Speaker 1: Through that conversation, he asked her, what do you think
Speaker 1: the worst way to die is?
Speaker 2: The autopsy revealed that she fought like a hellcat to
Speaker 2: try to get this guy off her.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's smarter than these cops and he's going
Speaker 1: to figure out what they know prior to this interrogation happening.
Speaker 3: So they set me down and they tell me that
Speaker 3: they have identified a lead suspect in the case and
Speaker 3: that he is a graduate student at Washington State University.
Speaker 3: When I made the connection, the hair on the back
Speaker 3: of my neck kind of stood up.
Speaker 4: This is the Idaho Massacre a production of KAT Studios
Speaker 4: and iHeartRadio season three episode for the interview, I'm Courtney, I'mstrong,
Speaker 4: a producer at KAT Studios with Stephanie Leedeger and Gabriel Castillo.
Speaker 4: After Brian Coberger was sentenced to four consecutive life terms
Speaker 4: for the brutal November twenty twenty two murders of Madison Mogen,
Speaker 4: Kyllie Gonsalvez, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, new information has
Speaker 4: continued to emerge about his strange and unsettling past, from
Speaker 4: massive document dumps to witnesses stepping forward with stories to
Speaker 4: former acquaintances describing their encounters with him. Each new detail
Speaker 4: is helping to fill in the gaps and paint a
Speaker 4: more clear, haunting picture of who this man really is.
Speaker 4: Washington State University police chief Gary Jenkins cross paths with
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger before his name made headlines. His first encounter
Speaker 4: with Brian Coberger, long before the arrest, is as unexpected
Speaker 4: as it is chilling. Here's Gary Jenkins filling us in
Speaker 4: on his and his bizarre meeting with one of Idaho's
Speaker 4: most notorious killers. He's joined by our producer Alison Bankston.
Speaker 3: I started my law enforcement crew in southern California. I
Speaker 3: worked for thirty three years in the La County area,
Speaker 3: and then in twenty ten, I was hired as the
Speaker 3: police chief for the city of Pullman, Washington, where Washington
Speaker 3: State University is located. I worked as the police chief
Speaker 3: for the City of Pollman police Department for twelve years,
Speaker 3: and then I was hired as a police chief at
Speaker 3: Washington State University three years ago. We are really a
Speaker 3: tight knit community here. We're somewhat isolated. We're about eight
Speaker 3: miles from Moscow, Idaho, so we're pretty close in our
Speaker 3: communities work together a lot. But besides that, you know,
Speaker 3: the next closest medium sized city is Spokane, Washington, an
Speaker 3: hour and a half away, So we really depend on
Speaker 3: each other a lot, and the communities really worked together
Speaker 3: well a lot out of necessity.
Speaker 5: How did you first find out what happened on November thirteenth,
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two. Can you take me back to that
Speaker 5: day and when you got the call and what you
Speaker 5: were first initially thinking?
Speaker 3: Well, my assistant chief messaged me and said that they
Speaker 3: heard that Moscow had responded to a location in their
Speaker 3: city and they had four people that were dead, and
Speaker 3: we didn't know anymore beyond that. We didn't know if
Speaker 3: it was an accidental from carbon monoxide or what had happened.
Speaker 3: And then I did hear that they did announce that
Speaker 3: it was a homicide, quadruple homicide. So I got on
Speaker 3: the phone and called Chief Fry at Moscow PD his
Speaker 3: cell phone and offered any kind of assistance that our
Speaker 3: department could give him. And he was actually on his
Speaker 3: way back to the city. He was out of town,
Speaker 3: but he was driving back to Moscow, and he said
Speaker 3: thank me for the offer, and that he once he
Speaker 3: got there and assessed what was going on. He'd let
Speaker 3: me know if he needed any help, and turned out
Speaker 3: didn't call us back. They ended up calling in a
Speaker 3: lot of resources from Idaho. Of course they're across the
Speaker 3: state line from us from Washington. But that's what happened
Speaker 3: on that day, and then University of Idaho sent out
Speaker 3: what they call a vandal alert to alert the campus
Speaker 3: when had happened. And then we did the same thing
Speaker 3: on Washington State University campus. We sent out an alert
Speaker 3: no define everyone that there had been a homicide in
Speaker 3: Moscow and the person that had committed the crimes was
Speaker 3: still on the loose.
