WEBVTT - Patriots Playbook 9/18: Recapping Seahawks Loss, Previewing Jets 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.560 Or Patriots played the co Legends aboard John who brings 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.680 the Heat Radial store from Braid. He's throw some new 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:15.480 stars rising. The playbook's opiated as soon as Rizon. 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:21.079 So le. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:34.560 Patriots fast down his Patriots playboard. I think I'm just 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.080 sitting here in rock out of this for a little bit. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.680 Matt's also dansing a jig in the other room, because 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.520 he's the he's the creative master behind these jingles. Thank 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.480 you for those of you who actually gave enough crap 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.960 to vote or at least listen to Matt's creations. Uh 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.360 you know via uh X and uh YouTube page and 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.280 Facebook and everywhere we posted the last few weeks for 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.399 the new show opens, we actually had a bit of 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.920 a tie, and we weren't sure that it was completely 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.840 complete because the returns kept coming in and we kept 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.360 getting different resorts. I'm not trying to figure out how 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.480 the hell that happened. So here's what we've decided to do. Okay, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.800 this was our personal favorite, the one that you just 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.919 heard that was the pop rock version, which is actually 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.720 kind of it's kind of fun. We had quite a 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.800 bit of interest in which one, the rap one is 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.360 that what it was bo version, the boom bat version. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:35.880 You want to play that one? Can you play that one? 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:36.119 Yeah? 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:36.880 Give me one second one? 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:37.080 Yah? 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.679 Yeah yeah, go ahead, call up the boom Bap version. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:40.399 Uh. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.479 And then we also had interest in the country Western version. Uh. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.440 And so we decided we're going to rotate the damn things. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.520 Why not, we can make up the rules. Let's just go. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.120 These were the three most popular by vote through social media. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:02.680 The Raino Storms, New Stars Fire, Am I doing right? 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:12.239 You want the turntable hands the Patriots. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:13.600 First down. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:18.960 Everyone, I. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.639 Just love it. I think it's great, all right. And 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.840 then the one that actually came we think in third, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.280 but we're gonna give it credit anyway. That was the 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.120 country version, correct, all right, you want to play that one. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.160 Patriots Playbook Legends Are Born. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:41.840 Watch Out. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.240 Kenny brings the heat step inside. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.120 From Brady's throat to New Stars Rising the playbook soap 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:55.000 and it's soszin into the playbook. 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:59.400 Here's your host John voice? Is that your voice from 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:07.640 the run down? La la la? 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:07.840 There? 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.320 It is? All right, So we're gonna rotate those suckers 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.280 in and round, and if you really feel strong to 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.959 be any of the others that were on YouTube. You know, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.720 let us know. But that's fine. But we're gonna We're 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.120 rotating in and out, and I thank you for your interest. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.160 We try to have some fun on this show. You 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.320 have to. Life's too short. Life's too short not to 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.400 have fun. So that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.680 have some fun on the program today. Obviously, we have 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.520 a game tomorrow. It's the only prime time of pearance 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.440 thus far scheduled for these New England Patriots for this 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.000 twenty twenty four football season. And so you've got the 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:47.120 Thursday night football game tomorrow night on Amazon Prime. Don't 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.200 ask me where the hell you can find it on 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:49.720 your TV? 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:51.240 Amazon Prime. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.200 Yeah, find it on Amazon Prime. I guess you know 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.200 where the hill's that. You know. I had somebody asked 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.120 me that, I said, you have a smart TV. I said, well, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:03.080 I thought all TV's are smart. Okay, yeah, kind of 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.160 they are. But you have to download the app and 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.600 blah blah blah, and you have to subscribe and okay, 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.800 you know, so you know it's a pay thing, and 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.760 you know it's it's quite possible that in the next 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.320 five to ten years there's going to be one of 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.960 the Big Four, NFL, NBA, Major League Baseball hockey, that 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.160 going to be nothing but stream They will not have 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:31.479 what we would call in over the air broadcast product MLS. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.320 Party does that right? They're on Apple TV. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.120 Yeah, it's just gonna Apple owns MLS. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.520 Yeah, Apple owns Vice Versa, right, So MLS is already there. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.440 It's gonna happen people, So you might as well just 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.640 you know, get the smart TV and you know, break 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.279 up your bundles or whatever and just you know, pay 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.680 for a couple of streaming services. You know. I know that. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.200 You know, Peacock is very popular now because it's a 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.800 part of NBC. I happen to know the president of 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.560 NBC Sports, So he played basketball at Providence College. Did 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.680 you know that? Yeah, yeah, before a little before your time, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.960 you know, being our producer and our engineer. But yeah, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.720 his name is Rick Cordela. And in fact, when we 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.360 were when you had the Brady Thing here over the summer, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:20.840 the Brady Thing Hall of Fame, Brady Thing, Mike Turrico 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.279 hosted it, you know. And so I'm sitting there getting 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.760 ready to do my bit and Twieks comes up from 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.360 behind gives me a little bear hug, and so we 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.360 make small talk. Ay, how's it going, blah blah blah, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:31.880 what's going on? When are you going to Paris for 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.640 the Olympics? That kind of stuff, right, And I said, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.640 do you know Rick Cordella? And he looked at me 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:39.920 and he thought about it for a second. He goes, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.839 I know Rick very well, so do you. And I'm like, whoa, 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.400 that's impressive because he knew that Rick was a former Friar. 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.599 He's a former Friar walk on basketball player back in 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.279 the late nineteen nineties under Pete Gillot. And so now 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.080 he's running the NBC Sports Empire. Okay, that's amazing. And 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:03.719 so now Peacock is becoming the most subscribed I guess 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.839 app if you will that has sports on it. They've 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.680 got over thirty three million subscribers in this country and 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.520 they increased that number I think probably tenfold because of 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.880 the Olympic coverage. They had so many of the Olympic 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.880 games this summer, you know, from Paris on Peacock. So 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.080 they just they sold a bunch of subs smart. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.400 They made exclusive deals with WWE. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, So at any rate, it's gonna 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:31.680 happen before too long. So anyway, getting back to the 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.880 original point, it's on Amazon Prime tomorrow night, and you'll 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:35.920 have Al Michael's and Kirk herb Street, which is a 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.880 little bit of an odd companying for me, but you 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.520 know what, Al is still Al and Herbie is still Herbie, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.080 So there you go. They'll be doing it tomorrow night. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.760 Dan Leberfeld from Jets Confidential will join us at the 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.440 top of the hour and we'll get the latest on 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.800 the Jets going into the broadcast, going into the game 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:57.080 tomorrow night. Russell Baxter on week three around the National 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.200 Football League. He will be here at about four o'clock. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.800 Chris Mason, who covers the Patriots for mass Live at 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.400 masslive dot com. He's gonna join us in a little 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.400 under an hour from now, around three thirty. So that's 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.720 what we've got coming up on the show. In the meantime, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.280 eight five five past five hundred, toll free telephone number 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.800 eight five five p ATS five hundred. Web radio at 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.960 Patriots dot com is the email address if you want 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.680 to go that route or hit me up on X. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.560 It is at JR Broadcaster. That's the follow on X 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.480 and so give me a you know, a post there 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.240 and we can communicate that way. A couple of things 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:38.480 that I want to start with before I get to 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.560 the phones. This morning, this morning, this afternoon, depending on 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.280 where you are, I guess it could be morning, right, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.520 it's also tonight. Hi, Claire, how's it going, you know? 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.400 Hey girl? Yeah, yeah, So we just got to make 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.480 sure that we get that in there. Juwan Bentley, as 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:58.880 we know out. I looked at the play that he 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:04.040 was allegedly in injured in against the Seahawks this weekend, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.000 and I look over it over and over, and at 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:07.760 the end of the play you can kind of see 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.920 him yank his right arm back like it was caught 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:16.600 somewhere where you know, it wasn't supposed to be. It's incredible, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.840 how you know, you know quickly things like this can happen, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.720 and he's got a torn pectoral muscle. And then the 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:29.320 country the conflicting reports mostly yesterday Tuesday, that said, you know, 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.240 he's out, he's in, he's out, he's in, he's out 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.680 for the year. He could play. You know, you don't 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.080 know who the hell to believe anymore. And and I'm 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.320 right there with you on that one. I don't really know. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.080 I mean, I I follow you know, uh, all of 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.240 our guys, all of our reporters on on the Twitter 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.080 x I thought, follow a lot of them on a 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:55.240 couple of other social media platforms, and no one really 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:59.440 wanted to step out and claim that one. And then 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.520 we have had the initial report saying that, you know, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.600 he was the injury wasn't as serious as it appeared 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.440 to be, and then all of a sudden, he's out 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:13.719 for the year. And that one came from Ian Rapaport 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.240 from NFL Network and of course being one of the 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.440 you know, true NFL insudters in the game along with 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.880 you know, Adam Schefter, I think that was the one 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.720 that kind of quieted everybody down. Oh my god. Well, 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.880 if you know, if the rap sheet says it, then 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.160 you know it's got to be true. You know, he's 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.040 usually right. I got to give him credit where that's concerned. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.480 At any rate. It affects the Patriots hugely. And now 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.439 you've got this defense that was allegedly that we talked 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.720 about in the off season, we talked about early in 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.520 this season. We've got this Patriots defense that's been that 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.800 we thought would be pretty strong, and the first two 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.560 weeks of the season. They're not far off. They're not 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.439 far off. They're second in rushing yards allowed thus far, 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.280 you know, so I'm I mean, I think they're you know, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.920 top five in total defense. So look here we go, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.880 and now you're you've lost the right up the middle. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.360 You've lost the heart and soul of this defense. You've 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.920 got Christian Barmore Moore who's out until further notice, although 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.840 he is on IR with a designation to return, so 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.720 Barmore in theory could come back. We don't know. But 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:30.960 Bentley's out and I'm just also out for tomorrow night's game. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.080 O'Shane Ziminez, you know, who had a really solid one 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.800 of the better preseasons of any Patriot player. He's out 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.520 with a knee injury. And so you got your linebacking 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:48.200 corps that's hurting literally and figuratively, especially up the middle. 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.000 And so this is going to take away a lot 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.320 from I think the Patriot's ability to stuff the run. Now, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.920 this means, of course, next man up, and we know 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.000 that Moniker, but you know, look, if the next man 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.640 up were all that, he'd be in there to start, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.280 wouldn't he. And I'm not saying that to take away 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.160 from ray Kwon McMillan, because he's the guy that will 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.000 be stepping in now and he's gonna get a chance 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.720 to show what he can do, and he's gonna need to. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.480 He's gonna need to because if I'm the Jets, knowing 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.120 what the Jets have done through their first two weeks, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.199 and they're one and one, of course like the Patriots are, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.840 then I'm running the damn Paul on the Patriots, and 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.440 I'm using that run to set up the past game, 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.560 and I am gonna attack and I'm gonna try to, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.800 you know, nail that Patriot secondary that was suspect as 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.080 we saw against the Seahawks this past Sunday. You know 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.400 the miscommunication, you know that allowed the fifty seven year 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.440 touchdown bomb. You know, I'm just like, Wow, that can't happen. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.080 And i know Kyle Dugger took full responsibility for it, 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:53.640 but it can't happen the Patriots. This Patriots team margin 0:11:53.679 --> 0:12:01.480 of error is extraordinarily thin. They must play in order 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.599 to have a shot. And I know you've heard the 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.800 PU guys talk about this. You probably talked about it 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.160 your own self. You've read it, you know, you probably 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.840 go pined about it. You've seen it everywhere. There is 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.400 truth to this. Okay, this team has some ability. I 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.800 think this team is certainly a step above where we 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.800 were this time a year ago. And I think we 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.920 can even see that through two weeks, will know more. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.240 Give me another two to three weeks and I think 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.000 we'll all know a little bit more about this team. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.200 But just through the effort and some of the athleticism 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.880 that we saw during the preseason, during training camp, and 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.280 then what we've seen early in the year, I'm already 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.200 telling you you know, this team is certainly taking a 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.880 step in the right direction. How big a step, mother, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:47.600 may I? How biggest step can they take from this 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:52.479 point forward? And could it possibly be that they regress 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:58.120 if the injuries start piling up? The Jets are banged up, Cheese, 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.200 San Francisco's banged up, He's banged up. They just happen 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.800 to be the next two Patriots opponents. What would be 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.200 a crying shame is for this kind of a situation 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.040 to avail itself of to New England and they're not 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.280 able to take advantage of it. With key players out 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:20.120 tomorrow next week, the week after, think about there for 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.439 a second. You know, you don't have Christian McCaffrey, probably 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.040 not gonna have Deebo Samuel. You certainly not gotta have 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.680 two a Tango vo Law because he's you know, on 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.600 ir now for the Dolphins with the concussion from this 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.600 past week as well. So for looking at it from 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.600 a New England point of view, you've got an opportunity 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.079 here now. And by the way, Tiger Voloa hasn't lost 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.360 to the Patriots. I'm sure you're very well aware of that. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.120 So I'm just like, wow, what how do you take 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:52.280 advantage of this? I my own personal thought is is 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.120 that I think, look, if you could win the next 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.000 if you win two of these next three, which I 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:03.360 think is doable, then counts Thursday night. Okay, you win 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.400 two of these next three and you get to you know, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.520 you know, you're at win two. That puts you through 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.240 you get to three and two through week five, Okay, 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.880 then I think you can look at this team and say, potentially, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.240 you know, if you get people back, if they're healed, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.200 you know, I'm talking barrow More in particular, I could 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.520 see this team hanging around into December for a playoff spot. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.480 I could see it don't kill me on this. Okay, 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.360 don't kill me on this. I'm just I'm just sort 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.680 of supposing I'm throwing it out there. I'm not really 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.640 shaking the pomponds here. I'm not really trying to play Homer. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.360 I'm trying to come up with what I think is 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.240 a plausible scenario to be where I think this team 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.880 should be, and probably where you think this team should be. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.000 You're frustrated, you want to see improvement. You're too used 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.440 to seeing success around here. I know a lot of 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.800 fans that are like that. Hell, a lot of the 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.280 media is like that. A lot of the media is 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:02.320 expecting that. So we get there. You gotta take advantage 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.080 of these breaks that you've been given over the next 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.600 couple of weeks, starting with Thursday night. And how do 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.000 you do that? Well, I know that the Jets are 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.720 gonna be just there. They're gonna be if they don't 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.240 play eight or nine in the box against you know, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.280 the second best rushing offense in the NFL through a 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.880 couple of weeks, then they're dopes. So that means the 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.560 Patriots are gonna have to be prepared to go over 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:31.560 the top to probably beat the Jets. Thursday night. Don't 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:39.920 be surprised. Don't be surprised if you see Drake May. