WEBVTT - The Gun Industry's Big Lie 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.640 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.840 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.239 First off, I want to start with some lighthearted ness, 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.159 which is my God. Did you all check out the 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:30.240 White House Correspondence dinner over the weekend. I had the 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.920 lovely opportunity to be on air with my friend Amen 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:41.080 Mohedeen with a panel of just fantastic folks to talk about, 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.879 you know, the President's agenda, but then be able to 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:50.120 give live reactions following the set by President Biden and 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.360 then by comedian Roywood Junior. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:53.400 And I got to. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.200 Tell you, one of my co panelists had said that 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:03.240 he believes that this was President Biden's re election campaign launch, 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.920 and I got one hundred percent agree. I think that 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:13.240 Biden was funny as fuck. The jokes, particularly those that 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.840 landed on DeSantis, those of poking fun at himself with 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.120 regard to his age. I thought that he showed wit. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.959 I thought that he showed grit in terms of laying 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:30.000 out both the seriousness of bringing back Brittany Griner, the 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.040 seriousness of the protection of the First Amendment, and then 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.640 being able to weave in and out of jokes and 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.560 then kind of kid and joke around with the audience, 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.480 you know, off script. He really showed his nimbleness. And 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.959 I hope that we see that Joe Biden on the 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.320 campaign trail because of I think that if that Joe Biden, 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.280 you know, dark Brandon Frankly is on the campaign trail, 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.440 I don't think that Republicans stand a fucking chance. I 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.440 don't think that Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis stand a 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.480 fucking chance because he is a real person and not 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:10.280 some fucking culture war zombie. And I loved every moment 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.720 of it. And I was pleasantly as I have been 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.960 throughout this entire administration, pleasantly, pleasantly surprised in all the 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:22.280 right ways. I want to transition now, folks. Coming up 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:26.040 next is going to be our guest return guest, Kaivin Shroff, 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:31.560 who is a political influencer an attorney, talking about in 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:37.200 a lot of ways, one the rise in gun violence, 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:42.520 to the rise in violence against LGBTQ plus people, also 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.880 touching upon the dominion case. And just a note that 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:50.680 we pre recorded this interview before we knew how the 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.840 dominion case was going to turn out, so obviously you 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.200 all know now about the seven hundred and eighty seven 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.480 million dollar you know, settlement, as well as as the 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.840 continued fallout with regard to the firing of white supremacist 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:10.440 handmaid in Tucker Carlson. But I want to talk for 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:17.240 a moment about the attacks on the LGBTQ community, particularly 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:23.440 the attacks that we are seeing specifically targeted at trans youth. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:32.720 And I came across the most disgusting politician to date, 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.200 and that is, you know, really that it is. It 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.880 is a deep barrel to go in, you know, to 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:45.480 find and pick somebody out that is absolutely abhorrent. But 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.760 I got to tell you that Carrie Seekins Crow, Republican 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:56.440 outa Montana, takes the fucking cake. She is the sponsor 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:02.640 of a bill that would deny trans youth gender firming 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.320 care right. And what is gender firming care? It is 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.520 the ability to begin to take hormone blockers so that 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:16.400 you can fully be able to live within your own skin, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:23.200 right that you can be who you are. And I 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.720 just want folks, even if you are not a medical professional, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.559 if you you know, oh, I don't understand this quote 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.719 unquote trans thing. The only thing that you have to 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:39.320 understand is that when people tell you who they are, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.920 how they would like to be addressed, how they want 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.640 to show up in the world, and it is not 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.440 causing you harm, it is not causing your family harm. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.440 It doesn't present any ill will whatsoever except for you 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.840 to provide them with the dignity and the respect that 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.680 you would provide anybody else. And if you can't do that, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.760 then just you know, get the fuck out of their 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.320 way and allow trans people to be able to live 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.920 free in this quote unquote democracy. That's the only thing 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:14.039 that you really have to understand. Kerry Seekins Crow doesn't 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:18.000 understand that. Not only does she not understand it, but 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:23.080 when presented with the very real statistics that show that 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:28.279 trans people who are unable to receive that kind of 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:34.960 medical intervention, the rates of suicide skyrocket well above what 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:40.120 is the national norm. And when presented with that information 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:46.200 and also having lived with a daughter who apparently had 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:56.880 suicide ideations, she said this quote, I prefer my transgender 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:04.080 daughter commits suicide rather then allow her to transition. That is, 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:16.080 a city member of an elected body wishing death are 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:23.599 not only her daughter, but the entire trans population, rather 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:29.800 than allowing them to transition. No one should have the 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:34.760 authority and the power to stop people from becoming who 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:39.640 they fully are. She is not God, and even if 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:45.360 you are an atheist, who the fuck is she? When 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.600 I saw because here's a full video, folks, this is 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:53.480 just this is just one of the quotes of many 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.880 that she gave in a speech on the floor of 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:02.920 the Montana House. And I gotta say, what a absolute 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:11.120 piece of fucking garbage. These are people that call themselves 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:20.600 pro life. You are a pro death, hateful, immoral, fucking party. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.960 And it isn't just this woman. It is people that 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:28.320 vote for this woman. It is people that stand by 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.480 this party because they believe this toxic shit. This goes 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:38.760 along with fucking Greg Abbot, who was root the entire 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:44.240 time that the country is reeling from yet another mass 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:49.200 shooting story that when Greg Abbot finally says something about 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.080 the family that was gunned down, including a nine year 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:57.720 old fucking kid in their home, then he didn't refer 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.640 to those people by their name, He didn't refer to 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.640 them as neighbors, he didn't refer to them as humans 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.800 at all. He said that they were five I legal 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.280 immigrants that were killed. Fuck you, Greg Abbott. Fuck the 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:19.640 entire Republican Party. Fuck this woman, Kerry Seekins Crow. They 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:25.080 are waging war and we keep pretending that they can 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.080 be reasoned with. You cannot reason with somebody who wishes 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:36.880 death on their own fucking child. It makes me sick. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.720 It makes me ill. The kind of America that we 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.240 are living inside of right now because of their dark, twisted, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.920 fucking white evangelical Christian fantasy that they want the rest 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:58.080 of us to live in. It is a nightmare. But 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:03.840 this is who they are, So leave them. You cannot 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.600 change the hearts and minds of people that have no heart. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:19.240 Coming up next, my conversation with Kaivan Schroff, Folks, I 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.400 am so excited to welcome back to wok F a 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.959 daily Kaivon Schroff, who is a progressive influencer, New York 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.920 City based public interest attorney, Congrats UH and former Clinton 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:37.520 campaign alum. Kaivon, You're you're everywhere, and you're doing everything, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.800 but you just also recently finished a fellowship with every Town, 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.760 the gun right, the gun reform advocates, and so I 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.760 wanted to give you an opportunity to just share with 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.680 folks about what you were working on with them. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.160 Absolutely So, as we know, gun violence remains one of 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.720 our most pressing crises in the country, and there's strategies 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.480 that people have been thinking about to solve this problem. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.720 And we've seen over the COVID pandemic. Specifically, states like 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.280 New York and others passed these laws to try to 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.280 allow lawyers to hold the gun industry accountable, just as 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.640 we've done with big tobacco and the opioid industry, suing 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.560 for industry accountability. Unfortunately, there's sort of a roadblock to 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.400 this model because, unlike any other industry, the gun industry 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.800 is accorded special immunity by federal law. So these are 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.920 new laws that basically are workarounds and carve outs that 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.040 you can still sue retailers, sellers, manufacturers who you know 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.040 are targeting children or engaging in other reckless behaviors that 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.280 contribute to gun violence. Now, the main problem with this 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.160 idea is that we don't have a supply a pipeline 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.080 of talent to become the next generation of gun violence 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.040 prevention litigators. So, as sus mentioned that I just graduated 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.720 law school last year and recently became an attorney, you know, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.240 there was no clinic on gun violence. You know, you 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.400 have an immigration clinic, women's rights clinics, really important clinics, 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.400 but this is also a really important issue, and particularly 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.959 an issue that gen Z now of law school age 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.600 is incredibly passionate about. So I think it's a real 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.840 missed opportunity, and you know, perhaps we're harshly a dereliction 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.720 of duty to not have a class, a clinic, some 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.360 resources for students to plug in learn how they can 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.160 be part of this movement in a major way using 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.840 the law as a tool. And you know, beyond law schools, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.319 of course, you know, we need big law firms to 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.920 jump in on this and give pro bono time and hours, 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.040 and you know every lawyer has to do what we 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.559 call cle continuing legal education, and you know we need 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.760 programming on that so state bars across the country understand 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.720 these issues, these new tools, and that they can be 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:42.520 part of the solution. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.640 You know, I think it's really interesting that you bring 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.440 up big tobacco because as we have watched, you know, 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.600 there be more mass shootings this year than days in 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:58.839 the year thus far, and as more and more young people, 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.920 particularly generate and Z who are I continue to say 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.440 that they're on the front lines. You know of this, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:10.320 they're in you know, they're in UH school, whether that 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.199 be you know, in finishing up in high school or 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:18.280 in college. They are the generation that has lived through 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.200 active shooter drills their whole life. But when you bring 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:26.160 up big tobacco, you know, at one time, we thought 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.200 that tobacco would never be sued, right, We thought that, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.520 you know, they're that this is just it's a too 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.360 it's too big of an industry to take on. So 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.480 can you talk about some of the similarities that you 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:43.520 see in how UH legal outlets were able to pursue 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:49.400 over many decades, right, able to pursue accountability on big tobacco, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.920 and how you can see some similarities in how that 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.960 kind of strategy can be used UH with with guns. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.640 Absolutely. So this theory of a change change kind of 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.040 more generally is called industry accountability. And so that's the 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.719 bucket we're in. And with Big Tobacco, you know, they 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.880 were sued largely over sort of marketing to children, sort 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.560 of all these reckless behaviors and practices. And then there 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.920 was a consortium of attorney generals basically that got together 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:21.000 to negotiate ultimately was what was the lasting you know, 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:26.440 agreement to bring that industry into better compliance. And with 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.079 the gun industry, the challenge is this betteral law called PLACA, 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.760 the Protection of Lawful Commerce and Arms Act, and this 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.480 gives a lot of protection even to behaviors that I 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.240 think a lot of people would consider pretty irresponsible. And 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.400 so the new approach, this is where we sort of 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.360 divert from that tobacco model, is these new laws like 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.480 New York's past and other sort of civil avenues towards accountability. 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.160 And you know, it really is sort of a moment 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.439 of like throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.960 Because these are new laws. Obviously they happened, you know, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.120 around the timeline of the Supreme Court's Bruin decision, which 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.720 was a major blow to you know, progressive gun reforms. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.920 A really reckless decision, hard to justify or defend, but 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.079 of course that's the court we have today. So warriors 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.080 need to be really creative about you know, not only 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.120 pushing back on that decision and sort of I think 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.360 boxing really the Supreme Court into you know, a position 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.920 where they can't reconcile that opinion with some future cases 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.320 that are coming down the pipeline. But also see what 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.840 these state laws and what state courts are willing to 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.040 do and how they're willing to interpret and sort of 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.880 take action on this issue. So it'll be kind of 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.880 something to be watching very closely in coming years. At 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.840 the same time, you know, once we find out that 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.520 it works, will want to charge ahead. And as I 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.720 sort of started, you know, we need law students and 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.760 others to be engaged in this new legal space. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.880 You know, I want to touch on something for a moment, 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.480 which is that you know, after the Tennessee mass shooting 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:10.120 happened in at the elementary school, there was a state 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.000 rep who went on air to say that he was 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:19.560 contacted right away by the NRA, right reminding him and 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.800 others how they had voted that they are being watched. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:29.320 How would you think about not only the manufacturers, not 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.880 only the sellers, but how you would be able to 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.880 sue to litigate against the NRA for what many have 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:44.520 seen over decades as pressure campaigns, open threats that they 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.160 have had. I mean they have been sued on or 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:51.520 investigated over their tax filings and their business entities, but 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.320 in their political lobbying and there and the stances that 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.760 they had they have really changed strategies. So what would 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.640 it look like to go after an NRA as a whole. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.200 Well, so, I think some in the gun movement have 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.760 really done a good job sort of having the NRA 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.760 on their back heels. You know, they have all those 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.680 bankruptcy issues and we're sort of handling all the investigations. Man, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.200 you mentioned what the problem is for the NRA. I mean, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.120 the power that they wield is over these Republican politicians 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.600 kind of acting you know, in state legislators and at 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.360 the national level. And if you sort of you referenced, right, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.520 they just called that Tennessee longmaker. They also I just saw, 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.360 you know, at their recent convention of sorts, you know, 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.040 said let me remind you the power that we have 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.120 over you in your careers. Basically a thread, I mean 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.160 a blatant threat, and frankly, you know, knowing what the 