Speaker 5: And I think of people in your position, you know,
Speaker 5: being the chief of police at WSU, when this huge
Speaker 5: college related murders are going on. That's so much pressure,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure you had a lot of people coming
Speaker 5: to you looking for answers. How do you keep cool
Speaker 5: in situations like that and how do you keep emotions
Speaker 5: down when there's something that's scary going on.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that we have to get
Speaker 3: done quickly, and so we get pretty focused on those
Speaker 3: details and trying to get that done. And so I
Speaker 3: think that that kind of keeps our mind, you know,
Speaker 3: focused in the right direction, and we definitely did a
Speaker 3: lot of communication with our students on campus, along with
Speaker 3: our Dina Students' Office and our counseling and psychological services,
Speaker 3: we worked at trying to keep our campus calm. We
Speaker 3: stepped up our patrols to increase our police visibility on campus,
Speaker 3: and this case was particularly challenging because Moscow PD was
Speaker 3: very tight lit on the information that they were sharing
Speaker 3: and so we could only pass along what we would
Speaker 3: hear from them. So we would just try to communicate
Speaker 3: that information as well as just trying to give our
Speaker 3: campus confidence that we were keeping an eye on things
Speaker 3: and that we were doing everything that we can to
Speaker 3: keep our campus safe.
Speaker 4: Thirty six days after the murder, Chief Jenkins gets an
Speaker 4: update on the status of the investigation from Moscow Police
Speaker 4: Chief James Frye.
Speaker 3: The Chief fry sent me a text message on December
Speaker 3: nineteenth asking if I could meet him at the Moscow
Speaker 3: Police Department the next morning, and I thought it was
Speaker 3: just going to be another law enforcement briefing. It'd held
Speaker 3: a couple of law enforcement briefings previously, and so I'd
Speaker 3: met him the next morning and it was just me
Speaker 3: meeting him there, and so I thought that was kind
Speaker 3: of unusual. And then he took me upstairs and we
Speaker 3: went into a room that had the entire investigative team
Speaker 3: there but thirty plus people. So I knew right away
Speaker 3: that there was something something significant happening and had some
Speaker 3: kind of connection, likely to Washington State University. So they
Speaker 3: sent me down and they tell me that they have
Speaker 3: identified a lead suspect in the case and that he
Speaker 3: is a graduate student at Washington State University living in
Speaker 3: graduate student housing on campus. The name sounded familiar to me.
Speaker 3: When I made the connection, you know, the hair on
Speaker 3: the back of my neck stood up. They tell me
Speaker 3: that they have identified a lead suspect in the case
Speaker 3: and his name is Brian Coberger, not a very common name.
Speaker 3: I recalled hearing it before, and it took me about
Speaker 3: thirty seconds early to make the connection that I had
Speaker 3: interviewed him previously when I worked at the Pullman Police Department.
Speaker 4: In April of twenty twenty, two months before the murders,
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger was still wrapping up his master's degree at
Speaker 4: the Sales University and getting ready to start his PhD
Speaker 4: program at Washington State University. Around that time, he submitted
Speaker 4: an application for an internship at the Pullman Police Department.
Speaker 3: When I was police chief at the City of Pullman,
Speaker 3: we had a program that we worked with the Washington
Speaker 3: State University Criminal Justice Program where a PhD student would
Speaker 3: spend three years as a research assistant at the police department.
Speaker 3: You know, at the time, we were having wanted some
Speaker 3: research done on having a our own municipal court there
Speaker 3: in Pullman, which we did not have. We were using
Speaker 3: the county, So that was some of the research we
Speaker 3: wanted done, and just also on looking at crime trends
Speaker 3: and seeing if we needed to reallocate resources to different
Speaker 3: places based on current crime trends and those types of things.
Speaker 3: I was given four applications from Washington State Criminal Justice Program,
Speaker 3: so I interviewed each of the four applicants for about
Speaker 3: thirty minutes each. Two main things I was looking for
Speaker 3: from those applicants. One was someone who was interested not
Speaker 3: just in theoretical research, but really practical, actionable research that
Speaker 3: we could implement in our department to make us more effective.
