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Speaker 1: Of Course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora Ladies

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Speaker 1: and Gentlemen. This is part one of two.

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Speaker 2: Part QLs classic with the Man We All Know and

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Speaker 2: Love Kwame. One of those.

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Speaker 1: Bugged out illicit stories in classic hip hop. Every story

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Speaker 1: Kwame tells, I mean, he goes through it all man

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Speaker 1: has to be heard to be believed without further ado.

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Speaker 1: This is part one Kwame's interview on QLs from October third,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy Supremo, Supremo, Ro Supremo, Supremo, Ro Suprema Supremo, Ro

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Speaker 3: Supremo Supremo. Roll call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, kitchen, Yeah, it was cool.

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Speaker 5: Supremo roll So Supremo.

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Speaker 3: Roll Call.

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Speaker 2: My name is Fante. Yeah, Joe texts I got you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: my only question? Yeah, where's Tasha? Roll roll call Bremo.

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Speaker 2: Roll Call. My name is Sugar. Yeah, I'm a sweet thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah like Hawaiian Punch, Yeah, kool aid or Tang Supremo,

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Speaker 2: roll So Son Supremo, roll call Unpaid Bill. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: we've gone too far.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When quest love eats dinner, Yeah at an oatmeal.

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Speaker 5: But come Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 2: That was all talking about rolls. My name yeah and

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Speaker 2: the mic is mine.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I've been a fan of Kwame. Yeah since eighty nine.

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Speaker 5: Supremo roll call, s agreement something Supremo roll.

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Speaker 7: I'm like em yeah Kwame, Yeah, thank God for him.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, talking about some day roll.

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Speaker 5: So Supremo roll Supremo son s Supremo roll.

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Speaker 4: No, my name is Kuame, y'all see me while Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Quest put me on this spot with this free style.

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Speaker 5: Roll Supremo Supremo roll call, Supremo Supremo roll call, Suprema

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Speaker 5: So Sun Subpremo roll called Suprema.

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Speaker 2: So sure, okay, So Bill just out at me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was eating oatmeal for your choices. Man, that's great. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's fantastic. I saw eat oatmeal and I ordered a

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Speaker 2: chicken a grilled chicken salad. Wait a minute, we're healthy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah I can. I can eat now, you

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Speaker 6: know what I mean? He just puts clothes, told me

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Speaker 6: your tooth still hurting?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no not now. Yeah. Weeks ago when

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Speaker 2: I was absent, my bambacay kicked. Then I'm good. We

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Speaker 2: were having the all important cream of weed versus steel

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Speaker 2: cut oatmeal question. Wondering what exactly the steel cut referred to.

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Speaker 1: I just don't like the marketing steel cut like. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing tasty or advertising about.

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Speaker 4: It's not try to market steal cut like free range.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: Fifty for some not for nothing.

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Speaker 7: There's a frozen version of still cut oatmell. You can

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Speaker 7: get it a trader jails. It's really good. You just

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Speaker 7: mirk away for two minutes. It was that trader Joe.

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Speaker 4: You go, you can't get it an MP.

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Speaker 7: Still something, yes, man, they call Audas in the East Coast,

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Speaker 7: the A M p ouds.

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Speaker 8: These is the place.

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Speaker 1: Town you got associated, you know, yeah, the only place

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Speaker 1: where we could talk about super market and markets before

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Speaker 1: we even introduced our guests. Ladies to tell me this

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Speaker 1: is another episode of course Love Supreme Quest Love, Say

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Speaker 1: what's up?

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Speaker 2: Team Supreme Solid okay uh.

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Speaker 1: Today we have a favorite, a personal favorite of mine.

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Speaker 8: He don't get bailed.

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Speaker 2: But bigger than everybody, yeah, you know, and on the

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Speaker 2: low for all of.

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Speaker 1: The no, but for for all the props that I

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Speaker 1: give to Daylight transforming my life.

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Speaker 2: If you really.

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Speaker 1: Inspect a lot of photos of me between eighty nine

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Speaker 1: and I will say that our guests had a big

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Speaker 1: hen and life and fashion choices. Yeah, I proudly rock that. Actually, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Teka and I. At one point the the U when

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Speaker 1: we were Black to the Future, we went to hats

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Speaker 1: the hind with a propeller on it.

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Speaker 2: Because Kwame rocked it.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome the legendary yo yo yeah kwalm course, yes,

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Speaker 1: the man we all know love.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Brood Man? How are you? Thank you for having me?

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Speaker 2: Man? Thank you for doing this. You know this, this,

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Speaker 2: this is this is honor for all of us. Thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So where'd you grow up? Where did you grow up?

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Speaker 2: I grew up in now is that my? How you're doing?

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Speaker 2: Where'd you grow up? Let's go back to the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the beginning. Where are you from?

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you're from.

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Speaker 4: I am from East Elmhurst slash Corona, Queens, New York.

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Speaker 1: So you started out as in New York? Yes, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: you were born.

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Speaker 4: Born in Queens. My whole family is in Queens. When

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Speaker 4: I got my deal, I was in Queens and in

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Speaker 4: height Seeing.

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Speaker 2: And Philly a lot because it was and.

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Speaker 4: They liked me, so I would be here a lot.

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Speaker 1: No, seriously, at one point I was just like, maybe

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Speaker 1: he's from Yayden.

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Speaker 2: No, you know what it is.

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Speaker 4: My manager Dave, who's here, he's from Yayden. And Tap

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Speaker 4: Money who's also from yad and he wanted to say

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Speaker 4: he's from West Philly, but he's lived in Yden more

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Speaker 4: than West Philly. But anyway, Tat, Tat Money, I forgot right.

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Speaker 8: You saw the video and I was.

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Speaker 4: Like, is that yeah, so Tat was. I met Tat.

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Speaker 4: I met Tat, Steady B and Cool C before I

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Speaker 4: came out. I was tagging along with Kidd and Play

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Speaker 4: and Herbie love Bug and they had a show in Richmond,

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Speaker 4: Virginia with Steady and the show got snowed out so

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Speaker 4: we were stuck in this We couldn't even get to

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Speaker 4: the hotel, were stuck in the venue overnight, and we

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Speaker 4: all just got cool and Tat was real cool, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, you know I got this,

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Speaker 4: And I pulled out the poster board of the mock

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Speaker 4: up of my first album cover. Yeah, you know, about

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Speaker 4: to be coming out. Hopefully I can get to do

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Speaker 4: shows with you. Guys and everything and steady and cool.

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Speaker 4: See they were all right, but Tat was more personable,

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Speaker 4: and then we just hung out. We wrapped all just

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Speaker 4: pretty much all night. And then when my original DJ

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Speaker 4: first person I called was Tack, So that became my

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Speaker 4: and Philly with Tack, got very cool with Eest chuck

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Speaker 4: little click. They were all yep.

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Speaker 2: Leading to doom.

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Speaker 4: They were all coming to my house. They would stay

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Speaker 4: weeks at my house. I would stay weeks to their house.

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Speaker 4: My mother wud be like, okay, one of your friends

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Speaker 4: going back to Philly because we were like sixteen, seventeen,

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Speaker 4: eighteen years old. So that was that's y'all.

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Speaker 2: Were you You guys were like our native tongues.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when you came and co.

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Speaker 1: Signed Philly me, that's the first time I felt like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Philly can be cool. Because again, I mean, you're you're

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Speaker 1: not saying what you really want to say about cool

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Speaker 1: and steady, but.

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Speaker 2: No, they were just they were post drug dealer cool,

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Speaker 2: like you know, no.

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Speaker 4: No, you know what it is, it's nothing. It's nothing

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Speaker 4: to say good or bad about them. But they just

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Speaker 4: weren't the kind of guys that I was. You know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You know, we're not from we didn't

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Speaker 4: Tat is cut from that same cloth. So you know,

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Speaker 4: I would definitely hang with Tat and and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, so that's how that's pretty explains why I saw

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Speaker 2: you and Philly a lot. Yeah, okay, I just thought

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Speaker 4: I should have had Robberty if I was smart.

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Speaker 2: Now I get it, not Philly. So in Queens, what

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Speaker 2: was your what was your experiences of music?

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Speaker 4: See my neighborhood. You know, you know everybody likes to

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Speaker 4: really big up their neighborhoods, But for me, I think

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Speaker 4: my neighborhood is a very special place in Queens and

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Speaker 4: anybody can look it up. So if you go the

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Speaker 4: history of East Elmhurst Corona, it's right next to LaGuardia Airport,

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Speaker 4: so literally you can, like my grandmother's house, my house,

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Speaker 4: I can walk to the airport and within that neighborhood post,

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Speaker 4: I mean pre rap. You had el Fitzgerald, Harry Belafonte,

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Speaker 4: but but he wasn't. He wasn't in that. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I want to say Dinah Washington and a lot of

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Speaker 4: a lot of influential blacks moved to this area of Queens.

