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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I've never told your production if I heart ideas has

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Speaker 1: to work. Today we are talking about one of my

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Speaker 1: And while yes, I could just talk about Harry Potter,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna look at women and feminism of Harry pottermatic yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and bonus Jane are discussion, yes, which I love. But

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Speaker 1: I also love Harry Potter, so I'm not. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why I'm acting so cool about it, because I do.

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Speaker 1: I really you and I bonded the fact that I

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Speaker 1: see your subtle job, not subtle job. I am may

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Speaker 1: a people who love things, and I love Harry Potter. Um.

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Speaker 1: It was and slashed still is because my mom. You know,

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Speaker 1: when she likes something, it's forever, it's my thingy. Every

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Speaker 1: year she gives Harry Potter. So no, every time I

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Speaker 1: I know her Mom's going to get her like everything,

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Speaker 1: so that's fine. She's covered from probably mid middle of

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Speaker 1: middle school to high school. Every year she got me

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Speaker 1: these really ornate Harry Potter snow globes. They're awesome and

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with them because my

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Speaker 1: best for you. Wouldn't it snowlo taped to the wall?

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Speaker 1: Nothing could go wrong. UM. I will say you are

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of loves that's very tangible, which

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Speaker 1: is really nice. So thank you for being that person.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, I did it all for you. UM.

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Speaker 1: So there are a few significant moments in my life that, um,

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Speaker 1: certain trips I take I took that were for Harry Potter.

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Speaker 1: There were for other things, right, but Harry Potter was

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Speaker 1: viewing of Harry Potter, Harry Potter and Goblet of Fire.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think got me into starting. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: We're not the only people who like Harry Potter. Surprise, surprise. Um.

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Speaker 1: The first book, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, came

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Speaker 1: be compassionate to one of these two women. And you know,

430
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Speaker 1: I remember the chapter with um when do we get

431
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Speaker 1: introduced to Dabby, but to me as the only woman

432
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Speaker 1: in that chapter? UM. And so it's it has forced

433
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Speaker 1: me to list up women the way that we know

434
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Speaker 1: that women are on the outside of um, of board

435
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Speaker 1: room tables and on the outside of a lot of decisions.

436
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Speaker 1: It's forced me to It's forced me to pay attention

437
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: to the woman on the outside, the men in the middle. Yeah,

438
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: I before we did this, I made a list of

439
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Speaker 1: all the female characters and I was just thinking about Okay,

440
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: but well, how could I look at this one like

441
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: as a through feminism lens of feminism? And before I

442
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: came in here, I read so many research papers, mostly

443
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: about her mining and it was very heated. I was

444
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of surprised at the ongoing debate about her character.

445
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Speaker 1: Was one of the things, whether she should have been

446
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Speaker 1: with Harry Ron. No, most of it was actually like

447
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: out of context. She cried this one time she was perfect,

448
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: everyone made. I mean, she's obviously not perfect. She's actually

449
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Speaker 1: quite violent and can be horrible, and what she does

450
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: to marry out an edge Stone is unforgivable. She's wonderful,

451
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Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, yeah, so her money. Yeah, she's the

452
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Speaker 1: source of a lot of debate because she is the

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Speaker 1: primary female character in the books. Um. In my personal take,

454
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Speaker 1: when I was reading all of this criticism of her,

455
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: I do feel like they took it out of context

456
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: and didn't look within the arc of her whole character

457
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Speaker 1: in all of the books, because she does start out

458
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: kind of being damseled. She's got a crush on Lockhart.

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Speaker 1: But like if I examined one instance from when I

460
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Speaker 1: was that age, I wasn't like a super feminist. She

461
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: was one that came to the rescue almost every time,

462
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: no matter what situation was happening. Yes, so yeah, let's

463
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Speaker 1: talk about her money. You look so excused. I wish

464
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: you could see her face right now. She's just grinning

465
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Speaker 1: from ear to ear. It so excited right now. I mean,

466
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: my job's middle name is how MONI there. I love

467
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: Harry Potter too. I don't know if I'm any level

468
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: of Harry Potter. She definitely wears all the gear. But

469
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Speaker 1: I definitely do know all all the books and did

470
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Speaker 1: love love everything about it. And I did love also,

471
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Just to put this in context, that it did grow.