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.960 I'm just saying, don't be surprised. I'm not saying it's 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.360 gonna happen. I'm just saying, if it happens, don't be surprised, 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.160 because for two reasons. Number one, I think you know, 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:56.840 the Patriots woefully, woefully played conservatively against the Seahawks, and 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.120 that helped cost them the game. And then, of course, 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.040 when they tried to throw the ball and they threw 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:07.200 two incompletions stupidly at the end of the first half 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.360 and allowed Seattle to kick that field goal before halftime 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:14.360 on Sunday, that was horrible clock management. Bill Belichick even 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.040 came out and criticized it during the Manning cast on 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:22.360 Monday night. I'm sure many of you probably heard that, man, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.480 that hell of a time to pick to throw the 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.000 ball cost you the game. Otherwise you could win that 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.640 in regulation and it never gets to overtime. That's how 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:35.240 close the Patriots were. They gave Sunday against Seattle away, 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:40.080 gave it away. So now that you've made your mistakes, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.200 you can see how thin the margin of era really 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.720 is for this team. To have success. It really wasn't 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.440 I mean egregious you had yeah, you know, and they 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.680 but they didn't turn the ball over. They didn't really 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.000 commit any penalties I mean of note that really killed anything. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:02.120 They just didn't think, They didn't think or they didn't 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.639 think properly, and it ultimately cost them. So the margin 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.480 of area is extraordinarily thin for a team that has 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.280 some ability, has some talent, but not enough of it. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.520 On top of that, because they were so concernative in 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.640 the passing game and they what wide receivers had three catches, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.679 my guess is is that they realize that, hey, we 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.439 got to get the ball to Pop, We got to 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.280 get the ball to Jaalen Polk. We have to because 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:35.600 teams are going to load up in the box and 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:36.919 darro us to run and we're not going to have 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.760 any running room. I understand playing conservatively, but I'm not 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.679 sure that you can get away with doing that every week. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.159 It's very obvious that the offensive line, such as it 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.200 presently exists, can run block way better than it can 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.040 pass block. So it stands the reason they're going to 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.400 want to try to run the ball, and I certainly 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.879 expect the Patriots Thursday night to come out against the 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.160 Jets and see if they can establish the run. Why 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.439 wouldn't you when you're one of the best running teams 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.960 right now in the NFL, why wouldn't you try to 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.720 establish that. Antonio Gibson looks like a breath of fresh 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:12.200 air back there, and between him and Ramandre Stevenson, that's 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.720 a great one two punch. Stevens has had a lot 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.680 of touches early in the year. I wouldn't be surprised 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.240 to see Gibson play a little bit more, rotate, a 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.440 little bit more, touch the ball a little bit more. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.760 He's a great change of pace back because he's got 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:30.040 what I like to call missibility. He can make guys 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.439 miss and I think the Patriots are gonna need that, 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.040 But because I expect the Jets to be ready for it, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.600 the way that you beat them is through the air. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.359 Jacoby also got banged up against Seattle. He didn't let on, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.879 but we've seen the signs around here, and you know, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.080 without giving away house secrets, you know he was late 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.800 for an interview yesterday and he did one interview that's 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:56.800 allegedly you know, streamed that you know he did it 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.480 over the phone. Because you know, he's probably got wraps on, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.720 and he's probably got this, and he's got that. And look, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.480 I understand that you certainly don't want to give it 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.359 away to your opponent that you know, hey, so and 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.040 so has heard he's banged up, you know, and we 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.320 got him on the injury list. I'm not telling you 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.480 the Patriots are lying about the injury list. He's not 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.000 on it, or at least that he's not out. And 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.320 I think he'll probably start the game tomorrow night. I 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.560 think he'll probably start. But if there's not if they 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.760 struggle on offense and the Jets have it figured out, 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.600 I don't know if it'll be second quarter. I don't 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:31.879 know if it be third quarter. I don't know if 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.320 it be fourth quarter. I would not be at all 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.720 surprised to see Drake May come into the game. I 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.919 would also tell you I think it's more likely that 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.359 his debut happens, believe it or not, on a road 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.720 game than a home game, because of the crowd reaction, 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.400 because of the way you would react if you saw 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.040 him come out off of the bench. At Gillette Stadium, 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.800 it's a place to go nuts. I don't know that 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.120 there's going to be a tremendous amount of pressure on him. Hey, 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.040 young man, go out there to play ball. Let's go crazy. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.480 As that sounds, I kind of think of it that way. 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.439 And the only thing that keeys me from really you know, 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.119 buying in on this one is you know, City's so 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:19.120 still out. Vederian Lowe is out. Patriots are probably gonna 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.800 start Kayden Wallace at left tackle because of the the 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:30.760 lack of depth now with without uh, I've already forgotten him, 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:35.679 big fellow on the left side. Okay, so which they 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.280 deafade right, so you know, or they they put him 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.480 on the put him on one of the lists I 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:49.520 can't remember at any rate. Chokes a core for ne 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.160 we go thought about it. So, uh, there's a big 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.200 opportunity there for a rookie So you're gonna have a 0:20:54.280 --> 0:21:01.639 rookie tackle. You're gonna have a rookie guard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.920 And he got banged up. Jacoby got banged up pretty 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:10.080 well last week. We could see it pretty stiff rolling 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.360 around and coming back on a short week. On top 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.359 of this, this is the third game in eleven days 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:22.760 for both teams. Okay, third game in eleven days. Seven yeah, 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.119 eight nineteen. There you go, third game in eleven days. 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:29.639 So yeah, you know, the Jets have got their own problems. Now, okay, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.240 they've got their own problems. I'd be I'll be very 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.240 curious to see how Aaron Rodgers at age forty comes 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.800 back to perform, you know, his third game in eleven days. 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.840 There's a lot of things going on there for both sides. 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.439 But looking at it strictly, and we'll talk about that 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.840 with you know, Dan Liberfield coming up a little bit. 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.040 But you know, looking at it from the Patriots point 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:55.200 of view, why not? Why not? You've got an golden 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:59.679 opportunity laid out before he is, as I've explained, And 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:04.119 if you struggling, I think maybe you kind of go 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:09.680 for the change of pace, maybe you throw, maybe maybe 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.440 you know, you roll the dice and you know, hope 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.800 for the seven. I don't know, but I just I 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.400 wouldn't be surprised. Just call it, you know, a feeling, 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.000 call it a gut thing, call it an instinct, call 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.240 it desperation, whatever you want to call it. But I 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.560 think the Patriots are also feeling the opportunity here. And look, 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:34.320 let's keep in mind now the Jets snapped a fifteen 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.919 game losing streak to the Patriots last year when they 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:42.800 beat New England here at Gillette. The Patriots have not 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:49.159 lost a game it met Life since twenty fifteen. Okay, 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.600 surely that's a that's a that's a that's at least 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.200 a mini dominant run that you'd like to keep rolling 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:00.600 if you can. And it's a divisional game. And we 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:02.720 don't need Bill Belichick or anybody else to tell us 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:08.040 how important divisional games always are to your overall fortunes 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.160 for moving on in the season and into the postseason. 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:13.879 So you got a chance now to get one on 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:18.639 the road before you even play a divisional game at home. 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.480 It's a big opportunity, and it's a big spotlight for 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.800 some young guys, and it may be a huge opportunity 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.840 for a guy like Drake May if they decide to 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:34.000 place that call and make sure that he or ask 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:38.040 him to move in for Jacoby Brissette. Look, you know 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:40.680 he's banged up, but this is suck it up in 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.080 go time, because he knows he's He's got to know 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:48.040 Drake May and in the in his ability just waiting 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:52.480 in the wings, waiting for a chance, waiting for an opportunity, 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.840 and it could come as soon as tomorrow night if 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:58.440 things don't go well. So he's gonna have to get 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:02.639 the ball up the field. So the Jets had probably 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:09.360 best be careful with loading the box up. If I'm 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:11.960 the Patriots, I got to be ready to recognize that, 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.480 you know, immediately, and none of this, you know, five 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:17.520 yards and out. I mean, although Hunter Henry had the 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:19.840 career day this past week, certainly I think one of 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:22.639 the great bright spots for the Patriots in an overtime loss. 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.200 But you got to be ready to go over the top. 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.040 And if you're going over the top and you're missing 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:32.760 these guys, that's when you call on the rook I mean, look, 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:34.680 we've talked about this, but I but I got to 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:39.000 mention it here, right You drafted the guy third. You 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.040 drafted the guy third. Now, I know rookie quarterbacks are 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.399 not off to a great start anywhere in the NFL 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:46.119 right now. I mean, we'll talk about this with Russell 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:48.480 coming up in the next hour, but I mean, nobody's 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:51.520 playing well. Everybody's getting banged up, everybody's had a rough time. 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.199 You know, we've seen you know, Caleb Williams, you know 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:57.120 we've seen. I mean, it's you know, bone Nicks, We're 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:03.440 seeing all of them struggle, even Jaydon Dan. So maybe 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.280 the Patriots, at least in theory, did the right thing. 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:08.800 I gotta give them credit for that. I was all 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.640 into the play him now camp, and so I understand 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.520 why you bring him along more slowly. I get that. 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.359 I understand it, especially with the fact that you have 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:20.120 an offensive line that is in a constant state of flux. 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:22.720 And yeah, the one that's going to be out there 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.199 Thursday night against the Jets is about as fluxed as 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:30.479 you can get. So then why would you play him? 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:40.000 Because you need to win? Where's coach Herm Edwards? You play? Hello, 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.199 you play to win the game. Hello, you play to 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.960 win the game. There you go, that's it annoying, that's 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.000 what you do. And so you got to play to 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:58.200 win the game. You can win, rock, Yes, you can rock. 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:02.200 You can win. You can win. Greasy fast lightning. Wasn't 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:03.879 that one of the other lines that he had. You 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:07.520 gotta be greasy fast lightning, Okay, whatever, you gonna be 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.040 faster than grease light faster than grease lightning too. I 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.600 don't know. Whatever it was. Burgess Meredith all time. Great. 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:15.200 He was so good as the penguin. 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.120 He's just gonna say that. 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.760 See, you're not even old enough to remember that TV series. 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:24.479 I've watched it, obviously, watch you've seen it. 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.159 I've seen it, and I knew you know him as 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:28.960 Mick before I ever knew he was the Penguin. It 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:30.680 knew my mind when I found out you found him was. 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.560 The original youenguin? Yep, yeah, thea like the guy from 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:40.080 Rocky's Penguin. What, well, that's what I grew up with 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.480 because that was back in the sixties. That's that's back 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.919 in my childhood. And so we couldn't wait for what 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:46.400 was it Wednesday nights? I think it was the middle 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:53.399 of the week. Uh, when Batman was prime time on ABC. Gosh, 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:57.120 golly Gee wille Ger Simony Chippity Doo Batman. Yeah right, 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:03.280 Bert Ward is Robin Adam w a Batman? Sure, yeah, absolutely, yeah, 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:09.080 that's exactly right. That was the theme. Now I've sidetracked myself. 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.880 That's all right, It's okay. We like to do that. 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:17.440 Eight five five pats five hundred, eight five five pats 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.560 five hundred, all right, So I've kind of laid it 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.520 down for you, at least what I think about tomorrow. 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:28.080 Don't be surprised, Okay, if it doesn't happen, I would 0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.679 tell you that things are going swimmingly for first the Patriots, 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.760 second Jacoby Brissett, because if things do go swimmingly and 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.480 he's able to make those long distance connections and able 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.880 to make those completions that he was unable to do 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.360 against Seattle last weekend, then that means the Patriots are 0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.080 have a lead or they're winning the game, and they like, 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:50.879 sh we dodged another bullet. We can hold on to 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.480 Drake for another week. But I think they're at a 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:56.919 point now where they know this is the part of 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.800 the schedule where they're getting it handed to them on 0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:03.600 us silver platter, or maybe we should say they're getting 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:08.800 and handed to them on a silver stretcher. Because the 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.040 other teams are not healthy and they've got key guys 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:18.040 out Starting tomorrow night, it's time to take advantage. Eight 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:22.200 five five Pats five hundred. Uh Todd in North Carolina, 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:23.600 Hey Todd, what's going on today? 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.280 Why are you looking for a win? John? What is 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.600 this this potential playoffs stuff? I thought we were rebuilding. 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.680 I thought we were being patient. I thought we were 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.560 just enjoying the development of our team as they brought 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.639 in new pieces. We try new young guys on the 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.000 O line. We got a couple of young receivers. We 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.440 want to look. I thought there was not a sense 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.360 of urgency. I thought there was a sense of, Hey, 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.320 just chill, see how where are we going? You win 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.960 one game, John, in your outlook changes. 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:51.360 To hell with that win. 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.040 I knew you were such a ah. 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.480 John, I'm a herd O. I'm a hard Oh. I'm sorry, 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.240 I just am. I always have been, I always will be. 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.360 You know this is where you know former PU Dennis 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:09.040 and Andy Hart and I have everything in common that 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:10.840 you know he was a hard Oh, I'm a hard Oh, 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.840 I always have been. You know I don't like this. 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.240 You know I'm playing for tomorrow. I'm playing with the future. No, 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.240 it's all about winning. Now. Life's too damn short. Let's 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.440 go now. The last four years have been extraordinarily last 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.880 well five years have been extraordinarily frustrating for me, just 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.320 as a fan and an observer. Now I would tell 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:34.120 you that, you know, I understand why it happened, But 0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:38.200 now it's time to bleep or get off the pot. Okay, 0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:42.040 it's it really is. And I think the Patriots, I 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.440 think the Patriots are beginning to feel kind of like that. 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.360 And so if you're like me, or if you're a 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.760 heart o like that, I think you're about to be rewarded. 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:51.760 That's just my gut. 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:51.920 Here. 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.200 Well, I'll say I was actually impressed with the Seahawks 0:29:56.240 --> 0:30:00.840 game because as I called into PU, I told them, 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.200 I said, you, no, last year, I don't think they 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.360 would have kept going. I think they would have quit 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.239 when they lost the lead because they just didn't have 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.400 any heart. And you know, they tried well the defense 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.120 and blah blah blah blah. Like no, they just as 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.120 a team, they just kind of sunk a little bit 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:20.360 whenever they get behind because they had that quarterback. And 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.040 there's no way you're gonna tell me the defense kept 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.040 playing hard when they knew that Mac Jones was gonna 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:28.440 come in and give up, and they didn't give up. 