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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us Always buy our bark.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bar.

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Speaker 3: A lot of me in the host chair today, Alex.

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Speaker 3: People that were listening to PU are listening to me.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Those emailers that email in matten say that they can't

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Speaker 3: stand my voice and don't want to hear me and

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. They they're out of luck today.

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Speaker 1: They are rough times for them.

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Speaker 3: You got my voice hosting the show, facilitating, leading the

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Speaker 3: charge for for almost four hours. So put that in

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Speaker 3: your pipe and smoke it right. I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: swear today. I haven't. I didn't swear on PU. I'm

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Speaker 3: not gonna swear on this show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy's kids listening, Evan, come on.

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Speaker 3: That's true. I really feel bad about that now that

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 1: Somebody call in on Unfiltered so that he turns the

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Speaker 1: show on with his kid in the car.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, because he knows that we won't swear, which

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Speaker 3: we really don't. I mean, look at shi T I'm

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Speaker 3: not gonna say it because I said I'm not gonna

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Speaker 3: swear is that you know, we're talking about low level

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Speaker 3: that's not a federal crime. So we're we're good. We're

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Speaker 3: good in that respect, but not gonna swear today. We

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Speaker 3: are twenty days exactly today, twenty days from the start

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Speaker 3: of Patriots training camp. It's Evan Lazar, Alex Barth Patriots

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Speaker 3: Catch twenty two. We're gonna do some roster projection breakdowns.

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Speaker 3: Both Alex and I have roster projections up on our

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Speaker 3: respective websites that you can check out, and so we're

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Speaker 3: gonna kind of go back and forth on some of

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Speaker 3: the differences, some of the similarities break down the roster.

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Speaker 3: We're also gonna we gotta get our AFC previews in.

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Speaker 3: We we forgot last week. We got on on the

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Speaker 3: Juwan Bentley DeVante Parker extension train and sort of forgot

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Speaker 3: to talk about the Jets. So we'll talk about the Jets.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about the Bills. Alex, you should have fun

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Speaker 3: with that talking about the Bills. Oh yeah, everybody's Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl favorite Buffalo Bills. But I want to start with

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Speaker 3: if you will twenty days, as I mentioned, to training camp,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know about you, Alex, but I've I'm

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Speaker 3: starting to itch a little bit. I'm starting to to

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Speaker 3: of the season, and talking training camp was just my

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Speaker 3: favorite time of the year in the NFL calendar by far,

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Speaker 3: because we get to actually watch practice every day and

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Speaker 3: things like that, and that's that's always my favorite part.

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Speaker 1: Of the year. But are you getting the itch a

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Speaker 3: Are you getting ready orre you still enjoying the You're

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Speaker 3: you're you're off doing all sorts of things this summer.

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Speaker 3: You're golfing, You're you're on the beach, Like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I I was like, I got to it and it

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Speaker 1: Like I went on threads last night, so the first time.

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Speaker 3: So you're you just threaded about the show.

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Speaker 1: I did thread about the show. Welcome to the Patriot

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Patriots, by the way, I saw they

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Speaker 3: No no threads yet, no threads yet. There's talk upstairs

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Speaker 1: So I threaded that last night. What will the Patriots

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Speaker 3: So the cool thing about threads not the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: two millennials talking about social media, shocker. But the cool

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Speaker 3: so we already own at Patriots because we're own at

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Speaker 3: Patriots on Instagram. So there's so that that already carries over.

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Speaker 1: To talk about this nonsense.

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Speaker 3: I basically built my career on Twitter, like literally built

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Speaker 3: That was a big, big part of me getting to

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Speaker 3: That's that's been my livelihood for like five years, is

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Speaker 1: Well then and follow us on on threads. I just

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Speaker 1: picked up a couple So if that's people listening, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. I appreciate. I was like, because when

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Speaker 3: I'm in a good spot now with my career being

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Speaker 3: around the fourth booh. Well, I mean, you know, gotta

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Speaker 1: Well, you gotta remember it's still like the first version.

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Speaker 3: Roster projection. The little bit of news that I did

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Speaker 3: Alex not DeAndre Hopkins tweeting that he had some bad

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Speaker 1: Did you see what else he tweeted though about it?

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Speaker 3: I think he means that he doesn't feel well all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, He also tweeted, this was an hour ago. I'll

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Speaker 1: with that set, I was on pace for fourteen hundred

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Speaker 3: So the one thing I'll say about DeAndre Hopkins, like

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Speaker 3: off the air. I watched a Bill Bill O'Brien coaching

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Speaker 3: clinic yesterday with my afternoon It's great. It's only like

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Speaker 3: and he breaks down some of his like core empty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's a good summation of it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's only what like six or seven guys

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Speaker 1: Bentley's caliber, easy deal to take.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's an underrated player. I think that

432
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Speaker 3: because of his style of play, people think that he's

433
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Speaker 3: a sort of his type of player has has aged

434
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Speaker 3: out of football right like that. It's it's a dinosaur

435
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Speaker 3: type of role. But I think he's a really underrated player.

436
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Speaker 3: I think he's gotten better in space and in coverage

437
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Speaker 3: than he was at the beginning of his career, maybe

438
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Speaker 3: not athletically but instinct to make up for the fact

439
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 3: that he's not the best athlete or the fastest guy

440
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 3: or the most nimble guy. Now he's been better at

441
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 3: being a little bit like a step ahead of things, right,

442
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Speaker 3: because of his anticipation and his mental aspect of the game.

443
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Speaker 3: So I really like the Bentley contract. I really think

444
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Speaker 3: that that's the type of guy that you want to

445
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Speaker 3: keep around and you want to have be one of

446
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Speaker 3: the captains of this team. I think he's going to

447
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Speaker 3: be a captain this year, honestly.

448
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Speaker 1: I would. I mean, he was a captain last year.

449
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he be.

450
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Speaker 3: Was, so I couldn't remember there was a year was

451
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Speaker 3: a captain.

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Speaker 1: He was a captain in twenty twenty because High Tower

453
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Speaker 1: off to that right, right right, And then he wasn't

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Speaker 1: a captain in twenty one because High Tower came back. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: and then he was a captain last year because High

456
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Speaker 1: Tower was unofficially, unofficially retired. Can I call him that

457
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Speaker 1: I think he's retired. No, he's retired now, but I'm

458
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Speaker 1: saying like he wasn't retired last year, but he wasn't

459
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Speaker 1: here yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, So that's sort of your reset

461
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Speaker 3: of where things stand in Patriot had not much going on.

462
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Speaker 3: We're in the dead period of the off season for

463
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Speaker 3: the most part, but we're still got a few things

464
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Speaker 3: there to touch on, and you can join in at

465
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Speaker 3: eight five to five PATS five hundred email, web radio

466
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Speaker 3: at Patriots dot com. We're gonna get into the roster

467
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Speaker 3: projection part of the show here and try to rifle

468
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Speaker 3: through both of our roster projections out. So you ready,

469
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Speaker 3: you got yours, yours up and pull it up, all right,

470
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Speaker 3: You're gonna pull yours up, and I'm gonna do the

471
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Speaker 3: easiest one right off the bout just quarterback. Two quarterbacks here,

472
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Speaker 3: Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy. I have Trace McSorley getting

473
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Speaker 3: cut and probably retained on the practice squad, and I

474
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Speaker 3: do not currently have Malie Cunningham with the quarterbacks. So

475
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Speaker 3: those are my three quarterbacks right now, Jones and Zappy

476
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Speaker 3: on the roster, h mc sorely the cut but also

477
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Speaker 3: coming back on the practice squad most likely. And I

478
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Speaker 3: have a bigger I think with the quarterbacks, and I

479
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Speaker 3: don't know, I'm sure you're at it the same way.

480
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Speaker 1: With the quarterbacks.

481
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Speaker 3: The main thing that we have to look at it,

482
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Speaker 3: it's a big picture conversation with the quarterback position. It's

483
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: not about roster cuts, right and who's gonna make the team.

484
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Speaker 3: We know the two guys that are gonna make team.

485
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Speaker 3: It's about the big picture conversation with this position. And

486
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: I think this is currently right now is the hardest

487
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Speaker 3: but the biggest sticking point with the entire Patriots team.

488
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Speaker 3: And I'm not I really don't feel like I'm overstating it.

489
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: I know that that sounds like hyperb hyperbolic, right.

490
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Speaker 1: You need to say hyperbole.

491
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Speaker 3: I know that sounds like hyperbole.

492
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Speaker 1: It either sounds like hyperbole, or it sounds hyperbolic, it's.

493
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Speaker 3: It sounds I think it's hyperbole. Is easier to say, yeah, yeah,

494
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 3: so I know it sounds like hyperbole, But I really

495
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Speaker 3: think that this is a true crossroads for this organization.

496
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Speaker 3: You have to make a decision on mac Jones in

497
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Speaker 3: many ways. Yeah, And the main one in my mind

498
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: is that you need to decide is mac Jones a

499
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Speaker 3: truck or is he a trailer? Is he pulling the

500
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Speaker 3: wagon or is he riding the wagon? And a separate

501
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Speaker 3: aside from all the contract stuff which we could also

502
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Speaker 3: get into, and it is also part of the big

503
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Speaker 3: picture here. You if you decide Mac Jones is more

504
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: of along for the ride than he is leading the charge,

505
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Speaker 3: then you need to change how you your whole philosophy

506
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 3: of team building. You're We've talked about this at nauseum.

507
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: You need to become the San Francisco forty nine ers

508
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: right where you're just you're paying everybody else. You're paying

509
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Speaker 3: all the twenty twenty draft picks josh U, j Kyle Duger,

510
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Speaker 3: Mike Onnwentu. You're signing de Andre Hopkins next offseason, You're

511
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: trading making a wide receiver trade. You're making a move at,

512
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: you know, all the positions on offense to load up

513
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Speaker 3: and have all sorts of fire power and maximize having

514
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Speaker 3: a good not great quarterback. And maybe you take that good.

515
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Speaker 3: You know, let's say Max the sixteenth best quarterback in

516
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Speaker 3: the league. Maybe he's the tenth best quarterback in the

517
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Speaker 3: league if he's got all these weapons to throw to.

518
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Speaker 3: And that's how you have to build it. Or you

519
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: need Mac to elevate his game to the point where

520
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Speaker 3: he's the captain and he's driving the ship. So I

521
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: think the bigger question is is is that in him?

522
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 3: Is Mac Jones capable of doing that? And is the

523
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Speaker 3: team capable of changing their philosophy or are we looking

524
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Speaker 3: at the scenario where after year three we're talking about

525
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 3: moving on from Mac Jones because they want to build

526
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Speaker 3: the roster a certain way and they want to spend

527
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Speaker 3: in a certain way, which means that you have to

528
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: go chase the golden goose, right, you have to go

529
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: chase the Josh Allen, the Patrick Mahomes. You can't sit

530
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Speaker 3: here in purgatory. And I think that's honestly the bigger

531
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Speaker 3: than any of the other like, who's the fifth receiver

532
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Speaker 3: and who's gonna be you know, the running back depth,

533
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Speaker 3: and like all these other sort of camp battles and

534
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: roster conversations we're going to have over the next couple months.

535
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Speaker 3: That's the biggest thing with this team right now is

536
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Speaker 3: what do they have in mac Jones and what is

537
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Speaker 3: their direction with mac Jones at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: Well, the other thing within all of that is we're

539
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Speaker 1: not going to know that in camp. We're not going

540
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Speaker 1: to know that this spring. I mean, that's that's a

541
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Speaker 1: December or January conversation. I will say this though, and

542
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: I think it even it's even simple than what you said.

543
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: They may be okay with mac Jones being just a

544
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Speaker 1: guy who's here, a guy who doesn't win them games

545
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: but doesn't lose them games. They may be okay with that. Yeah,

546
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: they'll need to make some adjustments. It's that fifty year option. Yeah,

547
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: are you committing to mac Jones long term or not?

548
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: I think even even beyond just are you gonna change

549
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: the way you build around them? And I know we

550
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: do this every year and he yelled me for this,

551
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: but because of the way the NIL stuff works, and

552
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: there's a kind of a Fluke thing coming up. This

553
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: year's quarterback class is loaded. There is nobody in the

554
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five class. Now you'll tell me, well, sometimes

555
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: guys go back to school and they'll be guys there

556
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. Why are they going back to

557
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: school because they weren't good? Nobody's good and goes back

558
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: to school.

559
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: But counterpoint one, couldn't they say, oh, well, like Caleb

560
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: Williams is going number one overall in this draft and

561
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: no one else is even close, So I'm gonna go

562
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Speaker 3: back and maybe next year I could be the number

563
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Speaker 3: one pick.

564
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Speaker 1: In the draft. Or there's always really okay but that

565
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: doesn't happen.

566
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Speaker 3: Or there's always the Baker Mayfield, you know, Joe Burrow,

567
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: like out of nowhere player too.

568
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: So Joe Burrow being the exception. Generally those guys don't

569
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: fare well in the NFL. Those guys, it's generally generally

570
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: those guys are proven to be the flash in the

571
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: pan that they look like.

572
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: I guess so, although I think that if like Baker

573
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: came here that it would be.

574
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it would be the

575
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: same thing. But again the point being, remember how I

576
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: like we did this last year, it's a bad year

577
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: to need a quarterback. It's a bad bad Next year

578
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: is not a bad year to need a quarterback. So

579
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna need a quarterback, take care of it

580
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: next year. That's kind of I don't know if they

581
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: look at things like that. I don't know. It's really

582
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: easy for me, not having my livelihood on the line,

583
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: to sit here from ten thousand feet and say, here's

584
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty twenty four class, years twenty twenty five class.

585
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: I'd rather pick from twenty twenty four. But the area

586
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: is kind of an element of that that it all

587
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: lines up. You're deciding on the fifth year option, you

588
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: have a strong quarterback class. It's all right. If they

589
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: do want to move on in the offseason, the conditions

590
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: are perfect for them to do so.

591
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: It's also perfect to do so. And I'm not team move.

592
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: On and I'm not either. I'm not either, but I'm saying,

593
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna move on, to it, right.

594
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: And it's also the best time to trade him. Yep,

595
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: it's the best time to trade them because you still

596
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: have a full year of that the fourth and then

597
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: technically the fifth year option would then maybe be available

598
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: if you picked it up and you had two years

599
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: of team control for the team that's acquiring him, So

600
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: it's the best year to trade him as well.

601
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: I come back, but again, let me, I want to

602
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: hear it. I think he's I think they're gonna be fine.

603
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna prove enough that they should give

604
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: him a long term deal and like you said, build

605
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: a round him. Niners plan that kind of thing. But

606
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: I'd rather as much as I want them to stick

607
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones because I think he's the guy compared

608
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: to moving on if they are going to move on,

609
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: and want them to move on correctly.

610
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah and quickly, honestly. Oh yeah, there's no time.

611
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

612
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: I think that The big thing with with Mac is

613
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: what I keep coming back to with him is like,

614
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: all right, with an offense that has, for lack of

615
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: a better term, has its head screwed on properly right,

616
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: and and for an offense that's going to have an

617
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: OC that understands how to call plays and understands how

618
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: to sequence plays and game plan and install basic foundational

619
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: elements this time of year and all like all the

620
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: great things that Bill O'Brien we've talked about and that

621
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien brings to the table. All of that is

622
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: going to get Mac Jones back to like a baseline

623
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: level of performance that probably reflective of his rookie year.

624
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: He has to be better than that in my eyes

625
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: to be willing to commit to him long term.