472
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: Each book grew with the age of the children and

473
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: the like. The darkness and the depth of it grew

474
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: with all of it, which is very fun. But yeah,

475
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about her money. I think for me, one

476
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: of the first things I think of her money is

477
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: she's so smart, such a badass. They would have died

478
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Speaker 1: without her. And the interesting thing there is some people

479
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: criticize that because she was had the higher expectations placed

480
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: on her. If she hadn't done packed the bag and

481
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: definitely Hallows for example, what would they have done? Um,

482
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: So she was just expected to. And she even complains

483
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: about that. And that's the interesting thing about her or

484
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: one of them, because she is in many ways interesting.

485
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: But she calls it out, and she calls out multiple

486
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: kind of gender stereotypes that they're placing on her throughout

487
00:27:53,320 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: the series, Um, which is it's self away are in

488
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: a way like, yes, this is a problematic thing, but

489
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Speaker 1: I recognize it's a problematic thing. Well, I don't think

490
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: it's the boys aren't supposed to be like super fun

491
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: about right, it's exposing a dynamic. But I think there's

492
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Speaker 1: absolutely the case. And the characters are supposed to be

493
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Speaker 1: some my understanding, even a couple of years older, are

494
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Speaker 1: you and um? Because I think that right, like they

495
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: were born in nineteen and so you know that these

496
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: are like Scarry's realistic conversations with young people we're having,

497
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: right Like, why should I do that? Because in the goal, um,

498
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: and so I think that they are discovering their voices.

499
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: And I also think that, you know, I think that's

500
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: the thinking about her mine as a black character. It's

501
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: also really helpful because it would in some ways triple

502
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: justify all the tacks on her of being novel born

503
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: in a visiting world of being a woman in a

504
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: man's world and then being a black witch in England.

505
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: I think, of course she's going to be in this

506
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: accomplished young woman very I mean, she's growing it, but

507
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: she of course that wasn't harder than anybody else if

508
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: she has all of that to carry on her. Um

509
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think the boys are good for her.

510
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: But I also think that we all sometimes have done

511
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Speaker 1: run type of boys in our lives. And I don't

512
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: think she's a problematic character. I think she's a complicated character.

513
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: I agree. Um, I definitely didn't read and I haven't

514
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: read them again since I mean a couple of years,

515
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: but I read them like twenty times when I was

516
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Speaker 1: a kid, and I never was reading it like she

517
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: was just as strong as character, like that's that's what

518
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: I took from it. And I always thought she was

519
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: working hard because she was a muggle morn and she

520
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: did have something she felt like she had something prove.

521
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: But also she just really was into it right exactly,

522
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: which the real personalities apparently. But yeah, she was a

523
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: nerd type of personality who absolutely wanted to make sure

524
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: she was on point at all times. Yeah, which most

525
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: successful women or those who identifies fimls have to be

526
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Speaker 1: to prove that they can do something, that they have

527
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: to be a hundred sure that they can prove themselves

528
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Speaker 1: before they speak out loud, which is absolutely reflected with

529
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Speaker 1: her mind's character. And I was so interesting that the

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Speaker 1: fist comparisoned me with him the book Ernie mcnellan, who's

531
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Speaker 1: also like studier and um in bad being right about

532
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: ever last thing, and he does not come off while

533
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: as a character um he becomes prefactive apple path. He

534
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Speaker 1: you know, he's the only one who made sit into

535
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: potions in a couple of tis in the sixth year.

536
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: And so as far as the direct comparison to her money,

537
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: we see a boy who is, as you know, obsessed

538
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Speaker 1: with success, and I think that he's written, um, just

539
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: as like snivelly as her money is. So I don't

540
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: think that there's like a sex gendered access to that.