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Speaker 4: But then when you get into the hip hop era,

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Speaker 4: g Rap, Myself, Salt and Pepper. We were all within

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Speaker 4: a three to five block radius. Nokay, No, it's closer

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Speaker 4: into New York City. So we're Northern Queens. Jamaica's Southern Queens.

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Speaker 2: So how is on the lawn like?

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Speaker 4: It's it's I would say the equivalent of Winfield maybe

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Speaker 4: Winfield's slash, you know West Philly area. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 4: not Overbrook Farms. You know what I'm saying. It's not that,

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Speaker 4: but it's pretty cool. And then you have some see

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Speaker 4: East Elmhurst is more of the homes with front yards

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Speaker 4: like the Philly homes. My grandmother would have a house

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Speaker 4: and that side is Northern Boulevard. You cross Northern Boulevard.

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Speaker 4: Corona's a little bit more grittier than East Elmhurst. So

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Speaker 4: I lived in between both neighborhoods, you know, my whole

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Speaker 4: childhood pretty much. And so from there, my parents got

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Speaker 4: a divorced I was fourteen. A couple of years later,

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Speaker 4: my father got remarried and moved to Inglewood, New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: So now I'm in Inglewood, New Jersey. And in Inglewood,

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Speaker 4: New Jersey, my best friend was Redhead Kingpin, and so

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Speaker 4: I had all of those Queen's guys next to me.

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Speaker 4: And then my best friend that I first, first kid

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Speaker 4: I meet when I moved to Inglewood is Redhead. And

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Speaker 4: then you have Big bubb from today and Redhead introduce.

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Speaker 4: He said, Yo, this lady's gonna give me a deal

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Speaker 4: and you should come too, all right, who we go

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Speaker 4: to Sylvia Robinson's house. So Sylvia Robinson offered me a

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Speaker 4: deal at fifteen. So and it was so funny because

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Speaker 4: at the same time I'm saving up money, I'm you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm making demos. I'm trying to impress Herbie and he

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Speaker 4: runs around with my demo.

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Speaker 2: Sylvia.

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Speaker 4: Here's the demo and the deals coming at the same time.

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Speaker 4: But the difference between Atlantic Records, Sony Columbia then Sylvia.

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Speaker 4: Sylvia's was like a one page note.

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Speaker 9: And so, you know, just to you know, just to

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Speaker 9: give a quick recap, those are like the different people

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Speaker 9: I feel like, mister Rogers, those are the people in

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Speaker 9: my neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Those so before the rabbit Hole nerd him right now,

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Speaker 2: we're hanging on everywhere. So were you signed before Redhead

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Speaker 2: or did he sign his deal?

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Speaker 4: For Red Redhead and a group called New Style later

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Speaker 4: Yes, So she was boning me and New Style came

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Speaker 4: Yeah, beet nuts are from Corona as well. So Queens

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Speaker 4: For neighbor seas you're driving, the cops will be there

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Speaker 6: Queen's Bridge, right, queens Bridge, Yeah, you know queens Bridge. Okay,

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Speaker 6: where there's not and that's its Manhattan, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Queen's Bridges. You can walk to Manhattan from from

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: How did hip hop reach you at a young age?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm almost certain that other boroughs were like another

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Speaker 4: Hop reached me. In nineteen seventy nine, I can remember

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Speaker 4: Dak called blaming Star Wars and Rappers. The light came

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Speaker 4: I'm six years old. I see the recognition of you know,

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Speaker 4: which was Enjoy Records was bought period.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have to hear it. I didn't know it.

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Speaker 4: My favorite record to this day is Freedom Series five

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Speaker 4: It's weird, you know. It became a culture. It became

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Speaker 4: We were all breaking, we were all doing graffiti, we

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Speaker 4: then there was a guy on my grandmother's block, rest

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Speaker 2: Look at this little kid beatbox.

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Speaker 4: I had no I have no clue what it was.

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Speaker 4: But it was just all immersing, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, the the what do you call those things?

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Speaker 4: The press on letters on our sweatshirts and spiked spiked, very.

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Speaker 1: Fable, even way before you have a record budget to

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was all into the gear everything, you know, getting

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Speaker 4: You know, that's that's what we did.

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Speaker 4: Well, my father, my father, you know, my father recently

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Speaker 4: my pops. Pops used to push a seventy eight VW

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Speaker 4: So and these are things that my father would do.

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Speaker 4: But there's a reason that I didn't know at the time.

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Speaker 4: So we would come home and it would be no

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Speaker 2: It up now.

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Speaker 4: If you hear two rings, that's your grandmother, and then

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Speaker 2: So we were getting free gas for a whole year.

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Speaker 4: He made some pipe, and the gas company found out,

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Speaker 4: So I got in trouble because my mother thought one

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Speaker 4: was just like, look, man, I can't keep living like this.

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00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: And my pops was like, well, look I'm trying to,

436
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: you know. So then on my mother's side, my mother,

437
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 4: my grandparents on my mother's side came from a different

438
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: type of situation where my grandparents on my father's side

439
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 4: were more blue collar. My my grandfather, he was a

440
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: newspaper publisher, so he had a one of the first

441
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 4: black newspapers in New York called the New York Voice.

442
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 4: It was a New York Voice in the Amsterdam News.

443
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 4: And he was from He was from Iowa. He lived

444
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 4: on He grew up on an Indian reservation, actually Native

445
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 4: American reservation. He worked his way. He was a porter.

446
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 4: Then he became a roadie for Benny Goodman. So we

447
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: started rolling with Benny Goodman and he started then he

448
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: started rocking with I'm losing my plays, the vibes, I'm sorry.

449
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: So he started rocking with Lionel Hampton, which gave me

450
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 4: my first drum set. So my first my first instrument

451
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: was from Lionel Hampton. But that's a whole, So that's

452
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: a supreme thing.

453
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's grandfather always rolls with trickles down to the grandson.

454
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: And he met my grandmother because my grandmother was a

455
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: show singer. So so they met on the road and

456
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 4: you know, he was the type of dude that you

457
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: know when he met her. She was real pretty she

458
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 4: and also my grandmother was the first black Pepsi model.

459
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: So so he was the kind of guy that he

460
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: bagged a bad chick, but then he wanted to do

461
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 4: bad chick things anymore. So he brought to the queens

462
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: and gave a bunch of babies and one of the babies.

463
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: Was my mother.

464
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 8: Wait what's what's name's name?

465
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: Kryan Drew Kriyan Davis.

466
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 2: And you're gonna look at that right now.

467
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 8: I wanted to see her.

468
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 4: Everybody else is listening, is I'm like so so you know,

469
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: you know at that time, did you have you saying

470
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: I can ramble so you can askage so so so

471
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 4: that so and on my grand my father's side, my

472
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 4: grandfather was a detective and my grandmother was a social worker.

473
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: So it was just two different types of family and

474
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: they all support it in a different way, you know.

475
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: So like my grandmother has you know, both grandmothers have

476
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 4: grand pianos in there in their in their house. So

477
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 4: you know, I'm I'm teaching myself how to play stuff.

478
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: You know.

479
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 4: My grandfather very encouraging with music. Like I said, takes

480
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 4: me to Lonel Hampton's house. First time I ever been

481
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 4: to a house with a person had a butler. I

482
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 4: was like, yo, the only person I thought would have

483
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: a butler was like Bruce Wayne. And I get to

484
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: this man's apartment which looks just like the building looked

485
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: just like George Jefferson's apartment. We get up there and

486
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: the butler comes with a tray and I'm like, where

487
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 4: are we at? He and mister Hampton comes out and

488
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 4: you know, and he just talks to me about music

489
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 4: and I'm talking to him and I'm talking about run

490
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 4: DMC and he's looking at me like what At this point,

491
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: nine had to have been like eight or nine talking

492
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: to about you know, like, hey, man, who do you like?

493
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: Grant Master Flint fires five Man the message.

494
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: He's like, what, yeah, you know, so he gives me

495
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: the drums and the only thing I play on the

496
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: drums is Planet Rock, Yeah, the message freedom, eighth wonder.

497
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: And then because a lot of them had horns, I

498
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 4: would go to school and learn how to play the trumpet,

499
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: so all I would play was just I would just

500
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: play the rap records.

501
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: After I learned how to play Freedom.

502
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: That I don't want to play the one anymore. I

503
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: just stopped playing the trumpet, you know so, And even

504
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: with the piano, it's like I heard the rap, different

505
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: rap records or just different records in general, and I

506
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: loved just playing that. And then but I hated lessons.

507
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: I just hated the lessons part.

508
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: But you know, so, you didn't want to practice that much.

509
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: I wanted to practice what I made up. I didn't

510
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 4: want to do scales. I didn't want to do fertile least,

511
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 4: so I don't want to do none of that fingering

512
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 4: all that.

513
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: I hated that.