Speaker 3: And then the other element I was looking for was
Speaker 3: someone who had the ability to develop trust and rapport
Speaker 3: with my staff. Someone coming in to a law enforcement
Speaker 3: environment that's not law enforcement, sometimes that's a very difficult
Speaker 3: situation to develop that that trust and report. I was asking,
Speaker 3: you know, what kind of research they've done already, what
Speaker 3: their particular interests are, you know, what they're looking to
Speaker 3: get out of the program, those types of things. And
Speaker 3: so when I interviewed Brian Coberger, he answered the questions. Okay.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit robotic, I think, and I
Speaker 3: kind of picked up that he didn't have a lot
Speaker 3: of that much interest and necessary the type of research
Speaker 3: we were looking for. Again, I think it was more theoretical.
Speaker 3: I know he had a lot of interest in the
Speaker 3: mind of criminals and why they do what they do
Speaker 3: and how they're feeling when they do what they do,
Speaker 3: and I don't know that that would have been really
Speaker 3: beneficial to our department.
Speaker 5: Were you surprised he even applied, like, I know what,
Speaker 5: to sales. He was kind of really focused in on
Speaker 5: the criminal mind, and it seems like this internship is
Speaker 5: totally different. Why would he apply for an internship that
Speaker 5: wasn't really in his wheelhouse.
Speaker 3: I think really he wanted to see how police departments operate.
Speaker 3: I think he wanted to get that experience working with
Speaker 3: a law enforcement agency, you know, just to add to
Speaker 3: his resume. So it was a little bit out of
Speaker 3: what his interest seemed to be. At the end of
Speaker 3: the thirty minutes, I know, my impressions were that he
Speaker 3: wasn't real personable, He didn't have a real fluid way
Speaker 3: of conversation. He spoke with some hesitation, he was very awkward,
Speaker 3: didn't seem to have very refined social skills, and so
Speaker 3: at the end of it, I just didn't feel like
Speaker 3: he would be able to develop that trust with my
Speaker 3: staff to be an effective researcher.
Speaker 5: Finding out what he did. Would you ever think, oh,
Speaker 5: did he apply to this internship to get to save himself?
Speaker 5: You know, Brian Coper, here he is applying to a
Speaker 5: big internship at a police station, not really interested in
Speaker 5: the stuff that you're offering. Did you ever think that
Speaker 5: maybe he applied to some sort of cover up or
Speaker 5: to get intel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's definitely possible. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: think we'll ever know when he planned these crimes. If
Speaker 3: it was something that maybe he had been thinking about,
Speaker 3: that's very possible that he was trying to get into
Speaker 3: the police department to potentially have access to confidential information
Speaker 3: or just to learn more about practices and protocols of
Speaker 3: law enforcement that would help him commit the quote perfect crime.
Speaker 3: And so yes, I did think about that, and more
Speaker 3: thought about that, the more I was glad that I
Speaker 3: decided not to select him.
Speaker 4: After Washington State University Police Chief Gary Jenkins realized he'd
Speaker 4: met Brian Coburger before, he didn't hesitate. He turned to
Speaker 4: Moscow Police Chief James Fry and told him exactly what
Speaker 4: he knew. Ten days later, officers from Washington State University
Speaker 4: joined the Idaho State Police in a coordinated search of
Speaker 4: Coburger's campus apartment and his office.
Speaker 3: Really, nothing of any significance was recovered from either location.
Speaker 3: His apartment, my my assistant chief actually oversaw that warrant service,
Speaker 3: and she reported back to me that there was very
Speaker 3: little in his apartment at the time. In fact, it
Speaker 3: looked like that maybe someone was or that Coburger was
Speaker 3: not planning to come back to that apartment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I heard too that his shower curtain was
Speaker 5: missing and there's only a few things of clothing there.
Speaker 5: And I know some people think that the shower curtain
Speaker 5: could have been involved in some way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that could have been. It could
Speaker 3: have been that there were some clothing or some evidence
Speaker 3: that he may be wrapped up in there and he
Speaker 3: took a shower, and there could have been blood or
Speaker 3: DNA on that, and so it's you know, very likely
Speaker 3: that that was disposed of somewhere to avoid any type
Speaker 3: of leaving any type of evidence.
