaker 1: in the house.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And it's at this point that the smell of sulfur
Speaker 1: fills the air.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, this sounds like demons are involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: That's a guest, though. You tell me.
Speaker 1: It's a very educated guest based on what we know
Speaker 1: or you know, the smells all fulfills the air, and
Speaker 1: cops look at each other, they say, whoever smelted Delta?
Speaker 1: And the polter guys said, it's me, bitch.
Speaker 3: It's me, bitch. Hi the problem, it's me.
Speaker 1: So one officer actually ran out of the house and claims,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Karen. If there weren't official police reports
Speaker 1: about this, of which there are many, I would be like, what, yeah,
Speaker 1: because these cops, I mean, they can't be falsifying reports.
Speaker 1: They are saying what they experienced in these reports. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's this one who runs out of the house
Speaker 1: and says, I am about to quit my job because
Speaker 1: he claims that their cat started talking to him.
Speaker 3: No, no, I've never heard of that in a Poldergeist story.
Speaker 1: Oh you've never seen hocus Pocus. Are we just gonna
Speaker 1: erase the contributions of Thackeray Binks or was it Max
Speaker 1: from Sabrina the Teenage Witch, the nineties sitcom?
Speaker 3: Well? What did the cat say? Did the cops say?
Speaker 3: Is it quoted that?
Speaker 1: I don't know specifically, but the coop was very concerned
Speaker 1: and very.
Speaker 3: Convinced that would be scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would quit my job.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So one of their neighbors was into this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff and she's like, oh, I know who to call.
Speaker 1: M Ed and Lorraine Warren legends. So you know about
Speaker 1: these people.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Now they're controversial, especially in hindsight. My thing I always
Speaker 1: say about them. I think it's great what they did for,
Speaker 1: you know, getting the word out about this kind of
Speaker 1: study and whatever. But they're very jesusy. Everything's a demon
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have spoken to a few people that have worked
Speaker 1: with them in the past that did not love what
Speaker 1: they did. I don't know. There's also some other tellols
Speaker 1: that have been done to your own research people.
Speaker 3: But anyway, if it's not a thing where you can
Speaker 3: get a license for it or there's like school for
Speaker 3: it or whatever, these are people that are saying, we
Speaker 3: made up a service and we're telling you how reality
Speaker 3: is exactly, which is one perspective, and maybe they help.
Speaker 3: But also, yeah, that's very interesting. I just always saw
Speaker 3: them as good only because during the Conjuring film series,
Speaker 3: they always come in when people need the most, and
Speaker 3: you know, it's so heartwarming to have Patrick Wilson in
Speaker 3: your house when you're scared, absolutely, but yeah, I could
Speaker 3: see where they're their own energy coming in.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you now I think those are based on
Speaker 1: a true story from what I've heard. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. But anyway, so they call the men. They
Speaker 1: didn't live too far away from there. They arrive, They
Speaker 1: got a priest and a seminary student with them. I mean,
Speaker 1: they are again very they're very Catholic. So at this point,
Speaker 1: the cops are outside doing crowd control because word has spread.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, there's not much going on in Bridgeport
Speaker 1: that day.
Speaker 3: The cat talk to you, just went screaming into the
Speaker 3: streets and was telling everyone he could find.
Speaker 1: Come on over. We got a poultry. Guys, we are
Speaker 1: refrigerators flying. I saw an interview with Ed Warren. Well,
Speaker 1: it was with Ed and Lorraine Warren on YouTube, and
Speaker 1: Ed says there was between ten and fifteen thousand people
Speaker 1: outside of the house. What that's what he says. And
Speaker 1: Lorrain in this interview says, for forty eight hours, it
Speaker 1: was the number one international headline this house because there
Speaker 1: were so many witnesses. I mean, a refrigerator lifting that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Yeah, I'd want to see that for
Speaker 1: myself for sure. This is the point of the story
Speaker 1: where I would be out there selling merch. Okay, I'd
Speaker 1: be making T shirts, keychains, beer koozies. I got knocked
Speaker 1: at the Bridgeport Poulter guys like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: would come up with something real quick and try to
Speaker 1: make some money.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, a talking the cat has a little talking
Speaker 3: bubble that says, come on over to the house on
Speaker 3: Haunted Lane.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I would be making talking cats, talking cat, ventriloquist dummies,
Speaker 1: all of it. So at this point, everyone is looking
Speaker 1: at Marcie. They're like, girl, what's going on here? Like
Speaker 1: they're thinking that she has something to do with it,
Speaker 1: whether it's paranormally like she's the root of it of
Speaker 1: this Poulter guys, or is she the one that's like
Speaker 1: somehow doing all this stuff to get more attention. Hoax sir, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a hoax sir.
