Speaker 1: Or Patriots played the co Legends aboard John who brings
Speaker 1: the Heat Radial store from Braid. He's throw some new
Speaker 1: stars rising. The playbook's opiated as soon as Rizon.
Speaker 2: So le.
Speaker 1: Patriots fast down his Patriots playboard. I think I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting here in rock out of this for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Matt's also dansing a jig in the other room, because
Speaker 1: he's the he's the creative master behind these jingles. Thank
Speaker 1: you for those of you who actually gave enough crap
Speaker 1: to vote or at least listen to Matt's creations. Uh
Speaker 1: you know via uh X and uh YouTube page and
Speaker 1: Facebook and everywhere we posted the last few weeks for
Speaker 1: the new show opens, we actually had a bit of
Speaker 1: a tie, and we weren't sure that it was completely
Speaker 1: complete because the returns kept coming in and we kept
Speaker 1: getting different resorts. I'm not trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: the hell that happened. So here's what we've decided to do. Okay,
Speaker 1: this was our personal favorite, the one that you just
Speaker 1: heard that was the pop rock version, which is actually
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of fun. We had quite a
Speaker 1: bit of interest in which one, the rap one is
Speaker 1: that what it was bo version, the boom bat version.
Speaker 1: You want to play that one? Can you play that one?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Give me one second one?
Speaker 4: Yah?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, go ahead, call up the boom Bap version.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we also had interest in the country Western version. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so we decided we're going to rotate the damn things.
Speaker 1: Why not, we can make up the rules. Let's just go.
Speaker 1: These were the three most popular by vote through social media.
Speaker 1: The Raino Storms, New Stars Fire, Am I doing right?
Speaker 5: You want the turntable hands the Patriots.
Speaker 1: First down.
Speaker 6: Everyone, I.
Speaker 1: Just love it. I think it's great, all right. And
Speaker 1: then the one that actually came we think in third,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna give it credit anyway. That was the
Speaker 1: country version, correct, all right, you want to play that one.
Speaker 6: Patriots Playbook Legends Are Born.
Speaker 7: Watch Out.
Speaker 1: Kenny brings the heat step inside.
Speaker 8: From Brady's throat to New Stars Rising the playbook soap
Speaker 8: and it's soszin into the playbook.
Speaker 1: Here's your host John voice? Is that your voice from
Speaker 1: the run down? La la la?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 1: It is? All right, So we're gonna rotate those suckers
Speaker 1: in and round, and if you really feel strong to
Speaker 1: be any of the others that were on YouTube. You know,
Speaker 1: let us know. But that's fine. But we're gonna We're
Speaker 1: rotating in and out, and I thank you for your interest.
Speaker 1: We try to have some fun on this show. You
Speaker 1: have to. Life's too short. Life's too short not to
Speaker 1: have fun. So that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have some fun on the program today. Obviously, we have
Speaker 1: a game tomorrow. It's the only prime time of pearance
Speaker 1: thus far scheduled for these New England Patriots for this
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four football season. And so you've got the
Speaker 1: Thursday night football game tomorrow night on Amazon Prime. Don't
Speaker 1: ask me where the hell you can find it on
Speaker 1: your TV?
Speaker 7: Amazon Prime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, find it on Amazon Prime. I guess you know
Speaker 1: where the hill's that. You know. I had somebody asked
Speaker 1: me that, I said, you have a smart TV. I said, well,
Speaker 1: I thought all TV's are smart. Okay, yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: they are. But you have to download the app and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and you have to subscribe and okay,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know it's a pay thing, and
Speaker 1: you know it's it's quite possible that in the next
Speaker 1: five to ten years there's going to be one of
Speaker 1: the Big Four, NFL, NBA, Major League Baseball hockey, that
Speaker 1: going to be nothing but stream They will not have
Speaker 1: what we would call in over the air broadcast product MLS.
Speaker 1: Party does that right? They're on Apple TV.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just gonna Apple owns MLS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Apple owns Vice Versa, right, So MLS is already there.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen people, So you might as well just
Speaker 1: you know, get the smart TV and you know, break
Speaker 1: up your bundles or whatever and just you know, pay
Speaker 1: for a couple of streaming services. You know. I know that.
Speaker 1: You know, Peacock is very popular now because it's a
Speaker 1: part of NBC. I happen to know the president of
Speaker 1: NBC Sports, So he played basketball at Providence College. Did
Speaker 1: you know that? Yeah, yeah, before a little before your time,
Speaker 1: you know, being our producer and our engineer. But yeah,
Speaker 1: his name is Rick Cordela. And in fact, when we
Speaker 1: were when you had the Brady Thing here over the summer,
Speaker 1: the Brady Thing Hall of Fame, Brady Thing, Mike Turrico
Speaker 1: hosted it, you know. And so I'm sitting there getting
Speaker 1: ready to do my bit and Twieks comes up from
Speaker 1: behind gives me a little bear hug, and so we
Speaker 1: make small talk. Ay, how's it going, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: what's going on? When are you going to Paris for
Speaker 1: the Olympics? That kind of stuff, right, And I said,
Speaker 1: do you know Rick Cordella? And he looked at me
Speaker 1: and he thought about it for a second. He goes,
Speaker 1: I know Rick very well, so do you. And I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's impressive because he knew that Rick was a former Friar.
Speaker 1: He's a former Friar walk on basketball player back in
Speaker 1: the late nineteen nineties under Pete Gillot. And so now
Speaker 1: he's running the NBC Sports Empire. Okay, that's amazing. And
Speaker 1: so now Peacock is becoming the most subscribed I guess
Speaker 1: app if you will that has sports on it. They've
Speaker 1: got over thirty three million subscribers in this country and
Speaker 1: they increased that number I think probably tenfold because of
Speaker 1: the Olympic coverage. They had so many of the Olympic
Speaker 1: games this summer, you know, from Paris on Peacock. So
Speaker 1: they just they sold a bunch of subs smart.
Speaker 7: They made exclusive deals with WWE.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, So at any rate, it's gonna
Speaker 1: happen before too long. So anyway, getting back to the
Speaker 1: original point, it's on Amazon Prime tomorrow night, and you'll
Speaker 1: have Al Michael's and Kirk herb Street, which is a
Speaker 1: little bit of an odd companying for me, but you
Speaker 1: know what, Al is still Al and Herbie is still Herbie,
Speaker 1: So there you go. They'll be doing it tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: Dan Leberfeld from Jets Confidential will join us at the
Speaker 1: top of the hour and we'll get the latest on
Speaker 1: the Jets going into the broadcast, going into the game
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Russell Baxter on week three around the National
Speaker 1: Football League. He will be here at about four o'clock.
Speaker 1: Chris Mason, who covers the Patriots for mass Live at
Speaker 1: masslive dot com. He's gonna join us in a little
Speaker 1: under an hour from now, around three thirty. So that's
Speaker 1: what we've got coming up on the show. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: eight five five past five hundred, toll free telephone number
Speaker 1: eight five five p ATS five hundred. Web radio at
Speaker 1: Patriots dot com is the email address if you want
Speaker 1: to go that route or hit me up on X.
Speaker 1: It is at JR Broadcaster. That's the follow on X
Speaker 1: and so give me a you know, a post there
Speaker 1: and we can communicate that way. A couple of things
Speaker 1: that I want to start with before I get to
Speaker 1: the phones. This morning, this morning, this afternoon, depending on
Speaker 1: where you are, I guess it could be morning, right,
Speaker 1: it's also tonight. Hi, Claire, how's it going, you know?
Speaker 1: Hey girl? Yeah, yeah, So we just got to make
Speaker 1: sure that we get that in there. Juwan Bentley, as
Speaker 1: we know out. I looked at the play that he
Speaker 1: was allegedly in injured in against the Seahawks this weekend,
Speaker 1: and I look over it over and over, and at
Speaker 1: the end of the play you can kind of see
Speaker 1: him yank his right arm back like it was caught
Speaker 1: somewhere where you know, it wasn't supposed to be. It's incredible,
Speaker 1: how you know, you know quickly things like this can happen,
Speaker 1: and he's got a torn pectoral muscle. And then the
Speaker 1: country the conflicting reports mostly yesterday Tuesday, that said, you know,
Speaker 1: he's out, he's in, he's out, he's in, he's out
Speaker 1: for the year. He could play. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: know who the hell to believe anymore. And and I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you on that one. I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I follow you know, uh, all of
Speaker 1: our guys, all of our reporters on on the Twitter
Speaker 1: x I thought, follow a lot of them on a
Speaker 1: couple of other social media platforms, and no one really
Speaker 1: wanted to step out and claim that one. And then
Speaker 1: we have had the initial report saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: he was the injury wasn't as serious as it appeared
Speaker 1: to be, and then all of a sudden, he's out
Speaker 1: for the year. And that one came from Ian Rapaport
Speaker 1: from NFL Network and of course being one of the
Speaker 1: you know, true NFL insudters in the game along with
Speaker 1: you know, Adam Schefter, I think that was the one
Speaker 1: that kind of quieted everybody down. Oh my god. Well,
Speaker 1: if you know, if the rap sheet says it, then
Speaker 1: you know it's got to be true. You know, he's
Speaker 1: usually right. I got to give him credit where that's concerned.
Speaker 1: At any rate. It affects the Patriots hugely. And now
Speaker 1: you've got this defense that was allegedly that we talked
Speaker 1: about in the off season, we talked about early in
Speaker 1: this season. We've got this Patriots defense that's been that
Speaker 1: we thought would be pretty strong, and the first two
Speaker 1: weeks of the season. They're not far off. They're not
Speaker 1: far off. They're second in rushing yards allowed thus far,
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm I mean, I think they're you know,
Speaker 1: top five in total defense. So look here we go,
Speaker 1: and now you're you've lost the right up the middle.
Speaker 1: You've lost the heart and soul of this defense. You've
Speaker 1: got Christian Barmore Moore who's out until further notice, although
Speaker 1: he is on IR with a designation to return, so
Speaker 1: Barmore in theory could come back. We don't know. But
Speaker 1: Bentley's out and I'm just also out for tomorrow night's game.
Speaker 1: O'Shane Ziminez, you know, who had a really solid one
Speaker 1: of the better preseasons of any Patriot player. He's out
Speaker 1: with a knee injury. And so you got your linebacking
Speaker 1: corps that's hurting literally and figuratively, especially up the middle.
Speaker 1: And so this is going to take away a lot
Speaker 1: from I think the Patriot's ability to stuff the run. Now,
Speaker 1: this means, of course, next man up, and we know
Speaker 1: that Moniker, but you know, look, if the next man
Speaker 1: up were all that, he'd be in there to start,
Speaker 1: wouldn't he. And I'm not saying that to take away
Speaker 1: from ray Kwon McMillan, because he's the guy that will
Speaker 1: be stepping in now and he's gonna get a chance
Speaker 1: to show what he can do, and he's gonna need to.
Speaker 1: He's gonna need to because if I'm the Jets, knowing
Speaker 1: what the Jets have done through their first two weeks,
Speaker 1: and they're one and one, of course like the Patriots are,
Speaker 1: then I'm running the damn Paul on the Patriots, and
Speaker 1: I'm using that run to set up the past game,
Speaker 1: and I am gonna attack and I'm gonna try to,
Speaker 1: you know, nail that Patriot secondary that was suspect as
Speaker 1: we saw against the Seahawks this past Sunday. You know
Speaker 1: the miscommunication, you know that allowed the fifty seven year
Speaker 1: touchdown bomb. You know, I'm just like, Wow, that can't happen.
Speaker 1: And i know Kyle Dugger took full responsibility for it,
Speaker 1: but it can't happen the Patriots. This Patriots team margin
Speaker 1: of error is extraordinarily thin. They must play in order
Speaker 1: to have a shot. And I know you've heard the
Speaker 1: PU guys talk about this. You probably talked about it
Speaker 1: your own self. You've read it, you know, you probably
Speaker 1: go pined about it. You've seen it everywhere. There is
Speaker 1: truth to this. Okay, this team has some ability. I
Speaker 1: think this team is certainly a step above where we
Speaker 1: were this time a year ago. And I think we
Speaker 1: can even see that through two weeks, will know more.
Speaker 1: Give me another two to three weeks and I think
Speaker 1: we'll all know a little bit more about this team.
Speaker 1: But just through the effort and some of the athleticism
Speaker 1: that we saw during the preseason, during training camp, and
Speaker 1: then what we've seen early in the year, I'm already
Speaker 1: telling you you know, this team is certainly taking a
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. How big a step, mother,
Speaker 1: may I? How biggest step can they take from this
Speaker 1: point forward? And could it possibly be that they regress
Speaker 1: if the injuries start piling up? The Jets are banged up, Cheese,
Speaker 1: San Francisco's banged up, He's banged up. They just happen
Speaker 1: to be the next two Patriots opponents. What would be
Speaker 1: a crying shame is for this kind of a situation
Speaker 1: to avail itself of to New England and they're not
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of it. With key players out
Speaker 1: tomorrow next week, the week after, think about there for
Speaker 1: a second. You know, you don't have Christian McCaffrey, probably
Speaker 1: not gonna have Deebo Samuel. You certainly not gotta have
Speaker 1: two a Tango vo Law because he's you know, on
Speaker 1: ir now for the Dolphins with the concussion from this
Speaker 1: past week as well. So for looking at it from
Speaker 1: a New England point of view, you've got an opportunity
Speaker 1: here now. And by the way, Tiger Voloa hasn't lost
Speaker 1: to the Patriots. I'm sure you're very well aware of that.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, wow, what how do you take
Speaker 1: advantage of this? I my own personal thought is is
Speaker 1: that I think, look, if you could win the next
Speaker 1: if you win two of these next three, which I
Speaker 1: think is doable, then counts Thursday night. Okay, you win
Speaker 1: two of these next three and you get to you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you're at win two. That puts you through
Speaker 1: you get to three and two through week five, Okay,
Speaker 1: then I think you can look at this team and say, potentially,
Speaker 1: you know, if you get people back, if they're healed,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking barrow More in particular, I could
Speaker 1: see this team hanging around into December for a playoff spot.
Speaker 1: I could see it don't kill me on this. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't kill me on this. I'm just I'm just sort
Speaker 1: of supposing I'm throwing it out there. I'm not really
Speaker 1: shaking the pomponds here. I'm not really trying to play Homer.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to come up with what I think is
Speaker 1: a plausible scenario to be where I think this team
Speaker 1: should be, and probably where you think this team should be.
Speaker 1: You're frustrated, you want to see improvement. You're too used
Speaker 1: to seeing success around here. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: fans that are like that. Hell, a lot of the
Speaker 1: media is like that. A lot of the media is
Speaker 1: expecting that. So we get there. You gotta take advantage
Speaker 1: of these breaks that you've been given over the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, starting with Thursday night. And how do
Speaker 1: you do that? Well, I know that the Jets are
Speaker 1: gonna be just there. They're gonna be if they don't
Speaker 1: play eight or nine in the box against you know,
Speaker 1: the second best rushing offense in the NFL through a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, then they're dopes. So that means the
Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna have to be prepared to go over
Speaker 1: the top to probably beat the Jets. Thursday night. Don't
Speaker 1: be surprised. Don't be surprised if you see Drake May.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, don't be surprised. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm just saying, if it happens, don't be surprised,
Speaker 1: because for two reasons. Number one, I think you know,
Speaker 1: the Patriots woefully, woefully played conservatively against the Seahawks, and
Speaker 1: that helped cost them the game. And then, of course,
Speaker 1: when they tried to throw the ball and they threw
Speaker 1: two incompletions stupidly at the end of the first half
Speaker 1: and allowed Seattle to kick that field goal before halftime
Speaker 1: on Sunday, that was horrible clock management. Bill Belichick even
Speaker 1: came out and criticized it during the Manning cast on
Speaker 1: Monday night. I'm sure many of you probably heard that, man,
Speaker 1: that hell of a time to pick to throw the
Speaker 1: ball cost you the game. Otherwise you could win that
Speaker 1: in regulation and it never gets to overtime. That's how
Speaker 1: close the Patriots were. They gave Sunday against Seattle away,
Speaker 1: gave it away. So now that you've made your mistakes,
Speaker 1: you can see how thin the margin of era really
Speaker 1: is for this team. To have success. It really wasn't
Speaker 1: I mean egregious you had yeah, you know, and they
Speaker 1: but they didn't turn the ball over. They didn't really
Speaker 1: commit any penalties I mean of note that really killed anything.