514
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 4: And my teacher, Miss Punter, she was the type you know,

515
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: you play and you use the wrong finger. Fingers, that's

516
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: all she was saying. I would have to do like,

517
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: you know, like piano recitals. It was probably the most

518
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: nervous I've ever been in my Like my legs were

519
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: shake hated it, hated it.

520
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: You mentioned I dubbed that the Alicia Keys nock tune.

521
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: Right, okay, I'll go no, I love you believe that

522
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: was this one time when I seen the show, it

523
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: was just going to start off real deep, like you know,

524
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: all these all these courts and defense and they just.

525
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 8: Lowse down, knocking down. I'm trying to help.

526
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, seconds and sudden audience. Yeah,

527
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: we love you. I love that. Come on now, I

528
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: love this ship. I'll leave you. That's what That's my home.

529
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: So you're you're saying that a hip hop, I mean

530
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: as an m C. When did you figure out this

531
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: is this is my path?

532
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: My well, first of like you know, just as a kid,

533
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: I would write and compose things, but I knew I

534
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: couldn't sing anything. So you know, rapping was like the

535
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: best case scenario at that point. And you know, I

536
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: loved Mellie mel I loved Tela Rock, you know I

537
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: loved and then and then somebody came to my house

538
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: with a tape said you got to hear this guy,

539
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: and he put the tape in and it was Lotty Dotty,

540
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: not the record, It was just Lotty Dotty somewhere in

541
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: the park. And then it went into treat it like

542
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: a prostitute, and I was like, what did I just

543
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: witness just now? And then I started getting I started

544
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 4: getting stuff that me and Rick are very cool, Me

545
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: and dougle cool. I got stuff from Rick that he

546
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: doesn't even remember. I was said, Yo, there's this one

547
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: thing where you I say the whole rhyme to him

548
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: and somebody's on a drum machine and he and it

549
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: turns into like Indian what's the what's the song? Davy Crockett?

550
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 4: So some of those rhymes Davy Crockett, I definitely do.

551
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: I just gotta find them, but I definitely. But I

552
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: just got so immersed into Rick and then on one

553
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: end Rick, and then on the other end cool g

554
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: rap and because I knew g it was just another thing.

555
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: So so then you know, the sound immersions. It is like, Okay,

556
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 4: you know, I'm starting to write stories. And the funny

557
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: thing is I'm writing these stories and they're just dirty,

558
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: just nasty, dirty stories. And I would do these rap

559
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: battles and I would win with the stories and stuff,

560
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: and it was you know, it would call me baby

561
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: Rick and this that and the third and or you

562
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: know I would I would definitely like I would interweave

563
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: slick Rick and cool g Rap if that makes any

564
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: kind of sense. So so, and then you know, being

565
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: around her being and Dana Dane came around, and Dana

566
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: Dane to me, was just as greatest slick Rick. So

567
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: I started shadowing Dana all the time. And but I

568
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: think the click was two things that happened.

569
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 7: It was a.

570
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 4: Place I wish it still existed called USA United States

571
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 4: of America. In Queens. Every Sunday somebody would perform. I'm

572
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: talking about Eric being rock Him this Sunday, New Edition,

573
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: Next Sunday, l O Cuja next Sunday, Every Sunday Light Clockwork.

574
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: It was the greatest breakdance place.

575
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: If you ever watch B Street when they go to

576
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: the Rocky and Battle, just picture that with just in Queens.

577
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: It was that And that's why B Street resonates with

578
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: me so much, because it was something that was actually

579
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 4: real for me. And so we went to see Coolgie

580
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: Rap perform. He had twenty two records. It's demo and

581
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: I'm flying I'm Fly with the flip side, and that's

582
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: only two records yet. And he got up there and

583
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: to see the girls in.

584
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: The that I in the neighborhood, can you curse? Yes,

585
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: absolutely so.

586
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: Girls in the neighborhood that wouldn't do nothing, would be like,

587
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 4: I want to fuck him now hearing like the good

588
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 4: girls that that I just go to school with, saying, wait,

589
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: we see him every day.

590
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: We used to call him Abdul. We see Abduel every day.

591
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: And all of a.

592
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 2: Sudden he come.

593
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: He came out, I remember this in a dapper dand

594
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 4: Louis suit. Now you know everybody had a Muslim. I

595
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: never knew what, but we back in the days that

596
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: he was.

597
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: Up doing.

598
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: Sorry g and and he came out in this. He

599
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: came out in this uh Louis Vatan suit. You got

600
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: a Gucci link on with some medallion, a head full

601
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: of Jervy curls with a fade what gold teeth.

602
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 8: But that was the thing.

603
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: You don't believe he thought that was you know, she

604
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 4: rapped with the curl and you know, and and and

605
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 4: he's rhyming on fly.

606
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: Then he throws out these dollars and then he threw out.

607
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 2: Then he threw out roses and you all these.

608
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: This is pre king. So we're like that, what the

609
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 4: fuck and the girl, but it still didn't click. So

610
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: then I asked my father. Then a couple of like

611
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 4: in the summer, this was the winter, that summertime. I'm sorry,

612
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 4: this was later. Second, the first thing that happened was

613
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 4: I asked my father to take me to a Slick

614
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: Rick Dougie Fresh concert at City College in Harlem. So

615
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 4: my pops would take me anywhere anything music related.

616
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: He was witted.

617
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: He take me. We get in that bus, and he

618
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: was witted. He bought me turntables. He was one thousand percent.

619
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 4: I'll get into him, but you know, and I'm gonna

620
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: tell the story. I know you can relate to this one.

621
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: So we get into the store, we get to the

622
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: City College and Doug comes on. He's doing his Dougie

623
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 4: Fresh records. He had a couple of records before the show.

624
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 4: Then he then a magician comes out.

625
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: Wait what a hip hop magician? So the magician comes

626
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: out and to.

627
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 4: The beat, he's like throwing fire out his hands and

628
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: all the crazy shit.

629
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, that's cool.

630
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: And then the music stops and all you hear from

631
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: the back is one two, one two, y'all the chicks win.

632
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: Rick saunters out in this FeelA suit and ballys his

633
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: his cano and shades, and he was just like, yo,

634
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: what's up, y'all? And all the chicks was losing their brains.

635
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: I was like, that is it. I have been sanctified.

636
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: It's like Jesus touched me.

637
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: At that one. I was like, fuck anything I want.

638
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: I was going to school to be an illustrator.

639
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: I was.

640
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 4: I was in art school, and I'm like, I'm not

641
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: doing no art. I was a science major. Also a

642
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: fuck science touched by the devil. No way, I'm not

643
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 4: doing this for a living for the rest of my life.

644
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: There's no way. Rick she did, Lotty Dotty did the show.

645
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 4: He bounced, chicks was losing their absolute minds. I was like,

646
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: oh no, this this gotta be my life.

647
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: Man.

648
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: I can't. I can'tnot not do that. But like the

649
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 4: touch on my post real quick. He this is how

650
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 4: my father was. I'm a heavy Prince fan, and so

651
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 4: you know, I'm like Prince Like. I relate to the

652
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 4: musicality of Prince, but I relate to the style of

653
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: Morris Day. So I'm all, I remember seven seven seven

654
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 4: ninety three eleven. That's like one of my first records

655
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: also that I ever bought, I bought. You know, I

656
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: don't think my father let me buy Dirty Mind album

657
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 4: because of him in the drawgs. No, but you know,

658
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: like and I remember bringing Home nineteen ninety nine. It's like, yo,

659
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: why is there a dick going to cover?

660
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: Like? What is it?

661
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 6: You know?

662
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: So, so I was doing a talent show and I

663
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 4: was gonna be It was a toss up between getting

664
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: my boys together and be coming the time or just

665
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: doing it alone and being prince. So my mother had

666
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 4: a purple raincoat. Put the purple coat on, she had

667
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 4: this blouse, put the blouse on, Put on my jeans.

668
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: She had these purple suede boots. Put them boots on.

669
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: Put this little thing around my hair.

670
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: I had a bush and I'm downstairs practicing Let's go crazy,

671
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: and my father walks in the baby.

672
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 8: The fuck I feel like building and mir stories like that.

673
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: So he was like, what the fuck are you doing.

674
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: It's prince man, he said, Prince what the fuck?

675
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yo, it's Prince. So I show him

676
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 4: purple Rain. He said this bullshit and come with me.

677
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: He took me to the He took me to the

678
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: video store. You know there was no Blockbuster. They took

679
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: me to the video store and it's like, give me

680
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 4: whatever you have on Jimmy Hendrix, James Brown and Little Richard.

681
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 7: Wow.

682
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: And he made me sit down and watch every documentary

683
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 4: on those trees. Said, now there goes Prince. That's what

684
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: you want to do, that's what you want to be.

685
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: You got to know who these guys are.

686
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: And so you know that was his thing. Wait, can

687
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: we stop for all of you that are listening to

688
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: this episode. This is why we do this episode.