Speaker 3: How old was Marcy?
Speaker 1: Sorry, you know, I couldn't find an exact number. I
Speaker 1: believe at the oldest she would be preteen based on
Speaker 1: what I was reading.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: One thing I was reading about the cops showed up
Speaker 1: and they thought it was kind of weird that she
Speaker 1: was just sitting there watching cartoons. But yeah, somewhere between
Speaker 1: baby and thirteen somewhere, as my guess, so everyone looking
Speaker 1: at her. Personally, my number one suspect would be the cat.
Speaker 1: I think that the cat could be throwing things and
Speaker 1: causing some of the chaos. So Lorraine Warren goes into
Speaker 1: Marcie's room and she gets nauseous. She says that she
Speaker 1: starts to see a second degree burn forming.
Speaker 3: On her wrist, on Lorrain's own wrist.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what she says. Okay, Marcie is sitting on
Speaker 1: a recliner talking to the police. Karen, this is insane,
Speaker 1: what they say. She's talking to the police. She's sitting
Speaker 1: on the recliner, the whole seventies recliner. Yes, raises to
Speaker 1: the ceiling, flipped three hundred and sixty degrees in a
Speaker 1: dropped around the ground. Ooh, if I saw a recliner,
Speaker 1: a big old lazy boy with a little girl in
Speaker 1: it lifting to the like, there's no it just sounds
Speaker 1: so insane. But again, there's a lot of witnesses.
Speaker 3: So right, there's a lot of witnesses. And also now
Speaker 3: we're moving into the nobody's safe realm, because if it's
Speaker 3: like an entity that's trying to hurt a child. To me,
Speaker 3: that feels like it's next level in the haunting movie
Speaker 3: that I'm watching. Yeah, there's one thing when it's like
Speaker 3: the vase is knocking around, it's genuinely scaring people, but
Speaker 3: it's like it wants to harm that child potentially, or
Speaker 3: use the child as an example. Like everybody get out
Speaker 3: of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, break in toes, throwing crucifixes, throwing knives. It's just
Speaker 1: not it's not a safe place. And again, this part
Speaker 1: of the story is all just three days and nights. Wow,
Speaker 1: it was all happening at once. And at this point
Speaker 1: Adam Lorraine Warren come to a very logical conclusion. They say,
Speaker 1: all right, it's demons. That's what we've diagnosed this one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. It's got to be demons. So one day
Speaker 1: in these three days, the kitchen starts to get cold
Speaker 1: and the lights flicker and a yellow mist is forming.
Speaker 1: Ry claims that he saw four figures in it. He
Speaker 1: starts saying prayers, he's spraying holy water all over the place.
Speaker 1: He's going through the house and he says that the
Speaker 1: figures are following him around. The priest and the Warrens
Speaker 1: come back to bless the house and they say that
Speaker 1: they saw a shadowy figure. Then Marcy, during all this chaos,
Speaker 1: goes to one of the officers, Hey, come over here.
Speaker 1: She goes, guess what it's me doing all this shit?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: She makes a confession. She says, it's me. I'm doing it. Now.
Speaker 1: Whether she said this or not, we don't know. This
Speaker 1: is where a little bit of the controversy comes into play,
Speaker 1: because the cops are like, all right, she has admitted
Speaker 1: it's her. It's just a teenage girl. She's you know,
Speaker 1: puppeteering this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's spinning a refrigerator in the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They're like, sure it's her. Yeah. They're like, all right,
Speaker 1: everyone get out, like let's go, and kind of everyone
Speaker 1: is like thank god, Like, first of all, very expensive
Speaker 1: for taxpayers to be paid for the cops. That's right
Speaker 1: to be, you know, doing all this crowd control. They've
Speaker 1: got cops parked out there all night. The police chief
Speaker 1: is over it, so they kind of now, I don't
Speaker 1: know if she really said that or not, but either way,
Speaker 1: they get to a point where they're like, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna say it's the little girl. Please ten thousand people outside,
Speaker 1: go get a hobby. We're done here, and the good
Speaker 1: and family told the Warrens, all right, we're good everyone. Yes,
Speaker 1: is kind of like, but how did she do the refrigerator? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff the recliners and I don't know.
