Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: First off, I want to start with some lighthearted ness,
Speaker 1: which is my God. Did you all check out the
Speaker 1: White House Correspondence dinner over the weekend. I had the
Speaker 1: lovely opportunity to be on air with my friend Amen
Speaker 1: Mohedeen with a panel of just fantastic folks to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the President's agenda, but then be able to
Speaker 1: give live reactions following the set by President Biden and
Speaker 1: then by comedian Roywood Junior.
Speaker 2: And I got to.
Speaker 1: Tell you, one of my co panelists had said that
Speaker 1: he believes that this was President Biden's re election campaign launch,
Speaker 1: and I got one hundred percent agree. I think that
Speaker 1: Biden was funny as fuck. The jokes, particularly those that
Speaker 1: landed on DeSantis, those of poking fun at himself with
Speaker 1: regard to his age. I thought that he showed wit.
Speaker 1: I thought that he showed grit in terms of laying
Speaker 1: out both the seriousness of bringing back Brittany Griner, the
Speaker 1: seriousness of the protection of the First Amendment, and then
Speaker 1: being able to weave in and out of jokes and
Speaker 1: then kind of kid and joke around with the audience,
Speaker 1: you know, off script. He really showed his nimbleness. And
Speaker 1: I hope that we see that Joe Biden on the
Speaker 1: campaign trail because of I think that if that Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: you know, dark Brandon Frankly is on the campaign trail,
Speaker 1: I don't think that Republicans stand a fucking chance. I
Speaker 1: don't think that Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis stand a
Speaker 1: fucking chance because he is a real person and not
Speaker 1: some fucking culture war zombie. And I loved every moment
Speaker 1: of it. And I was pleasantly as I have been
Speaker 1: throughout this entire administration, pleasantly, pleasantly surprised in all the
Speaker 1: right ways. I want to transition now, folks. Coming up
Speaker 1: next is going to be our guest return guest, Kaivin Shroff,
Speaker 1: who is a political influencer an attorney, talking about in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, one the rise in gun violence,
Speaker 1: to the rise in violence against LGBTQ plus people, also
Speaker 1: touching upon the dominion case. And just a note that
Speaker 1: we pre recorded this interview before we knew how the
Speaker 1: dominion case was going to turn out, so obviously you
Speaker 1: all know now about the seven hundred and eighty seven
Speaker 1: million dollar you know, settlement, as well as as the
Speaker 1: continued fallout with regard to the firing of white supremacist
Speaker 1: handmaid in Tucker Carlson. But I want to talk for
Speaker 1: a moment about the attacks on the LGBTQ community, particularly
Speaker 1: the attacks that we are seeing specifically targeted at trans youth.
Speaker 1: And I came across the most disgusting politician to date,
Speaker 1: and that is, you know, really that it is. It
Speaker 1: is a deep barrel to go in, you know, to
Speaker 1: find and pick somebody out that is absolutely abhorrent. But
Speaker 1: I got to tell you that Carrie Seekins Crow, Republican
Speaker 1: outa Montana, takes the fucking cake. She is the sponsor
Speaker 1: of a bill that would deny trans youth gender firming
Speaker 1: care right. And what is gender firming care? It is
Speaker 1: the ability to begin to take hormone blockers so that
Speaker 1: you can fully be able to live within your own skin,
Speaker 1: right that you can be who you are. And I
Speaker 1: just want folks, even if you are not a medical professional,
Speaker 1: if you you know, oh, I don't understand this quote
Speaker 1: unquote trans thing. The only thing that you have to
Speaker 1: understand is that when people tell you who they are,
Speaker 1: how they would like to be addressed, how they want
Speaker 1: to show up in the world, and it is not
Speaker 1: causing you harm, it is not causing your family harm.