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.840 They came back, they took the lead back. Yeah, they 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.520 lost it in the wrong run. But man, this team's 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.840 got something that I think that could get him close 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.040 to five hundred. You know, with the injuries and other 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.120 teams and but there's enough here that I think if 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.520 they can develop, they can move forwards towards that. My 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:47.560 only concern is I've heard it on a couple of 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:51.240 different places and came out of Evans's mouth as well, 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:55.880 is that Rissett doesn't like throwing short receivers. That's why 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.040 he hasn't made any connections with Pop. And I'm like, 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.800 then he can't be our quarterback because Pop's up. In 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:04.600 my opinion, Puff's are best receiver. 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.520 I listen, you say, yeah, I agree with you. You can't. 0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.800 You can't play this game the way that you want 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.360 to play it unless you have a the ability to 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.239 throw short over the middle. He's your slot guy, and 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.320 b figure out a way to get him one on 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.200 one with somebody, because that person who's one on one 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.560 with him is going to be slower than Tomario Douglas. Okay, 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:27.640 he's gonna be slower. 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:29.880 It's not the short passes. John It said the height. 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.640 He said that Pop Douglass is too short as a 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.280 receiver in his height, that he doesn't like to throw 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:36.520 the short statuted receiver. 0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:38.440 Well, then he'd better learn how to do it, because 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.160 I don't know anymore. I don't know other who were 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.640 better short statued receivers than guys like Julian Edelman and 0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:45.280 Wes Welker. 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:46.640 Yeah. 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:48.840 I don't get it, but this has been reported on 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.760 a couple of different areas. And then Evan brought it up, 0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:53.960 and then I went, well, like, okay, so somebody else 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:54.600 is listening. 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:58.960 To it other than just me, Uh yeah, okay. But 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.360 if that's the case, then maybe that's why he's a 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.240 little p oed, And maybe that's why he was kind 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.280 of stomping around in the locker room. Maybe that's why, 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:07.680 you know, he you know, missed out on an interview 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:09.520 that he was supposed to have yesterday. Maybe that's why 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:11.360 he's a little butt hurt over everything. I don't know. 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.720 I mean, I really don't know. Maybe it's maybe his 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:16.960 David receiver was Jalen Rieger. I don't know. 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.160 I don't know, but I think this ties into me 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.880 into your idea that Drake may might come in, because 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.480 if Brissett can't throw the get the ball to pop, 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.360 and if he's a little bit injured, there is no 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.040 reason not to put Drake May in there. 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:36.080 I wholeheartedly concur, I wholeheartedly concur. I mean, it's if 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.200 he can't complete the play and do what the offensive 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.960 coordinator and the offensive staff is asking him to do, 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.680 then it's time to see if someone else can. Look, 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.200 they're saying, you know, with with Bentley gone and with 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:50.680 Barmore gone after the middle of the defense, next man up, right, Okay, Well, 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.400 if Jacoby Brissett can't do it, next man up, and 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.720 it just happens to be your prized rookie. 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:56.360 Let me. 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.920 I'll even put it in another way. You're picking third 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:00.800 over all of the draft last year. If you pick 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.760 an offensive lineman, which they might should have done, But 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.800 if you took an offensive tackle, you think he'd be 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:06.200 on the. 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.680 Bench right now, not a chant. 0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.240 Yeah, exactly my point. He'd be in there playing. But 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.400 now you're gonna sit the quarterback who arguably is playing 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.720 a more valuable position. Come on, I'm not buying that. 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:23.040 It's dumb, dumb, I hear. 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.280 You, So, John, I got a quick question for you. 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:27.040 I'll take the answer off the air, okay, but I 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:28.920 want you to give me who you think is gonna 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.000 be the star on defense for this Jets game and 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.800 the star on the offense. Thanks, have a great show, John. 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:39.760 All right, Thanks Todd, on offense. Well, look, I would 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.000 tell you that it's I got to pick two, and 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.360 I'm gonna pick two because it's the run game and 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.760 if the Patriots are gonna have such chess against the Jets, 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.239 and I certainly expect the Jets to be ready for 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.360 the Patriots to run the ball, since that's what they've 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.840 done over the last two weeks. But I gotta put 0:33:54.880 --> 0:34:02.040 that ball in either Stevenson's or uh, oh god, why 0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:04.000 am I brain cramping today? Have I not had my 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.240 coffee today? I have it right here, Mike Duncan's here, 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.040 the hell with it? Gibson, Antonio Gibson. There, I did it. 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.360 I knew it would pop into my head. Sinility is 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:19.120 setting And also it's one of those two guys on offense. Defensively, 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.000 I gotta listen. I gotta go with my man key 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.520 on white and I'll tell you why, because I think 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:25.960 this game is actually going to be decided by one 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:29.799 of or the other of the defensive ends on this 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.040 In this game, you know, the Jets have a pretty 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.560 good one as well, and we're going to talk about 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.920 that in just a moment here. But I gotta I 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.239 gotta tell you that when you look at, you know, 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.120 the Jets defense and where the Patriots offense matches up. 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.000 I gotta you gotta favorite the Jet. Will McDonald is 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.000 the guy who was taken what in last year's draft, 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.520 and I think he had what three sacks last week 0:34:56.520 --> 0:35:01.360 against Tennessee. And the Jets win, It'll come down to 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.160 McDonald versus White and which one is playing in the 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:08.480 other's backfield more so on defense. If the Patriots are 0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:09.799 gonna win the game, it's going to have to be 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.799 key on White. Speaking of the Jets, Dan Libberfield, who 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:18.600 authors Jets Confidential, joins us here in the playbook. Hey, Dan, 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.000 John Rookier in Foxborough. How's it going good? 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:22.360 John? 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:23.600 How you doing excellent? 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.200 Excellent? What are your thoughts on a couple of things 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.080 that we've we've had to talk about here. First of all, 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:32.359 I fully expect the Patriots to do what they've shown 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.239 they can already do. But if I'm the Jets, I'm 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:36.920 kind of licking my chops on this one because I 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:37.920 think I know what's coming. 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.759 You mean, as far as as far as what's. 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:48.080 Going trying to prepare for the Patriots and defend. 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:51.920 Them, Oh, you mean terms of running the ball. Sure, well, 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.080 you can run on the Jets. There's no doubt about it. 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:59.680 Right even in the game we saw last weekast kind 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:06.279 of ce Tony Pollard game. Yeah, the Jets play a 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:11.799 very aggressive defense where they rushed the passer and on 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.120 the way to the quarterback, they play the wrong so 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.440 they're very aggressive. So if you present some eye candy 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.480 motions and such, they tend to bite on it and 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:26.160 opening up some rushing lanes. Now, the strength of the 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:30.479 Jets line right now is actually the tackles. They lost 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.160 Jermaine Johnson the end for the season to a torn 0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.960 achilles in Tennessee. And yes, Will McDonald did have a 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.000 good game against the Titans, but the Titans right tackle 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.160 is really struggling in in the first game. The Jets 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.840 edge rush was kind of non existent in San Francisco 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.440 against better tackles. I know New England has some question 0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:55.640 marks at offensive tackles, so maybe the Jets edge can 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.719 be good in this game. But it's those two defensive 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.200 tackles that out of playing so well for the Jets 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.480 right now, led by Quinn Williams. So it's a defense 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.359 you can run on if you schemed things upright and 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:13.239 you make them go for the cheese on different gimmick plays. 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:18.040 Yep. And I think that's a great point. We don't 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.080 know yet whether or not the Patriots can scheme that. 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.400 We haven't seen it yet, so would be, like I said, 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:24.080 a lot of intrigue here. And this is part of 0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:25.960 the reason why Dan, I think you would probably agree 0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:27.879 with this, that you know, it's really hard to get 0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.319 a complete read on a team until you're you know, 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.680 well past the first month of the season, because you're 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.319 still in a formulative stage where you're trying to figure 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:36.839 out what the hell you have and when you have 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.480 injuries start to kind of nip at the heels a 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.279 little bit. And both teams are having those situations here, 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.040 and as I said earlier, both teams are playing their 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.600 third game in eleven days with this game tomorrow night. Yeah, 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:49.160 you've got to monitor that. You've got to be very 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:50.560 careful with that. You don't want to try to put 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:52.160 somebody else out there that you might lose for the 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.640 rest of the year. So the chess match here, the 0:37:55.640 --> 0:38:01.840 coaching match, is going to be extraordinarily important, if not interesting. 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:07.200 The Patriots, I thought, got coached circles around them against 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:12.120 the Seahawks in their game this past Sunday, and you know, 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.040 and the Jets were able to go out and get 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.319 a w. And by the way, I'm not sure when 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.719 was the last time team opened with two in a 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.160 row on the road. I don't remember that happening anytime 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.480 in the in the in the in the I guess 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:27.440 recent past. Do you remember the last time the Jets 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:28.440 had to do something like that? 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:33.360 No, I don't remember specifically, but obviously it has a 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.560 lot to do with Aaron Rodgers and the NFL office. 0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:38.800 I forgot which guy was. It might have been Mike North, 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:43.480 one of the scheduling guys said that they owed us one. 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:45.560 He was kind of joking. But as far as they 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.399 put Aaron Rodgers and the Jets on prime time six 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.600 times last year, and then he suffered the Achilles injury 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.920 for plays into the season, so they doubled down on 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:59.640 Aaron Rodgers this year. And and but the thing was, 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.879 when you look at the fact that the first two 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.120 games were on the road. The San Francisco game was 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.560 a real challenge. But when you come back on a 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:12.800 short week in terms of Monday night football to Sunday 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.759 and you're playing Tennessee a kind of a rebuilding team 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.319 of the quarterback who's trying to figure things out. I 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.040 think that the league office, without saying it, said you 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.080 know what, I know, it's two games on the road, 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.640 but the second game is Tennessee. So I think that 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.640 was kind of part of their thinking that it's not ideal, 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.799 but the second opponent, and they'll never say it on Park. 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.920 I mean, the second opponent isn't great. 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.440 Yeah, got you. Okay, let me ask you again, Dan 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.280 Liverfield from Jets Confidential joining us here in the playbook, 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.320 So let me ask you your thoughts on Aaron Rodgers 0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:47.480 and you know, can he live up anywhere close to 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.600 the original premise that I think the Jets thought they 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.080 were going to get with this guy when he came 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:52.759 from Green Bay. 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.000 Yeah, I absolutely think so. The one thing that's not 0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.759 there that we might have seen ten years ago is 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:03.600 the mobility. And I'm not talking about Lamar Jackson er 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:07.720 Josh Allen mobility. I'm just talking about that limited space 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:11.960 mobility around the pocket or on bootlegs rolling right. Obviously, 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:13.799 he doesn't run like he used to, so that's a 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.879 little limited, But I see everything else being intact and 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.160 I was just writing something for my website at Jetsconfidential 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:23.200 dot com about you saw that play on the highlights, 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.600 that play on third and one in the fourth quarter. 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.600 You know that that passed down the right skyline the 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:33.040 Garrett Wilson. I mean, I haven't seen scheming and execution 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:35.880 like that on a pass play from the Jets in 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.520 a long time. I mean, he milks the play cock 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.640 clock down to one. He changes the play at the line. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.160 They have Alan Lazard, who lined up right with Garret 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:50.320 Wilson run inside, take the double team because the Titans 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.719 figured on third and one the Jets and a tight game, 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.680 we're going to go for the first down. No, they 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:59.520 go for the single coverage where Garrett Wilson takes off 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.040 down the side. Gary Wilson one on one with no 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.960 jam at the line is almost impossible to cover, and 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.760 they complete a twenty seven yard pass down the sideline. 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:11.440 It was just the execution and the and the game 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.920 planning and the scheme were just brilliant. And I haven't 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.879 seen anything like that because the Jets have had one 0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:20.279 quarterback after the other and one offensive coordinator after the 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:23.040 other that was basically run out of town. That was 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.200 as good as it gets, and I think it's only 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:26.600 going to get better moving forward. 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.360 All right, So Aaron Rodgers is beginning to sort of 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:33.760 roll into some kind of shape. Where is the where 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:35.960 is the you know, I guess I hate to use 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.040 the term, but where's the Achilles heel for this Jets offense? 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:45.560 Well? Right now, well, it's hard to say. Like you 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:50.200 said before, after two games, it's hard to figure everything 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:53.280 out as far as the strengths and weaknesses of teams. 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:57.160 You know, we'll see what happens with this veteran offensive line. 0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.400 You know, the two tackles are thirty three, soon to 0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:03.399 be thirty four, and that's something to keep an eye 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.799 on against a team with really good edge rushers. And 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.920 you saw that in the open against San Francisco with 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:14.560 Nick Bosa and Leonard Floyd having really good games. So 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.280 if there was an Achilles hill, maybe it's the age 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.160 of the offensive tackles. But beyond that, it's hard to 0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:20.719 find a lot. 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.719 Yeah, I listened. I liked the offense. I was a 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:25.880 fan of Breese Hall when he was in college, and 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.760 I thought Breese Hall, you know, especially you know, rounding 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.520 back after an early injury. I thought he came around 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.280 pretty well last year and it looks like he's starting 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.000 to kind of round back into some kind of shape 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:41.040 as well. It's him and Braylen Allen. I guess that 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.759 combined last week in the backfield and helped kind of 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:46.560 chew up some of the clock. And I think the 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.040 rish game got a touchdown, did it not. 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:54.840 Yeah, you had the the Brailen Allen touchdown late in 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.759 the game, and the run blocking was much better in 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.239 the second game than the first, and you figure it's 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:04.120 going to continue to get better because this is an 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:08.080 offensive line that did not play one snap in the preseason. 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:10.640 And you could say, well that's smart, it's a veteran 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:13.160 offensive line, but it's a group that really hasn't played together. 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:16.000 You know, Joe Tipman was the only guy coming back 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.480 at the same position. You had two new tackles who 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.200 they brought in, Morgan Moses in the trade with Baltimore 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:26.400 right tackle and Tyron Smith coming from Dallas via free agency. 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.960 And you had John Simpson coming into left guard a 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.520 via free agency from the Ravens also, and you had 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.400 Elijah Vera Tucker who played tackle last year before tearing 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.560 his achilles playing guard again. So it was only one 0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:42.319 guy coming back in the same spot. So Week one 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:45.920 there were chemistry issues, there were communication issues. Week two 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:49.400 was a lot better, could get better, even more so 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:50.680 against New England. 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:51.319 Sure, I would think. 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:51.440 So. 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:53.759 I guess one of the keys then that we'll be 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:57.760 looking for is, hey, how much does New York attack 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:02.000 New England up the middle without the presence of your 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:07.359 best tackle and your middle linebacker. But number two, you know, 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.720 do you go over the top? Do you? You know? Garrett 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.759 Wilson I know is a guy that will certainly probably 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.120 concern New England. I know that last year, if I'm 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:21.279 not mistaken, early we saw Christian Gonzalez before he got hurt. 