Speaker 1: Apparently the police chief said publicly, the little girl is
Speaker 1: a ventriloquist and the cat story that you heard, she
Speaker 1: is able to throw her voice and she gave them
Speaker 1: the old Jeff Dunham and that's that.
Speaker 3: But it was a cat speaking that scared a grown
Speaker 3: policeman to the degree where he wanted to quit his job,
Speaker 3: sacrifice his pension, give up everything he'd maybe worked for for,
Speaker 3: you know, zero to fifteen years. Yeah, it wasn't like
Speaker 3: a little girl being like get out of the house.
Speaker 3: It's like it was believable enough so that he went
Speaker 3: running and telling people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that obviously the police chief was
Speaker 1: a little embarrassed, like, I've got my grown men out
Speaker 1: here in this house saying that cats are talking and
Speaker 1: refrigerators are lifting up in the air. This is not
Speaker 1: a good look for us. We just got to leave
Speaker 1: this and they did, and the Warrens have definitely talked
Speaker 1: about this case a lot over the years. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're both deceased now, but they talked about it, and
Speaker 1: they don't believe that it was her, even in a
Speaker 1: paranormal way, because stuff would happen when she was like
Speaker 1: miles away from the house. But then I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit confused because in this one interview I was listening to,
Speaker 1: Lorraine was saying that apparently, you know, she was adopted,
Speaker 1: and the last home she was at there were strange
Speaker 1: occurrences happening.
Speaker 3: So hmm.
Speaker 1: Either way, this particular case, apparently it continued for a
Speaker 1: few weeks and kind of died down. And that is
Speaker 1: the Bridgeport poltergeist.
Speaker 3: Okay, Can I just say that it reminds me of
Speaker 3: the original ghost story I told you, Yeah, that happened
Speaker 3: in college, same exact thing, where we were in such denial,
Speaker 3: even though weird things were happening and people were going,
Speaker 3: you know, like, why'd you do the dishes in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night type of stuff, and we just
Speaker 3: ignored it and ignored it and ignored it. And then
Speaker 3: even after it happened, like I had my sister come
Speaker 3: pick me up and then the next day she just
Speaker 3: brought me back. It's not like we immediately moved out
Speaker 3: or anything. Is it just people get so freaked out
Speaker 3: and overwhelmed, where like as long as things aren't flying
Speaker 3: across the room, they're like, I guess this is fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to quit a job or to move
Speaker 1: out of a house that's so serious and takes so
Speaker 1: much out of a person's life. And yeah, to do
Speaker 1: that because you believe there's an invisible person throwing things
Speaker 1: and doing dishes and whatever, you feel like a crazy
Speaker 1: person admitting that, right, And I feel like it gets
Speaker 1: to this point where you're like, I'm an adult, come on,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. Yeah, that's I think a lot of
Speaker 1: times what keeps people around with this stuff? And I'm
Speaker 1: very grateful for them because then I have stuff to
Speaker 1: talk about on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, and it is a fascinating thing of what does
Speaker 3: ultimately solve these situations or make them stop happening. Is
Speaker 3: there some sort of point where the ghost gets what
Speaker 3: they want? Or is it the people getting to a
Speaker 3: certain place, Like if all those events died down, like
Speaker 3: what was it? Did anybody get what they wanted in
Speaker 3: this scenario?
Speaker 1: Well? I think like when you're a ghost, it's like,
Speaker 1: where do you go from recliners tipping upside down?
Speaker 3: For real?
Speaker 1: Like what can you really do? Because you can go
Speaker 1: back to just knocking, but that's not going to be
Speaker 1: satisfying for you once you've already pushed it to that limit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think the ghost was like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm like out of ideas honestly, Like I got the
Speaker 1: crowd here and now I feel like I'm a has
Speaker 1: been because nobody wants to come around here anymore. And
Speaker 1: I got the damn cat to start talking.
