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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: First off, I want to start with some lighthearted ness,

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Speaker 1: which is my God. Did you all check out the

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Speaker 1: White House Correspondence dinner over the weekend. I had the

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Speaker 1: lovely opportunity to be on air with my friend Amen

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Speaker 1: Mohedeen with a panel of just fantastic folks to talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the President's agenda, but then be able to

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Speaker 1: give live reactions following the set by President Biden and

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Speaker 1: then by comedian Roywood Junior.

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Speaker 2: And I got to.

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Speaker 1: Tell you, one of my co panelists had said that

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Speaker 1: he believes that this was President Biden's re election campaign launch,

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Speaker 1: and I got one hundred percent agree. I think that

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Speaker 1: Biden was funny as fuck. The jokes, particularly those that

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Speaker 1: landed on DeSantis, those of poking fun at himself with

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Speaker 1: I thought that he showed grit in terms of laying

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Speaker 1: out both the seriousness of bringing back Brittany Griner, the

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Speaker 1: seriousness of the protection of the First Amendment, and then

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Speaker 1: being able to weave in and out of jokes and

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Speaker 1: then kind of kid and joke around with the audience,

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Speaker 1: you know, off script. He really showed his nimbleness. And

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Speaker 1: I hope that we see that Joe Biden on the

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Speaker 1: campaign trail because of I think that if that Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: you know, dark Brandon Frankly is on the campaign trail,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that Republicans stand a fucking chance. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis stand a

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Speaker 1: fucking chance because he is a real person and not

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Speaker 1: some fucking culture war zombie. And I loved every moment

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Speaker 1: throughout this entire administration, pleasantly, pleasantly surprised in all the

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Speaker 1: right ways. I want to transition now, folks. Coming up

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Speaker 1: next is going to be our guest return guest, Kaivin Shroff,

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Speaker 1: who is a political influencer an attorney, talking about in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, one the rise in gun violence,

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Speaker 1: to the rise in violence against LGBTQ plus people, also

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Speaker 1: touching upon the dominion case. And just a note that

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Speaker 1: we pre recorded this interview before we knew how the

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Speaker 1: dominion case was going to turn out, so obviously you

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Speaker 1: all know now about the seven hundred and eighty seven

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Speaker 1: million dollar you know, settlement, as well as as the

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Speaker 1: continued fallout with regard to the firing of white supremacist

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Speaker 1: handmaid in Tucker Carlson. But I want to talk for

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Speaker 1: a moment about the attacks on the LGBTQ community, particularly

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Speaker 1: the attacks that we are seeing specifically targeted at trans youth.

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Speaker 1: And I came across the most disgusting politician to date,

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Speaker 1: and that is, you know, really that it is. It

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Speaker 1: is a deep barrel to go in, you know, to

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Speaker 1: find and pick somebody out that is absolutely abhorrent. But

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you that Carrie Seekins Crow, Republican

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Speaker 1: outa Montana, takes the fucking cake. She is the sponsor

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Speaker 1: of a bill that would deny trans youth gender firming

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Speaker 1: care right. And what is gender firming care? It is

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Speaker 1: the ability to begin to take hormone blockers so that

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Speaker 1: you can fully be able to live within your own skin,

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Speaker 1: right that you can be who you are. And I

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Speaker 1: just want folks, even if you are not a medical professional,

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Speaker 1: if you you know, oh, I don't understand this quote

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Speaker 1: understand is that when people tell you who they are,

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Speaker 1: how they would like to be addressed, how they want

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Speaker 1: causing you harm, it is not causing your family harm.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't present any ill will whatsoever except for you

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Speaker 1: to provide them with the dignity and the respect that

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Speaker 1: free in this quote unquote democracy. That's the only thing

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Speaker 1: that you really have to understand. Kerry Seekins Crow doesn't

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Speaker 1: understand that. Not only does she not understand it, but

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Speaker 1: when presented with the very real statistics that show that

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Speaker 1: trans people who are unable to receive that kind of

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Speaker 1: medical intervention, the rates of suicide skyrocket well above what

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Speaker 1: and also having lived with a daughter who apparently had

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Speaker 1: suicide ideations, she said this quote, I prefer my transgender

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Speaker 1: a city member of an elected body wishing death are

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Speaker 1: not only her daughter, but the entire trans population, rather

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Speaker 1: than allowing them to transition. No one should have the

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Speaker 1: they fully are. She is not God, and even if

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Speaker 1: the Montana House. And I gotta say, what a absolute

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Speaker 1: piece of fucking garbage. These are people that call themselves

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Speaker 1: pro life. You are a pro death, hateful, immoral, fucking party.

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Speaker 1: And it isn't just this woman. It is people that

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Speaker 1: this party because they believe this toxic shit. This goes

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Speaker 1: along with fucking Greg Abbot, who was root the entire

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Speaker 1: time that the country is reeling from yet another mass

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Speaker 1: shooting story that when Greg Abbot finally says something about

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Speaker 1: the family that was gunned down, including a nine year

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Speaker 1: immigrants that were killed. Fuck you, Greg Abbott. Fuck the

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Speaker 1: entire Republican Party. Fuck this woman, Kerry Seekins Crow. They

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Speaker 1: are waging war and we keep pretending that they can

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Speaker 1: be reasoned with. You cannot reason with somebody who wishes

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Speaker 1: death on their own fucking child. It makes me sick.