626
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: And that has to be better. And what that comes

627
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: down to is how fast can he unlearn some of

628
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: the bad habits that were developed last year? And that's

629
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: the big question.

630
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: That I think is where you know, where my reluctance

631
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: or like my hesitation comes from is because unfortunately, even

632
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: though I thought he looked better in the spring, and

633
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: granted it's just OTA's and mini camp and non add

634
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: to practices and there were receivers out we should mention

635
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: that that, you know, he didn't always have his full

636
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: compliment of receivers out there. Even though it looked better.

637
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: Did it look great? Like did it look awesome?

638
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

639
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: Like did it look like they were lighting it up

640
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: out there with the passing game? Like I wasn't there.

641
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: Like I still think that there was some like just

642
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: hesitation in his game, you know what I mean, Like

643
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: just not that that confident like step your foot, you know,

644
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: put your foot in the in the door and rip

645
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: it in there. And and I think that still remains

646
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: to be seen if that's going to come along. And

647
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: I would also mention that handling pressure, you don't really

648
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Speaker 3: see that in a in a training camp or a

649
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Speaker 3: mini camp setting. Until the bullets are live, we won't know,

650
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: you know, I tell you he's in an actual NFL

651
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: game and he's playing. Is he better under pressure? Is

652
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: he more poised? Does he know where his answers are?

653
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: Does he know how to protect himself?

654
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Speaker 1: Like?

655
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Speaker 3: Those types of things I think are still a big

656
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: element of it too. So it's a big part of it.

657
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Speaker 1: But I just but again, it's it's not something we're

658
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: gonna like go out there in the spring and be like, oh, hey,

659
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: they you know Mac Jones is a guy or no,

660
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: he's not. We're not going to know till if we

661
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: know before December, that's alarming.

662
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Speaker 3: Right, So here's my question that we might know something

663
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Speaker 3: about a little bit sooner. We basically on this program.

664
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Speaker 3: I'll speak for you, you can correct me if you

665
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: don't feel this way, but we basically put to bed

666
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Speaker 3: a quarterback competition in the spring and kind of say

667
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: that that's not how it looked and that's not how

668
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: we feel it's going. Is there any world in your

669
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Speaker 3: mind where a month from nowhere we're talking about Bailey's Abbey,

670
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: not a month from now So you don't think that

671
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: this is at all going to be a camp storyline?

672
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Speaker 3: Is my point that I guess I'm trying.

673
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Speaker 1: To No, it would have to get unless like Mac

674
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Speaker 1: gets hurt. No, okay, you know if you want to

675
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: tell me in October, because again I still don't feel

676
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: great about the tackle position, and if Mac continues to

677
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: get sped up, you probably do need to get somebody

678
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 1: in there. But unless mackets right like the things we

679
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: need to judge him on, we can't judge him on

680
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Speaker 1: a camp So how can it become a conversationally? Is

681
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Bailey's appy just gonna be that good? I feel like

682
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: if he was actually that good, we and again I

683
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: don't think Bailey's Appy's bad, but if he was that good,

684
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: we would have seen it.

685
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't see it

686
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: happening either, and I just I keep coming back to

687
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: the same thing with Bailey z Appy and then we

688
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: can move on. Is just what is he better at

689
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: than mac Jones. Like, what can you say? So you

690
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: can maybe say that he showed more poise. I think

691
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: he did. I think he showed more poison.

692
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Speaker 1: Against two of the worst defenses in the league with

693
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Speaker 1: more extra blockers and more quarterbacks friendly. But my point

694
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Speaker 1: is I'm getting there.

695
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Speaker 3: My point with the poise thing is that he he

696
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: was not screwed up from the right, like that was

697
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: all he knew. That was the only coaching staff he knew.

698
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: That was the only system that he knew. So as

699
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Speaker 3: broken as it was, he wasn't going from Josh mcdaniels's

700
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: buttoned up offense to Matt Patricia's.

701
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Speaker 1: Off and that's he wasn't running the same offense Mac

702
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: Jones was running. He kind of was running Josh McDaniel's offense.

703
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Speaker 3: There is some differences too, that's fir.

704
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I think that that's a big reason why Bailey's

706
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: Appy looked more comfortable is because he didn't know any better.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you the one thing I legitimately think Bailey's

708
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Speaker 1: Appy does better than Mac Jones, and it is a

709
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: little bit of a problem for mac Jones, is something

710
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: he needs to work on this year when he's in

711
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: the pocket, he's a little loose with the football. He

712
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: got strips sacked a few times. Bailey's Appy keeps a

713
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: tight grip on the football. That's the one thing, and look,

714
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Speaker 1: that's something they'll look at, but one that's really fixable

715
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Speaker 1: for Mac. That's like a simple coaching point. And it's

716
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Speaker 1: not if you're flipping your starting quarterback, if you're giving

717
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: up on your first round pick because the other guy fumbles.

718
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Speaker 1: And I don't think Zach, I don't think Mac fumbles

719
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Speaker 1: a ton. Yeah, Like it's neutral with him. I just

720
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: think that's a part of the reason I had Bailey's

721
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Appy's at Patriots Heart when he was coming out is

722
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: I was like, he does not give the football away.

723
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Speaker 1: That's just a big plus in Bailey's Appy's checkbox.

724
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Speaker 3: So so I think the one thing that I will

725
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: say to give Bailey Bailey's Appy credit because I feel

726
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: like I'm always crapping all over him. Is what I

727
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: was trying to get out is I do think he

728
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: throws the ball to the sideline a little bit better

729
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Speaker 3: than Mac, like with a little bit more zip, a

730
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Speaker 3: little bit more anticipation, like if you're trying to hit

731
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Speaker 3: like a twelve yard out. Yeah, Like, who do you

732
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: want making that throw? Neither one of them have like cannons. Like,

733
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but if you're if you really

734
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: want to hit a twelve yard out for some reason,

735
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Speaker 3: like and if you're watching it in practice, I think

736
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Speaker 3: it's a better way to put it. Yeah, And they're

737
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Speaker 3: running the twelve yard out and warm ups and Matt

738
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Speaker 3: goes and then Bailey goes. I think that there's a

739
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Speaker 3: little bit more gas on Bailey's throw.

740
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Speaker 1: But I yeah, maybe a little bit. The rest of

741
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: you're not building your whole offense on that, and their offense,

742
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: especially like Bill Bryant doesn't throw to the sidelines. That's

743
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: not what his offense is all in the middle of

744
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: the field, So that doesn't really do a lot right now.

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: No, I don't disagree. I just I want to give

746
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Speaker 3: Bailey some a little bit.

747
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: Of oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I a little bit.

748
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Speaker 1: It's it's so annoying because you know this better than

749
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: any buddy. Before Bailey Zappy was a Patriot. I was

750
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Speaker 1: the president of the Bailey's Appe Band Club. Now now

751
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: apparently I hate him.

752
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a quick quick diversion on the Bailey Zappi.

753
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: It's related, but just a quick story. I guess I

754
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: should say. We were outside middle of the of the

755
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: freaking winter. It was like it was freezing. I remember

756
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: I was, I was, you know me, I'm I'm a

757
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: I'm a whimp, So I like bundle up like Canada

758
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: goose hat like the whole thing. We're standing outside, we're

759
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: waiting to go into practice, and Alex is telling me

760
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 3: how he's gonna like stay up till like ten o'clock

761
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 3: at night on Saturday night to watch this quarterback from

762
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Speaker 3: Western Kentucky named Bailey Zappi.

763
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Speaker 1: And the fact that I don't know who was breaking

764
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: every single the fact that.

765
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: I don't know who Bailey Zappi is is a is

766
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: a crime against humanity and and an nice guy is

767
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: breaking all sorts of records and how could I not know?

768
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: And how could I not want to watch and all

769
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: this stuff? And lo and behold he gets freaking drafted

770
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: by the Patriot.

771
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: It's like, remember who was it that tweeted that like

772
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: last year that in the NFL, now a quarterbacks either

773
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: top ten or he sucks. Yeah, and we're not allowed

774
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: to put anybody in the middle ground like Bailey's. Appy's

775
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: a fine backup quarterback if you need him to start

776
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: a couple of games. Yeah, he can start a couple

777
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: of games, and you could certainly do much worse like

778
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: he That's what and there's nothing wrong with that. Chase

779
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: McDaniels made more money than per passion tempt than anybody

780
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: in Chase daniel not mcdanie. Chase Daniels made more money

781
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: for pass tempt than anybody in NFL history. Yeah, that

782
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I want to give him the keys to

783
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: the franchise. But that also doesn't mean I think he's terrible.

784
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I just think he is what he is, all a

785
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: spade a space.

786
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to running backs. That's a good,

787
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: good rant on the quarterbacks there, So running backs, I did, Oh,

788
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: I didn't do it on this. You have something else

789
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 3: coming out where we have like locks and bubbles and whatever.

790
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: I do that at the so I do like a

791
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: last three on last year.

792
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did that, but I never mind. So the

793
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: way I feel currently about the running backs is that

794
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: I have four running backs on the roster. They typically

795
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: keep four, yep, that's typically their number coming out of

796
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: camp and remondro Stevenson, Time Montgomery, Pierres Strong, and Kevin

797
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: Harris are the four guys. Obviously, I cannot envision the

798
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 3: scenario aside from Dalvin Cook being a Patriot, where those

799
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: four guys aren't on this team, Like, how do they're

800
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: not gonna carry less than four running backs? There's no

801
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: JJ Taylor, no offense to j J. Taylor is not

802
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: pushing the envelope.

803
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: Then he's had three he's had three years to do

804
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: it and he hasn't done it.

805
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: So in my mind, it's like impossible, Like how how

806
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: are they not viewed currently without with the caveat that

807
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: there's nobody coming in from the outside, how do you

808
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: view that those four guys as anything butt locks like.

809
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: They So I wonder if they could get Kevin Harris

810
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: to the practice squad and promote him because, like you said,

811
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: they kept they kept four initially last year. Remember they

812
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: went into games with only two healthy running backs, like

813
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: totally just this is what we're gonna do. So if

814
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: they can get Kevin Harris to the practice squad, that

815
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: like he'll be here and he'll play in games, and

816
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: he would be it's what they did with him last year.

817
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: Remember they released him initially last year and then they

818
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: signed him back off the practice squad.

819
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Speaker 3: So I don't necessarily disagree with you, but with that position,

820
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: there are injuries in camp every year, and I do

821
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 3: wonder if he's one of those two guys that puts

822
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: up like one hundred and fifty yards in the third preseason.

823
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: That's what he did last year. But that's what he

824
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: did last year. And then Tom Montgomery got hurt and

825
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: he went on IR and they signed him. And because

826
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: you have you know, the three week thing, you can

827
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: return or whatever it is, now six weeks, I have

828
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Speaker 1: Kevin Harrison. I think they keep all four, but it

829
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: would not be the most surprising. I think I had

830
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: let me scroll the bottom here because I wrote this

831
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Speaker 1: like a month ago. I think I had Harris as

832
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: one of my last I had him as like the

833
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: fifth to last guy on so so you have him

834
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Speaker 1: as a bubble guy, but not like right on the bubble,

835
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: but like bubble adjacent. Yeah, okay, And the other thing

836
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: is too to strengthen your argument, and I wrote about

837
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: this again. You can find this on ninety and five

838
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: the Sports up dot Com. I would is time of

839
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna play more receiver this year because if the

840
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: plan is for him to be used more in that regard, well,

841
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: now you kind of have to keep Harris.

842
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: Because he needs the early down work.

843
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: Well, not just that, if timin Cover is a receiver,

844
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: you're down to two backs and one of them is

845
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: a guy. That's not that Harris is super proven either,

846
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: but you're down to two backs and one of them

847
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: is played in like two NFL games. That's when you

848
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: start talking about that. To Mario Douglas, spot on the

849
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: roster I think as being more of a bubble spot.

850
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think they keep four. But I'm not

851
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: as sold on Harris being like a true lock as

852
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: you are.

853
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: Okay, I just I don't know how they go into

854
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: the season without the depth. Now, maybe you're right, maybe

855
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: they can snink him onto the practice squad and that's

856
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: how they feel.

857
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: But I just feel'll be here, like I don't get.

858
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: At it in my opinion. But I also would say

859
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: that it's also kind of role specific, Like they have Remandre,

860
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: we know that they have Montgomery and pires strong to

861
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: beast kind of the scap back receiving back, third down

862
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 3: back role, but who's it's like the backup, Like, who's

863
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 3: the first and second down guy besides Ormandre? Right now?

864
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Is it Pierre Strong? It's probably Pierre Strong, But even.

865
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: Is that like what he's built for and what they

866
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: want him to do, and like, you know if.

867
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: They use him, right, it is. I it's just more

868
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: in the the practic squad elevations have kind of screwed

869
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: up doing roster projections, like cause it's it's so arbitrary

870
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: the way we do these, because we're trying to guess

871
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: the initial fifty three. Yeah, let's say we get something

872
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: like last year where somebody gets hurt in camp, right,

873
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: or I'll just use I would think he's going to

874
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: be ready for the season, but I just know off

875
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: the top of my head he's hurt. Let's say again,

876
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is gonna happen. By all accounts,

877
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: he's fine. But let's say Juju has to open the

878
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: season on pup. Yeah, you get him on the initial

879
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: fifty three or no, you don't have to.

880
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: I know what you're trying to say.

881
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to make up a player getting hurt.

882
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: But like, let's say a player gets hurt right on

883
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: the initial fifty three, I are Kevin Harris back from

884
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: the practe squad week one? He doesn't. Even though you

885
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: cut him, he's still on the week one roster. So

886
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: that's where like this, I hate these because I go

887
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: for the initial fifty three. There's fluidity to it, right, right,

888
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying Kevin Harris won't be here, and

889
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I've said state I want to

890
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: see hi add another back doesn't have to be Dalvin Cooke.

891
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: We've talked about Leonard Fournette and Ezekiel Elliott and Reggie

892
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Corban and all those guys. Shout out to the the

893
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: two time USFL champion Birmingham Stallions. Then they got a

894
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: couple of Patriots, Jamar Smith former Patriots Smith Smith. Yeah,

895
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: so he was the MVP of the game last year.

896
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: This year was hurt, so we didn't plays. Alex Magoo

897
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: took over as the quarterbacks really good. But anyway, the

898
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: point Kevin Harris will be here, Yeah, I just don't

899
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: know that he's on that technical like initial fifty three

900
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: man ross Right.

901
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: So here's my other thing, quickly with the running backs,

902
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook, yes or no? Do you think there's any

903
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: real there's smoke to it. I don't know if there's fire,

904
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: but there's smoke.

905
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean this is this is where you know,

906
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: what is not to get all philosophical and stuff, right,

907
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: but what is interest? Is it?

908
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: Hey, there is legitimate mutual interest between both parties, but

909
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: I think that it's the typical Patriots thing and if

910
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: the player is not dying to play for New England

911
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 3: because of it, and it's the would we take Dalvin

912
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: Cook at our number? Of course we would take Dalvin

913
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: Cook at our number. Every team would take Dalvin Cook

914
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: at their number. Right, But that's it' that's all.

915
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing. By the way, other Patriots on the

916
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: Birmingham Stallions Scooby right, okay, and uh not not a

917
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: former Patriots but Patriot adjacent Thad Moss. Oh so there. Yeah.

918
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: I think it's hey, yeah, you know, Dalvin Cook's a

919
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: good player, right. I think they're kind of saying, hey,

920
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: if you want to come here and play for like

921
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: two million bucks, yeah, we're not gonna say no to that.