Speaker 3: Uh, what more do you want from me?
Speaker 1: If we're done, I'm done.
Speaker 3: I wonder if you saying Connecticut's really haunted, maybe the
Speaker 3: ghost goes to a different house. Maybe there's a little
Speaker 3: bit of that happening. Oh yeah, I mean I thought
Speaker 3: I'd throw it out there for theories. Why not?
Speaker 1: But I'm open to all of it.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: You know, ghosts can go all over the place, including
Speaker 1: haunted dolls. Karen, Can I show you a haunted doll
Speaker 1: I found on eBay?
Speaker 3: I wish you would.
Speaker 1: It's time for a segment I call the dolls are living,
Speaker 1: So Karen, these can look like anything. Okay, haunted dolls
Speaker 1: come in all kinds of forms. And we love a
Speaker 1: traditional scary little girl with curly hair and lacey dress,
Speaker 1: and even better if one eyeball's missing. But this one,
Speaker 1: I will say, not so much scary looking. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe to some people, but it does come with a
Speaker 1: backstory that's really fun. Giha, if you could, please, could
Speaker 1: you please introduce Karen to Lucius. So this is Lucius,
Speaker 1: who is I guess a pumpkin. But it's confusing because
Speaker 1: he's got arms and legs. He's not just like a circle,
Speaker 1: so I don't know's I guess he's like an orange
Speaker 1: looking little plushy type doll with a witch hat on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very clearly a halloween kind of off brand beanie baby.
Speaker 1: Yes you heard of tie t Y. This is Bye Okay,
Speaker 1: she's not quite a real beanie baby, I don't think.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's not about the outside with Lucius. It's
Speaker 1: about what's going on when you buy Lucius. So currently
Speaker 1: Lucius is going for forty six dollars on e Bay.
Speaker 1: Here's what it says. He was forty three when he
Speaker 1: passed away when one of the members of his coven
Speaker 1: got mad at him and pushed him off of a roof.
Speaker 1: He has been a warlock for twenty years and learned
Speaker 1: a lot, and he started his own coven. They met
Speaker 1: once a week on a rooftop of a high rise
Speaker 1: building that he lived in. They would perform rituals and spells.
Speaker 1: The new guy in his coven like to push his
Speaker 1: views and opinions even though he was a beginner, and
Speaker 1: he seemed to have a temper when someone didn't agree
Speaker 1: with him. At one of their coven meetings, the new
Speaker 1: guy disagreed with Lucius on how to perform a certain
Speaker 1: ritual and he started fighting with Lucius. Lucius was trying
Speaker 1: to calm him down and explain things, but the guy
Speaker 1: went into a rage and pushed him off of a roof.
Speaker 1: Now Lucius is looking for a new home. He will
Speaker 1: gladly cast his magic spells on your behalf. Just tell
Speaker 1: him what your need is and politely and respectfully ask
Speaker 1: him to cast a spell on your behalf, and don't
Speaker 1: forget to thank him. Besides doing magic, he enjoys riding
Speaker 1: motorcycles and dirt bikes. He also loves watching football. He
Speaker 1: sometimes turns our lights on and off. He opens and
Speaker 1: shuts doors and knocks and bangs on doors, walls, and windows.
Speaker 1: I've even seen him move objects such as a book,
Speaker 1: coffee cup, pull a chair out, etc. So that's pretty
Speaker 1: much it. You're interested. I got forty six bucks, Karen.
Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes people get on platforms like eBay
Speaker 3: and such, and then they treat it like it's their
Speaker 3: chance to have a creative writing moment, where they're just like, slowly,
Speaker 3: let's get in here and let's see what I can do.
Speaker 1: Especially during the strike. I did notice a lot of
Speaker 1: these during the.
Speaker 3: Strike, Yelp reviews that go on and on. Yes, people
Speaker 3: needing to get it out of them in some way.
Speaker 3: This has the same feel because I have to say,
Speaker 3: and maybe that's kind of part of it is Lucia's
Speaker 3: doesn't look like he would be doing any of those things.