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.319 I know he matched up a bit with Wilson. So 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:27.160 any thoughts about those two perhaps tangling again tomorrow. 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:32.319 Night, Yeah, I think they will. However, the Jets, you know, 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:36.120 with Rogers, see, the last few quarterbacks that Jets had 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.759 were young guys, and this is common a lot of 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.719 young guys. I'm not picking on the last two quarterbacks. 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:46.040 And obviously Donald is doing better in Minnesota bo With 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.440 Donald and Zach Wilson, they were basically one read quarterbacks. 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:53.520 Aaron Rodgers is a full field reader. And there was 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.600 one point in the game in the third quarter where 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.480 the Jets were a little sluggish on offense. But Aaron 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.080 Rodgers made some adjustments and he started to throw to 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.680 the backs more. He started to throw to other receivers more, 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:09.400 and you know they he made Tennessee pay for the 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:13.279 fact that they were doubling Garrett Wilson. And that you 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:17.680 saw two plays after that brilliant play to to Garrett 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:19.520 Wilson that we were talking about at the beginning of 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:24.040 the interview, he threw Mike Williams open down the left sideline. 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.279 It was another great play. Mike Williams didn't play a 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.480 lot in the opener, coming off the knee coming over 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.839 from the Chargers. There's another weapon right there. So when 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:38.000 you have Mike Williams opposite Garrett Wilson and Alan Wizard, 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:42.200 who was so comfortable with Aaron Rodgers from their time 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.160 in Green Bay, there's a lot of other weapons. And 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:48.200 unlike the previous two young quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers is going 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:51.080 to find those other weapons. So Christian Gazalez is the 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:54.040 heck of a young player, but Aaron Rodgers is not 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:57.400 going to just stick to Garrett Wilson, if Christian Gazalez 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.279 is covering him, well, he'll go to a one of 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:02.000 the myriad other weapons they have. 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.279 Yeah, and I think that's I think that's a that's 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.400 a big key is going to put, you know, max 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.000 pressure on the Patriots secondary, which burned itself by you know, 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.680 the brain cramp they had against Seattle. Uh, you know 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:16.319 this past weekend and I saw where I think I 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.640 was looking at the snap count on stats just a 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.759 little earlier, Williams had what thirty seven snaps, So it 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:23.920 looks like he's rounding back into shape as well. And 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.799 if he's healthy and everybody is healthy, Yeah, that's max 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.680 pressure on your secondary. And Rogers would be the kind 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.080 of guy that's got the savvy enough to certainly go 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:33.880 out and find those guys. I don't have any doubts 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.200 about that. And so then it comes down to pressure. 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.880 Do you make him you know, you know, throw it early? 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.520 I mean, does he is that can you put that 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:44.440 kind of pressure on the Jets? And I think that's 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:46.960 a huge factor, which is why I kind of originally 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.520 pointed when I started the program today, I rightly pointed 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:51.680 to you know, the Patriots key here is key on White. 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:54.360 He's had a great start, you know, to the season. 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.799 He had a fantastic summer and training camp. He has 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:02.920 a tendency to beat tackles with his speed, or at 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:05.840 least not speed, I should say his strength first and 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:08.560 then his speed second. So he's got to find a 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.920 way to put it together. And I'm sure these will 0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:15.040 all be, you know, focal points for New York defensively 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:19.680 going against the Patriots offense. Talked about your tackles already, 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.359 and you know up the middle, I think that you know, 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.960 it's you know, it's still one of the best tackle 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:31.360 sets at least that I've been familiar with in a while. 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:35.399 I really liked the way that the Jets have performed there. 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.839 Where are the concerns on that side of the football 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:43.399 in terms of consistency, if not playmaking ability or let's 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.400 go a little further, taking the football away from the 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:47.280 other team's offense. 0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.760 Yeah, there are things that the Patriots can exploit because 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:55.440 this Jets defense is not complicated, and the Patriots are 0:47:55.480 --> 0:48:00.200 coming off a game against a brilliant young defense of 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:04.279 mine and McDonald who that's how he got the job 0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:09.880 because in Baltimore, all the complicated games that baffle deposing 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:13.480 quarterbacks where you know, with fake pressure, real pressure, all 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.759 the things he did. It's really the opposite of what 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:19.000 the Jets do. The Jets just do what they do. 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:22.040 You know, they attack you. Like I said, they play 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.320 the run on the way to the quarterback. But there 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:29.120 this susceptibility there. There was a long scramble up the 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:33.680 middle by will Levis in Tennessee and I'll never forget, 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:35.759 you know, Bill Belichick and a lot of coaches do, 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:37.960 but he would, he would stress, and I'm sure the 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.719 new Patriots coaches stressed. You don't run past the quarterback. 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:44.879 You just don't do that because when the both when 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.680 both ends run past the quarterback, you basically now have 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:51.160 nine guys on defense. So on that play where Levis 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:54.120 ran for a lot of yards up the middle, both 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:57.239 ends ran past the quarterback. You know, Quincy Williams is 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:00.960 a good player, but he's so aggressive that sometimes he'll 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:04.520 run himself out of play. So that's what Van Pelton 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:07.520 needs to do in terms of play calling. Make them 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:09.840 go for the cheese and take themselves out of position, 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.319 or if they run too far upfield, Jacoby's going to 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:15.920 take off and run and Jacoby had success against the 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.480 Jets in a recent game in Cleveland. So this is 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:23.040 not a complicated defense. It's not the one that's going 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.799 to baffle you with the schemes, and you need to 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:29.160 take advantage of the simplicity and you've got to, you know, 0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:32.520 come up with ways to find the holes in the scheme. 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.200 And the Jets are a little banged up, as you 0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:38.399 mentioned before. They could be without their second corner, Dj Reed, 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:42.040 who's dealing with the knee, and their slot corner who 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.200 just got paid, who's very good, Michael Carter. He's got 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.200 a high ankle sprain that's going to probably be a 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:50.560 problem on an awful year, and on a short week. 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.840 You wonder if both those guys might be inactive, and 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.520 that could really help the Patriots passing game. Those two 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:56.720 guys are very good players. 0:49:57.160 --> 0:49:59.279 So we see whether or not you know, the Jet 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:02.920 the chess another Jets can actually play contain, and what 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:06.799 another Patriots can take advantage of lack of contained. So good, 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:10.400 there's some good, there's some good back and forth here. Finally, 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:12.719 then Dan, I got to ask the obvious question. You know, 0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:15.799 last year the Jets snap a you know, an over 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:20.000 streak against the Patriots and winning here in Foxborough, but 0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:23.320 the Patriots haven't lost. It meant life to the Jets 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:26.440 since twenty fifteen. Anybody mentioned that this week. 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:30.400 Yeah, that was brought up quite a bit to the 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:34.640 Jet players. And it's weird these days in the NFL 0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:39.000 because the rosters turnover so much, and people say, well, 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:41.399 the Jets have missed the playoffs thirteen years in a row, 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.239 and that's not good obviously, and that's currently tied with 0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:48.880 the Buffalo Sabers as the longest streak in any professional 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.880 sports league. But most of these players really have nothing 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.920 to do with it, but that doesn't stop people like 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:55.920 us from asking them. 0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:56.560 No. 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.160 So that is a big That was a big talking 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:02.760 point this week as far as you know the Jets 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:06.320 staffing that streak. But I just think with Rogers everything 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:10.000 is so different as far as the way he goes 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:13.479 to the line and milks the clock almost down to zero. 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:17.080 They took, they'll take, they'll take delay against penalties every 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.879 once in a while, which nobody wants. But he's trying 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:23.040 to read what you're doing. And against the Patriots defense, 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.480 I don't know a ton about the coordinator one way 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:26.960 or the other. You know a lot more about him 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:31.640 than I do, but against the young coordinator who's kind 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.120 of new to the position. There's an old thing in 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:38.319 football about veteran quarterbacks that they'll read your mail at 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.400 the line, and Patriots have to be careful that Rogers 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:44.600 doesn't come to the line and read their mail consistently 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:47.759 in terms of what they're doing on defense, because he 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:49.960 will take advantage of that. And that's why I think 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:52.400 the Jets win this game. If they had one of 0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:54.960 their previous two quarterbacks, I'd probably picked the Patriots. But 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:57.880 some of the stuff Rogers did last week against Tennessee 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.960 was just stuff. I have to see her out of 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:05.040 here in a really long time. Competent, his ability to 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:07.920 change plays at the line, check off the better plays, 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:11.480 take advantage of coverage, mismatches, and things of that nature. 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.279 Big X factor there. You're talking about DeMarcus Covent, who's 0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:17.560 the first year defensive coordinator for the Patriots, and so 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:19.960 that kind of leads me then you know into what 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:23.520 you think or how you think this one might play out. 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:25.719 You know, frankly, I thought six and a half was 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:28.280 a bit high of a spread. I don't really expect 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:31.120 the Patriots myself to win the game. But I'd be 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.839 surprised if this wasn't a one score game that went 0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:35.160 down to the last possession. 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.600 What do you think, Well, you know it's always tough 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:43.839 on the road team on Thursday night football. You know 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.799 you're all banged up and you're also traveling. However, it's 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:50.360 such a short trip, so maybe it's not a big deal. 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:54.839 I just think that the way the Jets are playing 0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:59.520 on offense is something to consider as far as they're 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:04.239 getting better each week. And Robert said it after the game, 0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:06.439 and it wasn't just coach peak. They're going to get 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.640 better every week with Rogers and all these new players, 0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:11.600 a lot of them who he hasn't played with, like 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:14.439 Mike Williams. So I think it's going to get better 0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:16.600 every week. And I just think the Rogers factor is 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:21.040 the deciding factor in this game, because the Jets tend 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:24.440 to have problems with we go back to Tom Brady 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:28.480 over the years, or they have problems on defense against 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:34.680 the veteran quarterbacks that go through their progressions and find 0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:38.320 the holes in the defense. I'm not sure it presents 0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:40.400 that guy or if May plays at some point, if 0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.920 he's that guy. So I like the Jets defensively in 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:46.600 this game. I also like the Rogers factors, so I 0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:49.239 think the Jets. I think that Bread is just about right, 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:50.440 and I like the Jets. 0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:52.440 What if I told you that I think Drake May 0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:58.400 is going to play tomorrow, well. 0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.480 I would like to love to see him in person. 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:04.000 I don't know if he's ready. You know, you look 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:07.560 at what's going on with with Bryce Seeng and Caleb Williams, 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.719 and I think Drey has a huge ceiling, but I'm 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:12.600 not sure if the results will be any different if 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:17.160 he played this early. Then you know, Caleb Williams and 0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:19.120 obviously Bryce young in his second year but still a 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:21.520 young player. And I like Drake May. I just don't 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.080 know if he played this early, if the results would 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:26.360 be much better than what we're seeing from Caleb Williams. 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:29.200 Right now, understood? All right, Dan, thank you so much 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:31.799 for the time. Really appreciate it. Good luck the rest 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:32.959 of the way. I hope to talk to you again 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:37.160 soon anytime. John, Thank you very much. Dan Livererfeld, who 0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:41.920 covers the Jets for Jets Confidential dot Com, joining us 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:43.680 here in the playbook. Patriots fans, if you want to 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:47.319 see Toyota's best offers, including those not seen on TV, 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.920 you go to buy a Toyota dot com. 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Interesting points I think 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:30.480 there from Dan uh You know, always love getting insight 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.640 from the guys that cover a team on a day 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:35.759 in and day out basis. They cover it way more 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:38.040 closely than you or I or anybody else could get it, 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:39.719 no matter how much we read on the net. Right, 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:48.400 But he's in on Aaron Rodgers. And if the if 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:52.600 the Jets win Thursday, then it likely will be because 0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:54.759 Rogers is going to pitch them to victory. I would 0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:56.800 tell you that I agree with them one hundred percent. 0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:59.600 If one of those other two quarterbacks were a quarterback 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:01.640 in that team right now over the last couple of years, 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:03.759 I'd say, yeah, the Patriots have a good chance to 0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:07.040 you know, go too, and one very good chance. As 0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:12.120 it stands, even though Rogers is in there, I still 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:15.120 right now kind of feel like the Patriots are going 0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:17.760 to cover that six and a half. Patriots are already 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:19.520 two and zero against the spread, even though they're one 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.560 and one in the season. They've covered the spread in 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:28.360 both games, and I believe the Patriots are oh gosh, well, no, 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:30.920 the one that I heard that that's an eye opener 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:34.000 for me. The Jets are one in seven against the 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:41.319 spread at home in their last eight primetime games, So 0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:45.120 that tells me, you know, okay, maybe they don't or 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:47.640 they're not operating correctly under the lights. I don't know. 0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.080 I don't know. I agree with that. I generally believe 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.240 on a Thursday night game, when you're doing the traveling, 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:54.920 you're playing the short week, that I do think it 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:58.399 is intrinsically hard for you to bounce back. The one 0:56:58.400 --> 0:56:59.879 thing the Jets have going for them is the fact 0:56:59.880 --> 0:57:02.520 that they are playing this game and their familiar confidence, 0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:05.520 so they're not moving. But if some of those guys 0:57:05.520 --> 0:57:07.480 that Dan was talking about, and this was the interesting 0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:11.640 part I found out he was he mentioned the very 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:15.480 strong possibility, uh, that a guy like Michael Carter might 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:18.680 be hobbled, that a guy like DJ Reid might be hobbled. 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:21.920 Don't yet know what their availability would be, at least uh, 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:29.040 based on what I've seen thus far. You know, Quinn 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:30.960 Williams is the one that I love. I'd love to 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:32.840 have Quinn Williams the Patriot, you know, for I think 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:36.280 he's a stud, he's a stuffer, He's exactly what you need. 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:38.880 And you know, so that's that's the guy that you know, 0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:41.720 I think is their their their top effort, and you're 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.480 going to see the Patriots probably try to avoid that 0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:45.720 guy or maybe even double on him. This is where 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:49.400 zone blocking, which we saw that one big play that 0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:53.840 Gibson busted last week against UH Seattle that was on 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:57.560 his own play zone blocking play, and I'd like to 0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:00.000 see them try to seal off a guy like william 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:02.920 and bust something outside with Gibson and or Stevens. I 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:07.280 think that's where you might have some success, especially as 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.560 Dan pointed out, the problem with the Jets defensively the 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:15.400 first couple of weeks is their over pursuits. They're already 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.720 too far in the backfield. This is also the problem 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:21.400 that I've seen at least early that Keon White has. 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:26.400 Sometimes he doesn't contain well. So the Jets theory is, yeah, 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:27.920 we want to rush the quarterback, but we got to 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:32.400 also defend the run along the way. It sounds overly simplistic, 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:36.840 but it's not easy to do. So if that's their tack, 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:41.280 then something's going to be open somewhere. And if it's 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:47.200 over the top, if it's in the middle, okay, And 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:49.320 if you don't have Jacobi Brissette, get him to get 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:52.120 them the ball or he can't connect, or he overthrows 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:54.840 them or he underthrows them or throws a pick or whatever. 