541
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: I think there's sexism in the book, but I don't

542
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: think that books right. I feel like in the book

543
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: that had the most problematic issues with the girlfriends, the

544
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: Ron's girlfriend and then um Harry's girlfriend what's her name? Yeah,

545
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: in which they are seeing a shrill and overly jealous,

546
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: which like they kind of compete with Hermione almost as

547
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: a pitted woman gets a girl gets a girl, which

548
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: was always bothered me the most was like, why do

549
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: they have to all hate each other? I think that's

550
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: exactly right, especially lading to her, who is written for

551
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: a laugh and um, really Want is terrible to her,

552
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Want is using her to make her money is Alas

553
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: because he's Stiffy feels not stilly, he's feels ashamed about

554
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: the fact that he hasn't kissed anybody in her money,

555
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: has kissed pictor m and he just uses her and

556
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: then the book mocks her and it's really terrible and

557
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: then she dies. I mean, it's just it's really Lavender

558
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: gets the real short end of this day. Luckily, Sam

559
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: fiction I think has resurrected Lavender to a large extent,

560
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: but the books don't do her any favors. Have you

561
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Speaker 1: any included her in your fan fiction Lavender at any point,

562
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: so I've written, Harry Putter fan fiction. I don't know

563
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: why some manth is bringing this up right now, because

564
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: she brought up and you do a really great job

565
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: with fan faction, I understand. So I actually really don't

566
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: like romance. The lavender never featured, but maybe I should

567
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: give her a redemptive arc um Are her money do

568
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: some kind of adventure together? Maybe my favorite romantic us

569
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: written four Lavenders that Hurt and Parvety run a way together,

570
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: because I realized that not just Ben love, but I

571
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: love a love story. We have some more of our

572
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: discussion around Harry Potter, but first we have one quick

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574
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: I did want to go back to her money because

575
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to reading about feminism and Harry Potter,

576
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: it always comes up. As few do remember it didn't

577
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: get enough playtime on the movies. It wasn't in the

578
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: movies at all at all, and that it was very

579
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: sad about that. It was a very important part of

580
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: her It really was. Yeah, So for listeners who don't know,

581
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: this is the Society for Promotion of Elvish Welfare. She

582
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: starts fire in the fourth one except for Dobby one right,

583
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: which I do find really interesting because because you can say,

584
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: that's sort of like intersectional feminism at play. Um exactly right, right.

585
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: So I didn't know this, but it was based on

586
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Speaker 1: one of the first organizations for women in Britain calls

587
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Speaker 1: View Society for promoting the employment of women. I do

588
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: not know that this second bring in some new facts.

589
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: I try. I try. Another thing she does is she

590
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: starts Dumbledore's Army because something else that comes up a

591
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: lot is building community two tackle issues, and she is

592
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: the one often frequently spearheading these things and getting things done.

593
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: So I I feel like she doesn't in a lot

594
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: of ways encompass sort of where we are right now

595
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: with feminism, which is interesting. That's interesting. Yeah, And I

596
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: think you know, all we can act to people that

597
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: they learned um and she learned from you right, Like

598
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: it goes horribly. I mean, she does such a better

599
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: job as that as the founder of Jumbledore's Army of

600
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: like really scaffolding it um so that everybody feels like

601
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: a part of it, of getting you know, buy in

602
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: early on, of having here you'd be the teacher. Um.

603
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: She was a much better job organizing rather than preaching UM.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like as far as like teenage activism goes,

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00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: it's pretty great. She was like at the time she

606
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: was fifteen or sixteen, she's nailed at fifteen. Yeah, I

607
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Speaker 1: gret A Thurnberg. Yes, oh yeah, doesn't been really happy.

608
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that she just clutched her heart. I did.

609
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: I I had girls, they would have been clutched. Sorry.