922
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: But no, five six million isn't happening. So it's I

923
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: think they're interested in the sense that they take them.

924
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: They're not going to just close the door on him

925
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: and say sorry, we're not interested. But I don't think

926
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: they're going to overextend themselves to go out and get him,

927
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: nor should they. That's Hopkins. Hopkins is the guy they

928
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: need to do that for. If they end up chasing

929
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Cook in putting the money in a cook that they're

930
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: now no longer in the running for Hopkins, I would

931
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: call that mistake. I'd call that a mistake.

932
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: So the last thing I'll say about the running backs

933
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: that I think is cool about Bill O'Brien's offense is

934
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: I think a guy like Time Montgomery, and I hope

935
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: that Pierre Strong becomes this guy eventually as he learns

936
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 3: the NFL game and the offense and becomes a little

937
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: bit more of an explosive version of what I'm about

938
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: to outline. But Bill O'Brien does a really good job

939
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: of like moving running backs around to change up formations.

940
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 3: So you can put like twelve or eleven personnel out

941
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: on the field and you can be empty out of that,

942
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: or you can be like under center power right, like

943
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: you can do both those things in this system. I

944
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: think that they really are super high on Toime Montgomery's versatility.

945
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be somebody that they are.

946
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: Basically you mentioned him playing more receiver, and this is

947
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: just sort of what jog this in my brain. I

948
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: think that they're going to use him as both, right,

949
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: like where there's gonna be times where they're gonna go

950
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: five wide and they're going to put him out at

951
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: a receiver spot, and then they're probably going to motion

952
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 3: them back into the backfield sometimes and create matchups that way, right,

953
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: and also indicators, right like if a linebacker matches him

954
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: when he motions out, you know it's probably man coverage.

955
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 3: If they just bump over, you know, it's probably zone coverage.

956
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: Like those types of things too. So I think you're

957
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: gonna see a lot of that sort of flexibility and

958
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: versatility be used to an advantage with a guy like

959
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: Time Montgomery. I'm still this position still gives me a

960
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: little bit of pause. I still think that they need

961
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: another body there another and I say another body, I

962
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: don't even Reggie Corbin like. And I also don't necessarily

963
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: mean it needs to be Dalvin Cook either, Like there's

964
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: a middle ground that also Ben Snell that could potentially

965
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: short Betty Snell that could also potentially exist there. But

966
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 3: I do think that they would benefit from having one

967
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: more guy in camp. That's a fifth running back that

968
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: has a chance to make the roster, not a J. J. Taylor,

969
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: like a legitimate NFL rosterable back. All right, let's do

970
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: wide receivers. Obviously, this is a highly highly talked about position.

971
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 3: But as things currently stay and based off of NOE

972
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: like operating on the presumption that DeAndre Hopkins is not

973
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 3: going to be here because he's not currently on the team,

974
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: I have five wide receivers making the team. They are

975
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: Juju Taekwon Thornton, Devonte Parker, Kendrick Bourne, and currently I

976
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: have de Mario Douglas. But I really think that that

977
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: fifth wildcard fifth receiver spot is a complete in total

978
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: wildcard that is way too early to call, right. This

979
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 3: is like, this is going to come down to training

980
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: camp and who pops in camp, who has a good preseason,

981
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: who has a good joint practices in those back to

982
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: back weeks. So I think the fifth receiver spot is

983
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: still way too early to tell an extremely wide open

984
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 3: But again, similar to how I mentioned with the four

985
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: running backs, if DeAndre Hopkins isn't here, those four receivers

986
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: are going to be on this football team. The top

987
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: four that.

988
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned, and it could be one of those things

989
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: we talked about and I'm the same group as you. Yeah,

990
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: we talk about that fifth wide receiver spot. Does it

991
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: even exist? We did this last year with Trey Nixon

992
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: and little Shorgan Humphrey and Christian Wilkerson and it was

993
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: this intense battle all the way down the last day

994
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: and then they all got cut. Yeah, none of them

995
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: made the team. With Mike ASICKI with Time Montgomery, who

996
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: can both contribute as wide receivers, like I couldn't see

997
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: them doing that again too. I think there's a role

998
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: for Douglas that's what's exciting, and we've talked about that

999
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: about him filling in that Marcus Jones role so they

1000
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: can use that package more often. But we don't even

1001
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: know if that role exists to begin with. Like you said,

1002
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: that's going to be a fascinating storyline all throughout camp. Yeah,

1003
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: the top four of the top four, that's well established,

1004
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: assuming everybody's healthy, and then it's Douglas, Booty ed Lee,

1005
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: Trey Nixon. Can anybody earn that fifth spot and I

1006
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: think prove to the team that it's worth keeping a

1007
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: fifth player at to position outright.

1008
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: So the one reason why I agree with that totally,

1009
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 3: But the one reason why I really am thinking and

1010
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: leading Tomorrow Douglas just early, like it was we both

1011
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: had Tomorrow Douglas on for the time being. Doesn't it

1012
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 3: feel like they really kind of need that shifty slot receiver,

1013
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: like not the power slot, not the Juju slot receiver,

1014
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: but like that true, I know he's not quite that,

1015
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: but like the Welkers, right, like the Welker, the Battleman's.

1016
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: Like I still fifty. I still think in this.

1017
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: Offense, quickness is in the inside of the formation is key.

1018
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: Like I still think they need somebody that's like that.

1019
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: They don't really have that guy in this room if

1020
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: it's not Tamarrow Douglas, Like, I don't really know who

1021
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: else fits that mold and I.

1022
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean Edi does, but he's he's not so far away.

1023
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's worth that.

1024
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: And I mentioned the coaching clinic thing and and stuff

1025
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: like I mentioned Kiki Katou.

1026
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was all ok. I haven't thought about

1027
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: him as well. I was a fan of his game

1028
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: when he came out Texas Tech.

1029
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: The fact that he played like meaningful snaps just tells

1030
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 3: you how much Bill O'Brien cares about quickness.

1031
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: He was Pat Mahomes guy at Texas Tech.

1032
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: Like they they they need some quickness out of this

1033
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: group right now. This group is about eventually outside of Taekwon,

1034
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 3: he's got the straight line speed. But Juju and DeVante

1035
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: Parker the other guys that are gonna play a ton

1036
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: and those guys are power guy Like they're bullies. You know,

1037
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: they're gonna win with size and power and strength at

1038
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: the catch point and things like that. They're not gonna

1039
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: get open on a dime. You know, they're not gonna

1040
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: gonna shake a linebacker on a juke rowd or run

1041
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: away over the middle on a little in cut like

1042
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: that's not their game. So I I do think that

1043
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 3: they would like to develop Damara Douglas.

1044
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: How did you pronounce it again? QT? So it's not

1045
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: it's QT. Even that guy played some he's not bad.

1046
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're dumping on I'm not not

1047
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: a bad player. I'm not dumping on him.

1048
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like it doesn't have to be Wes Welker, like,

1049
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: you know, like we don't have to talk about stars like.

1050
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: Well, he's he's not available, He's on the Saints.

1051
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: So anyways, I still think that that favors tomorow Douglas.

1052
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: I got this question a lot to push back a

1053
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: little bit of like what happens with Booty?

1054
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: Right?

1055
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: I think that everybody's still not everybody. There's still a

1056
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: big group of Patriots.

1057
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: Veris what sad? What happens with Oh?

1058
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, I was still talking about, So what

1059
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: happens with Kaishan Boody? You say red shirt? Is he

1060
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: the type of guy that is there a path for him?

1061
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: Like with the true Patriot red shirt of the Foxborough

1062
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: flu and him ending up on injured reserve in August

1063
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: and not being eligible to make the initial fifty three

1064
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 3: man roster and even play this year and like having

1065
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 3: that work out in the long run, because my fear

1066
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: with the player like that is like if he's not

1067
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: involved and he's not in the program, that the things

1068
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: outside of football are gonna pull on him. You know

1069
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say, Like, I don't his character

1070
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: concerns me?

1071
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want him busy, you want him locked in

1072
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: and all of that. I I mean, is he healthy? Yeah,

1073
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: he could be locked in on rehabbing. He he said

1074
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: he'd a broken right It reminded me from my sitting

1075
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: a broken ankle at the but it was broken at

1076
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: the combine.

1077
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 3: He said that it was still a problem at the combine,

1078
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: still coming back from it.

1079
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: So that's I mean, that's a long that's not an

1080
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: easy recovery.

1081
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 3: I mean, if you remember, and that was a really

1082
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: bad injury.

1083
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if it's I mean, he's still gonna be

1084
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: focused on like rehab and stuff. And the guy's a

1085
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: lottery ticket. We'll call it. Is guy's a lottery take.

1086
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: We knew that that's why he went in the sixth round.

1087
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: That he was at one point considered the top wide

1088
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: receiver in a class that that included Jackson, Smith and Jig.

1089
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: But he was considered the most talented player in that class.

1090
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: You see the flashes on tape. So there's a reason

1091
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: the Patriots got him when they did. I think it's

1092
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: not an invalid concern. I would say, the what's the

1093
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: alternative cutting him out right, just giving up on him

1094
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: without even finding out, or just keeping the roster, keeping

1095
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: him on the roster for what I.

1096
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: Guess, No, I guess the alternative would be hoping that

1097
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 3: he gets back to the.

1098
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: Practice I don't see. So here's the thing. I don't

1099
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: think you're getting into the practice squad because he's gonna

1100
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: go off and he's gonna be really good in the

1101
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: preseason if he's healthy, right, But if he's not healthy,

1102
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: then you're just putting him. So you just want to

1103
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: keep him on the practe squad, but on ir basically

1104
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: keep on the practice squad hurt.

1105
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: But the thing is, if he's on the practice squad,

1106
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 3: then if he gets healthy and he looks good in practice,

1107
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: is at least still eligible to play and.

1108
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: Game I get. I guess. Yeah, it's a weird situation.

1109
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: It's a weird it's a different one and I.

1110
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: And it's funny because you talk about that quickness like

1111
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: he's he could kind of be in that role.

1112
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a little bit of that. I think

1113
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 3: he's still like more exkews towards like the juju Kendrick

1114
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 3: Bourne inside receiver than he does.

1115
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: He's got I think a little more wiggle than those guys.

1116
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: He's got some. He's got more wiggle than than Smith Schuster. Yeah,

1117
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't know about Bourne. I think Bourne's kind of

1118
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: a comparable player. It's interesting.

1119
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: It's a it's a tough one, but this is I'm

1120
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: trying not to do it again, Alex, I'm not. I'm

1121
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: trying not to pull a Maurice Harris, right like, Yeah,

1122
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give the guy a chance to show me

1123
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 3: something in camp and obviously wasn't there in the spring.

1124
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: But maybe he's a different guy in a couple of

1125
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: weeks and he looks like a different guy. I hope

1126
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: so for their sake, because that that would obviously benefit

1127
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: the team. But yeah, I think that's are at in

1128
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: Malie Cunningham.

1129
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: No. I mean, he'll be here. He's gonna be on

1130
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: the practice squads, team quarterback, all that, and they'll see

1131
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: what they can do with him as a wide receiver.

1132
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think he plays this year.

1133
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, all right, let's move on to tight ends.

1134
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: I think the interesting thing about the tight ends we

1135
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: know Hunter, Henry and Mike is SICKI are going to

1136
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: be here. I do think this is a huge, huge

1137
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 3: tipping point for the team that if this duo is better,

1138
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 3: it should be better than the John hu Smith Hunter

1139
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: Henry duo anyways, but if it's actually good, it really

1140
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: changes a lot, you know what I mean in terms

1141
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: of their outlook offensively, But the bigger question room a

1142
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: roster standpoint is do they carry a third tight end?

1143
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: Now?

1144
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: Two years ago, the first year of the Henry john

1145
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: Hu duo, they had a full back, they had Jakub Johnson. Yeah,

1146
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 3: so they had two tight ends and a full back.

1147
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: Last year they just had two tight ends, no full back,

1148
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: just John new Smith and Hunter Henry. So there's a

1149
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: little bit of precedent for them carrying only two tight ends.

1150
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: I initially only have two tight ends on the roster

1151
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: right now, and I'm saying tight ends a lot because

1152
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: if I don't know, if I feel like Ferksker, Washington,

1153
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: Lumpkin socle that group, I don't know if I feel

1154
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: like any of that group needs to be on the

1155
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: fifty three, I think you are gonna get at least one,

1156
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 3: probably more than one guy back on the practice squad

1157
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: if you want him there, and I'm not sure that

1158
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 3: you need to protect him on the initial roster. So

1159
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: that's why I currently only have two.

1160
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you on this one, and I got a

1161
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: lot of crap when I post this. How can you

1162
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: only keep two tight ends? If they're gonna be two

1163
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: tight end heavy. You need backups. That's and this is where,

1164
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: like I said before, the whole practice squad elevation thing

1165
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: kind of screws with right, the whole big idea of

1166
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: roster rejection, because yep, five years ago, we would have

1167
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: had to keep it third tight end. We would have

1168
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: been handcuffed. I talk about the positional minimums all the

1169
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: time and the at large roster spots. You lose one year,

1170
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: you'd have to keep three tight ends. They can get

1171
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: away with two because let's say you get Lumpkin, Sol

1172
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: Coole and Ferks, or let's say you get those three

1173
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. I don't think it's unrealistic for

1174
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: them to keep three tight ends on a They changed

1175
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: the number every year. Sixteen sixteen man practic quad. Not

1176
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: unrealistic at all. Lumpkin, Ferks and so Cool. Yeah, each

1177
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: of those guys can be elevated twice. You're now at

1178
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: six weeks, you're not well into the season, and you've

1179
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: had three tight ends.

1180
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: If somebody gets hurt, if.

1181
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: Somebody gets hurt, you sign somebody to the roster. So no,

1182
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: they are very much good. I think just keeping the

1183
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: two and letting the cards fall where they may.

1184
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: From there, I would also mention that if one of

1185
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 3: Kasiki or Hunter Henry, and hopefully they don't, but if

1186
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: one of them do get hurt, then they just won't

1187
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: be a twelve personnel team.

1188
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: Right, And this is what we've talked about, where they

1189
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: do have the wide receiver depth or they don't need

1190
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: to kind of they don't. They'll be okay, They'll be

1191
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: okay if they go from twelve to eleven.

1192
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 3: So anyways, the other conversation about the tight ends just

1193
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 3: quickly is about how exactly what kind of skill set

1194
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: do they really want out of a third tight end,

1195
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: Like if we're gonna talk about a third tight end

1196
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: actually pushing for a roster spot here and making it

1197
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: so that they should have a roster spot for this guy,

1198
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 3: they kind of have some different body types and different

1199
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: skill sets out of the back up here. So Ferksker

1200
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 3: is like that that h back move tight end type

1201
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 3: of detached wing piece, right, Like, he's not a guy

1202
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 3: that's gonna be an inline guy too much, but he

1203
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: can move around, he can play outside, you know, detached

1204
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: from in the slot or may probably not out why

1205
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 3: I'd say more in the slotter and maybe a little

1206
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: bit in the backfield right and in sort of like

1207
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: an h back full back style world. So they have

1208
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 3: that that type of guy, the one guy. And you've

1209
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 3: kind of talked me into this a little bit. Yeah,

1210
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 3: is Johnny Lumpkin?