Speaker 1: It doesn't present any ill will whatsoever except for you
Speaker 1: to provide them with the dignity and the respect that
Speaker 1: you would provide anybody else. And if you can't do that,
Speaker 1: then just you know, get the fuck out of their
Speaker 1: way and allow trans people to be able to live
Speaker 1: free in this quote unquote democracy. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: that you really have to understand. Kerry Seekins Crow doesn't
Speaker 1: understand that. Not only does she not understand it, but
Speaker 1: when presented with the very real statistics that show that
Speaker 1: trans people who are unable to receive that kind of
Speaker 1: medical intervention, the rates of suicide skyrocket well above what
Speaker 1: is the national norm. And when presented with that information
Speaker 1: and also having lived with a daughter who apparently had
Speaker 1: suicide ideations, she said this quote, I prefer my transgender
Speaker 1: daughter commits suicide rather then allow her to transition. That is,
Speaker 1: a city member of an elected body wishing death are
Speaker 1: not only her daughter, but the entire trans population, rather
Speaker 1: than allowing them to transition. No one should have the
Speaker 1: authority and the power to stop people from becoming who
Speaker 1: they fully are. She is not God, and even if
Speaker 1: you are an atheist, who the fuck is she? When
Speaker 1: I saw because here's a full video, folks, this is
Speaker 1: just this is just one of the quotes of many
Speaker 1: that she gave in a speech on the floor of
Speaker 1: the Montana House. And I gotta say, what a absolute
Speaker 1: piece of fucking garbage. These are people that call themselves
Speaker 1: pro life. You are a pro death, hateful, immoral, fucking party.
Speaker 1: And it isn't just this woman. It is people that
Speaker 1: vote for this woman. It is people that stand by
Speaker 1: this party because they believe this toxic shit. This goes
Speaker 1: along with fucking Greg Abbot, who was root the entire
Speaker 1: time that the country is reeling from yet another mass
Speaker 1: shooting story that when Greg Abbot finally says something about
Speaker 1: the family that was gunned down, including a nine year
Speaker 1: old fucking kid in their home, then he didn't refer
Speaker 1: to those people by their name, He didn't refer to
Speaker 1: them as neighbors, he didn't refer to them as humans
Speaker 1: at all. He said that they were five I legal
Speaker 1: immigrants that were killed. Fuck you, Greg Abbott. Fuck the
Speaker 1: entire Republican Party. Fuck this woman, Kerry Seekins Crow. They
Speaker 1: are waging war and we keep pretending that they can
Speaker 1: be reasoned with. You cannot reason with somebody who wishes
Speaker 1: death on their own fucking child. It makes me sick.
Speaker 1: It makes me ill. The kind of America that we
Speaker 1: are living inside of right now because of their dark, twisted,
Speaker 1: fucking white evangelical Christian fantasy that they want the rest
Speaker 1: of us to live in. It is a nightmare. But
Speaker 1: this is who they are, So leave them. You cannot
Speaker 1: change the hearts and minds of people that have no heart.
Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with Kaivan Schroff, Folks, I
Speaker 1: am so excited to welcome back to wok F a
Speaker 1: daily Kaivon Schroff, who is a progressive influencer, New York
Speaker 1: City based public interest attorney, Congrats UH and former Clinton
Speaker 1: campaign alum. Kaivon, You're you're everywhere, and you're doing everything,
Speaker 1: but you just also recently finished a fellowship with every Town,
Speaker 1: the gun right, the gun reform advocates, and so I
Speaker 1: wanted to give you an opportunity to just share with
Speaker 1: folks about what you were working on with them.
Speaker 2: Absolutely So, as we know, gun violence remains one of
Speaker 2: our most pressing crises in the country, and there's strategies
Speaker 2: that people have been thinking about to solve this problem.