0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:00.160 I think it's all kind of adding up to when 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.160 I opened the program with today. I think there's a 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:06.640 possibility that if things don't go well in the first 0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:10.920 I don't know, quarter half, you could see Drake Man, 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:12.600 you could see it. I think you know that that 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:17.560 would be uh, that would be a possibility. All right, 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:19.919 eight five five pats done. 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:23.600 I can't find their home record. But last forty games 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.320 all time against the spread, they're eighteen twenty one in one. 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:31.160 So see, there you go, eighteen twenty one in one 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:33.600 over the last forty against the spread at. 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:36.960 Home, No, not at home, just all time, oh all time. 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:38.480 I can't find that home number. I'd have to break 0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:38.760 it down. 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.640 Oh you mean against the Patriots or just just just 0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:44.680 the Jets against the spread? Oh so so they over that? 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:47.880 So last forty games. We're talking about two and a 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:52.560 half seasons, right, eighteen twenty one and one against the spread? Okay, 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:57.000 I mean I would kind of lean that way if 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:58.640 if I were doing that, I would kind of lean 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.880 that way. Now, well, you tell me the Patriots are 1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:03.840 going to turn the ball over twice or three times, 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:06.200 which they haven't done yet this year, and that certainly 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:08.200 kept him in both games, right, I mean, they've got 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.240 to win on the road, and they did go to 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.880 overtime with you know, at least a decent Seattle team, 1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:14.960 not a great Seattle team, a decent team, but a 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:19.040 team that should likely be in the postseason hunt. You're 1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:21.160 not that far away from being in the hunt yourself, 1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:24.120 I would argue, again, as I said off the top 1:00:24.160 --> 1:00:26.560 that the Patriots shot themselves in the foot, especially with 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:28.480 that play call at the end of the first tap. 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:31.840 The clock management was horrible. But I think that if 1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:34.720 you're thinking, well, you got, you know, a young team, 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:36.480 you got young players, you got to realize you got 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:39.520 a young coach here that has to make these calls, 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:41.760 and so I think at least initially, you got to 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:44.840 cut him a little bit of slack until he learns 1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:48.560 what he should be doing in these situations. So let's 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:52.000 just say that maybe this last week was a learning 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:53.840 lesson for a guy like Girod. When it comes to 1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:56.680 the clock management story. You can certainly make that argument, 1:00:56.720 --> 1:01:00.160 I think, but I gotta go harder on you here. 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:05.240 I'm just like, Okay, that can't happen again. That can't 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:08.320 happen again. If you're if you're bound and determined to 1:01:08.400 --> 1:01:11.400 play football the way that you've come out playing over 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:14.120 the first couple of weeks, I think it's okay. You're 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.120 playing to the strengths of your team. Your lion can block, 1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:20.000 rush block, run block better than they can pass block, 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:22.000 and then you're gonna run the ball. But at some 1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:24.240 point in time, someone's gonna stack the line. They're gonna, 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.200 you know, clog the box and they're gonna make you 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:28.120 go over the top to beat you. And I think 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:31.600 that could happen Thursday night against the Jets. You gotta 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:36.200 be ready and a preset can't do it. Next man up, 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:44.080 That's all I'm saying. Next man up. Chris Mason covers 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:48.080 the Patriots for mass Live. Masslive dot Com joins us 1:01:48.080 --> 1:01:50.440 here in the playbook. Hey, Chris, how's it going today? 1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:51.880 It's great. 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:52.560 Thanks for having me on. 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:55.040 Sure, thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it. So 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:57.680 I kind of went out in a limb a little 1:01:57.680 --> 1:02:00.520 bit here and call me crazy. You're perfectly welcome to 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:03.880 do that. But if things don't go well for the 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:06.600 Patriots Thursday night, at least don't start well once, say 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:12.040 they get into a hole and Jacoby Brissette overthrows, underthrows, 1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:16.640 doesn't throw to his receivers. I think Drake May makes 1:02:16.640 --> 1:02:18.840 his debut. What do you think. 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:21.960 I think he might be a little crazy. 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:22.800 I like it. 1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:26.040 I like it, just I do not think they want 1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:28.840 to put him behind the offensive line right now, especially 1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:32.680 with the Darien low out city so out. David and 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:35.520 Mike and Wanner are both questionable. I think with the 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:38.160 state of that offensive line and that Jets defensive front, 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:40.919 I think the only way he's getting into that game 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:42.120 is if Jacoby gets hurt. 1:02:42.480 --> 1:02:44.520 Well, that could also happen because he got banged up 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:45.880 against the Seahawks. 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:48.960 Yeah, no, that's certainly good. That's an avenue. But I 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:50.600 don't think they're going to give Jacoby the hook in 1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:52.400 this game and just say we want to see what 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:54.960 Drake king you now. I just don't think that the 1:02:55.000 --> 1:02:57.360 way the offense is built right now, I don't think 1:02:57.360 --> 1:02:58.080 that's going to happen. 1:02:58.120 --> 1:02:59.800 And you know what, Jacobe does aar. 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:02.440 I was actually diving into some numbers earlier about the 1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:05.840 downfield struggles and everything. So far, he's only attempted two 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:10.120 passes more than twenty yards, which, honestly, if you can 1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:12.040 even remember the two, you're like, I don't. 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:13.920 Know, I don't remember, incredibly low. 1:03:14.040 --> 1:03:18.400 Right, they're both in completions. But even with those short dropbacks, 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:20.760 he's been hurried twenty one times, which is tenth most 1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:22.720 in the league. He's been hit ten times, which. 1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:23.200 Is fifth most. 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:25.800 He's been bled down on twenty two point six percent 1:03:25.800 --> 1:03:28.200 of his dropbacks, which is the third most in the league. 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:30.600 I think this is an offensive line issue more than 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.240 quarterbacks slay than anything right now, where I think about 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:35.320 what those numbers would be like if there are longer 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:37.680 developing roots. You know, he's getting hit even more so 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:39.320 they need to figure it out up front. 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:41.880 But does his standar reason that a guy like Drake 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:44.160 may can get rid of the football quicker, that maybe 1:03:44.160 --> 1:03:45.640 that won't be as much of an issue as we're 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:46.320 thinking it could be. 1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:49.440 I don't really think so, just because at this point 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:51.840 I think Drake is going to have a tougher time 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:54.120 reading these defenses. You know, he was out there looking 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:56.520 in the preseason. Yep, that's all vanilla. If anything, I 1:03:56.520 --> 1:03:57.960 think Jacoby will be able to get the ball out 1:03:58.000 --> 1:03:59.720 quicker because he knows what he's supposed to do with it, 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:02.360 opposed to if Drake gets thrown to that fire. I 1:04:02.400 --> 1:04:04.160 don't know that a quicker release is what we're gonna 1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:04.720 end up seeing. 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:08.960 Yeah, good point. My concern is though, that the Jets, 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:11.440 you know, you know, fill up the box, load up 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.360 the box, and the Patriots can't move the ball and 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:18.200 Jacoby overthrows receivers or they get locked up or what 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:20.640 have you. Or you know, they challenge sauce gardener and 1:04:20.680 --> 1:04:23.240 he gets a pick or something like that, then I'm 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:25.720 not sure what the next step would be other than 1:04:25.760 --> 1:04:28.080 to throw a change of pace. You know, it's like 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:31.760 a relief pitcher coming in and throwing a slider or 1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:34.120 a curveball or an off speed pitch of some kind, 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:37.480 because you know, when you keep throwing fastballs and you 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:39.840 keep whacking fastballs, you got to change it up. 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:42.440 Yeah, but I think it might be on Alex Van 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:44.640 Pelt to be the one to throw that slider, that 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:46.640 change up, whatever you want to call it there where. 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:48.440 I think you can do that with play calling to 1:04:48.440 --> 1:04:50.080 some degree. You know, if they're loading the box, they're 1:04:50.120 --> 1:04:52.360 coming with their ears pinned back and they're listening it 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:55.919 on throw screen passes, you know, try try different things. 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:59.160 There's countermoves that you can have at this point. So 1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:01.160 I think that to fall on Van Pelt at a 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:03.760 certain point to you know, get the right plays in 1:05:03.800 --> 1:05:06.480 there and call for a slider if you need one. 1:05:06.920 --> 1:05:09.280 Well, one of the guys that I think certainly will 1:05:09.280 --> 1:05:11.880 have to play a key role again and putting pressure 1:05:11.960 --> 1:05:13.880 on on a guy like Aaron Rodgers has to be 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:16.680 key on White. I know you did a feature recently 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:19.240 on key On for Mess Live, and I'm just curious 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:21.320 as to when you you know, when you hear the kid, 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:23.840 when you hear him talk, there's a lot of great 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:28.080 self confidence in his voice. What do you think makes 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:31.480 him tick? What do you think really drives him? Is 1:05:31.520 --> 1:05:34.480 it just you know that he enjoys the sport. Is 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:37.080 there a something about him, you know, playing with a 1:05:37.160 --> 1:05:39.600 chip on his shoulder? Is he that much of a 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:42.480 physical mismatch for some of the guys that he's matched up? Again, 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.000 where is he getting a success from do you think? 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:48.800 I think it's some bit is his physical makeup where 1:05:48.800 --> 1:05:50.680 he definitely has the build. But more than anything, I 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:53.240 think he wants to be elite and he is really 1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:56.120 just kind of hell bent on doing that however he can. 1:05:56.640 --> 1:05:58.680 One thing that caught my ear over the summer was 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.560 that I would watch the O line D line pass 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:03.240 rush drills all the time when they would do the 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:06.160 one on ones. Yeah, and early in camp, Kiwan wasn't 1:06:06.200 --> 1:06:08.480 winning a ton of those, but it's because he was 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:11.320 going against Mike on WINNU every time, And in talking 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.320 to him after, he was like, yeah, I kept seeking 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:15.280 Mike out because he's our best off at the climate. 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:17.520 I want to get better. And I also told myself 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:19.560 that I wasn't allowed to bull rush against him. I 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:21.720 which that's his bread and butter. That's his best is 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:23.800 his bull rush because he has natural strength. But he's saying, 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:26.240 I want to get better at these other moves, and 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:28.160 so in trying to do that, you know, he seeks 1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:29.680 out the biggest kid on the block and it's like, 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:32.200 let's see what I can do against him. So I 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:34.720 think it's that drive, and I think he really wants 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:37.400 to be great, and he does the things where you know, 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:39.280 he's not afraid to look bad or lose a one 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:40.840 on one drill if he knows that it's going to 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:43.080 help him in September. And so I think there's some 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:44.800 humility there that goes a long way too. 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:47.160 Well, that's I kind of noticed that as well. The humility. 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:48.840 I think that's a great word that you pick up on, 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:51.240 and I think that's what you look for when you're 1:06:51.240 --> 1:06:54.040 trying to cultivate new leadership and then they're clearly is 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:58.520 a leadership void now because your defensive captain is gone 1:06:58.680 --> 1:07:02.040 with you know, Juwan Bentley, he's untimely injured this past week. 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:04.959 So is White the kind of gad that you know unexpectedly, 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:07.200 might you know, fill that void if he's you know, 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:09.680 able to continue to play and be effective. 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:14.080 Definitely. And he really caught my ear on Sunday, So 1:07:15.200 --> 1:07:17.680 spill the curtain back a little. He was early. Keon 1:07:17.800 --> 1:07:19.160 was early. He was one of the guys that was 1:07:19.160 --> 1:07:21.480 going to speak to the media at the podium. Keon 1:07:21.640 --> 1:07:23.280 was early there, so he just sat in the front 1:07:23.320 --> 1:07:25.800 row and listened to the end of Jacoby's press conference. 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:28.920 He clearly didn't like Jacoby's tone or like the way 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:30.880 that he was taking some blame. So he got up 1:07:30.920 --> 1:07:34.320 there and he said, look, first things first, our offense 1:07:34.360 --> 1:07:36.520 didn't have to win this game today. As a defense, 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:38.880 we need to play better. I need to play better. 1:07:38.960 --> 1:07:41.120 And then he goes through and names like defensive line 1:07:41.160 --> 1:07:43.120 needs to better, linebackers need to be better, dbs need 1:07:43.160 --> 1:07:44.840 to be better. And this is a guy that was 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:47.840 quiet as a rookie. He's really quiet. But to see 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:51.000 him in the second year, not only you know, speaking 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:54.160 for the entire defense, but challenging him too, that caught 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:56.240 my ear really and I was like, Okay, they might 1:07:56.320 --> 1:07:59.080 have something here, and John Mayo singles them out as 1:07:59.120 --> 1:08:01.320 someone whose leadership is grown too. So I think you're 1:08:01.320 --> 1:08:02.560 starting to see that in real time. 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:07.880 Nine pressures against the Seahawks, nine of them. Now you know, 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:10.640 he you know, had a sack and a half. But 1:08:10.720 --> 1:08:13.720 I'm just you know, how do you convert the pressures 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:16.560 into sacks? What do you see where it's lacking that 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:18.880 he might be able to, you know, flip the switch 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:20.800 on and come up with a couple extra sacks here. 1:08:22.120 --> 1:08:24.240 So some of that it's really interesting where I thought 1:08:24.320 --> 1:08:26.560 that he probably played better against the Seahawks than he 1:08:26.600 --> 1:08:28.360 did against the Bengals where he was get against the 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:30.400 Bengals in the opener. He finished that game with two 1:08:30.439 --> 1:08:33.280 and a half sacks, you know. So some it's just subjective. 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:36.439 And if he's beating his guy so badly up the middle, 1:08:36.720 --> 1:08:39.200 that's going to inherently force the quarterback out of the pocket, 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:41.120 which I think he saw Geno Smith on at least 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:43.640 one occasion where suddenly he's running right into the edge 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:46.200 rusher and maybe that's Shashu j maybe that's whoever's there. 1:08:46.200 --> 1:08:48.880 It gets the sack. So I think at a certain 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:51.360 point the pressures are almost. I'm not going to say 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:52.960 they're more valuable than the sacks, right, if you bring 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:55.040 the guy down, you bring the guy down. But if 1:08:55.040 --> 1:08:57.000 you're helping the teammate get a sack, you might not 1:08:57.040 --> 1:08:59.880 get into the box store. But it's your pass rush 1:08:59.880 --> 1:09:01.160 that really keep the entire thing. 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:03.360 And we've seen that from him and I think that's 1:09:03.400 --> 1:09:06.599 actually where his value to this defense is. He can 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:08.360 get in there so quickly, and I know he's been 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:10.599 working on some of those sweet moves and the speed 1:09:10.640 --> 1:09:13.760 moves rather than the bull rush that you mentioned. Uh man, 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:15.960 you do that, that's going to open up some opportunities 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:18.320 for anybody else who can you know, beat their man 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:19.440 at the line of scrimmage. 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:23.280 Yeah, definitely. And it's it's funny. It's like, after watching 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:25.640 Tom Brady for so many years, the way to get 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:28.560 him off the game most was like interior pressure. You know, 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:30.200 if you can get pressure through the A gap and 1:09:30.240 --> 1:09:32.360 he can't sit in the pocket anymore, that's when you 1:09:32.439 --> 1:09:35.360 start to really like rattle at quarterback like that. And 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:38.320 I think with Keon and the ability to rush the 1:09:38.360 --> 1:09:40.880 way he has from the interior, you're gonna see some 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:43.519 good things happen where quarterbacks aren't coachbable sitting in the pocket, 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:45.880 stepping up, and I think that's gonna lead to more 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:47.320 sacks for everyone on that defense. 1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:49.439 You know, a guy like Aaron Rodgers who they'll be 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:51.559 going up against, you know, a quarterback with that kind 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.200 of veteran savvy that he has. I don't know that 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.799 he has the elusiveness that a guy like Gino Smith. 1:09:57.040 --> 1:09:58.960 You know, certainly, you know, showed that he can, you know, 1:09:59.040 --> 1:10:02.519 still possess last week. But at the same time, you 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:06.880 got stuff upstairs that sometimes can't be measured. What would 1:10:06.880 --> 1:10:08.920 be the biggest way to really you think that maybe 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:12.400 for this Patriot team to try to give Rogers trouble 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:15.160 because for a forty year old guy, he's seen it 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:16.000 all pretty much. 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:18.640 I think a big part of the if they can 1:10:18.720 --> 1:10:21.760 just generate pressure by rushing four and that's a big thing, 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:23.760 just because, like you said, you're not gonna fool him. 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:28.080 You know, he's seen everything. Sorry, my thought's trying to 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:29.479 hop on the coll fume he. 1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:33.120 He can he bring him on. It's all right, it's 1:10:33.120 --> 1:10:36.799 a family show. And yeah it includes pets too. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:37.200 There you go. 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:42.200 But I think if you can get pressure with four 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:44.599 and drop back into coverage to some degree. I think 1:10:44.640 --> 1:10:50.160 that's your roadmap to success there, because I don't think 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:52.040 you're going to fool him with exotic coverages. I don't 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:53.760 think you're gonna fol him with a lot of blitzes. 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:55.280 But if you can get your if you can get 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:57.960 pressure with your front, then I think that's gonna be 1:10:58.000 --> 1:10:58.639 a major key. 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:01.479 Yeah for sure. All right, And so then you know, 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:03.519 I think we kind of expect the Patriots to do, 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:06.559 you know, hopefully what they've done well thus far. I 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:11.120 expect the Jets to counter. So how do the Patriots recounter. 