Speaker 4: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 4: a moment. We've been exploring Brian Coberger's time at Washington
Speaker 4: State University, starting with a strange interview he had with
Speaker 4: Chief Gary Jenkins while applying for an internship at the
Speaker 4: Pullman Police Department. But his unusual behavior on campus did
Speaker 4: not end there. Crime Analyst's Body move in an expert
Speaker 4: in analyzing complex data, is here to walk us through
Speaker 4: more of the recently released documents from the massive evidence
Speaker 4: dump following Coburger's sentencing to life in prison. This time,
Speaker 4: we're zeroing in on some of the records detailing his
Speaker 4: behavior at WSU. Here's body joined by our producer Alison Bankston.
Speaker 5: So let's talk about that interview with his fellow teaching assistant,
Speaker 5: because honestly, I'm floored by.
Speaker 1: That that one is so in that document in its
Speaker 1: entirely is so interesting to me. So in this document,
Speaker 1: it's an interview with somebody that worked with Brian Coberger
Speaker 1: at WSU. It talks about Brian as a TA assistant
Speaker 1: in his relationship with Brian, and he goes on to
Speaker 1: say that somewhere in October or November he couldn't remember,
Speaker 1: he sees scratches on Brian's face and his knuckles were red.
Speaker 1: When he asked Brian Coberger what happened? What happened to you?
Speaker 1: Brian said he was in a car accident, right, and.
Speaker 5: His fellow teaching assistant also says that the scratches looked
Speaker 5: like they were from fingernails. I'm no expert, but what
Speaker 5: car crash causes a scratch like that?
Speaker 4: We as forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan about the validity
Speaker 4: of Brian Coberger's excuse for the scratches on his face
Speaker 4: shortly after the murders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do get scratches in a car accident, but
Speaker 2: you know what you get more of, You get more
Speaker 2: blunt force trauma. The idea that you would merely get
Speaker 2: scratches in a location, and that's odd to say. My
Speaker 2: money would be on k who made scratches, because the
Speaker 2: autopsy revealed that she fought like a hell cat to
Speaker 2: try to get this guy off of her, right, And.
Speaker 5: I feel like he would have a lot more injuries
Speaker 5: if it truly was a car accident.
Speaker 2: It's just so ridiculous, you know, when you think about it,
Speaker 2: because I won't say, well, where else are you're injured?
Speaker 2: And do you need a ride? Can I give you
Speaker 2: a ride somewhere? Because obviously, if you've been in a
Speaker 2: car accident, your car must be damaged. Well, guess what,
Speaker 2: there's no indication this car was damaged anyway.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I feel like, again this goes back to him being
Speaker 5: such a strange criminology student because his mistakes are so stupid.
Speaker 5: But he could have said that a cat scratched him
Speaker 5: and it would have been way more unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have bought that. Yeah, God, this cat,
Speaker 2: you know I love cats. Straight cat that came up
Speaker 2: to the door. I got a camp tunefish in in
Speaker 2: the apartment. I went to feed it and now I
Speaker 2: was trying to pet it while I was eating, and
Speaker 2: thing attacked me. Okay, that sounds plausible to me car accident.
Speaker 4: Not here again, body move in with producer Alison Bankston.
Speaker 1: And then we find out that Brian told him the
Speaker 1: TA assistant he was flying home from Washington to Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: when in fact we knew he drove and he was
Speaker 1: already there when he told his friend this. He's just
Speaker 1: he's lying. He's a lying liar.
Speaker 4: And the newly released documents reveal even more troubling details
Speaker 4: about Brian Coberger's initial arrest in his home state of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: the moment he first came face to face with investigators
Speaker 4: who had been tracking him for weeks. One of interest
Speaker 4: to us an unsettling report written by Moscow Police Corporal
Speaker 4: Brett Payne about Coburger's interview after his arrest.
Speaker 1: And with Brett Payin is ISP detective Sergeant Gilbertson, and
Speaker 1: he's with the Idaho State Police. And additional to that
Speaker 1: FBI special agent surely right.
Speaker 5: And what was so weird to me was that he
Speaker 5: starts off the interview saying that Sergeant Gilbertson looks familiar.
Speaker 1: Right, because it indicates he's been watching news about this case.