Speaker 2: And we've seen over the COVID pandemic. Specifically, states like
Speaker 2: New York and others passed these laws to try to
Speaker 2: allow lawyers to hold the gun industry accountable, just as
Speaker 2: we've done with big tobacco and the opioid industry, suing
Speaker 2: for industry accountability. Unfortunately, there's sort of a roadblock to
Speaker 2: this model because, unlike any other industry, the gun industry
Speaker 2: is accorded special immunity by federal law. So these are
Speaker 2: new laws that basically are workarounds and carve outs that
Speaker 2: you can still sue retailers, sellers, manufacturers who you know
Speaker 2: are targeting children or engaging in other reckless behaviors that
Speaker 2: contribute to gun violence. Now, the main problem with this
Speaker 2: idea is that we don't have a supply a pipeline
Speaker 2: of talent to become the next generation of gun violence
Speaker 2: prevention litigators. So, as sus mentioned that I just graduated
Speaker 2: law school last year and recently became an attorney, you know,
Speaker 2: there was no clinic on gun violence. You know, you
Speaker 2: have an immigration clinic, women's rights clinics, really important clinics,
Speaker 2: but this is also a really important issue, and particularly
Speaker 2: an issue that gen Z now of law school age
Speaker 2: is incredibly passionate about. So I think it's a real
Speaker 2: missed opportunity, and you know, perhaps we're harshly a dereliction
Speaker 2: of duty to not have a class, a clinic, some
Speaker 2: resources for students to plug in learn how they can
Speaker 2: be part of this movement in a major way using
Speaker 2: the law as a tool. And you know, beyond law schools,
Speaker 2: of course, you know, we need big law firms to
Speaker 2: jump in on this and give pro bono time and hours,
Speaker 2: and you know every lawyer has to do what we
Speaker 2: call cle continuing legal education, and you know we need
Speaker 2: programming on that so state bars across the country understand
Speaker 2: these issues, these new tools, and that they can be
Speaker 2: part of the solution.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's really interesting that you bring
Speaker 1: up big tobacco because as we have watched, you know,
Speaker 1: there be more mass shootings this year than days in
Speaker 1: the year thus far, and as more and more young people,
Speaker 1: particularly generate and Z who are I continue to say
Speaker 1: that they're on the front lines. You know of this,
Speaker 1: they're in you know, they're in UH school, whether that
Speaker 1: be you know, in finishing up in high school or
Speaker 1: in college. They are the generation that has lived through
Speaker 1: active shooter drills their whole life. But when you bring
Speaker 1: up big tobacco, you know, at one time, we thought
Speaker 1: that tobacco would never be sued, right, We thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, they're that this is just it's a too
Speaker 1: it's too big of an industry to take on. So
Speaker 1: can you talk about some of the similarities that you
Speaker 1: see in how UH legal outlets were able to pursue
Speaker 1: over many decades, right, able to pursue accountability on big tobacco,
Speaker 1: and how you can see some similarities in how that
Speaker 1: kind of strategy can be used UH with with guns.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So this theory of a change change kind of
Speaker 2: more generally is called industry accountability. And so that's the
Speaker 2: bucket we're in. And with Big Tobacco, you know, they
Speaker 2: were sued largely over sort of marketing to children, sort
Speaker 2: of all these reckless behaviors and practices. And then there
Speaker 2: was a consortium of attorney generals basically that got together
Speaker 2: to negotiate ultimately was what was the lasting you know,
Speaker 2: agreement to bring that industry into better compliance. And with
Speaker 2: the gun industry, the challenge is this betteral law called PLACA,
Speaker 2: the Protection of Lawful Commerce and Arms Act, and this
Speaker 2: gives a lot of protection even to behaviors that I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people would consider pretty irresponsible. And
Speaker 2: so the new approach, this is where we sort of
Speaker 2: divert from that tobacco model, is these new laws like
Speaker 2: New York's past and other sort of civil avenues towards accountability.
Speaker 2: And you know, it really is sort of a moment
Speaker 2: of like throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.
Speaker 2: Because these are new laws. Obviously they happened, you know,
Speaker 2: around the timeline of the Supreme Court's Bruin decision, which
Speaker 2: was a major blow to you know, progressive gun reforms.