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.280 NRA is all about, perhaps a violent threat, you know 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.240 if you read between the lines, and you don't have 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:54.120 to read that closely. So it's a scary organization. I 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:58.160 think the issue is really the manufacturers here are really 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.520 the focus the NRA. Yeah, they are sort of this umbrella. Yes, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.359 they do wheel this political influence and power. At the 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.800 same time, I'm not sure that they're moving the needle 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.600 much on their end. In fact, they're kind of dying 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.800 to some extent. I think the other thing, though, to 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.600 be wary of, is also ghost guns are now a 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.919 new phenomenon and a new problem that we have to 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.080 regulate where that is very hard to get data on 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.520 to hold those people accountable because they're hard to trace. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.000 And it's hard enough actually to bring these lawsuits as 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.560 is with traditional guns, because the data and access to 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.399 where the guns came from, who sold them, how the 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.879 person that used them in a prime got them is 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.000 very hard to access. Oftentimes law enforcement isn't forthcoming with 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.679 that information. So it's a concern. And I think the 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.280 other thing to think about is the extent that other 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:55.000 states are responsible for damages caused in states with good 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.920 gun laws. Right Like I know actually that there was 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.400 a recent DC shooting, and of course I tweeted something 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.760 about it, you know, got all the sort of right 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.520 wingers to comment, you know, well, DC has such strong 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.440 gun laws, you're an idiot. This proves that they don't work. Actually, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.040 Virginia has incredibly weak gun laws. Yes, and they did. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:11.840 We know the gun came from there. But you know, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.160 at least in New York, most crime guns come from 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.960 out of state from state or gun laws, and so 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.359 those states are, you know, causing crimes to happen in 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.600 our state. We shouldn't accept that, and I think that 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.160 should be sort of an issue that gets focused on more. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.639 What do you think about the kind of you know, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:37.480 show deforce of the Republican you know, potential candidates for 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:42.720 president at the NRAs convention just you know, a week 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.359 removed from the shooting in Kentucky, a couple of weeks 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.640 removed from the shooting in Tennessee. What do you make 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:57.280 of how also their relationship with the NRA. And then 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:03.040 this young voting block gen Z that is very vocally 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:05.119 anti gun. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.960 And of course they are because they're the so called 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.520 mass shooting generation, right. I mean, we now have tests 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.639 that survived a small shopping in k through twelve that 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.760 are in college experience in a second school shooting. So 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.000 it's just an insane level here. And when I make 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.640 up sort of the question you asked is the gun 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.760 industry has their own big lie, and that's the big 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.400 lie that more guns mean more safe and it's actually 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.520 the exact opposite. We have data to show more guns 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.040 mean more death, more dangerous scenarios, more violence. So we 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.000 need to debunk and unpack that big lie in a 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.119 major way. Even with COVID, we saw with COVID major 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.800 spike in gun sales because every time there's this sort 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.960 of crisis where there is a shooting, you know, people 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.440 run out and buy more guns because they think that's 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.720 the solution, and it's absolutely not. And of course we've 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.800 see now unfortunately, an example after example where there is 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.520 a school security guard or there are sort of armed 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.679 people on campus that do nothing to you know, protect 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.239 students or help the situation at all. So that's the 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.399 only solution that Republicans have offered, and it certainly, you know, 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.199 is not an appropriate one. And I won't say the 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.119 only one I saw on your TikTok you posted a 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.480 video of this teacher kind of pulling out a sort 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.880 of divider in the classroom. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.880 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, prompt the bulletproof. 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.320 Yeah, bulletproofs like build out in a classroom. You think 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.080 that's the solution. I mean, it's absolute insanity, laughable that 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.879 they're proposing things like that, and of course worth noting 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.479 that those solutions are expensive and of course not going 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.399 to be installed in any sort of poor, low income 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.760 schools where a lot of these shootings are happening in 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.520 public schools, another part of sort of the GOP's war 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:48.520 on public education. 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.919 I continue to say that we live in such a 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.800 dangerous country. And one of the things that I am, 0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:00.680 you know, curious about is whether or not you're going 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.479 to see other nations begin to issue travel warnings of 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.320 coming to the United States because it is so dangerous 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.280 in the way that they would issue travel ones, Oh, 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.520 don't go to Mexico, don't go to Venezuela, don't go 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.119 to Colombia because of you know, the war on you know, 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.119 the drug wars and all of these things. And I 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:24.840 think to myself, well, you can be in Texas, Tennessee, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.320 Florida and there are concealed weapons everywhere. What and those 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.720 are destinations for you know, for a lot of travelers. 