1211
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, who looks like a tackle literally, the big guy, big,

1212
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: big dude, big guy, fills out a jersey, looks at

1213
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: it looks like a tackle in a sixties jersey out

1214
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: of practice in the spring.

1215
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: So if that's.

1216
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: My main point.

1217
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 3: Is is like, what what kind of guy do they

1218
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: want in that spot? And I'm starting to like sway

1219
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: a little bit towards Johnny Lumpkin honestly, because Kazicky and

1220
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry are not impact blockers. They're not impact in

1221
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: the line blockers. And ideally, honestly, I don't think you'd

1222
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 3: want to use Gasiki at all as an inline guy.

1223
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: I don't think that's really what you want him here

1224
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 3: at all doing. So it's not so much that you're

1225
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: going to put Lumpkin in the game a ton, but

1226
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: I do think that there's gonna be certain game plans

1227
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: where first down is going to be a rundown for

1228
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 3: this team, and maybe he is in a game plan

1229
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: where he plays ten to fifteen snaps on first down

1230
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: because they are going to run the football, you are

1231
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: going to have to have a blocking tight end for

1232
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: short yardage. You are going to have to have a

1233
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: blocking tight end on the goal line, like those types

1234
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 3: of situations, and I think that Johnny Lumpkin can be

1235
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 3: that guy. He's just gonna be a blocker, but he's

1236
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: gonna hold up his end of the bargain in that department.

1237
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: And with the type of tight ends that they have

1238
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: at the top of the depth chart, that could be

1239
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: a really useful player situationally, And if anybody's going to

1240
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: make a push for it, I think it might be

1241
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: Lumpkin simply because there's a game day role for Johnny Lumpkin,

1242
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 3: like you can project that inline blocking role having an

1243
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 3: an active roster spot on Sunday.

1244
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: He also played some special teams at Louisiana, so he

1245
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: can you know, contribute there as well. And yeah, I

1246
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: think if there is a third tight end, I think

1247
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: it's Lumpkin. But again, right now, they're in a situation

1248
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: where they should He's not a guy that's gonna light

1249
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: up preseason, right so they should be able to him

1250
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: the practice squad and go from there.

1251
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so last one here, offensive line. This is a

1252
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: big one. This is a big one I currently and

1253
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: I know they're not going to carry ten offensive linemen

1254
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: on the roster, but I have these ten guys as

1255
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: guys that I think can really have a chance and

1256
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: to make the team, and are basically seven or eight

1257
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 3: of them I think are pretty much locked. So Trent Brown,

1258
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: Cole Strange, David Andrews, Mike on Winnu, Riley Reef, Calvin Anderson,

1259
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: Connor McDermott, and the three rookies, City Sow, Antonio Maffi,

1260
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 3: Jake Andrews. So my guess is they get this down

1261
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: to eight or nine, most likely it will probably be

1262
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: a decision that's made for them with an injury. Yeah,

1263
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 3: and one guy ends up on the old Foxborough flu path,

1264
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 3: one of the rookies, And then I wonder how many

1265
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 3: of these tackles are they truly going to keep, because

1266
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: you are in a position where, yeah, you want the depth,

1267
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: the eye, you want the options in case it goes awry,

1268
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: But you're talking about keeping McDermott, Brown, Reef, Anderson, and

1269
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: then maybe a guy like City saw who can kind

1270
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 3: of play both spots, both tackle and guard. It's a

1271
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: lot of bodies for one spot to carry basically five

1272
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: guys that play that one position. So maybe this gets

1273
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: solved for them with injuries. Unfortunately, as we know how

1274
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 3: these things go. Ye, But those are the ten guys

1275
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: I think that have a really good chance to make

1276
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: the team. You know, Cody RUSSI maybe I just don't

1277
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: really see why they need to make a you know,

1278
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: put a backup center on the roster. I don't really

1279
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: think he's gonna play much guard.

1280
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: He's practice squad guy es I. So the one thing

1281
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: I toyted so I had this on my post draft

1282
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: roster projection going into the spring. I had them hutting

1283
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: Connor McDermott and bringing him back after somebody's put on IR.

1284
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: I think McDermott is a guy you could do that

1285
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: with it maybe a little harder, but you could also

1286
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: do it with Calvin Anderson. Yeah, so those are two

1287
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: guys again, it's that weird thing. Are they on the

1288
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: initial fifty three? Maybe not, they'll be here, but McDermott

1289
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: one year deal that that one's super easy.

1290
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 3: You cut him McDermott, I think is cutable. I think

1291
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 3: Reef and Anderson are everybody's cuttable out of this group.

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: Reef has a lot of guaranteed money. That's a tough one.

1293
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: Anderson and Reef's contracts suggest that they're probably.

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: I remember I looked at some months ago Anderson's like,

1295
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: it's not wouldn't be ideal, but it's also not unrealistic. Yeah,

1296
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: given the money. McDermott's the easy one. McDermott, you cut him,

1297
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: you make the other moves need to make, you bring

1298
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: him back? Easy done. I could see that with him.

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00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: I think they'd rather keep him obviously, but they're gonna

1300
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: have This is what teams do now. They get creative

1301
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: to maximize the fifty three spots between IR and the

1302
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: practice squad and this and that.

1303
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 3: So the one thing that I wanted to say about

1304
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 3: the offensive line, along with just all this roster shuffling,

1305
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: how how do you feel about Mike on whe who

1306
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: playing right tackle?

1307
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: Like? Where are you on that? I've been on that

1308
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: train since they moved him out there the first time. Yeah,

1309
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: I think he's look is he a better guard than tackle? Yes?

1310
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: But I think minimally and when you factor in the

1311
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: positional value, and then you look at where their roster's

1312
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: at right now. They have a ton of candidates for

1313
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: right guard. I'm not gonna get too excited about Antonio

1314
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: Maffi because we've only seen him in non padded practices,

1315
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: but Mafi's a guy who could potentially do it. City

1316
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: Sal's a guy who could potentially do it. James Ferrence,

1317
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: Chasing Hines, like, they have options there, not all, none

1318
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: of them are gonna be all pros, but they have

1319
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: options there which they don't have a tackle on when

1320
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: who's better out there? And the reality is, I don't

1321
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: think they're bringing on one who back one way or

1322
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: the other. So the whole thing about, well, you're moving

1323
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: them out there, and then you're gonna have to pay

1324
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: him more to sign them, not necessarily if they've come

1325
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: to terms with the fact that he's not going to

1326
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: be here long term, then who cares.

1327
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's it's not only better for

1328
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: the player, because I think for him then he could

1329
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: go to market as a right now.

1330
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd love it. I'm sure he if they

1331
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: asked them about it, he'd be thrilled to do it.

1332
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Speaker 3: And I also think that this is an old like Scarnakianism,

1333
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: is that it's about your best five, right, Like it's

1334
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: about finding the best five.

1335
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: Right, and their best five is Trent Brown, Cole Strange,

1336
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: David Andrews, Mike and Mike Goner. Those are their best four, right.

1337
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: The fit It kind of falls off after that, but

1338
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: it at least gives you more flexibility of you finding

1339
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: that fifth person if you feel like that.

1340
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: Antonio Maffi just to because I think he's the current

1341
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 3: guy that would have the insight track to make this work.

1342
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: Antonio Maffi is a better guard than Riley.

1343
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: Reef is a right tackle at this point, Yes, then

1344
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? So to me, what this

1345
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: is gonna come down to, and this is where it

1346
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: gets tough, is they said last year, we don't want

1347
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: to screw around with the win. We don't want to

1348
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: screw around with his development. He's a guard or developing

1349
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: mcguard period and a story. And they they were this

1350
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: closeive and they were minutes away from James Ference starting

1351
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: at left tackle against Von Miller, remember that, And ultimately

1352
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,959
Speaker 1: Trent Brown he was sick, he pulled through, he didn't

1353
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: come out for worms came out for the game. It

1354
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: didn't happen, but they were that determined they were gonna

1355
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: put James Ference out there against von Miller rather than

1356
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: move Mike on went who out to tackle. So it

1357
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: was not happening last year. If it wasn't happening under

1358
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: that circumstance, it was never happening. They might have put

1359
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: a tight end out there, They might have gone out

1360
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: there with four a lignemen before they put Mike Go

1361
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: and Winnu a tackle, And to an extent, I do

1362
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: get that when they were moving him all over the

1363
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: place in twenty twenty twenty one, right, I remember saying

1364
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: you've got to pick a position for him long term

1365
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: and let him develop there. Now, I think that position

1366
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 1: should be tackle because it's a hard position to find.

1367
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: There's a shortage of tackles in the NFL. If you

1368
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: have a guy who's a capable tackle, put him there

1369
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: and let him play there, so I would develop him

1370
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: at tackle. They show guard. Now to get back to

1371
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: this year, whose decision was that? Was it Bill Belichick

1372
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: or was it Matt Patricia as either the offensive line,

1373
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: either as the offensive line coach or offensive course.

1374
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: Now I think that they viewed We all know they

1375
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 3: everybody did, holy crap, that thing is huge.

1376
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: There's a bug in here.

1377
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 3: They viewed Mike like the guard coming in, and he

1378
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 3: has a guard body type, like he's thick, he's he's burly,

1379
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 3: he's stouter, he's turnally, he's built like a guard, looks

1380
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 3: like a guard, walks like a guard. And I think

1381
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 3: that they always felt like the tackle thing was kind

1382
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 3: of out of nowhere for everybody, like including people in

1383
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: the organization, so they moved them back to his natural

1384
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: position in their eyes, and maybe that's the way that

1385
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: it ends up being. I just think two things. One,

1386
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 3: they have more solutions to me at guard than they

1387
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 3: do at tackle potentially. And secondly, I think that there's

1388
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 3: something to be said that it's easier to protect the

1389
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: guard than it is to protect the edge. It's easier

1390
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 3: to hide a guard. It just is, especially if you're sandwiching.

1391
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: Because there's guys on each side, right.

1392
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 3: And especially if you're sandwiching in between David Andrews and

1393
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 3: Mike on one who who might be your two best

1394
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 3: offensive linemen, right, So they'll they'll keep them, they'll keep

1395
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 3: the right guard afloat, just like they did with Cold

1396
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 3: Strange last year. And hopefully now that Cole Strange is

1397
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 3: going into year two, he doesn't need to be treated

1398
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 3: with kid gloves, right like, hopefully they can allow him

1399
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: to just kind of play his game. So I think

1400
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: that there's an element to that as well. All right,

1401
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 3: So I'm with on at guard, if at tackle, if

1402
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: they have to make that move, I'd rather watch them

1403
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 3: make that move than watch right tackle be a turnstile

1404
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 3: again all year and and figure it out with the

1405
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: rookies in the inside. That's how I feel. Connor mcdermoty quickly,

1406
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 3: Jack and and Abba emailing it. I don't think Connor

1407
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 3: McDermott is somebody that would go through waivers, right, I

1408
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 3: have zero ideas, so I can't I can't remember if

1409
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 3: it's how many years McDermott has like officially been in

1410
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 3: the league. But I don't think that he would be

1411
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 3: somebody that would need to pass through waivers. But I'd

1412
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: have to confirm that. But let's take a phone call.

1413
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 3: Then we'll move over to the defense side of the football.

1414
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: Noah is in Toronto. Thanks for waiting, Noah, what's going on?

1415
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I had to take on the tackle situation

1416
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 4: that I wanted to kind of get off my test.

1417
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 4: The first was just what I'm kind of confused by

1418
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: the Riley Reef contract, So I feel like it was

1419
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 4: kind of a lot of money. And there's two sort

1420
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 4: of younger tackles who I think played better last year

1421
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 4: that were out there and Cameron Swmming and Jermaine alumin

1422
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 4: Or that I kind of would have preferred they signed.

1423
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,479
Speaker 4: And then the second thing is just like, I feel

1424
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 4: like they've invested so little draft capital and tackle over

1425
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 4: the past few years. I guess depending on how you

1426
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 4: view the City Sow, but they haven't been drafted tackle

1427
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 4: in the fifth round or higher in the last fourth draft.

1428
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 4: And I think this year they had Dewan Jones sitting

1429
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 4: there in the fourth round and I really kind of

1430
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 4: feel like they took a shot they should have taken

1431
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 4: a shot at him. So I don't know. I guess

1432
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 4: it's all kind of in the past now. But those

1433
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 4: those are my takes on tackle.

1434
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: Thanks no, thanks for the call.

1435
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, Alex, we've been doing shows for a couple

1436
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 3: of years together now, I mean more than that. I

1437
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: don't even know how many years now, how many years

1438
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 3: have we talked about tackle.

1439
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: In the draft. Every single It.

1440
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 3: Seems like every single year they it is a position

1441
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 3: that they've more or less kicked down the can down

1442
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: the road. And you mentioned Dewan Jones. We both really

1443
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: like Dewan Jones. We both had Dewan Jones like as

1444
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 3: like a first and a first early second round player.

1445
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 3: I don't hold Dewan Jones against them quite yet, because

1446
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: clearly there was something going on with Dewan Jones, Like

1447
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 3: there was something going on in the league with Dewan

1448
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 3: Jones that made it he was not a fourth round

1449
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: tackle on film.

1450
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: He wasn't.

1451
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: So there was something going on behind the scenes that

1452
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 3: they didn't like about him, that other teams didn't like

1453
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: about him as well. So in the interest of fairness,

1454
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 3: the other thing I'll say about this tackle situation, because

1455
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: it is on paper they look like they're gonna have

1456
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: a weakness at tackle.

1457
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: They do.

1458
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 3: And I think the one thing that you have to

1459
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: hang your hat on if you're a Patriots fan hoping

1460
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 3: for the best, is that Bill O'Brien and Adrian Clem

1461
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 3: we'll figure it out. They'll coach it up, they'll coach

1462
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 3: around it. You know, there's ways obviously that we know

1463
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: that you can coach around having poor tackle play, you know,

1464
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 3: shorter passes, quicker releases, stepping up in the pocket, like

1465
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 3: all these other sort of things you know that they

1466
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: can do to work around it. So is it possible

1467
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 3: that they feel they can just kind of cover it up?

1468
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean it seems like that, right. Their actions kind

1469
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: of suggest that.

1470
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,959
Speaker 3: So I think that that's where they're at with it. Look,

1471
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: we can argue, or we can not even argue. We

1472
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 3: can agree and go back and forth on this a

1473
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: million times about how they went into the draft saying

1474
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: that they feel good about their tackle depth. All of

1475
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 3: us looked at their tackle depth and we're like, I

1476
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: don't know, and now we're gonna have to see who

1477
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 3: ends up being correct. Like that's how this all comes

1478
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 3: down to, right, So let's move over to defense, starting

1479
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: with the defensive line. So I have the defensive line,

1480
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 3: and I have your least favorite edge and linebacker all

1481
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:20,839
Speaker 3: his separate positions.

1482
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: Of course you do.

1483
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 3: So defensive line, I have seven guys. These are true

1484
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 3: like handing the dirt defensive lineman Christian Barmore. Yeah, I

1485
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 3: do have ke On White here, but I think.

1486
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: I have him with my defensive line too.

1487
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Christian Barmore, Kean White, Davon Godshaw, Dietrich Wise,

1488
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 3: Lawrence Guy, Carl Davis, Daniel Qualley. So off would be

1489
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 3: Sam Roberts, Jeremiah Farms, and Justice to five.

1490
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: All right, so we're on line so far because all

1491
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,959
Speaker 1: the players, I've none of those players and other positions.

1492
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't have Lawrence Guy.

1493
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 3: Though, so what I he's on the fence. He certainly isn't.