Speaker 2: A really reckless decision, hard to justify or defend, but
Speaker 2: of course that's the court we have today. So warriors
Speaker 2: need to be really creative about you know, not only
Speaker 2: pushing back on that decision and sort of I think
Speaker 2: boxing really the Supreme Court into you know, a position
Speaker 2: where they can't reconcile that opinion with some future cases
Speaker 2: that are coming down the pipeline. But also see what
Speaker 2: these state laws and what state courts are willing to
Speaker 2: do and how they're willing to interpret and sort of
Speaker 2: take action on this issue. So it'll be kind of
Speaker 2: something to be watching very closely in coming years. At
Speaker 2: the same time, you know, once we find out that
Speaker 2: it works, will want to charge ahead. And as I
Speaker 2: sort of started, you know, we need law students and
Speaker 2: others to be engaged in this new legal space.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to touch on something for a moment,
Speaker 1: which is that you know, after the Tennessee mass shooting
Speaker 1: happened in at the elementary school, there was a state
Speaker 1: rep who went on air to say that he was
Speaker 1: contacted right away by the NRA, right reminding him and
Speaker 1: others how they had voted that they are being watched.
Speaker 1: How would you think about not only the manufacturers, not
Speaker 1: only the sellers, but how you would be able to
Speaker 1: sue to litigate against the NRA for what many have
Speaker 1: seen over decades as pressure campaigns, open threats that they
Speaker 1: have had. I mean they have been sued on or
Speaker 1: investigated over their tax filings and their business entities, but
Speaker 1: in their political lobbying and there and the stances that
Speaker 1: they had they have really changed strategies. So what would
Speaker 1: it look like to go after an NRA as a whole.
Speaker 2: Well, so, I think some in the gun movement have
Speaker 2: really done a good job sort of having the NRA
Speaker 2: on their back heels. You know, they have all those
Speaker 2: bankruptcy issues and we're sort of handling all the investigations. Man,
Speaker 2: you mentioned what the problem is for the NRA. I mean,
Speaker 2: the power that they wield is over these Republican politicians
Speaker 2: kind of acting you know, in state legislators and at
Speaker 2: the national level. And if you sort of you referenced, right,
Speaker 2: they just called that Tennessee longmaker. They also I just saw,
Speaker 2: you know, at their recent convention of sorts, you know,
Speaker 2: said let me remind you the power that we have
Speaker 2: over you in your careers. Basically a thread, I mean
Speaker 2: a blatant threat, and frankly, you know, knowing what the
Speaker 2: NRA is all about, perhaps a violent threat, you know
Speaker 2: if you read between the lines, and you don't have
Speaker 2: to read that closely. So it's a scary organization. I
Speaker 2: think the issue is really the manufacturers here are really
Speaker 2: the focus the NRA. Yeah, they are sort of this umbrella. Yes,
Speaker 2: they do wheel this political influence and power. At the
Speaker 2: same time, I'm not sure that they're moving the needle
Speaker 2: much on their end. In fact, they're kind of dying
Speaker 2: to some extent. I think the other thing, though, to
Speaker 2: be wary of, is also ghost guns are now a
Speaker 2: new phenomenon and a new problem that we have to
Speaker 2: regulate where that is very hard to get data on
Speaker 2: to hold those people accountable because they're hard to trace.
Speaker 2: And it's hard enough actually to bring these lawsuits as
Speaker 2: is with traditional guns, because the data and access to
Speaker 2: where the guns came from, who sold them, how the
Speaker 2: person that used them in a prime got them is
Speaker 2: very hard to access. Oftentimes law enforcement isn't forthcoming with
Speaker 2: that information. So it's a concern. And I think the
Speaker 2: other thing to think about is the extent that other
Speaker 2: states are responsible for damages caused in states with good
Speaker 2: gun laws. Right Like I know actually that there was
Speaker 2: a recent DC shooting, and of course I tweeted something
Speaker 2: about it, you know, got all the sort of right
Speaker 2: wingers to comment, you know, well, DC has such strong
Speaker 2: gun laws, you're an idiot. This proves that they don't work. Actually,
Speaker 2: Virginia has incredibly weak gun laws. Yes, and they did.
Speaker 2: We know the gun came from there. But you know,
Speaker 2: at least in New York, most crime guns come from
Speaker 2: out of state from state or gun laws, and so
Speaker 2: those states are, you know, causing crimes to happen in
Speaker 2: our state. We shouldn't accept that, and I think that
Speaker 2: should be sort of an issue that gets focused on more.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the kind of you know,
Speaker 1: show deforce of the Republican you know, potential candidates for
Speaker 1: president at the NRAs convention just you know, a week
Speaker 1: removed from the shooting in Kentucky, a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: removed from the shooting in Tennessee. What do you make
Speaker 1: of how also their relationship with the NRA. And then
Speaker 1: this young voting block gen Z that is very vocally
Speaker 1: anti gun.