Speaker 1: They just didn't think, They didn't think or they didn't
Speaker 1: think properly, and it ultimately cost them. So the margin
Speaker 1: of area is extraordinarily thin for a team that has
Speaker 1: some ability, has some talent, but not enough of it.
Speaker 1: On top of that, because they were so concernative in
Speaker 1: the passing game and they what wide receivers had three catches,
Speaker 1: my guess is is that they realize that, hey, we
Speaker 1: got to get the ball to Pop, We got to
Speaker 1: get the ball to Jaalen Polk. We have to because
Speaker 1: teams are going to load up in the box and
Speaker 1: darro us to run and we're not going to have
Speaker 1: any running room. I understand playing conservatively, but I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that you can get away with doing that every week.
Speaker 1: It's very obvious that the offensive line, such as it
Speaker 1: presently exists, can run block way better than it can
Speaker 1: pass block. So it stands the reason they're going to
Speaker 1: want to try to run the ball, and I certainly
Speaker 1: expect the Patriots Thursday night to come out against the
Speaker 1: Jets and see if they can establish the run. Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you when you're one of the best running teams
Speaker 1: right now in the NFL, why wouldn't you try to
Speaker 1: establish that. Antonio Gibson looks like a breath of fresh
Speaker 1: air back there, and between him and Ramandre Stevenson, that's
Speaker 1: a great one two punch. Stevens has had a lot
Speaker 1: of touches early in the year. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: to see Gibson play a little bit more, rotate, a
Speaker 1: little bit more, touch the ball a little bit more.
Speaker 1: He's a great change of pace back because he's got
Speaker 1: what I like to call missibility. He can make guys
Speaker 1: miss and I think the Patriots are gonna need that,
Speaker 1: But because I expect the Jets to be ready for it,
Speaker 1: the way that you beat them is through the air.
Speaker 1: Jacoby also got banged up against Seattle. He didn't let on,
Speaker 1: but we've seen the signs around here, and you know,
Speaker 1: without giving away house secrets, you know he was late
Speaker 1: for an interview yesterday and he did one interview that's
Speaker 1: allegedly you know, streamed that you know he did it
Speaker 1: over the phone. Because you know, he's probably got wraps on,
Speaker 1: and he's probably got this, and he's got that. And look,
Speaker 1: I understand that you certainly don't want to give it
Speaker 1: away to your opponent that you know, hey, so and
Speaker 1: so has heard he's banged up, you know, and we
Speaker 1: got him on the injury list. I'm not telling you
Speaker 1: the Patriots are lying about the injury list. He's not
Speaker 1: on it, or at least that he's not out. And
Speaker 1: I think he'll probably start the game tomorrow night. I
Speaker 1: think he'll probably start. But if there's not if they
Speaker 1: struggle on offense and the Jets have it figured out,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be second quarter. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it be third quarter. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it be fourth quarter. I would not be at all
Speaker 1: surprised to see Drake May come into the game. I
Speaker 1: would also tell you I think it's more likely that
Speaker 1: his debut happens, believe it or not, on a road
Speaker 1: game than a home game, because of the crowd reaction,
Speaker 1: because of the way you would react if you saw
Speaker 1: him come out off of the bench. At Gillette Stadium,
Speaker 1: it's a place to go nuts. I don't know that
Speaker 1: there's going to be a tremendous amount of pressure on him. Hey,
Speaker 1: young man, go out there to play ball. Let's go crazy.
Speaker 1: As that sounds, I kind of think of it that way.
Speaker 1: And the only thing that keeys me from really you know,
Speaker 1: buying in on this one is you know, City's so
Speaker 1: still out. Vederian Lowe is out. Patriots are probably gonna
Speaker 1: start Kayden Wallace at left tackle because of the the
Speaker 1: lack of depth now with without uh, I've already forgotten him,
Speaker 1: big fellow on the left side. Okay, so which they
Speaker 1: deafade right, so you know, or they they put him
Speaker 1: on the put him on one of the lists I
Speaker 1: can't remember at any rate. Chokes a core for ne
Speaker 1: we go thought about it. So, uh, there's a big
Speaker 1: opportunity there for a rookie So you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: rookie tackle. You're gonna have a rookie guard. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he got banged up. Jacoby got banged up pretty
Speaker 1: well last week. We could see it pretty stiff rolling
Speaker 1: around and coming back on a short week. On top
Speaker 1: of this, this is the third game in eleven days
Speaker 1: for both teams. Okay, third game in eleven days. Seven yeah,
Speaker 1: eight nineteen. There you go, third game in eleven days.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, the Jets have got their own problems. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: they've got their own problems. I'd be I'll be very
Speaker 1: curious to see how Aaron Rodgers at age forty comes
Speaker 1: back to perform, you know, his third game in eleven days.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things going on there for both sides.
Speaker 1: But looking at it strictly, and we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: with you know, Dan Liberfield coming up a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you know, looking at it from the Patriots point
Speaker 1: of view, why not? Why not? You've got an golden
Speaker 1: opportunity laid out before he is, as I've explained, And
Speaker 1: if you struggling, I think maybe you kind of go
Speaker 1: for the change of pace, maybe you throw, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: you know, you roll the dice and you know, hope
Speaker 1: for the seven. I don't know, but I just I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. Just call it, you know, a feeling,
Speaker 1: call it a gut thing, call it an instinct, call
Speaker 1: it desperation, whatever you want to call it. But I
Speaker 1: think the Patriots are also feeling the opportunity here. And look,
Speaker 1: let's keep in mind now the Jets snapped a fifteen
Speaker 1: game losing streak to the Patriots last year when they
Speaker 1: beat New England here at Gillette. The Patriots have not
Speaker 1: lost a game it met Life since twenty fifteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: surely that's a that's a that's a that's at least
Speaker 1: a mini dominant run that you'd like to keep rolling
Speaker 1: if you can. And it's a divisional game. And we
Speaker 1: don't need Bill Belichick or anybody else to tell us
Speaker 1: how important divisional games always are to your overall fortunes
Speaker 1: for moving on in the season and into the postseason.
Speaker 1: So you got a chance now to get one on
Speaker 1: the road before you even play a divisional game at home.
Speaker 1: It's a big opportunity, and it's a big spotlight for
Speaker 1: some young guys, and it may be a huge opportunity
Speaker 1: for a guy like Drake May if they decide to
Speaker 1: place that call and make sure that he or ask
Speaker 1: him to move in for Jacoby Brissette. Look, you know
Speaker 1: he's banged up, but this is suck it up in
Speaker 1: go time, because he knows he's He's got to know
Speaker 1: Drake May and in the in his ability just waiting
Speaker 1: in the wings, waiting for a chance, waiting for an opportunity,
Speaker 1: and it could come as soon as tomorrow night if
Speaker 1: things don't go well. So he's gonna have to get
Speaker 1: the ball up the field. So the Jets had probably
Speaker 1: best be careful with loading the box up. If I'm
Speaker 1: the Patriots, I got to be ready to recognize that,
Speaker 1: you know, immediately, and none of this, you know, five
Speaker 1: yards and out. I mean, although Hunter Henry had the
Speaker 1: career day this past week, certainly I think one of
Speaker 1: the great bright spots for the Patriots in an overtime loss.
Speaker 1: But you got to be ready to go over the top.
Speaker 1: And if you're going over the top and you're missing
Speaker 1: these guys, that's when you call on the rook I mean, look,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this, but I but I got to
Speaker 1: mention it here, right You drafted the guy third. You
Speaker 1: drafted the guy third. Now, I know rookie quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: not off to a great start anywhere in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, we'll talk about this with Russell
Speaker 1: coming up in the next hour, but I mean, nobody's
Speaker 1: playing well. Everybody's getting banged up, everybody's had a rough time.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen you know, Caleb Williams, you know
Speaker 1: we've seen. I mean, it's you know, bone Nicks, We're
Speaker 1: seeing all of them struggle, even Jaydon Dan. So maybe
Speaker 1: the Patriots, at least in theory, did the right thing.
Speaker 1: I gotta give them credit for that. I was all
Speaker 1: into the play him now camp, and so I understand
Speaker 1: why you bring him along more slowly. I get that.
Speaker 1: I understand it, especially with the fact that you have
Speaker 1: an offensive line that is in a constant state of flux.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the one that's going to be out there
Speaker 1: Thursday night against the Jets is about as fluxed as
Speaker 1: you can get. So then why would you play him?
Speaker 1: Because you need to win? Where's coach Herm Edwards? You play? Hello,
Speaker 1: you play to win the game. Hello, you play to
Speaker 1: win the game. There you go, that's it annoying, that's
Speaker 1: what you do. And so you got to play to
Speaker 1: win the game. You can win, rock, Yes, you can rock.
Speaker 1: You can win. You can win. Greasy fast lightning. Wasn't
Speaker 1: that one of the other lines that he had. You
Speaker 1: gotta be greasy fast lightning, Okay, whatever, you gonna be
Speaker 1: faster than grease light faster than grease lightning too. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Whatever it was. Burgess Meredith all time. Great.
Speaker 1: He was so good as the penguin.
Speaker 7: He's just gonna say that.
Speaker 1: See, you're not even old enough to remember that TV series.
Speaker 1: I've watched it, obviously, watch you've seen it.
Speaker 5: I've seen it, and I knew you know him as
Speaker 5: Mick before I ever knew he was the Penguin. It
Speaker 5: knew my mind when I found out you found him was.
Speaker 1: The original youenguin? Yep, yeah, thea like the guy from
Speaker 1: Rocky's Penguin. What, well, that's what I grew up with
Speaker 1: because that was back in the sixties. That's that's back
Speaker 1: in my childhood. And so we couldn't wait for what
Speaker 1: was it Wednesday nights? I think it was the middle
Speaker 1: of the week. Uh, when Batman was prime time on ABC. Gosh,
Speaker 1: golly Gee wille Ger Simony Chippity Doo Batman. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: Bert Ward is Robin Adam w a Batman? Sure, yeah, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. That was the theme. Now I've sidetracked myself.
Speaker 1: That's all right, It's okay. We like to do that.
Speaker 1: Eight five five pats five hundred, eight five five pats
Speaker 1: five hundred, all right, So I've kind of laid it
Speaker 1: down for you, at least what I think about tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Don't be surprised, Okay, if it doesn't happen, I would
Speaker 1: tell you that things are going swimmingly for first the Patriots,
Speaker 1: second Jacoby Brissett, because if things do go swimmingly and
Speaker 1: he's able to make those long distance connections and able
Speaker 1: to make those completions that he was unable to do
Speaker 1: against Seattle last weekend, then that means the Patriots are
Speaker 1: have a lead or they're winning the game, and they like,
Speaker 1: sh we dodged another bullet. We can hold on to
Speaker 1: Drake for another week. But I think they're at a
Speaker 1: point now where they know this is the part of
Speaker 1: the schedule where they're getting it handed to them on
Speaker 1: us silver platter, or maybe we should say they're getting
Speaker 1: and handed to them on a silver stretcher. Because the
Speaker 1: other teams are not healthy and they've got key guys
Speaker 1: out Starting tomorrow night, it's time to take advantage. Eight
Speaker 1: five five Pats five hundred. Uh Todd in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: Hey Todd, what's going on today?
Speaker 3: Why are you looking for a win? John? What is
Speaker 3: this this potential playoffs stuff? I thought we were rebuilding.
Speaker 3: I thought we were being patient. I thought we were
Speaker 3: just enjoying the development of our team as they brought
Speaker 3: in new pieces. We try new young guys on the
Speaker 3: O line. We got a couple of young receivers. We
Speaker 3: want to look. I thought there was not a sense
Speaker 3: of urgency. I thought there was a sense of, Hey,
Speaker 3: just chill, see how where are we going? You win
Speaker 3: one game, John, in your outlook changes.
Speaker 1: To hell with that win.
Speaker 3: I knew you were such a ah.
Speaker 1: John, I'm a herd O. I'm a hard Oh. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just am. I always have been, I always will be.
Speaker 1: You know this is where you know former PU Dennis
Speaker 1: and Andy Hart and I have everything in common that
Speaker 1: you know he was a hard Oh, I'm a hard Oh,
Speaker 1: I always have been. You know I don't like this.
Speaker 1: You know I'm playing for tomorrow. I'm playing with the future. No,
Speaker 1: it's all about winning. Now. Life's too damn short. Let's
Speaker 1: go now. The last four years have been extraordinarily last
Speaker 1: well five years have been extraordinarily frustrating for me, just
Speaker 1: as a fan and an observer. Now I would tell
Speaker 1: you that, you know, I understand why it happened, But
Speaker 1: now it's time to bleep or get off the pot. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's it really is. And I think the Patriots, I
Speaker 1: think the Patriots are beginning to feel kind of like that.
Speaker 1: And so if you're like me, or if you're a
Speaker 1: heart o like that, I think you're about to be rewarded.
Speaker 1: That's just my gut.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say I was actually impressed with the Seahawks
Speaker 3: game because as I called into PU, I told them,
Speaker 3: I said, you, no, last year, I don't think they
Speaker 3: would have kept going. I think they would have quit
Speaker 3: when they lost the lead because they just didn't have
Speaker 3: any heart. And you know, they tried well the defense
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah. Like no, they just as
Speaker 3: a team, they just kind of sunk a little bit
Speaker 3: whenever they get behind because they had that quarterback. And
Speaker 3: there's no way you're gonna tell me the defense kept
Speaker 3: playing hard when they knew that Mac Jones was gonna
Speaker 3: come in and give up, and they didn't give up.
Speaker 3: They came back, they took the lead back. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: lost it in the wrong run. But man, this team's
Speaker 3: got something that I think that could get him close
Speaker 3: to five hundred. You know, with the injuries and other
Speaker 3: teams and but there's enough here that I think if
Speaker 3: they can develop, they can move forwards towards that. My
Speaker 3: only concern is I've heard it on a couple of
Speaker 3: different places and came out of Evans's mouth as well,
Speaker 3: is that Rissett doesn't like throwing short receivers. That's why
Speaker 3: he hasn't made any connections with Pop. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: then he can't be our quarterback because Pop's up. In
Speaker 3: my opinion, Puff's are best receiver.
Speaker 1: I listen, you say, yeah, I agree with you. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't play this game the way that you want
Speaker 1: to play it unless you have a the ability to
Speaker 1: throw short over the middle. He's your slot guy, and
Speaker 1: b figure out a way to get him one on
Speaker 1: one with somebody, because that person who's one on one
Speaker 1: with him is going to be slower than Tomario Douglas. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be slower.
Speaker 3: It's not the short passes. John It said the height.
Speaker 3: He said that Pop Douglass is too short as a
Speaker 3: receiver in his height, that he doesn't like to throw
Speaker 3: the short statuted receiver.
Speaker 1: Well, then he'd better learn how to do it, because
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore. I don't know other who were
Speaker 1: better short statued receivers than guys like Julian Edelman and
Speaker 1: Wes Welker.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't get it, but this has been reported on
Speaker 3: a couple of different areas. And then Evan brought it up,
Speaker 3: and then I went, well, like, okay, so somebody else
Speaker 3: is listening.
Speaker 1: To it other than just me, Uh yeah, okay. But
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then maybe that's why he's a
Speaker 1: little p oed, And maybe that's why he was kind
Speaker 1: of stomping around in the locker room. Maybe that's why,
Speaker 1: you know, he you know, missed out on an interview
Speaker 1: that he was supposed to have yesterday. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: he's a little butt hurt over everything. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really don't know. Maybe it's maybe his
Speaker 1: David receiver was Jalen Rieger. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think this ties into me
Speaker 3: into your idea that Drake may might come in, because
Speaker 3: if Brissett can't throw the get the ball to pop,
Speaker 3: and if he's a little bit injured, there is no
Speaker 3: reason not to put Drake May in there.
Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly concur, I wholeheartedly concur. I mean, it's if
Speaker 1: he can't complete the play and do what the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and the offensive staff is asking him to do,
Speaker 1: then it's time to see if someone else can. Look,
Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, with with Bentley gone and with
Speaker 1: Barmore gone after the middle of the defense, next man up, right, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: if Jacoby Brissett can't do it, next man up, and
Speaker 1: it just happens to be your prized rookie.
Speaker 9: Let me.
Speaker 1: I'll even put it in another way. You're picking third
Speaker 1: over all of the draft last year. If you pick
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, which they might should have done, But
Speaker 1: if you took an offensive tackle, you think he'd be
Speaker 1: on the.
Speaker 3: Bench right now, not a chant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly my point. He'd be in there playing. But
Speaker 1: now you're gonna sit the quarterback who arguably is playing
Speaker 1: a more valuable position. Come on, I'm not buying that.
Speaker 1: It's dumb, dumb, I hear.
Speaker 3: You, So, John, I got a quick question for you.
Speaker 3: I'll take the answer off the air, okay, but I
Speaker 3: want you to give me who you think is gonna
Speaker 3: be the star on defense for this Jets game and
Speaker 3: the star on the offense. Thanks, have a great show, John.
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Todd, on offense. Well, look, I would
Speaker 1: tell you that it's I got to pick two, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick two because it's the run game and
Speaker 1: if the Patriots are gonna have such chess against the Jets,
Speaker 1: and I certainly expect the Jets to be ready for
Speaker 1: the Patriots to run the ball, since that's what they've
Speaker 1: done over the last two weeks. But I gotta put
Speaker 1: that ball in either Stevenson's or uh, oh god, why
Speaker 1: am I brain cramping today? Have I not had my
Speaker 1: coffee today? I have it right here, Mike Duncan's here,
Speaker 1: the hell with it? Gibson, Antonio Gibson. There, I did it.
Speaker 1: I knew it would pop into my head. Sinility is
Speaker 1: setting And also it's one of those two guys on offense. Defensively,
Speaker 1: I gotta listen. I gotta go with my man key
Speaker 1: on white and I'll tell you why, because I think
Speaker 1: this game is actually going to be decided by one
Speaker 1: of or the other of the defensive ends on this
Speaker 1: In this game, you know, the Jets have a pretty
Speaker 1: good one as well, and we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: that in just a moment here. But I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you that when you look at, you know,
Speaker 1: the Jets defense and where the Patriots offense matches up.
Speaker 1: I gotta you gotta favorite the Jet. Will McDonald is
Speaker 1: the guy who was taken what in last year's draft,
Speaker 1: and I think he had what three sacks last week
Speaker 1: against Tennessee. And the Jets win, It'll come down to
Speaker 1: McDonald versus White and which one is playing in the
Speaker 1: other's backfield more so on defense. If the Patriots are
Speaker 1: gonna win the game, it's going to have to be
Speaker 1: key on White. Speaking of the Jets, Dan Libberfield, who
Speaker 1: authors Jets Confidential, joins us here in the playbook. Hey, Dan,
Speaker 1: John Rookier in Foxborough. How's it going good?
Speaker 6: John?
Speaker 2: How you doing excellent?
Speaker 1: Excellent? What are your thoughts on a couple of things
Speaker 1: that we've we've had to talk about here. First of all,
Speaker 1: I fully expect the Patriots to do what they've shown
Speaker 1: they can already do. But if I'm the Jets, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of licking my chops on this one because I
Speaker 1: think I know what's coming.
Speaker 6: You mean, as far as as far as what's.
Speaker 1: Going trying to prepare for the Patriots and defend.
Speaker 6: Them, Oh, you mean terms of running the ball. Sure, well,
Speaker 6: you can run on the Jets. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 6: Right even in the game we saw last weekast kind
Speaker 6: of ce Tony Pollard game. Yeah, the Jets play a
Speaker 6: very aggressive defense where they rushed the passer and on
Speaker 6: the way to the quarterback, they play the wrong so
Speaker 6: they're very aggressive. So if you present some eye candy
Speaker 6: motions and such, they tend to bite on it and
Speaker 6: opening up some rushing lanes. Now, the strength of the
Speaker 6: Jets line right now is actually the tackles. They lost
Speaker 6: Jermaine Johnson the end for the season to a torn
Speaker 6: achilles in Tennessee. And yes, Will McDonald did have a
Speaker 6: good game against the Titans, but the Titans right tackle
Speaker 6: is really struggling in in the first game. The Jets
Speaker 6: edge rush was kind of non existent in San Francisco
Speaker 6: against better tackles. I know New England has some question
Speaker 6: marks at offensive tackles, so maybe the Jets edge can
Speaker 6: be good in this game. But it's those two defensive
Speaker 6: tackles that out of playing so well for the Jets
Speaker 6: right now, led by Quinn Williams. So it's a defense
Speaker 6: you can run on if you schemed things upright and
Speaker 6: you make them go for the cheese on different gimmick plays.
Speaker 1: Yep. And I think that's a great point. We don't
Speaker 1: know yet whether or not the Patriots can scheme that.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen it yet, so would be, like I said,
Speaker 1: a lot of intrigue here. And this is part of
Speaker 1: the reason why Dan, I think you would probably agree
Speaker 1: with this, that you know, it's really hard to get
Speaker 1: a complete read on a team until you're you know,
Speaker 1: well past the first month of the season, because you're
Speaker 1: still in a formulative stage where you're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what the hell you have and when you have
Speaker 1: injuries start to kind of nip at the heels a
Speaker 1: little bit. And both teams are having those situations here,
Speaker 1: and as I said earlier, both teams are playing their
Speaker 1: third game in eleven days with this game tomorrow night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got to monitor that. You've got to be very
Speaker 1: careful with that. You don't want to try to put
Speaker 1: somebody else out there that you might lose for the
Speaker 1: rest of the year. So the chess match here, the
Speaker 1: coaching match, is going to be extraordinarily important, if not interesting.
Speaker 1: The Patriots, I thought, got coached circles around them against
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in their game this past Sunday, and you know,
Speaker 1: and the Jets were able to go out and get
Speaker 1: a w. And by the way, I'm not sure when
Speaker 1: was the last time team opened with two in a
Speaker 1: row on the road. I don't remember that happening anytime
Speaker 1: in the in the in the in the I guess
Speaker 1: recent past. Do you remember the last time the Jets
Speaker 1: had to do something like that?
Speaker 6: No, I don't remember specifically, but obviously it has a
Speaker 6: lot to do with Aaron Rodgers and the NFL office.
Speaker 6: I forgot which guy was. It might have been Mike North,
Speaker 6: one of the scheduling guys said that they owed us one.
Speaker 6: He was kind of joking. But as far as they
Speaker 6: put Aaron Rodgers and the Jets on prime time six
Speaker 6: times last year, and then he suffered the Achilles injury
Speaker 6: for plays into the season, so they doubled down on
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers this year. And and but the thing was,
Speaker 6: when you look at the fact that the first two
Speaker 6: games were on the road. The San Francisco game was
Speaker 6: a real challenge. But when you come back on a
Speaker 6: short week in terms of Monday night football to Sunday
Speaker 6: and you're playing Tennessee a kind of a rebuilding team
Speaker 6: of the quarterback who's trying to figure things out. I
Speaker 6: think that the league office, without saying it, said you
Speaker 6: know what, I know, it's two games on the road,
Speaker 6: but the second game is Tennessee. So I think that
Speaker 6: was kind of part of their thinking that it's not ideal,
Speaker 6: but the second opponent, and they'll never say it on Park.
Speaker 6: I mean, the second opponent isn't great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got you. Okay, let me ask you again, Dan
Speaker 1: Liverfield from Jets Confidential joining us here in the playbook,
Speaker 1: So let me ask you your thoughts on Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and you know, can he live up anywhere close to
Speaker 1: the original premise that I think the Jets thought they
Speaker 1: were going to get with this guy when he came
Speaker 1: from Green Bay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I absolutely think so. The one thing that's not
Speaker 6: there that we might have seen ten years ago is
Speaker 6: the mobility. And I'm not talking about Lamar Jackson er
Speaker 6: Josh Allen mobility. I'm just talking about that limited space
Speaker 6: mobility around the pocket or on bootlegs rolling right. Obviously,
Speaker 6: he doesn't run like he used to, so that's a
Speaker 6: little limited, But I see everything else being intact and
Speaker 6: I was just writing something for my website at Jetsconfidential
Speaker 6: dot com about you saw that play on the highlights,
Speaker 6: that play on third and one in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 6: You know that that passed down the right skyline the
Speaker 6: Garrett Wilson. I mean, I haven't seen scheming and execution
Speaker 6: like that on a pass play from the Jets in
Speaker 6: a long time. I mean, he milks the play cock
Speaker 6: clock down to one. He changes the play at the line.
Speaker 6: They have Alan Lazard, who lined up right with Garret
Speaker 6: Wilson run inside, take the double team because the Titans
Speaker 6: figured on third and one the Jets and a tight game,
Speaker 6: we're going to go for the first down. No, they
Speaker 6: go for the single coverage where Garrett Wilson takes off
Speaker 6: down the side. Gary Wilson one on one with no
Speaker 6: jam at the line is almost impossible to cover, and
Speaker 6: they complete a twenty seven yard pass down the sideline.
Speaker 6: It was just the execution and the and the game
Speaker 6: planning and the scheme were just brilliant. And I haven't
Speaker 6: seen anything like that because the Jets have had one
Speaker 6: quarterback after the other and one offensive coordinator after the
Speaker 6: other that was basically run out of town. That was
Speaker 6: as good as it gets, and I think it's only
Speaker 6: going to get better moving forward.
Speaker 1: All right, So Aaron Rodgers is beginning to sort of
Speaker 1: roll into some kind of shape. Where is the where
Speaker 1: is the you know, I guess I hate to use
Speaker 1: the term, but where's the Achilles heel for this Jets offense?
Speaker 6: Well? Right now, well, it's hard to say. Like you
Speaker 6: said before, after two games, it's hard to figure everything
Speaker 6: out as far as the strengths and weaknesses of teams.
Speaker 6: You know, we'll see what happens with this veteran offensive line.
Speaker 6: You know, the two tackles are thirty three, soon to
Speaker 6: be thirty four, and that's something to keep an eye
Speaker 6: on against a team with really good edge rushers. And
Speaker 6: you saw that in the open against San Francisco with
Speaker 6: Nick Bosa and Leonard Floyd having really good games. So
Speaker 6: if there was an Achilles hill, maybe it's the age
Speaker 6: of the offensive tackles. But beyond that, it's hard to
Speaker 6: find a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I listened. I liked the offense. I was a
Speaker 1: fan of Breese Hall when he was in college, and
Speaker 1: I thought Breese Hall, you know, especially you know, rounding
Speaker 1: back after an early injury. I thought he came around
Speaker 1: pretty well last year and it looks like he's starting
Speaker 1: to kind of round back into some kind of shape
Speaker 1: as well. It's him and Braylen Allen. I guess that
Speaker 1: combined last week in the backfield and helped kind of
Speaker 1: chew up some of the clock. And I think the
Speaker 1: rish game got a touchdown, did it not.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you had the the Brailen Allen touchdown late in
Speaker 6: the game, and the run blocking was much better in
Speaker 6: the second game than the first, and you figure it's
Speaker 6: going to continue to get better because this is an
Speaker 6: offensive line that did not play one snap in the preseason.
Speaker 6: And you could say, well that's smart, it's a veteran
Speaker 6: offensive line, but it's a group that really hasn't played together.
Speaker 6: You know, Joe Tipman was the only guy coming back
Speaker 6: at the same position. You had two new tackles who
Speaker 6: they brought in, Morgan Moses in the trade with Baltimore
Speaker 6: right tackle and Tyron Smith coming from Dallas via free agency.
Speaker 6: And you had John Simpson coming into left guard a
Speaker 6: via free agency from the Ravens also, and you had
Speaker 6: Elijah Vera Tucker who played tackle last year before tearing
Speaker 6: his achilles playing guard again. So it was only one
Speaker 6: guy coming back in the same spot. So Week one
Speaker 6: there were chemistry issues, there were communication issues. Week two
Speaker 6: was a lot better, could get better, even more so
Speaker 6: against New England.
Speaker 1: Sure, I would think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: I guess one of the keys then that we'll be
Speaker 1: looking for is, hey, how much does New York attack
Speaker 1: New England up the middle without the presence of your
Speaker 1: best tackle and your middle linebacker. But number two, you know,
Speaker 1: do you go over the top? Do you? You know? Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson I know is a guy that will certainly probably
Speaker 1: concern New England. I know that last year, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, early we saw Christian Gonzalez before he got hurt.
Speaker 1: I know he matched up a bit with Wilson. So
Speaker 1: any thoughts about those two perhaps tangling again tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Night, Yeah, I think they will. However, the Jets, you know,
Speaker 6: with Rogers, see, the last few quarterbacks that Jets had
Speaker 6: were young guys, and this is common a lot of
Speaker 6: young guys. I'm not picking on the last two quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: And obviously Donald is doing better in Minnesota bo With
Speaker 6: Donald and Zach Wilson, they were basically one read quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers is a full field reader. And there was
Speaker 6: one point in the game in the third quarter where
Speaker 6: the Jets were a little sluggish on offense. But Aaron
Speaker 6: Rodgers made some adjustments and he started to throw to
Speaker 6: the backs more. He started to throw to other receivers more,
Speaker 6: and you know they he made Tennessee pay for the
Speaker 6: fact that they were doubling Garrett Wilson. And that you
Speaker 6: saw two plays after that brilliant play to to Garrett
Speaker 6: Wilson that we were talking about at the beginning of
Speaker 6: the interview, he threw Mike Williams open down the left sideline.
Speaker 6: It was another great play. Mike Williams didn't play a
Speaker 6: lot in the opener, coming off the knee coming over
Speaker 6: from the Chargers. There's another weapon right there. So when
Speaker 6: you have Mike Williams opposite Garrett Wilson and Alan Wizard,
Speaker 6: who was so comfortable with Aaron Rodgers from their time
Speaker 6: in Green Bay, there's a lot of other weapons. And
Speaker 6: unlike the previous two young quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers is going
Speaker 6: to find those other weapons. So Christian Gazalez is the
Speaker 6: heck of a young player, but Aaron Rodgers is not
Speaker 6: going to just stick to Garrett Wilson, if Christian Gazalez
Speaker 6: is covering him, well, he'll go to a one of
Speaker 6: the myriad other weapons they have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's I think that's a that's
Speaker 1: a big key is going to put, you know, max
Speaker 1: pressure on the Patriots secondary, which burned itself by you know,
Speaker 1: the brain cramp they had against Seattle. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: this past weekend and I saw where I think I
Speaker 1: was looking at the snap count on stats just a
Speaker 1: little earlier, Williams had what thirty seven snaps, So it
Speaker 1: looks like he's rounding back into shape as well. And
Speaker 1: if he's healthy and everybody is healthy, Yeah, that's max
Speaker 1: pressure on your secondary. And Rogers would be the kind
Speaker 1: of guy that's got the savvy enough to certainly go
Speaker 1: out and find those guys. I don't have any doubts
Speaker 1: about that. And so then it comes down to pressure.
Speaker 1: Do you make him you know, you know, throw it early?
Speaker 1: I mean, does he is that can you put that
Speaker 1: kind of pressure on the Jets? And I think that's
Speaker 1: a huge factor, which is why I kind of originally
Speaker 1: pointed when I started the program today, I rightly pointed
Speaker 1: to you know, the Patriots key here is key on White.
Speaker 1: He's had a great start, you know, to the season.
Speaker 1: He had a fantastic summer and training camp. He has
Speaker 1: a tendency to beat tackles with his speed, or at
Speaker 1: least not speed, I should say his strength first and
Speaker 1: then his speed second. So he's got to find a
Speaker 1: way to put it together. And I'm sure these will
Speaker 1: all be, you know, focal points for New York defensively
Speaker 1: going against the Patriots offense. Talked about your tackles already,
Speaker 1: and you know up the middle, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's still one of the best tackle
Speaker 1: sets at least that I've been familiar with in a while.