Speaker 3: And the idea that he was a warlock that got
Speaker 3: pushed off a roof is really funny when you look
Speaker 3: at this doll, because it just looks like kind of
Speaker 3: a new doll that someone got in a claw machine
Speaker 3: at the airport in Las Vegas around October.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I should have explained this to you a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Oh now it's my bad. I assume
Speaker 1: that you knew what The idea behind these on eBay
Speaker 1: is that a person lives a life and dies, and
Speaker 1: rather than going to heaven or how or anywhere else,
Speaker 1: they somehow magically end up inside of a doll.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they choose it. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it happens. It just somehow. This is the doll
Speaker 1: that Lucius the Warlock found himself.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm calling bullshit on. What I'm saying is,
Speaker 3: you know we didn't pick this doll. Yeah, this doll
Speaker 3: looks like it's a rip off jolly Bee character. It
Speaker 3: is the weirdest like it's almost like there's no design
Speaker 3: to the doll. It's like a fourth grader made it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: there's nothing scary about this doll.
Speaker 1: Would you own it though? Saying that you don't think.
Speaker 3: It's scary, No, only because it would just collect dust
Speaker 3: and then I would end up, you know, giving it
Speaker 3: away or srowing it away or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just don't see any There's no enjoyment that can
Speaker 3: come out of this in any direction, because it's not
Speaker 3: pleasant to look at. I know, he has a kind
Speaker 3: of a gritty you know, the gritty mascot yes, he
Speaker 3: has a rip off gritty vibe to him.
Speaker 1: He does look like a mascot for sure.
Speaker 3: Do you want to buy him? Are you interested in this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's what this was about, Karen. I just I'm
Speaker 1: in love with this doll and I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you think I should buy it.
Speaker 3: I will absolutely give you forty six dollars. If you
Speaker 3: don't want to spend your own money, I'll sponsor you
Speaker 3: for the show.
Speaker 1: Karen, Can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: It's time for EVP or ev plyse all right, Karen,
Speaker 2: you've done this four years ago.
Speaker 1: Here's what I do. I go to YouTube or TikTok
Speaker 1: or wherever fine ghost voices are posted, and I find
Speaker 1: a couple of EVPs electronic voice phenomena. I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: you too, and I want you to tell me what
Speaker 1: you hear, okay, and then I'll give you some options,
Speaker 1: the correct answer being what the person that posted it
Speaker 1: believes the ghost is saying.
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 1: These are both from the same channel on YouTube, which
Speaker 1: is called Sinister EVP. This first one is at a
Speaker 1: cemetery in Rhode Island. What is this ghost saying, Karen?
Speaker 1: Little clickiness going on there, but you can hear it.
Speaker 3: I heard definitely a whisper, kind of sounded like a
Speaker 3: man's voice. Will you play it again?
Speaker 1: I would love to.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 3: It sounded like pool gang, kind of.
Speaker 1: Pool gang, like the gang at the neighborhood pool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, warning about the pool gang.
Speaker 1: Pool Let me play it. One word said, Mmm, I
Speaker 1: do hear pool gang.
Speaker 3: But what else could those vowels be saying?
Speaker 1: Well, I will say, sinister EVP did not think it
Speaker 1: was pool gang.
Speaker 3: Okay, I can't believe I didn't get that one.
Speaker 1: It's one of these four options. Did they think it
Speaker 1: was a armageddon? B come again? C oh my god?
Speaker 1: Or D I'm gay? Okay, it's one of those. Let
Speaker 1: me play it again, come again? They do? It was
Speaker 1: indeed B come again?
Speaker 3: Yes, congratulations, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Okay. One more, This next one, also from sinister EVP.
Speaker 1: This is at their friend Tom's house, which is haunted.
Speaker 3: Okay, what is it saying? Oh?
Speaker 1: Another whisper?
Speaker 3: We played again?
Speaker 1: Hmmm. I don't like that any guesses.
Speaker 3: I mean, it almost sounded like welcome home or something,
Speaker 3: but not the beginning, but like come home at the end.
Speaker 1: Well, here's some options. Is it a I'm on zoom,
Speaker 1: is it B in the mood, C in the room,
Speaker 1: or D I'm a ghost boo. Okay, it's one of those.
Speaker 3: In the room.
Speaker 1: In the room. Karen kilgarv two for two.
Speaker 3: I like this game.
Speaker 1: I know it's fun.
Speaker 3: It's fun and kind of scary.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: The first one scared me a little bit. There's something
Speaker 3: about the sound of it. I didn't like it's the whisper.