Speaker 2: And of course they are because they're the so called
Speaker 2: mass shooting generation, right. I mean, we now have tests
Speaker 2: that survived a small shopping in k through twelve that
Speaker 2: are in college experience in a second school shooting. So
Speaker 2: it's just an insane level here. And when I make
Speaker 2: up sort of the question you asked is the gun
Speaker 2: industry has their own big lie, and that's the big
Speaker 2: lie that more guns mean more safe and it's actually
Speaker 2: the exact opposite. We have data to show more guns
Speaker 2: mean more death, more dangerous scenarios, more violence. So we
Speaker 2: need to debunk and unpack that big lie in a
Speaker 2: major way. Even with COVID, we saw with COVID major
Speaker 2: spike in gun sales because every time there's this sort
Speaker 2: of crisis where there is a shooting, you know, people
Speaker 2: run out and buy more guns because they think that's
Speaker 2: the solution, and it's absolutely not. And of course we've
Speaker 2: see now unfortunately, an example after example where there is
Speaker 2: a school security guard or there are sort of armed
Speaker 2: people on campus that do nothing to you know, protect
Speaker 2: students or help the situation at all. So that's the
Speaker 2: only solution that Republicans have offered, and it certainly, you know,
Speaker 2: is not an appropriate one. And I won't say the
Speaker 2: only one I saw on your TikTok you posted a
Speaker 2: video of this teacher kind of pulling out a sort
Speaker 2: of divider in the classroom.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, prompt the bulletproof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bulletproofs like build out in a classroom. You think
Speaker 2: that's the solution. I mean, it's absolute insanity, laughable that
Speaker 2: they're proposing things like that, and of course worth noting
Speaker 2: that those solutions are expensive and of course not going
Speaker 2: to be installed in any sort of poor, low income
Speaker 2: schools where a lot of these shootings are happening in
Speaker 2: public schools, another part of sort of the GOP's war
Speaker 2: on public education.
Speaker 1: I continue to say that we live in such a
Speaker 1: dangerous country. And one of the things that I am,
Speaker 1: you know, curious about is whether or not you're going
Speaker 1: to see other nations begin to issue travel warnings of
Speaker 1: coming to the United States because it is so dangerous
Speaker 1: in the way that they would issue travel ones, Oh,
Speaker 1: don't go to Mexico, don't go to Venezuela, don't go
Speaker 1: to Colombia because of you know, the war on you know,
Speaker 1: the drug wars and all of these things. And I
Speaker 1: think to myself, well, you can be in Texas, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: Florida and there are concealed weapons everywhere. What and those
Speaker 1: are destinations for you know, for a lot of travelers.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if that if a hit, if you know,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, if a hit to our tourism,
Speaker 1: if a hit to our true public image, you know,
Speaker 1: would be the thing that you would say, Oh, maybe
Speaker 1: this is when we make a pivot.
Speaker 2: I think that would be incredibly effective to quantify. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there are people already going through that sort of
Speaker 2: analysis and making those decisions. Now. Again, of course, media
Speaker 2: gets to drive a lot of these threads and narratives.
Speaker 2: But what would be interesting, I mean, how about a
Speaker 2: report on the different states that have been you know,
Speaker 2: suppressing rights and also having these insane gun laws and
Speaker 2: how that's impacted travel. Like I absolutely know at least
Speaker 2: five plus people that would have gone to Florida a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago that will no longer go there
Speaker 2: on vacation because they just are concerned about what might
Speaker 2: happen to them in that state. And I'm sure that's
Speaker 2: true of many other states where these sort of new,
Speaker 2: really reckless laws where the idea is to have guns
Speaker 2: literally everywhere is scary. Who wants to be around that.
Speaker 2: Who wants to go vacation with a million guns around them? Nobody?