Speaker 1: I really liked the way that the Jets have performed there.
Speaker 1: Where are the concerns on that side of the football
Speaker 1: in terms of consistency, if not playmaking ability or let's
Speaker 1: go a little further, taking the football away from the
Speaker 1: other team's offense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are things that the Patriots can exploit because
Speaker 6: this Jets defense is not complicated, and the Patriots are
Speaker 6: coming off a game against a brilliant young defense of
Speaker 6: mine and McDonald who that's how he got the job
Speaker 6: because in Baltimore, all the complicated games that baffle deposing
Speaker 6: quarterbacks where you know, with fake pressure, real pressure, all
Speaker 6: the things he did. It's really the opposite of what
Speaker 6: the Jets do. The Jets just do what they do.
Speaker 6: You know, they attack you. Like I said, they play
Speaker 6: the run on the way to the quarterback. But there
Speaker 6: this susceptibility there. There was a long scramble up the
Speaker 6: middle by will Levis in Tennessee and I'll never forget,
Speaker 6: you know, Bill Belichick and a lot of coaches do,
Speaker 6: but he would, he would stress, and I'm sure the
Speaker 6: new Patriots coaches stressed. You don't run past the quarterback.
Speaker 6: You just don't do that because when the both when
Speaker 6: both ends run past the quarterback, you basically now have
Speaker 6: nine guys on defense. So on that play where Levis
Speaker 6: ran for a lot of yards up the middle, both
Speaker 6: ends ran past the quarterback. You know, Quincy Williams is
Speaker 6: a good player, but he's so aggressive that sometimes he'll
Speaker 6: run himself out of play. So that's what Van Pelton
Speaker 6: needs to do in terms of play calling. Make them
Speaker 6: go for the cheese and take themselves out of position,
Speaker 6: or if they run too far upfield, Jacoby's going to
Speaker 6: take off and run and Jacoby had success against the
Speaker 6: Jets in a recent game in Cleveland. So this is
Speaker 6: not a complicated defense. It's not the one that's going
Speaker 6: to baffle you with the schemes, and you need to
Speaker 6: take advantage of the simplicity and you've got to, you know,
Speaker 6: come up with ways to find the holes in the scheme.
Speaker 6: And the Jets are a little banged up, as you
Speaker 6: mentioned before. They could be without their second corner, Dj Reed,
Speaker 6: who's dealing with the knee, and their slot corner who
Speaker 6: just got paid, who's very good, Michael Carter. He's got
Speaker 6: a high ankle sprain that's going to probably be a
Speaker 6: problem on an awful year, and on a short week.
Speaker 6: You wonder if both those guys might be inactive, and
Speaker 6: that could really help the Patriots passing game. Those two
Speaker 6: guys are very good players.
Speaker 1: So we see whether or not you know, the Jet
Speaker 1: the chess another Jets can actually play contain, and what
Speaker 1: another Patriots can take advantage of lack of contained. So good,
Speaker 1: there's some good, there's some good back and forth here. Finally,
Speaker 1: then Dan, I got to ask the obvious question. You know,
Speaker 1: last year the Jets snap a you know, an over
Speaker 1: streak against the Patriots and winning here in Foxborough, but
Speaker 1: the Patriots haven't lost. It meant life to the Jets
Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen. Anybody mentioned that this week.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was brought up quite a bit to the
Speaker 6: Jet players. And it's weird these days in the NFL
Speaker 6: because the rosters turnover so much, and people say, well,
Speaker 6: the Jets have missed the playoffs thirteen years in a row,
Speaker 6: and that's not good obviously, and that's currently tied with
Speaker 6: the Buffalo Sabers as the longest streak in any professional
Speaker 6: sports league. But most of these players really have nothing
Speaker 6: to do with it, but that doesn't stop people like
Speaker 6: us from asking them.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: So that is a big That was a big talking
Speaker 6: point this week as far as you know the Jets
Speaker 6: staffing that streak. But I just think with Rogers everything
Speaker 6: is so different as far as the way he goes
Speaker 6: to the line and milks the clock almost down to zero.
Speaker 6: They took, they'll take, they'll take delay against penalties every
Speaker 6: once in a while, which nobody wants. But he's trying
Speaker 6: to read what you're doing. And against the Patriots defense,
Speaker 6: I don't know a ton about the coordinator one way
Speaker 6: or the other. You know a lot more about him
Speaker 6: than I do, but against the young coordinator who's kind
Speaker 6: of new to the position. There's an old thing in
Speaker 6: football about veteran quarterbacks that they'll read your mail at
Speaker 6: the line, and Patriots have to be careful that Rogers
Speaker 6: doesn't come to the line and read their mail consistently
Speaker 6: in terms of what they're doing on defense, because he
Speaker 6: will take advantage of that. And that's why I think
Speaker 6: the Jets win this game. If they had one of
Speaker 6: their previous two quarterbacks, I'd probably picked the Patriots. But
Speaker 6: some of the stuff Rogers did last week against Tennessee
Speaker 6: was just stuff. I have to see her out of
Speaker 6: here in a really long time. Competent, his ability to
Speaker 6: change plays at the line, check off the better plays,
Speaker 6: take advantage of coverage, mismatches, and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Big X factor there. You're talking about DeMarcus Covent, who's
Speaker 1: the first year defensive coordinator for the Patriots, and so
Speaker 1: that kind of leads me then you know into what
Speaker 1: you think or how you think this one might play out.
Speaker 1: You know, frankly, I thought six and a half was
Speaker 1: a bit high of a spread. I don't really expect
Speaker 1: the Patriots myself to win the game. But I'd be
Speaker 1: surprised if this wasn't a one score game that went
Speaker 1: down to the last possession.
Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, you know it's always tough
Speaker 6: on the road team on Thursday night football. You know
Speaker 6: you're all banged up and you're also traveling. However, it's
Speaker 6: such a short trip, so maybe it's not a big deal.
Speaker 6: I just think that the way the Jets are playing
Speaker 6: on offense is something to consider as far as they're
Speaker 6: getting better each week. And Robert said it after the game,
Speaker 6: and it wasn't just coach peak. They're going to get
Speaker 6: better every week with Rogers and all these new players,
Speaker 6: a lot of them who he hasn't played with, like
Speaker 6: Mike Williams. So I think it's going to get better
Speaker 6: every week. And I just think the Rogers factor is
Speaker 6: the deciding factor in this game, because the Jets tend
Speaker 6: to have problems with we go back to Tom Brady
Speaker 6: over the years, or they have problems on defense against
Speaker 6: the veteran quarterbacks that go through their progressions and find
Speaker 6: the holes in the defense. I'm not sure it presents
Speaker 6: that guy or if May plays at some point, if
Speaker 6: he's that guy. So I like the Jets defensively in
Speaker 6: this game. I also like the Rogers factors, so I
Speaker 6: think the Jets. I think that Bread is just about right,
Speaker 6: and I like the Jets.
Speaker 1: What if I told you that I think Drake May
Speaker 1: is going to play tomorrow, well.
Speaker 6: I would like to love to see him in person.
Speaker 6: I don't know if he's ready. You know, you look
Speaker 6: at what's going on with with Bryce Seeng and Caleb Williams,
Speaker 6: and I think Drey has a huge ceiling, but I'm
Speaker 6: not sure if the results will be any different if
Speaker 6: he played this early. Then you know, Caleb Williams and
Speaker 6: obviously Bryce young in his second year but still a
Speaker 6: young player. And I like Drake May. I just don't
Speaker 6: know if he played this early, if the results would
Speaker 6: be much better than what we're seeing from Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: Right now, understood? All right, Dan, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for the time. Really appreciate it. Good luck the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. I hope to talk to you again
Speaker 1: soon anytime. John, Thank you very much. Dan Livererfeld, who
Speaker 1: covers the Jets for Jets Confidential dot Com, joining us
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Speaker 1: we're all in on that one. Interesting points I think
Speaker 1: there from Dan uh You know, always love getting insight
Speaker 1: from the guys that cover a team on a day
Speaker 1: in and day out basis. They cover it way more
Speaker 1: closely than you or I or anybody else could get it,
Speaker 1: no matter how much we read on the net. Right,
Speaker 1: But he's in on Aaron Rodgers. And if the if
Speaker 1: the Jets win Thursday, then it likely will be because
Speaker 1: Rogers is going to pitch them to victory. I would
Speaker 1: tell you that I agree with them one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: If one of those other two quarterbacks were a quarterback
Speaker 1: in that team right now over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, the Patriots have a good chance to
Speaker 1: you know, go too, and one very good chance. As
Speaker 1: it stands, even though Rogers is in there, I still
Speaker 1: right now kind of feel like the Patriots are going
Speaker 1: to cover that six and a half. Patriots are already
Speaker 1: two and zero against the spread, even though they're one
Speaker 1: and one in the season. They've covered the spread in
Speaker 1: both games, and I believe the Patriots are oh gosh, well, no,
Speaker 1: the one that I heard that that's an eye opener
Speaker 1: for me. The Jets are one in seven against the
Speaker 1: spread at home in their last eight primetime games, So
Speaker 1: that tells me, you know, okay, maybe they don't or
Speaker 1: they're not operating correctly under the lights. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I agree with that. I generally believe
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night game, when you're doing the traveling,
Speaker 1: you're playing the short week, that I do think it
Speaker 1: is intrinsically hard for you to bounce back. The one
Speaker 1: thing the Jets have going for them is the fact
Speaker 1: that they are playing this game and their familiar confidence,
Speaker 1: so they're not moving. But if some of those guys
Speaker 1: that Dan was talking about, and this was the interesting
Speaker 1: part I found out he was he mentioned the very
Speaker 1: strong possibility, uh, that a guy like Michael Carter might
Speaker 1: be hobbled, that a guy like DJ Reid might be hobbled.
Speaker 1: Don't yet know what their availability would be, at least uh,
Speaker 1: based on what I've seen thus far. You know, Quinn
Speaker 1: Williams is the one that I love. I'd love to
Speaker 1: have Quinn Williams the Patriot, you know, for I think
Speaker 1: he's a stud, he's a stuffer, He's exactly what you need.
Speaker 1: And you know, so that's that's the guy that you know,
Speaker 1: I think is their their their top effort, and you're
Speaker 1: going to see the Patriots probably try to avoid that
Speaker 1: guy or maybe even double on him. This is where
Speaker 1: zone blocking, which we saw that one big play that
Speaker 1: Gibson busted last week against UH Seattle that was on
Speaker 1: his own play zone blocking play, and I'd like to
Speaker 1: see them try to seal off a guy like william
Speaker 1: and bust something outside with Gibson and or Stevens. I
Speaker 1: think that's where you might have some success, especially as
Speaker 1: Dan pointed out, the problem with the Jets defensively the
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks is their over pursuits. They're already
Speaker 1: too far in the backfield. This is also the problem
Speaker 1: that I've seen at least early that Keon White has.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he doesn't contain well. So the Jets theory is, yeah,
Speaker 1: we want to rush the quarterback, but we got to
Speaker 1: also defend the run along the way. It sounds overly simplistic,
Speaker 1: but it's not easy to do. So if that's their tack,
Speaker 1: then something's going to be open somewhere. And if it's
Speaker 1: over the top, if it's in the middle, okay, And
Speaker 1: if you don't have Jacobi Brissette, get him to get
Speaker 1: them the ball or he can't connect, or he overthrows
Speaker 1: them or he underthrows them or throws a pick or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think it's all kind of adding up to when
Speaker 1: I opened the program with today. I think there's a
Speaker 1: possibility that if things don't go well in the first
Speaker 1: I don't know, quarter half, you could see Drake Man,
Speaker 1: you could see it. I think you know that that
Speaker 1: would be uh, that would be a possibility. All right,
Speaker 1: eight five five pats done.
Speaker 5: I can't find their home record. But last forty games
Speaker 5: all time against the spread, they're eighteen twenty one in one.
Speaker 1: So see, there you go, eighteen twenty one in one
Speaker 1: over the last forty against the spread at.
Speaker 5: Home, No, not at home, just all time, oh all time.
Speaker 5: I can't find that home number. I'd have to break
Speaker 5: it down.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean against the Patriots or just just just
Speaker 1: the Jets against the spread? Oh so so they over that?
Speaker 1: So last forty games. We're talking about two and a
Speaker 1: half seasons, right, eighteen twenty one and one against the spread? Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I would kind of lean that way if
Speaker 1: if I were doing that, I would kind of lean
Speaker 1: that way. Now, well, you tell me the Patriots are
Speaker 1: going to turn the ball over twice or three times,
Speaker 1: which they haven't done yet this year, and that certainly
Speaker 1: kept him in both games, right, I mean, they've got
Speaker 1: to win on the road, and they did go to
Speaker 1: overtime with you know, at least a decent Seattle team,
Speaker 1: not a great Seattle team, a decent team, but a
Speaker 1: team that should likely be in the postseason hunt. You're
Speaker 1: not that far away from being in the hunt yourself,
Speaker 1: I would argue, again, as I said off the top
Speaker 1: that the Patriots shot themselves in the foot, especially with
Speaker 1: that play call at the end of the first tap.
Speaker 1: The clock management was horrible. But I think that if
Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, you got, you know, a young team,
Speaker 1: you got young players, you got to realize you got
Speaker 1: a young coach here that has to make these calls,
Speaker 1: and so I think at least initially, you got to
Speaker 1: cut him a little bit of slack until he learns
Speaker 1: what he should be doing in these situations. So let's
Speaker 1: just say that maybe this last week was a learning
Speaker 1: lesson for a guy like Girod. When it comes to
Speaker 1: the clock management story. You can certainly make that argument,
Speaker 1: I think, but I gotta go harder on you here.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, Okay, that can't happen again. That can't
Speaker 1: happen again. If you're if you're bound and determined to
Speaker 1: play football the way that you've come out playing over
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, I think it's okay. You're
Speaker 1: playing to the strengths of your team. Your lion can block,
Speaker 1: rush block, run block better than they can pass block,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna run the ball. But at some
Speaker 1: point in time, someone's gonna stack the line. They're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, clog the box and they're gonna make you
Speaker 1: go over the top to beat you. And I think
Speaker 1: that could happen Thursday night against the Jets. You gotta
Speaker 1: be ready and a preset can't do it. Next man up,
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Next man up. Chris Mason covers
Speaker 1: the Patriots for mass Live. Masslive dot Com joins us
Speaker 1: here in the playbook. Hey, Chris, how's it going today?
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Sure, thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it. So
Speaker 1: I kind of went out in a limb a little
Speaker 1: bit here and call me crazy. You're perfectly welcome to
Speaker 1: do that. But if things don't go well for the
Speaker 1: Patriots Thursday night, at least don't start well once, say
Speaker 1: they get into a hole and Jacoby Brissette overthrows, underthrows,
Speaker 1: doesn't throw to his receivers. I think Drake May makes
Speaker 1: his debut. What do you think.
Speaker 8: I think he might be a little crazy.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 8: I like it, just I do not think they want
Speaker 8: to put him behind the offensive line right now, especially
Speaker 8: with the Darien low out city so out. David and
Speaker 8: Mike and Wanner are both questionable. I think with the
Speaker 8: state of that offensive line and that Jets defensive front,
Speaker 8: I think the only way he's getting into that game
Speaker 8: is if Jacoby gets hurt.
Speaker 1: Well, that could also happen because he got banged up
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, that's certainly good. That's an avenue. But I
Speaker 8: don't think they're going to give Jacoby the hook in
Speaker 8: this game and just say we want to see what
Speaker 8: Drake king you now. I just don't think that the
Speaker 8: way the offense is built right now, I don't think
Speaker 8: that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: And you know what, Jacobe does aar.
Speaker 8: I was actually diving into some numbers earlier about the
Speaker 8: downfield struggles and everything. So far, he's only attempted two
Speaker 8: passes more than twenty yards, which, honestly, if you can
Speaker 8: even remember the two, you're like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, I don't remember, incredibly low.