1494
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: Like what what do you think happens with Lawrence Guy?

1495
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 3: I think he retires.

1496
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: I think he retires. I just don't what is he

1497
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: holding out for? That's what I don't understand. He I

1498
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: was already on a relatively player friendly deal. He's thirty

1499
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: three years old. They just drafted a player with a

1500
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: similar like high with a similar skill set to his.

1501
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand where his leverage is in less hits.

1502
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: And we see players do this from time to time.

1503
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if I want to play next year.

1504
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: So let me see if I can get some more money. Like,

1505
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: let me see if I get some money he goes

1506
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: team Ye, I don't know if I want to be back,

1507
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: can you entice me to be back? I think people

1508
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: think of holdout as this malicious thing that's like a

1509
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: screw the team. I deserve more money. I'm great, And

1510
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not always that. Sometimes it's it can

1511
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: come from a so many different things. It's not always

1512
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: this animosity driven concept. And sometimes see players that say,

1513
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really want to play again. You know,

1514
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: if you gave me some more money, maybe that would

1515
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: change my mind. You don't set me up better for retirement,

1516
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: but for what you're paying me, I don't I want

1517
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: to go through another year of this and again. Lawrence

1518
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: Guy's thirty three, at a position that players generally retire

1519
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 1: in their early to mid thirties. I don't know anything.

1520
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: There's no inside information here. It's just like when I

1521
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: put it all together, that's kind of what I get.

1522
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: He's also not everything we know about him. He's not

1523
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that would sit there and say, well,

1524
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm now the thirty first I don't know

1525
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: what number he actually is, but call it. I'm now

1526
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: the thirty first highest paid defensive line in the NFL,

1527
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: and I should be twenty fifth. And until you write

1528
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: that wrong, like I'm not suiting up. It's not who

1529
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: he is Yeah. I think he's just trying to figure

1530
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: out whether or not he wants to play or not.

1531
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 3: So there has been some rumblings behind the scenes about

1532
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: Lawrence Guy dating back to last year in training camp

1533
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 3: last year, where there was some uncertainty there about how

1534
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 3: much he had left in the tank, how much he

1535
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 3: really wanted to play right and stuff like that. He

1536
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 3: ends up playing last year he was Lawrence Guy, you know,

1537
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 3: taking on blocks, holding the b gap like Lawrence Guy,

1538
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 3: a five technique four. I like that type of player.

1539
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 3: But at the same time, once you start thinking about it,

1540
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 3: once it starts creeping in, there was like some just

1541
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 3: general sort of I don't know what the word is,

1542
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: just he that wasn't sure how much he wanted it anymore.

1543
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: Like I think that that was going on already starting

1544
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 3: last week.

1545
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: A lot of players say this too, especially guys who

1546
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: play into their mid thirties, and they'll be, oh, and

1547
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's time retiring, just like you just kind

1548
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: of know you're sort of when you know, you know,

1549
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: and maybe that's maybe he's hit that point. So I

1550
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: just I don't see how he holds out, and like

1551
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: what resolves the holdout are the Patriots gonna give him

1552
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: more money they shouldn't, right, So, whether he retires, whether

1553
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: he gets cut, whether however it formally happens, that hold

1554
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: out to me is him basically saying I'm done with Patriots.

1555
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 3: Okay, So if Lawrence guy isn't in this mix for you,

1556
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 3: you only have six guys making it with Lawrence Guy

1557
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: not in the mix.

1558
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: Correct.

1559
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,799
Speaker 3: Do you think that that then opens up a spot

1560
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 3: for somebody to think a lot of other fans want

1561
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,480
Speaker 3: to see a little bit of Sam Roberts maybe.

1562
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: So I I went a little heavy at linebacker, so I.

1563
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 3: Just so I cut a linebacker and I.

1564
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 1: Moved it to the second level. I wished I pushed

1565
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: to the second level. So I cause, I mean, they

1566
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,520
Speaker 1: have all their bases covered. You've got Godshaw and Davis's

1567
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: nose tackles, You've got bar More in equality as kind

1568
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: of your athletic interior linemen. And then you've got Wise

1569
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: and White on the edge with their depth coming from

1570
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: the linebacker position. So I I I like, what's maybe

1571
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: another edge guy and I guess that would be Roberts.

1572
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: But I also feel like he's gonna have he's got

1573
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: to have a strong camp to make that happen. But

1574
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: it's also you know, like I had uh oh, no,

1575
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: I did have mine or mind. Yeah, you know, maybe

1576
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: some other edge guy steps up, but I think there's

1577
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: as much a chance that happens. You know, we could

1578
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: all say Ronnie Perkins, if he's gonna do the Yane

1579
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: Jennings think and have the third year be the year,

1580
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: I would say he has just as good of a

1581
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: chance as Sam Roberts. It's one of those things again

1582
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: where forget the players competing for the spot. Does the

1583
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: spot exist? We both had the fifth wide receiver on

1584
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 1: but as I said before, we all thought there was

1585
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: gonna be a fifth wide receiver last year, there wasn't.

1586
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: Maybe this is what happens. Maybe we think that it's

1587
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, Jamario Douglas, Kaishan Boody, Trey Nixon, ed Lee

1588
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: all competing for that last wide receiver spot, and then

1589
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: we get to cut down day and all of a sudden,

1590
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: they're keeping Ronnie Perkins, or they're keeping Sam Roberts with

1591
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: only four wide receivers like this would be the other

1592
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: side of that.

1593
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so let's move on to linebackers. I have

1594
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 3: it breaking up as edge and regular linebacker. I did

1595
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 3: edge slash outside linebacker for you, and to be a

1596
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 3: little bit.

1597
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,480
Speaker 1: I actually just have linebackers.

1598
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 3: So my outside linebackers because I I'll stop saying edge

1599
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 3: so you don't jump off the bridge. My outside linebackers

1600
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 3: are Matthew Judon, josh U j and I have to

1601
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 3: vie with the outside guys good. I do not have

1602
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 3: Anthony Jennings or Ronnie Perkins on this team right now.

1603
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: I Jennings was one of my last I think he

1604
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: was my last guy on second one.

1605
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 3: So Jennings is my is my first cut, last guy off, okay,

1606
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 3: four fifty fourth player. At some point in time, you

1607
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 3: do you have to actually do something on an NFL

1608
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 3: football field for me to call you an.

1609
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: NFL What is Jennings that he played a ton last year?

1610
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 3: He didn't play a ton. I am going to tell

1611
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 3: you this with all due respect. I have not noticed

1612
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 3: or a scene Ronnie Perkins do anything.

1613
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 1: Oh Jennings.

1614
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 3: I have Jennings too.

1615
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: Perkins hasn't done anything. I agree Jennings.

1616
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 3: Jennings I think exists like he's out there. I see

1617
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 3: him doing things on a football.

1618
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: Three hundred, three hundred and fifty snaps last year on

1619
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: special teams on defense three hundred and forty three snaps on.

1620
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 3: Defense last I don't even remember that happening.

1621
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: Defense, Ye, Anthony Jennings. And then a thirty eight percent

1622
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: rate on special teams.

1623
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 3: That's shocking to me. That tells you how like little

1624
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 3: he actually made an impact that I don't even remember

1625
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 3: him paying three hundred snaps last year. That's a ton

1626
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 3: Are you sure?

1627
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, pro footba Efferens. I'm looking at it right now.

1628
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 3: That's incredible, Like that's how little impact those guys have had,

1629
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 3: Like how long are we going to go on? Like

1630
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 3: just they like giving those guys roster spots, I guess

1631
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 3: is my point? Now, maybe I think Anthony Jennings ultimately

1632
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 3: will find they'll find a spot for Anthony Jennings on

1633
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 3: this team because they're gonna probably be a little bit

1634
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 3: more even or excuse me, odd front heavy, like they

1635
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 3: they're gonna play a decent amount and with two you know,

1636
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 3: stand up outside linebackers on the edge of the line.

1637
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 3: But the way I look at it is Julyny Tovai

1638
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 3: kind of crosses those those two positions, right, He's like

1639
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 3: a high right of those the off ball on ball position,

1640
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 3: so he's gonna lock some snaps on the line of scrimmage.

1641
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 3: And then I also think that Keon White could technically

1642
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 3: be listed as an outside linebacker just as easily as

1643
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: a defensive lineman. Yeah, so where does Anthroony Jennings actually

1644
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 3: play other than just being like a backup and so

1645
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 3: he's another edge guy if that. But if that's a

1646
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 3: spot that they need to like be a little bit

1647
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 3: thin to fit some other people on the roster, I

1648
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 3: wouldn't hate.

1649
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: Now.

1650
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 3: I think that ultimately I had ten offensive linemen on.

1651
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 3: I think that ultimately ends up being eight or nine,

1652
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 3: and Anthony Jennings ends up getting a spot once one

1653
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 3: of the rookies goes on IR on the offensive line

1654
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 3: or something like that. But I still haven't seen anything

1655
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 3: from Anthony Jennings in his playing time, and I haven't

1656
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 3: seen anything from Ronnie Perkins at all anywhere, practice, training camp, preseason, anything.

1657
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 3: So until one of those guys starts to actually like

1658
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,879
Speaker 3: show something to me, I'm gonna consider them like strongly

1659
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 3: on on a roster bubble. That's just where I'm at

1660
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 3: with them.

1661
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: So I'm just looking at my thing right now. Evan,

1662
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 1: you know I do the thing about at large roster spots, right, Yes,

1663
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: I have them currently with one, two, three, four, five, six,

1664
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 1: seventy nine at large rosters. Ten at large roster spots,

1665
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: so ten spots that can truly be won by the

1666
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: best player, regardless of position. I think Anthony Jennings fits

1667
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: into that bubble. I don't know exactly where, but I

1668
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: think he does.

1669
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 3: That's fair. I think you'll probably make the team. I

1670
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 3: just initially, I think it's mainly about Keon White, Like,

1671
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 3: Keon White's obviously going to be a huge part of

1672
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 3: what they're gonna do defensively, and he's gonna be an

1673
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 3: end of the line player. Like whether he's a hand

1674
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 3: in the dirt or he's standing up is really it's semantics, right,

1675
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't really matter. He's gonna be an end of

1676
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: the line player. So between him and judah On and

1677
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 3: Tavai like, that's your early down d edge players. And

1678
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,759
Speaker 3: then obviously is gonna come on the field in passing

1679
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 3: situations to rush the quarterback. So Afony Jennings is depth

1680
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 3: and Ronnie Perkins is even further down the line of depth.

1681
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 3: So do you Ronnie Perkins on or off?

1682
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: I have Ronnie Perkins off, I have Jennings on, So

1683
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: do do middle linebackers. I think I know where we

1684
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: differed on this.

1685
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 3: So middle linebackers, I have Juwan Bentley, I have Marty

1686
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 3: matt who with the linebackers, Mac Wilson, Chris Board and

1687
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 3: then I have Teresa hall Off. So I have those

1688
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 3: four guys.

1689
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't have them keeping mac Wilson interesting because well,

1690
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: your whole thing about how Anthony Jennings was never on

1691
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: the field, so they're not going to keep them. Mack

1692
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: Wilson was never on the field. They didn't play after

1693
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: like week nine.

1694
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, after he didn't put push Josh Allen out of

1695
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 3: Boundsy bench, right, So yeah, like I.

1696
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: So basically I that was my last decision when I

1697
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: was putting this together was Anthony Jennings mac Wilson, Who's

1698
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: getting that last spot? And I had mac Wilson on,

1699
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: and then I thought about it, and then I had

1700
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: Jennings on. I changed it, and I changed it. But

1701
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: what it came down to was mac Wilson did not

1702
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: play at the end of the year last year, and

1703
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: they had He's not gonna start. He's not gonna start.

1704
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: Martain mop who was in that role. Anthony Jennings played

1705
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: significantly last year, and.

1706
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 3: I think that's lest on how much Anthony Jennings I

1707
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 3: think because he literally did not make an impact on

1708
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 3: the field, and I.

1709
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: Think there's more of a need for his skill set

1710
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: than Wilson's skill set on this defense right now. So

1711
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: that was my tiebreaker. So I think the big thing

1712
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: it literally came down to the I don't know where

1713
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins came into this conversation. We both have him off. Yeah,

1714
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: that's it wasn't That's what it was to mean, was

1715
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: Jennings or mack Wilson.

1716
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 3: So the reason why I went with mac Wilson over

1717
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 3: Jennings is because one Ray Kwan McMillan's injury like basically

1718
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 3: leaves them very thin about with like experienced veteran linebackers.

1719
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 3: Like it's basically just Bentley and mac Wilson at this

1720
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 3: point unless you want to count Chris Board, which I

1721
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 3: I don't.

1722
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: I count Chris Board, and I also count Lonnie to Vie.

1723
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess that's fair, But I don't know how

1724
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 3: much off ball linebacker should they really want Jolannie to

1725
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 3: buy playing. I don't want Tom playing any off.

1726
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't either, but but he will.

1727
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 3: So the thing is is that that's what one thing

1728
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 3: is about the experience right behind Bentley right. The other

1729
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 3: thing is, Hey, how do they view Marty mattpoo? Is

1730
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 3: he a safety or is he a linebacker in their mind?

1731
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 3: And b how much are they going to really put

1732
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: on his plate in year one? Like we know he's

1733
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 3: he's got the potential to be a really good player

1734
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 3: for them, we can see it from the spring. But

1735
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 3: is that mean that they're going to put a rookie

1736
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 3: linebacker out there for fifty percent of the snaps?

1737
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 1: Right?

1738
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 3: So that that like more versatile, more athletic, I guess

1739
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 3: is a better word than versatile, the more athletic coverage

1740
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 3: style linebacker. That's a role in this defense. And until

1741
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 3: Marty Mapho's ready to wear the hat, then mac Wilson

1742
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 3: is like the best guy to fit that spot.

1743
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 1: But they don't play. So everything you just said is

1744
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 1: why I had him on initially. What if map who's

1745
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: not ready? Yeah, they're gonna clear they're clearly building this

1746
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: role into this defense. They need somebody there in case

1747
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: Marte Mapu can't go blah, blah blah, And I was like,

1748
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: but they had a chance to do that last year

1749
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: and they just didn't. Yeah, so that's that's again. I'm

1750
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 1: so I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm so fifty to

1751
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 1: fifty on that one. That was the hardest choice. That

1752
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: made Anthony Jennings mack Wilson. Which guy is it? But

1753
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: that's the hardest choice of all the stuff on the

1754
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: roster projection. Yeah, that was toughest one. Okay, what was

1755
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: tougher for you? The whole roster? Well, okay's right, I'm

1756
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: just messing. Go watch save you're worthy. I either way, Like,

1757
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: I could see it going either way. I just couldn't

1758
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: get past the fact that he didn't play the whole

1759
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: second half last season and then all of a sudden,

1760
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: now he's on the right. I think.

1761
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 3: I think if ray Kwon McMillan never gets hurt, then

1762
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 3: I could definitely see I would definitely feel more strongly

1763
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 3: about in your camp that MacWilson is not going to

1764
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 3: be on this team. I just don't know how you

1765
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 3: go into the year with basically the only linebacker that's

1766
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 3: played your mic position and played it at any sort

1767
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 3: of experience in the NFL, like anywhere being Joan Bentley,

1768
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: Like that's the only guy that they would have that

1769
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,560
Speaker 3: has any sort of serious NFL playing time, and to

1770
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 3: Vy and Toviy but and Chris Board. But Chris Board

1771
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 3: is playing on special teams and Devi's playing on the

1772
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. I digress.