Speaker 1: But again, it's like, could these ghosts just be innocently
Speaker 1: like I'm in the room, just so you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to bother I just want to warn you.
Speaker 1: Don't want to bother anyone. I'm in the room.
Speaker 3: Don't mind me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And the first one was saying, what was it,
Speaker 1: come again, come.
Speaker 3: Again, come again.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We love to having you here any times.
Speaker 1: It's nice to have someone here. Okay, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: one last thing. Okay, it's just kind of a rapid fire.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to see if anything comes up, maybe an
Speaker 1: anecdote of some sort, maybe a theory you have, I
Speaker 1: don't know, something of just different paranormal phenomenon. Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: go through some real quick psychics. What do you got
Speaker 1: to say about psychics, any thoughts.
Speaker 3: I very much believe in psychics. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: there's plenty of people who can hear or see or
Speaker 3: feel things that other people can't. For sure, we know that.
Speaker 1: Do you go to them or have you?
Speaker 3: I have in the past, like when I've gone to
Speaker 3: let's have place a psychic guy that amazing, like bookstore
Speaker 3: so good, and sometimes they would have like you could
Speaker 3: get either to row reading or some sort of psychic reading.
Speaker 3: They'd always tell me stuff. I would just be like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about. But I think
Speaker 3: that had to do with myself where if people were like,
Speaker 3: you have brown hair and blue eyes, I'd be like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about. It was like
Speaker 3: kind of that time of life where everything was more
Speaker 3: like I don't want to know about myself. But I've
Speaker 3: never had like a personal reading from like it because
Speaker 3: there's so many in LA where people are like this
Speaker 3: person's really actually good, right, There's so many, but I've
Speaker 3: never had one.
Speaker 1: Okay, Psychay is an interesting store because it's I definitely
Speaker 1: think people should check it out. It's a cool place
Speaker 1: to spend an hour. They also have psychics on staff.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, take your pick, like there's twenty of
Speaker 1: them here. Yeah, it's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had this psychic reading? There?
Speaker 1: A psychic reading? Oh my god, I've had so many.
Speaker 1: I've also had phone call ones from them, which you
Speaker 1: can also do. Ooh yeah, it's kind of fun. You
Speaker 1: can go in and like look through the roster. Kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me this one time I watched the show
Speaker 1: on like Cinemax or something where they go to like
Speaker 1: the Bunny or whatever, Like they line up and they're
Speaker 1: like that one. It's like that kind of vibe, like
Speaker 1: pick which one you like, and then there's all these
Speaker 1: ladies with like frankly look like me with like bangs
Speaker 1: and long finger now, and then I'm like, I'm want
Speaker 1: that one. That's my psychic anyway. So what do you
Speaker 1: believe in curses? Mmm?
Speaker 3: I think a little bit. I definitely believe in Italian curses.
Speaker 3: I think it depends.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm doing my cat pounce curse.
Speaker 3: You really you reel back like a cat and then
Speaker 3: you come forward. I mean, because I think that intention
Speaker 3: of like I hope the worst on you is very real. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think it's probably a good idea every once
Speaker 3: in a while to just get that released or have
Speaker 3: some like an old lady bless you in some way
Speaker 3: so that that doesn't stick to you. But I guess yes,
Speaker 3: all the things I just said equal a true yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I got is a punching bag.
Speaker 1: I bought a punching bag, oh, for a workout. But
Speaker 1: also I'm like, if I got bad energy, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put it in the punching bag. I'm not gonna put
Speaker 1: it on people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice, that's ah. But there's also just like
Speaker 3: I think revenge is such a it's such a drug,
Speaker 3: such a lure. Right, So then you're like, somebody fucked
Speaker 3: me over, So now I'm gonna I can figure out
Speaker 3: a way to like permanently ruin their life or something.
Speaker 3: How could you not want to do that? If someone
Speaker 3: does something bad to you.
Speaker 1: You can use it as motivation, for sure. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's so many of us here in show business
Speaker 1: where it's like I'll show you guys, you'll rue the day. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: a couple more past lives. You believe in that.