1:11:12.800 --> 1:11:14.840 I think they should start using more play action than 1:11:14.880 --> 1:11:16.840 they have where if, like you said, they're going to 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:18.160 load the box, you know, they know they want to 1:11:18.200 --> 1:11:20.000 run the ball. Drod has told everyone we want to 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:22.519 run the ball. Okay, start running more play actions. They've 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:25.240 only run twelve play action plays through two games, which 1:11:25.240 --> 1:11:27.040 is it's down low. I think it's like twenty eighth 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:29.240 in the league. With the running game going the way 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:31.840 it is, linebackers are going to bite on that. You know, 1:11:32.040 --> 1:11:34.320 it is a valuable tool. So I'd like to see 1:11:34.320 --> 1:11:36.639 more play action and I think that's an easy adjustment 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:38.639 that they could make and that might buy some more 1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:40.479 time for some downfield for us to progress. You know, 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:43.360 he's using the linebackers and boom. 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:44.880 Are you also in the corner of the got to 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:46.559 figure out a way any way you can to get 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:49.960 Pop Douglas the ball a little bit more, definitely, And. 1:11:49.960 --> 1:11:52.479 I'm surprised that that hasn't been happening, just because they're 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:54.680 not throwing downfield and he's one of those guys that 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:57.839 gets open on the plant route, the under routes, anything 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:01.439 all the time. So I'm kind of hasn't seen more targets, 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:03.720 especially because it looked like he had some really good 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:07.200 chemistry going with Jacoby Drake. Honestly, any quarterback there in 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:09.000 the summer, he was like their best friend. He just 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:10.639 gets open in a way that a lot of other 1:12:10.680 --> 1:12:11.200 guys don't. 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:14.680 Is that is that a Brissette problem or is that 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:17.960 an alex Unpelt problem. 1:12:19.479 --> 1:12:22.439 It's like situational. I think it's a little of both, honestly, 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:24.720 where I do think Jacoby has to look its way 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:28.840 more than he has been. But if teams are doubling him, 1:12:28.880 --> 1:12:31.160 then eventually someone else has to get open too. That's 1:12:31.200 --> 1:12:33.840 the thing with like the whole receiving corps hasn't given 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:36.080 you enough so far. It's kind of crazy that year 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:39.160 one on one could be two and oh here given 1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:40.960 the contributions from wide receivers thus. 1:12:40.800 --> 1:12:43.360 Far right, Okay, so what do you think then happens 1:12:43.360 --> 1:12:45.439 tomorrow night? You know, the Patriots are going to a 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:48.760 place they haven't lost since twenty fifteen. They had a 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:51.639 fifteen game winning streak snap last year when the Jets 1:12:51.680 --> 1:12:55.519 won here at Gillette. What's it obviously going to take 1:12:55.560 --> 1:12:58.400 in your estimation for them to continue winning ways on 1:12:58.439 --> 1:12:58.960 the road here? 1:13:00.880 --> 1:13:02.280 I think the Jets are going to win this game 1:13:02.360 --> 1:13:04.720 just given the state of the Patriots offensive line right now, 1:13:04.800 --> 1:13:06.840 where you know they struggle to begin the year in 1:13:06.920 --> 1:13:09.639 pass pro, and now you're down to Darien Lowe shoots 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:11.800 a cor force not with the team anymore. You're Kiden 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:14.519 Wallace into the fire. And then you have David Andrews 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:18.200 Mike on went who banged up. So best case scenario, 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:20.280 you're able to run the ball squeak out a low 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:23.080 scoring win. But the Patriots defense is going to have 1:13:23.080 --> 1:13:25.000 to play a huge game for that to happen, because 1:13:25.080 --> 1:13:26.400 I don't think the offense is going to score a 1:13:26.439 --> 1:13:27.519 lot of points in this one. 1:13:28.200 --> 1:13:30.040 Yeah, I'm kind of there with you on that one, 1:13:30.040 --> 1:13:31.880 which is why I'd like to see them, you know, 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:34.960 throw a change up that nobody expects, even if you know, 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:37.320 even if it's only a package of plays, I think 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:40.000 it would be certainly put some juice in the thing. 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:43.320 Chris Mason covers the Patriots from mass Live mass live 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:46.200 dot com. Thanks for joining us, Chris, appreciate you. 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:47.040 Thanks for having me on. 1:13:47.120 --> 1:13:49.040 You got it all right. So there's Chris. You can 1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:53.639 get him on X at buy Chris Mason. Be why 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:56.680 Chris Mason. That's where you get him on X If 1:13:56.680 --> 1:13:58.479 you want to follow his stuff, you get a chance 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.439 to do that, all right. So so interesting though that 1:14:01.760 --> 1:14:05.160 everybody so far and the two reporters that we've talked to, 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:08.080 But it just seems to me that nobody expects the 1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:11.760 Patriots to win this game. I mean, I don't think 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:17.559 the Jets are all that, do you. I mean, I 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:20.360 feel better about this game than I did last week 1:14:20.400 --> 1:14:23.880 against Seattle, and I actually thought the Patriots would win 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:25.880 last week. I didn't make a prediction or anything, but 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:28.000 I just I kind of felt like this was a 1:14:28.040 --> 1:14:30.280 really good opportunity for them to sneak up on some people. 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:33.840 And frankly, if they had just been smarter than I 1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:36.680 think they win that game in regulation. It was a 1:14:36.680 --> 1:14:38.639 great football game. It went right down to the end. 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:42.760 Obviously you go into overtime, but then you leave the game, 1:14:42.840 --> 1:14:45.360 you leave the stadium thinking, wow, did they blew that? 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:51.000 They blew that? So how do they unblow it against 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:54.080 the Jets, because they've had karma going against the Jets 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:58.000 for at least the last ten years, if not more. 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:03.719 Just I you know, listen, if you play a clean game, 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:05.880 in other words, you don't turn it over, and you 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:09.240 don't commit stupid penalties, and you can keep from brain 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:12.920 farting like they did with clock management at the end 1:15:12.920 --> 1:15:15.519 of the first half. And again I'm saying a lot 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:18.599 of stuff that if if IF and I mentioned early 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:20.479 in the program today. As you know, the margin of 1:15:20.600 --> 1:15:26.040 error is really thin for this team, but they make 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:29.479 one mistake and it costs them, and they play cleanly, 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:31.280 and they went on the road against a pretty good 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:35.920 Cincinnati team. Although Cincinnati zero and two, you know, through 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:37.759 no fault of their own. I mean, you know, they 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:40.880 I think they underestimated the Patriots, and then you know, 1:15:41.000 --> 1:15:43.240 Kansas City is going to Kansas City Chiefs are going 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:45.719 to a chief you know, and they last second field 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:47.960 goal beats them. And so now the Bengals are zero 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:49.799 and two for a second straight year, which is crazy. 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:51.479 But you know, I don't think they're a bad football 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:55.240 team at all. I got a lot of talent. I 1:15:55.280 --> 1:16:00.439 don't know. I just I feel like this team is 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:03.880 in position to win. You can see it, and I 1:16:03.960 --> 1:16:06.080 know the initial thought is is you don't want to 1:16:06.160 --> 1:16:09.280 rush it. You can see progress, it's there. And yeah, 1:16:09.280 --> 1:16:10.760 there's a lot of little things that we like to 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:14.040 nitpick on. Remember when we used to do nitpick Tuesdays 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:15.559 here on the show, and we just sit here and 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:17.599 you know, and you know we're gonna do nothing. You know, hey, 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:19.320 well they won the game, didn't they. But we found 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:21.599 all these little things that we could nitpick on and 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:23.760 that you know, could use improvement. And I think you know, 1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:27.559 when you're winning and you're you're you're going to super 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:31.080 Bowls and you're winning championships, that it's easy to nitpick 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:34.599 because you you you can identify the things that are 1:16:34.600 --> 1:16:37.800 going wrong because there's so few and far between. But 1:16:37.920 --> 1:16:41.679 when the winning isn't occurring with regularity like you did 1:16:41.840 --> 1:16:46.760 just a few short years ago. You've got all these 1:16:46.880 --> 1:16:49.840 nitpicks to choose from, and so now, you know, I 1:16:49.880 --> 1:16:51.599 think the goal here is to find the ones that 1:16:51.680 --> 1:16:55.880 are really costing you games. And and these are not 1:16:55.920 --> 1:16:58.439 really nitpicks. They're probably more like fundamental flaws. 1:16:59.520 --> 1:16:59.760 Uh. 1:16:59.840 --> 1:17:02.800 And the you know, the largest fundamental flaw that we 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:04.720 can find, I think, and we can all pretty much 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:07.439 agree on this one is, you know, play on the 1:17:07.479 --> 1:17:13.040 offensive line. But you know, if if they can get 1:17:13.040 --> 1:17:15.160 one of these rookies to come and play, Caden Wallace 1:17:15.240 --> 1:17:16.880 is gonna get that chance. It looks like, you know, 1:17:16.920 --> 1:17:19.920 tomorrow night. So nothing like throwing a rookie into the 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:22.639 end of the fire, at least initially. If you get 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:25.960 a cold, strange back before you know, all of a 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:30.559 sudden done, you know, then you're automatically gonna have more depth, 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:33.600 more ability. If you can continue to develop the you know, 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:36.519 get cities so back from his injury as well, then 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:39.360 that the depth automatically increases. And you've got some guys 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:41.760 that have some ability, but it just takes them some 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:44.320 time to be able to gel together. Keep in mind 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:48.719 now on the offensive line. You got five guys, two tackles, 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:51.360 two guards to the center who have to play as a 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:53.639 single unit. They got to play in concert with each other. 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:56.040 They gotta move together. They gotta know the calls. They 1:17:56.080 --> 1:17:58.200 gotta know which way they're blocking. They gotta know past block, 1:17:58.280 --> 1:17:59.880 run block, they gotta know where they're gott to seal. 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:02.200 You know, there's a lot of things they have to 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.200 do together. And if the five guys aren't able to 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:08.160 be together on it, one guy fails on his job, 1:18:08.479 --> 1:18:11.880 the team probably isn't going to move the ball. So 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:15.559 when you talk about being in sync, it's the offensive 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:19.400 line that's being sync more than any other positional place 1:18:20.920 --> 1:18:22.880 on the football team. And I would argue the secondary 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:24.439 is next. And we saw what a blow up and 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:26.800 the secondary can do. It costs you a score that 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:31.240 ultimately cost you the game this past Sunday. So the 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:35.200 offensive line is really the challenge. How do you mitigate 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:41.640 the issues that you have within the offensive line? And 1:18:41.720 --> 1:18:43.760 I think that's where the Patriots are and I think 1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:46.880 that's where you know, a guy like Alex van Pelt 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:49.320 has to figure out a way and has been trying 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:50.760 to figure out a way for the first couple of 1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:53.320 weeks of the season. But now, you know, especially now 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:55.400 when you're you know, preparing for a Jets team that 1:18:56.800 --> 1:18:58.760 knows the Patriots are going to run the football, they 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:01.800 know it. How do you counter That's why I asked 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:04.320 the question earlier. How do you counteract that? What's your 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:10.280 what's your you know, what's your blowback? And uh, this 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:12.400 is this is a game for Alex van Pelt, I 1:19:12.439 --> 1:19:15.160 think to show all of us, you know, his ability, 1:19:15.200 --> 1:19:18.160 his creativity, his imagination, whatever it may be, in terms 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:21.320 of his ability to get guys open. And then if 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.240 he can get guys open and you go be Bressett 1:19:23.400 --> 1:19:27.000 can't connect with them, now you've got an entirely different issue. 1:19:28.000 --> 1:19:30.000 And so I think, you know, at least initially, that's 1:19:30.160 --> 1:19:33.680 that's where you know the Patriots can have success or 1:19:33.760 --> 1:19:36.679 lack thereof, is how creative can Alex van Pelt get 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:40.000 in trying to get some guys open? Uh so the quarterback, 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:44.599 whoever it is, can get the ball to them. Huge issue, 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:46.320 Patty and aguam, Hey. 1:19:46.120 --> 1:19:49.200 Patty, Hey, I'm sorry. 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:51.960 Let me your blowtorches on. 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:52.479 Buddy. 1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:54.920 You're are you who you? What are you welding? 1:19:57.520 --> 1:20:01.360 I'm just working on a refrigeration deck. 1:20:01.760 --> 1:20:03.360 Got you, okay, all right. 1:20:03.520 --> 1:20:06.639 I had my acetylene towards going. Sorry about that, sir. 1:20:08.800 --> 1:20:11.720 No worries at all, I hope I'm not interrupting anything. 1:20:12.640 --> 1:20:13.120 Not at all. 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:16.080 Okay, this is what I do, Baby, to listen to 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:18.800 Patriots dot Com Radio while I'm working. Not help the 1:20:18.880 --> 1:20:20.080 dago by a little bit quicker. 1:20:20.240 --> 1:20:23.360 Love it, love it, love it? So uh, what are 1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:25.040 your thoughts on on on tomorrow? 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:30.040 I don't have a really good feeling about the game tomorrow, John, 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:33.920 just because of coming out of last week's game, I 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:36.479 think pretty much, you know, I don't was just a 1:20:36.680 --> 1:20:41.240 kind of a phony Bologny projection of excuse me, of 1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:44.120 an injured injury report, but like all of our whole 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:50.160 starting line was on there. Yeah, it's and so far 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:52.639 through two games, Jacoby hasn't shown the ability to push 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:56.040 the ball down field. I do think we'll be able 1:20:56.080 --> 1:20:58.080 to run a little bit on this team. But I'll 1:20:58.080 --> 1:21:01.920 tell you what really scares me about the It's not 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:08.760 Aaron Rodgers, it's not Garrett Wilson, Mike Williams. It's it's 1:21:08.800 --> 1:21:10.080 Breece Hallum, Brelan Allen. 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:13.120 Yeah, and we didn't really touch on that a lot. 1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:15.559 But I really like Briess Hall. I think he's one 1:21:15.600 --> 1:21:17.920 of the best young, exciting running backs in the NFL. 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:21.880 He's he's got some elusiveness, he's got some strength. I 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:23.760 thought he was a really good player at Iowa State, 1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:27.200 you know, and now that he's rounding back into physical shape, uh, 1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:30.160 you know, after an injury, I I think he's a 1:21:30.280 --> 1:21:32.160 kind of a secret weapon for the Jets. 1:21:33.439 --> 1:21:33.639 Yeah. 1:21:34.439 --> 1:21:36.160 Same thing with Alan. I know he's a rookie, but 1:21:36.840 --> 1:21:39.200 I really liked him coming out of Wisconsin. This past year. 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:42.560 I was pissed, I was sorry, for lack of a 1:21:42.600 --> 1:21:45.240 better term, that the Jets drafted him with their in 1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:47.160 the third round because I wanted to see him here 1:21:47.160 --> 1:21:51.280 in Patriots flu. But I mean, that's that's coming gun, 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:52.639 and now we got to face him on the field 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:58.200 on Thursday night. Yeah, I mean, Rogers. One thing that 1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:01.479 might help us is that like he at least through 1:22:01.520 --> 1:22:04.439 two games, he doesn't look like he's as mobile as 1:22:04.479 --> 1:22:07.120 he used to be. Like he's he's basically just sitting 1:22:07.120 --> 1:22:09.000 back in the pocket, and he's still gets through the 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:12.080 ball quickly. I mean, he's still got the laser and 1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:14.040 he can put it pretty much wherever he wants to 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:17.559 put it on the field. But I think if our 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:23.120 secondary holds up and we're able to match these guys, 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:24.760 I mean, we should be able to get some decent 1:22:24.800 --> 1:22:26.559 pressure on him, especially if we can keep him in 1:22:26.560 --> 1:22:31.920 the pocket. But being as smart as he is, I 1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:34.479 think a lot of a lot of a lot of 1:22:34.520 --> 1:22:36.400 their offensive game plan I think is going to be 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:39.439 called at the line. Like I think if if we 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:42.439 load up the box to stop the run, he's probably 1:22:42.439 --> 1:22:44.639 going to push a quick one out there. If they 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:47.360 start playing the too deep that they've been playing for 1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:50.200 the majority of the defensive snaps over the two first 1:22:50.200 --> 1:22:51.920 two games, I think he's just going to hand the 1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:56.040 ball off and try and gash our defense. And I'm 1:22:56.080 --> 1:22:59.000 not expecting this one to be close just because because 1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:01.519 of everything I said, most because the lines banged up, 1:23:03.520 --> 1:23:07.000 and I mean I would like this to be another 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:09.800 kind of big Antonio Gibson game too, you know, take 1:23:09.840 --> 1:23:13.360 some pressure off for Madre. He had over what twenty 1:23:13.360 --> 1:23:17.400 five carries the first game nineteen last game. Yes, you know, 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:19.719 give him a little bit of a break the short week. 1:23:20.240 --> 1:23:23.200 You know, Gibson probably has fresher legs at this point 1:23:23.320 --> 1:23:27.240 just because he wasn't really utilizing the first game. I 1:23:27.280 --> 1:23:29.559 hate to say it, but I'm picking the Jets win. 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:33.280 I think they're gonna cover to twenty seven to thirteen. 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:39.559 Wow, and you think they're gonna cover, I'm gonna cover. 1:23:39.720 --> 1:23:43.360 I'm stunned by that, Patty, You're usually captain, you know, 1:23:43.439 --> 1:23:44.360 captain optimistic. 1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:49.280 I know I wear the footy pajama, the Patriots footy pajamas. 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:53.760 But I also like just just from trends, you know, 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:56.559 I try and look at trends more than anything. And 1:23:56.600 --> 1:24:00.680 that's why I thought they would beat Cincinnati in the 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:03.960 first week. That's why I thought they were going to 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:07.280 beat Seattle this past week. But uh, you know, Gino 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:10.759 Smith had other plans. Good on him. I mean, he's 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:15.800 he's played good and you know, he ever since he 1:24:15.800 --> 1:24:18.120 he went to Seattle's he's been a really good player. 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:21.439 And that's good for him, you know. But yeah, just 1:24:21.800 --> 1:24:27.080 it's it's just it's a whole conglomeration of everything this 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:29.120 week that I just I just got a bad feeling 1:24:29.200 --> 1:24:32.080 about this this game. And hopefully John I'll call on 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:36.439 Wednesday and say, Wow, I can't believe how wrong and stupid, well. 1:24:36.520 --> 1:24:39.799 I just wow, I'm just I'm really a little surprised 1:24:39.800 --> 1:24:42.400 by this because I felt exactly the opposite all week, 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:46.960 exactly the opposite. Oh wait, I'm like, you know, this 1:24:47.000 --> 1:24:51.280 is where this team sets puts the good foot forward 1:24:51.439 --> 1:24:54.160 this week. And I know it's a short week, it 1:24:54.280 --> 1:24:57.920 really kind of defies the odds, if you will. I 1:24:57.960 --> 1:25:00.200 think that what the papers do well on offense kind 1:25:00.240 --> 1:25:03.559 of plays into the Jets' hands in that regard. I 1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:05.959 just I just feel like, you know, because the Patriots 1:25:05.960 --> 1:25:10.800 were so damn close this past Sunday and they know 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:13.599 where they screwed up, that if you make just one 1:25:13.600 --> 1:25:16.960 little tweak here and there, you got an opportunity to 1:25:16.960 --> 1:25:19.360 play and win a game against a team that I 1:25:19.360 --> 1:25:22.559 don't think is as good as the Seahawks, at least 1:25:22.800 --> 1:25:25.920 right now. And again, I know we don't really we 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:29.400 really don't know again what a team is until your 1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:30.760 you know, at the halfway point of the year. I 1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:32.640 think traditionally that's when you know what kind of a 1:25:32.680 --> 1:25:35.559 team you have. But I just I just wow, I 1:25:35.600 --> 1:25:38.320 don't see it. And I've had every I had people coming, 1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:40.439 I had students coming in to my office today. I say, well, 1:25:40.439 --> 1:25:42.920 how beout. Are the Jets gonna beat the Patriots Thursday night? 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:46.160 And I'm like, do you think that's gonna happen? And 1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:48.120 then I'm like, yeah, I don't see them beating the Jets. 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:53.240 Aaron Rodgers, oh my god, he's all that, and I'm like, really, really, 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:57.360 I said, you realize now, Aaron Rodgers is forty. He's 1:25:57.400 --> 1:26:01.120 a man, He's forty, you know. So I mean, but 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:04.919 I'm just I'm a little surprised by that. I'm sensing 1:26:04.960 --> 1:26:11.000 a real Debbie Downer here that we're people are frustrated, 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:13.920 which is why I want to win the damn football game. 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:15.760 Drake may. 