Speaker 1: No, I mean, it doesn't sound like a place I
Speaker 1: want to travel to. Switching gears. We have been following
Speaker 1: on this show the Dominion lawsuit, the lawsuit that Dominion
Speaker 1: has filed against Fox for their consistent coverage of the
Speaker 1: Big Lie and wedding of the big line. And we've
Speaker 1: seen a lot in terms of depositions that have been
Speaker 1: leaked that tell us that Fox operates one way in
Speaker 1: private and a whole other way when they are in public.
Speaker 1: And just recently, without citing a reason, according to the AP,
Speaker 1: the Delaware judge that is overseeing the voting machine case
Speaker 1: that is a one point six billion dollar defamation lawsuit,
Speaker 1: has announced that he's delaying, uh the start of the
Speaker 1: trial until Tuesday. What do you make of the delay
Speaker 1: and what do you make of what we have learned
Speaker 1: thus far? The public has learned, I mean the public
Speaker 1: that doesn't watch Fox because we know they ain't covering it.
Speaker 1: But what do you make of what we've learned thus far?
Speaker 2: Although just on that point, it's amazing, you know, the
Speaker 2: situation Fox has gotten itself in because even Fox viewers,
Speaker 2: some percent of them, have said that they've lost trust
Speaker 2: in the network since this case has, you know, been brought.
Speaker 2: And I think, I think what I make of this
Speaker 2: delay is it does seem like, you know, the judge
Speaker 2: wouldn't allow for this delay if there wasn't some sort
Speaker 2: of real or credible, you know, sign from both sides
Speaker 2: that perhaps settlement negotiations were progressing in a positive way,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, you know, and you're seeing
Speaker 2: online already a lot of people and this is sort
Speaker 2: of the double edged swort, A unique example double edged
Speaker 2: sort of winning the court of public opinion. Is that
Speaker 2: so many people are excited about this case as an
Speaker 2: avenue to hold Dominion sorry, Fox News accountable and really
Speaker 2: don't want to see a settlement here, even though, of
Speaker 2: course you know often that is the case that we'll
Speaker 2: see a big case like this settle just before trials
Speaker 2: about to start. Now, to think about why dominion might
Speaker 2: settle and sort of the leverage they have here. They're
Speaker 2: suing for both economic damages and then punitive damages, and
Speaker 2: the distinction there is that you can really only recover
Speaker 2: your actual value lost under economic damages, but there's no
Speaker 2: capped punitive damages, so they could really settle for very
Speaker 2: high dollar amount and so obviously that's on the table now.
Speaker 2: I think what people like me are hoping to see
Speaker 2: in others who do want to see Fox held accountable
Speaker 2: is that if they were to settle, it would come
Speaker 2: with some sort of you know, ology requirements or statement
Speaker 2: or my personal preference that you know Tucker Carlson and
Speaker 2: all these other hosts have to get fired, that would
Speaker 2: be amazing. But so I think, you know, we might
Speaker 2: see some sort of creative settlement if we do see one.
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things too. And I have
Speaker 1: said this, and I know that the FCC does not
Speaker 1: cover uh uh a Fox and cable news in that
Speaker 1: in the in their jurisdiction, but you know, I have
Speaker 1: often said Kaibon that when we go when you watch shows,
Speaker 1: any streaming shows, you go to the movies, what have you,
Speaker 1: there's a warning right that comes up that says nudity,
Speaker 1: that says strong language, it says smoking is even present
Speaker 1: on a show. And that was a push, that was
Speaker 1: a lobbying effort over years and years and years. And
Speaker 1: I've said, why can't viewers of Fox. I'm not telling
Speaker 1: you what to watch, but you should know that what
Speaker 1: you're watching isn't news. And right before any Tucker Carlson show,
Speaker 1: any of these people's shows start, it should say right warning,
Speaker 1: this is for entertainment purposes only.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really great idea. And actually I
Speaker 2: think we see in the UK and other places they
Speaker 2: do take actions like that, and it is effective. What's
Speaker 2: even more, I think the point is that journalism is
Speaker 2: very much sort of a self verifying industry, just like
Speaker 2: and this is a function of Twitter sometimes for better
Speaker 2: and worse. It's kind of who do reporters the New
Speaker 2: York Times and the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post
Speaker 2: they are valid and accredited? Who does CNN have on?