1773
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just agreed it. We got to agree disagree

1774
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: at this point.

1775
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 3: Corners. So there's the obvious caveat before I read corners.

1776
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 3: Jack Jones is not suspended by the league. He's still

1777
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 3: in New England Patriot as far as three point thirty

1778
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 3: on July sixth goes. So I have him on. But

1779
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 3: legally we don't know, right don't. We don't know where

1780
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 3: this is heading. But just from a football standpoint, I

1781
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 3: have him on, Christian Gonzales, Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, Jack Jones,

1782
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 3: and then I have Miles Bryan on right now. And

1783
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 3: the reason why I have him on is because of

1784
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 3: Jack Jones. Like, if Jack Jones is not available to play,

1785
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 3: then they need to keep Miles Bryant, I think, But

1786
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 3: initially I actually had Isaiah Bolden over Miles Bryan. I

1787
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 3: do think that there's a world that if Jack Jones.

1788
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 3: Don't want to get too much into the legal stuff,

1789
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 3: but if Jack Jones somehow figures this this stuff out legally,

1790
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 3: that one of the rookie corners, a mere speeders Isaiah Bolden,

1791
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 3: could make the team over Miles Bryant. But until we

1792
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 3: have a real concrete answer of what the situation is

1793
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 3: with Jack Jones, I have to skew on the fact

1794
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 3: that he's probably not going to be available to play,

1795
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 3: and I think they have to go with the experience

1796
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 3: at that point.

1797
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat as you.

1798
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, they like Miles Bryant. They like

1799
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant, and for all the crap he gets, he's

1800
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: a very smart football players, a solid tackler. I think

1801
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: he's probably a safety. I wouldn't play him at corner,

1802
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: but he's so he's definitely not.

1803
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 3: What he's not is he's not a man coverage no player, right,

1804
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: He's not a man coverage defender, whether it's covering receivers,

1805
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 3: tight ends, whatever, like he can't. He's not a man

1806
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 3: coverage defender. I actually think he's a really good zone defender.

1807
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: I do.

1808
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 3: I think he's an above average zone dB, but they

1809
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 3: don't play They played their fair share zone, but they

1810
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 3: obviously play a lot of man. And if he's your

1811
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 3: slot corner playing man on slot receivers, we've seen that

1812
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 3: movie before, we know how it looks Ideally, Marcus Jones

1813
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 3: is that guy this year, right, So you're really talking

1814
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 3: about it's Jonathan Jones, right, But assuming that Jack Jones

1815
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 3: isn't available, it's gonna be Marcus Jones.

1816
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: And that would then allow.

1817
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 3: Miles Brian to really be like your fourth defensive back

1818
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 3: who is more of like a dime packaged type of guy,

1819
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 3: which is a better for him.

1820
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. He also, I mean he plays on special teams

1821
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: and all that I I I wrote. You know, could

1822
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: he get beat out by one of the athletic rookies

1823
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden and or a mere Speed. It's possible, But

1824
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: right now he can't not be the favorite for that

1825
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 1: last spot. Yeah, I agree.

1826
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 3: I just I keep coming back to it this because

1827
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 3: I really wanted to put one of the rookies on

1828
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 3: the roster. Of course I really wanted to, but I

1829
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 3: couldn't do it because of this, the significant amount of

1830
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 3: snaps and Miles Brian has played in this defense and

1831
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 3: if they don't don't have Jack Jones in the mix,

1832
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 3: then they really need the experience, I think at that spot,

1833
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 3: especially with basically a new look communication system now in

1834
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 3: the back end with Devin mccordy right gone, so they

1835
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 3: need guys that know the system. Moving on to safeties,

1836
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar, I have five safeties. I kept all five

1837
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 3: of them, Kyle Duggar, Adrian Phillips, Tribul Peppers. I have

1838
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 3: Jalen Mills with the safeties, and I also have Joshua bledsone,

1839
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 3: making it so the only cut is Brad Hawkins. Here,

1840
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 3: we know I think pretty much what they're getting out

1841
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 3: of Dougger, Phillips, and Peppers, Like, those guys' roles are

1842
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: pretty set and Stone. Does Dugger play a little bit

1843
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 3: more single high? Does he play a little bit more

1844
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 3: deep safety this year? I think he probably does. But

1845
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 3: ultimately we know that those three guys are probably gonna

1846
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 3: be on this team. Jalen Mills is a really interesting

1847
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 3: player to me. I'm actually kind of excited. Is that

1848
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 3: crazy about him actually playing where he belongs? Yeah, And

1849
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 3: like I actually think that he's going to be a

1850
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,879
Speaker 3: really serviceable player for them. And you talk about guys.

1851
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 3: A guy that can play some slot can like roll

1852
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 3: out wide if he needs to roll out wide. And

1853
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 3: when I say roll out wide, I mean like spin

1854
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 3: out wide, right, like you can spin the dial on

1855
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 3: the quarterback. Now, where like Jalen Mills can take a flat,

1856
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 3: he can take a third on the deep on the

1857
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,480
Speaker 3: outside and play it like a corner if he ultimately

1858
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 3: has to, but you don't have to actually line him

1859
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 3: up at outside corner anymore. I think that he's gonna

1860
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 3: be so much in such better shape just in terms

1861
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 3: of like his actual performance on the field playing safety

1862
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 3: than playing corner. But at the same time, when this

1863
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,799
Speaker 3: is sort of why I think he's a valuable piece

1864
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 3: if Jack Jones's situation continues to go south, he does

1865
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 3: give you depth at outside corner. He is somebody that

1866
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 3: can't kick back outside, so now he kind of he

1867
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 3: essentially fills two spots for you with one player, which

1868
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 3: is a nice thing to have.

1869
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they are a couple guys like that. He's

1870
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: probably the highlight. But I'm with you. When he signed

1871
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: here at first, remember we all thought it was to

1872
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: replace Patrick Chunk. Yeah, so he's a fine corner and

1873
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: I think he still will play boundary corner in certain

1874
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: matchup situations, especially if they don't have Jack Jones bigger receivers. Right,

1875
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: But I think having he brings an interesting element to

1876
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: the back end. Really, I'm just excited to seeing cover

1877
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: tight ends, yeah, because they've struggled at covering tight ends

1878
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: the last few years. If there is a weakness in

1879
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar's game, I think it's that. I think it's

1880
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 1: man covers on tight ends. That is an assignment Jalen

1881
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Mills should be able to handle, and should be able

1882
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: to handle at a high level, and that's gonna help

1883
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: him out a lot because how many times last year

1884
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: did it seem like they had the receivers covered, the

1885
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: pass rushes getting there, and then boom, the tight end

1886
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: leaked out on somebody and was able to run wide open.

1887
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 1: That shouldn't happen with Jalen Mills in that role.

1888
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 3: It's interesting that because I agree with you that he

1889
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 3: should be almost elite at covering tight ends because he's

1890
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 3: so used to covering wide receiver, right, And when he

1891
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 3: talked to guys about that. I remember in nineteen the

1892
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 3: Patriots were playing the Eagles and Zach Ertz was still

1893
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 3: like a problem back in nineteen So on third down,

1894
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 3: they move Stefan Gilmour onto zach Ertz just for third down,

1895
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 3: And he talked about it after the game that he

1896
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 3: actually had to slow himself down because he's so used

1897
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 3: to covering such fast guys on the outside that he

1898
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 3: had to like slow himself down to not like over

1899
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 3: pursue right on zach Ertz. And so Mills's biggest issue

1900
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 3: is his long speed. It's always been his biggest issues

1901
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 3: carrying verticals, carrying crossers down the field, like he's just

1902
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 3: not he doesn't have this foot speed to do it.

1903
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 3: Tight Ends aren't as fast as receivers, right, It's just science.

1904
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 3: So in theory, I think that he should be a

1905
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,799
Speaker 3: really good man coverage guy on tight ends. That frees

1906
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 3: up Kyle Dugger to now play more of that rover

1907
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 3: like zone style role where he can kind of float

1908
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 3: and ball hawk and hunt the football and things like that,

1909
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 3: which I think is better for everybody, Kyle Dugger individually

1910
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 3: and the defense as a whole. I would love to

1911
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 3: see Dugger more involved in everything, like he could blitz more. Now,

1912
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 3: he could play the deep part of the field more

1913
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 3: he could play the robber role more, he could bracket more.

1914
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 3: Like all the things that they used to do with

1915
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 3: Rodney Harris are now in play because they have somebody that.

1916
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: Well, that can cover modernized, modernized version what they do.

1917
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 3: You don't want I'm taking people's heads off.

1918
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Is that I do. But it's a lot of penalty yards.

1919
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of penalty yards.

1920
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 3: Someone's got to do it to Josh Allen eventually. But

1921
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 3: that's that's a separate, separate conversation. When we get into

1922
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 3: the bills a couple of months, we can have that conversation, get.

1923
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: Into the bills previous.

1924
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 3: All right, let's go specialist and then we'll do our

1925
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 3: little AFC. Wait, oh yeah, we just did see you

1926
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 3: just did Josh ol Bloso? Do you have a monitor off?

1927
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 1: Last guy on? They like him, I know they like him.

1928
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 1: Special teams turn over all of that. He sticks.

1929
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, another guy that can play tight ends as well.

1930
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 3: I think a little bit. All right, specialists right now,

1931
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 3: I have the rookies winning. I have specialists, and I

1932
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 3: have covered Jas's. I don't know if you do cover Jason's.

1933
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,719
Speaker 1: So I call it specialists and special teamers.

1934
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so I just combined them both. I have the rookies,

1935
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 3: the rookie specialist winning the jobs.

1936
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: I still have Weightman was the better player in the spring.

1937
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 3: You're the punter guy, so I'm gonna go now.

1938
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: That is so the way I wrote this, I was

1939
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: not projecting the summer. I said, if it were to

1940
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: be decided today, yeah, this is where we would be at.

1941
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: And Weightman showed me more. Now it's razor thin and

1942
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: there's absolutely room for that's change, but showed me more

1943
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: through the spring. Uh, the hang times are better. They

1944
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: were working. It's not even that they were better, they

1945
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: weren't better. More consistent, Yeah, exactly, thank you. Baringer had

1946
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,799
Speaker 1: some absolute boots, but he had some absolute duds. I thought, Weightman,

1947
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna value consistency over upside. They just want to

1948
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna get so they can go cover it.

1949
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: I also thought he's got the one thing that's really

1950
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: tough about punters, because you're the film guy and it's

1951
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. So much of it is the way,

1952
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: the kind of rotation they put on the ball when

1953
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: it comes off their foot, the way the spiral where

1954
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 1: it is on the axis of that. You really can't

1955
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: see that on film, No, you kind of have to

1956
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 1: see it in person, and just based an idea based

1957
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: off how the ball rolls when he hits the ground

1958
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: and how guys catch it. Yeah, yeah, YadA. Right, So

1959
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 1: like watching Weightman last year, I didn't think his rotation

1960
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 1: was all that special, but I saw it in person

1961
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: and it is. Yeah, so that there's that as well.

1962
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: So again, still razor thin. Still it's very much up

1963
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: for grabs, call it fifty one forty nine. But if

1964
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: I had to pick somebody from the spring, I thought

1965
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Weightman was better, Well, I'll give it to you. Weight Man.

1966
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,839
Speaker 3: I had Bearinger just because of the draft pick, honestly.

1967
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: So that's and that factors in as well. Yeah, but

1968
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, sixth round.

1969
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 3: So I don't really see a scenario. And I love

1970
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 3: Nick Folk. Nick Folk's been really solid for the Patriots. Honestly,

1971
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 3: I say this was again not to be hyperbolic, h

1972
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 3: Nick Folk. I almost like saved them at the kicker

1973
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 3: spot when Stephen Goskowski retired and was basically washed, like

1974
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 3: they were really remember like Mike Nugent was here for

1975
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 3: like a week or two, right, Yeah, it was really

1976
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 3: bad the nuge the nuge. It was really bad, and

1977
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 3: I get Folk all the credit in the world for

1978
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 3: studying that position. They drafted Chad Ryland in the fourth round.

1979
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 3: He looked the part in the spring. To me, CA's

1980
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 3: controlling the ball certainly has a bigger leg. Obviously at

1981
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 3: this stage of their careers. I just don't really see

1982
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 3: how Folk beats out Ryland frankly, but I will say

1983
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 3: I think that Folk could kick it for another team

1984
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 3: in the league. So I don't leave this door completely

1985
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 3: open because I think if they do cut him, that

1986
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 3: he's probably one of the thirty two best kickers in

1987
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 3: the league and we'll get picked.

1988
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: Up some way. So he's if he will. But Dennet's

1989
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: does he want to? Right, He's He's been commuting from Dallas.

1990
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: His family still in Dallas. He sort of has a

1991
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: setup here. He might tell all the teams. If New

1992
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 1: England wants me, they'll call me. But other than that,

1993
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm good. Maybe the Cowboys would be the one team.

1994
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 3: I guess the Texans, Yeah, could you see them keeping

1995
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 3: him on the practice squad at all, just because they

1996
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 3: do funky things with kicker if.

1997
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: He was up for it. So I think they're gonna

1998
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 1: keep I think both punters are gonna be here. Yeah.

1999
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: With Folk, I don't see why he would do that.

2000
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I know he's unless it's who was. Remember during COVID

2001
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: there were the emergency practice squad quarterbacks. They like on

2002
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: the practice squad, but they were like, just stay home, right,

2003
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: we just don't want you here because we can't have

2004
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: you getting exposed. That that's where it's at for me.

2005
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: He's like if Folk was like, yeah, all right, if

2006
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to lose me, he signed to the

2007
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: pract squad, but you know, I'll stay in shape down

2008
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: here in Dallas. I don't see what's in that for him.

2009
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair all right. In terms of the cover,

2010
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 3: Jases as I called him, obviously Slater obviously, Brandon Schooler

2011
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 3: I think is obviously, and then I have Jordan Helick

2012
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 3: as the last spot.

2013
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Right now.

2014
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 3: They really like this kid, like they were really working

2015
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 3: with him in the spring. He was like typical Patriot

2016
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,639
Speaker 3: UDFA signing or he wasn't on anybody else's radar except

2017
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 3: the Patriots. And they pick up this kid now. I

2018
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 3: think they really like DeMarcus Mitchell as well. So I

2019
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 3: think that's a true so I have both on battle.

2020
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 3: You have both on Yeah, so that my cut was

2021
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 3: Roley Webb. I also have we Right, I think they find.

2022
01:33:58,040 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: A way to keep all for Slater school Er Mitchell

2023
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:02,759
Speaker 1: and okay, and then the other guy is Cody Davis.

2024
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: But he wasn't totally healthy this spring and.

2025
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 3: Right, that's why. So I have Cody Davis currently off,

2026
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 3: but I think so he is definitely a vested veteran,

2027
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 3: so he doesn't go through waivers. So my guess is

2028
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 3: is that Cody Davis will be here on the practice

2029
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 3: squad and my just hedging that, I would say he

2030
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 3: probably gets elevated game day elevation and he's active Week

2031
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 3: one against the Eagles if he's healthy. But I think

2032
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 3: that he gets cut initially.

2033
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,640
Speaker 1: I also just wont if that's the other part of it,

2034
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: Like the season.

2035
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:34,839
Speaker 3: That was a really bad knee injury.