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:21.439 John was after last week's game too. I was like, 1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:23.439 I wasn't really that upset about it. I just kind 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:26.840 of went, it's growing pains. You know, they're a young team. 1:26:27.439 --> 1:26:31.240 It's well, you're taking insensibly, You're you're taking insensibly, Patty, 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:33.920 which I really appreciate out of you, But damn it, 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:36.200 I'm frustrated. I want WS. 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:41.600 I want WS two. I just I don't see it 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:45.439 happening this week. And you know what it's like, whenever 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:47.559 whenever I watched the Jets win a game, it's like 1:26:47.600 --> 1:26:49.639 I want to stab my eyeballs out with a fork. 1:26:49.720 --> 1:26:53.720 You know, it's it's terrible. I have this theory on 1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:56.720 that there's no such there's no such thing as a 1:26:56.760 --> 1:26:58.559 real Jets fan. There's only status. 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:03.719 By the way, stab your eyeballs out with a fork. 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:05.920 Pete Gillen, when he was a coaching probably his collar, 1:27:06.040 --> 1:27:08.200 used to tell me they're trying to scoop my eyeballs 1:27:08.200 --> 1:27:14.519 out with a spoon. God wide, a Lord, that's just 1:27:14.560 --> 1:27:18.360 an awful visual or like they're up. Wow. So I 1:27:18.360 --> 1:27:21.640 don't know, Okay, all right, I guess I get it. 1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:25.560 I just you know, I'm surprised. I'm just surprised. I 1:27:26.400 --> 1:27:29.000 give the Patriots, I mean, and guess what, you know what, 1:27:29.080 --> 1:27:31.520 I'm happy to may a cup, although I'll be unhappy. 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:34.759 But you know, if the Jets cover and they dominate 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:37.120 like you say they're going to dominate, well then you know, 1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:38.840 next week we come back on the show and we said, 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:42.479 totally misread that, Mike tea Ley, you know, call me 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:47.040 now for your free reading. It didn't work, frauds. 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:50.800 And and how many times is even I think up 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:54.080 until the last game of last season, like even with 1:27:54.280 --> 1:27:59.120 Mac Jones as our quarterback, did I say, yeah, they're 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:01.400 gonna win. It's the Jets. Come on, what have they 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:02.160 ever done anything? 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:04.680 Well, they would, They did split with the Jets last year, 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:07.360 and like I said earlier, they haven't lost at met 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:10.880 Life in you know, since twenty fifteen. That's nine years ago. 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:14.080 So they've had They've had great. They've had more success 1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:16.160 on the Rogans the Jets than any other team I 1:28:16.200 --> 1:28:17.280 can possibly. 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:22.320 Think of, so infamous Ryan Fit's Magic Game where we 1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:24.160 gave the ball to him in overtime. 1:28:24.280 --> 1:28:27.800 Yeah, yep, that's right. So if you don't give the 1:28:27.840 --> 1:28:29.960 ball to them and you can play you know, keep 1:28:30.000 --> 1:28:32.479 it close to the vest and and and not you know, 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:35.120 have you know, the the late second quarter brain cramp 1:28:35.200 --> 1:28:38.800 like they had this past Sunday, then okay, why can't 1:28:38.800 --> 1:28:41.599 they win the game? Why can't they win this game? 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:46.880 Like one of the guys from PEW said this earlier 1:28:47.360 --> 1:28:49.240 last week when they said, you know, I think if 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:53.120 they played the Seattle game and they don't, they can't 1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:55.840 come up with a turnover. I think Seattle wins. I 1:28:55.880 --> 1:28:59.120 think the path to beating the Jets is turning them over. 1:28:59.240 --> 1:29:01.120 You have to get lucky, and you have to at 1:29:01.240 --> 1:29:04.200 least get like a couple turnovers, okay. And the crap 1:29:04.439 --> 1:29:08.679 the crappy thing about Rogers is I mean he really 1:29:08.720 --> 1:29:09.720 doesn't turn the ball over. 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:14.640 Okay, I bought, Yeah, I'll buy that. I will buy that. 1:29:14.680 --> 1:29:16.680 If you probably are gonna have to pick up a 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:19.720 turnover or two, I'll buy that. If they can't, the 1:29:19.760 --> 1:29:23.599 defense can't, you know, for some a Jets mistake, then 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:24.800 that's where the Jets can win. 1:29:24.880 --> 1:29:29.320 Absolutely all right, And the next next week, I got 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:33.920 a long drawn out question for you, and I'm hoping 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:36.559 at some point during that Matt, Matt will drop this 1:29:36.880 --> 1:29:40.280 cool story handel sound drop while I'm while I'm saying it. 1:29:40.400 --> 1:29:43.880 So I start, I'll talk to you and Marine, well, 1:29:43.920 --> 1:29:46.599 i'll talk. I'll probably talk to Marine on tomorrow night. 1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:49.519 Good enough, talk to you next Wednesday. John, Yes, sir, 1:29:49.720 --> 1:29:50.519 let's hope I'm wrong. 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.120 You got it. I'm gonna hope you're wrong too. Thank you. Patty. 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:55.760 Let's get Nelson in l a here. Hey, Nelson, you're 1:29:55.760 --> 1:29:59.880 in the playbook. It's all good. What are we working 1:29:59.880 --> 1:30:00.519 on today? 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:03.960 We all stand by right now. 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:07.720 Stand by? All right, okay, all right, that's good. No, no, 1:30:07.720 --> 1:30:08.559 no heavy lifting. 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:11.960 We messed up this weekend. Man, I thought we were 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:12.720 going to get to w. 1:30:13.120 --> 1:30:15.080 I know, I know it was all bad. 1:30:15.479 --> 1:30:17.599 Well, you know, why would why can we white? Can 1:30:17.680 --> 1:30:21.200 we go for the first on the fourth and. 1:30:21.240 --> 1:30:25.200 First in the overtime? Yeah, we were right there, Yeah, 1:30:25.320 --> 1:30:28.320 go for it. Yeah, I mean you certainly can make 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:31.120 a claim that that would have been another you know 1:30:31.240 --> 1:30:34.160 move that you know sometimes you know, you just gotta 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:38.240 you gotta take a shot. And uh, I understand the frustration. 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:42.040 The one that you know obviously bothered me the most was, 1:30:42.360 --> 1:30:44.040 you know when they you know, threw the ball deep 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:45.280 in there into the field late at the end of 1:30:45.280 --> 1:30:48.160 the second quarter and then Seattle called time out and 1:30:48.200 --> 1:30:50.360 then the clock was stopped and then they were able 1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:51.960 to get the ball back with thirty seconds and they 1:30:52.040 --> 1:30:53.599 ended up getting a field goal. They ended up really 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:55.640 being the difference maker in the game. That was just 1:30:55.720 --> 1:31:00.400 really bad, bad, bad Without thinking about it, and I'm 1:31:00.439 --> 1:31:03.559 just like wow, because sometimes you have to coach to 1:31:03.600 --> 1:31:07.520 not beat yourself, and they totally coached to beat themselves 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:08.120 last week. 1:31:08.760 --> 1:31:11.720 Yo, And I hope they flip it over and I'm 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:14.280 going twenty seven to twenty the Pagers all the way 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:14.760 all the week. 1:31:14.840 --> 1:31:17.400 Well, you're You're the first Nelson. You'll be happy to 1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:20.760 know you're the first one that I've spoken to all 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:21.960 day today. 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:23.840 Our cornerback. 1:31:25.720 --> 1:31:27.560 Who you mean Gonzales? 1:31:28.640 --> 1:31:31.040 Yeah, he's gonna get his first interceptions that gave. 1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:31.800 Oh get it, get a pick? 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:32.080 All right? 1:31:32.120 --> 1:31:35.640 See? Okay, quarter? Okay, So you think Gonzales gets the 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:37.759 pick when they try to throw to Garrett Wilson, because 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:40.280 I think that's where that matchup will probably be. Okay, 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:43.080 all right, Well then if that happens, then you have 1:31:43.120 --> 1:31:45.000 to call back next week and you have to brag 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:45.439 about it. 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:48.519 Oh you know, I'm an brag about it. 1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:48.960 All the time. 1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:54.800 All right, twenty seven to twenty all right? I like it. 1:31:55.520 --> 1:31:58.439 I like it. Can Aaron Rodgers still play? Do you 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:00.200 think can Aaron Rodgers still play? 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:01.800 Yeah? 1:32:01.840 --> 1:32:03.599 He could pay it. But if we get in there 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:05.760 and we get in the pocket, he can't run like 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:07.200 that no more. You can't move like that? 1:32:07.439 --> 1:32:10.880 Well no, And that's where I think if you flush him, 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:12.679 then I think you're you're probably a good shape. 1:32:12.720 --> 1:32:15.599 And that's when he's gonna make a mistake, and then 1:32:15.640 --> 1:32:17.559 that's that's when it's gonna come back and bite him 1:32:17.600 --> 1:32:18.560 in his assy. 1:32:19.160 --> 1:32:22.559 Okay, all right, good stuff. Hey, be safe at work now, 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:26.599 all right, good tooth sir. Thanks hearing you. Appreciate you. 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:30.320 Thank you. Nelson in Los Angeles working out in the 1:32:30.320 --> 1:32:32.400 oil fields or wherever he is out there. That's you know, 1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:37.320 he's got some grammy work going on there. Appreciate you, Nelson. Absolutely. Hey, 1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:40.599 getting ready for a marathon game day watch party. 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A couple of quick emails here, 1:33:22.640 --> 1:33:27.599 Gang uh Claire says my prediction. Hi John, Hi Marine, Okay, Carol, Yeah, 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:31.000 so much to topsy turvy, but I'm still going pat 1:33:31.080 --> 1:33:37.240 seventeen Jets sixteen f the jets. She spelled out f 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:41.439 e ff. Come on, she got a little class. 1:33:41.479 --> 1:33:43.840 All right, How very English of you, How very English? 1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:44.080 Right? 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:44.720 Yeah? 1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:45.720 Uh? 1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:48.280 And then uh, let's see where else do I have 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:51.280 this one? I got oh aiden from California, John Man. 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:53.519 That was a close game that we fumbled away. But 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:56.760 I'm looking at this as a glass half full. These 1:33:56.760 --> 1:33:59.760 are learning lessons for Gerard and the staff. All right, 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:02.320 we did talk about that Aiden. You're correct, and I 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:06.000 did say that, you know, okay, he gets the benefit 1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:07.479 of the doubt. He gets a couple of screw ups 1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:10.080 on his side. He screwed it up, but he gets 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:12.280 that benevit of the doubt because he is a rookie coach. 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:15.640 You got to learn, you got to learn. Let's just 1:34:15.640 --> 1:34:20.080 hope it doesn't happen too often. Should you be giving 1:34:20.120 --> 1:34:21.960 the ball back before the half so they can score it? 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:22.160 No? 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:25.120 But again, if the coaches can learn from this and 1:34:25.160 --> 1:34:27.759 not be error repeaters, I'm okay with these growing paints, 1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:32.080 that's the key. Can't do it again. Got to recognize 1:34:32.120 --> 1:34:33.679 it the next time, you know, what this is probably 1:34:33.720 --> 1:34:36.360 not the greatest situation to pass the ball, probably not 1:34:36.400 --> 1:34:38.639 the greatest situation through because if we don't complete the pass, 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:40.559 it stops the clock. He gives the team more time 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:42.400 to come back and score on us at the end 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:45.720 of the half. It's a long and grueling season. I'm 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:48.360 just glad this is a more watchable product than what 1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:51.559 the last year coach made his go through. Last year, coach, 1:34:51.600 --> 1:34:56.760 we can't even say this name, say my name, I mean, 1:34:56.840 --> 1:34:59.040 and I admitted that off the top today. I said, 1:34:59.040 --> 1:35:00.920 you know, this is a better team than last year already. 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:03.240 I think it's more together. I think it's obviously. I 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:06.000 think it's more disciplined, or at least there's more attention 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:09.240 to the discipline on the field, and that's through because 1:35:09.240 --> 1:35:11.479 of the lack of mistakes. The biggest mistake this team 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:14.759 has made through two weeks has been the clock management issue. 1:35:14.800 --> 1:35:19.080 And they didn't come from the players necessarily. Not necessarily, 1:35:19.920 --> 1:35:22.080 they have to be getting direction from the sideline. Right 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:28.439 it's Jets week. I'm picking them to win. I assume 1:35:28.439 --> 1:35:30.679 he means the Patriots to win twenty three to twenty one. 1:35:30.960 --> 1:35:34.080 This is more a hate pick than anything else. Love 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:37.320 the show. All right, thank you, Aiden, I appreciate that. 1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:38.760 I mean, so we've had two in a row. Now, 1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:44.320 I'm not sure we can continue that trend. God, was 1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:47.120 I really that off on this? I mean, did you 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:48.760 think that marine? Did you think that you know the 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:50.759 Patriots were gonna get beat this week? 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:54.120 No? 1:35:55.080 --> 1:35:58.559 Okay, yeah, I mean you know and this we're not 1:35:58.560 --> 1:36:00.640 promised a thought to that, but no, I didn't know. 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:02.720 You didn't think it's I mean, it's the Jets, right, 1:36:02.800 --> 1:36:06.600 I mean, and look, I realized that, you know, the 1:36:06.680 --> 1:36:09.760 Jets are you know, pros like everybody else. But you know, 1:36:09.880 --> 1:36:11.599 I think we've seen this a lot over the last 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:12.920 decade plus. 1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:14.080 The Jets will jet. 1:36:14.320 --> 1:36:20.040 Thank you, thank you. That's exactly right, the Jets will jet. 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:22.559 That's why when people said, oh, you know, this team 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:24.320 is going to be a contender in the AFC gigs 1:36:24.400 --> 1:36:26.519 this year, and I'm like, not until I see them 1:36:26.520 --> 1:36:31.559 win a couple of games first. There's no way. There's 1:36:31.600 --> 1:36:35.120 just no way. Now, Aaron Rodgers can prove us all wrong, 1:36:35.200 --> 1:36:37.639 and you know, he might dominate. I don't think he will, 1:36:37.720 --> 1:36:40.280 but he might. And if he does, yeah, then it's 1:36:40.960 --> 1:36:44.800 maya Maxima copa but until I got to be from 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:46.200 the state of Missouri. Show me. 1:36:47.680 --> 1:36:50.280 It's a real woman, could stop you from drinking. 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:52.240 That's a real big woman. 1:36:52.640 --> 1:36:55.679 It's time to go around the NFL with football guru 1:36:55.800 --> 1:36:56.760 Russell Baxters. 1:36:56.840 --> 1:37:05.080 Now the name is Flounder on Patriots playbook Russell Baxter 1:37:05.479 --> 1:37:08.160 Week three in the NFL. Good afternoon, Russell, how are you? 1:37:08.960 --> 1:37:12.519 I'm good, sir, How are you? Jets? Patriots week Thursday Night? 1:37:12.960 --> 1:37:13.080 Right. 1:37:13.880 --> 1:37:18.200 I'm a little disappointed because I was hoping this game 1:37:18.240 --> 1:37:20.000 within Foxborough and I would get to see you. 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:23.000 Yeah, yeah, Well, we don't get a whole lot of 1:37:23.000 --> 1:37:25.679 primetime opportunity this year for obvious reasons because the team 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:29.200 just you know, hitting very good. But at one, you know, I'm. 1:37:29.000 --> 1:37:31.760 More disappointed than Roger Cadell did not call me back. 1:37:34.880 --> 1:37:36.920 Wait, you're not on his speed dial? 1:37:37.560 --> 1:37:40.800 No, no, no, obviously. 1:37:40.360 --> 1:37:42.600 Not No, that's all right, Okay, I. 1:37:42.600 --> 1:37:44.320 Don't think I'm on his rotary phone either. 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:49.920 I'm not on his rotary either. I know that. I guess. Well, 1:37:50.080 --> 1:37:52.960 since you brought it up Thursday night, you know, the 1:37:52.960 --> 1:37:56.040 Patriots and the Jets are both playing their third game 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:59.680 in eleven days to start the season. When is this 1:37:59.760 --> 1:38:03.320 gonna catch up to the NFL, and could you see 1:38:04.560 --> 1:38:07.160 the eventuality of the possibilities worn down the line that 1:38:07.200 --> 1:38:09.400 they decide that the discretion is the better part of 1:38:09.479 --> 1:38:12.840 valor and keeping guys healthier longer, especially if they go 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:17.360 to eighteen regular season games and doing something else besides 1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:20.240 Thursday night football. 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:22.639 I certainly don't rule it out. And by the way, 1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:26.479 the Jets even shorter week. Remember they played Monday night. 1:38:26.640 --> 1:38:28.000 Yeah the first. 1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:28.679 Week, Yeah they did. 1:38:28.960 --> 1:38:32.400 Okay, yeah, so Monday night Sunday and now Thursday. 1:38:32.479 --> 1:38:34.800 Yeah, So that's right. So there are day days shorter 1:38:34.960 --> 1:38:36.599 prep time than the Patriots have to start. 1:38:36.600 --> 1:38:40.080 That's right, exactly. So, but fortunately it's a divisional game 1:38:40.120 --> 1:38:43.880 and probably not a lot of prep for either team. 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:47.040 Obviously they know each other well, and we also know 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:49.400 that the Patriots have really had their way with the 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:54.840 Jets for you know, I don't think Bill Belichick ever 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:56.720 recovered from losing that playoff game in. 1:38:56.640 --> 1:39:01.080 Two No, no, no, I don't think so either, right. 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.920 But irony of irony, Bill Belichick's last game as Patriots 1:39:04.960 --> 1:39:08.280 head coach saw their long winning streak over the Jets 1:39:08.439 --> 1:39:12.760 end in Week eighteen, So you know it's strange as 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:15.439 may seem, but you know, you got two teams here, 1:39:15.600 --> 1:39:20.720 one who won last week after watching their defense get 1:39:20.720 --> 1:39:23.720 pushed around by the forty nine ers. Yeah, and a 1:39:23.760 --> 1:39:26.720 Patriots team. Now I know they lost last week in overtime, 1:39:26.800 --> 1:39:30.479 but I agree with whoever said it about five minutes ago. 1:39:30.560 --> 1:39:32.800 This is a better football team. It looks like there's 1:39:32.800 --> 1:39:37.920 more cohesion. The physicality is certainly there. It would have 1:39:37.920 --> 1:39:40.360 been nice if they could find a way to cover 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:45.000 you know, locket In Metcalf for true, but you know, 1:39:45.400 --> 1:39:49.040 give Gino Smith his due, you know, as a comeback 1:39:49.040 --> 1:39:51.120 player of the year a couple of years ago. Last 1:39:51.160 --> 1:39:55.120 year took a little dip and this year bought to 1:39:55.240 --> 1:40:01.680 a good start. You know, I find it very fascinating that, 1:40:02.800 --> 1:40:07.880 especially this past week. You know, I watch you know, 1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:11.759 Mike McDonald with Michael McDonald, you know those defensive coaches 1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:14.280 who don't know anything about offense. They're two and oh yeah, 1:40:14.520 --> 1:40:17.720 right and low and obviously Steelers, you know, have been 1:40:17.880 --> 1:40:22.439 futured on offense, but they're two and o. So you know, 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:25.160 you could go down the whole long laundry listeners though 1:40:25.240 --> 1:40:28.040 on but uh, just so you know, second year in 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:29.720 a row, we have nine two and oh teams and 1:40:30.160 --> 1:40:33.679 nine oh and two teams, and we shall see because 1:40:33.720 --> 1:40:36.280 you know, not every two and o makes it. And 1:40:36.880 --> 1:40:39.520 just to remind people, each of the last two seasons 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:42.240 and oh and two has not only made the playoffs, 1:40:42.240 --> 1:40:44.920 they won their division. The Bengals won it in two 1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:48.280 thousand and two twenty two, and the Texans won the 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:50.040 division after being oh and two last year. 1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:52.400 So I knew you were going that direction. So I'm 1:40:52.400 --> 1:40:54.600 glad you started that direction because then I was going 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.320 to ask you the next obvious questions. So, you know, 1:40:57.439 --> 1:40:59.960 with the nineh and twos from a year ago, but 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:02.320 two of those teams coming back to win the division, 1:41:03.400 --> 1:41:05.839 it sounds to me then, at least in recent history, 1:41:06.160 --> 1:41:09.120 oh and two isn't quite the whole dug that it 1:41:09.240 --> 1:41:11.280 might have been, even just a few short years ago 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:12.120 in the NFL. 1:41:11.880 --> 1:41:12.160 Is it. 1:41:12.960 --> 1:41:16.240 Yeah? Well, I think the seventeen game schedule certainly helped 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:20.200 that one extra game. I certainly think having an extra 1:41:20.320 --> 1:41:24.919 playoffs birth helps. That started in twenty twenty. The seventeen 1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:28.479 game slate started in twenty twenty one, so that has 1:41:28.600 --> 1:41:31.680 helped a little, There's no doubt about it. But you know, 1:41:32.680 --> 1:41:36.840 It's hard to watch a team get off to a 1:41:36.880 --> 1:41:40.080 tremendous start, knowing what we know about preparation now and 1:41:40.920 --> 1:41:45.559 how tough it is. That's why Holy Holy Saint Bernard 1:41:46.800 --> 1:41:49.160 the New Orleans Saints with ninety one points and eleven 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:53.000 touchdowns in two games, I know, right, although I will say, 1:41:53.120 --> 1:41:57.800 and I love players perspective. I heard Cam Jordan on 1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:03.680 a interview yesterday. They say, reminded people we were two 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:07.160 and oh last year, and you know you finished ninety eight. 1:42:07.200 --> 1:42:09.960 They wound up in some playoffs, right, So you never know, 1:42:10.280 --> 1:42:13.200 you know, you know as well as I do. You know, 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:16.960 we see teams go off and get on long streaks 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:19.400 at the beginning of the year and then fade. I 1:42:19.439 --> 1:42:23.960 mean the Pittsburgh Steelers in twenty twenty were eleven and 1:42:24.080 --> 1:42:28.000 oh and crawled the rest of the year and then 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:30.000 got blown out at home in the playoffs. Look at 1:42:30.000 --> 1:42:34.280 Philadelphia last year it was ten and one and disaster. 1:42:35.280 --> 1:42:37.719 You know, lost what six of their last seven, including 1:42:37.760 --> 1:42:41.920 the playoffs, and struggles with the Packers on defense. And 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:44.479 I don't have to tell anybody what happened Monday night, 1:42:46.360 --> 1:42:48.720 you know, So maybe same old problems with Philly. So 1:42:49.400 --> 1:42:52.320 it was not you know, it's you know, it's a 1:42:52.320 --> 1:42:55.360 weird week when the Washington Commanders are the only team 1:42:55.400 --> 1:42:56.679 in the NFC East to win. 1:42:56.880 --> 1:42:59.439 Wow, I know, right, or one and one through the 1:42:59.479 --> 1:43:02.280 two weeks, that's correct, all right, So we got we 1:43:02.320 --> 1:43:05.760 have not one but two battles, two matchups of two 1:43:05.760 --> 1:43:09.080 and oh teams for Week three. This week, let's start 1:43:09.120 --> 1:43:11.759 then with the Texans and the Vikings. I've been impressed 1:43:11.760 --> 1:43:15.479 with both teams thus far. I know it's early. Which 1:43:15.520 --> 1:43:16.759 one has staying power? 