Speaker 8: Right, they're both in completions. But even with those short dropbacks,
Speaker 8: he's been hurried twenty one times, which is tenth most
Speaker 8: in the league. He's been hit ten times, which.
Speaker 2: Is fifth most.
Speaker 8: He's been bled down on twenty two point six percent
Speaker 8: of his dropbacks, which is the third most in the league.
Speaker 8: I think this is an offensive line issue more than
Speaker 8: quarterbacks slay than anything right now, where I think about
Speaker 8: what those numbers would be like if there are longer
Speaker 8: developing roots. You know, he's getting hit even more so
Speaker 8: they need to figure it out up front.
Speaker 1: But does his standar reason that a guy like Drake
Speaker 1: may can get rid of the football quicker, that maybe
Speaker 1: that won't be as much of an issue as we're
Speaker 1: thinking it could be.
Speaker 8: I don't really think so, just because at this point
Speaker 8: I think Drake is going to have a tougher time
Speaker 8: reading these defenses. You know, he was out there looking
Speaker 8: in the preseason. Yep, that's all vanilla. If anything, I
Speaker 8: think Jacoby will be able to get the ball out
Speaker 8: quicker because he knows what he's supposed to do with it,
Speaker 8: opposed to if Drake gets thrown to that fire. I
Speaker 8: don't know that a quicker release is what we're gonna
Speaker 8: end up seeing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. My concern is though, that the Jets,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, fill up the box, load up
Speaker 1: the box, and the Patriots can't move the ball and
Speaker 1: Jacoby overthrows receivers or they get locked up or what
Speaker 1: have you. Or you know, they challenge sauce gardener and
Speaker 1: he gets a pick or something like that, then I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what the next step would be other than
Speaker 1: to throw a change of pace. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: a relief pitcher coming in and throwing a slider or
Speaker 1: a curveball or an off speed pitch of some kind,
Speaker 1: because you know, when you keep throwing fastballs and you
Speaker 1: keep whacking fastballs, you got to change it up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I think it might be on Alex Van
Speaker 8: Pelt to be the one to throw that slider, that
Speaker 8: change up, whatever you want to call it there where.
Speaker 8: I think you can do that with play calling to
Speaker 8: some degree. You know, if they're loading the box, they're
Speaker 8: coming with their ears pinned back and they're listening it
Speaker 8: on throw screen passes, you know, try try different things.
Speaker 8: There's countermoves that you can have at this point. So
Speaker 8: I think that to fall on Van Pelt at a
Speaker 8: certain point to you know, get the right plays in
Speaker 8: there and call for a slider if you need one.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the guys that I think certainly will
Speaker 1: have to play a key role again and putting pressure
Speaker 1: on on a guy like Aaron Rodgers has to be
Speaker 1: key on White. I know you did a feature recently
Speaker 1: on key On for Mess Live, and I'm just curious
Speaker 1: as to when you you know, when you hear the kid,
Speaker 1: when you hear him talk, there's a lot of great
Speaker 1: self confidence in his voice. What do you think makes
Speaker 1: him tick? What do you think really drives him? Is
Speaker 1: it just you know that he enjoys the sport. Is
Speaker 1: there a something about him, you know, playing with a
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder? Is he that much of a
Speaker 1: physical mismatch for some of the guys that he's matched up? Again,
Speaker 1: where is he getting a success from do you think?
Speaker 8: I think it's some bit is his physical makeup where
Speaker 8: he definitely has the build. But more than anything, I
Speaker 8: think he wants to be elite and he is really
Speaker 8: just kind of hell bent on doing that however he can.
Speaker 8: One thing that caught my ear over the summer was
Speaker 8: that I would watch the O line D line pass
Speaker 8: rush drills all the time when they would do the
Speaker 8: one on ones. Yeah, and early in camp, Kiwan wasn't
Speaker 8: winning a ton of those, but it's because he was
Speaker 8: going against Mike on WINNU every time, And in talking
Speaker 8: to him after, he was like, yeah, I kept seeking
Speaker 8: Mike out because he's our best off at the climate.
Speaker 8: I want to get better. And I also told myself
Speaker 8: that I wasn't allowed to bull rush against him. I
Speaker 8: which that's his bread and butter. That's his best is
Speaker 8: his bull rush because he has natural strength. But he's saying,
Speaker 8: I want to get better at these other moves, and
Speaker 8: so in trying to do that, you know, he seeks
Speaker 8: out the biggest kid on the block and it's like,
Speaker 8: let's see what I can do against him. So I
Speaker 8: think it's that drive, and I think he really wants
Speaker 8: to be great, and he does the things where you know,
Speaker 8: he's not afraid to look bad or lose a one
Speaker 8: on one drill if he knows that it's going to
Speaker 8: help him in September. And so I think there's some
Speaker 8: humility there that goes a long way too.
Speaker 1: Well, that's I kind of noticed that as well. The humility.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great word that you pick up on,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what you look for when you're
Speaker 1: trying to cultivate new leadership and then they're clearly is
Speaker 1: a leadership void now because your defensive captain is gone
Speaker 1: with you know, Juwan Bentley, he's untimely injured this past week.
Speaker 1: So is White the kind of gad that you know unexpectedly,
Speaker 1: might you know, fill that void if he's you know,
Speaker 1: able to continue to play and be effective.
Speaker 8: Definitely. And he really caught my ear on Sunday, So
Speaker 8: spill the curtain back a little. He was early. Keon
Speaker 8: was early. He was one of the guys that was
Speaker 8: going to speak to the media at the podium. Keon
Speaker 8: was early there, so he just sat in the front
Speaker 8: row and listened to the end of Jacoby's press conference.
Speaker 8: He clearly didn't like Jacoby's tone or like the way
Speaker 8: that he was taking some blame. So he got up
Speaker 8: there and he said, look, first things first, our offense
Speaker 8: didn't have to win this game today. As a defense,
Speaker 8: we need to play better. I need to play better.
Speaker 8: And then he goes through and names like defensive line
Speaker 8: needs to better, linebackers need to be better, dbs need
Speaker 8: to be better. And this is a guy that was
Speaker 8: quiet as a rookie. He's really quiet. But to see
Speaker 8: him in the second year, not only you know, speaking
Speaker 8: for the entire defense, but challenging him too, that caught
Speaker 8: my ear really and I was like, Okay, they might
Speaker 8: have something here, and John Mayo singles them out as
Speaker 8: someone whose leadership is grown too. So I think you're
Speaker 8: starting to see that in real time.
Speaker 1: Nine pressures against the Seahawks, nine of them. Now you know,
Speaker 1: he you know, had a sack and a half. But
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, how do you convert the pressures
Speaker 1: into sacks? What do you see where it's lacking that
Speaker 1: he might be able to, you know, flip the switch
Speaker 1: on and come up with a couple extra sacks here.
Speaker 8: So some of that it's really interesting where I thought
Speaker 8: that he probably played better against the Seahawks than he
Speaker 8: did against the Bengals where he was get against the
Speaker 8: Bengals in the opener. He finished that game with two
Speaker 8: and a half sacks, you know. So some it's just subjective.
Speaker 8: And if he's beating his guy so badly up the middle,
Speaker 8: that's going to inherently force the quarterback out of the pocket,
Speaker 8: which I think he saw Geno Smith on at least
Speaker 8: one occasion where suddenly he's running right into the edge
Speaker 8: rusher and maybe that's Shashu j maybe that's whoever's there.
Speaker 8: It gets the sack. So I think at a certain
Speaker 8: point the pressures are almost. I'm not going to say
Speaker 8: they're more valuable than the sacks, right, if you bring
Speaker 8: the guy down, you bring the guy down. But if
Speaker 8: you're helping the teammate get a sack, you might not
Speaker 8: get into the box store. But it's your pass rush
Speaker 8: that really keep the entire thing.
Speaker 1: And we've seen that from him and I think that's
Speaker 1: actually where his value to this defense is. He can
Speaker 1: get in there so quickly, and I know he's been
Speaker 1: working on some of those sweet moves and the speed
Speaker 1: moves rather than the bull rush that you mentioned. Uh man,
Speaker 1: you do that, that's going to open up some opportunities
Speaker 1: for anybody else who can you know, beat their man
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely. And it's it's funny. It's like, after watching
Speaker 8: Tom Brady for so many years, the way to get
Speaker 8: him off the game most was like interior pressure. You know,
Speaker 8: if you can get pressure through the A gap and
Speaker 8: he can't sit in the pocket anymore, that's when you
Speaker 8: start to really like rattle at quarterback like that. And
Speaker 8: I think with Keon and the ability to rush the
Speaker 8: way he has from the interior, you're gonna see some
Speaker 8: good things happen where quarterbacks aren't coachbable sitting in the pocket,
Speaker 8: stepping up, and I think that's gonna lead to more
Speaker 8: sacks for everyone on that defense.
Speaker 1: You know, a guy like Aaron Rodgers who they'll be
Speaker 1: going up against, you know, a quarterback with that kind
Speaker 1: of veteran savvy that he has. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he has the elusiveness that a guy like Gino Smith.
Speaker 1: You know, certainly, you know, showed that he can, you know,
Speaker 1: still possess last week. But at the same time, you
Speaker 1: got stuff upstairs that sometimes can't be measured. What would
Speaker 1: be the biggest way to really you think that maybe
Speaker 1: for this Patriot team to try to give Rogers trouble
Speaker 1: because for a forty year old guy, he's seen it
Speaker 1: all pretty much.
Speaker 8: I think a big part of the if they can
Speaker 8: just generate pressure by rushing four and that's a big thing,
Speaker 8: just because, like you said, you're not gonna fool him.
Speaker 8: You know, he's seen everything. Sorry, my thought's trying to
Speaker 8: hop on the coll fume he.
Speaker 1: He can he bring him on. It's all right, it's
Speaker 1: a family show. And yeah it includes pets too. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 8: But I think if you can get pressure with four
Speaker 8: and drop back into coverage to some degree. I think
Speaker 8: that's your roadmap to success there, because I don't think
Speaker 8: you're going to fool him with exotic coverages. I don't
Speaker 8: think you're gonna fol him with a lot of blitzes.
Speaker 8: But if you can get your if you can get
Speaker 8: pressure with your front, then I think that's gonna be
Speaker 8: a major key.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. All right, And so then you know,
Speaker 1: I think we kind of expect the Patriots to do,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully what they've done well thus far. I
Speaker 1: expect the Jets to counter. So how do the Patriots recounter.
Speaker 8: I think they should start using more play action than
Speaker 8: they have where if, like you said, they're going to
Speaker 8: load the box, you know, they know they want to
Speaker 8: run the ball. Drod has told everyone we want to
Speaker 8: run the ball. Okay, start running more play actions. They've
Speaker 8: only run twelve play action plays through two games, which
Speaker 8: is it's down low. I think it's like twenty eighth
Speaker 8: in the league. With the running game going the way
Speaker 8: it is, linebackers are going to bite on that. You know,
Speaker 8: it is a valuable tool. So I'd like to see
Speaker 8: more play action and I think that's an easy adjustment
Speaker 8: that they could make and that might buy some more
Speaker 8: time for some downfield for us to progress. You know,
Speaker 8: he's using the linebackers and boom.
Speaker 1: Are you also in the corner of the got to
Speaker 1: figure out a way any way you can to get
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas the ball a little bit more, definitely, And.
Speaker 8: I'm surprised that that hasn't been happening, just because they're
Speaker 8: not throwing downfield and he's one of those guys that
Speaker 8: gets open on the plant route, the under routes, anything
Speaker 8: all the time. So I'm kind of hasn't seen more targets,
Speaker 8: especially because it looked like he had some really good
Speaker 8: chemistry going with Jacoby Drake. Honestly, any quarterback there in
Speaker 8: the summer, he was like their best friend. He just
Speaker 8: gets open in a way that a lot of other
Speaker 8: guys don't.
Speaker 1: Is that is that a Brissette problem or is that
Speaker 1: an alex Unpelt problem.
Speaker 8: It's like situational. I think it's a little of both, honestly,
Speaker 8: where I do think Jacoby has to look its way
Speaker 8: more than he has been. But if teams are doubling him,
Speaker 8: then eventually someone else has to get open too. That's
Speaker 8: the thing with like the whole receiving corps hasn't given
Speaker 8: you enough so far. It's kind of crazy that year
Speaker 8: one on one could be two and oh here given
Speaker 8: the contributions from wide receivers thus.
Speaker 1: Far right, Okay, so what do you think then happens
Speaker 1: tomorrow night? You know, the Patriots are going to a
Speaker 1: place they haven't lost since twenty fifteen. They had a
Speaker 1: fifteen game winning streak snap last year when the Jets
Speaker 1: won here at Gillette. What's it obviously going to take
Speaker 1: in your estimation for them to continue winning ways on
Speaker 1: the road here?
Speaker 8: I think the Jets are going to win this game
Speaker 8: just given the state of the Patriots offensive line right now,
Speaker 8: where you know they struggle to begin the year in
Speaker 8: pass pro, and now you're down to Darien Lowe shoots
Speaker 8: a cor force not with the team anymore. You're Kiden
Speaker 8: Wallace into the fire. And then you have David Andrews
Speaker 8: Mike on went who banged up. So best case scenario,
Speaker 8: you're able to run the ball squeak out a low
Speaker 8: scoring win. But the Patriots defense is going to have
Speaker 8: to play a huge game for that to happen, because
Speaker 8: I don't think the offense is going to score a
Speaker 8: lot of points in this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of there with you on that one,
Speaker 1: which is why I'd like to see them, you know,
Speaker 1: throw a change up that nobody expects, even if you know,
Speaker 1: even if it's only a package of plays, I think
Speaker 1: it would be certainly put some juice in the thing.
Speaker 1: Chris Mason covers the Patriots from mass Live mass live
Speaker 1: dot com. Thanks for joining us, Chris, appreciate you.
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: You got it all right. So there's Chris. You can
Speaker 1: get him on X at buy Chris Mason. Be why
Speaker 1: Chris Mason. That's where you get him on X If
Speaker 1: you want to follow his stuff, you get a chance
Speaker 1: to do that, all right. So so interesting though that
Speaker 1: everybody so far and the two reporters that we've talked to,
Speaker 1: But it just seems to me that nobody expects the
Speaker 1: Patriots to win this game. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: the Jets are all that, do you. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel better about this game than I did last week
Speaker 1: against Seattle, and I actually thought the Patriots would win
Speaker 1: last week. I didn't make a prediction or anything, but
Speaker 1: I just I kind of felt like this was a
Speaker 1: really good opportunity for them to sneak up on some people.
Speaker 1: And frankly, if they had just been smarter than I
Speaker 1: think they win that game in regulation. It was a
Speaker 1: great football game. It went right down to the end.
Speaker 1: Obviously you go into overtime, but then you leave the game,
Speaker 1: you leave the stadium thinking, wow, did they blew that?
Speaker 1: They blew that? So how do they unblow it against
Speaker 1: the Jets, because they've had karma going against the Jets
Speaker 1: for at least the last ten years, if not more.