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Speaker 1: It makes me ill. The kind of America that we

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Speaker 1: this is who they are, So leave them. You cannot

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Speaker 1: change the hearts and minds of people that have no heart.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with Kaivan Schroff, Folks, I

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Speaker 1: am so excited to welcome back to wok F a

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Speaker 1: daily Kaivon Schroff, who is a progressive influencer, New York

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Speaker 1: City based public interest attorney, Congrats UH and former Clinton

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Speaker 1: campaign alum. Kaivon, You're you're everywhere, and you're doing everything,

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Speaker 1: but you just also recently finished a fellowship with every Town,

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Speaker 1: the gun right, the gun reform advocates, and so I

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Speaker 1: wanted to give you an opportunity to just share with

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Speaker 2: Absolutely So, as we know, gun violence remains one of

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Speaker 2: our most pressing crises in the country, and there's strategies

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Speaker 2: And we've seen over the COVID pandemic. Specifically, states like

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Speaker 2: allow lawyers to hold the gun industry accountable, just as

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Speaker 2: we've done with big tobacco and the opioid industry, suing

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Speaker 2: for industry accountability. Unfortunately, there's sort of a roadblock to

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Speaker 2: you can still sue retailers, sellers, manufacturers who you know

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Speaker 2: are targeting children or engaging in other reckless behaviors that

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Speaker 2: contribute to gun violence. Now, the main problem with this

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Speaker 2: prevention litigators. So, as sus mentioned that I just graduated

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Speaker 2: law school last year and recently became an attorney, you know,

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Speaker 2: there was no clinic on gun violence. You know, you

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Speaker 2: have an immigration clinic, women's rights clinics, really important clinics,

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Speaker 2: but this is also a really important issue, and particularly

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Speaker 2: missed opportunity, and you know, perhaps we're harshly a dereliction

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Speaker 2: of duty to not have a class, a clinic, some

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Speaker 2: and you know every lawyer has to do what we

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Speaker 2: call cle continuing legal education, and you know we need

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's really interesting that you bring

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Speaker 1: up big tobacco because as we have watched, you know,

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Speaker 1: that they're on the front lines. You know of this,

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Speaker 1: active shooter drills their whole life. But when you bring

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Speaker 1: up big tobacco, you know, at one time, we thought

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Speaker 1: you know, they're that this is just it's a too

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Speaker 1: it's too big of an industry to take on. So

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Speaker 1: can you talk about some of the similarities that you

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Speaker 1: see in how UH legal outlets were able to pursue

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Speaker 1: over many decades, right, able to pursue accountability on big tobacco,

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Speaker 1: and how you can see some similarities in how that

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. So this theory of a change change kind of

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Speaker 2: the Protection of Lawful Commerce and Arms Act, and this

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Speaker 2: so the new approach, this is where we sort of

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Speaker 2: New York's past and other sort of civil avenues towards accountability.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it really is sort of a moment

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Speaker 2: Because these are new laws. Obviously they happened, you know,

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Speaker 2: something to be watching very closely in coming years. At

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Speaker 2: the fourth of State if you're going to pretend and

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Speaker 2: let's be clear, there are no quote unquote real journalists

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Speaker 2: at Fox News. I mean, as we've seen, right, Brett

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Speaker 2: Beyers implicated in this lawsuit, that's their guy, that's their

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Speaker 2: one example of a legitimate reporter that everyone always cites.

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Speaker 2: He's a total hack. Why did we see Jake Tapper

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Speaker 2: defending Fox News during the Obama administration?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: This is not new. They've been who they are forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, I think that again this swirl

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Speaker 1: I think you know, and let me ask you this

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Speaker 1: last question. Generation Z seems to be the generation that

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Speaker 1: is actually not playing games that they are very conscious

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Speaker 1: the future. So what do you see as it? Do

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Speaker 2: I absolutely have a lot of hope for even younger

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Speaker 2: millennials and Gen Z. I think all generation and Gen

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Speaker 2: Z have really have an insight that you know, the

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Speaker 2: do worry that, you know, time is running out, Like

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Speaker 2: people ask me, you know this all the time, are

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Speaker 2: about climate change. All these issues so important, But right now, frankly,

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Speaker 2: if Joe Biden does not win the twenty twenty four election,

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Speaker 2: I don't have hope for any of those issues. I

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Speaker 2: sort of a tyrant in the White House, you know,

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Speaker 2: destroying democracy from within day after day. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, you look across at what's happening at Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: or you look at Republicans rallying behind a Black Lives

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Speaker 2: Matter murderer, a guy that killed a Black Lives Matter protester,

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Speaker 2: and now the governor of Texas just wants to pardon

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Speaker 2: him because white supremacist Tuger Carlson demanded it, and that

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Speaker 2: democracy is still in decline. We need so much more time.

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Speaker 2: We absolutely not only need four for more years, We need,

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Speaker 2: you know, probably a decade at least to course correct

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Speaker 2: all of these issues, and not even just the issues,

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Speaker 2: the policy issues and the laws that have been passed

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Speaker 2: and the rulings that have been unethical, but to re

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Speaker 2: educate our society because they've been poisoned by Fox News.

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Speaker 2: They've been poisoned by Donald Trump over and over and

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Speaker 2: that will be very hard work to undo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kaiwan as always, thank you so much for making

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Speaker 1: the time to join WOKF tell people how to follow

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Speaker 1: you and how to keep up with all the latest.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you friend, Thank you so much for making the time.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on wo

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Speaker 1: k F as always, power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people. Power to get woke and stay woke

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Speaker 1: as fuck.