610
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: Her mane one of the Year and level in the

611
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: Wizarding World. Um So, since in the interest of time,

612
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: I had all these characters written out, but because we're

613
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: kind of on a time crunch, are there are there moments?

614
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: Are characters that, as far as feminism goes, are your

615
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: favorite or are things that you really like to to

616
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: dig into your discuss Yeah, I think that, um, Jenny

617
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: has become a really interesting character to be thinking about

618
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: with the newtube movement happening. I you know, the first

619
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Speaker 1: three times I read the book, but I did not

620
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: read Jinny as like an assault victim, which obviously she

621
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: is the palm Liddle's diary and um and I just

622
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: think the most one of the most beautiful moments in

623
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: the whole series is when he when Jimmy concerned Perry

624
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: and says, I can't believe you can't come talk to me.

625
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: It's not like I have been possessed by Voldemort or anything,

626
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: and here goes, oh my god, I'm sorry I forgot,

627
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: and she says lucky you, and that lucky you just

628
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: holds the whole netwo movement to me of you know,

629
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Speaker 1: lucky society that they've gotten to turn away from this

630
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: lucky lucky Harvey Wine scene with the fact that yesterday

631
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Speaker 1: we found out he's not going to get any deal

632
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: time when he's not about to pay a dime of

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00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: the day and money. Um, and I think Jimmy is

634
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: just holding up a movement with that lucky you and um,

635
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: and Molly's love for James. You know, she's screens Jimmy

636
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: and Buck to know it's all caps at an exclamation

637
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 1: point and then obviously there's not my daughter, you bitch

638
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: moment um. And so I thinking Molly and Jenny have

639
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: a real bond that is, to a large extent obviously

640
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: the mother and daughter, but I also think to the

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00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: large extent is based in trauma and Jenny wanting to

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Speaker 1: be out the world in Molly's really wanting to protect

643
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: her um. And it's just it's a really beautifully rot

644
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: description and um, the situation that I think is all

645
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: be familiar. Yeah, um, that's that's a good moment. And

646
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: I also had forgotten that in the sixth one Ron

647
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of sledge shameser and you're gonna call me what

648
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: what I know? Oh my gosh, it's like say it,

649
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: do it. I dare you to do it, because well,

650
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, she could win, that's right. Um. And I

651
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: did want to touch on because I feel like a

652
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: lot of people forget about Lily Pottery and she, I mean,

653
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: her act of sacrifice and love in the beginning is

654
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: kind of the most powerful thing. That's kind of her

655
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: whole character overall, with Snap and all that. She is

656
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: just a compassionate individual who goes for the underdog. Yeah.

657
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: And you only have kind of the sanitized version of

658
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: what Harry knows because he's a narrator. But she did,

659
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: she does this thing, and that throughout the books is

660
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: the strong, powerful, kind of defining thing. Um. And I

661
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: have read a lot of fan fiction where they're like,

662
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: you know, really, she's the one that's powerful, the power,

663
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, not and people don't credit her right where

664
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: they should, right. Yeah, And we do a piece some

665
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: like memories of Snap, Um, she was willing to stand

666
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: up to him. We see that memory of Lily and Petunia,

667
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: Um fighting it, you know, pat for mine in three

668
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: quarters and really and trying to get Petunia on board.

669
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Speaker 1: Um with the fact that she's going to hazards. Right.

670
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: We see a lot of Lily and I think she

671
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: was pretty exceptional. And even if she wasn't, I think

672
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: the fact that she does. You know, I think the

673
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: James because a short end of the stick, because James

674
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: made the same sacrifice for both Harry and Lily's um.

675
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: But I love that this one active sacrifice to give

676
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: him so much meaning because I think it came. We

677
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: think once ACTI sacrifice can changed the courts of someone's life. Um.