Speaker 1: Just I you know, listen, if you play a clean game,
Speaker 1: in other words, you don't turn it over, and you
Speaker 1: don't commit stupid penalties, and you can keep from brain
Speaker 1: farting like they did with clock management at the end
Speaker 1: of the first half. And again I'm saying a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that if if IF and I mentioned early
Speaker 1: in the program today. As you know, the margin of
Speaker 1: error is really thin for this team, but they make
Speaker 1: one mistake and it costs them, and they play cleanly,
Speaker 1: and they went on the road against a pretty good
Speaker 1: Cincinnati team. Although Cincinnati zero and two, you know, through
Speaker 1: no fault of their own. I mean, you know, they
Speaker 1: I think they underestimated the Patriots, and then you know,
Speaker 1: Kansas City is going to Kansas City Chiefs are going
Speaker 1: to a chief you know, and they last second field
Speaker 1: goal beats them. And so now the Bengals are zero
Speaker 1: and two for a second straight year, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think they're a bad football
Speaker 1: team at all. I got a lot of talent. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I feel like this team is
Speaker 1: in position to win. You can see it, and I
Speaker 1: know the initial thought is is you don't want to
Speaker 1: rush it. You can see progress, it's there. And yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of little things that we like to
Speaker 1: nitpick on. Remember when we used to do nitpick Tuesdays
Speaker 1: here on the show, and we just sit here and
Speaker 1: you know, and you know we're gonna do nothing. You know, hey,
Speaker 1: well they won the game, didn't they. But we found
Speaker 1: all these little things that we could nitpick on and
Speaker 1: that you know, could use improvement. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: when you're winning and you're you're you're going to super
Speaker 1: Bowls and you're winning championships, that it's easy to nitpick
Speaker 1: because you you you can identify the things that are
Speaker 1: going wrong because there's so few and far between. But
Speaker 1: when the winning isn't occurring with regularity like you did
Speaker 1: just a few short years ago. You've got all these
Speaker 1: nitpicks to choose from, and so now, you know, I
Speaker 1: think the goal here is to find the ones that
Speaker 1: are really costing you games. And and these are not
Speaker 1: really nitpicks. They're probably more like fundamental flaws.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And the you know, the largest fundamental flaw that we
Speaker 1: can find, I think, and we can all pretty much
Speaker 1: agree on this one is, you know, play on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. But you know, if if they can get
Speaker 1: one of these rookies to come and play, Caden Wallace
Speaker 1: is gonna get that chance. It looks like, you know,
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. So nothing like throwing a rookie into the
Speaker 1: end of the fire, at least initially. If you get
Speaker 1: a cold, strange back before you know, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden done, you know, then you're automatically gonna have more depth,
Speaker 1: more ability. If you can continue to develop the you know,
Speaker 1: get cities so back from his injury as well, then
Speaker 1: that the depth automatically increases. And you've got some guys
Speaker 1: that have some ability, but it just takes them some
Speaker 1: time to be able to gel together. Keep in mind
Speaker 1: now on the offensive line. You got five guys, two tackles,
Speaker 1: two guards to the center who have to play as a
Speaker 1: single unit. They got to play in concert with each other.
Speaker 1: They gotta move together. They gotta know the calls. They
Speaker 1: gotta know which way they're blocking. They gotta know past block,
Speaker 1: run block, they gotta know where they're gott to seal.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of things they have to
Speaker 1: do together. And if the five guys aren't able to
Speaker 1: be together on it, one guy fails on his job,
Speaker 1: the team probably isn't going to move the ball. So
Speaker 1: when you talk about being in sync, it's the offensive
Speaker 1: line that's being sync more than any other positional place
Speaker 1: on the football team. And I would argue the secondary
Speaker 1: is next. And we saw what a blow up and
Speaker 1: the secondary can do. It costs you a score that
Speaker 1: ultimately cost you the game this past Sunday. So the
Speaker 1: offensive line is really the challenge. How do you mitigate
Speaker 1: the issues that you have within the offensive line? And
Speaker 1: I think that's where the Patriots are and I think
Speaker 1: that's where you know, a guy like Alex van Pelt
Speaker 1: has to figure out a way and has been trying
Speaker 1: to figure out a way for the first couple of
Speaker 1: weeks of the season. But now, you know, especially now
Speaker 1: when you're you know, preparing for a Jets team that
Speaker 1: knows the Patriots are going to run the football, they
Speaker 1: know it. How do you counter That's why I asked
Speaker 1: the question earlier. How do you counteract that? What's your
Speaker 1: what's your you know, what's your blowback? And uh, this
Speaker 1: is this is a game for Alex van Pelt, I
Speaker 1: think to show all of us, you know, his ability,
Speaker 1: his creativity, his imagination, whatever it may be, in terms
Speaker 1: of his ability to get guys open. And then if
Speaker 1: he can get guys open and you go be Bressett
Speaker 1: can't connect with them, now you've got an entirely different issue.
Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, at least initially, that's
Speaker 1: that's where you know the Patriots can have success or
Speaker 1: lack thereof, is how creative can Alex van Pelt get
Speaker 1: in trying to get some guys open? Uh so the quarterback,
Speaker 1: whoever it is, can get the ball to them. Huge issue,
Speaker 1: Patty and aguam, Hey.
Speaker 3: Patty, Hey, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Let me your blowtorches on.
Speaker 4: Buddy.
Speaker 1: You're are you who you? What are you welding?
Speaker 9: I'm just working on a refrigeration deck.
Speaker 1: Got you, okay, all right.
Speaker 9: I had my acetylene towards going. Sorry about that, sir.
Speaker 1: No worries at all, I hope I'm not interrupting anything.
Speaker 4: Not at all.
Speaker 9: Okay, this is what I do, Baby, to listen to
Speaker 9: Patriots dot Com Radio while I'm working. Not help the
Speaker 9: dago by a little bit quicker.
Speaker 1: Love it, love it, love it? So uh, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on on on tomorrow?
Speaker 9: I don't have a really good feeling about the game tomorrow, John,
Speaker 9: just because of coming out of last week's game, I
Speaker 9: think pretty much, you know, I don't was just a
Speaker 9: kind of a phony Bologny projection of excuse me, of
Speaker 9: an injured injury report, but like all of our whole
Speaker 9: starting line was on there. Yeah, it's and so far
Speaker 9: through two games, Jacoby hasn't shown the ability to push
Speaker 9: the ball down field. I do think we'll be able
Speaker 9: to run a little bit on this team. But I'll
Speaker 9: tell you what really scares me about the It's not
Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers, it's not Garrett Wilson, Mike Williams. It's it's
Speaker 9: Breece Hallum, Brelan Allen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we didn't really touch on that a lot.
Speaker 1: But I really like Briess Hall. I think he's one
Speaker 1: of the best young, exciting running backs in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's he's got some elusiveness, he's got some strength. I
Speaker 1: thought he was a really good player at Iowa State,
Speaker 1: you know, and now that he's rounding back into physical shape, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, after an injury, I I think he's a
Speaker 1: kind of a secret weapon for the Jets.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Same thing with Alan. I know he's a rookie, but
Speaker 9: I really liked him coming out of Wisconsin. This past year.
Speaker 9: I was pissed, I was sorry, for lack of a
Speaker 9: better term, that the Jets drafted him with their in
Speaker 9: the third round because I wanted to see him here
Speaker 9: in Patriots flu. But I mean, that's that's coming gun,
Speaker 9: and now we got to face him on the field
Speaker 9: on Thursday night. Yeah, I mean, Rogers. One thing that
Speaker 9: might help us is that like he at least through
Speaker 9: two games, he doesn't look like he's as mobile as
Speaker 9: he used to be. Like he's he's basically just sitting
Speaker 9: back in the pocket, and he's still gets through the
Speaker 9: ball quickly. I mean, he's still got the laser and
Speaker 9: he can put it pretty much wherever he wants to
Speaker 9: put it on the field. But I think if our
Speaker 9: secondary holds up and we're able to match these guys,
Speaker 9: I mean, we should be able to get some decent
Speaker 9: pressure on him, especially if we can keep him in
Speaker 9: the pocket. But being as smart as he is, I
Speaker 9: think a lot of a lot of a lot of
Speaker 9: their offensive game plan I think is going to be
Speaker 9: called at the line. Like I think if if we
Speaker 9: load up the box to stop the run, he's probably
Speaker 9: going to push a quick one out there. If they
Speaker 9: start playing the too deep that they've been playing for
Speaker 9: the majority of the defensive snaps over the two first
Speaker 9: two games, I think he's just going to hand the
Speaker 9: ball off and try and gash our defense. And I'm
Speaker 9: not expecting this one to be close just because because
Speaker 9: of everything I said, most because the lines banged up,
Speaker 9: and I mean I would like this to be another
Speaker 9: kind of big Antonio Gibson game too, you know, take
Speaker 9: some pressure off for Madre. He had over what twenty
Speaker 9: five carries the first game nineteen last game. Yes, you know,
Speaker 9: give him a little bit of a break the short week.
Speaker 9: You know, Gibson probably has fresher legs at this point
Speaker 9: just because he wasn't really utilizing the first game. I
Speaker 9: hate to say it, but I'm picking the Jets win.
Speaker 9: I think they're gonna cover to twenty seven to thirteen.
Speaker 1: Wow, and you think they're gonna cover, I'm gonna cover.
Speaker 1: I'm stunned by that, Patty, You're usually captain, you know,
Speaker 1: captain optimistic.
Speaker 9: I know I wear the footy pajama, the Patriots footy pajamas.
Speaker 9: But I also like just just from trends, you know,
Speaker 9: I try and look at trends more than anything. And
Speaker 9: that's why I thought they would beat Cincinnati in the
Speaker 9: first week. That's why I thought they were going to
Speaker 9: beat Seattle this past week. But uh, you know, Gino
Speaker 9: Smith had other plans. Good on him. I mean, he's
Speaker 9: he's played good and you know, he ever since he
Speaker 9: he went to Seattle's he's been a really good player.
Speaker 9: And that's good for him, you know. But yeah, just
Speaker 9: it's it's just it's a whole conglomeration of everything this
Speaker 9: week that I just I just got a bad feeling
Speaker 9: about this this game. And hopefully John I'll call on
Speaker 9: Wednesday and say, Wow, I can't believe how wrong and stupid, well.
Speaker 1: I just wow, I'm just I'm really a little surprised
Speaker 1: by this because I felt exactly the opposite all week,
Speaker 1: exactly the opposite. Oh wait, I'm like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is where this team sets puts the good foot forward
Speaker 1: this week. And I know it's a short week, it
Speaker 1: really kind of defies the odds, if you will. I
Speaker 1: think that what the papers do well on offense kind
Speaker 1: of plays into the Jets' hands in that regard. I
Speaker 1: just I just feel like, you know, because the Patriots
Speaker 1: were so damn close this past Sunday and they know
Speaker 1: where they screwed up, that if you make just one
Speaker 1: little tweak here and there, you got an opportunity to
Speaker 1: play and win a game against a team that I
Speaker 1: don't think is as good as the Seahawks, at least
Speaker 1: right now. And again, I know we don't really we
Speaker 1: really don't know again what a team is until your
Speaker 1: you know, at the halfway point of the year. I
Speaker 1: think traditionally that's when you know what kind of a
Speaker 1: team you have. But I just I just wow, I
Speaker 1: don't see it. And I've had every I had people coming,
Speaker 1: I had students coming in to my office today. I say, well,
Speaker 1: how beout. Are the Jets gonna beat the Patriots Thursday night?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you think that's gonna happen? And
Speaker 1: then I'm like, yeah, I don't see them beating the Jets.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, oh my god, he's all that, and I'm like, really, really,
Speaker 1: I said, you realize now, Aaron Rodgers is forty. He's
Speaker 1: a man, He's forty, you know. So I mean, but
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a little surprised by that. I'm sensing
Speaker 1: a real Debbie Downer here that we're people are frustrated,
Speaker 1: which is why I want to win the damn football game.
Speaker 1: Drake may.
Speaker 9: John was after last week's game too. I was like,
Speaker 9: I wasn't really that upset about it. I just kind
Speaker 9: of went, it's growing pains. You know, they're a young team.
Speaker 1: It's well, you're taking insensibly, You're you're taking insensibly, Patty,
Speaker 1: which I really appreciate out of you, But damn it,
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated. I want WS.
Speaker 9: I want WS two. I just I don't see it
Speaker 9: happening this week. And you know what it's like, whenever
Speaker 9: whenever I watched the Jets win a game, it's like
Speaker 9: I want to stab my eyeballs out with a fork.
Speaker 9: You know, it's it's terrible. I have this theory on
Speaker 9: that there's no such there's no such thing as a
Speaker 9: real Jets fan. There's only status.
Speaker 1: By the way, stab your eyeballs out with a fork.
Speaker 1: Pete Gillen, when he was a coaching probably his collar,
Speaker 1: used to tell me they're trying to scoop my eyeballs
Speaker 1: out with a spoon. God wide, a Lord, that's just
Speaker 1: an awful visual or like they're up. Wow. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, all right, I guess I get it.
Speaker 1: I just you know, I'm surprised. I'm just surprised. I
Speaker 1: give the Patriots, I mean, and guess what, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to may a cup, although I'll be unhappy.
Speaker 1: But you know, if the Jets cover and they dominate
Speaker 1: like you say they're going to dominate, well then you know,
Speaker 1: next week we come back on the show and we said,
Speaker 1: totally misread that, Mike tea Ley, you know, call me
Speaker 1: now for your free reading. It didn't work, frauds.
Speaker 9: And and how many times is even I think up
Speaker 9: until the last game of last season, like even with
Speaker 9: Mac Jones as our quarterback, did I say, yeah, they're
Speaker 9: gonna win. It's the Jets. Come on, what have they
Speaker 9: ever done anything?
Speaker 1: Well, they would, They did split with the Jets last year,
Speaker 1: and like I said earlier, they haven't lost at met
Speaker 1: Life in you know, since twenty fifteen. That's nine years ago.
Speaker 1: So they've had They've had great. They've had more success
Speaker 1: on the Rogans the Jets than any other team I
Speaker 1: can possibly.
Speaker 9: Think of, so infamous Ryan Fit's Magic Game where we
Speaker 9: gave the ball to him in overtime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, that's right. So if you don't give the
Speaker 1: ball to them and you can play you know, keep
Speaker 1: it close to the vest and and and not you know,
Speaker 1: have you know, the the late second quarter brain cramp
Speaker 1: like they had this past Sunday, then okay, why can't
Speaker 1: they win the game? Why can't they win this game?
Speaker 9: Like one of the guys from PEW said this earlier
Speaker 9: last week when they said, you know, I think if
Speaker 9: they played the Seattle game and they don't, they can't
Speaker 9: come up with a turnover. I think Seattle wins. I
Speaker 9: think the path to beating the Jets is turning them over.
Speaker 9: You have to get lucky, and you have to at
Speaker 9: least get like a couple turnovers, okay. And the crap
Speaker 9: the crappy thing about Rogers is I mean he really
Speaker 9: doesn't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: Okay, I bought, Yeah, I'll buy that. I will buy that.
Speaker 1: If you probably are gonna have to pick up a
Speaker 1: turnover or two, I'll buy that. If they can't, the
Speaker 1: defense can't, you know, for some a Jets mistake, then
Speaker 1: that's where the Jets can win.
Speaker 10: Absolutely all right, And the next next week, I got
Speaker 10: a long drawn out question for you, and I'm hoping
Speaker 10: at some point during that Matt, Matt will drop this
Speaker 10: cool story handel sound drop while I'm while I'm saying it.
Speaker 9: So I start, I'll talk to you and Marine, well,
Speaker 9: i'll talk. I'll probably talk to Marine on tomorrow night.
Speaker 9: Good enough, talk to you next Wednesday. John, Yes, sir,
Speaker 9: let's hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: You got it. I'm gonna hope you're wrong too. Thank you. Patty.
Speaker 1: Let's get Nelson in l a here. Hey, Nelson, you're
Speaker 1: in the playbook. It's all good. What are we working
Speaker 1: on today?
Speaker 2: We all stand by right now.
Speaker 1: Stand by? All right, okay, all right, that's good. No, no,
Speaker 1: no heavy lifting.
Speaker 2: We messed up this weekend. Man, I thought we were
Speaker 2: going to get to w.
Speaker 1: I know, I know it was all bad.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, why would why can we white? Can
Speaker 2: we go for the first on the fourth and.
Speaker 1: First in the overtime? Yeah, we were right there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go for it. Yeah, I mean you certainly can make
Speaker 1: a claim that that would have been another you know
Speaker 1: move that you know sometimes you know, you just gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta take a shot. And uh, I understand the frustration.
Speaker 1: The one that you know obviously bothered me the most was,
Speaker 1: you know when they you know, threw the ball deep
Speaker 1: in there into the field late at the end of
Speaker 1: the second quarter and then Seattle called time out and
Speaker 1: then the clock was stopped and then they were able
Speaker 1: to get the ball back with thirty seconds and they
Speaker 1: ended up getting a field goal. They ended up really
Speaker 1: being the difference maker in the game. That was just
Speaker 1: really bad, bad, bad Without thinking about it, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like wow, because sometimes you have to coach to
Speaker 1: not beat yourself, and they totally coached to beat themselves
Speaker 1: last week.