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:18.519 Oh? 1:43:18.560 --> 1:43:20.400 I think in terms of a roster you would have 1:43:20.479 --> 1:43:24.280 to lean Houston, who just keeps on adding players. And 1:43:24.680 --> 1:43:29.599 it's very very funny. Here's some wacky coincidences. You will 1:43:29.640 --> 1:43:34.280 recall in the offseason that these teams basically swapped be 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:38.519 a free agency, not trades. They swapped their top tax rusher. Yeah, 1:43:38.600 --> 1:43:42.320 Jonathan Greener went from Houston to Minnesota. Daniel Hunter wanted 1:43:42.360 --> 1:43:46.040 from Minnesota to Houston. So both are two and oh. 1:43:46.680 --> 1:43:48.760 Here's my favorite. Do you know the last time that 1:43:48.880 --> 1:43:53.320 Texans for two and oh no twenty sixteen reasons? The 1:43:53.360 --> 1:43:56.919 last time the Vikings for two and oh twenty sixteen? 1:43:57.080 --> 1:44:00.040 No kidding, This has got overtime ty written. 1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:06.880 Although two zero to one then right, okay, the other 1:44:06.960 --> 1:44:10.960 two and oh versus two and oh match Chargers and 1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:15.360 the Steelers. I guess I'm mildly surprised with the Steelers, 1:44:15.640 --> 1:44:17.840 maybe a little less so with the Chargers. Just kind 1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:19.840 of like your thoughts on on both teams and the 1:44:19.840 --> 1:44:21.120 way that they started out. 1:44:21.439 --> 1:44:23.960 Well, I'm glad Jim Harball doesn't like to run the football. 1:44:24.040 --> 1:44:27.800 Oh goodness. JK. Dobbins a see note each of the 1:44:27.800 --> 1:44:31.839 first two weeks. JK. Dobbins somewhat familiar with the Steelers 1:44:31.840 --> 1:44:35.519 defense through his days in Baltimore. I'm gonna make a 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:40.240 weird prediction, okay, and you will get this. And I'm 1:44:40.280 --> 1:44:43.120 sure people who've been following the league for thirty forty years, Well, 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:48.040 Justin Herbert is ify this week. He's a little banged up. 1:44:49.000 --> 1:44:54.800 So the Chargers are going to start Jim Harball at quarterbacks. 1:44:55.840 --> 1:44:59.160 And this time he completes that Hill Mary Cash in 1:44:59.200 --> 1:45:02.080 the right corner of the end zone and Avenge is 1:45:02.160 --> 1:45:05.000 in the nineteen ninety five ASC Championship game. What do 1:45:05.000 --> 1:45:05.920 you think, John? 1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:10.280 Why not? So it's only been what the twenty nine years? 1:45:10.520 --> 1:45:13.759 Yeah, it don't don't let the facts get in the rest. 1:45:13.840 --> 1:45:16.760 No, I know, but you know what, that's probably one 1:45:16.800 --> 1:45:18.920 of the reasons why he's back in the NFL anyway, 1:45:19.040 --> 1:45:21.360 just because he's had this, you know, itching in his 1:45:21.439 --> 1:45:22.479 craw for all this time. 1:45:22.520 --> 1:45:25.240 You know, Oh, absolutely well, I will say that you 1:45:25.280 --> 1:45:28.360 and I always do this with a certain games. What's 1:45:28.400 --> 1:45:32.040 how early in the game on CBS, will we see 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:32.439 that play? 1:45:32.600 --> 1:45:36.080 Oh? Yeah, probably in the open right, yeah, probably in 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:37.960 the opening couple of minutes we'll see that play. 1:45:38.920 --> 1:45:42.240 It'll be there, Yeah, it'll certainly be there. But listen, 1:45:42.320 --> 1:45:46.120 Pittsburgh's defense has been pretty formidable, I will say that, 1:45:47.000 --> 1:45:50.280 and did it on the road, okay, you know, you know, 1:45:50.720 --> 1:45:54.439 I think they picked for three turnovers the first week. 1:45:54.479 --> 1:45:57.160 They had two picks a bow knicks last week. Offense 1:45:57.280 --> 1:46:00.599 still leaves a lot to be desired. The jointing around 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:03.640 with their offensive line George Pickens is a marble, but 1:46:04.400 --> 1:46:07.639 a couple offensive pass interference calls and everything last week, 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:10.759 so I'm not sure what to expect. It's Pittsburgh's home opener. 1:46:11.240 --> 1:46:14.719 They're not the home juggernaut they've been in the day, 1:46:14.840 --> 1:46:17.040 and I think actually it helped them to play on 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:19.759 the road the first two weeks with all the stirring 1:46:19.840 --> 1:46:23.400 and controversy. But I'll tell you Joe Walt to tackle 1:46:24.360 --> 1:46:28.559 that running game. You know, Herbert had some turnover issues 1:46:28.640 --> 1:46:37.160 last week at Carolina, So you know, thirteen twelve. I 1:46:37.160 --> 1:46:39.400 don't know if the year the last time the Stewarts 1:46:39.400 --> 1:46:42.160 won the Super Bowl in two thousand and eight. I 1:46:42.280 --> 1:46:45.400 just remember this, they beat the Chargers during the regular season. 1:46:45.479 --> 1:46:49.840 That was that palamalo diving one handed interception. And I 1:46:49.960 --> 1:46:52.960 bring that up because they won the game eleven to ten. 1:46:54.040 --> 1:46:56.040 Eleven to ten. That had to have been a score 1:46:56.040 --> 1:46:56.760 of gumi. 1:46:56.560 --> 1:47:00.639 Right, that's like a softball scour. Yes, I know, Okay, 1:47:00.720 --> 1:47:04.680 eleven to ten, so you know what, let's I'll do 1:47:04.800 --> 1:47:07.360 fifteen to fourteen. And I'm not even going to pick 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:10.200 a winner. We already saw the Steelers winning game without 1:47:10.240 --> 1:47:13.880 scoring a touchdown. Last week we saw Washington right or 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:17.799 win seven field goals and winning game without scoring a touchdown. 1:47:17.800 --> 1:47:18.880 That's true, that's true. 1:47:18.960 --> 1:47:22.479 Other than the Saints and the Bills, I would say 1:47:22.680 --> 1:47:24.479 offense is a little sluggish out of the gate. 1:47:26.240 --> 1:47:27.960 And why do you think is it because of the 1:47:28.240 --> 1:47:30.880 emphasis defensively? Is because teams are trying to do too 1:47:30.960 --> 1:47:34.240 much on offense? Is this traditionally an issue? Do you 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:36.960 think over the last few years in the NFL? Why 1:47:36.960 --> 1:47:38.840 are the offensive having a harder time now? 1:47:39.240 --> 1:47:42.719 Because I think the offensive line don't know each other. Ah, 1:47:43.200 --> 1:47:46.559 And you know in recent years the NFL is cut 1:47:46.600 --> 1:47:51.480 down on contact during training camp, and you know, offensive 1:47:51.520 --> 1:47:55.240 line is all about continuity and physicality, and you know, 1:47:55.280 --> 1:47:57.200 if you're not playing that much, you don't really get 1:47:57.200 --> 1:47:58.639 to know each other. Then you have some of these 1:47:58.680 --> 1:48:01.680 teams who and invest a lot of draft choices in 1:48:01.720 --> 1:48:05.160 their offensive line. I mean they barely know these guys' name, 1:48:05.439 --> 1:48:08.439 you know, hitting around and so on. But still it 1:48:08.479 --> 1:48:11.040 is so you know, we have seen over the last 1:48:11.080 --> 1:48:13.519 couple of years, and you and I have talked about 1:48:13.520 --> 1:48:17.400 this as well, the first forced games of the of 1:48:17.439 --> 1:48:20.080 the regular season is almost like the preseeds. And now, 1:48:20.560 --> 1:48:22.840 because you don't see a lot of teams, you know, 1:48:22.920 --> 1:48:24.840 it's been up and down the last couple of years 1:48:25.200 --> 1:48:27.559 play their regulars. They get a lot of work in 1:48:27.600 --> 1:48:31.519 the mini camps and maxi camps and Vanda camps and 1:48:31.600 --> 1:48:34.680 all that other stuff. Right, and when we do get 1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:38.000 to an eighteen game season, I'm hoping that little of 1:48:38.000 --> 1:48:43.759 that changes. I'm hoping that the more regiment, steady preparation schedule, 1:48:43.760 --> 1:48:46.240 because I think it's hurt the pride early on, it's 1:48:46.280 --> 1:48:50.160 hurt the product. And listen, we've had some thrilling games 1:48:50.200 --> 1:48:53.639 in Cincinnati and Kansas City last week obviously Monday Night, 1:48:54.880 --> 1:48:56.920 you know, the Ravens and the Chiefs as well. 1:48:57.120 --> 1:48:59.760 Sure the Patrons and Chargers. Was a great game last week. 1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:03.200 Yes, the Chargers last week. 1:49:03.560 --> 1:49:06.080 Yeah yeah, and then not the Chargers to patrons on 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:07.120 the seahawkscuse me. 1:49:07.200 --> 1:49:10.080 Yeah, absolutely over time, I you know, we had we 1:49:10.120 --> 1:49:12.760 had we had overtime with Detroit and the Rams by 1:49:12.800 --> 1:49:15.680 the way, the Ram John, I don't know what you 1:49:15.720 --> 1:49:17.599 guys are doing in the studio this week. You guys 1:49:17.640 --> 1:49:18.360 could always play. 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:21.240 We could probably play. Yeah, I mean, that's that's it. 1:49:21.400 --> 1:49:23.439 Just it just goes to show you the old landage 1:49:23.479 --> 1:49:25.719 is no matter how bad you have it, somebody else 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:26.800 has got it worse. 1:49:27.800 --> 1:49:31.120 And that's and that's why I have to giggle at 1:49:31.120 --> 1:49:33.240 people who take a look at that schedule in April 1:49:33.320 --> 1:49:36.360 or early May, and the same people who can't pick 1:49:36.400 --> 1:49:39.000 week the week try to pick months and months. It's 1:49:39.000 --> 1:49:41.600 in advance, yeah, right, and fight. Well, they're going to 1:49:41.680 --> 1:49:45.240 face this quarterback and the face that quarterback. And no, 1:49:45.360 --> 1:49:50.519 I mean, let's they are down Cooper Cup and Cooka Nakula. 1:49:51.800 --> 1:49:55.360 And last week was embarrassed. I mean that was the 1:49:55.520 --> 1:50:00.559 team that Sean McVay had beaten thirteen the last fifteen 1:50:00.640 --> 1:50:03.760 times in the Rams coach includes the playoffs, and that 1:50:03.960 --> 1:50:05.479 was I mean that was over in the first quarter. 1:50:05.760 --> 1:50:07.880 Right, Yeah, that's cutting the heart out of your team 1:50:07.920 --> 1:50:10.200 with those two guys gone, no question. All right, so 1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:12.519 let's take a look at this. Then You've got uh 1:50:12.600 --> 1:50:14.920 at O and two. You've got the Giants, you have 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:20.360 the Titans, you have the Colts. Uh, you have I'm 1:50:20.400 --> 1:50:22.400 gonna go down my list here, you have the Broncos, 1:50:23.040 --> 1:50:27.640 you have the Panthers, and you also have the Ravens. 1:50:27.880 --> 1:50:32.120 Shockingly with the Rams also at O and two, going 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:35.960 in Bengals. Yeah, and the Bengals at OEN two. Right, 1:50:36.240 --> 1:50:37.840 So you've got all these teams in at oh and 1:50:37.920 --> 1:50:41.000 two and the Jaguar Excuse me, I knew I left 1:50:41.000 --> 1:50:42.840 one out. The Jags are the other O and two 1:50:42.920 --> 1:50:44.960 and I'm not sure we expected them to be there. 1:50:45.000 --> 1:50:47.600 But my question is that all those and two's that 1:50:47.640 --> 1:50:49.840 I just mentioned the nine that you talk about when 1:50:49.880 --> 1:50:52.839 we started here, which one is likely to stay winless 1:50:52.840 --> 1:50:56.000 for a while more likely to stay winless. 1:50:56.880 --> 1:51:00.960 I had been worried about Baltimore coming into the season 1:51:01.280 --> 1:51:05.639 because if you saw their offseason departures, regardless of reason, 1:51:06.720 --> 1:51:11.439 it was stunning how many people left Baltimore. And that 1:51:11.560 --> 1:51:13.680 was a defense last year that tied for the lead 1:51:13.800 --> 1:51:17.960 league in takeaways, they gave up the fewest points. That 1:51:18.080 --> 1:51:21.840 was a very formidable unit. And so far they've looked 1:51:21.880 --> 1:51:24.920 pretty ordinary. I mean, they're up ten at home in 1:51:24.960 --> 1:51:29.400 the fourth quarter against the Raver Raiders and can't close 1:51:29.439 --> 1:51:33.120 the deal, and you know that's they've given up what 1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:36.760 twenty seven points and twenty six points in games. They 1:51:36.800 --> 1:51:41.960 go down to Dallas, I don't envision. I was told 1:51:42.000 --> 1:51:44.160 that Mike McCarthy is going to get the team there 1:51:44.200 --> 1:51:46.400 the night before so they don't miss the first half, 1:51:47.640 --> 1:51:53.000 okay like they did last week. That's a rough. That's 1:51:53.000 --> 1:51:57.960 a rough. That's a that's a rough afternoon to win 1:51:58.040 --> 1:52:03.280 to Dallas them coming off the loss. Okay, So Denver, 1:52:03.760 --> 1:52:06.559 Denver has Tampa Bay this week. I'd be very surprised 1:52:06.560 --> 1:52:09.799 if they won, although bo Nick's already has the quote 1:52:10.720 --> 1:52:16.080 of the early season when he was asked about that 1:52:16.240 --> 1:52:20.479 interception in the end zone and he just said, I 1:52:20.600 --> 1:52:22.080 dropped back and I threw it to the other. 1:52:22.000 --> 1:52:24.720 Team, which is accurate. 1:52:24.720 --> 1:52:27.000 Which is totally and I'm all about accurate. 1:52:27.080 --> 1:52:28.040 Yeah, I'm all about. 1:52:29.520 --> 1:52:32.040 And but you know, it's interesting. Just right off the 1:52:32.040 --> 1:52:34.519 top of my head, I want to say six of 1:52:34.600 --> 1:52:37.240 the nine teams that are oh and two or in 1:52:37.320 --> 1:52:42.880 the AFC, Yes, Houston is all by themselves at two 1:52:42.880 --> 1:52:45.479 and zero, and nobody in the division has won a 1:52:45.479 --> 1:52:46.639 game other than them. 1:52:46.960 --> 1:52:49.639 I'd say they're off and running. But as we've already 1:52:49.680 --> 1:52:52.519 pointed out that and two doesn't mean jack right now, 1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:55.040 that's right, and who knows? 1:52:55.080 --> 1:52:58.160 And and listen, the NFC East has already jumbled in 1:52:58.320 --> 1:53:01.800 a bunch of one and one to two and as 1:53:01.840 --> 1:53:05.120 we know, which is going on twenty years this year. Now, 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:07.920 I know Dallas won the NFC East last year, but 1:53:08.080 --> 1:53:11.720 nobody's repeated in that division since the Eagles did it 1:53:11.840 --> 1:53:13.840 four years in a row from two thousand and one 1:53:14.720 --> 1:53:15.240 oh four. 1:53:15.720 --> 1:53:18.200 So that's an amazing streak there, really is. 1:53:18.080 --> 1:53:21.439 It isn't that it's funny and the last couple of years, 1:53:21.439 --> 1:53:26.120 it's been alternating Philadelphia. Remember Washington won the division in 1:53:26.160 --> 1:53:28.480 twenty twenty with the seven to nine records. 1:53:28.320 --> 1:53:31.679 Right, so right, seven or nine, that's right? Yeah, unlet's 1:53:31.760 --> 1:53:32.439 yeah under five? 1:53:32.720 --> 1:53:37.360 Yeah, I mean, to me, it's gonna be. And you 1:53:37.400 --> 1:53:43.200 know Philadelphia, who's obviously defense is still an issue. I 1:53:43.240 --> 1:53:45.559 know they have Vic Fangio there and all that stuff, 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:51.080 but they they they turned over the ball three times 1:53:51.080 --> 1:53:53.000 to their credit against Green Bay and still managed to 1:53:53.040 --> 1:53:56.000 win the game. But they gave up twenty nine points. Okay, 1:53:56.760 --> 1:53:59.360 last week they gave up a drive in the last 1:54:00.160 --> 1:54:03.400 and change and losing home to the Falcon. Now they 1:54:03.400 --> 1:54:06.599 get the Saints this week, so you know, I mean, 1:54:06.840 --> 1:54:11.120 I'm not declaring Derek Carr MVP, although boy, I will 1:54:11.120 --> 1:54:13.559 say that it is fun to watch Alvin Kamara beat 1:54:13.560 --> 1:54:14.639 Alvin Kamara again. 1:54:15.280 --> 1:54:17.720 Yeah. Yeah, he looks he looks better. He looks better 1:54:17.760 --> 1:54:18.800 than normal, that's for sure. 1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:22.719 Yeah. So it's an interesting and what makes this week 1:54:22.800 --> 1:54:27.439 really interesting is for the third straight week minimal amount 1:54:27.439 --> 1:54:30.200 of divisional games. The Jets and the Patriots are one 1:54:30.240 --> 1:54:34.280 of the few and ten of the sixteen games or 1:54:34.320 --> 1:54:36.080 interconference games this week Wow. 1:54:36.200 --> 1:54:38.800 See, I like that. Though, I like that. Let's let's 1:54:38.800 --> 1:54:42.720 talk about a couple of those anyway. Well, the Dolphins 1:54:42.760 --> 1:54:45.480 and within the AFC East Dolphins will go on the road. 1:54:45.520 --> 1:54:48.360 They got to play Seattle last week's Patriot conquerors. They 1:54:48.400 --> 1:54:50.240 got to do it without to a tongue of viola, 1:54:50.760 --> 1:54:53.520 and got put on ir this week with yet another 1:54:53.560 --> 1:54:58.360 concussion issue. You know, I think we could we all 1:54:59.760 --> 1:55:02.880 fee even if we don't feel exactly like to it. 1:55:02.960 --> 1:55:06.320 Does we all feel for him and certainly you have 1:55:06.400 --> 1:55:08.720 to wonder what this might mean for the remainder of 1:55:08.760 --> 1:55:13.680 his career. Nevertheless, I look at, as you know, opportunity 1:55:13.720 --> 1:55:16.640 for others as well within the division. Miami's got to 1:55:16.680 --> 1:55:19.200 go from the tip, you know, of one corner of 1:55:19.240 --> 1:55:21.480 this country all the way to the other corner of 1:55:21.480 --> 1:55:24.000 the country against what's a tough road trip for the Dolphins, 1:55:24.320 --> 1:55:26.080 and we get a chance, I think, really to see 1:55:26.080 --> 1:55:28.919 how good Seattle might be. I thought they were okay 1:55:29.520 --> 1:55:31.360 last week, but I gotta admit, you know, with the 1:55:31.360 --> 1:55:33.080 brain cramp the Patriots had at the end of the 1:55:33.080 --> 1:55:35.640 second quarter and the whole clock management issue that even 1:55:35.640 --> 1:55:38.600 Bill Belichick, you know, ragged on during the Manning cast 1:55:38.640 --> 1:55:42.520 on ESPN on Monday night. I think we still need 1:55:42.520 --> 1:55:44.960 to see what kind of a of a team Seattle 1:55:45.000 --> 1:55:49.560 can really be. I mean competitive, yes, playoff contender maybe, 1:55:50.040 --> 1:55:53.280 but division contender. I don't know that we're there yet, 1:55:53.360 --> 1:55:55.240 but this could be a step in that direction for them, 1:55:57.000 --> 1:55:57.440 doubt about. 1:55:57.600 --> 1:56:01.400 And this just occurred to me as I was thinking here. Obviously, 1:56:01.440 --> 1:56:04.600 Skyler Thompson is going to start for quarterback for the Dolphins. 1:56:04.600 --> 1:56:11.320 But did you know that the Dolphins also added Tyler Huntley? 1:56:12.120 --> 1:56:15.280 Yes, yes, yes, he spent you know. 1:56:15.280 --> 1:56:18.080 He signed with the Browns in this officeas they cut him, 1:56:18.080 --> 1:56:20.960 but he played a lot during the preseason. He spent 1:56:21.480 --> 1:56:24.880 his four year career to date in Baltimore. And of 1:56:24.880 --> 1:56:28.040 course it just occurred to me that if Tyler Huntley 1:56:28.120 --> 1:56:30.920 gets in this game, gee, you think Mike McDonald might 1:56:30.960 --> 1:56:34.000 know a little about it about him, you know, because 1:56:34.000 --> 1:56:37.200 he spent the last two years in Baltimore. So, yeah, 1:56:37.240 --> 1:56:39.360 this is an intriguing game. It's obviously teams that are 1:56:39.400 --> 1:56:42.120 don't play each other that well. I I think Mike 1:56:42.200 --> 1:56:45.320 McDonald will be ecstatic if his team doesn't give up 1:56:45.360 --> 1:56:48.720 a safety this week like they did in the in 1:56:48.760 --> 1:56:52.000 the opener, they gave up two and had some like 1:56:52.200 --> 1:56:58.840 really mind boggling issues, just like Brian Callahan, who obviously 1:56:59.680 --> 1:57:02.880 had a lot to say to his starting quarterback Will 1:57:02.960 --> 1:57:07.320 Levis after another turnover. The Titans have five turnovers this year, 1:57:07.720 --> 1:57:11.320 all of them by Will Levin, but I'm sure he 1:57:11.360 --> 1:57:14.200 also had something to say to his special teams. For 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:16.520 the second week in a row, the Titans had a 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:20.000 punk block last week against the Bears was for a touchdown. 1:57:20.200 --> 1:57:23.280 This week it's set up the score. And if you 1:57:23.320 --> 1:57:27.160 go back to week fifteen of twenty twenty three, they 1:57:27.200 --> 1:57:30.760 had a punk blocked for a touchdown and lost it 1:57:31.160 --> 1:57:36.080 overtime to Indianapolis. I mean, how often do you get, 1:57:36.200 --> 1:57:39.160 you know, three punch blocks in the six game span. 1:57:39.440 --> 1:57:43.400 Not often, not often. Big change is coming special team wise. 1:57:43.440 --> 1:57:46.600 The other division game Jags that I went to two 1:57:46.680 --> 1:57:50.520 playing at the Bills on Monday Night football, Well, Buffalo's 1:57:50.520 --> 1:57:53.320 got a chance to really establish themselves again in the 1:57:53.360 --> 1:57:54.120 AFC East. 1:57:55.240 --> 1:57:57.960 Well, you want to talk about a roller coaster ride, 1:57:58.800 --> 1:58:01.480 you know, Jacksonville was four in eight couple of years ago, 1:58:01.800 --> 1:58:04.800 ran the table, came back from twenty seven down to 1:58:04.840 --> 1:58:08.080 win a playoff, came over The Chargers then lost to 1:58:08.120 --> 1:58:10.200 the Chiefs in the divisional round. No shame in that. 1:58:11.040 --> 1:58:14.400 And last year they started eight and three and went 1:58:14.720 --> 1:58:17.320 belly up. Now I know Trevor Lawrence was banged up, 1:58:17.320 --> 1:58:21.080 but still wound up losing five in their last six game. 1:58:21.680 --> 1:58:25.160 And now it's seven of their last eight game. And 1:58:27.400 --> 1:58:29.880 Doug Peterson, a Super Bowl winning coach, as we well 1:58:29.920 --> 1:58:34.760 know Trevor Lawrence, who you know very much like a 1:58:34.760 --> 1:58:38.400 couple of quarterbacks. This year big pay day, they look 1:58:38.720 --> 1:58:42.919 and they've lost close games. That's funny, the three winless 1:58:42.960 --> 1:58:46.200 teams in the AFC set. In fact, let me take 1:58:46.240 --> 1:58:49.960 a step further, every game played by an AFC South 1:58:50.000 --> 1:58:53.320 team this year has been decided by seven points or left. 1:58:55.400 --> 1:58:56.760 Do you know what that means? 1:58:57.000 --> 1:59:01.200 I have no clue, but it might be a close game, Yes. 1:59:01.200 --> 1:59:04.160 Might be a close game. And remember Jacksonville beat Buffalo 1:59:04.240 --> 1:59:06.000 last year in England. 1:59:05.680 --> 1:59:08.360 Right, yes, yes, yes, home away from home. 1:59:08.440 --> 1:59:12.520 They did know they did that eight and three start 1:59:12.600 --> 1:59:14.120 last year where it looked like they were going to 1:59:14.200 --> 1:59:16.520 repeat his division champions and they wind up not even 1:59:16.560 --> 1:59:17.680 making the playoffs at all. 1:59:17.760 --> 1:59:20.280 Right, while we have about a minute or so loved 1:59:20.280 --> 1:59:22.720 here in the program. I'd be remiss if I didn't 1:59:22.720 --> 1:59:24.840 ask you about the Pro Football Hall of Fame today 1:59:24.840 --> 1:59:27.800 putting out their initial list of nominees, of which there 1:59:27.800 --> 1:59:30.640 are what one hundred and thirty or so? But among 1:59:30.720 --> 1:59:36.200 them Corey Dllon, Wes Welker, Ben Coates, Bruce Armstrong, Logan Mankins, 1:59:36.600 --> 1:59:41.760 Vince will Ford, Teddy Bruski, Mike Vrabel, Willie McGinnis, Rodney Harrison, 1:59:41.920 --> 1:59:45.480 a Keith taleb Adam Vin, and Terry Those are the 1:59:45.520 --> 1:59:50.400 ex Patriots in that particular list. Harrison, I thought had 1:59:50.400 --> 1:59:54.440 a shot last year, did not get in. Of those Patriots, 1:59:54.480 --> 1:59:57.400 who's most likely to get further consideration and make that 1:59:57.480 --> 1:59:58.120 final ballot? 1:59:59.280 --> 2:00:04.000 I would be done if Adams's there is not a 2:00:04.040 --> 2:00:07.640 first ballot Hall of Famer, And I know we don't 2:00:07.640 --> 2:00:09.120 have a lot of kickers in there. We have Jon 2:00:09.200 --> 2:00:12.080 Stenderud and we have Morton Anderson. As far as place kicker, 2:00:12.960 --> 2:00:15.200 he has the most points and most field goals in 2:00:15.360 --> 2:00:18.480 NFL history. He has the most points and most field 2:00:18.480 --> 2:00:23.480 goals in NFL postseason history. He's a multi Super Bowl 2:00:23.520 --> 2:00:26.600 champion with two different franchises. He actually wound up playing 2:00:26.640 --> 2:00:29.880 longer for the Colts than he did for the Patriots, 2:00:29.960 --> 2:00:35.120 and he had quite run from the Patriots. Luke Keikley 2:00:35.200 --> 2:00:36.800 is another guy I know, he's not a Patriot. Luke 2:00:36.840 --> 2:00:40.040 Keikley is another guy who's a first time ballot. I 2:00:40.080 --> 2:00:46.680 think the big discussion will be Eli Manning. Okay, whether 2:00:46.800 --> 2:00:50.520 you know, was he great for those two seasons when 2:00:50.520 --> 2:00:53.240 they won the Super Bowl and mediocre that that's going 2:00:53.320 --> 2:00:58.720 to be. I wouldn't be surprised if he made it, 2:00:58.760 --> 2:01:01.040 and I also wouldn't be surpris he didn't make it 2:01:01.080 --> 2:01:01.760 first ballot. 2:01:02.960 --> 2:01:05.200 That's what I think. I think he'll make it. I 2:01:05.240 --> 2:01:06.680 don't think he makes it first ballot. 2:01:07.600 --> 2:01:09.400 To me, right off the top of my head, Luke 2:01:09.440 --> 2:01:12.120 Keikley and Adam Vinitieri are first ballot Hall of Famers, 2:01:12.160 --> 2:01:14.920 And I think if you had doubts about Kickley, who 2:01:15.000 --> 2:01:18.800 had a shortened career, and I know Patrick Willis was 2:01:18.840 --> 2:01:23.240 in first ballot. Yeah, but you know, it seems like 2:01:23.240 --> 2:01:25.000 to be a younger mindset now and a lot of 2:01:25.040 --> 2:01:27.760 defensive players are going in the last couple of years. 2:01:28.480 --> 2:01:33.440 I can't imagine Adam Minitary not to be in in there. Yeah, 2:01:33.760 --> 2:01:36.200 first ballot, Yeah, I mean, if you don't put the 2:01:36.240 --> 2:01:40.320 all Listen, the Hall of Fame didn't put in the 2:01:40.400 --> 2:01:43.200 all time interception leader Paul Krauss for years and years 2:01:43.200 --> 2:01:46.520 and years. Okay, but you know we finally got a 2:01:46.600 --> 2:01:49.880 kick returner in last year in devin Hester, Adam van Kerry. 2:01:50.040 --> 2:01:53.480 And forget the numbers, what about the moments? Sure, the kicks? 2:01:53.760 --> 2:01:55.920 Sure, No, absolutely, the. 2:01:55.880 --> 2:01:57.360 Bulls and the Super Bowl. 2:01:57.120 --> 2:01:59.320 The big moments. Yeah, he deserves to be there. And 2:01:59.360 --> 2:02:01.520 as long as we're to put Anna Vinentarian there, I 2:02:01.520 --> 2:02:04.600 think the leading score in AFL history should belong in 2:02:04.640 --> 2:02:06.520 there as well. From the Veterans Committee, and we talked 2:02:06.520 --> 2:02:09.880 about this last week, Gino Cappelletti, Yeah this. 2:02:09.880 --> 2:02:14.880 Okay, Well, let's put it this way. If Vinititieri goes 2:02:14.920 --> 2:02:19.120 in and Capelletti gets the nod, I will see you 2:02:19.120 --> 2:02:21.840 in Canton next year because I'm positive the Patriots will 2:02:21.840 --> 2:02:22.840 play in the Hall of Fame game. 2:02:22.960 --> 2:02:25.839 Yeah, I think you're right about that. Thank you, Russell. 2:02:26.160 --> 2:02:27.600 Always good to be with you, my friend. 2:02:28.320 --> 2:02:32.040 You're welcome. I'll be watching tomorrow night. We'll be very 2:02:32.080 --> 2:02:35.360 interesting to see which version of the Jets show up, 2:02:35.360 --> 2:02:37.200 because I'm pretty sure I know what version of the 2:02:37.200 --> 2:02:39.480 Patriots are going to show up. And it's going to 2:02:39.520 --> 2:02:42.000 be a pretty physical style. 2:02:41.920 --> 2:02:44.200 One that'll score about sixteen or seventeen points. 2:02:44.280 --> 2:02:48.480 Right, whatever works. 2:02:48.640 --> 2:02:51.120 Whatever works, Yeah, as long as the other team scores 2:02:51.160 --> 2:02:51.480 one point. 2:02:51.560 --> 2:02:54.440 Last, when you hit a tree and the ball bounces 2:02:54.440 --> 2:02:56.800 on the green, yeah, nobody cares on the score. 2:02:57.160 --> 2:03:00.240 That's also very true. Thanks, thanks my man, Talk to 2:03:00.280 --> 2:03:03.960 you later. You got it. The one and only Backs 2:03:04.080 --> 2:03:09.120 Football Guru on x BAX Football Guru Russell Baxter. Okay, 2:03:09.480 --> 2:03:13.480 football season here we know. 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