Speaker 1: Because Detective Gilbertson is of course with the Idaho State Police,
Speaker 1: and of course he would be talking about this in
Speaker 1: the media or at these press conferences, you know, and
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger is watching these, so that's of course why
Speaker 1: he says this, Oh yeah, you did look familiar. What
Speaker 1: a dummy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then he starts implying that he really admires
Speaker 5: law enforcement, has a great admiration for everything these officers
Speaker 5: are doing.
Speaker 1: He's really kind of buttering them up, like I'm one
Speaker 1: of you. They're asking about his studies and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys already probably know all this, you know, implying
Speaker 1: that you know, they went to criminology school too, when
Speaker 1: of course it's not true. He's very trying to make
Speaker 1: himself like one of them. Right, they're talking about sports,
Speaker 1: they're talking about religion. Brian Coberger says that he was
Speaker 1: raised Christian, and you know, he was basically having doubts
Speaker 1: when he's you know, confronted with the beauty of this world.
Speaker 1: Like it's so weird. It's such a weird conversation.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: I just think it's odd that he brought up because again,
Speaker 5: he didn't have to small talks usually, like you know,
Speaker 5: they talked a little bit about he said oh, I
Speaker 5: don't follow WSU footballer because I'm a baseball fan. And
Speaker 5: then to bring up religion out of nowhere. It's because
Speaker 5: he's trying to humanize himself. But then he says, you.
Speaker 6: Know, but I have doubts. He kind of goes in
Speaker 6: this weird circle with it. What else does he say
Speaker 6: in this interview?
Speaker 1: Coberger then spoke about how he became interested in criminal
Speaker 1: justice and stated he thought about being a police officer,
Speaker 1: but did not want to make the commitment unless he
Speaker 1: was absolutely sure. Interesting because he applied to the Pullman
Speaker 1: Police Department and he's telling these police officers, Oh, I
Speaker 1: thought about being a cop, but I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the commitment. What do you mean
Speaker 1: the commitment. It's a job. If you don't like it,
Speaker 1: you quit. What commitment we're talking about. It's very, very weird. Again,
Speaker 1: he's trying to, like, I think, ingratiate himself into this
Speaker 1: law enforcement family, which he is no part of, by
Speaker 1: the way, but he's trying to like insert himself like
Speaker 1: I'm just like you, I'm one of you exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And earlier we were talking with WSU Police Chief Gary
Speaker 5: Jenkins about his interview with Brian Coburger, and you know,
Speaker 5: he said he didn't trust him at all to blend
Speaker 5: in with his staff, and you know, rightfully so.
Speaker 6: And here he is.
Speaker 5: Putting on what seems like some crazy performance with these
Speaker 5: officers in Pennsylvania, probably very untrustworthy.
Speaker 6: What does he do after this in this interview?
Speaker 1: Coberger then stated he understood why they were engaging in
Speaker 1: small talk, but it would appreciate it if we explained
Speaker 1: to him why what he was doing there. And the
Speaker 1: detective goes, well, why do you think you're here? And
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger said he didn't know. Detective Gilbertson asked Coburger
Speaker 1: if he watched the news. Coberger said, I watched the news.
Speaker 1: Detective Gilbertson then asked Coberger why he thought I looked familiar.
Speaker 1: So why do you think I look familiar? Cogerger said
Speaker 1: he wasn't sure and stated I had a familiar face
Speaker 1: and I looked like someone he used to know. Detective
Speaker 1: Gilbertson then said we were there because of what happened
Speaker 1: in November just off the University of Idaho campus. Detective
Speaker 1: go asked Coberger if he knew what was what that was,
Speaker 1: to which Koberger replied, of course. When prompted to elaborate,
Speaker 1: Coberger said, it was the incident we had been investigating
Speaker 1: for how long has it been?
Speaker 6: Okay? It is insane to me that he says how
Speaker 6: long has it been? You know? It almost kind of
Speaker 6: seems like a pride thing to me.