Speaker 2: Yo, And I hope they flip it over and I'm
Speaker 2: going twenty seven to twenty the Pagers all the way
Speaker 2: all the week.
Speaker 1: Well, you're You're the first Nelson. You'll be happy to
Speaker 1: know you're the first one that I've spoken to all
Speaker 1: day today.
Speaker 2: Our cornerback.
Speaker 1: Who you mean Gonzales?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna get his first interceptions that gave.
Speaker 1: Oh get it, get a pick?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: See? Okay, quarter? Okay, So you think Gonzales gets the
Speaker 1: pick when they try to throw to Garrett Wilson, because
Speaker 1: I think that's where that matchup will probably be. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Well then if that happens, then you have
Speaker 1: to call back next week and you have to brag
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I'm an brag about it.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 1: All right, twenty seven to twenty all right? I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. Can Aaron Rodgers still play? Do you
Speaker 1: think can Aaron Rodgers still play?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He could pay it. But if we get in there
Speaker 2: and we get in the pocket, he can't run like
Speaker 2: that no more. You can't move like that?
Speaker 1: Well no, And that's where I think if you flush him,
Speaker 1: then I think you're you're probably a good shape.
Speaker 2: And that's when he's gonna make a mistake, and then
Speaker 2: that's that's when it's gonna come back and bite him
Speaker 2: in his assy.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, good stuff. Hey, be safe at work now,
Speaker 1: all right, good tooth sir. Thanks hearing you. Appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Nelson in Los Angeles working out in the
Speaker 1: oil fields or wherever he is out there. That's you know,
Speaker 1: he's got some grammy work going on there. Appreciate you, Nelson. Absolutely. Hey,
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Speaker 1: e ff. Come on, she got a little class.
Speaker 7: All right, How very English of you, How very English?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: And then uh, let's see where else do I have
Speaker 1: this one? I got oh aiden from California, John Man.
Speaker 1: That was a close game that we fumbled away. But
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this as a glass half full. These
Speaker 1: are learning lessons for Gerard and the staff. All right,
Speaker 1: we did talk about that Aiden. You're correct, and I
Speaker 1: did say that, you know, okay, he gets the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. He gets a couple of screw ups
Speaker 1: on his side. He screwed it up, but he gets
Speaker 1: that benevit of the doubt because he is a rookie coach.
Speaker 1: You got to learn, you got to learn. Let's just
Speaker 1: hope it doesn't happen too often. Should you be giving
Speaker 1: the ball back before the half so they can score it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But again, if the coaches can learn from this and
Speaker 1: not be error repeaters, I'm okay with these growing paints,
Speaker 1: that's the key. Can't do it again. Got to recognize
Speaker 1: it the next time, you know, what this is probably
Speaker 1: not the greatest situation to pass the ball, probably not
Speaker 1: the greatest situation through because if we don't complete the pass,
Speaker 1: it stops the clock. He gives the team more time
Speaker 1: to come back and score on us at the end
Speaker 1: of the half. It's a long and grueling season. I'm
Speaker 1: just glad this is a more watchable product than what
Speaker 1: the last year coach made his go through. Last year, coach,
Speaker 1: we can't even say this name, say my name, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I admitted that off the top today. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a better team than last year already.
Speaker 1: I think it's more together. I think it's obviously. I
Speaker 1: think it's more disciplined, or at least there's more attention
Speaker 1: to the discipline on the field, and that's through because
Speaker 1: of the lack of mistakes. The biggest mistake this team
Speaker 1: has made through two weeks has been the clock management issue.
Speaker 1: And they didn't come from the players necessarily. Not necessarily,
Speaker 1: they have to be getting direction from the sideline. Right
Speaker 1: it's Jets week. I'm picking them to win. I assume
Speaker 1: he means the Patriots to win twenty three to twenty one.
Speaker 1: This is more a hate pick than anything else. Love
Speaker 1: the show. All right, thank you, Aiden, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I mean, so we've had two in a row. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we can continue that trend. God, was
Speaker 1: I really that off on this? I mean, did you
Speaker 1: think that marine? Did you think that you know the
Speaker 1: Patriots were gonna get beat this week?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean you know and this we're not
Speaker 1: promised a thought to that, but no, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: You didn't think it's I mean, it's the Jets, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, and look, I realized that, you know, the
Speaker 1: Jets are you know, pros like everybody else. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think we've seen this a lot over the last
Speaker 1: decade plus.
Speaker 7: The Jets will jet.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. That's exactly right, the Jets will jet.
Speaker 1: That's why when people said, oh, you know, this team
Speaker 1: is going to be a contender in the AFC gigs
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm like, not until I see them
Speaker 1: win a couple of games first. There's no way. There's
Speaker 1: just no way. Now, Aaron Rodgers can prove us all wrong,
Speaker 1: and you know, he might dominate. I don't think he will,
Speaker 1: but he might. And if he does, yeah, then it's
Speaker 1: maya Maxima copa but until I got to be from
Speaker 1: the state of Missouri. Show me.
Speaker 2: It's a real woman, could stop you from drinking.
Speaker 8: That's a real big woman.
Speaker 11: It's time to go around the NFL with football guru
Speaker 11: Russell Baxters.
Speaker 1: Now the name is Flounder on Patriots playbook Russell Baxter
Speaker 1: Week three in the NFL. Good afternoon, Russell, how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good, sir, How are you? Jets? Patriots week Thursday Night?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I'm a little disappointed because I was hoping this game
Speaker 4: within Foxborough and I would get to see you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, we don't get a whole lot of
Speaker 1: primetime opportunity this year for obvious reasons because the team
Speaker 1: just you know, hitting very good. But at one, you know, I'm.
Speaker 4: More disappointed than Roger Cadell did not call me back.
Speaker 1: Wait, you're not on his speed dial?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, obviously.
Speaker 1: Not No, that's all right, Okay, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think I'm on his rotary phone either.
Speaker 1: I'm not on his rotary either. I know that. I guess. Well,
Speaker 1: since you brought it up Thursday night, you know, the
Speaker 1: Patriots and the Jets are both playing their third game
Speaker 1: in eleven days to start the season. When is this
Speaker 1: gonna catch up to the NFL, and could you see
Speaker 1: the eventuality of the possibilities worn down the line that
Speaker 1: they decide that the discretion is the better part of
Speaker 1: valor and keeping guys healthier longer, especially if they go
Speaker 1: to eighteen regular season games and doing something else besides
Speaker 1: Thursday night football.
Speaker 4: I certainly don't rule it out. And by the way,
Speaker 4: the Jets even shorter week. Remember they played Monday night.
Speaker 4: Yeah the first.
Speaker 1: Week, Yeah they did.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so Monday night Sunday and now Thursday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's right. So there are day days shorter
Speaker 1: prep time than the Patriots have to start.
Speaker 4: That's right, exactly. So, but fortunately it's a divisional game
Speaker 4: and probably not a lot of prep for either team.
Speaker 4: Obviously they know each other well, and we also know
Speaker 4: that the Patriots have really had their way with the
Speaker 4: Jets for you know, I don't think Bill Belichick ever
Speaker 4: recovered from losing that playoff game in.
Speaker 1: Two No, no, no, I don't think so either, right.
Speaker 4: But irony of irony, Bill Belichick's last game as Patriots
Speaker 4: head coach saw their long winning streak over the Jets
Speaker 4: end in Week eighteen, So you know it's strange as
Speaker 4: may seem, but you know, you got two teams here,
Speaker 4: one who won last week after watching their defense get
Speaker 4: pushed around by the forty nine ers. Yeah, and a
Speaker 4: Patriots team. Now I know they lost last week in overtime,
Speaker 4: but I agree with whoever said it about five minutes ago.
Speaker 4: This is a better football team. It looks like there's
Speaker 4: more cohesion. The physicality is certainly there. It would have
Speaker 4: been nice if they could find a way to cover
Speaker 4: you know, locket In Metcalf for true, but you know,
Speaker 4: give Gino Smith his due, you know, as a comeback
Speaker 4: player of the year a couple of years ago. Last
Speaker 4: year took a little dip and this year bought to
Speaker 4: a good start. You know, I find it very fascinating that,
Speaker 4: especially this past week. You know, I watch you know,
Speaker 4: Mike McDonald with Michael McDonald, you know those defensive coaches
Speaker 4: who don't know anything about offense. They're two and oh yeah,
Speaker 4: right and low and obviously Steelers, you know, have been
Speaker 4: futured on offense, but they're two and o. So you know,
Speaker 4: you could go down the whole long laundry listeners though
Speaker 4: on but uh, just so you know, second year in
Speaker 4: a row, we have nine two and oh teams and
Speaker 4: nine oh and two teams, and we shall see because
Speaker 4: you know, not every two and o makes it. And
Speaker 4: just to remind people, each of the last two seasons
Speaker 4: and oh and two has not only made the playoffs,
Speaker 4: they won their division. The Bengals won it in two
Speaker 4: thousand and two twenty two, and the Texans won the
Speaker 4: division after being oh and two last year.
Speaker 1: So I knew you were going that direction. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad you started that direction because then I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you the next obvious questions. So, you know,
Speaker 1: with the nineh and twos from a year ago, but
Speaker 1: two of those teams coming back to win the division,
Speaker 1: it sounds to me then, at least in recent history,
Speaker 1: oh and two isn't quite the whole dug that it
Speaker 1: might have been, even just a few short years ago
Speaker 1: in the NFL.
Speaker 6: Is it.
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I think the seventeen game schedule certainly helped
Speaker 4: that one extra game. I certainly think having an extra
Speaker 4: playoffs birth helps. That started in twenty twenty. The seventeen
Speaker 4: game slate started in twenty twenty one, so that has
Speaker 4: helped a little, There's no doubt about it. But you know,
Speaker 4: It's hard to watch a team get off to a
Speaker 4: tremendous start, knowing what we know about preparation now and
Speaker 4: how tough it is. That's why Holy Holy Saint Bernard
Speaker 4: the New Orleans Saints with ninety one points and eleven
Speaker 4: touchdowns in two games, I know, right, although I will say,
Speaker 4: and I love players perspective. I heard Cam Jordan on
Speaker 4: a interview yesterday. They say, reminded people we were two
Speaker 4: and oh last year, and you know you finished ninety eight.
Speaker 4: They wound up in some playoffs, right, So you never know,
Speaker 4: you know, you know as well as I do. You know,
Speaker 4: we see teams go off and get on long streaks
Speaker 4: at the beginning of the year and then fade. I
Speaker 4: mean the Pittsburgh Steelers in twenty twenty were eleven and
Speaker 4: oh and crawled the rest of the year and then
Speaker 4: got blown out at home in the playoffs. Look at
Speaker 4: Philadelphia last year it was ten and one and disaster.
Speaker 4: You know, lost what six of their last seven, including
Speaker 4: the playoffs, and struggles with the Packers on defense. And
Speaker 4: I don't have to tell anybody what happened Monday night,
Speaker 4: you know, So maybe same old problems with Philly. So
Speaker 4: it was not you know, it's you know, it's a
Speaker 4: weird week when the Washington Commanders are the only team
Speaker 4: in the NFC East to win.
Speaker 1: Wow, I know, right, or one and one through the
Speaker 1: two weeks, that's correct, all right, So we got we
Speaker 1: have not one but two battles, two matchups of two
Speaker 1: and oh teams for Week three. This week, let's start
Speaker 1: then with the Texans and the Vikings. I've been impressed
Speaker 1: with both teams thus far. I know it's early. Which
Speaker 1: one has staying power?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I think in terms of a roster you would have
Speaker 4: to lean Houston, who just keeps on adding players. And
Speaker 4: it's very very funny. Here's some wacky coincidences. You will
Speaker 4: recall in the offseason that these teams basically swapped be
Speaker 4: a free agency, not trades. They swapped their top tax rusher. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Jonathan Greener went from Houston to Minnesota. Daniel Hunter wanted
Speaker 4: from Minnesota to Houston. So both are two and oh.
Speaker 4: Here's my favorite. Do you know the last time that
Speaker 4: Texans for two and oh no twenty sixteen reasons? The
Speaker 4: last time the Vikings for two and oh twenty sixteen?
Speaker 4: No kidding, This has got overtime ty written.
Speaker 1: Although two zero to one then right, okay, the other
Speaker 1: two and oh versus two and oh match Chargers and
Speaker 1: the Steelers. I guess I'm mildly surprised with the Steelers,
Speaker 1: maybe a little less so with the Chargers. Just kind
Speaker 1: of like your thoughts on on both teams and the
Speaker 1: way that they started out.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad Jim Harball doesn't like to run the football.
Speaker 4: Oh goodness. JK. Dobbins a see note each of the
Speaker 4: first two weeks. JK. Dobbins somewhat familiar with the Steelers
Speaker 4: defense through his days in Baltimore. I'm gonna make a
Speaker 4: weird prediction, okay, and you will get this. And I'm
Speaker 4: sure people who've been following the league for thirty forty years, Well,
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert is ify this week. He's a little banged up.
Speaker 4: So the Chargers are going to start Jim Harball at quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: And this time he completes that Hill Mary Cash in
Speaker 4: the right corner of the end zone and Avenge is
Speaker 4: in the nineteen ninety five ASC Championship game. What do
Speaker 4: you think, John?
Speaker 1: Why not? So it's only been what the twenty nine years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it don't don't let the facts get in the rest.
Speaker 1: No, I know, but you know what, that's probably one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he's back in the NFL anyway,
Speaker 1: just because he's had this, you know, itching in his
Speaker 1: craw for all this time.
Speaker 4: You know, Oh, absolutely well, I will say that you
Speaker 4: and I always do this with a certain games. What's
Speaker 4: how early in the game on CBS, will we see
Speaker 4: that play?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, probably in the open right, yeah, probably in
Speaker 1: the opening couple of minutes we'll see that play.
Speaker 4: It'll be there, Yeah, it'll certainly be there. But listen,
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh's defense has been pretty formidable, I will say that,
Speaker 4: and did it on the road, okay, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I think they picked for three turnovers the first week.
Speaker 4: They had two picks a bow knicks last week. Offense
Speaker 4: still leaves a lot to be desired. The jointing around
Speaker 4: with their offensive line George Pickens is a marble, but
Speaker 4: a couple offensive pass interference calls and everything last week,
Speaker 4: so I'm not sure what to expect. It's Pittsburgh's home opener.
Speaker 4: They're not the home juggernaut they've been in the day,
Speaker 4: and I think actually it helped them to play on
Speaker 4: the road the first two weeks with all the stirring
Speaker 4: and controversy. But I'll tell you Joe Walt to tackle
Speaker 4: that running game. You know, Herbert had some turnover issues
Speaker 4: last week at Carolina, So you know, thirteen twelve. I
Speaker 4: don't know if the year the last time the Stewarts
Speaker 4: won the Super Bowl in two thousand and eight. I
Speaker 4: just remember this, they beat the Chargers during the regular season.
Speaker 4: That was that palamalo diving one handed interception. And I
Speaker 4: bring that up because they won the game eleven to ten.
Speaker 1: Eleven to ten. That had to have been a score
Speaker 1: of gumi.
Speaker 4: Right, that's like a softball scour. Yes, I know, Okay,
Speaker 4: eleven to ten, so you know what, let's I'll do
Speaker 4: fifteen to fourteen. And I'm not even going to pick
Speaker 4: a winner. We already saw the Steelers winning game without
Speaker 4: scoring a touchdown. Last week we saw Washington right or
Speaker 4: win seven field goals and winning game without scoring a touchdown.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true.
Speaker 4: Other than the Saints and the Bills, I would say
Speaker 4: offense is a little sluggish out of the gate.
Speaker 1: And why do you think is it because of the
Speaker 1: emphasis defensively? Is because teams are trying to do too
Speaker 1: much on offense? Is this traditionally an issue? Do you
Speaker 1: think over the last few years in the NFL? Why
Speaker 1: are the offensive having a harder time now?