678
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: And it's really beautiful. Yeah. Oh, I just remember reading

679
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: the seventh book as sobbing, sobbing. There's so many memories

680
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: in our face. I know we do have a little

681
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Speaker 1: bit more for listeners, but first we have one more

682
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Speaker 1: group break for work from our sponsor. We're back, so

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to come back to because you talked

684
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Speaker 1: about Jane Eyre being your favorite book, and I don't

685
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: hear I hear a few people talk about that, but

686
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't hear many people saying that as their favorite.

687
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: I love Jane Eyre because I love le Bronte Sisters.

688
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Because I also liked Weathering Heights. I know that's way

689
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: out there as well. Um, but what was it about

690
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: Jane Eyre that made you connect so heartily in us,

691
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: like almost a spiritual level with that book and the character?

692
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's such a good question. It's just such

693
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: a good It's just such a good book. So that Um,

694
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: obviously first time fourteen and I love a love story.

695
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure that I loved the love story.

696
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: And then it just meets be where you are, you know,

697
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: and I reread it, um as I was thinking about

698
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: going in divinity school. In Spinjon just became like the

699
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: most interesting character to me, how he tried to manipulate

700
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: her with religion, and then I, you know, I'd really

701
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: just fallen in love with so fad Um. She is

702
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: she brings down the whole house with her when she goes,

703
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: and I just love her for it. I love her

704
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: for her cardinality and that she isn't just gonna die.

705
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: She's done in this story, so she does, um, And

706
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: so I I just think that it is it is

707
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: like so complicated and layers and and I guess the

708
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: other thing I love about it is just how weird

709
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: it is it's like some weird mystical fairies and sprites

710
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: and true you know, lightning, hidden trees symbolically, and it's

711
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a delightful hot mess. Is honestly

712
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: great because it's like that and even weird are even

713
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: more so. Yeah, I think I just you know, doing

714
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: I read Weather in high school pertimen christeen Misiskina and

715
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: I didn't understand the words. And so now we're doing

716
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: a um Wathering Heights pilgrimage this Jean Severn in the

717
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: middle of setting up. Um, it's really interesting having been

718
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: to how Worth now where the Bronte personages, and that

719
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: town is really an Emily Bronte town. You go there

720
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: and talk about Charlotte and they're like, no, thank you,

721
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: we wan Yeah it was there for being air last

722
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: year and they were like, you're here for the long book. Um,

723
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: we're going back to this year with Wathering Types. I'll say,

724
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: you'll get the correct book and a little more welcoming. Huh.

725
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Maybe Bill has moved on to Anne, but I think, um, yeah,

726
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm really waited to spend some time with Weather and

727
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Type because of the next eight months of really diving

728
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: into it again. But you know, Jane is just simpler

729
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: and it's more straightforward. It's an eatier way in and

730
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: wuthering types. Jane. I remember being one of the first

731
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: books where they had the not so attractive girl being

732
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: the lead and the way they describe her. Yeah, absolutely,

733
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: she you know, you see yourself. She's a you're invited

734
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: to yourself into Jane. All right, I like this little

735
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: bonus Jane Eyre. What was caught up in those times?

736
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 1: Jane Austen Janey, I mean Jane Austen and the Bronte

737
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: Sisters two of my favorites. I'm old school that way,

738
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: really really old school. Apparently you should come on one

739
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: of our pilgrimages some time. Oh, we'll be there, Plan

740
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: number fifty something trips, Like anytime people invite us, I

741
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: hope they're serious. Oh no, I'm totally serious. You should

742
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yes, please, Well have a Bronte and

743
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Alright, alright, yeah, well we'll be in

744
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: we have to go that way, yes, yes, let's go.