689
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: Parents, I want you to teach your children do exactly

690
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: what he said. Musical punishments are great, John Coltrane.

691
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: I wish I had musical punishments great.

692
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 6: My parents knew you couldn't punish me with music. They

693
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 6: said to then, okay, okay, yeah, give me more of that. No, dude,

694
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 6: you know, listen to him. Two man got me John

695
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 6: Coltrane for a month.

696
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like even with Mars Day.

697
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: He saw Mars Day.

698
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: He say, you like what he has on?

699
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: I can take you to where exactly. You can buy

700
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 4: every one of those things. We went to Stacey Adams

701
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: I got, you know, and so my eighth grade prime

702
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 4: I pretty much had with Marris Day had because he

703
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: took me to the actual place. So so you know,

704
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: that's the type of you know, pops he was. And

705
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 4: I'm not saying my mother wasn't as encouraging, but my

706
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 4: mom's was the type of person was like, stop doing

707
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: that beat stuff with your mouth. It's gonna mess your

708
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: mouth up. Your lips are gonna be distorted, it's not

709
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 4: gonna look right. Tie your shoes. You're gonna get flat feet.

710
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: You're not gonna be able to walk right. Stop moving

711
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 4: your body like that. You're gonna get stuck that way.

712
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 4: Your head is gonna break. Don't spin on your head.

713
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: It will break it. We can't afford the hospital, you can.

714
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: I ask? Are you the only child?

715
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 6: No?

716
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: I had a little brother.

717
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, okay.

718
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: So so you know so and that was cool because

719
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: you know, I had a little brother and my little cousins.

720
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 4: If I couldn't get like a record or whatever, I

721
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: would like, look my brother's three. Tell them you want funk,

722
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: you right on up. Tell them you want super rhymes,

723
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: super but you know, so my brother would go ask

724
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 4: for super rhymes while I went and got these are the.

725
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: Breaks, you know what I'm saying.

726
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 4: So so yeah, and then you know, then then we

727
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 4: would do like we were the type we were like

728
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 4: the Double Trouble or something. We would come out, we

729
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 4: got to show for you, and then we put on

730
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 4: the breaks and we would perform the breaks for you know,

731
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 4: for dinner and stuff like that. So we were those kids,

732
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 4: and yeah, you know, so so that back to your question,

733
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 4: because I went around it that slick Rick moment, that

734
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: cool Gie Rat moment, was like, all right, yeah, this

735
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: is okay.

736
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: So how far was it in the future until you

737
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: were on stage for the first time doing your ship

738
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: pre deal like pre.

739
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 4: Deal immediately No no, no, no, no immediately.

740
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: It wasn't you'll get your deal at sixteen, right, yeah,

741
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: so so safe that was marketing. You were really sixteen

742
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: when you did.

743
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 4: I got my deal at sixteen. By the time Boy

744
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 4: Genius came out, I was about to be seventeen. But

745
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 4: I always did shows like you know, I hate saying

746
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 4: it in front of you, but you know I used

747
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: to kill the drums man like I'm seriously, I was like,

748
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 4: all my things, so my thing I used to be

749
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 4: good enough to wear my school would pimp me out and.

750
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: Drum at the same time. Sometimes I would that would

751
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: have been such a dope marketing angle for.

752
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 8: You saying Anderson Park is the only person that has

753
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 8: ever done that.

754
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that was a joke when I

755
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: was a kid.

756
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 4: When I was when I was a kid, fifth sixth,

757
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: seventh grade, and they got win that I did. I

758
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 4: play like that. It would be just like showtime at

759
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: Kwame's Apollo. They would just say, okay, today you're going

760
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: to the fourth grade class and you're gonna play the

761
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: drums for them, and they set up way planning rock.

762
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: You need to get out of the fourth period. Yeah

763
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: you know.

764
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: So so you know, me performing that was like, that's

765
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: what I love to do. So you know, when it

766
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 4: time when it was time to rhyme, like literally, the

767
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 4: teacher would be like, look, we're going to roller skating

768
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 4: today and there's going to be a DJ and a microphone. Kwame,

769
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 4: don't rap that that would be the prerequisite. And this is,

770
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: you know, sixth seventh grade. So you know, the first

771
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: time I was really like serious serious is that same

772
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 4: place USA? There was a rap contest every month or something,

773
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 4: and so the winner would get to go on tour

774
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: to all the other USA's. There was probably four more,

775
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: like one in Rhode Island, one in Boston, there was

776
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 4: a Philly one there was, and you know, so it

777
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: was like an East Coast thing and I was like, God,

778
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: So just to give you the people in this contest

779
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: was myself. I won one, Master Ace won the one

780
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: before that. For the them, c won the one before that.

781
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: I can't remember, super lovec casts and Overrudd won the

782
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 4: one before that. So it was all it was four

783
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 4: of us that would be out doing these USA shows.

784
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: You know.

785
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 4: So if say, if if it was the month that

786
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: I was in my competition, the special guests would be

787
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 4: Super Levec Father them See or Master Ace.

788
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: You know.

789
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: But we all, you know, we all got cool pretty

790
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 4: much from the from that experience. And then you know,

791
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: Suit got they got their deal first, and then you know,

792
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 4: Ace got his thing with the Juice Crew, you know

793
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 4: for them see he came after me. But no one

794
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 4: got deals per se from it. But that was the

795
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 4: performing experience, like the biggest, the most coveted thing that

796
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: I have is the trophy from that USA. It's in

797
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: my case I still have. It's broken. It looks like

798
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: a piece of garbage, but you know, no one will

799
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 4: know what it was. But you know, they're like, why

800
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: is this thing sitting You got all these plaques, why

801
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 4: is it sitting right?

802
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: Yo?

803
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: Man?

804
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 4: That's that's my first award.

805
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: What would you perform at that time?

806
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 4: Story rhymes?

807
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: It was like it was your own material. You just

808
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: had a beat box. Yeah. I was gonna say, did

809
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: you have a foil to do music for you?

810
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: Or yeah?

811
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: I had. I had the beat box, and then you

812
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: should have drumming run I used to.

813
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 4: I used to use this doctor rhythm drummers. I would

814
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 4: make a beat and I, you know, if the beat

815
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 4: box wouldn't come or I would have the doctor rhythm

816
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 4: whatever the beat was, and then he would beat on

817
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: top of it, and then you know, and then and

818
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: then I would rhyme. But it was mainly like story

819
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: nasty dirty story rhymes and get people.

820
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: To go six years old.

821
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then to the point where I remember my

822
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 4: father and mother found one of.

823
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: The rhymes and this is after they they find the

824
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: story book.

825
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they find around it fell out and it

826
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 4: was just like pussy bitch, fuck o, you know, all

827
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: this stuff and you know, being like trying to be

828
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 4: like stick you know, always has like a song that

829
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: is attached to it. You know, fun is so good.

830
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 4: She was like dag old dad, so.

831
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: So like that. But my min was the actual day.

832
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 4: So so my father was like my mother and father

833
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: sat me down and this is I can remember it

834
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: so vividly because they were split up for a while

835
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: and this was the one time they were together and

836
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 4: they sat me down and said, would you say this?

837
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: My mother's like, what you say this filth to me? Like, no,

838
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: what you say it to your grandmother? No?

839
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 4: And we're in my grandmother's house. Get your grandmother right

840
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: now and read this time. So my grandma's like, what's

841
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 4: going on? Like, sit down?

842
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: The bitch was sitting on my lap and I began

843
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: to rap what whatever in mine was.

844
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 4: And my grandmother was like, she just got up and

845
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 4: walked away.

846
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: Let's hear it for hip hop humiliation, that's weird. I

847
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: got it for honing it, got it right, you know.

848
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: Did you so to get a record though?

849
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: Did you finally feel like vindicated? Like, okay, now I'm this,

850
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: this is paid off well before before I get to that.

851
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: My rap name that was the big issue. Oh my

852
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: rap name was sweet Daddy Jazzy k g Q. That

853
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: was your whole, whole thing, whole name, Sweet Daddy Jazzy

854
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: k GQ. Everyone's first name. What was your first rap name?

855
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: Fante before Little Brother Fante?

856
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 6: It was psychological that's not even that bad, but it was.

857
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: But the real comedy called Yeah, you already know. It

858
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: was p s y k A L O g I

859
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: K A L with a question mark.

860
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: Backward.

861
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. Yeah, it was horrible.

862
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember, man, it was like being in the

863
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: studio one time and Dana Dana Dane was like, look, man,

864
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: I don't know how to tell you this, but that's

865
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: the stupidest name I never heard. And I looked up

866
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: to Dana so much. I was like heartbroken. I was like,

867
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: for real, man, He's like, yo, I don't know anybody

868
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 4: with the name Kwame. I don't anybody with that name.

869
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: Just use your name.