Speaker 4: Because I think the offensive line don't know each other. Ah,
Speaker 4: And you know in recent years the NFL is cut
Speaker 4: down on contact during training camp, and you know, offensive
Speaker 4: line is all about continuity and physicality, and you know,
Speaker 4: if you're not playing that much, you don't really get
Speaker 4: to know each other. Then you have some of these
Speaker 4: teams who and invest a lot of draft choices in
Speaker 4: their offensive line. I mean they barely know these guys' name,
Speaker 4: you know, hitting around and so on. But still it
Speaker 4: is so you know, we have seen over the last
Speaker 4: couple of years, and you and I have talked about
Speaker 4: this as well, the first forced games of the of
Speaker 4: the regular season is almost like the preseeds. And now,
Speaker 4: because you don't see a lot of teams, you know,
Speaker 4: it's been up and down the last couple of years
Speaker 4: play their regulars. They get a lot of work in
Speaker 4: the mini camps and maxi camps and Vanda camps and
Speaker 4: all that other stuff. Right, and when we do get
Speaker 4: to an eighteen game season, I'm hoping that little of
Speaker 4: that changes. I'm hoping that the more regiment, steady preparation schedule,
Speaker 4: because I think it's hurt the pride early on, it's
Speaker 4: hurt the product. And listen, we've had some thrilling games
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati and Kansas City last week obviously Monday Night,
Speaker 4: you know, the Ravens and the Chiefs as well.
Speaker 1: Sure the Patrons and Chargers. Was a great game last week.
Speaker 4: Yes, the Chargers last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then not the Chargers to patrons on
Speaker 1: the seahawkscuse me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely over time, I you know, we had we
Speaker 4: had we had overtime with Detroit and the Rams by
Speaker 4: the way, the Ram John, I don't know what you
Speaker 4: guys are doing in the studio this week. You guys
Speaker 4: could always play.
Speaker 1: We could probably play. Yeah, I mean, that's that's it.
Speaker 1: Just it just goes to show you the old landage
Speaker 1: is no matter how bad you have it, somebody else
Speaker 1: has got it worse.
Speaker 4: And that's and that's why I have to giggle at
Speaker 4: people who take a look at that schedule in April
Speaker 4: or early May, and the same people who can't pick
Speaker 4: week the week try to pick months and months. It's
Speaker 4: in advance, yeah, right, and fight. Well, they're going to
Speaker 4: face this quarterback and the face that quarterback. And no,
Speaker 4: I mean, let's they are down Cooper Cup and Cooka Nakula.
Speaker 4: And last week was embarrassed. I mean that was the
Speaker 4: team that Sean McVay had beaten thirteen the last fifteen
Speaker 4: times in the Rams coach includes the playoffs, and that
Speaker 4: was I mean that was over in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's cutting the heart out of your team
Speaker 1: with those two guys gone, no question. All right, so
Speaker 1: let's take a look at this. Then You've got uh
Speaker 1: at O and two. You've got the Giants, you have
Speaker 1: the Titans, you have the Colts. Uh, you have I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go down my list here, you have the Broncos,
Speaker 1: you have the Panthers, and you also have the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Shockingly with the Rams also at O and two, going
Speaker 1: in Bengals. Yeah, and the Bengals at OEN two. Right,
Speaker 1: So you've got all these teams in at oh and
Speaker 1: two and the Jaguar Excuse me, I knew I left
Speaker 1: one out. The Jags are the other O and two
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure we expected them to be there.
Speaker 1: But my question is that all those and two's that
Speaker 1: I just mentioned the nine that you talk about when
Speaker 1: we started here, which one is likely to stay winless
Speaker 1: for a while more likely to stay winless.
Speaker 4: I had been worried about Baltimore coming into the season
Speaker 4: because if you saw their offseason departures, regardless of reason,
Speaker 4: it was stunning how many people left Baltimore. And that
Speaker 4: was a defense last year that tied for the lead
Speaker 4: league in takeaways, they gave up the fewest points. That
Speaker 4: was a very formidable unit. And so far they've looked
Speaker 4: pretty ordinary. I mean, they're up ten at home in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter against the Raver Raiders and can't close
Speaker 4: the deal, and you know that's they've given up what
Speaker 4: twenty seven points and twenty six points in games. They
Speaker 4: go down to Dallas, I don't envision. I was told
Speaker 4: that Mike McCarthy is going to get the team there
Speaker 4: the night before so they don't miss the first half,
Speaker 4: okay like they did last week. That's a rough. That's
Speaker 4: a rough. That's a that's a rough afternoon to win
Speaker 4: to Dallas them coming off the loss. Okay, So Denver,
Speaker 4: Denver has Tampa Bay this week. I'd be very surprised
Speaker 4: if they won, although bo Nick's already has the quote
Speaker 4: of the early season when he was asked about that
Speaker 4: interception in the end zone and he just said, I
Speaker 4: dropped back and I threw it to the other.
Speaker 1: Team, which is accurate.
Speaker 4: Which is totally and I'm all about accurate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all about.
Speaker 4: And but you know, it's interesting. Just right off the
Speaker 4: top of my head, I want to say six of
Speaker 4: the nine teams that are oh and two or in
Speaker 4: the AFC, Yes, Houston is all by themselves at two
Speaker 4: and zero, and nobody in the division has won a
Speaker 4: game other than them.
Speaker 1: I'd say they're off and running. But as we've already
Speaker 1: pointed out that and two doesn't mean jack right now,
Speaker 1: that's right, and who knows?
Speaker 4: And and listen, the NFC East has already jumbled in
Speaker 4: a bunch of one and one to two and as
Speaker 4: we know, which is going on twenty years this year. Now,
Speaker 4: I know Dallas won the NFC East last year, but
Speaker 4: nobody's repeated in that division since the Eagles did it
Speaker 4: four years in a row from two thousand and one
Speaker 4: oh four.
Speaker 1: So that's an amazing streak there, really is.
Speaker 4: It isn't that it's funny and the last couple of years,
Speaker 4: it's been alternating Philadelphia. Remember Washington won the division in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty with the seven to nine records.
Speaker 1: Right, so right, seven or nine, that's right? Yeah, unlet's
Speaker 1: yeah under five?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, to me, it's gonna be. And you
Speaker 4: know Philadelphia, who's obviously defense is still an issue. I
Speaker 4: know they have Vic Fangio there and all that stuff,
Speaker 4: but they they they turned over the ball three times
Speaker 4: to their credit against Green Bay and still managed to
Speaker 4: win the game. But they gave up twenty nine points. Okay,
Speaker 4: last week they gave up a drive in the last
Speaker 4: and change and losing home to the Falcon. Now they
Speaker 4: get the Saints this week, so you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm not declaring Derek Carr MVP, although boy, I will
Speaker 4: say that it is fun to watch Alvin Kamara beat
Speaker 4: Alvin Kamara again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he looks he looks better. He looks better
Speaker 1: than normal, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's an interesting and what makes this week
Speaker 4: really interesting is for the third straight week minimal amount
Speaker 4: of divisional games. The Jets and the Patriots are one
Speaker 4: of the few and ten of the sixteen games or
Speaker 4: interconference games this week Wow.
Speaker 1: See, I like that. Though, I like that. Let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about a couple of those anyway. Well, the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and within the AFC East Dolphins will go on the road.
Speaker 1: They got to play Seattle last week's Patriot conquerors. They
Speaker 1: got to do it without to a tongue of viola,
Speaker 1: and got put on ir this week with yet another
Speaker 1: concussion issue. You know, I think we could we all
Speaker 1: fee even if we don't feel exactly like to it.
Speaker 1: Does we all feel for him and certainly you have
Speaker 1: to wonder what this might mean for the remainder of
Speaker 1: his career. Nevertheless, I look at, as you know, opportunity
Speaker 1: for others as well within the division. Miami's got to
Speaker 1: go from the tip, you know, of one corner of
Speaker 1: this country all the way to the other corner of
Speaker 1: the country against what's a tough road trip for the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: and we get a chance, I think, really to see
Speaker 1: how good Seattle might be. I thought they were okay
Speaker 1: last week, but I gotta admit, you know, with the
Speaker 1: brain cramp the Patriots had at the end of the
Speaker 1: second quarter and the whole clock management issue that even
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, you know, ragged on during the Manning cast
Speaker 1: on ESPN on Monday night. I think we still need
Speaker 1: to see what kind of a of a team Seattle
Speaker 1: can really be. I mean competitive, yes, playoff contender maybe,
Speaker 1: but division contender. I don't know that we're there yet,
Speaker 1: but this could be a step in that direction for them,
Speaker 1: doubt about.
Speaker 4: And this just occurred to me as I was thinking here. Obviously,
Speaker 4: Skyler Thompson is going to start for quarterback for the Dolphins.
Speaker 4: But did you know that the Dolphins also added Tyler Huntley?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, he spent you know.
Speaker 4: He signed with the Browns in this officeas they cut him,
Speaker 4: but he played a lot during the preseason. He spent
Speaker 4: his four year career to date in Baltimore. And of
Speaker 4: course it just occurred to me that if Tyler Huntley
Speaker 4: gets in this game, gee, you think Mike McDonald might
Speaker 4: know a little about it about him, you know, because
Speaker 4: he spent the last two years in Baltimore. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is an intriguing game. It's obviously teams that are
Speaker 4: don't play each other that well. I I think Mike
Speaker 4: McDonald will be ecstatic if his team doesn't give up
Speaker 4: a safety this week like they did in the in
Speaker 4: the opener, they gave up two and had some like
Speaker 4: really mind boggling issues, just like Brian Callahan, who obviously
Speaker 4: had a lot to say to his starting quarterback Will
Speaker 4: Levis after another turnover. The Titans have five turnovers this year,
Speaker 4: all of them by Will Levin, but I'm sure he
Speaker 4: also had something to say to his special teams. For
Speaker 4: the second week in a row, the Titans had a
Speaker 4: punk block last week against the Bears was for a touchdown.
Speaker 4: This week it's set up the score. And if you
Speaker 4: go back to week fifteen of twenty twenty three, they
Speaker 4: had a punk blocked for a touchdown and lost it
Speaker 4: overtime to Indianapolis. I mean, how often do you get,
Speaker 4: you know, three punch blocks in the six game span.
Speaker 1: Not often, not often. Big change is coming special team wise.
Speaker 1: The other division game Jags that I went to two
Speaker 1: playing at the Bills on Monday Night football, Well, Buffalo's
Speaker 1: got a chance to really establish themselves again in the
Speaker 1: AFC East.
Speaker 4: Well, you want to talk about a roller coaster ride,
Speaker 4: you know, Jacksonville was four in eight couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: ran the table, came back from twenty seven down to
Speaker 4: win a playoff, came over The Chargers then lost to
Speaker 4: the Chiefs in the divisional round. No shame in that.
Speaker 4: And last year they started eight and three and went
Speaker 4: belly up. Now I know Trevor Lawrence was banged up,
Speaker 4: but still wound up losing five in their last six game.
Speaker 4: And now it's seven of their last eight game. And
Speaker 4: Doug Peterson, a Super Bowl winning coach, as we well
Speaker 4: know Trevor Lawrence, who you know very much like a
Speaker 4: couple of quarterbacks. This year big pay day, they look
Speaker 4: and they've lost close games. That's funny, the three winless
Speaker 4: teams in the AFC set. In fact, let me take
Speaker 4: a step further, every game played by an AFC South
Speaker 4: team this year has been decided by seven points or left.
Speaker 4: Do you know what that means?
Speaker 1: I have no clue, but it might be a close game, Yes.
Speaker 4: Might be a close game. And remember Jacksonville beat Buffalo
Speaker 4: last year in England.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, yes, home away from home.
Speaker 4: They did know they did that eight and three start
Speaker 4: last year where it looked like they were going to
Speaker 4: repeat his division champions and they wind up not even
Speaker 4: making the playoffs at all.
Speaker 1: Right, while we have about a minute or so loved
Speaker 1: here in the program. I'd be remiss if I didn't
Speaker 1: ask you about the Pro Football Hall of Fame today
Speaker 1: putting out their initial list of nominees, of which there
Speaker 1: are what one hundred and thirty or so? But among
Speaker 1: them Corey Dllon, Wes Welker, Ben Coates, Bruce Armstrong, Logan Mankins,
Speaker 1: Vince will Ford, Teddy Bruski, Mike Vrabel, Willie McGinnis, Rodney Harrison,
Speaker 1: a Keith taleb Adam Vin, and Terry Those are the
Speaker 1: ex Patriots in that particular list. Harrison, I thought had
Speaker 1: a shot last year, did not get in. Of those Patriots,
Speaker 1: who's most likely to get further consideration and make that
Speaker 1: final ballot?
Speaker 4: I would be done if Adams's there is not a
Speaker 4: first ballot Hall of Famer, And I know we don't
Speaker 4: have a lot of kickers in there. We have Jon
Speaker 4: Stenderud and we have Morton Anderson. As far as place kicker,
Speaker 4: he has the most points and most field goals in
Speaker 4: NFL history. He has the most points and most field
Speaker 4: goals in NFL postseason history. He's a multi Super Bowl
Speaker 4: champion with two different franchises. He actually wound up playing
Speaker 4: longer for the Colts than he did for the Patriots,
Speaker 4: and he had quite run from the Patriots. Luke Keikley
Speaker 4: is another guy I know, he's not a Patriot. Luke
Speaker 4: Keikley is another guy who's a first time ballot. I
Speaker 4: think the big discussion will be Eli Manning. Okay, whether
Speaker 4: you know, was he great for those two seasons when
Speaker 4: they won the Super Bowl and mediocre that that's going
Speaker 4: to be. I wouldn't be surprised if he made it,
Speaker 4: and I also wouldn't be surpris he didn't make it
Speaker 4: first ballot.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. I think he'll make it. I
Speaker 1: don't think he makes it first ballot.
Speaker 4: To me, right off the top of my head, Luke
Speaker 4: Keikley and Adam Vinitieri are first ballot Hall of Famers,
Speaker 4: And I think if you had doubts about Kickley, who
Speaker 4: had a shortened career, and I know Patrick Willis was
Speaker 4: in first ballot. Yeah, but you know, it seems like
Speaker 4: to be a younger mindset now and a lot of
Speaker 4: defensive players are going in the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine Adam Minitary not to be in in there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: first ballot, Yeah, I mean, if you don't put the
Speaker 4: all Listen, the Hall of Fame didn't put in the
Speaker 4: all time interception leader Paul Krauss for years and years
Speaker 4: and years. Okay, but you know we finally got a
Speaker 4: kick returner in last year in devin Hester, Adam van Kerry.
Speaker 4: And forget the numbers, what about the moments? Sure, the kicks?
Speaker 1: Sure, No, absolutely, the.
Speaker 4: Bulls and the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The big moments. Yeah, he deserves to be there. And
Speaker 1: as long as we're to put Anna Vinentarian there, I
Speaker 1: think the leading score in AFL history should belong in
Speaker 1: there as well. From the Veterans Committee, and we talked
Speaker 1: about this last week, Gino Cappelletti, Yeah this.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, let's put it this way. If Vinititieri goes
Speaker 4: in and Capelletti gets the nod, I will see you
Speaker 4: in Canton next year because I'm positive the Patriots will
Speaker 4: play in the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right about that. Thank you, Russell.
Speaker 1: Always good to be with you, my friend.
Speaker 4: You're welcome. I'll be watching tomorrow night. We'll be very
Speaker 4: interesting to see which version of the Jets show up,
Speaker 4: because I'm pretty sure I know what version of the
Speaker 4: Patriots are going to show up. And it's going to
Speaker 4: be a pretty physical style.
Speaker 1: One that'll score about sixteen or seventeen points.
Speaker 4: Right, whatever works.
Speaker 1: Whatever works, Yeah, as long as the other team scores
Speaker 1: one point.
Speaker 4: Last, when you hit a tree and the ball bounces
Speaker 4: on the green, yeah, nobody cares on the score.
Speaker 1: That's also very true. Thanks, thanks my man, Talk to
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Speaker 1: advantage of some of this I guess apparent good fortune
Speaker 1: because teams are getting kind of banged up right now,
Speaker 1: are they in position to do that? We'll find out
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