745
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: Um and would you like to tell the listeners where

746
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: they can find you? Yep, Um, you can find us

747
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: wherever you're listening to this podcast right now. You can

748
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: find Harry Potter and the staked test or if you

749
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: are more and more a normal person, you can find

750
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: hot and buttered. And that brings us to the end

751
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: of this interview. Yes, it was so fun. We could

752
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: have kept going forever. And as you heard, we were

753
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: talking about doing that tour with I'm Janair and for

754
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: all the bronze stuff and um Jane Austin stuff. But

755
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, we should have talked about going on the

756
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: tour for Harry Potter stuff. Can we do that? Is

757
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: that thing? Can we do that? Oh? Yeah, okay, Oh

758
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: my gosh. You can go visit the studio in London

759
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: and making of Harry Potter and it's so I've been

760
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: to the theme parks. That thing in London is my

761
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: favorite thing. I went to the train station train stuff.

762
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: I went there when I would visit my friend in London.

763
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: She took me there. She's like, here it is and

764
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, people waiting inline, I'm not doing that.

765
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Well talk about the power of Harry Potter. That's not

766
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: even they built that because you can't actually get to

767
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: the ruin. But so many tours were jumping over the

768
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: trains and well, not jumping over trains, but they were

769
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: they were taking away to it, right, so they built

770
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: a fake one makes it's just come over here, stay

771
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: away from they don't go near the train tracks. Okay.

772
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: UM really quickly didn't want to touch on some characters

773
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: because I know we didn't. There's so many that we

774
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: could have talked about. One a fan favorite is Luna

775
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Um And one of my favorite things about Luna is

776
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: the relationship between her and Harry because it's platonic and

777
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: I love when she says he invites her to the

778
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: slug club, the slug ball, right, and she says, oh, people,

779
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: well think for our friends, and Harry says so earnestly,

780
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: you are my friend, right, And it's just nice. I

781
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: feel like we don't get that kind of relationship. Even

782
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: though we didn't have a lot of screen time. We

783
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: don't see that a lot. He's never judging her for

784
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: and she's just going to be herself and that's fine. Well.

785
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: I love the Luna and what's his name? The other one,

786
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: the one that could have been Harry Neville Neville. I

787
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: love that Luna and Neville are such good friends in

788
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: the movie. They do a little more in the movie

789
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: than they in the book, will you try to kind

790
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: of protect each other? Almost it was super sweet, super cute. Yeah,

791
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: the oddball is oddballs together. Yes, speaking of oddball Tonks,

792
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: she's a pretty big I love that she's somehow both

793
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: really clumsy but really good at her job because I

794
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: feel I can connect. And I think if they don't

795
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: play enough about her being a part of that the

796
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: Beltricks and um, all of their family, I think that's

797
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: important that they kind of kind of escape over. Yeah

798
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: in the movie for sure, for sure, that kind of

799
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: barely mentioned it. And then even in the book that

800
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: kind of bypass it to being her in love with

801
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: Lupin Yes, yeah, um. And then there's Professor McGonagall of course,

802
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: super tough. I love I love her stuff in the

803
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: last book when she's defending Harry, I love it like

804
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: it doesn't and it doesn't show it in the movie.

805
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: But I love that scene where she's going up against

806
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: the two twins. Yeah, that is a great scene. I

807
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to touch on floor day Lacre too, because

808
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: she's really interesting from where she starts, as you happy,

809
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: the and that is all about looks, although people forget

810
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: they're also extremely dangerous. Well, the whole Uh, school, it's

811
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: just all female. Yeah, and I feel like that's not

812
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: mentioned enough. And the strength between them themselves. It's kind

813
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: of like downplayed, I feel like, because it's based on

814
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: looks and how deceptive they can be in or you know, tricksie.

815
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: What does Mr Weasley say? He says, he says something

816
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: like sea boys, this is why you don't go for

817
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: looks alone. Uh. And she is the unfortunately, the worst competitor,

818
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: I would say in the Gobblet of Fire. But he's

819
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: the most help as seems. Yes, um, but she did

820
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: go on to become a pretty central and powerful character.