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:36.320 And I wonder if that if a hit, if you know, 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.360 let me ask you this, if a hit to our tourism, 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.399 if a hit to our true public image, you know, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.080 would be the thing that you would say, Oh, maybe 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:49.040 this is when we make a pivot. 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.480 I think that would be incredibly effective to quantify. I'm 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.840 sure there are people already going through that sort of 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.359 analysis and making those decisions. Now. Again, of course, media 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.359 gets to drive a lot of these threads and narratives. 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.240 But what would be interesting, I mean, how about a 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:05.040 report on the different states that have been you know, 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.040 suppressing rights and also having these insane gun laws and 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.960 how that's impacted travel. Like I absolutely know at least 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.920 five plus people that would have gone to Florida a 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.320 couple of years ago that will no longer go there 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.880 on vacation because they just are concerned about what might 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.160 happen to them in that state. And I'm sure that's 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.640 true of many other states where these sort of new, 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.200 really reckless laws where the idea is to have guns 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:34.119 literally everywhere is scary. Who wants to be around that. 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.520 Who wants to go vacation with a million guns around them? Nobody? 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.000 No, I mean, it doesn't sound like a place I 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:46.360 want to travel to. Switching gears. We have been following 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:53.080 on this show the Dominion lawsuit, the lawsuit that Dominion 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:58.879 has filed against Fox for their consistent coverage of the 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.600 Big Lie and wedding of the big line. And we've 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.680 seen a lot in terms of depositions that have been 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:08.359 leaked that tell us that Fox operates one way in 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:12.040 private and a whole other way when they are in public. 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:18.200 And just recently, without citing a reason, according to the AP, 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:22.840 the Delaware judge that is overseeing the voting machine case 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.280 that is a one point six billion dollar defamation lawsuit, 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:31.000 has announced that he's delaying, uh the start of the 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:36.520 trial until Tuesday. What do you make of the delay 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.000 and what do you make of what we have learned 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.959 thus far? The public has learned, I mean the public 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.320 that doesn't watch Fox because we know they ain't covering it. 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.160 But what do you make of what we've learned thus far? 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.280 Although just on that point, it's amazing, you know, the 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.760 situation Fox has gotten itself in because even Fox viewers, 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.040 some percent of them, have said that they've lost trust 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.199 in the network since this case has, you know, been brought. 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:00.959 And I think, I think what I make of this 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.320 delay is it does seem like, you know, the judge 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.200 wouldn't allow for this delay if there wasn't some sort 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:10.720 of real or credible, you know, sign from both sides 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:15.119 that perhaps settlement negotiations were progressing in a positive way, 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:17.600 but at the same time, you know, and you're seeing 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.880 online already a lot of people and this is sort 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.760 of the double edged swort, A unique example double edged 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.800 sort of winning the court of public opinion. Is that 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.800 so many people are excited about this case as an 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:33.520 avenue to hold Dominion sorry, Fox News accountable and really 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:35.439 don't want to see a settlement here, even though, of 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.480 course you know often that is the case that we'll 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.120 see a big case like this settle just before trials 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.480 about to start. Now, to think about why dominion might 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.680 settle and sort of the leverage they have here. They're 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:49.399 suing for both economic damages and then punitive damages, and 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.440 the distinction there is that you can really only recover 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.760 your actual value lost under economic damages, but there's no 0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.560 capped punitive damages, so they could really settle for very 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:05.120 high dollar amount and so obviously that's on the table now. 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.040 I think what people like me are hoping to see 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.520 in others who do want to see Fox held accountable 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.360 is that if they were to settle, it would come 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:15.080 with some sort of you know, ology requirements or statement 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.560 or my personal preference that you know Tucker Carlson and 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.200 all these other hosts have to get fired, that would 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.960 be amazing. But so I think, you know, we might 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.960 see some sort of creative settlement if we do see one. 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:31.520 You know, one of the things too. And I have 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.600 said this, and I know that the FCC does not 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:38.680 cover uh uh a Fox and cable news in that 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.639