2036
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was significant, Like I could see him opening

2037
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: the year on PUP and then they get what's it's

2038
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: what six weeks? I need to remind myself of all this,

2039
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 1: like I take it the day before camp every year,

2040
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, does he open on pup and that because

2041
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: he does he need camp? Like he knows what he's doing.

2042
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 3: So I think the the tough part was is that

2043
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 3: their special teams, their protection units did take a hit

2044
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 3: without Cody Davis.

2045
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 1: They got much worse right after Cody. But I I

2046
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: think that's on Cody Davis. That's the point. And they've

2047
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: brought in a guy like Jordan Healey, They've brought in

2048
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 1: a guy like Chris Board, guys like that, where Cody

2049
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,799
Speaker 1: Davis pup for six weeks and then all right, we'll

2050
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: see where we're at. Then maybe somebody gets hurt or

2051
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 1: maybe just the unit's not good and we need to

2052
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: bring you back then. But I yeah, it's tough. There's

2053
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: so many ways to keep him without putting him on

2054
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: the week one roster. That and I don't think they

2055
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: risk losing him that. I don't think they need to

2056
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 1: necessarily keep him.

2057
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's our roster projections. My last three off,

2058
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 3: like my my fifty four, fifty five, and fifty six

2059
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 3: were Anthony Jennings, Malik Cunningham, and Anthony You.

2060
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: Wow, you'd cunning him close.

2061
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 3: I had cutting him pretty close.

2062
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: I did. So my last three all on defense. Actually

2063
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:49,759
Speaker 1: all six of my five are on defense. My last

2064
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: three off were Lawrence, Guy Mac Wilson, and Isaiah Bolden.

2065
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: Interesting those were fifty four to fifty five and fifty six,

2066
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: and then my last three on were Jordan Helig, Anthony Jennings,

2067
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: and Joshua Bloods.

2068
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 3: So I think you're gonna end up being right about

2069
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 3: Anthony Jennings. He'll make the team. I didn't realize how

2070
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 3: many snaps he played last year.

2071
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 1: Time.

2072
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 3: Well, I I just go off of you know me,

2073
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 3: I just I go off of what I see on

2074
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 3: the film and like it. Just when you are literally

2075
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 3: non existent in my brain, I I check out. Okay,

2076
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 3: So that's that's how that actual.

2077
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: Three hundred and fifty snaps. It's a lot of snaps.

2078
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 3: That's a lot more than I would have thought if

2079
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 3: you had asked the average if you oh, whoa, whoa, whoa,

2080
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 3: don't give him that, if you you gave him seven

2081
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 3: extra snaps. Come on, man, if you asked the average

2082
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 3: Patriots fan how many snaps Anthony Jennings played last year

2083
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 3: over under ten it's game? Do you think that they

2084
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 3: would have they had any clue he played that much.

2085
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: Uh, Fans that didn't know their stuff would say that.

2086
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 3: It's a fair it's fair but I don't know. I

2087
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 3: don't feel I feel like you'll be right about that.

2088
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 3: I'll give you that. I think one of them I

2089
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 3: have I was too heavy on the offensive line.

2090
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: I had ten offensive lineman two.

2091
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 3: It's a lot. I think it's too many. I think

2092
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 3: they'll be at eight or nine and afredy Jens will

2093
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 3: be on the team. All right, do you want to

2094
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 3: quickly do our finish up our AFC East previews because

2095
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to spend too much time on this

2096
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 3: next week because we want a pre training camp and stuff.

2097
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 3: But quickly we'll start with the Jets. Let's start with

2098
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 3: the Jets. The Jets on paper? Is it crazy?

2099
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 4: Is this?

2100
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 3: Is it crazy to say that the Jets roster on

2101
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: paper is actually the best roster in the division.

2102
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 1: No, it is. It is, but it's so like Madden ratings.

2103
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: It is, but it's so boom or bust. And it

2104
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 1: starts with the quarterback. Are they going to get an

2105
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: engaged Aaron Rodgers, like an f you to the world,

2106
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? Or are they going to get a guy

2107
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: that's checked out like he was in Green Bay And

2108
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 1: I know people think, oh, well, he's in New York

2109
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: he's got new team, he's got reasona care. What if

2110
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: they lose their first couple of games, which isn't unrealistic.

2111
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 3: So we're hinging. See, here's the thing. The reason why

2112
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 3: I said that is because these two teams are doing today,

2113
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 3: the Jets and the Bills. I think the Bills roster

2114
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 3: has more holes in it that's had in recent years.

2115
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 3: I do, and we can get to like where those

2116
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 3: holes are. But I think those holes exist in Buffalo

2117
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 3: a little bit more than they have in the past

2118
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 3: couple of years. I think the Jets roster is better

2119
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 3: than the Bills. Yeah, I did agree with that, and

2120
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 3: I agree with you that the that the whole thing

2121
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 3: hinges on Aaron Rodgers. Like if Aaron Rodgers is MVPR

2122
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 3: and Rodgers and they're a Super Bowl content.

2123
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: The Bills are definitively better than the Jets at two positions,

2124
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 1: tight end and wide receiver. That's it.

2125
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think they're better at wide receiver?

2126
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 1: I mean the Bills. The Jets don't have anybody that

2127
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 1: touches to Funt Diggs. Garrel Wilson's not a bad player, Yes,

2128
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: Fun Diggs is. I agree with you. That's the Jets.

2129
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Jets are bad at wide receiver.

2130
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: They've got a good group. They do have it, but

2131
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 1: I like and they have more depth, Yeah, they have

2132
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: more depth, but it Digs is. I mean, you know,

2133
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 1: my take on Diggs is that Diggs is the reason

2134
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is who Diggs is a massive reason Josh Allen.

2135
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,520
Speaker 3: So he is getting older though, and he is getting.

2136
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: That's true, and he is getting you know what, we

2137
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: can revisit this one, you know what, that's what we

2138
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: can revisit.

2139
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know why I'm like the biggest tofon Diggs.

2140
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:09,600
Speaker 1: You know you I said, definitively he's not fit of

2141
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 1: all right, So the Bills have one position over the

2142
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: Jets tight end. And I just remember the Jets got

2143
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: Zach Kuonz, so maybe.

2144
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,640
Speaker 3: Not well in Conkland, Jack Conlin is like not a

2145
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 3: bad tight end, He's just not He's fine, He's not dynamic.

2146
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 1: I like Dawson Knox. I think, I don't.

2147
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 3: Know depending on where you put God damn it, Dalton.

2148
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: Well, apparently he's a slot receiver.

2149
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 3: This so this is where they're at in Buffalo. They

2150
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 3: are legitimately arguing about this point is is Dalton can

2151
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 3: gate a tight end or as to be fair, we're

2152
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 3: kind of doing that with mart we're also yeah, but

2153
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:42,520
Speaker 3: like I guess.

2154
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: Okay, but the Patriots drafted Martem Mofhu to play Martine

2155
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: Mofhu's role. The Bills in a draft great with slot

2156
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 1: receivers needing a slot receiver drafted a tight end to

2157
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 1: play slot receiver. It's like the Jags at Travis Et.

2158
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:55,639
Speaker 1: The mystery could be anything.

2159
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 3: We're supposed to even be a boat we're supposed to

2160
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 3: be doing the Jets. Let's get to the Bulls in

2161
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 3: a second. I know we both have takes on the Bills.

2162
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 3: So here's my like, because we have to play this

2163
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 3: game as a Patriot podcast, Like, here's my holes for

2164
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 3: the Jets, Like where could it fall apart? Obviously, the

2165
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 3: biggest one is Aaron Rodgers, Like Aaron Rodgers is the

2166
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 3: biggest one. If he's not locked in, if he's washed,

2167
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 3: even like I'll say it, like, if he's washed, then

2168
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 3: maybe that doesn't look as good as it possibly could.

2169
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 3: I think the other hole from a roster can construction standpoint,

2170
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 3: because defensively, they're loaded at all three levels.

2171
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 1: They are.

2172
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're a great defense, uh from a roster construction standpoint,

2173
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 3: their offensive line is still a little bit questionable. Yeah,

2174
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 3: Like I have no idea I McKay Beckton's gonna he's

2175
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 3: like there, Trent Brown, Like, you just don't know if

2176
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 3: he's gonna have what's his weight gonna be, like, what's

2177
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 3: his health gonna be, Like, what's his focus gonna be? Like, like,

2178
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 3: you just don't know any of those things. And they're

2179
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,799
Speaker 3: still really counting on McKai becton being a starting caliber

2180
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 3: tackle for them this year. They're thin along the tackle

2181
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 3: spots certainly like they are in a similar boat as

2182
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 3: the Patriots, where they're just kind of throwing bodies at

2183
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 3: it and hoping that something sticks by the end of

2184
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 3: the year. So if you're the Patriots and you're playing

2185
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 3: the Jets, I still think what you hope is that

2186
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 3: your defensive front can take over against that offensive line

2187
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 3: and the pressure can get to Aaron Rodgers. Like, I

2188
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 3: still think that that's the game plan, that's the hope.

2189
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 3: The other thing is the hired Nathaniel Hackett as their

2190
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, And I understand the head coach and offensive

2191
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 3: coordinator are two very, very different jobs right. And I

2192
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 3: get that Nathaniel Hackett failed in Denver as a head

2193
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 3: coach and not a coordinator, But outside of the Patriots,

2194
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 3: I think Denver was the elite, the worst coordinated offense

2195
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 3: in the league last year, and they had a real

2196
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, a real offensive coach. It wasn't like they

2197
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 3: put somebody to where he didn't belong and it led right.

2198
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:59,719
Speaker 3: So that's still I think is a big in my mind,

2199
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 3: a wild card. Now Aaron Rodgers might trumpet, and Aaron

2200
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 3: Rodgers might just make it good enough, but Bill versus

2201
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Hackett is still a major miss match, a major,

2202
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 3: major mismatch. So I think that's something that you can

2203
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 3: a feather you can put in the Patriots cap. Defensively

2204
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 3: for the Jets really terrific, honestly, at all three levels.

2205
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 3: You got Quentin Williams, C. J. Mosley, Sauce Gardner, like

2206
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 3: your three pillars on that side of the football. I

2207
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 3: guess maybe if you really again want to talk yourself

2208
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 3: into the Jets falling apart, Mosley is starting to get

2209
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 3: up there a little bit in terms of off ball linebackers,

2210
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,640
Speaker 3: Like you think of Keekley, you think of Bowman Like,

2211
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 3: so those guys have retired early, well you know, historically,

2212
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 3: and he's yeah, he's somebody that's logged a ton of

2213
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:47,720
Speaker 3: snaps over the years in Buffalo or in Baltimore, excuse me,

2214
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 3: and also obviously with the Jets. But they have a

2215
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 3: lot of really good players on that defense, and once

2216
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 3: and for all, Quentin Williams, like that's I think a

2217
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,639
Speaker 3: huge Hugets factor for the Patriots. Like he got Cold

2218
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 3: Strange bench last. Yeah, he ate Cole Strange alive. Uh,

2219
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 3: huff off the edge too. I like John Franklin Myers

2220
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,599
Speaker 3: is sort of there, like Dietrich Whi Swiss Army knife end.

2221
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 3: They also have Jermaine Johnson from Florida State they drafted

2222
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,719
Speaker 3: and then they just drafted Will McDonald. Now they drafted

2223
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 3: will McDonald early, Like we all agree on that.

2224
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Because they panicked.

2225
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 3: Sure, but he's like a hey, I think he's gonna

2226
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 3: be like a josh U j type where he's gonna

2227
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 3: have a role and rotated on passing downs and things

2228
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 3: like that. So, uh, the Jets defense is loaded. It's

2229
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 3: gonna be interesting though, because it is the last thing

2230
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 3: you know about the Jets defense. It's a system defense.

2231
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:40,879
Speaker 3: It's not a game plan defense.

2232
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: Really.

2233
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 3: They play that Seattle the new age Seattle three. I

2234
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 3: don't even know what to call it. It's a new

2235
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 3: age Seattle three. They play a little bit more too

2236
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 3: high than Seattle did in the Legion to Boom days.

2237
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 3: But they play that zone style defense, that match zone

2238
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 3: the three, the Mabel, that type of stuff. And Bill

2239
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 3: O'Brien's gonna know what's coming like, it's going to be

2240
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 3: a matter of executing and do we have the players,

2241
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 3: you know, do the Patriots have the horses to beat

2242
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 3: a sauce Gardner to beat a who's the other quarter

2243
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 3: of that may right? No, that's the same I should

2244
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 3: have pulled this up, but that's prob well, short guy, yeah,

2245
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 3: I have the name on the tip of my tongue.

2246
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 3: But that's going to be the the issue I think

2247
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 3: for them is how do they keep that system fresh,

2248
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 3: how do they keep that system, how do they keep

2249
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 3: teams guessing against that system? Because Jerry d Jerry, Yeah,

2250
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 3: he's a good player, by the way, that that's going

2251
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 3: to be a question with them. But I, as currently constituted,

2252
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm not like as afraid of Aaron Rodgers as I

2253
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 3: am still of the Jets defense, Like, I don't know

2254
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,719
Speaker 3: how the Patriots score on this on this Jets defense

2255
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 3: with any regularity. And Aaron Rodgers is going to probably

2256
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 3: put twenty to twenty four points on you.

2257
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah fourced turnovers sow they beat them in the past. Yeah,

2258
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 1: and they can do that against Rogers. Not a lot

2259
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: of teams can. But Belichick is seemingly always gotten Rodgers

2260
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 1: turned ball over. So he did.

2261
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 3: You got Jack Jack Jones picks six? Yeah, yeah, big

2262
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 3: play in that game.

2263
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2264
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 3: All right.

2265
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:03,759
Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills.

2266
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:08,959
Speaker 3: This is Alex's favorite team in the NFL, isn't it. Yeah,

2267
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 3: the favorite team to rack.

2268
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: They were when Drew Bledsoe was there. They're my second

2269
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 1: favorite team.

2270
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 3: So here's the thing with the Buffalo Bills. You're gonna

2271
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 3: hate this take, but I'm gonna say it anyways. I

2272
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 3: think the Buffalo Bills are contenders. As long as Josh

2273
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 3: Allen is healthy. I think he makes them contenders. But

2274
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 3: at the same time, I do think that this roster

2275
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 3: that in Buffalo is as vulnerable as it's been for

2276
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 3: basically since like the COVID year. Yeah, like the last

2277
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 3: three years. They've been loaded on both sides of the football.

2278
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 3: I still don't really know. And maybe it's Dalton Kincaid.

2279
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 3: And we just mentioned the joke of you know, they

2280
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:46,560
Speaker 3: drafted a tight end to play slot receiver instead of

2281
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:50,919
Speaker 3: a slow receiver. But they're really hoping that Dalton Kincaid

2282
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 3: is going to emerge as the number two pass catcher

2283
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 3: and control the middle of the field. And then Stefan

2284
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 3: Diggs is obviously gonna beat Stefan Diggs. I can't say

2285
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 3: that the Patriots are you know, the Pagers still haven't

2286
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 3: stopped Buffalo in a real game, so I can't sit

2287
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 3: here and say that they're gonna magically do it now.

2288
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,839
Speaker 3: But outside of Stefan Diggs, and you know, with Dalton Kakaid,

2289
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,799
Speaker 3: we'll see. Like I wasn't as high on Dalton Kakaid

2290
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 3: as as a lot of other people were. I were.