870
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 4: And Salt, which was WIBB, was in the next one,

871
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: going yeah that's a stupid ass name. Yeah, so Sault

872
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: and Dana killing me and Saul is like, you know you,

873
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: we know what you're doing. We know when we go away,

874
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 4: you coming here and you steal the drum machines and

875
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 4: you make this music and everything. You like a little

876
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 4: little boy genius. Why don't you just call yourself Kwame

877
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: the damn boy Genius or something not sweet Daddy jazzy k.

878
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, and that's how the whole thing started.

879
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 6: Honestly, man like really like you were one of the

880
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 6: first nerds. Yeah, the first nerds. Like when I bought

881
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 6: The Boy Genius, I mean that came in. I was

882
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 6: like ten, I think and seeing you know Kuame, but

883
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 6: then reading the credits and seeing your name was Kwame

884
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 6: Holland that was one of the early times I saw.

885
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 6: I was like, man, I could just be fante. I

886
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 6: could just wrap under my name. The first Cats inspired

887
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 6: me to do that. You were the first hip hop nerd,

888
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 6: so that that's probably what it was.

889
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's an associate of.

890
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: Yours that I've been dying to interview, and I really

891
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: don't know that much about him.

892
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: Okay, can you speak of.

893
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: One of my hip hop idols as a producer, Herbie

894
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: love Buf Yeah.

895
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: Please. Herbie is the most elusive man on the planet.

896
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 4: You do not know what country he is now. It

897
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 4: could be anywhere. Literally, he's the He's the male Carmen

898
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 4: san Diego. Like, I can text Herbie, where are you.

899
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: I'm in Haiti. Where are you? I'm in France, Africa.

900
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 8: Spoke to him.

901
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: He was where Miami.

902
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's one of my dreams, my personal top

903
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: five interview goals.

904
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: It is definitely Herbie Love. Yeah, I want to. I

905
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: wanted Herbie too. Herbie.

906
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, Herbie is like to run into herb.

907
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: It's just you'll run into Herbie in the weirdest places, like,

908
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 4: for example, you know I keep in touch with you know,

909
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 4: my old crew of Salt and Pepper, kidd and Play,

910
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 4: Dana Danes Sweet Tea, and so most of us still

911
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: keep in touch in some way, shape or form. So

912
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 4: it'll be like.

913
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: One.

914
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 4: It was like sometime last year, I'm talking to Play.

915
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 4: He's in La I'm in New York and we're talking

916
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 4: on the phone and we're like, man, we should find

917
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 4: Herbie and throw him at dinner, an appreciation dinner. I

918
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, if you can find him, It's like

919
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 4: everybody has his number, but you just gotta find him,

920
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 4: and I swear to you, like forty five minutes later,

921
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 4: Play calls me up, yo, I'm walking down the fucking block,

922
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: and here goes Herbie and he puts Herbie on the phone,

923
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 4: and then I talked to Herbie for a minute. Play

924
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: talks to him for a minute, and then nobody sees

925
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: him again after that, just some It's like random. So

926
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 4: I have not physically seen Herbie. The last time I

927
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 4: physically saw him was when Viehron was doing these hip

928
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: Hop honors and they were honoring Salt and Pepper and

929
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: we were going down the the step and repeat and

930
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 4: Herbie wasn't invited, but Herbie was on the in the

931
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: press line with a camera crew and a and a

932
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 4: microphone that said HTV. He's like, yo, you want to

933
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: do an interview. I'm like, what the hell are you

934
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 4: doing it? He was, yeah, you were there, he was there,

935
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: and he said, I own a TV station.

936
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: So that sounds about right.

937
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 4: I'm doing I'm gonna do. I'm doing interviews. I was like,

938
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 4: are you coming inside? And I ain't going in there.

939
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

940
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 4: This is let me, Herbie is, let me, let me

941
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: get you to understand Herbie. Herbie is the type of guy.

942
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: He is the template for any ball out producer.

943
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: He is the template.

944
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 4: Like when I say the template puff Jermaine used to

945
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: shadow Herbie all the time, you know, and Herbie is

946
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 4: the only person I've literally like, Herbie would pick me

947
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 4: up one time, like we were just hanging out. This

948
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 4: is like in the mid nineties, we reconnected and we

949
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 4: would just hang out every day for stupid stuff. Let's

950
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: call get White Castle, let's do this, let's do it.

951
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 4: And every single day a different brand new car would

952
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 4: pick me up. It would be a Hummer, it would

953
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: be whatever was hot at the time. But I've never

954
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 4: met a person with forty cars. Like literally, no I'm not,

955
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 4: I'm being literal. I've been in a garage that a

956
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 4: friend of ours own and I was like nine eleven's

957
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 4: bens is like like who he said, all this is

958
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 4: this is what Herbie stores all his cars. But then

959
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 4: go to La and see the same amount of cars,

960
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 4: same amount of cars in La, you know it was

961
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 4: didn't go to Miami and see the same I was like,

962
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 4: what are you doing?

963
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: But he was not.

964
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: But when I say, when I say that, it wasn't

965
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 4: like he was the type of person that would super

966
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 4: blowers money. He would just come up on I don't

967
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 4: know how he did it, and he made You got

968
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 4: to understand Salt and Pepper has sold a lot of records,

969
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: more than any female rapper. And they never want to

970
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: say this, but like those albums sold five six seven

971
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: million copies, and Herbie wrote all the rhymes and did them,

972
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 4: did all the music. So you're getting one hundred and

973
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 4: you're getting those that royalty. That's a lot of money.

974
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 4: And then you have push it Pushes now a commercial song.

975
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 4: So it's like and and he's the only producer that

976
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 4: I know that was able to have say because there

977
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 4: was some acts that people just never heard of anymore

978
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 4: or heard of period. But he would have ten separate

979
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: acts with ten separate deals, commanding ten budgets at the

980
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 4: same time. Yeah, you know, and and and I think

981
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 4: that the one thing that I, you know, always respected

982
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: and he puts the battery in my back as a producer,

983
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 4: you know, always respected him. As a producer. A lot

984
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: of people think he produced my stuff, and that's that's

985
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 4: for he never did. But as a producer, I had

986
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: to give him so much respect for doing that, but

987
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: I never understood why it never left his camp, Like

988
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 4: you were secret, right, why didn't you produce a record

989
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: for Madonna? You know, why didn't you produce a record

990
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: for I remember he did a remix for R. E. M.

991
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 4: One time, and you know, we thought that was a

992
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: big deal. But it never went past that. But did

993
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 4: it really have to because he had he had his

994
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 4: own and and I never understood why if you were

995
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 4: a captain of a ship, why not make everybody be

996
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 4: on a record together. Everybody was so about themselves, including me,

997
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 4: that we never figured that that switch out.

998
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, each other's videos.

999
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: That's how you guys are down with each other because

1000
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: when you're debut you Yeah, my god, Tarik loss his

1001
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: mind when he first saw it's the man we all

1002
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: know love like because he was trying to describe I

1003
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: didn't have uh MTV in my part of town, so

1004
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: basically would recorded for me and then give me the

1005
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: tape on Monday, so he would describe it to me,

1006
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: and he was just like, Yo, this is is video.

1007
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: Malcolm Jamal warners in it, kidding plays in it.

1008
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: And he's he's re enacting being tired vidic like, so

1009
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: Tarik I had already from and he.

1010
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: Starts with the same street thing. One of these kids

1011
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: don't think he's like he's like.

1012
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: He basically said, it was like a cross between because

1013
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: like I was, like, you know, the premise of Class Act,

1014
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: the movie that was.

1015
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 2: Me and I was the nerve that new break beats

1016
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: was Duncan Penner hughes.

1017
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 4: Yes, I got a great Class Act. I want to

1018
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 4: hear it please, I'm in Class Act. You know you

1019
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: wouldn't get it was sleeping right, No, I got it

1020
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 4: was the worst best experience in my life. So I

1021
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 4: was supposed to be Dougie Doug's character. I got the role.

1022
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 4: I actually got the role. I flew to La to

1023
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: start shooting and play goes, what are you doing here?

1024
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 4: I'm here to work.

1025
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: He said, no, you're not.

1026
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 4: He we wanted him, so so they they chose Dougie Doug,

1027
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 4: which was a good choice.

1028
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: He's a comedian.

1029
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 4: I'm so not so that was cool. Yes, So they

1030
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: they lobbied for him that and so they said it

1031
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 4: had no idea that I even tried out. So they said, well,

1032
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 4: we will write apart for you. So they wrote a

1033
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 4: part called Squirrelly Kid. Yeah, I had to wear my

1034
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 4: own clothes. I wore my propeller hat and the the

1035
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 4: premise was the bully guy he I'm tired of him

1036
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 4: bullying me, so I pulled out a thirty eight real, yeah,

1037
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: and he's supposed to knock the thirty eight out in

1038
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: my hand, pick me up, throw me out the window.