Speaker 2: Who does MSNBC have on and say this is a
Speaker 2: legitimate reporter, who's part of our profession? You can trust them?
Speaker 2: And I think for far too long, other reporters established
Speaker 2: a mainstream institution and sort of under the guise of
Speaker 2: civility or professionalism from sort of misguided approach, have really
Speaker 2: embraced Fox News as colleagues, as you know, people they're
Speaker 2: gonna kind of go grab a beer with after covering
Speaker 2: a story. It's totally unacceptable and they're really betraying the
Speaker 2: American people by doing that. I understand you want to
Speaker 2: be nice to the guy sitting next to you at
Speaker 2: the press briefing, but you are betraying your duty as
Speaker 2: the fourth of State if you're going to pretend and
Speaker 2: tell people and legitimize this as a news organization. And
Speaker 2: let's be clear, there are no quote unquote real journalists
Speaker 2: at Fox News. I mean, as we've seen, right, Brett
Speaker 2: Beyers implicated in this lawsuit, that's their guy, that's their
Speaker 2: one example of a legitimate reporter that everyone always cites.
Speaker 2: He's a total hack. Why did we see Jake Tapper
Speaker 2: defending Fox News during the Obama administration?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: This is not new. They've been who they are forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, I think that again this swirl
Speaker 1: of kind of where we are, where we are? We
Speaker 1: started off, you know, talking about guns. We're talking about
Speaker 1: you know, the spread of misinformation and the fact that
Speaker 1: I think you know, and let me ask you this
Speaker 1: last question. Generation Z seems to be the generation that
Speaker 1: is actually not playing games that they are very conscious
Speaker 1: and aware because all of the bad decisions, bad policies
Speaker 1: they've had to live with and will live with into
Speaker 1: the future. So what do you see as it? Do
Speaker 1: you see hopefulness in this generation that they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to write the ship that has been so wrong?
Speaker 2: I absolutely have a lot of hope for even younger
Speaker 2: millennials and Gen Z. I think all generation and Gen
Speaker 2: Z have really have an insight that you know, the
Speaker 2: people in power, often older folks don't have. But I
Speaker 2: do worry that, you know, time is running out, Like
Speaker 2: people ask me, you know this all the time, are
Speaker 2: about climate change. All these issues so important, But right now, frankly,
Speaker 2: if Joe Biden does not win the twenty twenty four election,
Speaker 2: I don't have hope for any of those issues. I
Speaker 2: think our country will be in extreme peril. And I
Speaker 2: think one of the things that concerns me is there
Speaker 2: was all this urgency in twenty twenty when you still
Speaker 2: had Trump in the White House, and I think that
Speaker 2: was really in people's minds and in their face every
Speaker 2: single day. I think some people kind of feel there's
Speaker 2: been this sort of exhale moment where Joe Biden's been
Speaker 2: in office for a couple of years, you don't have
Speaker 2: sort of a tyrant in the White House, you know,
Speaker 2: destroying democracy from within day after day. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, you look across at what's happening at Tennessee,
Speaker 2: or you look at Republicans rallying behind a Black Lives
Speaker 2: Matter murderer, a guy that killed a Black Lives Matter protester,
Speaker 2: and now the governor of Texas just wants to pardon
Speaker 2: him because white supremacist Tuger Carlson demanded it, and that
Speaker 2: is psychotic. So I think I hope people understand that
Speaker 2: democracy is still in decline. We need so much more time.
Speaker 2: We absolutely not only need four for more years, We need,
Speaker 2: you know, probably a decade at least to course correct
Speaker 2: all of these issues, and not even just the issues,
Speaker 2: the policy issues and the laws that have been passed
Speaker 2: and the rulings that have been unethical, but to re
Speaker 2: educate our society because they've been poisoned by Fox News.
Speaker 2: They've been poisoned by Donald Trump over and over and
Speaker 2: that will be very hard work to undo.
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