Speaker 5: I mean, of course, I'm no expert, but there's such
Speaker 5: a certain cockiness to it, just from the way that
Speaker 5: I'm reading it.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: Detective Gilbertson again stated we were investigating the homicides of
Speaker 1: four students and that we had questions and things we'd
Speaker 1: hoped Coburger would help understand. So this conversation is interesting
Speaker 1: because Coburger is it okay if we engage in small
Speaker 1: talk and the cops are like yeah, they start engaging
Speaker 1: in small talk, and Brian's getting impatient, right, He's hoping
Speaker 1: something's going to slip in this small talk. I think
Speaker 1: he's trying to size up these cops. He thinks he's
Speaker 1: smarter than these cops and he's going to figure out
Speaker 1: what they know prior to this interrogation happening. Right, That's
Speaker 1: what I think. Coburger then asked where his parents were
Speaker 1: and where his daughter was. Coburger re engaged again and
Speaker 1: asked what questions we would have for him. Detective Gilbertson
Speaker 1: then asked Coburger again if he understood his rights and
Speaker 1: asked specifically what Coburger wished. Coburger asked what spipecifically he
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him about. So they're playing this
Speaker 1: game right now. Coburger's asked for a lawyer, So Detective
Speaker 1: Gilbertson's like, okay, interviews over, but Coberger keeps re engaging, right,
Speaker 1: So the Detective's like, listen, you understand your rights, right,
Speaker 1: what do you want? Coburger asks specifically what we wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to him about, and the reason I told
Speaker 1: Coberger he evoked his Fifth Amendment rights at that moment
Speaker 1: and we were no longer going to be asking him
Speaker 1: any further questions. So Coburger he's fishing. He's like trying
Speaker 1: to find out what they've got.
Speaker 4: It's interesting. Let's stop here for a break. We'll be
Speaker 4: back in a moment. We've been digging through some of
Speaker 4: the most revealing files from the Moscow Police Department's massive
Speaker 4: document release, focusing specifically on those that shed light on
Speaker 4: the strange and sometimes bizarre behaviors of convicted killer Brian
Speaker 4: Coberger in the days and weeks after the murders. In
Speaker 4: these pages, we see how Coberger attempted to explain away
Speaker 4: suspicious injuries, from a bloody knuckle to scratches on his face,
Speaker 4: telling his fellow teaching assistant that it came from a
Speaker 4: car accident. This excuse now reads as obviously false. We
Speaker 4: also get a glimpse into his first formal interactions with
Speaker 4: investigators following his December thirtieth, twenty twenty two arrest in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: moments that offer a window into his state of mind
Speaker 4: as the case closed in around him. Here again to
Speaker 4: discuss one more document of interest is crime analyst Body Movin.
Speaker 1: In his documents, there's there's a tender reference and that
Speaker 1: a woman met Brian Coberger online and that he was
Speaker 1: in at WSU and she was in Pennsylvania and she
Speaker 1: was having a hard time meeting people, so she expanded
Speaker 1: her range and she ended up meeting Brian Coberger. He
Speaker 1: and her struck up a conversation and in their small
Speaker 1: talk or talking about like their favorite movies. You know,
Speaker 1: things that you would talk to people when you're first
Speaker 1: getting to know someone, and they the genre switched to
Speaker 1: horror movies, and through that conversation he asked her, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you think the worst way to die is?
Speaker 1: And she said, probably from like a knife, that would
Speaker 1: be awful, and he said, oh, something like a k
Speaker 1: bar and she stopped talking to him shortly after that
Speaker 1: because the conversation turned pretty dark. We learned in a
Speaker 1: later document, however, the cops followed up with her and
Speaker 1: she couldn't, you know, provide them any proof that she
Speaker 1: had talked to anybody at WSU. She didn't have access
Speaker 1: to her tender messages anymore, so we don't get any
Speaker 1: clarification on that. And it could be just noise, it
Speaker 1: could be totally irrelevant, but it's an interesting talking point.
Speaker 1: Creepy creepy, creepy creepy.
Speaker 4: Throughout this season, we'll keep digging into these documents piece
Speaker 4: by piece to uncover what they reveal, what they suggest,
Speaker 4: and what they can tell us about how Brian Coberger
Speaker 4: took four innocent lives. Next Time, behavior expert Robin Drake
Speaker 4: will help us unpack documents detailing Coburger's behavior before and
Speaker 4: after the murders and the personality traits that may have
Speaker 4: driven him, because sometimes the paper trail reveals more than
Speaker 4: the killer intended. More on that next time. For more
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Speaker 4: by Stephanie Leidecker, Alison Bankston, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong.
Speaker 4: Editing and sound designed by Jeff Toois. Music by Jared Aston.
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