1039
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: So he does that.

1040
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 4: So in rehearsal, instead of him knocking the gun he

1041
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 4: was supposed to knock the gun this way out, he

1042
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 4: does it to where the gun comes this way and

1043
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 4: it whole side of my face, like the blood everywhere.

1044
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 4: Everything was crazy. So they had to shoot me from

1045
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 4: one side. And then this random stunt guy was the

1046
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 4: do they threw out the window. But I was like

1047
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, it's a mistake. They thought

1048
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 4: I was going to shoot the movie company. I was

1049
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: just so hyped to be in a movie. I was

1050
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: like whatever, And then you know, I had a busted

1051
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 4: lip for like two weeks and then kept it pushing

1052
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: and so you know, but you know, that was an

1053
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 4: example of how you could be in the same crew

1054
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 4: but yet you're still doing your your your thing, you know,

1055
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 4: because can't play a lobby for me to be in

1056
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: the movie. A little bit more, I could say that

1057
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not bitter about it, and we've talked

1058
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 4: about it, so it's nothing against them. They were on

1059
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 4: a path that they wanted to be on. But I

1060
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 4: can't understand, like why why wouldn't Salt and Pepper be

1061
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 4: to Sena Arnold and I mean Tisha Campbell and aj

1062
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 4: sunders like why why.

1063
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't that be Salt and Pepper?

1064
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 8: Wait, because Harvey did it.

1065
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 4: But but I do know that story, that story was,

1066
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 4: that movie was made for Prince. No, it was originally

1067
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 4: written for Groove be Chill, but Groove be Chill wasn't

1068
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 4: big enough. They didn't they you know, they didn't think

1069
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 4: that was gonna be big enough to carry a movie.

1070
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 4: So then it was submitted to Jeff and Prince. And

1071
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 4: I don't know what that politic was.

1072
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 8: Okay, So real quick house party.

1073
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: You remember when Will and Jeff had their own Freddy

1074
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: song night Mare Online Street, Well, New Line Cinema had

1075
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: already designated who's the.

1076
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: Most popular rap group out there? Yeah, the Fat Boys.

1077
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: So basically Will and Jeff, Will and Jeff have basically

1078
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: messed up the Fat Boys Nightmare theme because their ship

1079
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: was way bigger than that. So New Line Cinema tried

1080
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: to sue Will and just yes, yep. And then this

1081
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: movie comes up because the Hutler brothers really want Jazzy

1082
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: Jeff and the Fresh Prince based on parents just don't understand, yeah,

1083
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: and so a bunch of irritate whatever, and you know,

1084
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: they're like, no, they're trying to sue us anyway for

1085
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: Nightmare Online.

1086
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: We don't want New Line Cinema. So then they went

1087
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: to kitt and Play.

1088
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: But but so what I'm talking about with grooveby Chill

1089
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 4: is pre all of that. It's the inception writing a

1090
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 4: script and with them in mind, I think it was

1091
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 4: like Groovy grooveby Chill and Finessence and Quiz like that

1092
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 4: was like the inception of the script from from what

1093
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 4: I was told. You know, I could be wrong, so

1094
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 4: you know, so so, but just imagine it was a

1095
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 4: salt and pepper kid and play movie or you know.

1096
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 4: And then another thing with House Party, that was my

1097
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: other movie failure. I guess I was. I went to

1098
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 4: l A. I went to live in l A to

1099
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 4: be in House Party. You know, Herbie gasped me up,

1100
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 4: you can make your second album, you can make music

1101
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 4: for the movie, and you beloud yeah, And then I

1102
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 4: get to the set, there's no nothing for me to do.

1103
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 4: But yet if you look at the movie, just like

1104
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 4: ten kwame look alikes in the house party, oh yeah,

1105
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 4: dancing and all the stuff, and I'm like, so I

1106
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 4: couldn't have done that, Like really, y'all couldn't have.

1107
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: Y'all couldn't said okay home and you can go.

1108
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 8: I can.

1109
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: I can dance, and you know I could have danced

1110
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 4: well enough for the movie. So so it was things

1111
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 4: like that, even if.

1112
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: Y'all were family.

1113
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: Are you saying that there was just in house competition

1114
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: with this is my Dodaine like, yeah, go get your

1115
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: don't use my platform, worm to so they couldn't see

1116
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: the bigger pictures.

1117
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 4: I think the biggest picture was Salt and Pepper, and

1118
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 4: Salt and Pepper's platform allowed everybody else to be on

1119
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 4: a platform. For example, that n W a movie that

1120
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 4: you everybody saw straight out of Compton, that tour that

1121
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 4: they were on. That was me n W. A easy

1122
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 4: kidn't play Salt and Pepper.

1123
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: That night I was on that tour. Yeah, so so.

1124
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 4: But but that took place because the power of Salt

1125
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 4: and Pepper was like, well, if you want Salt and

1126
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 4: Pepper on this tour, you gotta take Kwame and can play.

1127
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 4: But it was cool, you know, and the cool thing

1128
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 4: was that's how my my record sales grew because in

1129
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 4: the beginning of the tour they had no idea who

1130
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 4: the hell I was. By the end of the tour,

1131
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 4: you know, things were popping and that to honestly, the

1132
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 4: tour was only two weeks, week and a half.

1133
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 8: It wasn't even it was supposed to be two weeks

1134
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 8: or got yeah.

1135
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was it.

1136
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 4: But two weeks to a kid that doing something they've

1137
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 4: never done before on tour, it was so dope because

1138
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, the ordinances, they're you know,

1139
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 4: no curse and no you know all these ordinances. So

1140
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 4: we would do things like all right, easy would come

1141
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 4: into our dress room, we'll all do things together. If

1142
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 4: anybody knows about tours, sometimes the closing acts always have

1143
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 4: the louder music, always have the better everything. But they

1144
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 4: did not want to do everybody had an equal sound,

1145
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 4: everybody at equal stage, free to rome. But the plan was, Okay, look,

1146
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 4: this is how we're gonna do it. Kwame, You're gonna

1147
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 4: go on and then you're gonna run off, and then

1148
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 4: Easy's gonna come on. Easy's gonna say all types of craziness,

1149
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 4: and WA's gonna come in. We're gonna say all types

1150
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 4: of craziness. And on the last song, Kidn't play, run

1151
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 4: on stage, Easy and them are gonna jump in the

1152
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 4: crowd and run out straight out the arena. And this

1153
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 4: is thirty thirty, twenty thousand Seed arenas every night, so

1154
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 4: that's too avoid that we were playing trickery on the

1155
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 4: local police. We couldn't, and it got to the point

1156
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 4: because of the police. It got to the point that

1157
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 4: we all no hotel within that city would accept us,

1158
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 4: so we would have to go to outlying cities and

1159
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 4: change our names. And it got even worse. Imagine a

1160
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:41,959
Speaker 4: thirty thousand cedar no security because all the local cops,

1161
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 4: all cops boycotted, so they're like, look, y'all want to

1162
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 4: say fuck us, fuck y'all, hope y'all die in there.

1163
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: So we would have to get on.

1164
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 4: Stage and be like look, it was like local security

1165
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 4: guards with like yellow shirts and shit. And we would

1166
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 4: have to be like, look, they want us to kill

1167
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 4: ourselves tonight, so what are y'all gonna do? We know

1168
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 4: this gangs in here, we know, we know what the type.

1169
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 4: We know there's all types of people in here, but

1170
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 4: they want us to die. You know, Pe was on

1171
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 4: some of the shows, so you know, Chuck would get

1172
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 4: in and say what he had to say.

1173
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 8: I got to say that everybody speak.

1174
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: They piece like, yeah, but but but we we It

1175
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 4: was so cool because the cleaner acts did pick up

1176
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 4: for the for the quote unquote dirtier acts. You know,

1177
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 4: too Short was on the show, so whoever dirty comes on,

1178
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 4: has a clean guy gotta come on right after that.

1179
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: So it was just flash.

1180
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 4: But it was never it was never. It was never

1181
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 4: a thing where it was like I sold this mini

1182
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 4: record so I'm going on last or anything. It was

1183
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 4: nothing like that because we understood it was us against

1184
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 4: them at this point. So we're on this, We're on

1185
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 4: this crazy tour and you know, probably the best two

1186
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 4: weeks of my life.

1187
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: You know, imagine an n W A and Cann't play

1188
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: tour like I mean, I mean, it makes sense. But

1189
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: because hip hop got so divided, was before the early nineties.

1190
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 7: Yes, what about the fans who just came to see

1191
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 7: the good and fans who just came to see the

1192
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 7: There was no such thing the thing.

1193
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: The roots in future perform you know what I mean?

1194
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 4: But see you Gotta, you gotta.

1195
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: Was there any nervousness over territories? So like if you

1196
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: were I mean, you could be hitting in New York

1197
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: you know you played.