2291
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 3: I don't fully remember where you stood on Dalton cacad

2292
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 3: in the draft he was I thought he was a

2293
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 3: little overrated. I thought so to you, So we'll see

2294
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 3: what he ends up being. We probably will both be

2295
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 3: wrong about that and it'll be a good player, but

2296
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 3: we'll see. I think that outside of Stefon Diggs, they

2297
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 3: still have a little bit of a receiver problem, like

2298
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 3: I don't know who, no one really scared.

2299
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 1: And including Sefon Diggs, they have a receiver problem. Well

2300
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 1: they have a Stefan Diggs problem and then they have

2301
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: a wide receiver depth prom But yeah, yeah, gave Davis

2302
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: never took that next jump that he was both take.

2303
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: Oh shit, gave Davis look nothing against Crave on the bloc.

2304
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 1: I like Crave on the block, but gave Davis beat

2305
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: up on Crave on the bloc. And they thought that

2306
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: he was the second coming of trustin Jefferson. That's fair.

2307
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 1: That just was never going to be a thing. So

2308
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 1: you're right to Bill's rosters is vulnerables. It's been I

2309
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: think their window closed last year. Stefan Diggs is now

2310
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 1: over thirty, Josh Allen's extension is kicked in. I know

2311
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: the whole thing about how the salary cap can be maneuvered.

2312
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: They've done a lot of maneuvering and it's put them

2313
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: in a tough spot. One thing I don't think has

2314
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 1: been talked about enough with them, their pass rush, really

2315
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 1: their whole defense. When they lost von Miller last year,

2316
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: everything changed, everything changed for them, and they signed who

2317
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: did they sign Leonard Floyd a couple weeks. He's not

2318
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 1: von Miller and is von Miller even gonna be von Miller?

2319
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: In the fact they signed Leonard Floyd leads me to

2320
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 1: believe this is a guy who's over thirty trying to

2321
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 1: come back from a torn acl That is a mass

2322
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: I think they should have taken a pass rush in

2323
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 1: the first round. That is a massive blow to their defense.

2324
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 1: Whatever is going on with Devon Diggs? Who knows?

2325
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 3: And they still have as jos media fabrication.

2326
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 1: But all right, well, if you ask the coach, it

2327
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: was seriously concerning, which when's last time year to talk

2328
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:02,719
Speaker 1: like that? I'm gonna take the coach having the slip

2329
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: of the tongue over anything else. Speaking of the coach,

2330
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 1: he still can't win a big game? Is my I wrong?

2331
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Me wrong? When's last time Sean mcdermer win a big game? No,

2332
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 1: you're not wrong? And the other There is still this

2333
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 1: overarching question about Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills of

2334
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 1: where is the tipping point of how much you can

2335
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 1: run him? Because he's at his most effective when he's

2336
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: a regular running threat, but if you overdo it, he

2337
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 1: gets banged up, and as the years go on, the

2338
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 1: running is only going to take more and more of

2339
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 1: a toll on him. We saw it last year, so

2340
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 1: last year.

2341
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,879
Speaker 3: And that's a big conversation again this offseason in Buffalo

2342
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 3: is Josh Allen needs to run less. And your GM

2343
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 3: came out and said it.

2344
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 1: And they believe that there is this magic number of

2345
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:55,400
Speaker 1: like carries that we're maximizing his running but he won't

2346
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: get hurt. And they think that if they can just

2347
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 1: find that number, he's going to be unstoppable. I don't

2348
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 1: think that exists, because you saw it last year. He

2349
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: hurt his elbow. They ramped his carries down, Teams started

2350
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 1: just dropping back into coverage like they did to him

2351
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 1: early in his career and daring him to run the

2352
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 1: ball when he wouldn't do it, and he couldn't make

2353
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 1: any of the throws, and then he runs too much

2354
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 1: and he gets hurt. So I just this, are the

2355
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 1: Bills gonna win ten games? Yes, I'm not sitting here

2356
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 1: saying they're screwed, but this is a question that they

2357
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 1: can't answer. Brian dave Ball got close. I don't think

2358
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:31,600
Speaker 1: it's Van pelt right. Is the OC no it's not

2359
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:33,719
Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey, Ken Drsey, it was one of the early

2360
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: two thousands Bills backup quarterbacks. I do that it's Ken Dory.

2361
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Dorsey doesn't have the answer. If Dave Ball didn't get it,

2362
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't know who's getting it because I don't think

2363
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 1: that number exists because it's the NFL. One carry can

2364
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 1: get you hurt. It's not like, Okay, his body can

2365
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 1: absorb eight carries of game. So that's what we're giving him.

2366
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: All takes his one big shot and he still doesn't slide.

2367
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 1: He still doesn't go to bounds. Maybe if he starts

2368
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 1: doing that, that helps, but he's still gonna have to cats.

2369
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: And that is the reason they can't win a big game.

2370
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: That is the reason they can't win in the playoffs. Well,

2371
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 1: that and they're afraid of bad weather. Soft ass team

2372
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,760
Speaker 1: up there in Buffalo. We want a roof on our stadium.

2373
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: We were the best home field advantages, but we don't care.

2374
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 1: They're not getting a run. Josh Allen will totally still

2375
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 1: be here by the time the new stadium is filled.

2376
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 1: The point being, The point being that I don't think

2377
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: that number exists, and until the Bills can solve that problem,

2378
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 1: and I don't know that it's a problem that can

2379
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: be solved. Here's maybe they're a contender, yeah, but they're

2380
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:33,799
Speaker 1: never going I won't be able to take them seriously

2381
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: as like a true Super Bowl famous.

2382
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 3: Okay, So here's here's the problem with the Bills in

2383
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 3: my terms that I think is in the same on

2384
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:42,839
Speaker 3: the same track as yours. Yeah, I think the biggest

2385
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 3: problem with the Bills is that the Bills have no

2386
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 3: way of Remember when the Patriots, we talk about it

2387
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 3: all the time, the Patriots would just win games by

2388
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:54,559
Speaker 3: taking care.

2389
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 1: Of business right.

2390
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 3: They would just show up. They would play a polished,

2391
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 3: well rounded football game. They wouldn't over exert themselves, they

2392
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't over exert Brady. They wouldn't like try to hang

2393
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 3: fifty on you. But they would just win like the

2394
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 3: thirty one fourteen and ho hum, we'll see you next week.

2395
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 3: And even though that's not the bottom line in the playoffs,

2396
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 3: in order to like get Josh Allen to be at

2397
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 3: the peak when he hits the playoffs, they don't have

2398
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 3: anything in Buffalo. I shouldn't say they don't have anything.

2399
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:27,640
Speaker 3: They don't currently at a high enough level have like

2400
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:28,560
Speaker 3: a layup.

2401
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: Well, because Josh Allen can't play a safe game. But

2402
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:32,800
Speaker 1: it's not just that.

2403
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 3: I think what the bigger thing is is like they

2404
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 3: don't have they don't have a layup, right, they don't

2405
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 3: have a layup, they have three pointers. They're they're like

2406
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 3: they're like the NBA of the NFL, right, where like

2407
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:46,240
Speaker 3: when they come down on to the Celtics, like when

2408
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 3: they come down on you rating threes and it's like,

2409
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 3: you know, they hit twenty five threes, they're gonna beat

2410
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 3: you by thirty points, right, But what they don't have

2411
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 3: is they don't have the consistent half court offense. They

2412
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 3: don't just have that ability to just like this is

2413
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 3: what set.

2414
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 1: Against the Patriots for some reason. Right, they can do

2415
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:03,519
Speaker 1: it against the Patriots, but nobody else.

2416
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 3: Right, But this is what we go to. This is

2417
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 3: our stuff. This is what we're gonna run, and we're

2418
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 3: gonna matriculate the ball down the field, and we're gonna

2419
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 3: score points on you, and we're gonna shorten the game

2420
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 3: and do all that stuff that some weeks in some

2421
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 3: games and some opponents in the playoffs, like that's just

2422
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:20,160
Speaker 3: how you have to win. And I think it's twofold

2423
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 3: one mainly it's Josh Allen, right, Like his playing style

2424
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 3: just lends itself to being a hero ball, Like that's

2425
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 3: just the way he plays. And b they don't really

2426
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:36,720
Speaker 3: have a traditional running game. They don't have like a

2427
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 3: hand the ball off, turn around and hand the ball

2428
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 3: off running game. They don't have it, and they don't

2429
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 3: have the pay as a result, they don't have the

2430
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 3: play action sequencing off of that, right, right, So that's

2431
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 3: like how a lot of teams survive on early downs.

2432
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 3: The Bills don't really survive that way on early downs.

2433
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 3: The Bills survive on early downs by throwing the freaking rock,

2434
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,600
Speaker 3: like just just blitzing you literally on offense and just

2435
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 3: try to score forty five and getting out of there

2436
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 3: in that. So until they find something that's consistent, that's

2437
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 3: not volatile, that's not a turnover prone and they can

2438
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 3: just kind of hit you with it consistently, they are

2439
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,799
Speaker 3: gonna be a team that's either gonna win by thirty

2440
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 3: or lose big like they did against the Bengals, right,

2441
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 3: And there's no in between.

2442
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:22,480
Speaker 1: So if you're I can't you can't trust those teams.

2443
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 3: You can't trust them. And they signed Damien Harris this offseason. Yeah,

2444
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 3: and the reason why I bring it up because they

2445
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 3: signed Damien Harris, they drafted James Cook. Was that last year.

2446
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 3: I do think that they recognize it. But schematically and

2447
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 3: in terms of their personnel on their offensive line, they

2448
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:42,639
Speaker 3: have not been good enough without Josh Allen's legs being

2449
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 3: a factor. If they run readoption, they can run the

2450
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 3: football right, but that means that he's at legs are

2451
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 3: a factor. That means that he's in the run play.

2452
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: Because every team's gonna take away Damien Harrison force him

2453
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:53,719
Speaker 1: to keep it right.

2454
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 3: There's no traditional run game in Buffalo, and that also

2455
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 3: doesn't lend itself to your point about the weather, like

2456
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:01,600
Speaker 3: when it gets cold and when it gets snowy up

2457
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 3: in Buffalo like it did against Cincinnati.

2458
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:06,679
Speaker 1: Even Miami, they have no running game.

2459
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 3: So the Bills are in a really weird spot because

2460
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:13,560
Speaker 3: their offense is still good. Don't get me wrong, Like

2461
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 3: there's still a top games, there's still a great offense.

2462
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's is still an MVP caliber quarterback, but I

2463
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:25,599
Speaker 3: think he is. But what they're learning in Buffalo is

2464
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,960
Speaker 3: that that's like step one, Like now they have to

2465
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 3: be a championship team right, and but is.

2466
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 1: It too Like I feel like the time for them

2467
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 1: to learn that lesson was last year because again Alan

2468
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 1: now has this elbow problem and he's another year older.

2469
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:42,280
Speaker 1: Digs is now thirty. You've got extensions kicking in. There's

2470
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 1: not a ton of room to build up, Like there's

2471
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 1: no more. Oh, Josh Allen's on an affordable deal. We're

2472
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 1: gonna start putting peace aroun him. The money's all been spent.

2473
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 3: It's just wild because they are so good offensively, So

2474
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to like be like acting like they're

2475
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 3: like this terrible offense. They're so good offensively, but and

2476
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 3: like the metrics also back up like sort of your

2477
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 3: feelings on it is just like it's literally all boom

2478
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 3: or bust. He's either hitting a sixty yard bomb to

2479
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 3: Digs like he did against the Patriots last year and

2480
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 3: to basically put that game on ice, or he's thrown

2481
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 3: a pick and there's like sustainable.

2482
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 1: That's what I've said since day one about Josh Allen.

2483
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: It's not sustainable. It's not replicatable. He has flashes where

2484
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 1: he's great, but you can't you can't set your watch

2485
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 1: to it. You can't count on it for except for

2486
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 1: whatever reason, against the Patriots, against thirty teams in the NFL,

2487
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 1: they need to go eighty yards in twelve plays to

2488
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 1: ice the game. Can't do it. He'll throw a pick

2489
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 1: against the Patriots. I don't know he doesn't, it's weird.

2490
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: But against every like that's the thing he can't do.

2491
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 1: So that's why the Bills need to get If they

2492
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 1: get up big early, which they can do because they're

2493
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 1: really good, they can play from ahead. But don't you

2494
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 1: dare ask the Buffalo Wheels to Bills to win a

2495
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 1: close game because they can't do it because they don't

2496
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 1: have that ability to be up four points in run

2497
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 1: the clock out. They don't. It costs.

2498
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 3: I know Coward already made the comparison of the Celtics

2499
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 3: and the Bills, but they really are the Celtics of

2500
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 3: the NFL.

2501
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I was saying they were the Sixers. I

2502
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:13,839
Speaker 1: think that the Celtic, but they the Celtics.

2503
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 3: Celtics, so last thing on.

2504
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 1: The Bills, but Celtics onto an NBA Finals. The Celtics

2505
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,880
Speaker 1: at least got there last thing on the Bills before

2506
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,120
Speaker 1: we wrap. But also Joelle Embiid won an MVP, so

2507
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:24,640
Speaker 1: maybe they're not the Sixers.

2508
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 3: Either, no Tremade Edmunds anymore. Right in Buffalo that I

2509
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 3: think defensively, they still have the rest of their defense attack,

2510
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 3: you know, the two safeties hide employer, Matt Milanos.

2511
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:34,720
Speaker 1: Those guys get hurt a lot.

2512
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 3: They signed at Oliver to a big extension. So they

2513
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 3: still have like nine tenths of nine to elevens of

2514
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,040
Speaker 3: their pieces, right, and now Kyrie Illam is supposed to

2515
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 3: step up and play regular corner role, is to kind

2516
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 3: of solidify that spot which was a little bit shaky

2517
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 3: last year at times. I'm interested to see how this

2518
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 3: works out with no Tremade Edmunds though, at the second

2519
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 3: level for them, because they had they had a great

2520
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 3: thing going with Matt Milano and Tremaine Edmunds. Yeah, they

2521
01:56:58,040 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 3: kind of let each other thrive and let each other,

2522
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, bring out the best in one another. So

2523
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 3: how does Malano look now that he's the only guy there.

2524
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 3: How does the whole thing look without Tremaine Edmunds, I

2525
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 3: think as a factor as well. But Benjamin Solak on

2526
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 3: the Ringer, who I like a lot. He wrote a

2527
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 3: great article. I think it was in right maybe right

2528
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:17,200
Speaker 3: after the Bengals playoff game last year, are going into

2529
01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:19,840
Speaker 3: the playoffs again about Buffalo's offense and then people should

2530
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 3: kind of it goes into more detail about what we're

2531
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 3: sort of talking about about the volatility of the Buffalo offense,

2532
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 3: and it's it's really interesting. It just they just do

2533
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 3: not have consistent stuff. But they can also just come

2534
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 3: out and out of the gate and just overwhelm you

2535
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 3: with talent and with with Josh Allen and just be

2536
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 3: up thirty at a blink of an eye. But when

2537
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 3: they get into those like grinded out type of football

2538
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 3: games like you mentioned, Alex, they don't have consistent stuff.

2539
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 3: So we'll see if that changes this year with Dorsey.

2540
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 3: We'll be back next week and put a bow on

2541
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 3: this show for our training camp preview because I'm out

2542
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,320
Speaker 3: the following week, but we have a plan in place

2543
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 3: maybe to do something in the following week even though

2544
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:04,440
Speaker 3: I won't be here beyond Martha's Vineyard. One nice week

2545
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 3: off before training camp. But we'll be back next week

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