821
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: And let's not to say she wasn't powerful then, it's

822
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: just the way she was portrayed, and especially in comparison

823
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: with all the other champions, she did come out looking

824
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: like the weakest one. And then villains we have to

825
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: talk about umbradge. Oh, talk about problematic white woman. She

826
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: that's the angriest I ever got. I had to close

827
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Speaker 1: order the Phoenix the fifth one after she banned him

828
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: from quidditch. I don't even care about quidditch. I was

829
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: just so mad at the injustice of it. Oh, she's infuriating,

830
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: But I do think having a female villallin like that.

831
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: It just added so much. I mean clearly, I think

832
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people would say she was the least like,

833
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: the most hated character, and that's that's a testament to

834
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: oh gosh, the writing, but also the actress. She was

835
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: exactly that character. She was everything and embodied that character

836
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: to the full. Yeah, she's famous English actress, Amelda Staunton Stanton.

837
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: And just having that wide cast of here all these heroes,

838
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: strong female heroes, but also here are some villains, Belatrick's

839
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: being one. She is extremely powerful. I think people forget

840
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: at one point she's dueling Luna, Jenny and her mindy.

841
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: I think she's doing three people at once. She was powerful,

842
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: and she's often put in contrast of Lily represents love

843
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: and pure love and she represents just ambition and hate,

844
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: like they're the opposite side. She does, she does um

845
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 1: and she was. She was really frightening character I found. Yeah.

846
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: And then there's Petunia and Narcissa, who I do find

847
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: interesting because even if you probably classify them as villains,

848
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: that the mother part of their characters and them going

849
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: to protect out of their way to protect their children,

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Speaker 1: which is very much of a theme through all of it.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Molly Wheeley or Lily, all of them is

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Speaker 1: they're doing something for in the name of their children. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's one thing I know. Some of the criticism

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Speaker 1: I read of characters like that and Molly Weasley is

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Speaker 1: you're putting them in these gender stereotypes. The mom and

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Speaker 1: then in response j K Rolling, especially to to Molly Weasley,

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Speaker 1: she says, Um, the moment when Molly kills Belichick. She

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Speaker 1: that because a woman had dedicated herself to her family

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Speaker 1: does not mean that she doesn't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: other talents. Yes, and um, one thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: close out with because I do generally try to separate

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Speaker 1: actors from their characters. Um. But Emma Watson is such

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Speaker 1: feeling extremely jealous that she had been cast. And she

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to look it up, she said. When

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Speaker 1: asked about her money, she said, I hate her. I

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Speaker 1: and she thought her mind, he just wasn't wasn't cool.

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Speaker 1: But then she went out as she grew up. As

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Speaker 1: Emma Watson grew up, she grew to love her money

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Speaker 1: and loved all those things about her that she was

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Speaker 1: a warrior and she was smart. And I just I

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Speaker 1: feel like a lot of us go through that where

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Speaker 1: we hate the adolescence. We were awkward children and we

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Speaker 1: hate everything about ourselves. Yes, um, and then now she's

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Speaker 1: a feminist activist and she's the voice of U n's

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Speaker 1: he for she. She was appointed as the UN Women

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Speaker 1: Goodwill Ambassador in July. She did she got good recommendations

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Speaker 1: on their SOI but a Google search of is Emma

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Speaker 1: Watson too pretty to play her money? Turns up almost

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Speaker 1: half a million results. You would never ever see that

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Speaker 1: with any of the male actors. Is Danny Radcliff, who

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Speaker 1: hands to play Harry Potter. That would not happen. No,

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Speaker 1: But I think they did question his height. They did

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Speaker 1: as a separate episode. They also questioned his eyebrows. I

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Speaker 1: said they were too feminine. Look, we're we're unpacking a

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Speaker 1: come back to. Yeah, so clearly we we blew through those.

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Speaker 1: I could talk about this forever, but we'll have to

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Speaker 1: end it here today. Definitely, go check out Vanessa's podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Go go find her on the social media's Women Who Knows,

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Speaker 1: Harry Potter and Like a Text and Hutton Bothered, which

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Speaker 1: I just love that. Yes, And if you would like

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