1198
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 4: It happened for NW like that. By the time we

1199
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 4: reached we did the spectrum in Philly, it was cool.

1200
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 4: But once we went past Philly kind of all bets

1201
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 4: was off a little bit for for well, at least

1202
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 4: too short n w A. It was a different story,

1203
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 4: but too short. Like them records never really reached the

1204
01:06:54,360 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 4: East Coast, but anywhere pre Philly, from l A to DC, Virginia.

1205
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:03,959
Speaker 2: Two shows.

1206
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 4: Was the first rapper I've ever seen get on stage

1207
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,959
Speaker 4: and never say a word. Thirty thousand people knew every

1208
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 4: line to every song and at the end of the show,

1209
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 4: what's my favorite work? And that was the end of

1210
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 4: the show.

1211
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, oh god, Now I got someone that has

1212
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: been in front of thirty thousand people doing the classic

1213
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: hip hop era. My version of touring is very blue

1214
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: collar you know. I mean you've seen it, you know, yeah, Granola,

1215
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: cereal and oatmeal. Dave Matthews playing on the.

1216
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: K Mathew's playing on the PA system in between acts.

1217
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: What give me? Just give me life on tour in

1218
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, what's going on? So let me know everything.

1219
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 4: From women on down. It's like, I'll give you like

1220
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 4: my stories, man, I'm telling you these things are crazy.

1221
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 4: Like it'll be things like you pull up to a city.

1222
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 4: The reason why we were doing arenas because rap was

1223
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 4: so rap was like, I don't know if anybody's ever

1224
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:29,839
Speaker 4: experienced a Mexican act that comes to like say Madison

1225
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 4: Square Garden or something like that, they don't because it's

1226
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 4: so compartmentalized. Everybody just goes to one place to see it.

1227
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 4: There were no clubs, you know, there was no club

1228
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 4: dates or anything. It was just like, all right, there's

1229
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 4: these rappers. How do we get everybody who likes rapping

1230
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 4: one place at one time? Do the basketball arena?

1231
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1232
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 4: So it was like that. So we would get to

1233
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 4: town and it would be things like just personal experience.

1234
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 4: I got pull in and there will be a girl

1235
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 4: standing in front of the hotel where's Carmel, Like, who's Carmel?

1236
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 4: And we wearing the poke dot got the street, where's.

1237
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: Carmel and ready to put out It's literally literally it'll

1238
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: be something.

1239
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 4: Where my boy he's in the back of that bus

1240
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 4: and by the time she got to the back of

1241
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 4: the bus, she was butt naked, like butt naked, big

1242
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 4: three hundred pounds. I want to Carmel where he had

1243
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 4: rotten now and see and it would be like it

1244
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 4: would be weird things like that, or I'll give you

1245
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 4: a Milwaukee story.

1246
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 2: So so the smaller obscure towns are the more craziest.

1247
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Calama Zoo, Madison, Wisconsin.

1248
01:09:54,760 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: The craziest place the Calama Zoo. That way, Michigan. So

1249
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 2: like in.

1250
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 4: Milwaukee, imagine like you know, we weren't in the fly hotels.

1251
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 4: We didn't get boutique hotels or anything. We were in

1252
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 4: holiday inns and Best Westerns or whatever. So the only

1253
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 4: people that could even match up with rappers at the

1254
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 4: time were drug dealers. Where you have like, say you know,

1255
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 4: you come to a say a Root show, you'll be

1256
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 4: have actors there, You'll have athletes there. At this time,

1257
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 4: we weren't necessarily cool to like Michael Jordan would never

1258
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 4: show up better rap show.

1259
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,799
Speaker 2: Malcolm Jamal Warner would yeah, yeah.

1260
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 4: But he was our aide, so it doesn't count. But

1261
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 4: Michael Jorgan somebody like a baseball player, basketball player, an actor.

1262
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 4: For the most part, the biggest person that would ever

1263
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 4: show up to anything would be Bobby Brown and Mike Tyson,

1264
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 4: So you know that those guys would be the ones

1265
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 4: that would run with us. But anybody else we were

1266
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 4: like those nasty ass rappers they hudlums in so so

1267
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 4: so we weren't ever any in anything posh. So we

1268
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 4: would get to like say the holiday in and the

1269
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 4: only people that would be around us were the local

1270
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 4: drug dealers. So you know, like we knew them all,

1271
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 4: we were friends with them all. So those are all

1272
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 4: of them, all of them, Jay Prince, everybody you just

1273
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 4: run down the line. Whoever was hot at the time

1274
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 4: was popping. Everybody who was popping, and they were young

1275
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 4: enough to like rap.

1276
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: Very well. But see.

1277
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 4: You know, but that's when we go to Houston, that's

1278
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 4: who who took care of everybody? You know, that's not

1279
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 4: see I don't want to stand this is the before

1280
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 4: I get into the story. I don't understand the the

1281
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 4: the flashing lights over the name J Prince, I don't get.

1282
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 4: I don't personally understandstand because he was just homie when

1283
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 4: we got to He had the Rolex hookup, he had

1284
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 4: the club hook up, he had the girl hookup. He

1285
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 4: would show you know, you know, uh Scarface, he was

1286
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 4: the man in Houston. Yes, Scarface would come. He would

1287
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 4: be at every show before he was Scarface. Scarface and

1288
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 4: Bushwick Bill. We would know them because they had a laminate.

1289
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 4: They used to rock lamin. It's from every single show

1290
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 4: that ever happened in Houston. Ever, they would always be in.

1291
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 4: You know, Dana used to live with J. Prince, so

1292
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 4: you know, I don't. Yeah, so so you know, and

1293
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 4: Dana would call it, man, this dude got elevated in

1294
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 4: his house like for real. So so you know, and

1295
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 4: all we knew was JA Prince had rap a lot

1296
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 4: records and you know, like, Okay, So I don't I

1297
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 4: personally don't understand.

1298
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 2: Prince.

1299
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 4: Yeah I don't.

1300
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 8: That's good that you don't because it might.

1301
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: And it's maybe I don't. I don't. Yeah.

1302
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm saying as maybe my lack of my

1303
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 4: my ignorance and research I can only go I can

1304
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 4: always you know, go back and see. Okay, what do I.

1305
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 8: Maybe you was a dude everybody loves, But it's just

1306
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 8: it was just.

1307
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 4: Never a situation. You never had to check in with

1308
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 4: anybody when you got to a certain time. You never

1309
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 4: it was just everybody. So I'm saying the people that,

1310
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 4: so to add.

1311
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: On to that or ask going too that, when did

1312
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: you lose that feeling? Like when did hip hop suddenly

1313
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: become a foreign city to you? Like, oh wait, what's

1314
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: going on here?

1315
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 4: Like I wanted to tell my Milwaukee story. No no, no, no,

1316
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 4: no no, but that's scond that's so Milwaukee. So so

1317
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 4: we're all in this holiday inn and it's nothing but

1318
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 4: the local hustlers in the hotel with us. So imagine

1319
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 4: you have one side of a hall and all the

1320
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 4: rooms are connected. So it's my room here, Tasha, who

1321
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 4: sings only you here, tap money here, you know, everybody

1322
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 4: and all of and how we usually do it to

1323
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 4: a bus leaves at six in the morning. If you

1324
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 4: missed the bus, you left, and so flavor, flavor, somebody

1325
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 4: will always be on our bus because they would always

1326
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 4: miss But we have these connecting rooms and so at

1327
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 4: some point all of us could be in one room

1328
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 4: and the other four rooms could be empty. So I'm

1329
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 4: in my room packing. Tasha's in one of the rooms.

1330
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 4: She comes back to my room. She goes back to

1331
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 4: her room and she starts crying, what's happening. Bought this

1332
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 4: brand new Louis Vuitton bag and my shit is gone?

1333
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 4: Like how who could have gotten into your room? But basically,

1334
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 4: somebody went into one room, got and started robbing room.

1335
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 4: So the hotel manager brings her license up. They found

1336
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 4: the bag and the license on the ground in the lobby,

1337
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 4: so they bring it back up. She puts the bag away,

1338
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 4: goes like a dumb ass, goes into another room. They

1339
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 4: come back into her room, steal the bag again.

1340
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: Oh shit.

1341
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 4: So we're like, all right, we gotta find his back.

1342
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 4: She's hysterical, her mother gave her his bag, blah blah blah.

1343
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 4: So we start knocking on every door. Mind you, there

1344
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 4: was a guy that would come knocking on the way,

1345
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 4: Man where the party at? Man where the party at?

1346
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 4: So he was the scout. You know, nobody's paying attention.

1347
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 4: So we're knocking on the doors and we opened one

1348
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 4: door and I see the scout dude, and I'm like, yo, man,

1349
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 4: you was in my room and so little me, I'm

1350
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 4: popping shit. He don't know that I got like twenty

1351
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 4: dudes in the hallway behind me. So I bust open

1352
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 4: the door and her bag is hanging on the on

1353
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 4: the door on the side door.