Speaker 3: Not that much? You know, what I believe in is
Speaker 3: Edgar Casey and those things where he would access the
Speaker 3: Acashic records and all that.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by that because there was so much of
Speaker 3: it that turned out to be real and true, provably
Speaker 3: true that he was kind of accessing. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know whether he actually specifically talked about past lives,
Speaker 3: but that's what that reminded me of. And I think
Speaker 3: that the idea of that we've been here before, I
Speaker 3: think is interesting and as a thing to think about,
Speaker 3: but actually, like it's me Cleopatra, I don't really believe
Speaker 3: in that.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of times you go to these ladies,
Speaker 1: you pay them some money, and they say you were
Speaker 1: a pharaoh. It's always like you were a pharaoh, you
Speaker 1: were a war hero. It's never you were some lady
Speaker 1: named Sarah that just sort of.
Speaker 3: Sheem's nice working at the butcher shop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you worked at a butcher shop.
Speaker 3: Decent human being. Well. Also, it makes me think of
Speaker 3: like I did have grandparents who like both emigrated to
Speaker 3: America alone or you know, like with just their siblings
Speaker 3: in their teens, so it's kind of like they're very
Speaker 3: heroic to me. You don't have to go that far
Speaker 3: back or be like it doesn't have to be me personally,
Speaker 3: because it's like that is part of me, is like right, hey,
Speaker 3: those badasses got me where I am today. I think
Speaker 3: sometimes if people need to feel a little pride where
Speaker 3: they can't find it or something, or you know, that's
Speaker 3: a good thing to tap into. What if you were
Speaker 3: a lady or some sort of lowered or something. But
Speaker 3: it's like, well that's fine, but you can do an
Speaker 3: ancestry dot com or whatever and figure out the same
Speaker 3: thing from reality.
Speaker 1: Totally. Okay. Last one, we giboards keep believe in them.
Speaker 3: I think they're real and I don't like them at all.
Speaker 1: Really, did you ever do one? Yes?
Speaker 3: I've done them a lot, and I just always heard
Speaker 3: bad stories and like people who I went to school
Speaker 3: with were like we did a thing and there was
Speaker 3: actually something in the room with that, like freaked out
Speaker 3: preteen girls, because that gets real popular, like in seventh
Speaker 3: and eighth grade when you're still doing slummer parties. You're
Speaker 3: not like out at a party yet, uh huh. All
Speaker 3: that girl energy and like trying to get messages or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think there's a lot to that,
Speaker 3: and it's just why are we letting the young girl
Speaker 3: children play.
Speaker 1: With those things totally.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you keep it in the hands of the adults.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that that kind of stuff, Like you could
Speaker 1: do the same thing a million different ways, Like I
Speaker 1: think you could light a candle and be like, who's
Speaker 1: here with us? Like, I don't know, there's you could
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. However, the Wiji board is like,
Speaker 1: here's a toy. Who wants it?
Speaker 3: Yes, Like there's something very innocently presented, like you're saying
Speaker 3: about it. But then it's like, but you could also
Speaker 3: maybe call up the devil. Yeah, we don't know. We're
Speaker 3: Parker Brothers. We don't know.
Speaker 1: We don't know. We don't do that far fun. We
Speaker 1: just make the board. Karen, what an honor to have
Speaker 1: you back.
Speaker 3: Thank you for doing this, Rose. I love you, Karen.
Speaker 1: I love you, Karen. People listen to my favorite murder.
Speaker 1: Do you need a ride? You're not on Instagram, you
Speaker 1: don't post on TikTok.
Speaker 3: Right, I watch everybody else's stuff on TikTok and love
Speaker 3: it and enjoy it, but I don't. Yeah, same, It's
Speaker 3: one way street.
Speaker 1: Goodbye, goodbye, There's something behind you. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: to Karen. Of course, you know where to find her
Speaker 1: on My Favorite Murder and Do You Need a Ride,
Speaker 1: which are two podcasts that I have been on. I
Speaker 1: have been very honored to be a rare guest on
Speaker 1: My Favorite Murder and I know a lot of Murder
Speaker 1: renos listen to this show, and I've met a lot
Speaker 1: of you, and thank you and thank you for supporting
Speaker 1: all of us here at Exactly Right. Guys, I will
Speaker 1: talk to you next week. I love you all, both
Speaker 1: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to
Speaker 1: haunt me, don't haunt me.
Speaker 3: Gay bye.
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Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
Speaker 1: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
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Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start,
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