1354
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 2: So I say, you got my shit. You came in

1355
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 2: my room. You violated.

1356
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 4: I'm doing all this New York shit.

1357
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: He's like, man, you better back up.

1358
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 4: I said, if anybody comes to me and punch him

1359
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 4: in the face. So one guy comes up, whoop knock

1360
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 4: him and all I hear they had a suite. All

1361
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 4: I hear is.

1362
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: There you go?

1363
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 4: I kid you not like seven dudes came out of

1364
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 4: this back bedroom with guns.

1365
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: But this is the the click speedos on wait what speedos?

1366
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 4: Cowboy booth, oh god, and the cowboy hat and sub

1367
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 4: automatic machine guns.

1368
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like you. I was like, what yo. Ever

1369
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: see that that gift where Homo Simpson just back the

1370
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 2: Irish exit, Yo, I was like.

1371
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 4: But it was things like that that would always Besides

1372
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 4: the girl, there was like so many weird girl stories,

1373
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 4: Like girls it'll be like pulling up and doing in

1374
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 4: store when there were record stores to do in stores

1375
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 4: at and you do the instore and there's like little

1376
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 4: kids being in, little girls and being in and and

1377
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 4: then like two hours later, you get a knock on

1378
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 4: the door and his grown woman to show up to

1379
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 4: the to the room in this nice dress. She's like, yeah,

1380
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 4: I found out you were hearing. And then you know,

1381
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 4: you're like seventeen, you're ready to get in, and then

1382
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 4: she goes, you know, you don't remember me, I was

1383
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 4: the girl you met at the in store, the twelve

1384
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 4: year old.

1385
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 2: She's like, what it was like a.

1386
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 4: Whole lot and it was like and it was like, yeah,

1387
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 4: I stole my mom's she worked nice and she don't

1388
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 4: know I took her dress, blah blah blah, like we

1389
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 4: got to get you home, you know, and you know

1390
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 4: what it was like. It was so crazy. It was

1391
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 4: and it started to be known that these young girls

1392
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 4: were doing it or it was and I don't know,

1393
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 4: it might happen still like this today, but it'll be

1394
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 4: things where girls are being in the room and you

1395
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 4: hear husbands just knocking on every door crying where's mother.

1396
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1397
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 4: It'll be things like and this was the crazy thing.

1398
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 4: Whole moms would bring their daughters and like, because the

1399
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 4: mom wanted to meet say Ll, the daughter wanted to

1400
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 4: meet me. So the mom would be like, I'm gonna

1401
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 4: just leave her here in the room with you.

1402
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go go beet l.

1403
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 4: It was stuff like that, the mom wanted to meet

1404
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 4: Alby Shaw, Bobby Brown or Keith Sway strain up. And

1405
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 4: then then and then the worst then the craziest thing,

1406
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 4: you know, because back then music literally at this point

1407
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 4: before ninety i say, pre ninety two, music was just hot.

1408
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,759
Speaker 4: Music was hot music, and anybody went on tour with anybody,

1409
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 4: you would have the whole Sheriff's department. They know somebody

1410
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 4: was in town. The whole sheriff's department would show up

1411
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 4: at the hotel, knock on every door and check I D.

1412
01:18:54,439 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 4: And there's been many specially roadies, many roadies arrested for

1413
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 4: suspicion of statutory rate because they would have a girl

1414
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 4: in the room. The girl would be fourteen, the roady

1415
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 4: would be twenty something. It would check ID. The girl

1416
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't have any ID, so the girl would have to

1417
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 4: call the parents. The parents was superheated at the fact

1418
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 4: that this random guy from Bushwick or whatever it is

1419
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 4: with their daughter. You know, it was crazy stuff like that.

1420
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 4: You know, you know, nobody was smart in any such

1421
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 4: sense of the word.

1422
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 8: It was just like Pete Bobby Brown, prebody, No, this

1423
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 8: is pre.

1424
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 4: This is current Bobby, this is Bobby Brown, is Bobby

1425
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 4: Brown was this was during the same time. This was

1426
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 4: all at the same time.

1427
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 7: I feel like during that's when it's got shut down,

1428
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 7: like nineties between.

1429
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: Bobby Brown and Luke Luke. I feel like, really, yeah,

1430
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: the idea thing like yeah, so so.

1431
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 4: But but to your question about what, hey, I know.

1432
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: I women, I know women. I mean, you know it was.

1433
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 4: But see the thing is, it wasn't. We look at

1434
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 4: it as a certain way now, But I think back

1435
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 4: then it was just I want to liken it to Woodstock,

1436
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 4: you know how everybody wild out in Woodstock and no

1437
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 4: one put you know, like there was sex on the

1438
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 4: lawn and in the mud and all that. But nobody said, oh,

1439
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 4: that was a whole doing it. You know, nobody did that.

1440
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 4: It was just like people doing sex and drugs. So

1441
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 4: in the eighties, I would say, I would think from

1442
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 4: Mellion Mail's time all the way up to say ninety

1443
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 4: one ninety two, there was no definition of it. It

1444
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 4: was just kids gone wild. It was literally that. Because

1445
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,799
Speaker 4: then after that, then the label started and Freaknick started

1446
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 4: to come and in, and then all this all this

1447
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 4: crazy stuff.

1448
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 2: Then things started.

1449
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 4: It started to have an ugly face to a lot

1450
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 4: of things that were going on. But I think to

1451
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 4: answer your question, when I think the end of I

1452
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 4: would say an era, a golden era, I would say

1453
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 4: with death row with with NWA. Honestly, with the beginning

1454
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 4: of bad Boy, with that, it started to put things

1455
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 4: in boxes and rappers. We definitely all wore our costumes

1456
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 4: at the time, but now there were designated costumes that

1457
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 4: you had to wear. If you were from the East coast,

1458
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 4: you had to look like this and you had to

1459
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 4: rap like this. If you were from the West coast,

1460
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 4: you had to look and rap like this. And MTV

1461
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 4: came into full stream, like every neighborhood started to have

1462
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 4: that cable now and your MTV ra apps is now

1463
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 4: really at its height. And that was the imagery that

1464
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 4: was pushed across the world. So that's why a lot

1465
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 4: of people will think rap starts with Tupac and Biggie,

1466
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 4: because that at that point is where it turned into

1467
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: a corporate hydra and and I don't think people understood

1468
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 4: what they were falling into because it was now now

1469
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 4: there was money.

1470
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: You know, think about it.

1471
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 8: I got a Sprit commercial.

1472
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, you understand what a top artist gets on tour, right,

1473
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 4: quest So the top, the top pay for somebody in

1474
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety was maybe I remember Salt

1475
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 4: and Pepper was getting twenty two thousand a show a show,

1476
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 4: you know, and that was like.

1477
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh shit, twenty But in nineteen eighty nine that was major.

1478
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, that sounds great.

1479
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 4: Mc hammer was probably the top and he was at

1480
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 4: twenty three to twenty five.

1481
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1482
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 4: A good a good rapper, like if you're really popping

1483
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 4: and you had like maybe a gold out because like

1484
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 4: selling gold is now the equivalent of like two times platinum.

1485
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 4: So if you had a goal to platinum album, you

1486
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 4: can probably get twelve to fifteen thousand.

1487
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: Your agent nor well, no, no, I see him, Mark

1488
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: Mark Mark At, I see him was was my agent

1489
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: at the time.

1490
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 4: But you know, there was several agencies that we would

1491
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 4: just bounce from. You know, there was all these weird

1492
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 4: little agencies and but you know, so the money wasn't

1493
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 4: you know, the hottest you know, I was pushing a Volkswagon.

1494
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 4: You know, that was like the hottest whip you know,

1495
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 4: and you know, the only person that had like a

1496
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 4: super ill car besides Herbie. Every Beat for some some

1497
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 4: reason pulled out of Rolls Royce one day and everybody

1498
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 4: was like, how the hell, how the hell? It was

1499
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 4: an old one, but it was like, how did you

1500
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 4: get that? You know, no, no, no, you would be surprised.

1501
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 4: And I think that I think that at the glow

1502
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 4: of hip hop and being a rapper and being in

1503
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 4: hip hop at the time was a full body experience,

1504
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 4: so people just acted that way. Then once ninety two

1505
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 4: ninety three came along and you started following the mega trends,

1506
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 4: it just it just turned. It turned everything into a

1507
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 4: big money game. People made a lot of money.

1508
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

1509
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: I hate to do this to you, but you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to wait for part two with our interview with

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Speaker 1: Kwame on Quest Love Supreme and which he gets into

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Speaker 1: it about the big Ee situation and produce him for

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Speaker 1: a lot of hip hop notable.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see you on the next go ROUNDO Quest

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Speaker 2: Love Supreme only on Pandora. Sorry, See You.

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora. For more

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.